January 09, 2006
Party Poopers
Congress, in its infinite wisdom(cough choke gasp), has passed a law and the president has signed it making it against federal law to annoy people over the internet anonymously. Holy cow that means everything on the internet is now against the law! Also it has special consequences here at the Jawa. I guess Rusty must have the other Co-Bloggers post all that “annoy a terrorist” stuff? It also means that 99% of our comments are now “unlawful”. Don’t forget to email your congressman and the President. Just be slightly more than bothersome, slightly less than annoying and yourself. Whatever the hell that means.
News.com :In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)
Does this mean posts like this or that or here or there or maybe this one are now unlawful?
The article tries to blame Republicans (Sen. Arlen Specter for one) but I also see Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose), and Jerrold Nadler are sponsors as well. This garbage was attached to a “violence against women” bill. Just another reason why I support the idea that a bill should be about what the bill is about. Too often pork and crap like this is put with critical bills because they can’t stand alone. It’s time to put a stop to that and also if a judge doesn’t strike this down PDQ I’ll be surprised.
Hope I didnÂ’t annoy anyone. Oh well WTF IÂ’m me, so screw you hippie!
Also see Ace of Spades HQ.
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It's Chimpy's Fault, Dammit!
The
sturmtruppers of the
only real terrorist nation make Iraqi women cry.
That's an update to my earlier post.
In unrelated news, welcome back Rusty, you're just in time to mark the real Grim Milestone that the media will surely fail to note:
UPDATE:
The AP is reporting that the first surgery was successful.
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News articles that begin with a melodramatic vignette make critical readers cry. That initial paragraph to the effect of "Awwww, look at the poor widdle bayy-bee" is a red flag to anybody with an interest in facts. When you see that crap you know there's no point in going any further.
Even more repellant is the thought of what sort of idiot comprises the target market for this garbage. I'm picturing in my mind's eye some moon-eyed old lady or teen mother, a total sucker who can be talked into anything, utterly convinced that a single untreated case of spinal bifida constitutes a significant problem in war-ravaged Iraq. These people vote. Scary stuff.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 09, 2006 06:52 AM (dT1MB)
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You know what's scarier? people who are so cynical of any good news, or deeds by our Soldiers, that they feel the need to bad mouth it at any turn.
This is the fruits of the seeds sown by our Soldiers who have tried to get her treated in the U.S. to help her live.
Much to everyones disappointment people such as yourself continue to yawn and wait for the news of a carbomb to make the Iraq "quagmire" talking point.
sickening.
Posted by: dave at January 09, 2006 07:31 AM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
You're goddamn straight I'm cynical, and proud of it. The U.S. needs a lot more of us. Cynics don't let sob stories about gimpy babies and weepy mommies drive our policy judgments. We also tend not to wet our pants every time someone sparks up a pipe bomb in Baghdad.
Cynicism used to be a fashionable pose in this country. Then 9/11 happened, and I watched all the wannabes melt into blubbering puddles of impotent fear. I'll have you know that while Dan Rather was heralding "the death of cynicism" I was keeping the flame alive, cracking jokes. My best one:
Me: That was an impressive deed.
Boss: How could somebody do something like that?
Me: I guess they really believed they're going to Heaven for it.
Boss: Well, I don't think they're going where they thought they were going!
Me: Neither is anybody else on the plane.
The whole office laughed at this, and then accused me of not being funny. And this kind of funk ran through the whole country, from the little people on up to the Old Man himself, with Bush bleating out a prayer for God to defend us as if we don't have Marines for that! So far as I can tell, the only public figures who kept their testicles on and didn't surrender to hysterical emotionalism were Donald Rumsfeld, Rudolph Giuliani, and Ann Coulter (which is all the more remarkable when you consider that only one of these has a functioning prostate gland).
If we lose our nerve and turn tail in Iraq because IEDs are scary and they make servicemen's mommies cry, people like me won't be the ones responsible. Pretending the occupation is about "saving the children" won't stiffen the public's spine either.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 09, 2006 08:55 AM (dT1MB)
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>>>Cynics don't let sob stories about gimpy babies and weepy mommies drive our policy judgments.
Then why are you a Liberal? Liberals policy is entirely anecdote-driven.
And regarding cynics being "needed", I've found cynicism amongst the Liberal proles is entirely one-sided. You cynics were sucking Clinton's cock when he was bombing milk factories and Kosovo without U.N. authorization. Now THAT'S cynical.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 09, 2006 08:59 AM (8e/V4)
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I'm in awe, at how the murder of some 3,000 of your fellow countrymen provided you the gumption to provide some good old rib-tickling funnies for your co-workers.
One could only hope, that no one snuffs out one of your loved ones like a candle, and that no one provides a real funny knee-slapper about it for you. I'm sorry people were scared, and saddened in the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil, however not everyone looked at it as a twisted form of entertainment, evidently unlike yourself.
I'm sure it's hard for someone such as yourself to look at Soldiers as anything but death-dealing robots, that we unleash till we put them back in their cage, but they are your fellow countrymen who have children, emotions and ideals, and most genuinely wish to help the people of Iraq.
Posted by: dave at January 09, 2006 09:11 AM (CcXvt)
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Carlos,
I was against any U.S. involvement in former Yugoslavia. As the U.S. has no interests there I was cynically content to watch all the warring factions spill each other's guts. It created a refugee problem for Europe, but we were in no way put out by it, so we should have let them handle it.
For similar reasons I was against the first Gulf War. So Iraq strolls in and kicks over an anemic little oil monarchy. Why should we care who turns the spigot when we fill our tankers with Kuwaiti crude?
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 09, 2006 09:16 AM (dT1MB)
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Dave, Shannon simply has a dry sense of humor, which is really the best psychological survival mechanism there is. SF guys, almost to the man, have a dry sense of humor, which allows them to face the hazards they do without going insane.
The reason the comment about the airplane was funny to some people was because it was true. I don't think Shannon's really a liberal like Michael Mooron et al, but rather he seems to be more independant minded, like me, although I'm not sure what the hell he's talking about at times. Too many people, conservatives and liberals, let urban legends and their emotions control what they think and do, but some of us, a very few, tend to think for ourselves, and are hated for it by pretty much everyone else, which is fine with us if that's the way it has to be.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 09:21 AM (0yYS2)
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Im:
I am British, and I am well versed in the "stiff upper lip" routine, and am often termed as having a "dry sense of humor" by American's around me. However I did not find the need to create a stand-up comedy routine to my fellow colleagues around the unfolding events on September 11th.
I enjoy your comments here, due to the fact you can draw the moonbats out, like moths to an open flame with a single post, and much like yourself I am no fan of the current Administration, however I agree on their strong stance against radical Islam, this character however comes out swinging like a moonbat on some posts, and nods his head like a novelty dog in a car window in others. hard to make anything of it.
Posted by: dave at January 09, 2006 09:35 AM (CcXvt)
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And regarding Shannon's office "humor".
Disgusting.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 09, 2006 09:42 AM (8e/V4)
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I'm with you, Dave, on this one. Shannon can find no good in anything, and cynic is not what he is, regardless of what he says. I have another word to describe him, but I'll hold off for now. Let's just say you nailed him.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 09, 2006 10:09 AM (rUyw4)
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I understand your sentiments, but Shannon does make some valid points now and then, and should not be dismissed out of hand.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 10:23 AM (0yYS2)
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Shannon:
One can be cynical and still display optimism through these kind acts toward children in Iraq. Contrary to what you imply here that "weepy mommies" are being used to drive policy, the focus should be on a different aspect of the story. It's called "winning hearts and minds" as merely a secondary means of gaining support. Or simply just doing the right thing. And there's nothing wrong with it. One can only hope that these children will grow up in a democracy which will cause them to reject the hateful or intolerant ways of some of the older population in Iraq.
While cynicism is healthy, it can be a hindrance when the whole world is looked at from that viewpoint.
As far as your attempt at office humor, I'm trying to figure out why anyone laughed. It was true maybe, but not funny. Unless of course it was simply nervous laughter. Which is understandable - sort of. I've laughed at innappropriate things at times.
Posted by: Oyster at January 09, 2006 11:40 AM (osKlJ)
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The important thing to remember Oyster is that he said everyone else laughed, but did he mean for them too? I kinda doubt it. Also, he's right about the weepy mommies thing, as emotion is a dangerous foundation on which to build policy.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 01:48 PM (0yYS2)
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Yes, I agree. What I don't agree with is that people are using this to to determine how they feel about the war or any other actions we take. We bitch non-stop about all the negativity coming forth and when a good story gets told some cynic says "Don't buy it." C'mon. It's just a story about some good being done. That's all.
Posted by: Oyster at January 09, 2006 02:35 PM (osKlJ)
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Which is why I'm going to follow it, and continue to post about it.
Now for some real cynicism. There are roughly 280 million people in this country, of which Shannon makes up one.
So who cares what he thinks anyway.
Like the Sith Master repeatedly has said:
Dude, it's just a blog.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 09, 2006 02:49 PM (Kr6/f)
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All those terrorist attack casualties put together are less than the monthly violent deaths in your own country, monthly death toll being about 1/50 of yours. Fix your own problems before going crazy about the "horrible destructive forces" lurking in the desert.
Terrorist problems were completely voluntary, your Saddam, your Bin Laden, your greed, your brainless urge to oppose freedom of everyone else, your fault.
Posted by: A Finn at January 10, 2006 03:27 AM (cWMi4)
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Good point Oyster. Cynicism has its uses and its proper place, but I like the baby Noor story myself, although I'm not sure they were doing her a favor by saving her life, considering that she will likely never walk and may be retarded due to fluid on the brain. Through their acts of humanity, they've sentenced her to a miserable life. Like they say, the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 10, 2006 12:15 PM (0yYS2)
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Finn, go away. I didn't miss you while you were gone. There are plenty of moonbat blogs for you to go to and spout your ignorant opinions. Try Indymedia or Democratic Underground, they are perfect for moonbats with tin foil hats like you.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 10, 2006 04:40 PM (rUyw4)
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Tin foil hats intensify most frequencies reserved for government and military usage, despite their ability to weaken regular frequencies...
Indymedia and Democratic Underground, I'll probably check those out, just that this blog has become a habit in moments of boredom and endless wrath towards unification of the world into a retarded western media&popularculture empire.
Posted by: A Finn at January 11, 2006 05:23 AM (cWMi4)
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French Hostage Freed
Radio New Zealand reports that a French engineer held for more than a month was freed when his captors encountered a Coalition checkpoint:
Bernard Planche was released by his captors near Abu Ghraib prison, west of Baghdad, and is with the U.S. military.
Iraqi police say it appeared the captors were trying to move Mr Planche from one area to another when they encountered a joint U.S. and Iraqi army checkpoint.
They then bundled him out of their car and escaped.
A little known militant group called the "Surveillance for the Sake of Iraq Brigade" is believed to have been behind the kidnapping.
Gee, and France didn't even have to release a vicious murderer.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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They didn't have to, they're all out running around Paris burning cars.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 09, 2006 12:43 AM (Kr6/f)
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So the real question is:
What will his statement be in his press release:
1.) Sympathetic, embracing his noble captors cause.
2.) Thankful to the Coalition for his rescue.
One could only hope, for #2.
Posted by: dave at January 09, 2006 07:23 AM (CcXvt)
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I'm starting to notice that the names of these "little-known" militant groups are growing steadily more unwieldy as all of the slick-sounding names are taken. The progession looks like something Monty Python would dream up:
Iraqi Islamic Jihad
Islamic Jihad of Iraq
Jihad for Islamic Iraq
Iraqi Militia for Islamic Jihad
Islamic Militia for Iraqi Jihad
Sword of Islam Iraqi Jihad Movement
Sword of Iraq Islamic Jihad Movement
Sword of Jihad Iraqi Islamic Movement
Milk of Magnesia Iraqi Bowel Movement
Martyrs' Brigade of the Iraqi People's Islamic Jihad
Iraqi Brigade of the Islamic People's Martyrs' Jihad
Martyr Scream for Islamic Jihad Iraqi People's Liberation Brigade
Martin Sheen in Dalai Lama's Bed and Ratty Little Nipples He Had.
I think we should brainstorm a full list and have somebody post copies about Baghdad to help new jihadis avoid name collision, which I think everyone would agree would be a good thing.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 09, 2006 07:34 AM (dT1MB)
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What? No People's Front of Judea? Bloody splitters...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 09:24 AM (0yYS2)
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Bluto and Dr. S, have you seen this yet?
Corridors of Power: The lady was a spy
By ROLAND FLAMINI
UPI Chief International Correspondent
WASHINGTON, Jan. 9 (UPI) -- Susanne Osthoff, the German archeologist kidnapped by Iraqi gunmen on Nov. 25 and released before Christmas was connected with her country's intelligence service, the BND, and had helped arrange a meeting with a top member of the terrorist organization al-Qaida, possibly Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi himself, according to well informed German sources Sunday.
I just grabbed the link from here:
http://upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060109-103853-9889r
... and was about to email it to Dr. S, but read that his email is pretty backed up. Cheers.
J.R.
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January 08, 2006
Three weeks of posting, one day.
Scroll through the site. I'll be posting three weeks worth of stuff today. Yes, I'm
that good.
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Welcome back Rusty...
Posted by: Dustyvet at January 08, 2006 05:57 PM (M7kiy)
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Where the F- have you been? You don't call! You don't Write!
What is a Filthy man to think(sob...sniff...dab dab.)
Thank God for Howie. I LOVE YOU MAAAAN!
Posted by: Filthy Allah at January 08, 2006 09:29 PM (uxn8Q)
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Where the F- have you been? You don't call! You don't Write!
What is a Filthy man to think(sob...sniff...dab dab.)
Thank God for Howie. I LOVE YOU MAAAAN
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Posted by: Filthy Allah at January 08, 2006 10:29 PM (Fd0fS)
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Filthy will now post three weeks worth of comments as well. ;-)
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Filthy I agree he lets us worry and worry. Ya reckon he does his mom that way too?
Posted by: Howie at January 09, 2006 09:35 AM (D3+20)
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Air America: Sharon-Arafat Murder Conspiracy
Bryan S. and I were on our way to Stone Mountain on Thursday afternoon and I asked Bryan to find us some talk radio to kill some time. It must have been somewhere between 3-4 p.m. local time. Being unfamilliar with Atlanta radio, Bryan found the local Air America affiliate. Big mistake.
The host (some one filling in for Randi Rhodes?) was going on-and-on about what a brave peacemaker Ariel Sharon was. Then, out of nowhere, he inserts a question that went something like this:
"Some might wonder if they did this to Ariel Sharon for the same reason they did the same thing to Yassir Arafat?"
The implication being that Yassir Arafat was killed because of his moves to make peace with Israel, and now Sharon is being killed by the same people.
Get it? This is one of those "I didn't accuse any one of trying to murder Sharon, I only asked the question", thus, absolving himself from all responsibility of making the accusation.
Remember to wear your tin-foil helmut while you listen!
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It was the alien mothership what did it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 08, 2006 06:42 PM (0yYS2)
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See my numerous comments on the conspiracy theories that Leftwingers need to support their fragile worldview. Nothing new here.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 08, 2006 08:14 PM (8e/V4)
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Um, who exactly would be "they" in this scenario?
Posted by: KG at January 08, 2006 08:15 PM (eRMCR)
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I know - its kinda difficult - but if we try hard enough - we can blame it on .... the Jews.
And since both appear to be "natural" causes - from afar no less - it may be those mystical mumblin' kabala whatevers - yeah! Workin' some kind of bizarro chantin' mumbo jumbo projection.
Wow! now we can blame it on ... Madonna! (she is a Jew now - kinda?) - am getting confused here.
Maybe it was ... alien Jews - there's one tribe unaccounted for - right?
Posted by: hondo at January 08, 2006 11:55 PM (3aakz)
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There are so many idiots promoting self-serving conspiracies about the world that it literally makes no sense to track them. The issue is, now, how far off course we are and what sort of correction would be required to get back on course. In other words, we can worry about
how we got off course later, but at the moment we don't have that luxury.
I figure we have about a decade to straighten this out, and if we don't it won't make much difference what the heck we do.
Personally I think we, as a species, are just a little bit dumber than we take ourselves to be... and that's how we got screwed up. I suppose we ought to begin to assume that our average intelligence quotient is more like 95 than 100, where it counts. Granted, it's kind of a small mistake but a course deflection of only an inch at the start of a journey can result in finding oneself a thousand miles off course in relatively short order. We assume we're just a little smarter than we actually are, and we end up thinking our asses are holes in the ground.
Posted by: Demosophist at January 09, 2006 12:42 AM (iObV6)
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There are such things as conspiracies. Just not for
everything. What I find surprising is that anyone on Air America would say anything nice at all about Sharon.
Posted by: Oyster at January 09, 2006 06:36 AM (YudAC)
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Actually hondo, the new fashionable scapegoat of the day are atheists, we're pretty much behind everything ya know.
But seriously, everyone should read
The Lucifer Principle, which explains scapegoating throughout human history, it's a fascinating read, and puts things in clear perspective.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 09:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Are you sure the network you heard this on was not Airhead America? Seems to fit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 09, 2006 10:12 AM (rUyw4)
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Bortz is on WSB if you like talk radio. But this would have been past Bortz. Hannity is on WSB at that time. There is an ex jarhead on WGST who is pretty good as well. Why you were anywhere near Stone Mt at that time of day with that traffic only convinces me you are nuts.
Posted by: Kevin at January 09, 2006 06:40 PM (t6ozB)
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Abramoff Questions: What the hell is the "scandal" I keep hearing about?
I don't get the Abramoff "scandall". Seriously.
I've been on vacation for a few weeks, so the only news I've been paying attention to is a bit here and there from TV and radio. Because of this, I'm assuming that I'm about as informed as the average American on the Abramoff scandal right now. That is, I know that there is this guy named Jack Abramoff, that he has been indicted for some reason or another, that he has admitted to guilt, and that he has been a major contributor to the Republican party and a minor contributor to the Democratic party.
From this, the MSM has been running story after story raising 'questions' about those associated with Abramoff. The 'questions' mainly revolve around those who received campaign contributions from Abramoff and his Native American backers. The stories seem to focus on the 'fall out' from the Abramoff scandal rather than the scandal itself. In fact, I know next to nothing about the scandal itself, but I know an awful lot about the 'fall out' from it.
Can somebody please refer me to a good story that will explain the actual crimes committed rather than the 'fall out' from the crimes? I've been way out of the loop, so an MSM story or a blog post would be good. Seriously, I haven't seen a single news story on TV or heard one on the radio that actually explains what crimes Abramoff committed. None.
Editors at MSM outlets have been derelict in their duties--or worse. Imagine if CNN had done weeks and weeks of stories on the "fall out" from the 9/11 attacks, but ran nothing on the attacks themselves. Tonight on Anderson Cooper 360, a roundtable discussion on the Bush Administration's reaction to the al Qaeda attacks. What does this mean to the electoral prospects of the Republican Party?
The only thing I know about the Abramoff case is that he seems to have pled guilty to crimes that are in no way connected with illegal campaign contributions. I only know that because the only substantive discussion of the actual crimes came in a 15 second blurb by Tom DeLay in which he mentioned this. Of course, the news story on Fox in which I saw the bulrb wasn't about the substance of what DeLay mentioned, but about whether or not DeLay would be forced to step down because he had taken free trips paid by Abramoff. DeLay claimed that Abramoff had pled guilty to some scam completely unrelated to campaign finance. Is this tru?
If Abramoff's crimes were unrelated to illegal campaign finance contributions, then what, exactly, is the scandal? Seriously? Is this a simple guilt-by-association type of scandal? So large campaign-donors that turns out to be fellons taints all of those who they give money to? If so, I wonder if Martha Stewart gave money to any politician?
There seems to be some kind of 'scandal' going on here, but for the likes of me I don't seem to see one. The only scandal I see here is poor reporting, coupled with overblown headlines, poured on top of shallow interviews with politicians masquerading as 'tough questions'. I don't get it.
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I'm going to spend the afternoon going through e-mail and checking out recent blog posts here and elsewhere. I'll addend this post as I find interersting or relevant articles/posts.
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Well, it turns out that I get a Comment Submission Error and the Alterne+ dot org site with the summary is questionable. I have tried to post this message several times but have been rejected. Try searching the .org site for ...story/29827.... I hope this helps you.
Posted by: Dale at January 08, 2006 05:52 PM (Dujiz)
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Well, he admitted to BRIBING the Chairman of the House Administration Committee, Bob Ney (Republican-Ohio).
There's a lot more that's going to come out--he's now a cooperating witness.
Posted by: Geek, Esq. at January 08, 2006 06:47 PM (oNxRU)
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I'm in the same boat as you. I read the initial indictment about SunCruz and couldn't detect the underlying crime. Mail and Wire fraud are nebulous crimes. The actual transmissions don't even have to be fraudulent.
The Information about the Indian Casino deal seems to be, in part, about Abramoff overcharging the tribe. Given the amount of money that the tribes saved--or made--as a result of Abramoff, I don't see a crime.
Geek, where in the plea deal does it say he admitted to bribing Ney? http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abramoff/abr10406plea.pdf
The job of a lobbyist is to gain influence with legislators and to persuade them that their client's position is the right one. I don't see how it can be proved that Ney was bribed.
I also don't trust Federal Prosecutors.
Posted by: Sue Bob at January 08, 2006 07:13 PM (cskP4)
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Please don't quote me, but I seem to remember hearing something about the creation of fake Corporations, and using them for fraudulent billing.
Posted by: dave at January 08, 2006 08:11 PM (CcXvt)
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I guess Libs are under the impression this makes any difference.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 08, 2006 08:24 PM (8e/V4)
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Corruption seems to be the new cornerstone of the Republican Party. Abramoff is hardly the only corrupt republican to get caught or caught up in corruption/ethics scandals, or investigations lately - google - cunningham, pombo, ney, noe, scanlon, delay, doolittle, rove, libby, this list could go on for pages and it will.
Tha's the Republican Culture of Corruption and Cronyism.
Posted by: steve at January 08, 2006 08:57 PM (6hT/C)
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Hope you get up to speed soon. It's breathtaking. I've been blogging Abramoff for over a year now. Where've you been?
Check out Mohammad Atta being on Abramoff's Sun Cruz gambling boat, and check out the murder of Abramoff's partner, Gus Boulis. For sure the Florida prosecutor will be questioning Abramoff and the other surviving partner Kidan soon.
Posted by: Maezeppa at January 08, 2006 09:15 PM (AsrJM)
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Three federal counts: Conspiracy, tax evasion and mail fraud stemming from Capitol Hill influence peddling on behalf of Indian gaming clients.
Posted by: Drew at January 08, 2006 10:53 PM (oxMjD)
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I saw the McLaughlin Report this morning and it convinced me that there's something pretty rotten here. For one thing, there was apparently a murder involving people that Abramoff had hired to protect from from the person murdered. Maybe there's an explanation, but it looks dark indeed.
But more to the point, the speed with which the Republican leadership has managed to produce this level of corruption is staggering, since it took the Dems roughly 50 years to achieve the same level of corruption. My point isn't that Republicans are more vulnerable to corruption, but that something is seriously wrong with "the system." I have no doubt that Dems will succumb just as quickly (or even more quickly) if they come to power. It may simply be that Qutb was right, that there's a "horrible schizophrenia" at the core of western liberalism. It may also be that we can overcome it. (I think we can.) But so far, we haven't even begun.
The "ownership society" is, I think, the "way out." But someone had better start taking that seriously pretty soon, or we're really screwed. I feel almost transcendentally angry, and it's not about Michael Moore. Abramoff was one of the people that I'd have trusted implicitly. I was simply gullible, and kind of stupid. His ilk ought never to have been trusted.
Posted by: Demosophist at January 08, 2006 11:42 PM (iObV6)
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So, do the Indians get their money back or what? How much money are we talking about here?
With all this influence peddlin' - did the Indians get their money's worth? - or did they simply get screwed again?
Posted by: hondo at January 09, 2006 12:05 AM (3aakz)
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indeed, that is why I said not to quote me

I was half listening while reading, and I thought they had said something in regards to him setting up Corporations, and using those Corporations to bill clients for services that he did not perform [fake billing?].
My bad.
Posted by: dave at January 09, 2006 12:15 AM (CcXvt)
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It appears in the plea agreement that he only pled guilty to conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud and wire fraud. That's not the same thing as being convicted of influence peddling.
The Government hasn't proven bribery or cheating the Indians and they have dismissed all such charges. Wire and mail fraud are pretty malleable charges. The actual transmissions don't actually have to be fraudulant. They just have to be tied to transactions the government says are fraudulent. This is another instance of a man being convicted (albeit through a plea) without the underlying crime being proved.
Posted by: Sue Bob at January 09, 2006 07:49 AM (cskP4)
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Demophist,
What I read in the Weekly Standard article I linked above, was that at a meeting between Kidan and Boulis (Abramoff was not there), Boulis became angry and allegedly stabbed Kidan in the neck with a pen or pencil. Kidan is the person who hired people to protect him from Boulis, not Abramoff.
I'm just trying to parse through all this to see exactly what Abramoff is actually tied to. The MSM is terrible at that.
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US News & World Report had an informing article on this late last year. Not sure of the exact date but I honestly hadn't heard of any of it till I read their article. Personally I tired of the Dems complaining when you look at their rolls of who took money and how much. Both sides are dirty, period. I'm all for term limits, no long term benefits, and make it where they have to come home and go to work thru the year. It would stream-line the gov't, save tons of money and cut out much of the corruption that is rampant today with the current system.
Posted by: Debby at January 09, 2006 08:43 AM (DbBZu)
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The scandal is that every sonofabitch in Congress is bought and paid for, regardless of party affiliation, and always have been, always will be. It's really a shame that the plane that crashed in Shanksville didn't make it to the Capitol building, and find every lowlife crapweasel Congrescritter inside; the damned jihadis trying to do us a favor by taking out Congress, though they thought they were hurting us. Just think, no more Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, et al. They almost saved us that day, but the passengers stopped them in an act of bravery that in retrospect was misguided.
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Doh! Typo alert:
"the damned jihadis trying to do us a favor" should read
"the damned jihadis tried to do us a favor"
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 10:25 AM (0yYS2)
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Reflections on a Policy Void
It used to be that it took over 50 years in power for one of the major political parties to become so corrupt that they had to be replaced, and during that time the opposition was compelled to actually learn something of benefit to the culture in order to deserve the mantle. But the Abramoff scandal comes barely ten years after the Republicans finally achieved power in Congress... and even that wasn't absolute. Even as late as 2000 the Democrats were competitive, and even now Democrats have a slight edge in party registration. Yet, the Republicans have managed to manifest one of the most profound corruption scandals in US history and the democrats will have to re-assume control of congress without having introduced a single new idea in 50 years, and during an era in which most Americans simply don't trust them (with good reason) with the security of the nation.
A year ago I would have said that the Democrats were on the verge of extinction as a party, and that by 2008 the future would involve a single-party "unity" government that would eventually spilt into two competing factions, both of Republican origin. Moreover, I don't regard the failure of the Republicans as a misreading of history. They have failed. As far as the economy is concerned they've simply demurred, barely even bothering to pay lip service to some good ideas (originally introduced by a Democrat, Patrick Moynihan). There really is no such thing as the "ownership society" you know, nor is there likely to be within our lifetime. And not only have they done nothing to diminish the deficit, they've done nothing to so much as recognize the primary challenge. For all the good they've done, they might as well have been Democrats.
While it's true that most of the new ideas in governance have come from Republican think tanks, they haven't even addressed the central issue: the comparative nonproductivity of US labor compared to a combination of technological capital and offshore labor. So we now have a situation, in the midst of what appears to be a genuine war (and not, as Michael Moore would have us believe, a "war mirage") where we'll be compelled to switch from one barely competent party, to another decidedly incompetent party, simply because we have no other options. The "engine of competitiveness" has simply not worked and both parties are out-to-lunch. We are sorely bereft of leaders, and of ideas... with an implacable enemy looking down our throats, cocked and ready. Anyone inclined to rejoice had better think again. And there's really no reason to believe we're at the bottom of the curve, either. While the Chinese are scaling up their human potential, we're scaling down. While they're investing we're divesting.
I, for one, am unsure. It's hard for me to even imagine a place for myself, let alone a bright future. I have some ideas, but haven't sold any, let alone myself. Like many in my generation I'm grievously underemployed, and my impression of the thirty-something generation that's currently ready to assume power is that they're impressed by superficial appearance but have not a clue what "substance" means. They're even more vain and distracted than my own generation, if that's possible. They amount to the equivalent of what R.B. Fuller once described as "Industrial Designers" who, if they were tasked with building a ship, would produce a sinking raft of toilet plumbing and wallpaper designs floating down the Hudson to the sea. For the most part they're rather mean-spirited and ignorant brats who will be compelled to learn 40 years of life in 10 just to survive, and who have been handicapped with an unserious attitude about serious things. They'll end up killing most of us before our time.
But you know, I don't really mean that... I'm just saying it for dramatic effect.
Sure I am.
(Cross-posted to Demosophia)
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The deficit has been substancially reduced. Check it out
Posted by: Arthur Teel at January 09, 2006 06:48 AM (ZEMUF)
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Demosophist. I see this more as a blessing in disguise. The Republican Party gets a good house cleaning, which it desperately needed, while the Democrats flaunt their smug superiority and do nothing about the corruption in their own party. Some will get swept up in the dust pan over this, but the media will see to it that the focus is elsewhere. I don't care how many Republicans they arrest over this, it will never make me vote for a Dem
just because of it. The corrupt Republicans got fair warning and did not heed it. How long ago did they get the Democrat handbook which said, "Indict, indict, indict" ?
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I hope you're right Oyster, but I think this is just an occasional rebalancing of which crooks are in charge. All of Congress should be taken out and shot for treason, dereliction, and stupidity.
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I kind of agree with you, Maxie. However, I may be a little naive in thinking there are still a few good ones.
While the Democrats and the media masturbate over the Abramoff scandal the Aspen Institute is still flying the likes of Barbara Boxer (and a glut of other Democrats) to every exotic destination her little heart desires in pursuit of promoting a socialist utopia under the guise of "education".
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There may be a few good ones, but why aren't they screaming about the corruption? The silence is deafening. If we start splitting hairs, then it won't make a good example. I would love to see the Army and Marines surround the Capitol, march the scum out in handcuffs, and execute them on the steps. This country needs a real revolution, with no quarter for those who betray it.
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E-Mail Apologies
I have well over 500 unread e-mails. If it was important, please e-mail me again.
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You never did respond to the hundred or so "HERBAVIG - STRENGTHEN YOUR MANHOOD!" e-mails I sent you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 09:35 AM (0yYS2)
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I feel like Charie Brown, my Master gets 500 emails I got a rock! (oh about 20 the whole time).
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Jawapalooza Atlanta: Are Georgia bloggers more fun than Colorado bloggers?
Can Georgia bloggers party or what? Let me thank Zonker from
Thunder and Roses for organizing the Atlanta blog-meet while I was in town. Good times were had by all.
Until the Jan. 5th meeting in Atlanta, I was under the impression that those Rocky Mountain bloggers were the biggest party animals in the blogosphere. Overblown accounts of drunken orgies by Jeff Goldstein and Steve Green left me with that ill-informed impression.
These guys are serious about meeting other bloggers and were the first bloggers to leave me with the impression that they had 'real' relationships with each other that go beyond the occasional post-pimpage or e-mail. The three bloggers from Georgia had all been to larger blog-meets. From their many stories of excess, I'd suggest going to any and all blog-meets put together by Georgia bloggers.
Denny from Grouchy Old Cripple was there. He was grouchy. He was old. He was a cripple. He was a blast. I've never met someone who actually seem to enjoy wine more. Except maybe for this one wine-o, and that was a long time ago. His account of the meet is here.
Key, from Key Issues, was as lovely as she was interesting. Key seems keen on knowing my real identity. Because she was such a sport, here is the post that reveals all. Super-sikret message to Key: about that blog idea of yours, let me know how I can help.
Zonker, from Thunder and Roses, put the whole thing together. It was quite shocking to learn that this tattooed mullet-head actually drove a Honda Civic rather than the 1987 Z-28 Camaro that I was expecting. Thanks for putting it all together Zonker and for the ride back to the hotel.
Besides myself, there were two other non-Georgia bloggers at Jawapalooza, Atlanta. Chris from Signifying Nothing was totally cool and has his account here. Bryan S. from Argue with Signposts was decent enough to hang out with me all day and then to post this picture of every one--including me! Oh, and Bryan, you left your tie in my car!
Next Jawapalooza events: Chicago, April 13th or 14th. London, sometime between May 14th - 20th. E-mail me for details.
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It was great to meet you, Rusty. You'll definitely have to make one of the full-blown Jawja blogfests. Bring a spare liver, though.
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I got to meet Jawa Man! And feed 'im a salad! Thanks for the kind words, hon. I look forward to the day that we'll be on a first name basis.
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Rusty is back, biyatches (and working on the blog-sabbath too!)
I'm back. Miss me?
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Horribly. Glad to see you're back. The talent you have laboring for you is top-notch, but nothing beats the Lord Jawa hisself.
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Hey Rusty, good to have you back. Men are such pigs. They walk out on their blog, too busy for anyone else and then they come back expecting everyone to have missed them.........sorry about that, I channelled Dr. Phil for a minute there. It must be my cold medication.
Posted by: Graeme at January 08, 2006 03:32 PM (4CbWE)
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Welcome back, Rusty!
Graeme, get well soon, haha!
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Thanks JJ. Damn Viruses!
Posted by: Graeme at January 08, 2006 04:04 PM (4CbWE)
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Phew! Now I only need to post on 3 blogs!
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Thanks, it's good to be back!
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Welcome back Master!!! I'm giddy.
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It Works!
Whatever it was itÂ’s done now I get to play catch up.
A DemocratÂ’s loyalty $27, this clip priceless!
Via Mudville Gazette : Yes sir my name is Mark Seavey and I just want to thank you for coming up here. Until about a month ago I was Sgt Mark Seavey infantry squad leader, I returned from Afghanistan. My question to you, (applause)
"Like yourself I dropped out of college two years ago to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and I went and I came back. If I didn't have a herniated disk now I would volunteer to go to Iraq in a second with my troops, three of which have already volunteered to go to Iraq. I keep hearing you say how you talk to the troops and the troops are demoralized, and I really resent that characterization. (applause) The morale of the troops that I talk to is phenomenal, which is why my troops are volunteering to go back, despite the hardships they had to endure in Afghanistan.
"And Congressman Moran, 200 of your constituents just returned from Afghanistan. We never got a letter from you; we never got a visit from you. You didn't come to our homecoming. The only thing we got from any of our elected officials was one letter from the governor of this state thanking us for our service in Iraq, when we were in Afghanistan. That's reprehensible. I don't know who you two are talking to but the morale of the troops is very high."
Iran reaps what it sows. Yes now Al-Qaeda has taken twelve Iranians Hostage. It just seems to me that Iran supports Islamic Jihad right? Just once maybe the Middle East might look at the general support of terrorism to achieve goals that leads to the rise of groups like Al-Qaeda. But no got to blame America. I guess killing all those Al-Qaeda and Taliban is “aiding them”. Well it’s the kind of aid they need in my book.
Foxnews: The Americans use such groups against Iran since they could not directly approach Iran," the Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Iran's Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi as saying... ..."The kidnappers are under the influence of the Taliban," .
But there is more.
Foxnews : Don't you think that continuation of genocide by expelling Jews from Europe was one of their aims in creating a regime of occupiers of Al-Quds (Jerusalem)?" the official Islamic Republic News agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying (last)Sunday. "Isn't that an important question?"
First of all thatÂ’s just nutty secondly just how did the Jews end up in Europe to start with. Is that not in important question? Again the root source of the problem lies with the Near East but there they go again. Not that Muslims really care all that much anyway.
Funny how this statement From Al-Zawahiri was not released just after the two numbnuts blew up last week.
Asshole Via CNN : “today I congratulate everyone for the victory in Iraq. You remember, my dear Muslim brethren, what I told you more than a year ago, that the U.S. troops will pull out of Iraq. It was only a matter of time.”
Yeah Asshole, if you consider murdering 140 Muslim innocents to get at 11 of our men victory. Oh and you forgot to thank Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and other antiwar Democrats, how rude. We are kicking Al-Qaeda's ass and every time they try it only multiplies the number of those who hate them. They see us as week because thatÂ’s how they perceive you sir. DonÂ’t work to make that that reality.
Al-Jazeera helps out wife of Hostage.
The wife of Norman Kember, a British hostage held in Iraq with three other Western peace activists since November, has appealed through Aljazeera to his captors for his release.
Yes Al-Jazeera has been quite a big help this week. If you are a terrorist and you need to communicate that is. Please, tell us who chose the release time on that tape from Al-Qaeda #2? (we all know what #2 means)
Actually I hope for the release of Norman Kember and the others ASAP. If the terrorists have an ounce of humanity they will release him immediately.
Dusting crops ainÂ’t like flying through hyper-space kid!
Scottsman: The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.
IÂ’m sorry that was totally unrelated to anything. Jawa Tradition.
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It's pretty obvious to me that the Democrats have left the realm of loyal opposition and have entered the realm of traitors. Yes, TRAITORS!!!!!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 08, 2006 01:03 PM (rUyw4)
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You just now figuring that out JJ?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 08, 2006 01:33 PM (0yYS2)
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Well, IM, some of them at least pretended to love their country. It seems that they have all gone off the deep end now. Fricking unbelievable is what it is!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 08, 2006 03:47 PM (rUyw4)
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I saw this clip on C-SPAN today, but had to shut it off in disgust when some crusty old fool started bitching about the "PALESTINIAN PEEEEEOPLE!!!" Can't anybody have any type of debate without some jerk-o screaming about the "right of return" and other such bullshit?
I miss the days when "Free Mumia!" was the mating call of the nutball left.
Posted by: Abdullah al-Libi at January 08, 2006 07:38 PM (S3UBA)
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Civil War ?? no more elections ?? well Joe if you really believe that you should probably do something about all those traitors.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 09, 2006 09:40 AM (TcoRJ)
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John Ryan: Civil War, no more elections? Do you claim to be psychic now, John?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 09, 2006 10:26 AM (rUyw4)
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Liberals should just all be slaughtered like the vermin they are. I wish the hell they'd get busy with their revolution I keep hearing about, my ammo is starting to pile up.
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Yeah, John, the last time I checked it was against the law to be a traitor. I suggest they be tried in a court of law. Why are you suggesting a civil war and ending elections?
And who would fight? Surely you're not suggesting that liberals would fight a civil war, are you John? I think they are all a bunch of chickenshits, myself. So enough about a civil war.
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No Hostage Taking Here, That's Fershur
Oh, go ahead and call me an intolerant Islamophobe, I could give less than a turd. I find this
bottom-of-the-story paragraph quite telling:
About 2 million pilgrims from around the world were expected to perform the rites of the hajj. About 60,000 troops are at the ready to ensure everything runs smoothly. More than 2,000 pilgrims have died at the hajj since 1987.
Unlike, say, the Vatican, or the Temple Mount, no non-Muslim is allowed to step foot inside of Mecca.
If this is the Religion Of Peace, why are 60,000 troops needed to keep order for the hajj?
You are more than welcome to compare this to the number of NYPD used to keep order in Times Square on New Year's Eve, or the number of police used to keep order at the Vatican for the Christmas Mass.
But keep in mind that all manner of faiths, creeds, nationalities, colors, yada yada yada are welcome in Times Square and the Vatican, and Israel.
Seems to me that the real Islamophobes just happen to be Muslims.
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"Unlike, say, the Vatican, or the Temple Mount, no non-Muslim is allowed to step foot inside of Mecca. If this is the Religion Of Peace, why are 60,000 troops needed to keep order for the hajj?"
Gemstones and manure are both valuable. Notice, however, that we only post guards at the former.
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"You are more than welcome to compare this to the number of NYPD used to keep order in Times Square on New Year's Eve, or the number of police used to keep order at the Vatican for the Christmas Mass."
The difference between posting cops in Times Square and troops in Mecca is that no one calls drunken idiots on New Years Eve members of the something of "peace".
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In the article, the phrase "to ensure that everything runs smoothly" is quite a euphimism. I'm not sure of the years in which they've occured, but I am sure that in addition to the regular stampedes, the hajj has seen numerous gun fights as well as 400 pilgrims being taken hostage in Mecca at one point. That's quite the holy place.
Posted by: Graeme at January 08, 2006 04:11 AM (tUIkN)
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Notice how they'll say
"This is a time when emotions run high," instead of the correct,
"This is a time when full-blown psychosis manifests itself."
Posted by: Oyster at January 08, 2006 05:02 AM (YudAC)
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Someone offer Ali G 10 million to Prank the HAJ next year.
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Good question about the number of troops for the Haj vs the number of participants and a comparison to other celebratory events. Anybody any good at finding this info? The article talked about troops so I do not know if they excluded policemen or not.
I found this comment to the SFO Board of Supervisors from a legislative analyst on police support for protest activities:
" Similar logic is used for non-protest activities: when the Philharmonic played in Central Park, there were approximately 30,000 spectators and 60 officers (a ratio of 500:1); when Garth Brooks performed there were 100,000 fans and 1,000 police officers (a ratio of 100:1); during the New Year's Eve celebrations in Times Square, there are approximately 100,000 people in the streets and 4,000 to 5,000 police (a ratio of 20:1)."
(Note: I have seen estimates that New Years Eve brings out 2 million revelers in NYC but no clarity in number of police employed that one night.)
The Hajj takes place over a month and that may impact the number of police/military employed, too.
If anyone has a talent in researching this type of info, I would like to know what you find.
Wikipedia has some info to start you off and talks about the crowd control problems that have occurred.
Posted by: Dale at January 08, 2006 09:48 AM (Dujiz)
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Does anyone understand the allusion shannon was trying to make about guarding manure piles? Does he?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 08, 2006 10:15 AM (0yYS2)
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Isn't the Hajj where they go somewhere to throw stones at statues?
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All I wanna know is why, if this is the Religion of Peace, and only members of the Religion of Peace are allowed to go there, do they need any troops at all?
Of course massive security is needed at those other places, because everyone knows America and Israel are the
real terrorist nations, and the Vatican is where the evil Crusades started.
Of course us bloodthirsty Westerners need policing.
Heh.
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"All I want to know is why, if this is the religion of peace, and only members of the religion of peace are allowed there, do they need any troops at all?
An obvious answer, it is not a religion of peace. That simple.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 08, 2006 04:02 PM (rUyw4)
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All this for a large suspected meteorite? I don't get it.
Posted by: hondo at January 08, 2006 11:41 PM (3aakz)
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AP-Ipsos Poll On Warrantless Intercepts Used Biased Sample
The
AP-Ipsos Poll making the mainstream media rounds claims that a majority of Americans want the administration to obtain warrants for all "eavesdropping":
WASHINGTON - A majority of Americans want the Bush administration to get court approval before eavesdropping on people inside the United States, even if those calls might involve suspected terrorists, an AP-Ipsos poll shows.
The AP report on the poll acknowledges that results tended to fall along party lines:
Party affiliation is a factor, too. Almost three-fourths of Democrats and one-third of Republicans want to require court warrants.
Then why did the pollsters load the survey with voters registered to the Democratic Party? That's
not mentioned in the AP story; you have to visit the Ipsos website and download an
Adobe Acrobat file to see just who was questioned [emphasis added]:
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VOTERS
Strongly Republican .......................... 13
Moderately Republican ..................... 27
Definitely Independent/neither........... 8
Moderately Democrat........................ 32
Strongly Democrat ............................ 20
Refused/not sure............................. -
Total Republican ............................ 40
Total Democrat ............................... 52
In 2004, according to
Pew Research, Democratic voters had gained a small advantage over Republicans; 33% to 29%.
So why did AP-Ipsos choose to magnify that split by 300% in their poll? Three guesses, and the first two don't count.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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Er, to give lil' ernie a new factoid to screech about?
Posted by: hondo at January 08, 2006 01:53 AM (3aakz)
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AP and Pew measure party ID very differently. Both methods are defensible but you cannot compare the results the way you have. There was much discussion of party ID measurement before the 2004 elections; check the archives at mysterypollster.com for details.
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So, Joe Incognito, what you're saying is that Ipsos makes a reasonable claim that only 40% of the electorate is Republican compared to 52% Democrat? I disagree.
Btw, AP is the news agency; Ipsos does the polls. Therefore, you "cannot compare" AP and Pew the way you have done.
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Exactly, Joe Incog, that is the reason we had the networks refusing to call states like No. Carolina for Bush when he had a double digit lead. It was obviously done in an attempt to influence the election in favor of the Democrats.
What we needed immediately after the election was an investigation into the pollsters and their methods. I see they are still using their same flawed methods in an attempt to influence public opinion. Of course, they think that reporting the news is no longer their job, but facilitation, now brother, that is what the media is here for. Now we have a media that has entered the realm of Stalinism.
And once they embark on their Stalinist adventure, they should not be surprised by the reception they receive from the American people.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 08, 2006 01:24 PM (rUyw4)
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Maybe they did it to counter-act the results of last week's Rasmussen Poll: http://mediamatters.org/items/200601030004
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Yeah, Dave, Media Matters has a worldwide reputation for objectivity. I would certainly believe anything I read there.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 08, 2006 05:39 PM (rUyw4)
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Kinda like that untarnished cradle of objectivity, the DPB
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I don't pretend to be objective, Drew. I'm not an oh-so-fashionable citizen of the world. I'm on America's side.
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Understood and appreciated.
Posted by: Drew at January 08, 2006 11:38 PM (oxMjD)
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This is just manufactured outrage. It's an artifact of their coding scheme and the nuances of how people will respond when asked about party identification, which of course is not 1:1 with what they do in the voting booth.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday said the United States will not be successful in Iraq unless the political landscape better represents the country's minorities.
I keep writing something and then erasing it and writing something else. Then I erase it. So I'll sum my thoughts up with one word:
Idiot.
If you read the whole article, note the minority that is noticeably absent from Monsewer Obama's list.
I'll say one thing, the last thing a fledgling democracy needs is exported American liberal stupidity like affirmative action.
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The real question is, did the Senator address Iraq's health care situation?
Posted by: Cardinal Martini at January 08, 2006 04:13 AM (nLV11)
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Yeesh. He's all over the map. He comes up with an arbitrary
"six months or so", longer than a few weeks, shows little optimism in spite of massive successes, last year he calls for a phased pullout, this year he says it's too fragile to leave, but wants a "realistic" time frame. He's worried about the Sunni minority which was pulled along kicking and scratching all the way, but where's mention of the Kurds who are likely to be the most successful democratic faction?
Nope ... gotta make sure the dissenters and trouble makers are represented fairly. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
Posted by: Oyster at January 08, 2006 05:38 AM (YudAC)
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A better question is how could the people of Illinois elect this idiot to the Senate. I fear we are heading down that same road the British are on.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 08, 2006 09:56 AM (rUyw4)
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I listened to this moron on TV one night, and he made a great deal of noise about how his dad was a deadbeat third-world goatball-licker who knocked up a stupid liberal white girl then absconded back to Africa without contributing anything to his son's raising. (Shocking, I know. I have a hard time believing it too. Unheard of.) He also prattled on a while about how the proletariat must rise up and overthrow the evil white bourgeoisie, like his stupid liberal white whore mother, but in the whole screed, he said nothing of any substance whatsoever. The fact that Chris Matthews fellated him live on national television was in itself enough to convince me that once again, the dhimmis have picked a solid loser, guaranteed to get only the hardcore liberal moron vote. Bless them.
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"... but in the whole screed, he said nothing of any substance whatsoever."
Seems to be catching.
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JJ, I've been to Illinois, but only because I have cousins there, and from what I've seen, combined with their history of purposely electing the biggest crooks they can find, we're lucky Obama was the worst they did.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 09, 2006 10:34 AM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, Drew, you caught it on the previous thread. It's still with you.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 09, 2006 10:35 AM (rUyw4)
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Nothing that a good tree hug can't cure.
Posted by: Drew at January 09, 2006 11:53 AM (UHKaK)
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Go hug a black locust, that'll cure you of the urge, what with their poisonous, inch long thorns.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 10, 2006 08:51 PM (0yYS2)
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No, you go hug a black locust, what with their poisonous, inch long thorns.
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January 07, 2006
Sarah Bench-Salorio Gets Prison for Child Sex
(Orange County, California) Following up on previous reports (
here and
here), former teacher and prominent child molester, Sarah Bench-Salorio (
photos), was sentenced to six years in prison after pleading guilty to 29 counts of lewd conduct with three schoolboys.
From NBC4.tv:
In pronouncing sentence, Orange County Superior Court Judge Richard Toohey said Sarah Bench-Salorio, 29, had violated the trust parents put in teachers.
"One thing the court cannot escape as it relates to this matter ... is it involved the violation of trust ... the defendant being a teacher in the school system," Toohey said.
The judge said parents "expect there will be appropriate conduct" when they put their children in school.
"I realize there is no excuse for what I did," Bench-Salorio said Friday.
Bench-Salorio, an English teacher, entered her guilty plea Sept. 28 and could have been sentenced to a term between three and six years. She would have faced up to 64 years in prison had she gone to trial, defense attorney Allan Stokke said.
According to evidence at a hearing, Bench-Salorio molested three boys ranging in age from 12 to 14.
I contend that Bench-Salorio is being given a gift. Think of the damage she's done. Think of the victimized boys, their families, her own family, the school. Think of what would be the punishment for a man committing similar crimes.
We must also remember that one boy "estimated the number of times he and his teacher had sex by the condoms in a box that he went through -- 22 of them, he said -- and added that sometimes no condom was used." Bench-Salorio experienced no momentary lapse of judgment. She was engaged in the seduction and long-term, serial sexual molestation of children. The victims' parents called her a "pedophile and sexual predator." I agree.
Given all the circumstances, is six years reasonable punishment? I don't think so. Not even close. Bench-Salorio should be looking at double or triple that amount or more.
Nonetheless, her attorney, Allan Stokke is planning on wheelbarrowing a buttload of boo-hoos on the judge to get her sentence reduced. He'll say the married mother of three foster children is bipolar and suffers from depression and he will present doctor's reports and "all kinds of information" from "various people to show her absolutely excellent background."
What happens next is anyone's guess. Will the judge reduce the sentence? Maybe. It's a California judge in a California court.
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Could you imagine what sentence I, a 40-something male teacher, would get if I did something like this with female students? Or male students, for that matter.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at January 08, 2006 10:38 PM (iy7Eg)
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Hmmn. I think it's very interesting that you haven't heard anything in the media from the boys involved. I wonder if they feel victimized, or if this was consensual. If they feel no harm, and they do not feel victimized, six years is far too harsh a sentence.
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Jordan, by law an underage child cannot be "consensual". Feeling "no harm" or not "feeling victimized" has no merit on child rape.
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at January 09, 2006 05:57 AM (maXzk)
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Sara made mistakes in her life, and we cannot let it go unpunished. Does she deserve 6 years NO. She needs to be sentenced to a program where she can get the help she needs. I think it runs far deeper then we will ever know. Maybee look to her parents, and what happend to her as a child. Who can ever tell, but Sara is a good person, and has done 2 year almost in OCJ, I think she should be in a program where she can get the help she deserves, instead of set to prison where she will learn nothing, and have no responsability for her actions, in prison you only lose time, and DONOT get the help that as a human being you should recieve.
Posted by: PC OCJ 01 at January 09, 2006 03:13 PM (D+Me0)
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Yes, "BY LAW" no minor may be consensual. I think that's pretty stupid. What exactly happens.. .what epiphany occurs on your 18th birthday?
I know there's no easy answer to this (and I'm playing devil's advocate a bit

, but I think that it's somewhat silly to arbitrarily set an age.
I just think it's interesting that the world is drawn to these "newsporn" stories... but we never get to hear from the "victim". I think it's because we want to impose an innocence on them that may or may not be there. And we're afraid to hear the truth.
J
Posted by: Jordan at January 09, 2006 11:48 PM (kTN4S)
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I think she just went into the wrong line of work.
Posted by: Cindy at February 23, 2006 11:32 AM (sMpRz)
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No matter what anyone thinks, the boys were victims. They were underage and the teacher is in a position of authority over them. You might consider now what are parents or society to think if our morals and values are no longer upheld or respected. It's a shame that our society has anyone who pursues children to satisfy their deviant sexual behavior. What puzzles me is how many view a female predator differently from a male one. This woman got 6 years because she should have known better first of all, and secondly she was an authority figure. She is NOT a victim herself. I agree she may have underlying conditions which lead to her deviant behavior, but it was also her responsibility to seek help when she first realized her thoughts towards the young boys was more than acceptable friendly. We can't feel more sorry for her because she is female. A male or female should be given the same punishment for the same crime. I see some have also questioned why 18 year old is the age that society has chosen to use as the magic age children become adults. This was the most logical age based on mental development of MOST, not all. Maybe it's not the best age to choose, but society needs to set an age for many legal reasons. Some states say as young as 16. But, in order to give children the best chance at being ready to face lives in society as adults that line the sand is drawn at 18 years old as being the age an child is mentally capable of making a reasonable, educated decision for themselves. Consider just how ready is a 14 year old to make a decision that will affect them long term like having a child ??? I think most of us when we're young understand that what we thought we knew at that age.. when we got older we understood things in a different light. So, yes, those boys were victims and they may not realize it until later in life. The fact that the one boy told her parents of the incident says something to that effect. Nobody forced him to talk. Just my 2 cents worth. She got what she deserved...and it probably should be been more considering it was 3 boys.
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Female American Journalist Kidnapped In Baghdad
Terrorists have kidnapped a female American journalist and killed her Iraqi translator:
Scotsman—According to Mohamadawi, the translator told police before he died that she had been kidnapped and that they had been heading to meet Adnan al-Dulaimi, head of the Sunni Arab Iraqi Accordance Front who lives in the Adel neighbourhood - dominated by Sunni Arabs and considered one of toughest in Baghdad.
According to Samir Najim, a guard at al-Dulaimi's office, three armed men in a red Opel car intercepted the journalist's car and shot the translator before taking her in their car and driving away. ...
The journalist's name hasn't been revealed.
Cross-posted at OpinionBug.com
Update (1/7/2005 12:16pm):
The identity of the kidnapped woman remains unconfirmed, but two sources indicate she is Jill Carroll, a correspondent of the Christian Science Monitor:
Sources:
Euro News [ Euro News has removed all references to Jill Carroll ]
Kuwait News Agency (KUNA)
La Repubblica
Hat tip: Free Republic
Update (1/9/2005 3:58pm):
The Sunday Times Online had a story yesterday in which they said Al-Qaeda had released a statement claiming responsibility for her kidnapping:
Times Online—Attempts were being made last night to locate an American journalist who was kidnapped in Baghdad yesterday after a meeting with a senior Sunni politician. Her Iraqi translator was killed, writes Ali Rifat.
Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the kidnapping in a statement posted on the internet. ...
Jill, we're praying for your safe return.
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A number from 2 to 9, no questions, I'll check tomorrow.
Posted by: A Finn at January 07, 2006 08:38 AM (lGolT)
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Apparently she didn't get the memo - these people are crazy fanatics who accept the most ruthless indiscrimate violence directed at innocent men, women and children as completely legitimate - and anyone not with them are either infidels or heretics.
I guess she wants to understand them. good luck.
Posted by: hondo at January 07, 2006 09:25 AM (3aakz)
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If she's a euro-commie, she'll live. They're on the same side.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 07, 2006 09:35 AM (8e/V4)
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Anti-American - yes. But the left walks a strange fineline with radical islamic fundamentalists. Beyond the first line they have nothing in common, except suppressed hatred and fear.
One day, it will blow up in their faces - what is apparent is the left's fear and willingness to be intimidated by it.
In an odd way - being anti-American is safe.
Posted by: hondo at January 07, 2006 09:46 AM (3aakz)
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Note - typically the MSM and leftists would be tripping all over themselves to physically embrace and interview these guys - but this is not the case.
They will do it only from afar - less the make a mistake like her.
Posted by: hondo at January 07, 2006 09:51 AM (3aakz)
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It's extra-special news when a *female* journalist gets kidnapped, so that goes right out in front of the headline. I'm kinda jaded lately, so female journalists aren't high enough on my pity hierarchy to work me into a lather. Now, if she had been a developmentally disabled, blind, Jewish, HIV positive female journalist, that would have made my day, but the media let me down again. I feel so unmotivated.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 07, 2006 10:04 AM (dT1MB)
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Common sense would say that if one chose to travelling to a notoriously dangerous neighbourhood in a dangerous country, that necessary precautions would surely constitute more than just a translator - perhaps pay for armed body guards or an unmarked police escort or maybe just do the interview over the phone. Whatever the case, I hope she makes it out okay.
Posted by: Graeme at January 07, 2006 10:35 AM (xI1Fi)
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I read this article last night at blackfive:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/01/cnn_despicable_.html#comments
note this reference:
When we were doing offensive operations out here, we had 25 plus reporters from CNN, USA Today, the NY Times, Time Magazine, among others. Now that the bombs aren't dropping and the cities have been stabilized... we had 1 reporter here for the elections. She is from the Christian Science Monitor.
He was talking about elections, around the Syrian border.
might not be referring to the same, however.
Posted by: dave at January 07, 2006 12:24 PM (CcXvt)
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These female terrorist sympathizers seem to be deadly for the males involved. The poor driver killed. It was also the Intelligence Agent that was killed trying to ransome the horrid Italian communist journalist Sgreana. Of course, the Italians have handled this very maturely by deciding to charge the American soldier at the checkpoint instead of the cavalier communist whose antics led to the agent's death.
If the journalist does not issue a sympathetic statement on behalf of her misunderstood captors, I apologize for being too harsh.
Posted by: Kate at January 07, 2006 01:20 PM (n6ufo)
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She's American, not a communist European. The four peacekeepers are probably dead but I could be wrong.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 07, 2006 02:10 PM (5E0ex)
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And yes, apparently she didn't get the "GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ" memo. We'll being seeing her in a hostage video in a few days. She's an American so she will be held for some political demand.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 07, 2006 02:13 PM (5E0ex)
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She may be as anti-American as can be, but just the fact that she is American will probably get her killed. I hope she makes it out OK, but like I've said before, anyone walking around that country without a belt-fed machine gun pretty much deserves to be kidnapped simply out of principle. Darwin at work maybe?
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at January 08, 2006 01:18 AM (CtVG6)
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Does anyone know the name of the translator who was murdered?
Posted by: byrd at January 10, 2006 03:06 PM (G8flx)
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The Christian Science Monitor says his name is Allan Enwiyah; other sources say he is Alan John Ghazi.
Posted by: Tim at January 10, 2006 03:42 PM (5rYy9)
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Shes crazy tring to make a report, while in middle of a battle zone! but she'll be missed when her deadline expires & gets killed. I wonder if they're going to have a video of her execution like they do the other american or other hostages?
Posted by: Jeremy at January 18, 2006 06:23 AM (ZqEK2)
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Now is the time to Pray, Pray, Pray!
Posted by: Sue at January 19, 2006 04:23 PM (xzwzw)
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It is time to Pray but also time to understand that what She did was for the common good and that should be for both American and Iraqi people! And as the people for common good I apeal to the hearts of those who have her. Please free her she is full of love and grace you can see it her face!
Posted by: Omyra at January 19, 2006 11:51 PM (O+jgl)
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She is anti-American, she deserves it!!!
Posted by: Jay at January 23, 2006 12:54 AM (KgZHj)
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Drudge: Dems Will Try To Bork Alito
Matt Drudge Report is
reporting that Senate Democrats are planning a final, scorched-earth attack against Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito:
Democrats hope to tie Alito to Concerned Alumni of Princeton (CAP).
Alito will testify that he joined CAP as a protest over Princeton policy that would not allow the ROTC on campus.
THE DRUDGE REPORT has obtained a Summer 1982 article from CAP’s PROSPECT magazine titled “Smearing The Class Of 1957” that key Senate Democrats believe could thwart his nomination!
In the article written by then PROSPECT editor Frederick Foote, Foote writes: “The facts show that, for whatever reasons, whites today are more intelligent than blacks.”
Alito had no part in writing or endorsing the CAP article, but apparently the Dems are going to launch a guilt-by-association assault. Read the whole article; the cast of characters in the Dem lineup includes a man who likes to compare farm animals to victims of the Holocaust.
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I'm looking forward, too, to Dianne Feinstein further expounding on her morbid fascination with whom she thinks we should allow, by law, to be killed
"out of compassion". The old, the sick and the unborn. That woman has real issues. Just listen to her. She glides effortlessly from the topic of abortion to euthanasia with smug, superior morality. She gives me the shivers.
Posted by: Oyster at January 07, 2006 06:36 AM (YudAC)
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Good chance hearings will degenerate solely into grandstand playing to Dem lib/left base for '06. Could just as easily backfire - in full view on national TV. Dems still can't figure out how to reach or motivate anyone else outside base - and I'm not talking about conservatives.
Could get real wacky with lots of BDS on display on issues having nothing to due with hearings.
Hondo's always looking for an opportunity.
Posted by: hondo at January 07, 2006 09:32 AM (3aakz)
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Does not matter. Democrats suck. People know this.
Posted by: newc at January 07, 2006 11:27 AM (f/QTU)
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Dems will give long speeches in the form of a "question." The MSM will provide ample coverage and hightlight all the "vital" details.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 07, 2006 11:42 AM (8e/V4)
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Yer right newc, but not enough people yet, and if the idiot Republicans don't clean up their act, the dhimmis might actually gain in November.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 07, 2006 11:44 AM (0yYS2)
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Does anyone know where to get streaming video of the hearings? I should have saved the link to it from the Roberts hearings.
Posted by: Oyster at January 08, 2006 06:36 AM (YudAC)
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Oh hey Oyster, regarding your first comment, I have some suggestions about who should be killed. Out of compassion, of course.
Well it could be considered a compassionate act to kill liberals for the good of the future of civilization, wouldn't it? We could let them starve to death, which according to them, would be a wonderful way to die.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 08, 2006 10:24 AM (0yYS2)
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January 06, 2006
New Study: Forests Aggravate Global Warming
From the
Edmonton Journal:
Canada's forests may actually worsen global warming rather than cool the planet, says a controversial study by a Stanford University physicist and environmental scientist.
Trees soak up massive amounts of energy from the sun. Much of this, he argues, is gradually released in the form of heat, especially in dark evergreen forests in the north, but also in temperate forests.
Unlike tropical forests, Canadian forests don't release much cooling moisture.
His computer model indicates that this warming influence is more powerful than the cooling job that forests do when they soak up carbon dioxide.
There you have it. It's Canada's fault. Those bastards.
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Not surprised. Ronald Reagan said as much back in the 80s, and Libs laughed at him, but as with everything, they are eventually proven wrong.
Libs want to do things the "new" way, we conservatives believe in time-tested ways. It's no wonder they're wrong so often.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 06, 2006 02:45 PM (8e/V4)
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Damn liberal Canadians! And they've been blaming the US and western Canada for all the GW problems in No. America while they disguised their diabolical plot to keep the Canadian forests from being cut and blaming GW on my pickup. Oh, the humanity! That liberal government in Canada should fall! Oh, it already fell. Serves them right, I say! Haha!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 06, 2006 03:34 PM (rUyw4)
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You've got to give the Canadians credit - their military may be on life support, but their special weapons projects kick ass: forests of mass destruction, killer cows, Celine Dion. Forget Iran. Get El Baradei over to Ottawa immediately!
Posted by: Graeme at January 06, 2006 04:08 PM (YOYhS)
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"forests of mass destrution, killer cows, Celine Dion..."
FOTFLMAO
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 06, 2006 04:20 PM (rUyw4)
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Save the Earth, destroy the trees! Honestly, this crap is getting riduculous. I wonder what it'll be tomorrow, oven-fresh biscuits?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 05:42 PM (0yYS2)
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IM,
What Bluto is trying to convey is the fact that GW is caused by a myriad of factors, most of which we do not understand. Our tampering might even cause the problem to worsen, rather than helping. I think that he might agree with my position, which is to causiously approach the problem, rather than saying we know what to do when in fact we don't.
I agree that reducing all emissions wouldn't hurt anything, that's for sure, but we don't need to jump on the Kyoto bandwagon. That treaty is flawed, and I really don't want to discuss the Kyoto protocols here because it will attract the moonbats.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 06, 2006 06:33 PM (rUyw4)
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I get it JJ, I was just trying to be clever.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 08:34 PM (0yYS2)
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Canadian ass kissers probably imported muslim trees to satisfy the rag head immigrants.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 06, 2006 09:21 PM (ZsYgO)
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ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!. For the second time in less than a year TEAM GREYROOSTER won first place in the recent yellowfin tuna tournament in Venice Louisana. Everyone on board is a conservative. Proof is in the ice chest. We kicked ass. Most fish. Biggest fish. 168 Lb Yellowfin Tuna.
Lost many that I consider would have been Louisana record.
Liberal asses. Open your canned tuna. Your betters eat better. Ah!
Posted by: greyrooster at January 06, 2006 09:52 PM (ZsYgO)
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Where's Cindy Sheehan ???. Heh, heh, heh.
Last report I had, was that she was enjoying a traditional muslim thanksgiving of Salmon and rice.
Yep! One thing about those sand dunes is that they produce a lot of Salmon and rice. How dumb can the bitch get?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 06, 2006 09:57 PM (ZsYgO)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 10:38 PM (0yYS2)
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Graeme, you made my morning! That was great.
Posted by: Oyster at January 07, 2006 06:50 AM (YudAC)
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It's always good to start the day with the "Blame Canda" song singing in your head! Thanks!;0)
Posted by: Lisa at January 07, 2006 11:13 AM (oJ7a4)
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oops, meant Canada, but does it really matter!
Posted by: Lisa at January 07, 2006 11:14 AM (oJ7a4)
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Lisa, nobody here would try to blame Canada for anything really, because Canada is completely inconsequential.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 08, 2006 10:26 AM (0yYS2)
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fukin dumbass american ignorant redneck bastards u got no clue...
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Ariel Sharon Dead?
Reports are circulating that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has died. Certainly he is very ill and he may very well be brain dead. Reports of favorable brain scans are for bleeding only.
World Tribune : Sharon was declared dead by physicians at Jerusalem's Hadassah Hospital before 1 p.m. Israeli time [6 a.m. EST]. Authorities have already been notified of the death, and a government announcement was expected to be issued over the next hour.... Â… A computed tomography scan taken on Friday morning showed little to no brain activity in Sharon. At that point, Sharon's son, Omri, called aides and senior officials to the hospital to prepare for an announcement of the prime minister's death.
Hat Tip : Filthy and Jay at Stop the ACLU who put it best.
If he isnÂ’t dead, he is at deathÂ’s doorway.
Also Michelle Malkin has updates and a roundup of Sharon Related links.
No major MSM source so far has confirmed this. But considering the complications Mr. Sharon has suffered the last 24 hours I feel it is likely that he may indeed pass on.
CBC's Adrienne Arsenault reports the following :
The CBC's Adrienne Arsenault, who has outside the hospital awaiting word of Sharon's condition, said there is intense interest in his prognosis, and some incorrect information is circulating. "There have been many rumours over the past 24 hours that Sharon had, in fact, actually died or was on life support," she said.
Developing....
Mere Rhetoric has more
Another doctor they got on the phone: "... despite this good news, the damage is undoubtedly extensive..."
Updated: Mr Sharon has indeed survived and is showing some response to pain. Demosophist adds that sever strokes can be survived. I agree My grandfather had two in a row and althouhg it took two years he did recover very well. So it's possible Mr. Sharon will do OK. But it''s a long hard road back and only time will tell.
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The only thing we know for sure is that the Sharon era is over. Tragic too, because he was set to increase his power base in the next elections. He hadn't even peaked yet.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 06, 2006 11:26 AM (8e/V4)
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CNN still reports him as alive, with improvement following brain scans...
Posted by: Venom at January 06, 2006 12:43 PM (dbxVM)
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Yep but those scans were for hemorrhaging they still do not know about function yet. The reports of pupil response are from Thursday. He is "alive" but just what does that mean? I've been surfing my ass of but it's kind of quiet right now.
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Howie is correct.
A CT scan CAN NOT show brain activity. It is just a fancy X-ray. A functional scan like an fMRI or a PET scan, sure, but the CT only shows injury/fluid accumulation.
Posted by: caltechgirl at January 06, 2006 02:43 PM (uI/79)
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Also, heard on FNC or CNN (can't remember which) that the Dr.'s wanted to pronounce before the surgery but they were urged by the Sharon family and the gov't. to take heroic measures. That might account for the death rumors.
Posted by: caltechgirl at January 06, 2006 02:45 PM (uI/79)
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Regardless of his condition, his time in politics is done.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 05:42 PM (0yYS2)
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I have a friend (who is nearly as prominent as Sharon) who suffered a massive stroke back in 2001. He is still alive, and by virtue of what we can determine is as intelligent as he was prior to the stroke. Howevere, because of aphasia he is simply unable to communicate effectively. Nor will he ever be able to, again. As a world leader Sharon is ended, though his value to his family and friends, and ever to some students, may go on for as long as a decade.
The Sharon era is over...
Posted by: Demosophist at January 06, 2006 07:25 PM (mYN2S)
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Wait for a BBC reporter to shed tears during a live report on Sharon...
Posted by: Matthew at January 06, 2006 07:52 PM (Y4Y6B)
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bye, bye to a good man. I guess.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 06, 2006 09:23 PM (ZsYgO)
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Im glad hes dieing. he caused great distress to the palestinian people. long live the suffering muslims that suffer because of sharon. maybe god decided to end his life like this, in the hospital, with his brain bleeding..
-mike jones
Posted by: thank god at January 06, 2006 10:06 PM (3dMfC)
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piece of shit,
better to die peacefully in hospital surrounded by friends and family than to die like your arab thug heroes died, blown up in their cars with their head and eyeballs scattered all over the pavement by Sharon's j-dams. The number of arab thugs Sharon killed during his life is far too many to count, but not nearly enough I gather. He is the equal of ten thousand arab thugs, and there isn't an arab alive who is worthy of clipping his toe nails.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 07, 2006 12:18 AM (8e/V4)
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It was bad enough having a crazed madman in possession of nuclear weapons before. Now he's CERTIFIED brain damaged, surely Israel's nuclear weapons need to be put out of his use, there's no telling what he could do.
Posted by: Eli Cohen at January 08, 2006 03:14 PM (/vIxk)
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at least its a brave death not cowards like the jews
Posted by: ascon at January 09, 2006 08:30 AM (vccvc)
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May Sharon roast in hell, piece of scum jew.
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Bail Denied in Lodi Terror Case
There's a new development in the
Lodi terror case.
From SacBee.com:
U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. ruled that the Lodi properties proposed as collateral and the owners of the properties do not offer adequate assurance that Umer Hayat will not flee to his native Pakistan.
Judge Burrell made the most prudent decision.
I think that, had bail been granted, Umer Hayat would have disappeared.
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You mean there's a judge that isn't a total batshit leftard? That
is a shock.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 08:22 AM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, in California no less.
Posted by: Mike at January 06, 2006 11:57 AM (yurOk)
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They should secretly sedate him, implant a tracking chip somewhere in his body, let him out on bail, and let him lead them to his buddies in whatever shithole he runs to.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 06, 2006 05:44 PM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, but don't worry, the decision is being appealed to the 9th Circus.
Posted by: KG at January 06, 2006 09:18 PM (eRMCR)
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Umer is an asshole. Umer'a mother is an asshole. Umer father is a faggot. Umer's family are dogs. Piss on them.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 06, 2006 09:27 PM (ZsYgO)
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