May 09, 2006

You Make the Call

Radical Islamic Cleric Abu Qatada is arguing in a British deportation hearing that sending him back to Jordan to face his sentence there is against British law because he could be executed in Jordan. Jordan has agreed not to execute him. The British Government is arguing that Qatada is a security risk. You think?

BBC : A radical Islamic cleric who has been accused of being a leading figure in al-Qaeda was a risk to UK security, a deportation hearing has been told.

Ian Burnett QC, for the home secretary, told the London hearing: "The entirety of the evidence in this case supports the conclusion that the appellant is a danger to national security when everything known about him is assessed."
The UK has signed an agreement with Jordan that anyone sent back there will not be tortured or killed.

Abu Qatada's Abu Qatada's lawyer is expected to argue that the guarantee is inadequate.

This concern for his well being is misplaced. Our enemy takes advantage of protections they have no belief in. More on Qatada below the break.
CBC :
Qatada believes it is the duty of every Muslim to support the Islamic holy war. He also says the United States is the enemy.

Abu Qatada: "The role of mujahedeen is dictated by what the prophet said. Whoever fights to make the word of God supreme, then it is for the sake of God. Therefore, if the jihad is to make the word of God supreme, this is what we call Islamic jihad."

CBC's Terence McKenna: "Do you incite hatred against the U.S.?"

Qatada: "No doubt, if anybody asks me, 'Is the American, or are the Americans the enemy of our peoples?' my answer would be, 'Yes, they are the enemy.'"

CBC: "In 1998, Osama bin Laden issued this fatwa against the U.S. Did you agree with that fatwa?"

Qatada: "No doubt that my previous answer about promoting or inciting hatred towards America because of what they are doing to our peoples will explain that."

(When pressed on his finacial support for terrorist acts he admits it. Remember the Chechen terrorist massacre as Beslan?)

CBC: "Did any of this money go to support jihad activities in other countries?"

Qatada: "Yes. The answer is yes – like the Chechens for example."

As a leader of Islamic terror Qatada bears just as much responsibility as the terrorists who carry out his preaching. Who follows his preaching? How about Muhammad Atta.
When the police went to Atta's last-known apartment in Germany, they discovered 19 video cassettes of the teachings of Abu Qatada. Still, Qatada denies any responsibility for the September 11 attacks.

Abu Qatada is on the American government's list of most wanted terrorists. His name also appears on terrorist lists in France and in Canada. But not in Britain.

This is a problem terrorist hiding behind British Civil courts. These laws were meant to protect people. The fact that they are now protecting terrorists who seek to harm the British people is Ironic. Somewhere along the line protecting the enemy became more important than the protection of the people in Britain from enemies within.

Wikipedia information on Abu QatadaIn 1998, he was sentenced in Jordan in absentia for involvement in a series of explosions, including one in the car park of a hotel on April 30, 1998. In 1999, the Jordanian government held negotiations with the British Government for the extradition of Omar Abu Omar. The Jordanian Government believed that Omar had a connection to a group of 14 suspected terrorists. This discussion was seen by the British and Jordanian governments as a step in combating international terrorism.

In 1999, Abu Omar was accused of funding a group of 12 Jordanians, one Iraqi and an Algerian to attack the settlement of John the Baptist where Christians believe Jesus was baptized on the Jordan River.He only wants to kill Christians and tourists. Britain should declare him an enemy leader and if the civil courts wonÂ’t or canÂ’t do anything he should be placed in military custody. Give him to the US. IÂ’m sure we can find a nice place to keep him for a bit. If the terrorists are our enemy they must me treated as such. Such a simple idea.

Posted by: Howie at 09:25 AM | Comments (11) | Add Comment
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1 Hey put him on a military transport and fly him to Jordan, just give him a push out the back and let Allah guide him straight into the ground.

Posted by: memphis761 at May 09, 2006 10:06 AM (D3+20)

2 Europeans, so much more cultured and sophisticated than American's, we're often told -- but like the Cockroach, they refuse to run from the falling foot that defines it's extinction. As a British citizen, I can tell you -- If you don't stop the culture of PC here, America will be much like Europe, where employers are scared any comment made could be construed as sexist, racist or ageist, and self censor everything, or where people handwring over the "humane treatment" of those in society who would kill or main them -- they will invoke these rights for the perpetrator, without a thought for the victim, long in their grave. Drug users will be exalted as 'victims' , and every criminal act can be excused by looking at the criminals past : "Did your Mum not take you on vacation?", "Did your Dad hit you?", "Did you not have a lot of money?" where everyone is a victim of their upbringing, and not responsible for their own actions, guided into their destiny with no choices. It isn't fun, it's partly why I left.

Posted by: davec at May 09, 2006 10:50 AM (CcXvt)

3 Howie: "This concern for his well being is misplaced. Our enemy takes advantage or protections they have no belief in. More on Qatada below the break." This attitude is apparently nothing new. I turned this up last night reading about the Cawnpore massacre of 1857 in which "insurgents" under one Nana Sahib literally butchered 200 women and children and tossed the chunks in a well. The British Army went on a rampage over this. Here is some priceless commentary on the fallout. Try to keep in mind this was written by an Englishman in 1975… "…Havelock and Neill had been hanging right, left and centre from Allahabad north, and I daresay had disposed of quite a number of innocents—just as the [insurgents] at Meerut and Delhi had done." "What beats me is the way people take it to heart—what do they expect in war? It ain't conducted by missionaries, or chaps in Liberal clubs, snug and secure. But what amuses me most is the way fashionable views change—why, for years after Cawnpore, any vengeance wreaked on an Indian, mutineer or not, was regarded as just vengeance; nothing was too bad for 'em. Now it's t'other way round, with eminent writers crying shame, and saying nothing justified such terrible retribution as Neill took, and we were far guiltier than the [Indians] had been. Why? Because we were Christians, and supposed to know better?—and because England contains this great crowd of noisy know-alls that are forever defending our enemies' behavior and crying out in pious horror against our own. Why our own sins are always so much blacker, I can't fathom—as to Cawnpore, it don't seem to me one whit worse to slay in revenge, like Neill, than out of sheer spite and cruelty, like Nana; at least it's more understandable."

Posted by: ShannonKW at May 09, 2006 11:04 AM (dT1MB)

4 Soooo...if he's THAT big a threat to British security, why don't they just put him on trial? They must have some evidence on this guy, so get it done.

Posted by: Venom at May 09, 2006 11:56 AM (dbxVM)

5 Interesting, Shannon. Could have been written just yesterday about some in our country now. Was that 1975 or 1875? Of course two wrongs don't make a right, but by doing nothing you'll still have two wrongs.

Posted by: Oyster at May 09, 2006 12:59 PM (lMr74)

6 ... but, 3 rights make a left! sorry... I had some actual content but I got tired head thinking about how ridiculous this PC crap is...

Posted by: EricInTexas at May 09, 2006 01:43 PM (b96R4)

7 Eric, that's one of my favorite sayings. ;-)

Posted by: Oyster at May 09, 2006 03:36 PM (lMr74)

8 Oyster, This was written by George MacDonald Fraser in his novel "Flashman in the Great Game," published in 1975. The Flashman series follows a fictional character of the same name through real historical events, such as the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857. Although the main character never lived, the historical events and setting are so painstakingly researched that many critics--academics among them--have made fools of themselves by assuming they were true memoirs. There's a hidden irony here in that the quoted passage comes out of the mouth of Flashman himself. Flashman is an anti-hero, the antithesis of everything a Victorian British officer was supposed to be. He's depicted as a shameless liar, coward, cheat, drunkard, whoremonger, betrayer, etc., who nevertheless always comes out on top in the end. As evil as he is, he is the only one who can see the hypocricy behind the genteel pose of his countrymen. Good stuff, if you're shopping for a yarn.

Posted by: ShannonKW at May 09, 2006 03:40 PM (dT1MB)

9 I can't help but think, if you are under sentence of death in the country you fled FROM, perhaps you should not commit crimes advocating killing people in the country you fled TO. But then, Muslims are not known for their logical thought processes.

Posted by: attentionseeker at May 09, 2006 08:45 PM (ixLjz)

10 If he wants to look and live like a muslim in the western world then he should face muslim justice.

Posted by: Jester at May 09, 2006 09:13 PM (TuAMG)

11 Why do you these kooks they want Sharia law in their host countries? It absolves Muslim men of all guilt. If they are indeed guilty of something, then there's always the slap on the wrist and, "Shame on you, Abu. Now go home and be good," or "What? An evil woman drove you to it? Well, by Allah, we'll just have her stoned. Oh, you killed her already? Well, I'm sure she deserved it."

Posted by: Oyster at May 10, 2006 05:01 AM (YudAC)

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