January 02, 2006
Iran Has Uranium Separation Machinery
(Tehran, Iran) This isn't good news.
From DailyTimes.com:
Iran said on Sunday it had developed machinery to separate uranium from its ore, part of the Islamic state's ongoing drive to become self-sufficient in nuclear technology.Although the Iranians deny it, they have been accused of developing a nuclear weapons program. Their frequent belligerent words, coupled with the threat of having a nuclear weapon and a missile delivery system, are not going unnoticed. I wonder how much longer the international community is going to just watch. My guess? Not much longer.The mixer-settler machinery was developed by Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation (IAEO), state television said.
"Unfortunately, because of the problems that exist, it was not possible for us to buy this machine from abroad and we had to build it domestically. Fortunately, we succeeded," an unidentified IAEO official said.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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The scary thing to me is that it doesn't look like they've got a plan; or if they do, everyone clearly isn't on board. Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy!" while you reach for your stick. Calling for all dogs to be wiped from the face of the Earth is unwise until you have that stick firmly in hand.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 02, 2006 11:05 PM (dT1MB)
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I think the best way to win this nuclear war for the United States and the world is not to send one of the US allies such as Turkey or Saudi Arabia to knock Iran's nuclear facility, but to topple the regime from within. If the Allies strike, then Iran will respond with a "smashing" blow to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. And they would strike back, and then Iran's allies would step in to secure their interest : Russia and China. This is surely the predicted scene of WW3. Now the solution is to support the people of Iran to elect a more educated and democratic regime that would responsibly halt its nuclear process with economic rewards from the US. The majority of the Iranian people are sick of this government and are ready for the long awaited democracy. The current fundamental regime is not up for any reasonable talks and they will hug their bombs with all their life. The answer only lies from within, but they need our support.
Posted by: Jimi Olhardy at January 03, 2006 12:05 AM (5eONW)
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The problem with your scenario Jimi, is that toppling the regime from within takes time - and time is rapidly running out. The two arms which give Iran its foreign reach are its proxy armies and soon, it's nuclear strike capability. The latter is the far bigger threat and thus it's essential that an end be put to it. Diplomacy has been tried repeatedly and failed miserably. Almost all of the blame for that can be placed on the US - EU3 group. If their facilities get attacked, Iran will lash out first and foremost at Israel, but it will be a conventional or bio-chem strike, something the Israelis can handle. I don't foresee Russia and China risking a nuclear confrontation over Iran, since the only links are economic and not ideologic. The Iranian people are tired of the oppression and deserve the chance at freedom. Asssistance can be given there, but right now the priority must be given to taking out those nuclear facilities. If another nuclear power were to get word that Iranian missiles or terrorists armed with nukes were on their way to the capital, the same disgruntled Iranaians who want change will not find themselves receiving help to topple their government, but rather a nuclear counterstrike.
Posted by: Graeme at January 03, 2006 05:29 AM (cumGr)
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Agent Smith says Jihadidad is trying to secure his grip within Iran by saying such stupid stuff and that his whole nuclear game is a bluff.
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 03, 2006 06:25 AM (0kwVT)
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And when we lend support and aid to those within and it doesn't turn out right? We will be further maligned and hated as we are now for trying to help others. Or as in the past when things turned out badly. It's been a monumental task in Iraq even with our massive presence there. The Iranians looking for democracy need a lot more than clandestine aid and support. These people have been oppressed so badly for so long, and the ruling party has such tight reigns on them, they won't be able to overturn the Mullahs anymore than the Iraqis were able to get rid of Saddam on their own. Jimi Olhardy's scenario of toppling them from within is ideal but not even remotely likely.
Personally, I think the ONLY chance is for someone to take out their nuclear facilities. And soon.
Posted by: Oyster at January 03, 2006 07:25 AM (YudAC)
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Weird huh - I agree - with - Smith - but - we could be wrong - shit happens.
Posted by: hondo at January 03, 2006 09:34 AM (3aakz)
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I hate to say this, but the Agent may be right in this case. I think Iran is posturing, and does not have the bomb.
Bombing their nuclear facilities should be ruled out for the moment. I say wait for a little while longer.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 03, 2006 10:06 AM (rUyw4)
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Okay - maybe I'm being rash. They're not exactly known for being truthful, are they?
Posted by: Oyster at January 03, 2006 10:26 AM (osKlJ)
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I don't agree with the argument that it may all be a bluff, but anything's possible. A good indicator of whether they do plan to aquire nuclear weapons would be simultaneous development of delivery systems. The Shahab missile series is now at Shahab 5 and 6 which may have a range of as much as 6000 km. No one spends all that money to then slap a conventional HE warhead on a long range missile.
Posted by: Graeme at January 03, 2006 11:51 AM (cumGr)
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Graeme:
Also they resist all attempts to replace weapon grade enrichment facilities with ones that are more suited to civilian Nuclear power generation (like the offer to swap their hard water facility, for light.)
This coupled with the fact they put their civilian program under control of the military (Revolutionary Guard) and are attempting to make purchases from North Korea of missile technology (Rodong missile) and they're seeking high-tech air defense systems.
I don't believe Iran is playing p-oker, and I believe they might be even further a long that we expect, I heard the CIA said in the late 90's there was high probability that Iran purchased a bomb from one of the Balkan break away states (maybe for reverse-engineering.)
The world cannot let Iran get Nuclear weapons, not only because of their radical leaders, but because of the high probability of Iran prolificating weapons through the Islamic world.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 01:17 PM (CcXvt)
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Additionally Dave, is the massive expense of concealling the facilities. In other countries with civilian programs, the research and generation structures are on or near the surface. The Iranians have buried their systems as deep as they can and that doesn't come cheap, nor does it lend itself to easily establishing a nationwide generation system. In 2004 there was an article that mentioned a building that the IAEA had targeted for inspection. Before they could do so, the building was torn down and all the debris removed - even the first few inches of top soil. Something important and not above board had to have been going on there.
Posted by: Graeme at January 03, 2006 04:45 PM (cumGr)
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Besides the nuke & Israel issues - Iran's president & mullahs have been giving tons of speeches of late internal to Iran reference "cultural problems and failings" and "addressing" them.
This is what I'm concerned about - and I believe this is what outside intel is watching. Everything else may well be directly related to this "internal game".
Iran's Islamic revolution is failing badly where it counts - the only things that have been propping it up has been oil revenues (increased prices and production) and controlled elections.
Posted by: hondo at January 04, 2006 01:10 PM (3aakz)
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Time for an invasion, or a spread of tactical nukes. I'm good with either.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 04, 2006 01:25 PM (0yYS2)
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I'm in favor of the latter rather than the former, Improb. Dead mullahs fling no bombs.
Posted by: MegaTroopX at February 01, 2006 12:56 AM (yT/Rw)
Horrid Rotten Babykillers
Ayup, that's our military. When they're not shoving hot pokers up some poor sob's butt, they're doing terrible things to Iraqi children.
Best of luck and well wishes for a successful surgery.
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it was reported in boston herald on 12/29/05 how a father (in name only) slit the throat of his daughters for "honor"
i remember how when Israel sent military units into southern Lebanon when Pres. Reagan was our leader, that Israeli forces found soviet made missles hidden in the bedroom of the children of Lebanon. in addition i also remember how during the 8 year war between saddam hussein and khomeni the children of these nations were forced to walk thru fields that were suspected to have landmines in order to clear the fields of the landmines. methinks that with the exception of Judaism and Christianity the religions that arouse out of the middle east is the common denominator that makes parents forget the natural feelings parents have for their children.
and being new to this website and looking around the comment i saw where some one said without Israel there would be no problem. i think the readers of this website would be interested in a book i bought named jihad, history from the 7th century to the 21st century, and the author of this book is Paul Fregosi. the publisher for this book is Prometheus Books. isbn is 1-57392-247-1 (my copy is hardcover) and it was published in 1998(my copy)
i think the readers would be interested to know that Fregosi's book describes in the Armenian massacre by the ottomans, the jihadist even opened the graves of the dead because of the vicious nature of jihad.
and in massachusetts court system, the turkish government has filed a lawsuit to prevent the teaching of the Armenian massacre.
so is it true the claim jihad would not be a problem if there was no Israel? the Armenians suffering mentioned above was in 1915 and Israel became a reality in 1948.
Posted by: red state voter in a blue state at January 02, 2006 07:06 PM (BZHuI)
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Red state voter,
Most people on this website are very familiar with the genocide of the Armenians by the Ottoman Turks. But that was only one of many slaughters of innocent people perpetuated by the Turks during the 600 year reign of the jihad, or gaza as they sometimes called it.
I am also familiar with Paul Fregosi's work, Jihad in the West, and I would also refer you to Robert Spencer's new book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades. You may also be interested in an earliar massacre of the Christian peoples of Anatolia during the initial invasion of the Seljuk Turks. There are graphic examples of that slaughter if you care to read them. They are horrible, and I do not recommend them unless you have a strong stomach.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 07:34 PM (rUyw4)
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A great heartwarming story - a lousy topic title - and two unrelated and bizzare (given the story) comments.
Am I the only one finding this weird?
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 08:08 PM (3aakz)
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Whachoo talking about Willis?
That's a great title. Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.
I've given up on trying to keep comments on point. I just delete the emails now.
And if anyone would know weird, it would be hondo.
heh.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 02, 2006 08:29 PM (Kr6/f)
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Vinnie,
I love the title. Buncha meanies.
Posted by: thirdee at January 02, 2006 08:34 PM (Erbx5)
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hey, is that the hamburgler holding the kid?
Posted by: mlah at January 02, 2006 08:40 PM (LhiLo)
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vinnie
I understand the point your making - and essentially agree - but it kinda helps in a way to lead astray.
Simple point - a great story when stories like these and successes are needed - and often ignored (deliberately) ...
... but sadly, it will now probably be ignored again - here.
50 bucks says follow up comments zoom off into bizzaroland of Bush lied/Islam sucks/its those Jews again!
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 08:41 PM (3aakz)
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Two things:
The story about the US soldiers who discovered the spina bifida baby and brought her to the US for treatment is just one of many hundreds over the past year which have highlighted the humanity of our soldiers. I can never say enough or praise the US military in the way that it deserves. Most of us who post regularly on this blog are either veterans or part of the military family. My dad is retired from the Army.
And yes, I comment off topic, but I sincerly thought I was helping give a first time reader a clearer picture of the average Jawa reader. He seems to have misunderstood what he read, and I wanted to help him. Other times I post OT for fun, to argue, because I feel cross, and sometimes just for the hell of it. But most of the time I respond to other readers and their posts, and the post at hand. If I am out of line, I am never too old to learn.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 09:19 PM (rUyw4)
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It's ok, JJ.
Now go stand in the corner.
Okay, you can come out now.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 02, 2006 09:45 PM (Kr6/f)
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YOU CALL THAT PUNISHMENT!
I WANNA HEAR ... "YES SIR! CAN I HAVE ANOTHER!"
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 10:02 PM (3aakz)
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I can almost hear certain people blaming the United States' use of depleted uranium weapons for the birth defects.
Posted by: Matthew at January 03, 2006 05:00 AM (Y4Y6B)
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Agent Smith says all the millions of Iraqi children deserve better hospital care.
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 03, 2006 06:27 AM (0kwVT)
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And that is what they will get Mr. Agent if you and your allies will quit helping the insurgents and terrorists in Iraq.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 03, 2006 10:10 AM (rUyw4)
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Armenians(second class christians) fought against the Turks under the cover of the French.
There are millions of Armenians still in Turkey who aren't running away from their lying, sinful past.
What the Ottoman Turks did was wrong, just like the improsonment of 28,000 Vietnamese without trial and the execution of 20,000 Vietnamese(Operation Pheonix CIA) by the USA.
Oh, the humanity of the American soldiers.
WHen they kill civillians its collateral damage yet when Iraqi's kill soldiers its 'terrrorism'.
Its the AMerican Army who used the chemical agent phosphorous in Fallujah ( I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was the insurgents).
Its the American Army who sexually abused the prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail.( a lot of humanity their).
Oh and in Palestine, was it not the American Army equipment that killed all the innocent civillians.
If the Saudi Arabia was to take $1 out of America, America would lose $70.
Posted by: Amaad at January 04, 2006 03:00 AM (l8gSf)
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Hey amaad, does your dad still bugger little boys? And since we're on the subject, does your butt still sting?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 04, 2006 09:15 AM (0yYS2)
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Improbulus r u still a muther fucker who can't suck his own dick coz its too small, and does your dad still spoon feed his spunk to your mum as though she's got no entry hole coz its located on your forehead. Do u still suck ur brothers dick cz I think he's gonna leave youra and suck mine.
U R A SMALL-MINDED,PREJUDICED,GAY,SHIT-FACED,MUTHERFUCKER.
Posted by: Amaad at January 04, 2006 10:25 AM (l8gSf)
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Vinnie - we can blame JJ (hee hee)
Posted by: hondo at January 04, 2006 01:36 PM (3aakz)
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50 bucks! - will that be check or Credit Card
Posted by: hondo at January 04, 2006 01:50 PM (3aakz)
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Well, I tried to correct my misstep. Dammit, every time you try to help someone, you get stepped on. That'll be cash, hondo. Crow is pretty expensive these days.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 04, 2006 04:49 PM (rUyw4)
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mr amaad
my United States has in 225 years of history has created more prosperity for not only citizens of the United States but also for many other citizens of the world and the United States doesn't have a continuing impovershment like in present day Iraq which had something like 5000 years of history. which is the a quicker time 225 years or 5000 years? it certainly says something about my United States as compared to what you try to potray as utopia.
in addition my United States foreign affairs has liberated other nations such as when the gestapo overran europe, and does not remain an occuppying power unlike other nations example the soviet union. mistakes were certainly made in the cold war, but that is minor because the citizens of the United States wanted to insure their childrens future against a malignant political movement where destroyed because in the soviet union even the poems you wrote would send you to the gulag's and/or be victims of assault and battery or being a murder victim.
and i also will comment on seeing in various writings on the web those who are critical of America who think they are clever by spelling America in german using "k", it was the german gestapo who used zyklon b to poison gas people, this does not happen in America, just like in abu garab, knowing how saddam used electric drills on human beings in abu garab, it makes anyone with a rational mind think so what if someone had underwear on their head at abu garab.
Posted by: red state voter in a blue state at January 04, 2006 10:39 PM (BZHuI)
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mr amaad
it wasn't America military equipment that attack the school children in Russia in September 2004. your comments on the Armenians i find to be ridiculous since i have friends who are Armenian.
my concern for my daughter's future makes me concerned about you and your political movement motivated by religion.
there is a psychologist named maslow who wrote how a rational person makes decisions. maslow described on the most fundemental level (first) are decisions concerning survival (example where is the food coming from). the next level up (second) is concerns for security (example is some one trying to murder me) the third level is to gain a sense of belonging. the fourth level is to gain a sense of self esteem. and the fifth and highest level is seeking self actualization (example what hobbies will interest me) [however liberals are the exception to this]
i get concerned about my daughter's future is described by maslow's second level(security). mr amaad that is because you preach hating Jews. there is a saying that goes like this: the german gestapo came after the Jews, but i wasn't a Jew so i did nothing. then the gestapo came after the trade unionist, but i wasn't a trade unionist so i did nothing. then the gestapo came after the Catholics but i wasn't a Catholic so i did nothing. then the gestapo came after the Gypsies and i wasn't a Gypsie so i did nothing. Finally they came after me and since noone was left, no body did anything. in addition after hitler's armies were retreating from the allied armies led by the United States, and the allied armies liberated the concentration camps, they found the concentration camps had stockpiled enough zyklon b to kill every Jewish person left on the earth AND in addition to another 20,000,000 people.
in addition mr amaad, Arab television has broadcast the protocols of the elders of zion, years after the protocols of the elders of zion was proved to be a LIE produced by a czarist bureacrat.
in addition liberals (your allies mr amaad) doesn't qualify as rational because the liberal is a true beliver in socialism whose minds are obsessed by the idea they will be the leaders of a socialist paradise and thus on top of the food chain just like their heros the criminals who ruled the soviet union from the kremlin never went hungry while at the same time the ordinary citizens of Russia had to endure hunger spells. because of this socialist dream of the liberals they are treasonous and would sacrafice the lives of others (which means my daughter would be included) to obtain their elevated status. so that is the reason why liberals are your allies mr amaad.
so how can i trust my daughter's safety with your ideas mr amaad. in fact i think i can accurately describe your political movement as a MALIGNANT political movement.
Posted by: red state voter in a blue state at January 05, 2006 04:47 AM (BZHuI)
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mr red state.
I am not a Jewish hater.
I have many freinds who are jews.
(emais can be provided)
I am not a political movement, I take no interest in politics except to expose false ideologies, lies and groups.
As your specific talk about Zionism. I do not belive as them as true jews. Jews(the Children of Israel as the Quran calls them) were punished by God for continiong disobediance. They may not make a State of Isreal until the return of the messia also why was the initial talks of the zionists to make a jewish state in uganda?
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism.htm#judaism
http://www.nimn.org/
http://www.harunyahya.com/palestine01.php
As you can see many jews are against Zionism.
Zionism is a political movement not a religous movement
I do not hate the jews. I respect them just like the Quran says to do so. I belive Jews alongside Christians, Sabians and Zoarastarians can got to heaven just like Muslims.
When i was in Pakistan, I visited a military town called Wah Cannt near Islamabad and Rawalpindi. there opposite my hosts house was a catholic church, 1 and 1/2 mile down the road was a mosque and 6 miles down was an unofficial synangogue. these three houses of God respected each others religon, made frequent visits to local schools etc without any prejudice from any person.
As about your daughter, don't worry.
I feel the same fear when I walk in my town. I feel the prejudice for being calling myself a muslim. I see lies being spread about my religon. My religon being attacked. I see anti-islamic political groups in my local area, preaching hate in the pubs.
(See the BBC program entitled the secret policeman and the BNP)
If you want to know the truth about my religon go to:
www.islamalways.com
www.islamyesterday.com
www.islamtoday.com
www.islamtommorow.com
As you know many muslims died in the 7/7 and 9/11 attacks.
i will give my comments about America and their foreign policies at a later time. Until then
c u
p.s= keep on checking this blog for my views on america
p.p.s= i'll also give my opinions on the armenians later as well
Posted by: Amaad at January 05, 2006 01:45 PM (l8gSf)
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Who made the most profit from the war in Iraq and who will make more money if there is a war against Iran.
Posted by: Amaad at January 05, 2006 01:57 PM (l8gSf)
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mr amaad
your reference to Armenians being second class Christian and that the Armenians still aren't running from their lying sinful pastin one posting, and in another posting you mentioned friendship with Jewish people. i sense the possiblity of change of character in a time period that is quick in comparison to turnaround times on the internet. i will teach my daughter when she is old enough to understand to beware of this type of situation, just as i will teach her to beware of people do stuff such as their hand will go to their face when answering a question, and people whose gestures are stiff or mechanical. there are many other things i will teach her so she will be well prepared for the way the world is.
i do notice what appears as changes in personality.
Posted by: red state voter in a blue state at January 07, 2006 06:38 AM (BZHuI)
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sorry mate. Same personality.
Posted by: Amaad at January 08, 2006 05:45 AM (l8gSf)
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sHOW ME WHERE PRIOR I HAVE SAID I HATE JEWS.
Posted by: Amaad at January 08, 2006 09:08 AM (l8gSf)
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iam a faithful chritail ; i k,ow is only Go
d that owns man s life ; so i nee to hold him ; by his feet ; so that he can enpower me to
do all things in my life ; with this i nee
d his close savants to put me through
Posted by: jacobbrow, at February 02, 2006 02:49 PM (7WJGK)
The Blog Sabbath Caption Contest: Let This Be A Lesson Edition
Caption this photo of Dr. Drunken Schnockeredford Dr. Rusty Shackleford celebrating Amateur Night New Year's Eve, 2005:
Remember, kids, don't drink and drive.
You might spill it.
Happy New Year from my family to you and yours!
Fatwas will be issued Monday.
Fatwas issued:
DCarter, for "Look, everbody! Rusty's really baked this time"
lawhawk, for "That's what happens when you take the red stapler off my speeder..."
Bubbe, for "Get the bicycle pump, boys. He's done it again."
Honorable mention to hondo, for sheer tenacity.
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Agent Smith says he will be watching your erratic driving and will be one of the cops who pulls you over for endangering The Architect's valuable crops.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 31, 2005 08:22 PM (X9zNj)
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Crossin' the highway late last night
He shoulda looked left and he shoulda looked right
He didn't see the station wagon, car
The jawa got squashed and there you are
(chorus)
You got yer
Dead jawa in the middle of the road
Dead jawa in the middle of the road
Dead jawa in the middle of the road
Stinkin' to high heaven
Take a whiff on me that ain't no rose
Roll up yer window and hold yer nose
You don't have to look and you don't have to see
'Cause you can feel it in your ol' factory
(chorus)
Yeah, you got yer dead cat
And you got yer dead dog
On a moonlight night you got yer dead toad frog
Got yer dead rabbit and yer dead raccoon
The blood and the guts
They're gonna make you swoon
You got yer dead jawa, in the middle
Dead jawa in the middle of the road
Dead jawa in the middle of the road
Stinkin' to high heaven
C'mon stink
---- Instrumental Interlude ----
You got it
It's dead, it's in the middle
Dead jawa in the middle
Dead jawa in the middle of the road
Stinkin' to high heaven
All over the road
Technicolor man
Oh, you got pollution
It's dead, it's in the middle
And it's stinkin' to high, high heaven
Posted by: hondo at December 31, 2005 08:43 PM (3aakz)
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Who . . . moved . . . ladder?
Posted by: D. Carter at December 31, 2005 09:41 PM (xT77+)
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Help me Rachel Corrie, you're my only hope.
Posted by: dave at December 31, 2005 11:10 PM (CcXvt)
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Now THAT was a light show
Posted by: RepJ at January 01, 2006 12:52 AM (M7kiy)
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Rusty's wife: "Rusty, I'm tired you expecting me to pick your dirty clothes up off the floor. What did your last slave die of?"
Posted by: Oyster at January 01, 2006 07:30 AM (YudAC)
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Memo #19
Attn: Imperial Ground Assault Unit Conduct
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Operation of AT-ATs while drunk and simultaneously partying with Mos Isley hookers can be dangerous. Photographs like the one above are embarassing and the Empire's legal team has expressed its anger at possibly having to face yet another one of Rev. Jesse Jawa's "Racist Empire" lawsuits. Any more incidents like this and the Empire may have to undertake expensive PR exercises like "Jawa History Month" and construction of even more Imperial Cultural Diversity Education and Racial Harmony Centres. The more money gets wasted on projects like these, the less money there is for fighting rebels. Unit leaders will be held responsible for the conduct of their troopers.
Imperial Ground Assault HQ
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Memo #20
Attn: Imperial Ground Assault Unit Orders
1) After making comments at a recent telethon that "The Emperor doesn't care about Jawas", all units are advised to be on the lookout and arrest on sight, the droid entertainer known as Kanye CP3West.
2) Should any more accidents involving Jawas occur, units are advised to at least try to dispose of the body. Instructions can be found in the manual for the ultra secret, Operation Hoffa. Alternatively, the same instructions can be found in last month's edition of the New Mos Isley Times - front page, paragraph 3.
Imperial Ground Assault HQ
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Posted by: Graeme at January 01, 2006 07:51 AM (S769q)
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Look, everbody! Rusty's really baked this time
Posted by: D. Carter at January 01, 2006 10:48 AM (xT77+)
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Dont ever drink suarian brandy or romulan ale when driving a sandcrawler you will flatten MOS EILELIES space port
Posted by: sandpiper at January 01, 2006 02:06 PM (JtcRt)
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Oh my god. The quarterback was toast. Let this be a warning to anyone who puts a Jawa in as QB, especially with the Texans' o-line in front of you...
That's what happens when you take the red stapler off my speeder...
After a night partying at the DNC, Jawa realized that waking up next to Cindy Sheehan isn't such a good idea...
Posted by: lawhawk at January 01, 2006 10:07 PM (eR/bY)
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Get the bicycle pump, boys. He's done it again.
Posted by: Bubbe at January 02, 2006 09:03 AM (cbAi4)
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"Alright! Nuthin' to see here! Now move along!"
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 01:20 PM (3aakz)
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Grissom: "You know - fleas will abandon the host body once temperature falls to a cetain point - dependant of course on ambviant air and weather conditions - and factors like solar heating - reference absorption/reflection factors of clothing, surrounding soil types ..."
Brass: "Its a dead Jawa - I don't give a fuck."
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 01:30 PM (3aakz)
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BUSH DID IT!
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 01:37 PM (3aakz)
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NOOOOO! IT WAS ... THE JEWS!
(greg's not here so count that entry in his name)
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 01:38 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Smith - Jawa 1.2 has crashed - again - please reboot and restore.
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 01:42 PM (3aakz)
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Although only finding the one glove connected made some suspect Michael Jackson, Columbus police say they are looking for former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett. Should you spot Mr. Clarett, do not try to arrest him. He may be dangerous, and, unclothed.
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 02, 2006 02:34 PM (DqC14)
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"Oon tee... SPLAT!"
Posted by: Ariya at January 02, 2006 08:47 PM (uxW3N)
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Damn! I SO should have trademarked "Caption This."
Posted by: V the K at January 03, 2006 06:23 AM (5npD/)
Storm blogging
Although I could get used to this strange "day off" stuff and tele-commutes I have a big storm rolling in so I'll be brief (looks outside too late hailing).
See Vonski's 12/30 wrap up on positive news in the GWOT.
Vonski: Happy New Year to all! Especially to our soldiers and contractors overseas who have made it their resolution to bring democracy and peace to a region that for millenia has been mired in strife and enmity. The people who thought that all of this could be accomplished in two years have no perspective of history, the cultures involved, nor any concept of what it takes for a country to rebuild its governmental, civil, and military infrastructure.
Amen.
See in the Right place for daily care and feeding of your new new moonbat. Another example of why you should not buy pets for Christmas.
The Right Place : It has come to our attention here at The Right Place that many people foolishly purchased moonbats as pets for themselves or their children during this holiday season. While the appeal of keeping these hideously ugly, ill-tempered, high-pitched screeching wonders of nature as housepets truly eludes us, we hope to perform a public service by presenting these helpful tips for caring for your new pet, courtesy of the world's foremost moonbat expert, Dr. Wayne Bruce
Have a good one. Storm over, I'm going to go eat a BLT and relax a bit on Monday off.
Updated: Link fixed for Mr. Right. I was not online long. Sorry about that I can break a steel ball with a rubber hammer some days. Yes we had rain and hail too. That afternoon got a good trembler. A 3.6 earthquake that shook my desk. Just a little rumble.
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Hi, Howie.
I appreciate the mention and the trackback...
but where is the LINK?
LOL! It's okay, we all make mistakes! Happy New Year!
Posted by: Mr. Right at January 02, 2006 01:13 PM (HC3qR)
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Howie, send some of that rain to Texas. Man, we are hurting for it. Fires are all around us here in Abilene today.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 09:36 PM (rUyw4)
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Mr. Right, I managed to find it without the link. Funny stuff!
Posted by: Oyster at January 03, 2006 05:53 AM (YudAC)
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Well F*ck me a running sorry about that link fixed.
Posted by: Howie at January 03, 2006 03:00 PM (D3+20)
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That's okay, Howie.
Thanks for fixing the link!
And Oyster - thanks for the props!
Posted by: Mr. Right at January 03, 2006 03:43 PM (wEnMi)
January 01, 2006
Al Jazeera Crew Arrested Photographing Security Features of US Base In Kabul
From The Peninsula:
KABUL: US forces yesterday arrested three employees of the Al Jazeera TV channel for filming near a US base here, but later released them. Correspondent Waliullah Shaheen, cameraman Nasir Hashimi and driver Mahmood Agha were filming the removal of concrete block barriers which had been installed outside all military bases and offices of foreigners for protection. “We were arrested and detained by coalition for an hour, then handed over to Afghan police, who kept us for four hours before releasing us,” Shaheen said. “The American soldiers confiscated five telephones and our camera, and kept it,” he added. A US military spokesman, Lieutenant Mike Cody, said the three were held after they were seen “filming security features in the vicinity of Camp Eggers in Kabul”.Al Jazeera claims that:
But Samir Allawi, Aljazeera's Kabul bureau chief, said the team was merely following up on the Afghan government's plan to remove all illegal cement barriers blocking 48 Kabul roads, causing traffic problems.Yeah, that's the ticket. A television network seen all over the world had a three-man crew watching Afghans remove traffic barriers. Okay.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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Don't they have a terrorist somewhere to interview?
Funny that, as indignant as they can be, they weren't filming these barriers before complaining about their illegality.
Posted by: Oyster at January 02, 2006 03:53 AM (YudAC)
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Agent Smith says that if you think Al-Jazeera keeps an eye on your stupid human grotesqueries, meet the Agents.
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 02, 2006 06:22 AM (b1Uko)
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Given Al Jazeera's undisputed support of terrorist attacks (and that case of terrorism support in Spain a while back), they really can't complain if someone automatically becomes suspicious of their presence. Suprisingly though, Al Jazeera's take on it wasn't what I expected. I was expecting to read about the air strikes that were called in against their van and the beatings and torture that they underwent during interrogation.
Posted by: Graeme at January 02, 2006 07:53 AM (R/kPF)
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Agents, meet my Socom II. Your grotesqueries would be fun to watch. Ever heard of dancing, western style?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 08:43 AM (rUyw4)
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CNN needed a story eh?
Posted by: thirdee at January 02, 2006 10:56 AM (vGl7L)
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Agent Smith asks Jesusland Joe, "catch your sausage yet?"
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 03, 2006 06:27 AM (0kwVT)
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Agent Smith,
Go to the comment section of the Happy New Year post for your answer.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 03, 2006 10:22 AM (rUyw4)
Schumer Seeks Excuses For NSA Leaks
In a remarkably disingenuous statement, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NYC), has telegraphed the political shenanigans Democrats will employ to exploit the security leaks that exposed US tactics in the War on Terror. The Justice Department recently announced that they will investigate the sources used by the New York Times in their stories about monitoring of international phone calls and emails between Americans and suspected al Qaeda operatives. And rightly so; whoever leaked to the NYT should spend a few years in Leavenworth.
Schumer is setting up the rationale for excusing acts that damaged national security interests. To put a point on it, he's suborning treason for political purposes.
From the Associated Press via Yahoo!News:
WASHINGTON - The investigation into leaks about a domestic spying program should determine whether the motivation was damaging security or revealing a potentially illegal activity, a Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee said Sunday.Schumer is incorrect."There are differences between felons and whistleblowers, and we ought to wait 'til the investigation occurs to decide what happened," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.
There is a process for Federal employees to become officially recognized as whistleblowers through the US Office of the Inspector General. Recognition by the OIG protects the employee from retaliatory employment actions, and triggers an OIG investigation of the charges made by the whistleblower.
It's not enough to simply declare oneself a whistleblower. And whistleblower disclosures are never sanctioned to outside agents, including and especially the Press.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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Bluto
On a personal level - Schumer's our own fault. Republican Party or any alternative is non-existant in NYS.
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 11:40 AM (3aakz)
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True. Nearly half of New Yorkers (those outside the NYC Metro area) are not represented in the Senate, or in Presidential elections. I don't see a solution short of making NYC a separate state, and that's not going to happen as long as the plump upstate cow can be milked.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 01, 2006 11:50 AM (RHG+K)
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Staten Island tried breaking away - but to no avail. All true, but Bluto - the Albany region is pretty blue too.
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 11:57 AM (3aakz)
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Wow, look at all the misinformation here!
The OIG can't help you when the illegal activity stems from an executive order of the President.
And they aren't able to do anything substantive for whistleblowers anyway, let alone keep them from being retaliated against.
When the President commits an illegal act, the press is about the only place you can go.
Posted by: IO ERROR at January 01, 2006 12:21 PM (vhWf1)
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ERROR,
if it's illegal, then impeach him. But it's not illegal.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 12:29 PM (8e/V4)
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The Justice Dept. needs to go after the people who leaked the NSA story just exactly like they went after the people who leaked the info on Plame. Anyone who says any different is a hypocrit of monumental proportions.
Jail the reporters, do whatever it takes within the law to find the traitors. Then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. These traitors need to be punished.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 12:48 PM (rUyw4)
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IO ERROR: you have lived up to your name. You don't know what you're talking about.
I have been a whistleblower. I do.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 01, 2006 12:49 PM (RHG+K)
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JJ,
the difference between the NSA leak and the Plame leak is that the former actually impacts our national security, and the latter was just gotcha politics.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 12:56 PM (8e/V4)
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True, Carlos, but the libs have blazed the way on this one, and now we need to make them toe the line. No matter what they say, we should keep the pressure on, no matter what.
Now we have their butts in the furnace, and I say turn the fire up. Don't let up one tiny bit. Use their own rhetoric against them, do whatever it takes to get these traitors and get them in jail.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 01:24 PM (rUyw4)
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I'm tired of the Democrats coming up with bogus reasons to legitimize their inexcusable political games. It's time Schumer and his ilk were voted out of office.
Posted by: RepJ at January 01, 2006 01:26 PM (6krEN)
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JJ,
agreed. We have their balls in a vice now, and they're going to try to politicize their way out of it. But it won't work. If Bush got caught doing something "illegal", then impeach him already and have done with it. But it's not illegal, and their balls aint going nowhere.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 01:29 PM (8e/V4)
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Really, I'm going to enjoy watching the Democrats gyrating in every direction trying to cover their asses. It is truly going to be funny, and I await it with anticipation, starting today with the dumb ass Schumer.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 01:34 PM (rUyw4)
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Listening to calls going across the US border is no different than searching me and my stuff when I reenter the US on Wednesday. They can and will go through everything as you have no rights when it comes to Immigration and Customs rights to rifle through your things, your cellphones, your computer, your wallet, and ask you questions about why you have certain things and where you have been.
So what makes a phone call so special? If I mail some goods back to avoid customs, they still have the right to open the box. This is lots of hot air. The open issue is that the story claims that the Govt didn't listen to all calls. When I was living here I was under the assumption that I was being listened too. But then I must be smarter than these Democrats. Too bad they were smart enough to get elected!
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If Bush is really out to get you, why isn't your butt in gitmo?
New Yorkers are smart. Hilary tried to move into their state, and they sent her right back to DC!
Posted by: Fred Fry at January 01, 2006 01:36 PM (7N3qE)
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Another point, Carlos, the people who leaked the NSA story are traitors and need to be dealt with as traitors, not merely as people who just broke the law because they disagreed with the practice. I would like to see them prosecuted as the traitors they are, and whatever the ultimate sentence is for treason, it should be enforced if these people are found guilty.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 01:40 PM (rUyw4)
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Chucky Schumer is himself a real pain in the rear he just canta ct with enough common sense be get it all streight he should just resign and save his fool face
Posted by: sandpiper at January 01, 2006 02:01 PM (JtcRt)
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"The War on Terror"
Every time I see that phrase I wince. I think it's a horrible propaganda strategy. By declaring "war" on terrorism we're dignifying every terrorist as a soldier rather than what they are, criminals.
It's an important distinction. Soldiers, even those who fight and kill our soldiers, have done no wrong. They deserve to be treated honorably so long as they fight honorably. Terrorists are criminals. They are not conscripted to fight under the laws of their nation; their acts are violations of the laws of their own people (and everyone else's.) The only difference between their crimes and other murders and kidnappings is their cause. When we make terrorism special we make their cause special too, and this can only encourage them.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 01, 2006 02:04 PM (dT1MB)
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Shannon,
You must be one miserable guy. There is nothing that you don't find fault with. Geez, man, it is a war whether you like it or not, and it does not dignify these terrorists, no matter what you say.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 02:18 PM (rUyw4)
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hondo in a cynical Blofeld (I still have the cat) moment -
What if its ... "not leaked"?
What if its ... "planted".
Can the MSM be both "enemy" and "gullible fool"?
How do you thwart a domestic opponent? Noooo - you don't kill them ... you "use" them.
Programs apparently ... dated ... n' scaled back.
Targets specific ... and accepted consciously & "subconsciously" by majority of both political persuasions.
Big elections '06
Pity "successes" can not be exposed (classified) ... unless
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 02:22 PM (3aakz)
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>>>Soldiers, even those who fight and kill our soldiers, have done no wrong. They deserve to be treated honorably so long as they fight honorably. Terrorists are criminals.
Shannon,
This is a WAR, not a criminal prosecution. Bill Clinton thought it was a criminal prosecution too, and that's why he didn't take Osama bin Laden into custody when Sudan offered him the opportunity. He claimed not to have had enough evidence to hold them. That attitute is directly responsible for 9/11. Liberal morons.
Soldiers fighting for Hitler did plenty wrong, and we hung lots of them. So no problem if they want to call themselves "soldiers". And, by the way, jihadist "soldiers" do not fight honorably when they kill and headchop our civilians by the thousands, regardless of what you want to call them.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 03:37 PM (8e/V4)
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Have I spooked the lib/leftists yet?
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 06:30 PM (3aakz)
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Something spooked them because they disappeared. Probably the truth spooked them, as they have no defense against it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 07:43 PM (rUyw4)
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same ole shit, you all still sound like little pussies peeing yourselves continuously. Kill freedom for freedoms sake. How virtuous! Your founding fathers would be on your side for sure (yes stalin and hitler)...you dicks are amazing.
eat shit paste eaters.
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Posted by: ernie at January 01, 2006 08:26 PM (X4Dyg)
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paste eaters????
Who has a copy of Dr Demento's Dictionary?
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 08:31 PM (3aakz)
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ernie,
You little bed-wetting pin head, begone! Before someone gives me your IP address and I hunt you down like the worm you are.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 08:33 PM (rUyw4)
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Maybe - pasta or pasties? Both - what's your point?
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 08:40 PM (3aakz)
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ernie,
when you Libs bring on your "revolution" I hope and pray that you're at the head of that mob. I want it so bad its killing me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 08:41 PM (8e/V4)
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Edible pasties, yeah - sure ... not the tassles though. I'm confused!
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 08:44 PM (3aakz)
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The problem for Dems is most people see the leaks as defacto aimed at getting them killed.
Believe me after 9/11 ordinary people don't live in total denial, they do think about it. The idea that terrorists could "never" attack us at home is dead.
Whats the upside for Dems to be on the side of leakers trying to get the average American killed (by shutting down stuff that oh I dunno actualy WORKS?)
Can someone tell me that? Where's the upside for Dems? Considering that most people figure they are weak on terrorists to begin with?
Posted by: Jim Rockford at January 02, 2006 12:32 AM (4878o)
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Schumer incorrectly thinks this is even remotely like the Plame case whereby when one "leaks" the name of an agent, it has to be that they know they've put someone in danger to be prosecuted. He's trying hard to put these two issues in the same classification. For one thing, Plame was never in danger as proven by the fact that she and Schmoopsie immediately went on the lecture circuit and jaunted all over the country to tout his book.
Posted by: Oyster at January 02, 2006 05:05 AM (YudAC)
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Agent Brown asks, did Improbulus Maximus catch his sausage yet?
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 02, 2006 06:23 AM (b1Uko)
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IM might make sausage out of you dumb ass agents!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 08:45 AM (rUyw4)
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Do you suppose Chucky Shumer would drop the whole domestic spying BS charge if he could be convinced that it was motivated by trying catch terrorists not trample civil librerties?
Or would that motivation make him oppose it even more?
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at January 02, 2006 08:47 AM (DdRjH)
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Stephen, you are right. It is nothing more than Bush Derangement Syndrome. If the NSA discovered a plot to explode a nuclear device in NYC, Schumer would still not be satisfied. It's not about the intelligence.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 09:18 AM (rUyw4)
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ernie:
As the NSA routinely intercepts communications throughout the globe, some of which is intercepted in foreign countries, could you please tell me how the law is being broken? especially when the intercept is being initiated by an inbound communication to a person living inside the United States ?
Could you also explain the difference of intercepting a phone call from a foreign country to a U.S citizen, versus the U.S Customs checking the content of a package sent to a U.S citizen from abroad?
Why is it illegal to check suspected terrorist communications originating from abroad, but it is legal to intercept U.S citizens mail from abroad and search them?
Posted by: dave at January 02, 2006 10:12 AM (CcXvt)
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Left or right It seems that every one always thinks that the laws should only apply to others. Honesty is always the best policy: at some point the truth almost always comes out. Not always but usually. And name calling and threats tsk tsk tsk I still remember when IM called me a bed wetter. It really hurt and I told my mom.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 02, 2006 10:41 AM (ads7K)
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Really, John, you should move out of your mother's house. They have a name for the malady that afficts you, but hey, since you deep-sixed the name calling, I will just say it is the malady without a name. But, on the plus side, happy New Year to you and your mother!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 11:09 AM (rUyw4)
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poor ernie would SHOCKED, SHOCKED to learn that our government has every right to check inbound packages too (let alone phone calls), and to do body cavity searches at customs. Can you imagine the shitstorm of hysteria when the Libs finally figure that one out. Of course, it's all "Bush's" doing.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2006 12:03 PM (8e/V4)
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lil' ernie is a troll
lil' ernie stops by to screech and rage solely to get a re-action.
lil' ernie will not engage - that's not what he wants.
lil' ernie wants your attention (of any kind), like a child wants ice cream.
So, why in God's name do some of you keep givin' this kid ice cream?
He is solely a theme to practice one-line jokes off.
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 01:11 PM (3aakz)
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The same reason we feed the dumb ass agents. Just for the fun of it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 02:37 PM (rUyw4)
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hondo's Charlie Brown moment ...
Aaarrrggghhhh!!!!
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 05:58 PM (3aakz)
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"Good grief, hon.., er, Charlie Brown"!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 06:33 PM (rUyw4)
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And poor john ryan still thinks the truth prevails. The truth comes at a cost and is far too painful for most.
Posted by: Oyster at January 02, 2006 07:21 PM (YudAC)
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This is truly dissapointing...42 previous comments and not one "put-a-bullet-in-the-back-of-a-liberal's-head-and-a-toss-'em-into-a-ditch" call. Maximus on vacation?
Posted by: Artemus Gordon at January 02, 2006 11:08 PM (oxMjD)
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artie:
Do you mean the way her husband Bill acted during his terms, in exactly the same way that President Bush has done? Not a problem. One correction: this was done avec, not sans, Congressional input - where do you think the leak came from?
Btw, you might find this 1982 NYT story interesting:
COURT SAYS U.S. SPY AGENCY CAN TAP OVERSEAS MESSAGES
By DAVID BURNHAM, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (NYT) 1051 words Published: November 7, 1982
A Federal appeals court has ruled that the National Security Agency may lawfully intercept messages between United States citizens and people overseas, even if there is no cause to believe the Americans are foreign agents, and then provide summaries of these messages to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 03, 2006 01:27 AM (RHG+K)
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If we all agree that the needed ends justify these extraordinary means...
artie,
Bill Clinton Signed Executive Order that allowed Attorney General to do searches without court approval
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order."
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
[Now I'll stand back and watch you dance.]
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 02:13 AM (8e/V4)
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What dirty work has this reptile been up to besides being such a liar?
Posted by: sandpiper at January 03, 2006 10:18 AM (8W+Ht)
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artie,
re "superceding" FISA, and "Senate consent", if the Carter and Clinton EO's didn't violate FISA (presumably because they "advised" the Senate), then neither did Bush's order:
BUSH: CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- "A DOZEN TIMES..."
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/17/D8EI32N00.html
RE “if you’re not guilty you have nothing to worry about” school of constitutional law", well that's just too bad then. If it wasn't a story then, then it's not a story now. You don't get to be selective about your outrage.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 10:42 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>"Well, the ones who've spoken out didn't seem to know anything about it.
Because they are not members of the Senate Intelligence Commitee. Advise and consent comes from the committees-- not open sessions of Congress. And if certain politicians are "outraged" that they didn't know about it, boo woop dee doo. They're on the wrong committee.
>>>"I have not seen nor have I heard of one yet who has stepped forward in the President's defense and said, "Wait a second, we knew all about this."
Of course not, they think they have Bush by the balls. And even if they did say that, it wouldn't be reported anyway.
You have yet to show me how this is materially different than the Carter/Clinton EOs. Until you do, this is just gotcha politics. Keep dancing.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 11:01 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>"As far as Bush support "probably not being reported", you lost me there. More of that "MSM" stuff I guess."
Unless you can show me that Dems are in the business of carrying water for Bush, then it's a non-issue that you, Artie, haven't heard Democrat senators rushing to his defense. And even if they did, it wouldn't be reported. I stand by that.
What does George Will say, in particular, about this? I think you would have quoted him already if it was that bad.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 11:26 AM (8e/V4)
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artie,
if you and George Will are right-- that Bush didn't tell Congress-- then I capitulate. Bush claims to have told them on several occassions. Do you have proof that he didn't?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 12:05 PM (8e/V4)
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artie,
do you have proof that Clinton informed the Senate? That Carter did? Until I see the evidence I'm going to assume they didn't.
In fact, Clinton did not even feel he needed to inform them:
"The Clinton administration argued that the president has "inherent authority" to order physical searches — including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens — for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body."
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 12:26 PM (8e/V4)
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Interesting that Clinton would even feel the need for warrantless break ins-- even before 9/11. What was the urgency? I've said it before and I'll say it again. Libs are soft stalinists and have a real totalitarian streak.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 12:59 PM (8e/V4)
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Wow, you guys have been busy without me. For those who wondered, I went to visit family for a couple of days, and had a great time. I watched a bald eagle fly over my sister's house all day Monday; she has a house on the river in a gorge in the mountains and the area is a wildlife haven, where ducks, geese, cormorants, kingfishers, coots, seagulls, ospreys, hawks, and eagles are as common as pigeons in the city. Monday the temperature was around 70 degrees, with a fair sky and a warm southern breeze. Damn it's good to live in the South. There's also the benefit of having very few liberals around, which in itself is enough reason to love the place.
Anyway, I'm still too tired from the trip, too blissed out from the experience, and too busy planning a real estate investment to comment much, except to say that Schumer and the rest of the libtards should be tied together by the neck en masse, like a huge, stinking daisychain, with a large stone at either end for sinkers, and shoved off into an abandoned strip mine, then the mine should be filled in.
P.S.
Please remember the families of the trapped coal miners in West Virginia. This episode reminds me of something that happened in my hometown 25 years ago, when another 13 men were buried in a mine explosion that was heard 50 miles away, and in which several children I was in school with lost their fathers.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 03, 2006 01:14 PM (0yYS2)
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>>>It says right in the document you provided that he did, through his Deputy AG.
It says no such thing. It only says the AG is "authorized to approve physical searches." Given that Clinton felt he had "inherent authority" to make those searches without Congressional approval, and given there's no proof that he ever sought that approval, I see no reason beyond gotcha politics why this is an issue now.
It boils down to this, if Clinton does it, everybody (including Republicans) is ok with it; if Bush does it, Dems are up in arms about it. The fact that our enemy will benefit from it doesn't factor into their reasoning. You wonder why we think you're traitors?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 01:23 PM (8e/V4)
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Wasn't one of Clinton's intelligence gathering orders used to enact surveillance on subversive groups after the Oklahoma bombing? so that would also be terrorism related, although domestic suspects were spied upon.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 01:47 PM (CcXvt)
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artie,
her testimony before the Senate was about this so-called "inherent authority", not about a specific request for a search or wiretap.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 01:55 PM (8e/V4)
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artie:
What about communications that are intercepted outside the United States, that focus on specific foreign phone numbers?
If those communications are inbound to the United States you believe they require a warrant?
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 02:02 PM (CcXvt)
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I wouldn't know about "Newsweek" it's a leftard rag.
So let me see. you have no specific idea what types of surveillance are done by the NSA, if the intercepts were made abroad, or if they were targetted, but Newsweek prints an article, and you're believing we're in a Stalinist society now?
It's amazing that whole argument about foreign -> domestic -> protected, I'm assuming then the U.S postal service have to apply for a warrent to open packages sent to me from outside the country, or a Customs agent needs a warrent to open my suitcase in the airport?
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 02:18 PM (CcXvt)
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I don't like powers that answer to no one and what I'm seeing now smacks of Stalinism, at least to me.
Posted by: artie at January 3, 2006 01:30 PM
Is the statement I specifically referred to.
An immediate family member of mine, works for British SIGINT, and while he did not tell me specifics due to the OSA, he did tell me that the British MOD routinely intercepted communications for allied countries, and passes on intelligence they had intercepted themselves if deemed important for an allies national security.
Not all information the NSA gathers, or uses comes from domestic surveillance / sources.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 02:53 PM (CcXvt)
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The same thirty years of surveillance law, that turned out ineffective and lacking when three thousand of your fellow countrymen were killed in a terrorist attack?
So let's make one of those "ticking timebomb" scenario's everyone is so crazy about.
September 8th 2001, a routine random sampling of telecommunication sources identifies an inbound communication to Mohammed Atta in the U.S, which is identified as suspicious and the data is marked for extrapolation by an analyst.
You're telling me that the U.S should wait to use information received in random sampling / targetted samplings before using the intelligence within? the problem with your scenario is the fact that it is known that terrorists routinely use "disposable phones" / email addresses or use a phone once.
Our enemies are not limited by law, and know they can evade detection by using disposable communication methods, you however believe it is correct to seek blindfolding our eyes, unless a court rules that it's "ok" to use intelligence. Wow.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 03:57 PM (CcXvt)
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How about the judicial block on recovering information stored on Zacarias Moussaoui's Laptop Computer?
He was identified before September 11th as a terrorism suspect (as documented in the "Phoenix memo") who also attended the flight schools? However the court decided that information was not to be recovered.
Your own point, refers to numerous Judicial blocks of actionable intelligence pre-9/11.
Actually I don't believe the plans were laid out in full, but used code words, and as such may already be known, due to the fact the NSA do nothing but code breaking.
You want Judges to tell you what intelligence is actionable and what to act on? do you take your car to a barbers shop to be fixed too?
If you're receiving communications from people already identified as having ties to terrorists, you're saying the suspect has the right for a court to decide the link?
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 04:33 PM (CcXvt)
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All the law in the world won't stop it. Lawmakers often pass a law to do this or that. Because they have to to make it look like they are doing stuff. So do the new laws protect us? Well maybe a little bit. Bluto made the point to me the other day about yes we are less free now than say 1900 but do you really miss those freedoms? Well no not really I don't know any better. But the same argument was used by British Loyalists. At the time citizens of the British Empire were the most free in the world and how dare Americans want more. So I ask you, would you have been a loyalist then? Should the governemt seek to find attackers before they strike hell yes and with whatever means they have during wartime. What most people miss is that this info cannot be used in court. It may be used to seek a warrant to get info that can be used in court or used to prevent an enemy action. People worried about Gov't eyeballs are about 100 years late. Why do they not worry about corporate info collection? That is prevalent and can be bought by the gov't or whomever? It upsets me but not too much because I never thought "they" were not watching already. We should limit government as much as we can just because that's what we are about. But this "evil" spy idea is a bit much. I doubt innocents have too much to worry about. Do you really think they waste time when they pick up nothing? No they go looking for the real deal. To not look for terrorists using what methods we can equates to tuning off the tracking of the USSR during the Cuban missle crisis. If you want to be pissed at someone for taking your privacy and freedom try UBL or Zawahiri or Zaqueery.
Posted by: Howie at January 03, 2006 04:53 PM (D3+20)
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It's amazing after September 11th, and the original World Trade Center attack, people are still calling for terrorism to be handled by the Law.
While the F.B.I has an APB out for Bin Laden since long before September 11th 2001, I am sure he will not be captured by U.S law enforcement.
However, that aside the President has within his authority to issue an Executive Order, in the case of In re Neagle (1890), the Supreme Court said that the President was not limited to laws that had been passed by Congress, but the President could administer laws based on those growing out of the Constitution itself, international relations and "all the protections implied by the nature of the Government under the Constitution"
Source: Government By Decree.
An Executive Order, can be classified and unavailable to the public, and can in some cases supercede things that Congress have ruled against.
People such as yourself after September 11th 2001, were asking "What did the President know? When?" and asked why our intelligence was flawed, now when the Government follows suggestions made in the 9/11 Commission people want the judicial branch to rule on issues of national security. This is a nation of laws, and if the President issued an EO to authorize communication interception by the NSA, I'm not sure who will be calling it illegal.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 05:07 PM (CcXvt)
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artie:
I'm going to give you two examples, as one referers to a controversial act by President Clinton, I'll give another by President Reagan, I do not adopt the philosophy of "Clinton did it too!" or "But Clinton got a Blowjob!!"
In 1996 there was an attempt to pass the Heritage Areas act in Congress, but the effort went down in defeat. Under the original act, Congress would have the authority to designate areas of land as heritage zones. Undeterred by the failed package, the Clinton administration simply repackaged the act and issued it as an executive order. On September 11th 1997 President Clinton issued Executive Order 13061, which "officially" established the American Heritage Rivers Initiation (AHRI).
President Ronald Reagan's executive order of September 1986, which authorized arms shipments to Iran, was a classified order and therefore not known to the public. He had to postpone notification for the order. If information had leaked out, arm could have come to the hostages that were being held in Lebanon by groups closely tied with Iran. Still, this situation illustrates the breadth of this presidential prerogative
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2006 05:28 PM (CcXvt)
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Bottom line one: artie's problem is that he doesn't realize we're at war. Nor does artie seem to realize that much more menacing things than this NSA surveillance have happened over and over again in times of war - in this country.
Adams and the Alien and Sedition Act, Lincoln and the suspension of habeas corpus, Roosevelt and the internment of Japanese Americans. None of these involved theoretical hair-splitting, either; each was an out-and-out suspension of the normal ways of doing business, which had serious consequences for real people.
And all of them ended when the threat passed.
Bottom line two: artie doesn't give two shits in a flying rat's ass about anyone's civil liberties. The bobbing and weaving inherent in his posts proves to my satisfaction that artie's motives are political, not libertarian.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 03, 2006 05:33 PM (RHG+K)
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Bluto once again sums the thread up quite nicely for us.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2006 07:04 PM (8e/V4)
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My thread artie. Pick another one to spew DU propaganda and bile.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 04, 2006 01:29 AM (RHG+K)
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I never cease to be amazed how idiot liberals like artie can talk/type all day long, producing thousands of words, and say exactly nothing.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 04, 2006 09:18 AM (0yYS2)
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Like I thought...no guts. Well, as long as YOU read it, I'm happy. What a fag.
Posted by: artie at January 04, 2006 11:12 AM (UHKaK)
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Actually, I don't have to read them, just put a check in the "delete" box.
Now you face a choice. You can decide to stop pitching fits, or you can be banned, as well as flushed. And the banning will involve both your home computer in Appleton and your work machine in Oshkosh.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 04, 2006 11:24 AM (RHG+K)
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Ah, you finally took a few minutes to track my IP address and location through my regional provider--not exactly a technical triumph but likely big news to you. Any other personal info you need, feel free to ask. Presented with these choices, I'll take banning (go two other IPs never used at this site yet!)
Posted by: artie at January 04, 2006 12:05 PM (UHKaK)
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Where exactly is Mountain View, anyway, northern or southern California? That is where I traced YOUR IP to ...
Posted by: artie at January 04, 2006 12:57 PM (UHKaK)
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I couldn't tell you. I live near Syracuse.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 04, 2006 01:53 PM (RHG+K)
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lol. I guess you might want to leave the "tracing" to someone who knows what they're doing artie.
Posted by: dave at January 04, 2006 03:10 PM (CcXvt)
More kidnappings in Yemen
Just as the kidnapping ordeal of a former German ambassador and his family comes to a peaceful end in Yemen, five Italians are kidnapped. The kidnappers are disenfranchised tribesmen, who are effectively excluded from the political system (because they comprise the greatest potential check on Yemeni President SalehÂ’s authority). Lacking a functional judiciary, many kidnappings occur to effect the release of family members held without trial by the regime.
According to News Yemen, via the independent Yemen Times,
Five Italian tourists were kidnapped today at noon in the Serwah district of Mareb, in the same day President Saleh received the five German hostages released yesterday.What is often not reported is the practice of hostage taking when perpetrated by the regime itself. As a method of intimidation and retribution, the regime often kidnaps young siblings (age 14 and under) of reformers. Adult hostages are held in governmental prison without trial at the behest of influential persons connected to the regime. Many influential sheiks have private prisons. Taking hostages to be used as bargaining chips by tribesmen is deplorable, and the taking of hostages by the regime is on a higher scale of injustice.The sources added that the tribesmen who kidnapped the tourists belong to the Jahm tribe and demanded from the central government to release eight fellow tribesmen from Yemeni jails.
For more information on the lack of basic services in tribal areas and throughout the country, massive corruption, and the anti-democratic practices of the Yemeni regime, see my latest article in the Yemen Times here.
Update: The normally spot on Capt Ed tries the kidnappings to the previous appeasements by the Italian and German governments when dealing with terrorist kidnapping. This is a horse of a different color, completely internal, not terrorist related, and a continuation of the pattern of kidnappings in Yemen so evident through the 1990's. Its a symptom of isolation from the regime.
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Yemen isn't a country. It's an area of land with warring fundamentalis muslim tribes, with one tribe holding itself out as the "government" because it is better than the other tribes at bribery and intimidation. But it plays ball and we do business with it. The "reformers" are merely other warring tribesmen who prefer their own tribe to the other.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 10:58 AM (8e/V4)
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Dear Jesusland
You are wrong Yemen is not like that. It is beautiful country. Islam and all Yemeni people reject such act. I wish you read about Yemen and real teachings of Islam.
My best regards
Happy New Year for All World
Posted by: Adnan Hizam at January 01, 2006 11:05 AM (w8lZG)
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Adnan, tell us this; are Osama and al Zarqawi good muslims, even though they murder innocent people, including other muslims?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 01, 2006 11:16 AM (0yYS2)
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Both of them are wrong and Allah well punish any one attack innocent people.
You know Islam reject any attack against innocent people. I donÂ’t agree with Osam and Zarqawi.
but as a Muslim I have to clear reality of Islam which rejects violence and terror and all attacks target innocent people.
Posted by: Adnan Hizam at January 01, 2006 11:23 AM (w8lZG)
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Adnan,
I'm sure Yemen is very beautiful. But it's political system is tribal and primitive, you can't deny that.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2006 11:27 AM (8e/V4)
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I agree Adnan. I have many muslim friends. I'm not a racist. Not all muslims are terrorists or "Jawas". Osama and Abu claim to help Muslims but they kill their own people and make muslims look bad. I know your religion is not bad. Zarqawi simply changed it to help his own perverted view of America. Happy New Year Adnan.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 01, 2006 11:29 AM (Lp5Uh)
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To be honest with you. you are right. And here in Yemen we are as journalists have to change the culture of the people. There are people believing in rule of the tribe rejecting rule of the law. It is our duty to spread awareness among people about rule of the law and to guide them to get their political and human rights.
Posted by: Adnan Hizam at January 01, 2006 11:33 AM (w8lZG)
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Jane
Happy New Year - staying focused I see. Good. I have no idea how I could ever help you, but feel free to email me if you think of something.
Posted by: hondo at January 01, 2006 11:37 AM (3aakz)
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Thank you George
Here in Yemen we like all world peoples but we need time to change the current situation. You know here the rate of illiteracy is high. I pray my country will be better then now.
Posted by: Adnan Hizam at January 01, 2006 11:39 AM (w8lZG)
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So it just goes around and around. These tribes may feel disenfranchised, but there are a lot of disenfranchised tribes out there. How come we don't hear of Chinese tourists being kidnapped by Aborigines in the Australian Outback or Japanese tourists being kidnapped by Native Americans in New Mexico? They have their fair share of problems too. Perhaps, despite being among the lowest rungs on society's ladder, these peoples, over the centuries have been able to modernise their thinking and solve their problems without resorting to intimidation.
Posted by: Graeme at January 01, 2006 11:58 AM (S769q)
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Hey Happy New Year peps, and thanks Hondo. Sometime or another I will need help. You're on the list.
Graeme, keep in mind that the Australian government and others with tribal populations are in responsive to their tribes, to their human needs and grievences, where as the Yemeni regime acts in a way to exclude them, to turn them against each other, and to keep them from modernizing by not providing water, electricity, schools, or healthcare. Theres some really appauling statistics in my article.
The last three kidnapping in the last 45 days were prompted by the tribes demand for a trial for a relative who may be held indefinately otherwise. So in essence they are acting in a illegal way to demand an application of the law. But the law in Yemen is a tool of the powerful only.
Posted by: Jane at January 01, 2006 12:48 PM (M7kiy)
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Also if the government was tribal, it would care about the condition of its people, which it doesnt.The Yemeni regime is a loosely related web of self interested individuals who are all out for themselves. Most of the exercise of power is done outside of governmental institutions. The parliament and judiciary are not empowered.
Tribalism on the other hand has as its underpinning the sense of family, and care for the family. A tribal government i think would place child mortality as a priority, which is currently at 11%. Also tribalism is not as authorian as might be expected. There are mechanisms of consensus building, popular participation in decision making, and a transparent and collective economy. The regime on the other hand would be taking a big step up to become a tribal government. Now its more like a disorganzied mafia with brutal tendencies.
Posted by: Jane at January 01, 2006 01:06 PM (M7kiy)
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Thanx for clarifying that, Jane. Coming from somehwere where the law of the land is observed without question, it's really hard to imagine that some may have to actually take a step up to achieve the level of even being a "tribal" government.
Posted by: Oyster at January 01, 2006 02:01 PM (YudAC)
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Kidnaping must be a way of life for these fanatics
Posted by: sandpiper at January 01, 2006 02:03 PM (JtcRt)
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Oyster, its mind blowing.
Sandpiper, its a way of life for the govt. Check out the article in the Yemen Times that I linked.
Posted by: Jane at January 01, 2006 02:18 PM (M7kiy)
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Check this out.
"Although the location of the kidnapped teenager are known to be in Garadh area in Bani Dhibian, 80 kilometers south of SanaÂ’a authorities have still not taken measures for the release.
However a security officer concerned with the case told Yemen Times that they surrounded the area and arrested 25 persons since the kidnapping. The arrested people belong to Bani Dhabian but were arrested as hostages while they were in SanaÂ’a."
This one is over a land dispute, normally the person with the best connections to the military wins.
Posted by: Jane at January 01, 2006 02:40 PM (M7kiy)
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Kidnapping and hostage taking has been a custom of the Arabic and North African tribes since history has been recorded, Quite like a lot of thing we (the Westerner) deem out of the ordinary, due to our particular customs and beliefs.
This in no way excuses them in this modern day and age, but I hope it helps explain it. Also the killing or Beheading of hostages is an old, barbaric custom relating back to early Middle Eastern Customs. Some of it is carried over in the Quran as "Sharia".
And Jane's pretty much right on about the Governments there.
Posted by: large at January 01, 2006 03:42 PM (fEUSs)
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Agent Jones says there are too many guns in Yemen.
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 02, 2006 06:24 AM (b1Uko)
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Jane.. you have to know in Yemen we are poor country not because resources but because people themselves. They do not know their rights and the rate of illiteracy still high because corruption. Here, the corruption is real complicated matter, it is difficult to understand it.
Posted by: Adnan Hizam at January 02, 2006 06:29 AM (w8lZG)
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Agent Smith
Tell Agent Jones he his being - naive. Before there where too many guns, there where too many swords, before that too many bows, before that too many spears, before that too many rocks.
It is the poor workman who always blames the tools.
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 09:45 AM (3aakz)
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my spelling is off - the headache remains
Posted by: hondo at January 02, 2006 09:51 AM (3aakz)
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The headache may remain, but the logic is spot on. And the agents are poor workmen, that's for sure.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 02, 2006 09:59 AM (rUyw4)
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Yes Adnan, there's lots of resources- the port, the fisheries- which are being mismanged and many of the biggest businesses are also have corrupt practices and nepotism. The illiteracy rate is never going to improve until the govt puts the welfare of the people and the country ahead of its personal interests. They cut the education spending to put much more money into the military, and we know who runs that, the president and his relatives. If the people had their rights, they would know them. A whole generation grew up with their rights denied.
Posted by: Jane at January 02, 2006 02:26 PM (ywZa8)
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Agent Smith says God Bless America - at least we fight for our rights.
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 03, 2006 06:46 AM (0kwVT)
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Has Agent Smith kidnapped Maxie? Will there be an exchange in the desert for - greg? Will there be room for 2 Smiths in this standoff? Who will be the last man standing?
Posted by: hondo at January 03, 2006 09:55 AM (3aakz)
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Please of any one interest about reality of the corruption in Yemen just go to see my article published in Yemen Observer weekly
http://www.yobserver.com/news_9070.php
Posted by: Adnan Hizam at January 03, 2006 10:17 AM (w8lZG)
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Sorry Hondo, I've been busy of late. Adnan, despite my often inflammatory rhetoric, I do think there are a few Arabs, as you seem to be, who are decent, civilized human beings, but guys like you tend to end up in mass graves if you speak out, so hope for the ME is slim, and my best advice to you is to get out, because unless the US invades, Yemen won't be fixed in your lifetime.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 08:46 AM (0yYS2)
13 Middle East Hostages Released
The New Year brings some positive news for the friends and families of 13 hostages kidnapped recently in Iraq, Yemen, and the Gaza Strip.
From TheStar.com:
Those released yesterday include Juergen Chrobog, a former German foreign minister, his wife and their three children, who had been held in Yemen by tribesmen for the past three days.While both Yemen and Sudan complied with the kidnappers' demands, the Palestinians released abducted Britons as a purported gesture of goodwill.Also released yesterday were five Sudanese embassy staff -- including Abd al-Munim al-Huri, the Sudanese embassy's second secretary -- who were seized by kidnappers in Baghdad Friday.
And on Friday, kidnappers in the Gaza Strip released Kate Burton, a 25-year-old British human rights worker, and her parents. The three were abducted Wednesday in the chaotic southern town of Rafah on the Egyptian border.
The Yemeni government agreed to the demand to hold talks with tribal leaders regarding release of five members of the tribe currently being detained. Sudan agreed to the demand to close its embassy to free the abducted diplomats and allow them to leave Iraq.
Britons Kate Burton, her father Hugh, and mother Helen were abducted by a group called the Brigades of the Mujahideen-Jerusalem with demands that,
Britain and the rest of Europe apply pressure on Israel to end the "no-go" zone it imposed in northern Gaza last week to stop rocket fire. The group also wants Israel to free prisoners, pull back troops in the occupied West Bank and end the assassination of militant leaders.Presumably with considerable unofficial negotiation, Burton and her parents were released unharmed "as a gesture of goodwill." The masked, armed kidnappers released a video in which the following statement was read.
"We have decided to pardon the three Britons as a gesture of goodwill in return for a seriousness in answering our demands."So, they kidnap and threaten the lives of three people, only to release them in return for a promise of "seriousness." Personally, that's a steamy pile of used oats. What are we going to be asked to believe next? The bus full of Israelis was bombed because there was insufficient seriousness? Not likely.
Although it's good news that the hostages were released, it comes at a price. In two of the three cases, the message was clearly sent to the thug terrorists that kidnapping works. Yemen and Sudan rolled over like trained dogs.
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Yep and I had another thought about Sudan and the refugees forced to Egypt. The government of Sudan claims no support of the terrorists. It's clear the terrorists really want to upset Egypt. Using this same method of kidnap against Sudan's Government, say a commanders family, may also explain the pictures of Gov't helicopters in childrens drawings. So while the Gov't of Sudan may not "support" terrorists well you get the idea...they are Al-Queada's bitch. We could help them but they resist either out of fear or support of the terrorists. IM which do you think it is?
Posted by: Howie at January 01, 2006 10:25 AM (D3+20)
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Tis a good deal they are free but it does encourage more. It is an effort to soften the image of the terrorists. I would have hoped the CPT hostages would have been with them.
Posted by: Howe at January 01, 2006 10:36 AM (D3+20)
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The news I heard on the Kate Burton kidnapping was funny. It looks like the previously unheard of terrorists are a bunch of rank amateurs (even by local standards) who didn't stop to consider that their victim is a philanthropist who is fabulously popular among their own people. It sounds like these noobs caught more pressure from Palestinians than from the Brits.
Yemen is a different matter though. When you hear about people being abducted not by terrorists but by "tribesmen" that should clue you in that you're dealing with a government that can't exercise authority outside urban areas. They've probably been wrangling with tribesmen like this since the govt. was founded.
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Kidnapping is a sport in Yemen, where they have nothing better to do besides bugger sheep and chew qat.
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