1 The US economy didn't collapse when they didn't have 12 million illegal immigrants! That is a pathetic excuse they're using...

2 [rant] Pray tell why should we tax paying law abiding CITIZENS keep abiding our laws when our Government is in full contempt of our votes, purse, rights and CITIZEN status? By rewarding illegal immigrants entry into our country and then rewarding them with health care, schools, jobs, police and local, state and fed services our own Government has corrupted the very basis of our Union. Is it possible that the day near when we'll have to say again, we've been taxed enough, Don't Tread on Me anymore, or else we'll *lose* the law altogether and sort things out another way. [/rant]

3 This idea that our economy needs slave labor to survive is, well, hogwash. This was the south's argument during the Civil War. They insisted that without slaves our economy would collapse into a heap of rubble. Well guess what? It didn't. But again, I'll go back to saying there are issues that Congress and the administration are NOT addressing. The burden of doing business exacted by goverment taxes and union demands must be addressed. It's no wonder companies are compelled to hire cheap, illegal labor. And COITUS? I like it! I like it a lot.

4 http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd180.htm Read that one: The words above were spoken by Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington and founder of the La Raza Unida political party. His full comment was: "We have an aging white America ... They are dying ...We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

5 It looks like when we start hanging liberals and muslims, we should just throw in all the politicians and Mexicans too. Which is too bad, because I actually like Mexicans in general, but if we have to fight to keep our own, so be it.

6 I just happened on this site in which they breakdown all the myths being perpetrated by the anti-anti-immigration lobby. Extremely well worth the read. http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html

7 This problem with the Mexicans is exactly what happens when the multi-cultural crowd is in control. Frankly, I like the Mexicans as a people, they are normally hard-working and very much like a lot of Southerners I know. But now we are talking about a serious challenge to the unity of the United States, and this must be stopped, and stopped now. If it takes the Marines, National Guard, or whatever, all illegal aliens must be returned to Mexico. Then they can go through the legal immigration channels if they want to come to the US.

8 Islamic terrorists all over the place, and now invasive anarchy from ungrateful Mexicans? Build a wall? Hell no, let's nuke 'em, every last stupid throat-slitting one of them......and corrupt-to-the-core Mexico too.

9 Aw, hell, you don't mean that, napalm.

10 We should use biological weapons so then we can keep the land.

11 Personally, I'm against your plan. I call my plan COITUS interruptus.

12 >>>>We should use biological weapons so then we can keep the land. You're going to kill a lot of rightful citizens with your biological weapon. If you turn this immigration into a race issue, you're going to lose a lot of citizen hispanics that would otherwise be on your side.

13 I cannot condemn the breaking of immoral laws - specifically, our insane jump-through-hoops system to get into the USA, about as unamerican as you can imagine. Certain a far cry from the old "sign here, welcome to America, work's to your right" of our past. All of a sudden though, these immigrants represent a "threat," a "drain," a "challenge to unity," etc. A drain on our "social resources"? Socialism is nice and all, if you desire your country to suck, but you're sort of blaming something that has nothing to do with the actual problem for the problem. The problem is not that illegals cost socialized healthcare lots of money - the problem is that its funded by extorted money, is wrong, and the entire system is theft by definition. But instead of saying "Maybe we should reexamine this aspect of our government," we have people crying for Mexican blood. A "challenge to the unity of America"? Brother, if you can't assimilate a bunch of immigrants who came here because this country is so clearly superior to their own, you are finished as a cultural power anyway. My dad came here from Mexico. I consider myself through-and-through American - no hispanic suffix. But apparently my countrymen have completely forgotten what it means to be American. Our country has a rich history of lax immigration policy and, thunder and lightning, the world didn't end. Who would have thunk it? I will be at the protests on April 2nd, waving the American flag, and standing up for American principles that you all have apparently completely forgotten. Also, the people who have suggested that you kill all "mexicans" - which I assume would include me, being of mexican descent - put your money where your mouth is and come at me. See what happens when instead of the protective anonimity of the internet is stripped away and you are forced to advocate mass murder when people know who you are.

14 You might want to rethink waving the Gringo flag MiB, that seems to be flashpoint for the people at these rallies. Just ask Michelle Marquez. It's not all of a sudden, it's been going on for decades, and has only intensified since that last amnesty 20 years ago gave the go-ahead to further illegal immigration. If you refuse to condemn aliens entering our country illegally and breaking our laws, then you're right, you're not a hyphenated American. You're not really an American at all, just some sort of chauvinistic anarchist.

15 I cannot condemn the breaking of immoral laws - specifically, our insane jump-through-hoops system to get into the USA, about as unamerican as you can imagine. Certain a far cry from the old "sign here, welcome to America, work's to your right" of our past. Rubbish. There is nothing "unamerican" about wanting to guard our borders or control the influx of immigrants. NEVER in the history of this country have immigrants just flooded across our borders. They've come in legally, and have been processed legally. THAT is the American way. You think Mexicans have some special right to flood our country that immigrants from other countries don't? What about Canadians? Do they get to flood our country too? What about Nigerians? Can ANY country can just flood our borders? Or just Mexico. So who gave Mexico that special privilege? They are like any country. Their emmigrants need to take a number and stand in line.

16 "You might want to rethink waving the Gringo flag MiB, that seems to be flashpoint for the people at these rallies. Just ask Michelle Marquez." Do you honestly think I'd care what they think? "If you refuse to condemn aliens entering our country illegally and breaking our laws, then you're right, you're not a hyphenated American. You're not really an American at all, just some sort of chauvinistic anarchist." No, I'm fine with border security. If you fixed the immigration system these people could come in legally - and be checked on the way in so that their names aren't actually, say, Mohammad or some such. And it would also help the border patrol because they knew people who were crossing the border wern't coming to America to work, because people who wanted to come to America to work would go through the normal channels. Here's the simple solution. Toss out the retarded tests and such that have not solved a damn thing, get together a database of criminals, I suppose you could attempt to coordinate that with the Mexican government as well, so you can turn away people who have committed serious crimes in Mexico. Combine that, of course, with all the data on terrorists that you can get ahold of. There, simple system, everyone who wants to work gets in, criminals and terrorists that we can be expected to catch will get caught, and the border patrol now doesn't have to deal with thousands of border crossings every day, but can concentrate on the few it does have. I know, its unAmerican to want a reasonable immigration policy as opposed to the broken one we have now, or the absurd "lets build a big wall" solutions. Apparenly when I wasn't looking what it meant to be American changed to being xenophobic and stupid. Jesusland: No, there isn't anything unamerican about wanting to guard our borders. Which is obviously something no one appears to be interested in. Either we place a huge number of military personell at the border (not going to happen,) build a huge wall (which will take years and billions) or...change our immigration policy like I said. It seems that my solution fixes things in a grand total of however long it would take to organize the immigrant check system. Everything else is either not going to happen or would take years - and ignores the actual cause of all the illegal immigration. Yes, never in our history have illegals flooded the country. Also never in our history have we had more restrictive, stupid immigration law. I see a direct correlation here and see no value in obeying a law that is patently stupid.

17 Sorry, MiB, when I see illegal or legal immigrants, whichever they might be, raise a Mexican flag above the US flag, which was also turned upside down, and I read about people at La whatever advocating the murder of gringos, I get pissy. And I'm from Texas, and I have lived around Mexicans and Mexican-Americans all my life, so I hardly need to be lectured on that. But I will say this, most here like Mexicans, who they consider to be hard working and good people, but raising the Mexican flag above the US flag, advocating Atzlan, and breaking the laws of the US will not gain any sympathy. As I said, Mexicans should have to follow the same laws that apply to all others seeking to enter the US.

18 >>>Also never in our history have we had more restrictive, stupid immigration law. I see a direct correlation here and see no value in obeying a law that is patently stupid. MiB, I don't think you know the first thing about what our actual immigration laws are. You just conveniently call them "restrictive" in order to rationalize your lawlessness. We can start by ENFORCING the actual laws on our books, and then build a huge fucking wall like the Israelis did. We CAN do it-- except for the pro-invasion types like you who oppose it. It makes me NAUSEOUS to see the Mexican flag being waved on U.S. soil. Just like it would make Mexicans sick if we went to Mexico City and starting waving American flags. They think they're going to convince anybody by doing that? On the contrary, the more Mexican flags they wave the more disgusted we get. And hispanics like you who go and wave the American flag, you know what the pro-invasion lobby calls you? "Vendido". That's all you are to them-- sold out to whitey. These are the people you're in league with when you march those streets.

19 "Sorry, MiB, when I see illegal or legal immigrants, whichever they might be, raise a Mexican flag above the US flag, which was also turned upside down, and I read about people at La whatever advocating the murder of gringos, I get pissy." Don't color us all because of the actions of some retards. That stinks of racism. "But I will say this, most here like Mexicans, who they consider to be hard working and good people, but raising the Mexican flag above the US flag, advocating Atzlan, and breaking the laws of the US will not gain any sympathy. As I said, Mexicans should have to follow the same laws that apply to all others seeking to enter the US." Some of the laws should not exist. So you're missing the point entirely. Immoral law should not be followed - and I have no damning words to a man who's great crime was wanting to work in America and not wanting to wait years to get here. Would that more Americans had that drive. I was going to say "I'll raise the American flag high, just for you," but upon some thought, no, I won't. I'll raise it high for me.

20 As you should, MiB, as you should. And I will say this, if more of those dumb butts in California thought like you, there would not be a problem.

21 Jesusland Joe: "I don't think you know the first thing about what our actual immigration laws are. You just conveniently call them "restrictive" in order to rationalize your lawlessness." And I think you're full of shit, and don't care what you "think" or more appropriately do not think.

22 MiB, you must be referring to Carlos.

23 I'll be damned. Yes, I am. My apologies.

24 I always get flamed. lol!

25 Yeah, Carlos, and I get blamed half the time. And I don't think MiB is here illegally, so he gets off the hook on the lawlessness thing. He's one of the good guys.

26 JJ, you know I'm generally not a flamer. But I seem to attract the flaming like a lightning rod. I wonder why? Mayhaps I strike the proverbial nerve?

27 No, you're just dumb. Its like waving away a mosquito.

28 I'm brushing up on my Spanish just in case I have to flee to Mexico. ¿Te gustaria ir a la playa conmigo?

29 Uncontrolled imigration can have very serious consequences. Just ask the Indians. And Carlos as for being flamed.....I'll have to check that put in MPJ archives.

30 Mexicans take the side of jihadists, remember the I wish osama had a hydrogen bomb to drop on that jewish shithole manhatten. http://www.kirkbytv.com/index2.htm View video there. Also, after that, and the link before I sent, check this one out: http://www.forward.com/articles/7589 Talk about backing the wrong horse on this issue, this is bound to backfire.

31 Go push your wares somewhere else, av, we're trying to have an adult conversation. Geez, you people are everywhere. Don't call us, we'll call you.

32 Hey adult videos, are there any pictures of Jill Carroll on that site?

33 Bob, Let bluto get around to despamming him.

34 The virulent, Anti - American, illegal immigrant demonstrations we have witnessed in the past few days, all draped in flags other than our own, and claiming this, our land, to be theirs for the taking, and the marked reluctance on the part of Senators and Representatives of both Parties to tackle the project, are indicative of the Culture War going on in America, and are an excellent example of the skirmishes being waged in this struggle! It is tearing the country apart! It is sad to see how after their defeat in 2000, and 2004 Democrats in Congress and the Senate have not dedicated themselves to the business of running the country, or of seeking solutions to the many challenges facing us as a nation in these perilous times of war. Their hatred for President Bush is such, that rather, they have devoted their relentless, focused, undermining efforts, at constantly obstructing, criticizing, and derailing the Bush Administration, even at the expense of our National Security, and of the life of our Soldiers in Iraq; often being the best allies that the insurgents have had in supporting their goals, and providing them with the best source of propaganda used by the enemy against us on Al Jazeera, and all over the world! Of course, they have done so cloaked in their "First Amendment Rights," and under the pretext that being a "dissenter" is not being a "traitor," in spite of all the blatant "comfort and abetting they have given the enemy" with their vicious, vitriolic attacks on the Administration's policies at the expense of endangering our troops, and undermining our efforts!!! These are the ones, whose only dream is winning enough seats back in the coming elections, to "Impeach" President Bush for "wiretapping potential Al Qaeda terrorists" ...while not caring a damn, nor having a plan, about any of the other challenges we are facing....just "wallowing" in anticipatory "political revenge"!!! Then there's the problem of the illegal immigrant invasion, that is verily changing the face of our society and fracturing America! Though I am a Conservative, and have supported President Bush in most of his policies, yet, it is so hateful to hear him say that these illegals, mainly from Mexico, are here because "they are doing jobs that Americans won't do"! Tell that to the myriad of unemployed Americans that have lost their jobs to illegal immigrants, or to those companies that have had to fold because they could not compete with other companies employing them, or to the family of four that can't afford to rent an apartment, because the demand created by the influx of these "swarms" in their community has inflated rent prices way beyond their means; because 20 illegal Mexicans share a two bedroom apartment and the expenses, while a husband and his wife, supporting their two children, are asked to pay as much for the same!!! Add to this the "gang" violence that so much permeates the culture of these immigrants, the drugs, the crime, our overwhelmed failing schools, our over- taxed Health Care systems, Fire, Police, and other public services, and what have you got??? The virtual turning of America into one giant slum, with communities worthy of a third world country! Talk about the deterioration of the "Standard of Living"!!! What is most appalling is to see and hear what such are saying with, utter defiance, and impunity, as Univision's news anchor Jorge Ramos, who is an avowed "open borders - let everyone come" advocate, who would grant American Citizenship to anyone 15 minutes after they have crossed over illegally, who has written several books in Spanish riling and supporting the cause of "unfettered illegal immigration," one of them very cynically, and descriptively, called "La Ola" ("The Wave"), and another called "Morir en el intento" ("To die trying") in which he "glorifies" the courage of those coming over, some of which die in the desert, and instead of discouraging them to undertake such a "dangerous" journey, rather encourages all these illegal immigrants, not to be better Mexicans, Guatemalans, Hondurans or better citizens of wherever they come from and bring about, politically and civilly, better conditions in their countries so that they can have better lives, but rather to come running here, to the "hated" land of the " Pinche Gringos"!!! Of course, being that 98% of Univision's audience in America is comprised of illegal Hispanic immigrants, and that it is also watched across Latin America, where the majority of the population's ultimate dream is to emigrate to America, he's "Preaching to the Choir"... and making a pretty penny doing so! Talk about "vested" interests!!! Anyway, as I stated above, it is appalling to see the likes of Jorge Ramos, on a CNN program from the Cancun Summit, retort to Lou Dobbs in utter cynicism, concerning the 6 to 12 million Hispanic illegal aliens here, and the legislation being presently debated in the Senate: "...well they are here (the Mexican illegal aliens), and they are not going back. What are you going to do about it? " !!!!! Excuse me Mr. Ramos, but do you judge that the American People have descended so low in their "Politically Correct affectation," and their "effeminateness," that you flaunt such a challenge confident in our "inability" to react?!?! Confident in our total surrender to that spirit of "defeatism" Democrats and left wing bomb throwers try so hard to shove down our collective throats every day?!?! Or is it that you believe our "apathy" and unwillingness to "stand for ourselves" has grown to the point where it has finally gotten the better of us, and we are frozen in indecision, and incapable to respond?!?! Want me to tell you what we can do about it Mr. Ramos??? We could round up every darn one of them, pack them in buses, and drive them back across the border!!! That's what! Of course, that would be catastrophic to your "ratings" wouldn't it?!?! Perhaps even you would have to move south of the border then, chasing after your "precious" audience! What? That it would cost 200 Billion??? Put it on the tab!!! With our deficit at its present levels 200 billion more or 200 billion less, is not going to make much heck of a difference!!! Think about it. It would be so nice for lower income Americans to have housing available, and jobs , and schools and services, again, and to see the gangs, the drugs, and the crime "go south" for a change...along with the illegals! Forgive the pun. It is time for the American people to take matters back into their own hands, and not let these "Wormtongues" in Washington get away with once more selling out America to the Lobbyist, Big business, Special Interest groups such as "La Raza," and "Mecha," the Left wing demagogues who see in these illegals nothing more than a future block of 12 million "Democratic votes," and all those others who want open borders and unrestricted immigration out of purely self serving motives, while ignoring the will of the majority of Americans!!! Enough is enough!!! Althor

35 Just remember that when the shooting starts, the government will be on the side of our enemies, no matter who they are.

36 Maybe Asian countries have it right when they use the death penalty to deal with drug traffickers. Certainly would deal a final blow to recidivism.

37 200,000,000,000 dollars, if the problem is solved, would probably save the US money in the long term, as these illegals are costing the taxpayer 10's of billions of dollars a year, plus send several billion to Mexico. I say do whatever it takes to solve this problem, regardless of the cost. I'm sick and tired of it, and I'm pissed. I contacted the Minutemen this morning and volunteered my services, that's how pissed I am.

38 This morning on Fox & Friends they had one “Mr. Lopez” as a guest, who is one of the major organizers of all those on-going “spontaneous” demonstrations we have witnessed on our television screens in last few days, who appeared to announce an upcoming “Day without illegal immigrants” protest, in which he’s urging all illegal immigrants and their sympathizers, to not go to work, school, or shopping, in the hopes of bringing our economy on that day to a halt, to show the “impact” (especially on our lawns and burger joints) of “deporting” all these illegal immigrants, should our Government choose to “enforce” our present laws, and or enact new ones securing our borders, and criminalizing illegal aliens...as well they should! Amongst the many off-the -wall, and inaccurate comments made by this Mexican-American (apparently a contradiction in terms judging by his very own behavior) open borders- unfettered illegal immigration (especially from Mexico), Activist, after engaging in an uninterrupted propagandistic harangue in which he kept talking while rudely ignoring the repeated questions by the show’s hosts, he went to say that “there was no difference” between the European Immigrants that came to America during the latter part of the 19th , and the early part of the 20th centuries, and the swarms of illegal immigrants from Mexico flooding over our border now, because he claims, quote: “That the European immigrants that came to the Eastern Seaboard came illegally into the country too, just like the Mexicans”!!! Can someone please “educate” this gentleman (who apparently must have been smoking “mota”) on “our History,” and remind him that those “huddled masses” that emigrated to America from Europe during the latter part of the 1800s, and during the early 1900s, came here “legally” and were duly processed before being “admitted” to the US?!?! Apparently he’s never heard of “Ellis Island”!!! He also ranted about that old, worn-out argument “that it was not the illegals’ fault they came,” since we are the ones that had “summoned them” here to do “those jobs Americans won’t do” (I am so sick of that argument, with so many Americans that can’t find a job precisely because these illegal immigrants have taken them away!), and that the reason so many were brandishing Mexican, and other flags, during the demonstrations, was that “...they had been so mistreated and abused, after so many years of being illegally here in America, that they felt disenfranchised and had more loyalty to their Homelands than to America” , which begs the question: Then pray tell us, Mr. Lopez, why all the frantic demonstrations, and why do they keep pouring over our borders through every chink, nook, and cranny, like an infestation of roaches coming out of the woodwork, and they don’t just simply go back, or stay, in their “beloved” countries?!?! What monumental, self-serving, hypocrisy!!! All throughout the program, and while spewing his inaccurate, false, propagandistic venom, Mr. Lopez’ appearance, demeanor, and body language spoke volumes of the hatred and resentment he obviously seems to feel for America.... sentiments that apparently, as we have witnessed in these demonstrations he has so fervently helped organize, his fellow Mexican, and other Latino, “illegal immigrants” share!!! And again the question begs asking, if this is not simply the demographic, war-less, invasion of America by these resentful hordes from a foreign country, who believe we stole this, our land, from them, and feel “entitled’ to just come in and take it back from us....what in the hell is?!?! We better open our eyes, and stem this tide...before it is too late!!! Althor