April 28, 2006
Senior Al Qaeda Leader Killed
(Baghdad) I admit
my addiction to this type of news. Keep 'em coming.
From Reuters.com:
Iraqi and U.S. forces have killed a senior member of al Qaeda in Iraq, Interior Ministry sources and the U.S. military said on Friday.
Humadi al-Takhi, who they said was a district commander of the group, was killed in a raid on a house on Friday about 10 km (6 miles) northeast of the city of Samarra, 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad.
Samarra is a stronghold for Sunni Arab miscreants, the city where a Shi'ite shrine was
attacked in February. Intelligence reports led to the raid in which Humadi al-Takhi and two other thug terrorists were killed. According to Reuters, the news hasn't been independently verified. It appears that someone wants to see the body.
This latest success follows yesterday's news of the Iraqi Forces' capture of Abdul Khadir Makhol, senior leader of al Qaeda in the Tikrit region.
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step over their bodies and move on to the next target - what else can ya' do but I doubt there will be any free beer for the grunts that took this terr down
Posted by: goesh at April 28, 2006 11:45 AM (vX0fY)
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Probably finding out about now what being a minute man gets you for the next eternity of so.
Posted by: Brad at April 28, 2006 12:13 PM (3OPZt)
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Man, the leftards just can't catch a break these days.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 28, 2006 04:23 PM (0yYS2)
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Good deal, never let up.
Posted by: Howie at April 28, 2006 08:11 PM (D3+20)
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You guys are the 56452 best, thanks so much for the help.
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April 26, 2006
Fighting the Media Jihad
Still think killing terrorists is all it will take to win this thing? Think again.
Newswise:
Jihadis place a great deal of emphasis on developing comprehensive public relations and communication strategies to aid their side in the media war.
What an incredible smell you've discovered! You think maybe the terrorists media allies would be limited to the
Arab News (the official organ of the house of Saud) and
al Jazeera, but you'd be wrong. Try the two biggies as well: the AP and Reuters, both of which are great at spinning things exactly as the Islamists plan.
“Their strategies are crafted after careful audience analysis and message adaptation, two of the most fundamental rules underlying any communication or public relations campaign,” write the authors of a report released this week titled: “Communication and Media Strategy in the Jihadi War of Ideas.” ...
Professor Steven Corman, who co-authored the report with graduate student Jill Schiefelbein, says that in his experience “people are surprised the jihadis think of media as a weapon.”
Yeah, a lot of people are surprised. None of you, my dear paduan readers, but
people. You know, retards and the like.
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>>>“people are surprised the jihadis think of media as a weapon.”
I remember one Libtard actually told me I was stupid if I thought terrorists are reading our newspapers to see how we react.
Morons, all of them.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 26, 2006 12:42 PM (paKD6)
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Is it a case of good news not selling? Are our own people so greedy and jaded that they would deliberately undermine our soldiers just for ratings? Dear Lord, what have we come to.
Posted by: Brenda Bowers at April 26, 2006 02:19 PM (Ev3GI)
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Not just for ratings Brenda, but also to further the effort to attain their ultimate goals of a one-world socialist government, i.e., the UN. Ever notice how liberals, the UN, socialist dictatorships, and islamic terrorists all have one common enemy?
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April 25, 2006
Senior Terrorist Captured in Philippines
(Manila) Good news! Filipino authorities made a major arrest yesterday. Abu Sayyaf member Sharie Amiruddin, aka Abu Omar, is linked to al-Qaeda and the southeast Asian terrorist network, Jemaah Islamiah.
From ABS-CBNNews.com:
The military arrested a suspected Abu Sayyaf member linked to kidnappings and bombings that has killed Americans and Filipinos since 2000, an Army spokesman said Tuesday.
Maj. Bartolome Bacarro said soldiers seized Sharie Amiruddin, a suspected member of the Abu Sayyaf group, on Monday in Zamboanga City.
"He was the planner of the Dos Palmas kidnapping," Bacarro told reporters, adding Amiruddin was also blamed for bomb attacks in three Mindanao cities in 2002.
As a reminder, the
Dos Palmas kidnappings occurred on Palawan Island (
map) in 2001 and involved 20 people, including three Americans of which one, Guillermo Sobero, was beheaded. During a rescue mission in 2002, another American, Martin Burnham, was killed and his wife, Gracia, was wounded. They were Christian missionaries. The other hostages were Filipino tourists.
It's worth noting that the Philippine government appears to be quite determined and aggressive in its pursuit of terrorist cells and criminals in the country.
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"It's worth noting that the Philippine government appears to be quite determined and aggressive in its pursuit of terrorist cells and criminals in the country."
Nope, not even close. If the police or military stumble on a terrorist, they will arrest him if there is no risk of reprisals. They do not seek out Abu Sayyaf or New People's Army members, period. Everyone knows who they are in my podunk city in Mindanao, and they are left alone. Live and let live, don't bother my gang and I won't make too much trouble.
True Fact (tm)
Posted by: Chris At Home at April 25, 2006 05:40 PM (5ve1C)
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At least their on their toes good work i say
Posted by: sandpiper at April 26, 2006 07:18 AM (zj1n9)
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Another hero of the leftards goes down.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 26, 2006 07:44 AM (0yYS2)
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Chris,
I can not agree or disagree wholeheartedly with you. I do think Malacanang is pushing against the the dual threats of the NPA and Abu Sayyaf, but PGMA is politically weak and there is corruption (neither of which I have to tell you about). A couple of months ago there were major clashes between the AFP and the NPA up in Pampangas and of course there is the Baliktan exercises which target Abu Sayyaf.
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April 24, 2006
Islamic Extremists Love XXX Porn
So how does a pious Islamic terrorist pass the time? He watches hardcore porn. At least one of two Islamic terrorist planning attack on the US from Canada does. Funny in public these guys call for all women to be covered completely and say that sexual immorality is a huge threat to Islamic nations. Of course it is and the terrorists despite their rhetoric are the ones packing it around and spreading it.
Hypocrites!
The Star dot com :Two Georgia men met in Toronto with Islamic extremists to discuss potential terror strikes in the United States, including attacks on oil refineries and military bases, according to U.S. court documents unsealed yesterday.
The documents say the pair met with at least three people, who are under international surveillance, to plot ways to disable the Global Positioning System which would disrupt military and commercial communications and air traffic. They also discussed a trip to Pakistan to receive military training at a terrorist-sponsored camp.
FBI agent Michael Scherk, a member of the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Atlanta, says in a sworn affidavit 19-year-old Eshanul Islam Sadequee of Roswell, Ga., and Syed Haris Ahmed, 21, of Atlanta, made the trip to Toronto in March 2005.
Ahmed has been charged with suspicion of giving material support of terrorism and is being held at an undisclosed location. He pleaded not guilty during a brief court appearance Wednesday in Georgia.
Sadequee is accused of making materially false statements in connection with a terrorist investigation, and he was arrested in Bangladesh, where he told the FBI that he had gone to get married.
I wonder if his new fine pious Islamic bride approves of the porn?
The U.S. Attorney in Georgia, David Nahmias, said in a statement that the charge against Ahmed is "serious and involves national security.''
U.S. Justice Department officials, however, said there was no immediate threat to any strategic U.S. targets.
According to the court document, Sadequee and Ahmed travelled to Toronto from Atlanta on a Greyhound bus, leaving March 6, 2005, and crossed the border back to the United States on March 12.
Sadequee is accused of lying to federal agents when he was detained at New York's Kennedy airport in August 2005, saying he had travelled to Canada in January of that year, staying with an aunt he identified as "Manju Auntie,'' but being unable to name her husband.
I always forget my Uncles name donÂ’t you? I've only known him my entire life. Now, on to the porn!
FBI agents confiscated computer hard drives and data CDs from their home last month.
Federal agents conducted a search of Sadequee's bags before he left for Bangladesh and found two CD-ROMS concealed in the lining of a suitcase.
One CD contained encrypted files that FBI technical experts still cannot decode, the affidavit said, while the other CD contained a bootleg copy of a hard-core pornographic movie.
You nasty, nasty boys.
They are also disillusioned in many cases, he (The U.S. Attorney in Georgia, David Nahmias) said, and sometimes take up Islam "in the radical form."
"I do believe that when the time comes, a number of these people will attempt to do something quite serious."
I donÂ’t doubt that! After all their minds are all twisted by the Koran and porn.
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Regarding the porn; We obviously can't rule out that this jihadi loves his hardcore porn however let us consider steganography, which is the art and science of 'hiding' data within the image bitstream.
There may be more here than meets the eye, so to speak.
See "Steganography Revealed", Kristy Westphal 2003-04-09
http://www.s e c u r i t y f o c u s.com/infocus/1684
^^Remove the blank spaces^^
Posted by: Tempest at April 24, 2006 11:04 AM (ERZoW)
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A CD bootleg of hardcore porn?
really, is there any other kind?
Posted by: the other dave at April 24, 2006 05:00 PM (o03mE)
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Yes, there are DVD bootlegs too....
Posted by: Samuel at April 24, 2006 06:12 PM (f8Tj4)
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... and don't get me started on thumb drives!
Posted by: Samuel at April 24, 2006 06:16 PM (f8Tj4)
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They will surely get more jail time for the bootleg video then for plotting to destroy the US. Then again, you would get more jail time for swinging a dead cat than plotting to destroy the US.
Posted by: UncleJoe at April 25, 2006 06:25 AM (+WfUD)
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Gee Uncle Joe, maybe you should check out Gitmo.
Posted by: Rudi at April 25, 2006 10:19 AM (IcVLe)
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Uncle Joe is absolutely right. We let these guys get off way to easy, sometimes must deporting them. And most times the US doesn't even 'call' them terrorists, which they are.
Tempest is also correct. Porn is often used to hide messages, information, orders, or any kind of information. Most people don't even give it a second thought. (Maybe a second look, ha)
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April 22, 2006
WaPo Editor Offers Idiotic Defense For Treason
While Dana Priest, the
Washington Post post reporter at the center of the Mary O. McCarthy CIA leak scandal
refused to comment to her own newspaper about the story, one of the
Post's executive editors offered this remarkably obtuse
excuse for McCarthy's partisan:
Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr. said people who provide citizens the information they need to hold their government accountable should not "come to harm for that."
Now, think about that. Downie is actually advocating trying to run a government in which not a single bit of data can reasonably be expected to remain confidential. Downie doesn't explain what disclosures match his criteria for "holding their government accountable". Evidently, those determinations are up to any of the hundreds of thousands of government employees who are privy to classified information.
Presumably, based on the WaPo's history, any revelation that can be used to damage a Republican administration is "sharing information" and holding the government accountable. Revelations that damage Democratic politicians or support Republicans are "leaks" that are betrayals of public trust.
Are you a CIA officer pissed off because the candidate you donated $2000 to lost the Presidential election? Disregard your oath, your secrecy agreement, and the law, and hold the government accountable by leaking classified information! Leonard Downie Jr. has given his okay.
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This poor excuse for an American is guilty of treason.
They should be swiftly put to death for all the public to witness. Also every member of their family must also be executed including all children so that no future traitors can harm our great nation again.
Posted by: Unashamed Patriot at April 22, 2006 01:27 PM (y+196)
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Both the White House and the MSM admit that they talked about this over a year ago. Why has it taken so long to get the first of the fifth columnists? Why has no one been arrested and charged yet?!@#%?! It seems Alberto and Porter are not up to the job! Do any of Bush's folk want to win the War on Terror or is it all doubletalk?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at April 22, 2006 01:30 PM (YT0Dl)
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The morality of leaking information is completely dependent on what that information
is. While it would be completely moral (in fact, morally required) to leak actual bad things - such as, say, holding US citizens without charges for months or years at a time (I say this as an example of what would be bad enough to report, not as an accusation.)
To liberals, however, it is permissable to leak anything that would harm Bushco, as it would help the liberals get back into power. "The ends justify the means" has been a longstanding leftist rationalization from everything from theivery to outright terrorism. This is just another example of that principle coming to the fore.
Posted by: MiB at April 22, 2006 02:45 PM (GtZpY)
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It's not $2,000. It's close to $10,000.
She (and her husband) are pretty generous with their money. I wonder it they are equally generous to real charities too!
Posted by: Fred Fry at April 22, 2006 03:46 PM (HJnrm)
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Does anyone find it funny now that the story is apparenlty false -- there weren's any secret prisons?
Most excellent sting operation.
Posted by: bill at April 22, 2006 04:37 PM (7evkT)
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Unashamed:
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
-Article 3 section 3
We don't do "sins of the father(/mother)" crap. That's more of a muslim thing.
Posted by: MegaTroopX at April 22, 2006 06:04 PM (yT/Rw)
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I've a sneaky suspicion that
Unashamed Patriot and
Victory for the USA are one and the same.
Posted by: Oyster at April 23, 2006 05:41 AM (YudAC)
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These rotten liberal left-wing journalists would offer any excuses ever for BENIDICT ARNOLD
Posted by: sandpiper at April 23, 2006 01:32 PM (gJhPg)
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I heard that John Kerry came to her defense as well. Interesting, considering his own meetings in Paris.
This country has the intelligence community the party in control for several decades wanted and fomented; under Clinton it was emaciated and flogged to perfect ineffectivness and then blamed for its own dysfunction. If you have ever watched the remake of The Three Musketeers with Kiefer Sutherland, you're tracking this...
I personally think all this manipulation of the intelligence community and the immigration has not be stupidity, but sly like a fox from the inside. Its all been a set-up to destabilize and make us vulnerable, seductively, over time with acquiesence to fall asleep. Why else would every initiative under Clinton be labeled as totalitarian?
Fired for compromises my ass, it should be considered to prosecutive merit by the AUSA and prosecuted. The media in this country loves to publish crap and has the audacity to call it classified or secret in its reporting. Nothing like saving the adversary millions of dollars to try and defeat the secret, eh? But that isn't treason?
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April 21, 2006
Student Indicted in Terror Plot

(Atlanta, Georgia) A 21-year-old mechanical engineering student at Georgia Tech, Syed Ahmed, was arrested last month by FBI agents on charges related to terrorism.
From 11Alive.com:
"Mr. Ahmed knowingly and unlawfully attempted to provide, conspired to provide materials, support, and resources, knowing the materials, support and resources were going to be used in the preparation for and the carrying out of two other federal terrorism laws," said U.S. Attorney David Nahmias.
Ahmed's family suspects a videotape of their son made of a building is what made authorities suspicious but FBI agents will not confirm that. The family reportedly allowed federal agents to take computer information from their son's room.
"Yesterday, Mr. Ahmed appeared in court for his initial appearance and arraignment in front of Judge Feldman," said Nahmias. "He entered a plea of not guilty and is presumed not guilty until the government proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."
Ahmed's family came from Pakistan in 1997 and became U.S. citizens. Syed is
reported to have become increasingly involved with Islam and allegedly attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan last year. If he's guilty, it seems
obvious to me that Ahmed was recruited through a mosque in the U.S.
Ahmed was taken into custody and ordered held until trial. No date has been set.
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Just another disgruntled yute.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 21, 2006 11:50 AM (8e/V4)
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That's the moon god worshipper I was writing about. Another POS in this country.
Thanks for posting this fine example of the religion of peace.
ROPMA
P.S. Any of you false god worshipping A-holes out there, (CAIR), want to make peace, I will cook up some pork stew. You folks are all welcome at the peace table. I will even say grace to Jesus who died for everyone's sins.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 21, 2006 01:36 PM (D2g/j)
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How in the world do these people immigrate to our country and become citizens so quickly? Were they covered by one of Clinton's amnesties, or can you become a citizen that quickly?
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 21, 2006 08:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Don't you only need to be a resident for five years to apply for citizenship? I believe it is that way up here in Canada.
Posted by: LC CanForce 101 at April 21, 2006 10:03 PM (3smJS)
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To get fast-track citizenship, one must be a turd-world piece of shit, Euroleftard, or muslim. My friends from Russia have been waiting for over a decade now, with no word. I told them they should change their names and fly to a town in northern Mexico, sneak across the border, get caught, and voila!, citizenship. Our government sucks and should be thrown out part and parcel, and all the bums hanged on the capitol steps.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 22, 2006 05:11 AM (0yYS2)
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IM--take your medication, and step away from the keyboard...
Posted by: jd at April 23, 2006 09:24 AM (uT71O)
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49865
Wonder what the DHS is up to not arresting all those morons?
Posted by: Andre at April 23, 2006 11:21 AM (/u+1F)
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JD, if you think that one word you write is going to have any effect on me, or anyone else here, other than boredom, you're wrong, just like about everything else. You're an idiot liberal who supports terrorism by undermining the war efforts, and you don't even deserve a new rope.
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April 17, 2006
Sami Al-Arian Pleads Guilty
University of South Florida professor Sami al-Arian, who became a
cause célèbre to the ACLU crowd, has admitted to being involved with Palestinian Islamic Jihad (the group responsible for
this outrage), and, as a bonus, turned snitch on his co-defendants.
From Yahoo! News:
WASHINGTON, April 17 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Former University of South Florida Professor Sami Al-Arian has pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiring to provide services to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), a specially designated terrorist organization, in violation of U.S. law, the Department of Justice announced today.
In the plea agreement, Al-Arian admits that he was associated with several organizations, including the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, in the late 1980s and early to mid-1990s. He also admits that co-defendants Ramadan Abdullah Shallah, Bashir Musa Mohammed Nafi and Mazen Al-Najjar were associated with PIJ.
Al-Arian's agreement with the government calls for a recommended prison sentence of 46 to 57 months in prison, based on a five-year maximum statutory sentence. Al-Arian, 48, who has been in custody since his arrest on Feb. 20, 2003, has agreed to stipulate to deportation to another country by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement once his prison sentence has ended. Al- Arian has lived in this country for approximately 30 years.
This bastard should be deported to Hell.
Via Stop the ACLU.
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Send him back to the hell hole from whence he came.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 18, 2006 12:15 AM (8e/V4)
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So he copped to the crime eh?
Freedom fighter my ass!
Posted by: mrclark at April 18, 2006 06:22 AM (IMrft)
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VHzNzv,
you should channel that anger by learning some proper hacking skills instead of this piddly spamming.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 18, 2006 09:01 AM (8e/V4)
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Looks like the "Waaaaaa!" factor has been on the rise lately from the looks of all the spam here.
I always enjoy analyzing the psychology of spammers like these.
I hope they equally enjoy being the equilvalent of a bug stuckthrough by a pin under a microscope....because that's what they've effectively become.
cheers.
Posted by: mrclark at April 18, 2006 09:03 AM (S76hi)
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Another chance to show off my primary school math skills. Al-Arian has been in jail for 38 months. So without any time off for good behavior he is looking at another perhaps 9 months. With time off for good behavior he will be out in less, perhaps another 2 months. This is looking like "if you say you are guilty we will let you out of jail" type of plea.
Posted by: john Ryan at April 18, 2006 10:47 AM (TcoRJ)
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And on the 93145th day God rested.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 11:11 AM (FCC6c)
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Let's hope he doesn't get time served and his sentence commences on his day of sentencing.
Posted by: Oyster at April 18, 2006 11:23 AM (frGxu)
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john Ryan, is that why he rolled over on his buddies? Not a very good deal, he gets on the jihadi hit list for squealing, plus he gets deported. Another sad day for the Left.
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>>>Another sad day for the Left.
Lol! Yup. So sad though that the Left's hatred of "Bush" and Israel has pushed them into the bed of jihadists.
On the day the Right declares war on Hell, guess whose side the Left will take.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 18, 2006 11:34 AM (8e/V4)
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Ol' Sami was pretty arrogant early on. I saw him interviewed a couple years ago when he was first outted. I think it was the Fox News guy who was trying to put the screws to him. Sami was blathering about his "rights" and how he wasn't worried about being caught supporting terrorism. He was basically laughing it off. I guess he changed his fckin tune, huh?
Posted by: Richard at April 18, 2006 01:51 PM (U+YqD)
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CAIR should be sending a shout out for their boy Al-Arian whom they supported not long ago during a trial in Florida. We have to many terrorists in this country stateing they are part of a religion of peace. A few are in Lodi, CA.
CAIR, CAA, Ca, CAIR, that is the sound of me throwing up.
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 18, 2006 05:42 PM (D2g/j)
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Bye-bye, Sami. And good riddance.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 18, 2006 05:48 PM (rUyw4)
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It takes me sooooooooo long to read through all that skullduggery!
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 09:41 PM (FCC6c)
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April 11, 2006
Islamists Post Hit List of 'Apostates'
An Egyptian group calling itself the "al-JamaÂ’ah Consultative Council" has sent an e-mail hit list to people deemed 'apostates' yesterday. The group warned that those people on the list who had left the faith would have three days (as of yesterday) to repent or they would be killed. The group also warned that the wives and children of the Muslim apostates were being followed & would be killed.
Under Islamic Law, the maximum penalty for apostasy is death.
The list includes prominent Muslims living in the West who have spoken out against violent Islamic extremism and intolerance, some still living in Muslim countries, as well as Coptic Christians who have advocated equal treatment in Egypt.
According to Copts-United (hat tip: Clarity and Resolve) the group issued the following threat if the 'apostates' did not publicly repent:
we will follow them everywhere they go and at anytime; and they can never be far from the swords of truth, and they are closer to us that our shoelaces.
They are monitored day and night. We are fully aware of their hiding places, their houses, their childrenÂ’s schools, and the times when their wives are alone at home.
We gave our rules to the soldiers of God to execute the rule of God so that their blood can become close to God [to kill them] and burn their houses.
And we thank God that many of those infidels and atheists do not exist in the land of Islam, so that they do not defile the Islamic land with their rotten blood. They are in the land of infidelity, the land of idols, pagans, and Cross worshippers: in America, Canada, Switzerland, and Italy.
If they existed on a spot in the Islamic land, let us wash the places of their slaughter and beheading seven times to purify the Islamic land of the impurity of their blood. And let us captivate their women and enslave their children loot them. Let us apply the Islamic rule to them; and whoever kills one of them, will get his loot.
The fatwa was signed by Abu Dhur Al-Maqdishi, media commander in Al-JamaÂ’ah.
The list includes:
Wafa Sultan -- American Muslim psychologist who has spoken out against jihad, the silence of mainstream Muslims over terrorism, and the treatment of women in Islam. Sultan lives in the Los Angeles area.
Ahmad Subhi Mansur (Mansour)--a liberal Egyptian theologian condemned as an 'apostate' because he accepts only the Quran as authentic and rejects the sunnas. Mansur argues in his book "The Punishment of Apostasy" (out of print) that religious liberty is fundamental to Islam. Mansur's wife and children are also specifically threatened. Mansur live in the Virginia.
Adly Abadir -- Egyptian born Christian Coptic priest, exiled from Egypt and now living in Switzerland. Abadir is an outspoken advocate against the subjegation of Christians in Egypt and has testified before the U.S. Congress on the plight of Coptic minorities living under the thumb of Muslims.
Jamal Al-Banna-- moderate Egyptian theologian & brother of the founder of the Muslim Bortherhood who publicly disputes traditional Islamic teachings about the treatment of women & jihad, but like most Muslims justifies aggressiona against Jews. Al-Banna is probably under condemnation for his firm stance against dhimmitude and for freedom of religion and for his creation of the "Committee for the Defense of Victims of Terror-Fatwas"
Majdi Khalil-- American Muslim who has spoken out against terrorism and those that justify it in the Islamic world.
Hasan Ahmad Umar-- former President of the Egyptian Court of Appeals.
Muhammad ShaÂ’lan--- possibly the same Dr. Muhammed Sha'lan who is a professor of psychology at the oldest and most prestigious Islamic universty in the world, al Azhar.
Father Zakarias Butros-- Coptic priest living in Holland who runs a website devoted to standing up for Christians in Egypt, against attrocities committed by Muslims against Christians, and which invites Muslims to engage in dialogue.
SaÂ’d Al-Din Ibrahim-- liberal Egyptian human rights activist , board member of the Ibn Khaldun Center, and Professor of Sociology at the American University in Cairo. Ibrahim is a leading human rights activists who was arrested by the Egyptian government in 2000 to the applause of Islamists around the world. He is accused by Islamists of being a 'Zionist'.
Salah Muhsin--Egyptian who has spoken out against the Muslim Brotherhood.
Dr. Shakir Al-Nabulsi -- a Jordanian born liberal Muslim, chairman of the American Academic Association in Jordan, and co-signer of an anti-Islamist petition to the U.N calling for an end to the preaching of violence against apostates. Nabulsi now lives in Denver.
Al-Afif al-Akhdar--72 year old Tunisian born French secular Muslim. The Tunisian Islamic movement Al-Nahdha, issued a death fatwa against the him for his book "The Unknown in the Prophet's Life". In addition to exposing the hypocrisy of Muslims on terrorism, Akhdar has also been at the forefront of exposing the political motivations behind Muslim regimes using the Danish Mohammed cartoons to drum up anti-Western sentiment. More on Akhdar here.
Unknown targets-- if you know who these individuals are, please warn them that they may be the target of Muslim extremists!
America -- Nidal NaÂ’isah, Fatin Nur
Canada-- Uthman Muhammad Ali & his family.
Holland-- Nahid Mitwali
Italy--Khalid Hilal
Jordan--Umar Abu Rassa, Ramadan Abd AlRahman Ali
Syria--Samir Hasan Ibrahim
Egypt--Abd al Fattah Asakir, Muhammad Shibl, Muhammad Said al Mushtahari, Abd al-Latif SaÂ’id, Ayman Muhammad Abd Al Rahman, Walid Muhammad Abd al-Rahman, Taha Hilal, Isam Nafi, Ahmad ShaÂ’ban, Amru Ismail, Abd-Al-Karim Sulayman
If you know any of the above individuals, they should be immediately warned. We hope that law enforcement officials are already aware of the danger posed to these people and pray for their safety.
UPDATE: Patrick from Clarity and Resolve in an e-mail points me to this story. Apparently, the threat was e-mailed directly to those who have been targetted, so I was wrong when I earlier stated that the threat had been posted on the internet.
Asharq Alawsat:
Dr. Wafa Sultan, who lives in California , pointed out that the source of the latest threat differed from the dozens she had previously received because it was made by a group and not an individual. She expressed fear for her life as the message included personal information about the recipients, as well as the names of some of their spouses and children. Sultan vowed to inform the U.S authorities of the email and seek their protection.
For his part, Dr, Shakir Nabulsi, a resident of Denver, Colorado, said he was not afraid of the threat as he had received several others before and refused to be frightened by terrorists.
Refusing to bow to the demands of terrorists, Dr. Ahmad Subhi Mansour, who lives I Virginia, said he would take the threat seriously and indicated the message was probably originated in Egypt .
The Islamic thinker Jamal al Banna, brother of the Hssan al Banna, the founder of the Muslim Bortherhood, denied any knowledge of the organization calling itself “Supporters of God’s Messenger”, which included his name in a list of 31 supporters. He described its threat as “nonsense” and said the authors were “Satan’s soldiers”.
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beheading seven times
that seems a trifle enthusiastic...
Posted by: jonathan riley at April 11, 2006 07:19 PM (jADvF)
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Such a peaceful religion. I wish peace upon them all; the perfect peace of the grave.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 11, 2006 07:27 PM (0yYS2)
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Crazy ass Islam. What a load of religious crap! I really hate this false religion. I really do!
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 11, 2006 07:28 PM (D2g/j)
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"America -- Nidal NaÂ’isah, Fatin Nur"
Fatin Nur... Baha'u'llah's family name was al-Nuri, "of the Light"
Fatin Nur MAY (possibly) be a Baha'i, but there was official notification Monday that the Baha'is of Egypt had been 'granted' freedom of religion, freedom to worship as they choose!
So I wouldn't be surprised if there were an official 'freedom to worship' smile pasted over this murderous reality underneath!
Posted by: Karridine at April 11, 2006 07:53 PM (PjKwr)
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Yeah, and you thought the little goth kids who sacrificed the neighbor's cat so that Satan would make them cool at school were freaks...
Posted by: w3 at April 11, 2006 08:02 PM (DRifx)
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Islam IS a religion of peace and we will kill anyone of you who deny that fundamental truth!
Posted by: abu abibi at April 11, 2006 08:04 PM (wg7K+)
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@ jonathan riley
If they existed on a spot in the Islamic land, let us wash the places of their slaughter and beheading seven times to purify the Islamic land of the impurity of their blood
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that is wash the place where they are
beheaded 7 times the
proscribed number of times a devout Muslim
must wash if they touch a dog, for a pig
it's only one time.
Posted by: Dan Kauffman at April 11, 2006 08:09 PM (hxRR8)
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Khalid Hilal could be two people that I know of. One is the interior minister for Oman who developed their voting process.
The other is a professor in Montreal who has developed, among other things, a way to adapt advertising to reach potential customers in Morocco.
Posted by: Don Meaker at April 11, 2006 08:35 PM (hZT0l)
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Karradine,
Good point. The name sounded Bahai, but I didn't know about the freedom of religion thing.
Posted by: Rusty at April 11, 2006 08:36 PM (JQjhA)
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I think it's time to put a wanted dead or alive (preferrably dead) poster on the "al-JamaÂ’ah Consultative Council"and their wives and children immediately. Not as a joke. Let them feel a little fear also.
Posted by: ebbe at April 11, 2006 09:27 PM (AEZv0)
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We should turn the tables on them. MEMRI airs the Friday sermons of many radical imams. They should be duly noted and assassinated. Every time one of their leaders calls for the assassination of apostates and infidels, we should assassinate him first. We should be infiltrating their mosques, recording their henchmen....illegally, if we have to. We certainly cannot seem to count on law enforcement. See europe and weep at the pussification of the police. We should hit them hard, in the mosques, in the prisons, everywhere they are. This is, after all, a war of atrition. We must think creatively, counterintuitively. Damn the presses, damn public opinion...what would Pershing do? Let this be our motto for the war we find ourselves in: "What Would General Pershing Do?" Sell those bracelets and get the conversation flowing...and then the blood.
Posted by: Jauhara al Kafirah at April 11, 2006 09:37 PM (isvZ/)
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Hmm they left out my main gal Irshad Manji, She will be sad that she didnt make the cut. Guess she needs to speak louder.
Posted by: Ronin at April 11, 2006 09:52 PM (vHMRE)
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The post immediately above said for me exactly what I thought of saying when I read the above article.
Islam is shit.
Posted by: K T at April 11, 2006 09:57 PM (uIvOn)
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Sorry, I mean the post by Jauhara.
Posted by: K T at April 11, 2006 09:59 PM (a6M9b)
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Oh, come on! In the 20th century U.S. civil rights activists experienced similar threats from the Ku Klux Klan. They were protected by non-racist whites who opposed the racists vigorously in print and otherwise, sometimes even by serving as human shields to those who were threatened.
Surely similar impulses, initiative, and courage exists today in the Muslim World.
Right?
Posted by: Solomon2 at April 11, 2006 10:17 PM (NmTp3)
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I'll believe that when I hear of Muslims attempting to protect non-Muslims from the attempted attacks of other Muslims.
Posted by: K T at April 11, 2006 11:33 PM (Pl2Ih)
Posted by: dave at April 11, 2006 11:33 PM (ZQW4k)
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mr kauffman,
thanks for that..err, i think!
anyway, while all this holy lopping off of heads as prescribed in texts thousands of years old is going on, many of the rest of us are steadily walking away from the stone age rather than walking toward it.
Posted by: jonathan riley at April 12, 2006 01:02 AM (WoorE)
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Oddly enough, I don't think that a lot of these people qualify for the charge of apostasy as I understand it. At least one wasn't Muslim to begin with, and the rest are merely heretics.
Posted by: Vol Abroad at April 12, 2006 01:33 AM (xUoeg)
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I wish westerners would begin to unite against these savages! Divided we fall, there are a multitude of individual rational voices but not one unshakeable organised voice that wont cowtow to western PC cretins or the threats and posturing of the muslim savages.
I look forward to the day when the west finally
kicks these backward terrorists into shap and stands firm.
Posted by: Just another voice at April 12, 2006 03:43 AM (9L+3V)
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Dr. Wafa Sultan is a national treasure. We can't lose her to these thugs.
Posted by: Oyster at April 12, 2006 04:01 AM (YudAC)
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The only answer is to start slaughtering them wherever we find them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 12, 2006 05:39 AM (0yYS2)
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@jonathon riley You are welcome it just touched on something I wrote about during the Piglet controversy at the time I wondered why a devout Muslim was complaining about pig figures and there was a total silence about dog figures, It just showed how bogus the complaints were.
Dogs being 7 times more unclean than pigs but as PC as some British Politicians might be NO WAY was there going to be any appeasement on Man's Best Friend quite a few Brits idolise their pets. ;-)
The best way to re-introduce that thread is to give the Cox and Forkrum URL that was kind enough to link to me, ;-)
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Posted by: Dan Kauffman at April 12, 2006 06:42 AM (AoL8x)
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Nice comment Abu. Way to show your true RoP colors champ. It just goes to show while you and your co-followers will continue to remain at the bottom of the human food chain.
Posted by: Kyle at April 12, 2006 08:47 AM (JiJgi)
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Kyle,
I would like to think Abu's comment is a joke. If it isn't then he is the joke..
Posted by: Don at April 12, 2006 09:13 AM (cpZ7+)
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Fuck Muhammed and Fuck Allah. These cockroaches will be buried.
Any idea how I can get on the list
Posted by: Andrew at April 12, 2006 09:28 AM (DwHGO)
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ItÂ’s time to issue a reverse-fatwa. HereÂ’s how it would work. Anyone who issues a fatwa mandating the killing of an American or guest in America (i.e. a contract in Mafia terminology) is automatically marked as an appropriate target for assignation. Letters of Marque should be automatically issued for the death of the fatwa-issuing person.
By this automatic process every fatwa will be a death warrant for the issuing cleric.
Posted by: Jason Pappas at April 12, 2006 09:30 AM (0GdHJ)
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Jesus is the only one that can help these deluded people. God created every human being. I don't believe any Muslim can be trusted on any level and our government should stop helping them.
Posted by: Dave Stone at April 12, 2006 10:41 AM (1L04C)
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thousands of years
hundreds
Posted by: jonathan riley at April 12, 2006 12:35 PM (jADvF)
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Don,
I hope it is too, good point.
Abu, I apologize if I have misunderstood your statement. Could you clarify your position? I hope, like Don does, that it is a joke. If so, good one, it just sounds like much of the rhetoric coming from that region of the world.
Posted by: Kyle at April 12, 2006 02:07 PM (7AHZs)
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These days it seems many people on both sides of the ongoing conflict really want a full-blown war, even considering the risk of nuclear weapons being used. Throughout the nuclear age this is the first time a nuclear war is being wished for by a significant number of people. The Islamic world would be totally annihilated, is this really what we want to achieve?
Posted by: Wonder at April 12, 2006 03:53 PM (ARNVd)
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What, there were no apostates in Australia?
I would have to agree with all above who said that there should be a reverse fatwa on those who have issued these death threats.
These people are lunatics and they are definitely agents of Satan, not of God.
If any of you are at all familiar with the Scriptures you will see that God does not call for the blood of any person, especially not since the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. When we interpret some of the things in the ancient texts that seem to be bloodthirsty we need to apply those things in light of the society of the time.
Our problem happens to be that we do not have enough faith in God to pray that there will be an end to the violence. In the meantime all of the people who have been threatened need to be protected, especially Wafah Sultan (Sp mistake sorry).
It is time to round up the militant Muslims and ship them out of our countries. They belong in a country where their backward thinking will be appreciated.
A pox on all of them.
Posted by: OzMaggie at April 12, 2006 04:15 PM (nnWqv)
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USE PIGS NO NUCLERE DAS THE SAME EFFET
Posted by: Ion picasso at April 12, 2006 04:31 PM (Ryhya)
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Where's Ali Sina? Guess they knew they can never get him not knowing his real name, location etc.
Long live the religion of peace
Posted by: infidHell at April 12, 2006 10:31 PM (pltah)
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To Andrew who is dying to get on the hit list but has no clue how to. Here's my suggestion
Go stand in front of a mosque on a friday afternoon and shout abscenities against the one and only Allah. Don't forget to leave your name.
PS : Do this when the scums are all inside the mosque praying. Otherwise you will get one way ticket to 'Hell' immediately without getting onto the list in the first place.
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"Islam is a pissfool religion" President G.W.Bush
Posted by: Peter at April 13, 2006 12:26 AM (FK5qI)
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Leatherneck, Improbulous, Abu Abibi, whoever...
Many of the people on that list are Muslims themselves. So, does anyone care about the actual people on that list, or do you just want to equate the killers with their victims?
Posted by: andrew r at April 13, 2006 01:49 AM (JyedY)
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Jason has a good idea here:
ItÂ’s time to issue a reverse-fatwa. HereÂ’s how it would work. Anyone who issues a fatwa mandating the killing of an American or guest in America (i.e. a contract in Mafia terminology) is automatically marked as an appropriate target for assignation. Letters of Marque should be automatically issued for the death of the fatwa-issuing person. By this automatic process every fatwa will be a death warrant for the issuing cleric.
Posted by: Always On Watch at April 13, 2006 06:23 AM (Ffvoi)
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Hitler had the right idea, but the wrong People. This is a despicable religion that needs to be wiped out in a final solution.
Posted by: Slice at April 13, 2006 06:59 AM (ZSDaZ)
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From
Islam IS a religion of peace and we will kill anyone of you who deny that fundamental truth!
Posted by: abu abibi at April 11, 2006 08:04 PM
@Stupid abu ABIBI
Islam is the Devils Religion and you are one of his Demons the Name of the devil is ALLAH , because you argue like a cold blooded murder.
There will be a peace after the Problem of Islam had been solved by the free west.
We have enough of your 14XX years of bloody behavior and murder.
THE END FOR ISLAM, IS COMING SOON
CA = Crusader America
Posted by: CA at April 13, 2006 08:26 AM (mfjNk)
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You know, a while ago I just watched this video on the MEMRI website about an Arab lady who protested openly against various sexist practices in Islam and even pedophilism. "God will decide if I go to Hell," she said. What the poster Solomon2 said somewhere above may be right after all -- there are examples of courage and initiaive in the Muslim world.
What makes me so sad and afraid after watching this video is how it reminds me that many of those Muslims -- such as that brave lady -- are after all good human beings just like the rest of us. Honestly, I admire her but also fear for her life (given the kind of shit you find in Islam). And if a war really broke out between Islam and the rest of the world, does that mean those good people would have to be the casualties of war, too? I can hardly bear to think of it.
Why did such a thing as Islam EVER come into existence?? It's a sorry world we live in...
Posted by: K T at April 13, 2006 09:14 AM (dK5Q2)
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The bible prophecied about Ishmael (father of the Arab people) and his descendents "your hand will be against every man and every man's hand will be against you" (constant fighting and bloodshed).
The bible also prophecied about Ishmael "you will inherit the fat places of the earth" (oil).
Posted by: Ribi Menahim Rahman bin Rahman at April 13, 2006 09:33 AM (wZLWV)
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And why would a merciful and compassionate God ever want to divide His children into different groups and make them claw away at each other's throats?? And for that matter, why would a merciful and compassionate God ever want to create things like tsunamis and cancer??
If there's a God, it's plain that He has done a very poor job.
Posted by: K T at April 13, 2006 09:46 AM (a6M9b)
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Islam would be a reasonable religion, were it not for the fact that it lacks one small thing.
There are four magic words missing from the Koran:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL!
Posted by: Baba Danny at April 13, 2006 01:14 PM (GiV59)
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We turned our backs on G-d first. Now we pay.
andrew r, I wrote Islam is a load of religious crap. I still believe that. I did not write kill all muslims. However, a great many mood god worshippers will have to die before they get the hint that they finally pissed off the wrong nation. Oh well.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 13, 2006 04:56 PM (D2g/j)
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The problem of extreme Islam is a problem of Mafia style criminality which in both cases makes leaving the criminal organization dangerous.
The logical step is to make both death threats and sharia human rights abuse extra-national crimes against humanity requiring extraorinary rendition even within so-called Islamic states and the re-mandating of the said states governments and mineral resources in reparation to victims of Islamic amputation and gender apartied.Any resistance by the native sex abuser population must be met by ethnic cleansing and replacement by aryan men and women to dilute the dysgenic disaster that the Islamic experiment has become.In reality the West knows that such a policy,though overdue against this monsterous creed would result in terrible Western casualties, so we,the Quantum Avengers have developed pre-crime technology to allow justice to be achieved without any fear of IslamoMafia retribution.If western governments are still too cowardly we will soon have the resources to carry out this policy ourselves-however I think we can use the threat of withdrawal of our technology as a stick to force both Western and Middle Eastern governments to do the right thing.
Posted by: The Quantum Avengers at April 13, 2006 10:07 PM (g+cJq)
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Could ISLAM be the ANTICHRIST, [part of the SATANIC TRINITY] that the Bible prophesied would come to the world in THE LAST DAYS?
Posted by: Barry Banfield at April 14, 2006 10:50 AM (5QLS7)
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http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/jesus-with-rifle.jpg
Now we gonna fight back
CA
Posted by: CA at April 14, 2006 10:59 AM (Sd4mU)
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Islam is a peaceful religion. Once you submit to their rule that is. Until they decide you are a heretic.
Ask the Balkan peoples how they feel about Islamic rule (The Turks)
So let me see if I get this straight: The The Crusades, which offends Muslims, took place after Islam had advanced militarily steadily into Christian lands for 400 years...and for another 400 AFTER they ended
So it all comes down to this: They are really sore losers
Posted by: GW Crawford at April 14, 2006 04:02 PM (Jfign)
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The best way to destroy Islam is to provoke all the muslim women. The whole world knows that women are treated as animals in Islam. Once the muslim women start revolting the religion will crumble.
Women like the Bahraini, Wafa Sultan etc. let the ball roll.
Posted by: infidHell at April 14, 2006 09:15 PM (pltah)
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Naw! Muslim women enjoy too much churning out little tit sucking suicide bombers!
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 11:50 AM (FCC6c)
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Islam is a peaceful religion. Christianity is a peaceful religion. Yeah, yeah yeah...
Religion seems to be the problem. Belief in supernatural solutions to man-made problems is a formula for disaster, and look around - here it comes...
Only a new secular rational intelligent viewpoint can help us now, discarding our little religious prejudices that serve only to divide us, and divinity that serves only to inspire us to kill each other. But with the preponderance of narrow minded ignorance in the world, I seriously don't think we have a chance...
Posted by: Jimbo at April 20, 2006 12:44 PM (lsfgB)
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Thank you!
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Al Manor is designated by the U.S. Treasury Department as a
terrorist organization. Why then does
Google News use al Manor as a "news" source? If al Qaeda had a "news" arm, would Google News carry that as well? And by promoting al Manor on their website, isn't Google in violation of federal law?
As Daveed Gartenstein-Ross says over at the Counterterrorism blog:
Reasonable minds can differ about the relative merits of MichelleMalkin.com, Little Green Footballs and Democratic Underground for inclusion in Google News [and I would add, The Jawa Report]. But the inclusion of al-Manar -- itself a Specially Designated Global Terrorist entity, and known for its unrelenting support of terror against Americans and Israelis -- is simply indefensible.
Indeed.
Update: In a roundabout way (via Blogfather Charles, and Blogsister Michelle) I find this excellent post at Atlas Shrugs discussing the ins and outs of it.
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The facts speak for themselves.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 11, 2006 02:00 PM (0yYS2)
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Guys...
Google used to post DemocraticUnderground on their "News" site as well.
Its no mystery that Google employees have a leftward slant. We all know the "Miserable Failure" GoogleTrick.
Posted by: mrclark at April 11, 2006 08:49 PM (3dlFp)
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Mr Clark. You can still type in "failure" and Google's first return is GWB's biography. You can't tell me there is anything in their "pecking order" that would do that. It's hard coded. The only good thing is that the sub-return under that is Carter's bio and then we have the slob Michael Moore. I would venture to guess those were thrown in there for the sake of plausible deniability. Google has proven to be far too willing to control information.
Try typing in "flip flop" You'd think you would get at least one hit on John Kerry on the first page. But no. You get three on Bush. I tried at one time to search "bush gear" to see what kind of Bush paraphernalia or GOP paraphernalia was out there and every return for five pages was all anti-Bush. Every.single.one.
Google is a monster.
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I must disagree with the good Dr. Shackleford on his assessment of the
importance of the cyber-jihad.
While I have no issue with American hackers being paid to take down jihadist sites and forums, I don't believe that it's an imperative to winning this war. I did a post back during the Cartoon Jihad wherein I pooh-poohed the reaction of people to the MSM's failure to print them, because all of us had already seen them. By us I meant blogs, and those who frequent them. A nice commenter reminded me of the total number of people who don't get news from blogs. Healthy slap in the face, that was.
Yes, the internet is a tool used to recruit terrorists, but it's just a tool. Recruitment of Islamic terrorists was going along just fine before the internet became a household tool. The Marine barracks in Beirut was bombed when the internet was in its infancy.
Rusty wrote:
If we cannot win the cyber war, we cannot win our war against Muslim ideologues bent on creating the Islamic utopia by any means necessary.
We've defeated [insert utopian ideology here] bent on creating their visions of our world by any means necessary, all long before the internet was created.
Mohammed had no internet, and now 1.2 billion people on this Earth are forbidden to gaze upon his visage. Saladin had no internet, and it didn't stop him from kicking Crusader ass. The mujahadeen in Afghanistan had no internet, and they stomped the Soviets.
Hacking jihadi websites doesn't stop madrassas being built in Eastern Europe. Hacking jihadi websites doesn't stop imams preaching on Fridays. Hacking jihadi websites doesn't do any more good than jihadis hacking our websites. They, like us, will just put them up somewhere else.
Hacking sites may even be counter-productive. We, the great unwashed, have no true idea of what our government's capabilities are. Most of that stuff is classified. If hackers start disabling jihad sites, who knows what information they would be depriving us of.
So I disagree with my blogfather. The best way to deal with jihadis is not to hack their websites, it's far more simple than that.
Kill them all, let Allah sort 'em out. It's hard to access Ummah.com when you're dead.
And before you spit in my face in the comments, "Kill them all" does not refer to all Muslims, just the jihadis. And yes, Improbulus Maximus, "Kill them all" does refer to all Muslims, not just jihadis. And no, Background Noise, I really don't mean all Muslims, just jihadis. There, have I covered my ass?
Rusty responds--the bitch slap! Ahhh, finally a debate! A debate, a debate, my kingdom for a debate!
Okay, how to respond? Since most of my posts are tongue in cheek, focus on lipstick lesbians, or are devoted to calling people names, it isn't easy slamming on the brakes and putting on the academic helmut so quickly. But here goes.
What Vinnie has just done is a classic example of not understanding two very important points and because he misses those points, is arguing against a straw man.
1) Probabalistic relationships are different than cause-effect relationships.
Contrary to what you were taught in both physics and logic, not all cause-effect relationships are direct. No one is arguing here that the internet causes terror, only that the increase in jihadi activity online has led to an increase in a) sympathy for terrorists which gives them room to hide among the civilian populations of the world b) recruitment of terrorists.
Thus, decreasing online terror activity will certainly decrease support for terrorism worldwide and therefore terrorist acts worldwide.
2) An effect often has multiple causes.
Before the internet there was jihad and after the internet there will be jihad, thus jihad must not be caused by internet. True enough, but the internet is a cause today if not the cause.
Wars are fought on many fronts and in many different ways simultaneously. So far, we have not even begun to fight the front that is cyberspace. My argument has never been that if we win this front we will win the war on terror, my argument is that if we wish to win the war on terror we must also win the cyber war.
Winning the cyber war will not mean we will win the war on terror, but it will certainly help. However, if we do not win the cyber war we cannot win the war on terror. It is a necessary condition for winning, but not the only condition.
Why? Wars are won when the enemy believes there is no hope for victory. When fighting an army, a nation, or even an organized resistance group, killing/capturing most of them or taking control of key physical territory usually serves as sufficient grounds for resistance to fall. But because in assymetrical and decentralized warfare beating individual cells is not enough to win, an atmosphere must be created in which enemy combatants have no hope of winning and therefore lay down their arms.
There are several other erroneous points Vinnie makes--such as not understanding the differences between Saladin's or Mohammed's very centralized armies and decentralized cells of terrorists--but I'll skip to the most important one.
The argument, if I understand it correctly, is that taking down terror websites is impossible since terrorists will just find new web space and new sites will pop up. That is, we should not wage war against the cyber jihadis because we cannot win it.
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't fly. How do we know we can't win it if we've never even attempted to fight it? Further, I would argue, effectively fighting the cyber war is actually much simpler than most understand. Since the vast majority of cyber jihadi activity only come from a handful of websites, taking out the most popular ones will drastically reduce the power of terrorists to shape the opinions of Muslims around the world.
We do not need to take down every jihadi website, we only need to take down the most popular ones. This could be accomplished today if we put our mind to it. That's right, today.
And, when the jihadis move to another website, we can follow them. Then take down that website. And the next. And the next.
Last, if you think taking down a few hundred websites is hard, how hard do you think it will be to find and kill a few hundred thousand jihadis? Impossible.
Vinnie:
I still don't see how this is a necessary condition to winning the war. To me, a necessary condition would be, say, removing the mullahs from power in Iran.
Hacking jihad websites is more like H/I fire in my opinion.
So...could you elaborate on that for me?
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I think rusty misses out that in the war of ideas, we've disarmed ourselves.
Unless you count "democracy" as a good idea. Palestine et al I think is a good example of how great an idea that one is.
Posted by: MiB at April 11, 2006 01:28 AM (2hPsb)
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Have we? Really disarmed ourselves in the war of ideas?
So "democracy" is a bad idea? What do you propose in its stead?
Posted by: Vinnie at April 11, 2006 01:40 AM (/qy9A)
Posted by: Oyster at April 11, 2006 03:54 AM (YudAC)
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The only hacking that will work is the kind that removes muslims' heads from their shoulders. Give the lowlifes a taste of their own medicine and see how they like it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 11, 2006 05:20 AM (0yYS2)
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It's rather to put their heads back on their shoulders that would help.
Take the koran, online, copy the whole thing in a word processor, read it and highlight the hate mongering passages, what says that non Muslims are scum, doomed to burn, etc. Then youÂ’ll know why they are such a pain in the ass.
It's not that much work, it took me a day to do it in French, including commentaries:
http://www.ajm.ch/liberty/plainte_18.3.06.pdf
Posted by: ajm at April 11, 2006 05:44 AM (adsbJ)
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AJM, you could just go to: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
As long as we remain squeamish about fighting our enemies, or keep trying to choose which is an acceptable enemy and which is not, we will continue to lose ground. He who is not attacking is not winning. A good muslim is a dead muslim.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 11, 2006 06:34 AM (0yYS2)
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The muhajadin in Afghanistan kicked ass in large part thanks to US stinger missles that started taking the Soviet Hind attack choppers down and in part because of WW2 tactics employed by the Soviets.
Posted by: goesh at April 11, 2006 06:48 AM (vX0fY)
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Improbulus Maximus: the skepticsÂ’ job is okay, it shows that the Koran is the lowest thing that ever got confused with religion. But the hate-mongering factor helps better to understand why Muslims are acting as they do.
We have to defeat them, not obligatorily kill them. And although I sure wouldnÂ’t regret the death of any one who is able to take Islamic scriptures as a guide in life, I also see that most of them, today, are just kids. And without real parents (after how many kids can you look as a father?). Many things can happen in the course of one manÂ’s life. I say letÂ’s bet on life.
Posted by: ajm at April 11, 2006 07:33 AM (adsbJ)
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One sided propaganda
ITs really amazing how you hate mongers just sit there and point at other people s religion and pick out what suits your agenda ,out of context and completely ignore the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called “God” of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. You can also follow along with on-line Bibles such as BibleStudyTools.net It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says itÂ’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be no pointing at others.
Posted by: leaker-in-chief at April 11, 2006 09:41 AM (zqsRN)
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Someone having a problem with Jewish terrorists out there?
There's a good reason for that. Jews were ordered to crush some well-defined people, whereas Muslims are ordered to crush unbelievers at large.
Jews were also ordered not to kill. Period. Muslims are only ordered not to killÂ… Muslims (except bad Muslims of course).
Posted by: ajm at April 11, 2006 09:51 AM (adsbJ)
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Alright, alright, so God didn't know someone was actually writing all this stuff down. You ever try to be creator of all things heaven and earth, only to have a bunch of self-righteous ingrates question your every move?
Posted by: Ken at April 11, 2006 09:53 AM (UHKaK)
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I guess we just have to trust you with what you say AJM? YEAH, RIGHT. Pull your head out, ... What's your point? What s your proof? did you do some research? your way of discussion is so one sided ,with no proof and no logic.
If you take a logic test you ll take a ZERO .All you prove is bigotry ,hate , American despotism and racism , i ll rather converse with an un flashed toilet..
Posted by: to ajm at April 11, 2006 10:37 AM (zqsRN)
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I say: donÂ’t you trust anyone, ever, who is talking about religion. But if you feel interested, for whatever reason, do check each and every word the guy is saying, and youÂ’ll be safe.
I said: copy the koran into a word processor, read it and highlight the hate mongering stuff, when it derides, condemns, insults nonbelievers and incites to put them down, to kill them, and so on. I said that you then will know why so many Muslims have been such bad guys.
I also said that it isnÂ’t that much work; that it took me just one day (well, 24 hours), to do that job in my native language, French. ItÂ’s there: www.ajm.ch/liberty/plainte_18.3.06.pdf
Now, when youÂ’ll be done with it, imagine that each and every Muslim would be doing that dayÂ’s work, too. And many nonbelievers, as well. I say the world would be a better place, then.
Posted by: ajm at April 11, 2006 11:00 AM (adsbJ)
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Is it really Islamic to kill unbelievers? Should not all people be allowed to practice what they believe in?
Cher AJM ,Under Islam, all people are free to practice whatever beliefs they have. Islam does not allow Muslims to kill unbelievers who do not fight Islam. It is only when they launch an aggression against Islam or Muslims that they should fight them.
If you look at what is happening in the world today, you find that Muslims are at the receiving end of aggression in different places, particularly in Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya and Afghanistan. When Muslims fight back, they are only repelling aggression. Still, when Muslims fight, they must abide by Islamic rules, never killing anyone who is not engaged in the fight against them. Thus, they must not kill or injure innocent people or passers by.
I wonder have you ever read the ENTIRE Quran or simply verses out of context that you 've read or heard by ignorant folk ? When it comes to fighting "infidels" the Quran refers to those Arab Pagans who fought and persecuted the first generation of Muslim, furthermore it applies to those who persecute Muslims. So it doesnt apply to you and your loved ones. Have you read the parts in the Quran where it talks about relations with non-Muslims or did you conviniently skip them ? So no, neither I nor my co-religionists spend every waking fantasizing about chasing after infidels down the streets. And to correct the fallacy that most of the world sees Islam in this negative light, thats what you THINK. Infact most of the world hold Americans in contempt for their actions, and I'm not talking merely about the desecration of the Holy Quran by war criminals in the Gitmo Gulag. Anti-Americans isnt just in Islamic countries. Ever wonder why ?
YOU need to quit grovelling and show some dignity instead of pandering to malicious and ignorant fools who care nothing for facts or figures. PEACE.PAIX.
Posted by: Cher Ami ajm at April 11, 2006 12:46 PM (zqsRN)
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Cher,
You need to take off the blinders, and smell the Coffee:
Cher AJM ,Under Islam, all people are free to practice whatever beliefs they have.
So a Muslim is free to convert, or become an atheist, what is all this talk about death for apostasy?
Still, when Muslims fight, they must abide by Islamic rules, never killing anyone who is not engaged in the fight against them.
So the Iraqi civilians killed by car bomb in Iraq, beheadings and gunshot are a myth?
How about the civilians killed on September 11th, London bus/train bombings and the Spanish train bombings? the list goes on and on.
How come Imam's around the world are not decrying the methods used by terrorists, which they say is in Allah's name? why do they push for more violence? why do they call for death for cartoonists and newspaper editors?
Problem is Islam has two faces, one that talks like you do about peace, the other that talks about killing all that do not submit to it.
Posted by: davec at April 11, 2006 12:56 PM (CcXvt)
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Who opened the leaky faucet?
Posted by: Oyster at April 11, 2006 01:58 PM (SlypO)
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Well. Maybe I did. Let me try to fix that.
Yes, IÂ’ve read the entire Koran, many times. And the Hadith, and some Tafsir, and some dissertations of Islamic jurists of the four sunni madhahib and of the shia school, too, especially on jihad, dhimma, and hadd. I spent some time dreaming on the fascinating aspects of the fiqh, such concepts as shubha, diya, aqila, and qasama. And while I think that some of those things are worth being thought upon, adapted and used, IÂ’d say they are such precious exceptions that the best really is to start from scratch.
Posted by: ajm at April 11, 2006 02:20 PM (adsbJ)
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What a bunch of B.S. Islam is at war with the world. Saddam, (a crazy Muslim), killed a million Muslims. The United States of America made more than a few Muslim nations rich! The MSM wants everyone in the world to think America is bad, and the U.N. is good. Gitmo? Two hots, and a cot, with ocean view, and a towel for your moon god worshipping head. What do Americans get when captured by moon god worshippers? YOU GUESSED IT!
Islam makes me want to puke! The G-d I pray to does not need to be defended by that which he created.
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April 10, 2006
Countering the Cyber Jihad: Cyber Privateering Part II
It's time we took the cyber jihad seriously. It has become obvious that the U.S. government is ill equippied to deal with the problem If we cannot win the cyber war, we cannot win our war against Muslim ideologues bent on creating the Islamic utopia by any means necessary.
Why is the U.S. government unable to respond adequately to the cyber jihad?
a) They are still in law enforcement mode.
Unless an internet website is breaking the law, no action is taken by the government. However, if we are in a war, then the normal rules do not apply. We cannot treat terrorist forces on the web as if they were simply exercising some Constitutional right of free speech. If this is a war, then fight it like one. If you can kill your enemies in war, then certainly censoring them is justified.
b) Intelligence agencies lack the institutional know-how to fight the online jihad.
Traditionally, intelligence agencies such as the NSA and CIA have been the information gathering arm of the U.S. government. Such intelligence is used by other agencies to act. They may monitor jihadi websites, but they obviously are not acting on their information.
Occasionally they do act, but when they do --such as with the arrest of Irhabi 007--they are in law enforcement mode. Irhabi 007 was charged with a crime, but if using the internet to wage war upon your own country is a crime, then doesn't this reveal the underlying problem of not treating this as a war?
c) The military lacks the tools to fight the internet jihad.
If this is war then it is the military--not the intelligence agencies such as the CIA and NSA, and not the law enforcement agencies such as the FBI -- that ought to be fighting it. The military is great at doing a lot of things, but taking down websites is not one of them. Even if we could identify each and every web server which hosts terror websites, the solution is not bombing the webhosts. For the most part, companies either are not aware that terrorists use their services or they do not care because there are no real consequences to doing business with the online jihadis.
The solution? There is no government solution. The only people really equipped to counter the online threat are hackers themselves. These cyber pirates have the necessary knowlege, tools, and experience in infiltrating and taking down websites. With minimum investment in equipment, with the assurance that they will not be prosecuted for activities which are normally considered illegal, and with the promise of a reward for each website taken down, these cyber pirates would be turned into cyber privateers. There skills which are normally deemed socially unacceptable, can be used to the advantage of winning the long war against militant Islam.
I will be posting on cyber-privateering from time to time. Stay tuned!
Michael B. Kraft at the Counteterrorism blog has some notes on Professor Gabriel Weimann's new book Terror on the Internet:
Prof. Weimann also describes various efforts by private groups or individuals to take down the web sites of terrorists –and the back and forth efforts between Israelis and Palestinians or their supporters to take down each other’s websites. He also discusses the efforts, largely futile, by governments to deprive terrorist groups of service providers because they jump to other providers or conceal their origin.
Hoffman emphasized another side of the coin—the need to take the offense as well as play defense. He said the United States and friendly governments should do more to make use of the internet get across reliable news and counter what he called the ”parallel world” in which terrorists and their supporters receive distorted perspectives and rumors on their web sites.
This may take more nimbleness and sophistication than US Government public diplomacy efforts have shown in recent years. But it is time to act and think outside the conventional box and should be given high priority. [READ THE REST]
To effectively counter the cyber jihad, it will take much more than public diplomacy. I will have more on this in the future.
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jeez,
Just imagine if instead of learning about a terrorists by following him, photographing him, finding out who is friends, and contacts are, the CIA just walked behind them and dropped them with a nine in the skull.
Then they would be a dead terrorist -- we wouldn't know anything about them, their skills, operations, people they mixed with but he'd be dead right, and everyone can feel better.
These people talk on these boards, and they're an intelligence goldmine if not only their ability to out the extremists that visit them, and the people uploading to them. Why would you want to remove them? it's paramount to the above scenario.
I myself, am a network security analyst, and I know quite a lot of people that are involved in finding exploitable conditions in software, and publishing advisories, you'd be happy to know some of the same people that released remote exploits for Microsoft Windows, and several high profile UNIX daemons consult for several three letter agencies. if they wanted in. they'd be in, and that is all I pretty much want to discuss on that topic.
Posted by: davec at April 11, 2006 12:52 AM (CcXvt)
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True, davec, but if we don't stop monitoring them and start killing them, we're going to be in big trouble soon. The first step should be to round up and deport every muslim in the country, and then go kill them in whatever hellhole we've deported them to.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 11, 2006 06:37 AM (0yYS2)
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We've "monitored" Hamas since its inception. We still "monitor" Hamas. When are we going to do something about all the Hamas websites, Hamas "charities", Hamas fundraising, Hamas leaders? Now, of course, it's too late. They govern a strategically significant piece of land.
Question: When do you stop monitoring and start disrupting?
Posted by: Asgerd at April 11, 2006 07:26 AM (zGx/I)
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Asking hackers to take down pages, they would face criminal charges for inside the United States is a stretch, especially as some of the Jihadi websites are located inside Europe, and the U.S does comply with the E.U laws. The U.S has even arrested foreign programmers on U.S soil in order to comply with the DMCA, at DefCon one of the largest gatherings of Hackers/security professionals in Vegas each year a russian programmer was arrested for violating the DMCA:
programmer arrested
This isn't an isolated event, the problem is worse, when you think that 98% of all web defacements are done by unskilled morons, using programs, who couldn't even target the right sites. A good example of this is when "WoH" defaced a anti-terrorism thinktank that lost employees in the September 11th attack, because it had the word "terrorist" in it's website domain name.
The U.S military does take cyber-warfare very seriously, just because it's not on the frontpage does not mean the U.S has neither contingency plans to thwart it, or the ability to use it:
cyber warfare
moving from monitoring to action, is a good question -- however who is to say it isn't already happening? you have already seen the arrest of the London hacker, and the person in Iraq running the media arm for Al-Qaeda. I am sure we'd like to hear how this particular battle is being fought, however I'm sure you'd have the ACLU suing to find out every ISP the U.S has tapped, compromised or attacked within a week, I personally prefer hearing no details rather than having it layed out on the front pages of the Washington Times.
Posted by: davec at April 11, 2006 10:40 AM (CcXvt)
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davec: In other words, it might be better to leave them up and running at least long enough to trace them?
Posted by: Oyster at April 11, 2006 02:02 PM (SlypO)
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Given the tone of my comments, I'm probably being monitored too, which, considering the government's track record of violence against its citizens, probably means they'll come after me before any muslims who are plotting death to innocent people. They apparently think that citizens won't shoot back. They're wrong in this case if that's what they think.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 11, 2006 02:10 PM (0yYS2)
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Oyster:
hold on, I'm about to get a bit technical.
Not only are these boards a goldmine in regards to tracking, and tracing who goes there, and participates, but the servers themselves contain a lot of valuable information.
if they are being penetrated there is extremely valuable intelligence upon them, from the basic: server logs, every webserver in it's default state logs connections: ip address, browser type, page names with a date and time stamp -- to the advanced: some of the terrorists are using encryption like pgp (pretty good privacy) and stenography (ability to embed messages inside pictures) which without knowning the NSA's ability to reverse -- is often estimated to take longer than the life of the universe to break.
However if I compromise the server, and create backdoors, for example replacing the pgp program with a backdoored version which logs fopen() [file open] fread() fwrite() [read/write] the jihadi's will be using their encryption with no idea their security is compromised, which would mean they are writing their messages freely, and I would be able to see everything they read or wrote that they believed to be securely encrypted.
contrast that, with taking them offline -- which lasts about 30 minutes until they find another free account to host it again -- which may take me days to find again.
This is the tip of the iceburg, and I really have not discussed the techniques in detail, nor do I have any interest in doing so.
Posted by: davec at April 11, 2006 02:50 PM (CcXvt)
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Belive it or not, I actually followed that, Dave! Electronic trails are as abundant as paper trails if exploited correctly. The FBI caught a guy a few years ago who mailed in a clipped picture of a website's map to police pointing out where his victim's body was and they traced him through the website's recorded IPs of its visitors to where he accessed the map from, then went to his house and handcuffed him.
Posted by: Oyster at April 11, 2006 03:17 PM (SlypO)
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April 03, 2006
Aqsa Martyrs Commander Killed
(Gaza City) Sources report that the top al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades Commander, Raed Abayat, has been killed by Israeli Defense Forces. Very good news, in
my estimation, because any time the heart of a terrorist stops beating, the world is a better place.
From ArabNews.com:
Witnesses said that the Israeli troops backed by tanks stormed into Beit Sahour town early yesterday morning and surrounded a building in the town where the top commander and his assistant were hiding. They added that a short exchange of fire between the commander and the Israeli soldiers resulted in the killing of Aqsa commander and the arrest of his assistant who was injured in the exchange of fire.
Medical sources confirmed the death of the commander and identified him as Raed Abayat, 31.
Israeli security sources said that the troops noticed two Palestinians hiding in a house in the town and called on them to surrender but when they spotted Abayat toting a rifle, they opened fire at him. The sources added that Abayat was wanted by Israel for five years for his involvement in the murder of Israelis.
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BBC report indicates that the Israeli troops tried to arrest Abayat but he refused and provoked a gunfight. And lost.
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Go IDF! They do a great service to humanity everytime they kill one of those scumbags.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 03, 2006 09:50 PM (8e/V4)
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hmm. kind of like a reverse of the "left" rhedoric.
omg! they're killing them faster than they're creating them!!!
Posted by: davec at April 03, 2006 10:20 PM (CcXvt)
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Alas, another grievous blow to the libtard cause.
Da JOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOoooooozzz got 'im!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 10:26 PM (0yYS2)
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And what a great job all these targeted killings have done in stopping terrorism...
Hold on.
Posted by: Sonic at April 03, 2006 10:30 PM (Gsn6c)
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Boy are those "Top Commanders" getting young in age when they die. Maybe their counterparts in the West Bank & Gaza Areas are ratting them out. They should be very afraid of each other more then the IDF.
Posted by: ALL MY LOVE at April 03, 2006 11:01 PM (HJbYT)
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Sonic, you seem to think that there's some empirical way to determine how many terrorist attacks didn't occur because some of the terrorist ended up dead before they planned on it. Can you prove that there wouldn't have been 4 times as many attacks if the leaders were left unmolested? 5 times? 6...
Stupid effing kiwi.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 03, 2006 11:05 PM (RHG+K)
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>>>And what a great job all these targeted killings have done in stopping terrorism...
No, what a great job the peace process did in stopping terrorism! Right???
But in fact targeted killings have done a great job, you silly Libtard! Hold on:
"The number of Israelis murdered by terrorists declined 60% over 2004. 45 Israelis were murdered in bombings in 2005. 117 were murdered in 2004. Successful terrorist bombings went down from 15 in 2004 to 7 in 2005.
Many people are pointing to the separation barrier as a major reason. I have, in the past, credited the barrier with cutting the number of suicide attacks. While I still think it is a major factor in preventing suicide attacks, it is not the only factor. The hard work of the Israeli intelligence agencies, security services, police force, and the IDF are what has lowered terror attacks. 160 would-be suicide bombers were arrested last year."
http://www.yourish.com/2006/01/12/601
But who cares! Either way, killing terrorists is NEVER a bad thing.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 03, 2006 11:07 PM (8e/V4)
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[sarcasm]But no JC, you're just creating more terrorists by killing the terrorists! Eeek! Eeek! Look at all the Nazis we have today because of the brutal invasion and occupation of the German homeland! [/sarcasm]
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 03, 2006 11:25 PM (RHG+K)
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JC - But, but ... Hamas says the reduction in deaths is due to their own "restraint" in '05. And now they want a dinky badge for it. I did a whole breakdown of it in a previous post here. Terror related deaths have been decreasing steadily since the start of '03. Oh wait! You coudn't be right, could you? Dang straight, you are. Construction of the wall start in the middle '02. But, Hamas wants credit for their "benevolence". [coughbullsh*tcough]
On another note, Sonic thinks a good strategy is to buy stock in a French white flag factory. If I were him, I'd sell that stock and then exchange those Euros for Ryals. He might need 'em.
Posted by: Oyster at April 04, 2006 04:11 AM (YudAC)
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Even most libtards have given up on that stupid assertion that we're making more by killing more. I don't know whether it's their idiotic
blackwhite logic, a la
1984, or just a propaganda tool to try to demoralize us, or both. In any even, it's just more evidence that we need to hang every liberal until they stop kicking.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2006 06:12 AM (0yYS2)
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all you can do is gut-shoot 'em, step over their convulsing bodies and keep moving forward engaging the bastards where they can be found.
Posted by: goesh at April 04, 2006 06:25 AM (vX0fY)
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I'll take some trophies after I drop 'em, I guarantee that.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 05, 2006 10:36 AM (0yYS2)
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War Crimes In Israel
By now most everyone in the world knows that the Israeli Jews are a nothing but a renegade band of vicious murderers. If there was any previous doubt in anyone's mind, the events of recent years have served as irrefutable proof that they are a Satanic coterie of blood thirsty homicidal maniacs.
The Jews always seek to portray themselves as the great humble philanthropists of all humanity, but with even a cursory examination of the facts, this is easily exposed as a shoddy facade. The Jews feel they are a law unto themselves. They believe they owe the world nothing, and that it is exclusively their playground in which to perpetrate violence and create disorder. All the peoples of the earth are merely potential victims to be abused and exploited in the quest of world Zionism.
Children are ripped apart by Israeli machine gun fire. The elderly become homeless, as their houses are needlessly destroyed by various munitions or pushed down by bulldozers. The infirm are withheld life saving drugs. The injured are denied medical treatment. The personal liberty of travel is prohibited. Helpless Palestinians, men and women, young and old, are being brutalized by those barbarous desperados known as "the Jews". World Jewry is without any doubt responsible for the most reprehensible forms of war crimes, as well as the fact that they are most definitely guilty of heinous crimes against humanity. What is worse, these crimes are being perpetrated with American money and approval. It is especially upsetting to decent Americans when Judeo preachers such as Jerry Falwell get on TV and actively solicit funds for Israel for duped Americans who believe it is their "Christian" duty. People are starting to ask questions, even among the Protestant circles that commonly support the Jews. Many people who are perplexed by the injustice of these atrocities can express their apprehension in a single word - Why?
Much of the American public want to know why a great portion of their tax dollars go to fund these baby butchers of the Middle East. Instead of rewarding assassins with blood money, how come these funds couldn't be used for more constructive purposes like education, social rehabilitation programs for the needy, energy shortages in California, or what about paying down the national debt?
Why are pirate Israelis sanctioned in maintaining an illegal occupation? Why are psychopathic, deranged Israelis permitted to carry machine guns? How are the Jews able to get away with such gross human rights' violations? And why specifically are they allowed to shoot defenseless, peaceable citizenry in the back? Indeed, numerous human rights groups have acknowledged that the Israelis are blameworthy in their use of excessive force against so many inoffensive Palestinians. Chief Marauder Ariel Sharon, in his characteristic presumptuousness, articulately summed up the position of the cruel and oppressive Neozionists on March 26 in The Washington Times: "No one in this world has the right to put Israel on trial. No one. On the contrary, Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the state of Israel on trial."
Posted by: CHRIST Hating jewooooooooos at April 06, 2006 09:28 AM (zqsRN)
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I.M YOU ARE A VERY SIMPLE MINDED DIRTY ANIMAL ,WITH NO SOUL,SPIRITUALY EMPTY, FRUSTRATED VIRUS.
Posted by: ATHIEST WATCH at April 06, 2006 05:29 PM (zqsRN)
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