July 27, 2005

San Diegans Overwhelmingly Favor Transfer of Soledad Cross to Feds

With the majority of precincts reporting, San Diegans voted overwhelmingly yesterday to transfer the historic Mount Soledad cross site to the federal government. The site contains a 43-foot concrete cross that has been at the center of the controversy since a 1989 lawsuit.

The city-owned land has long been recognized locally as a war memorial. Surrounding the cross are more than 1,600 plaques commemorating military veterans who have participated in the defense of America. By attaching an amendment to a military appropriations bill last November, area congressmen Duncan Hunter and Randy "Duke" Cunningham provided a way where a federal transfer of the site could occur, provided the city would allow such a move. The vote on Tuesday (July 26) -- in which more than 75 percent of voters chose to transfer the property to the federal government as a national war memorial -- sent a clear message that the public supports the move.

In 1989 attorney James McElroy, representing atheist Philip Paulson, sued the City of San Diego for maintaining a religious symbol on public property. McElroy made it clear before yesterday's vote that he intends to continue challenging the case in court. "This will be resolved in the courtroom where it deserves to be resolved -- and not in front of the voters," McElroy told the North County
Times
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Typical liberal moonbat mindset, don't let the people decide, let courts overrule the public will through some nimrod judge with a similar ideology. For the most part the left can't win at the ballot box on most issues, their last and only refuge is the courts.

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Posted by: Traderrob at 09:04 PM | Comments (21) | Add Comment
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1 >>>For the most part the left can't win at the ballot box on most issues, their last and only refuge is the courts. That's why judicial nominees are life and death to Libs, and that's why they are intent on appointing judicial activists to further the Liberal agenda. Conservatives have no such need because we win at the ballot box, which is why we are content to appoint strict constructionists. You Libs should be ashamed and disgusted with yourselves. You're ruining this country with your hatred of christianity and your corruption of our courts.

Posted by: Carlos at July 27, 2005 09:45 PM (8e/V4)

2 Carlos, FALSE Christians are in charge, making non-Christians even more Christian than the so-called leaders.

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 27, 2005 09:57 PM (ScqM8)

3 Geez DSM your ramble sounds something like double-secret probation

Posted by: Darleen at July 28, 2005 12:42 AM (FgfaV)

4 DSM, that didn't even make enough sense for me to disagree with it.

Posted by: Carlos at July 28, 2005 01:15 AM (8e/V4)

5 BUSH is a FALSE CHRISTIAN who KILLS in JESUS' NAME. Jesus never killed anyone nor approved of such sickminded heresies.

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 28, 2005 03:14 AM (ScqM8)

6 God damn it. Take your medication you friggin nutcase. Hey Guys and Gals! We should be finished with Downing Street Moron. He's toast. Burnt out between the ears. Lost it. Stone nutso. Sick, Sick, Sick. Where are the guys in the white jackets when you need them. Can you believe the crap his has been posting? Another one bites the dust. This one is finished.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 06:25 AM (eVGfQ)

7 Klanrooster, your mind is just a sponge soaked in gravy. Racist MF twisty-brained ho!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 28, 2005 06:36 AM (ScqM8)

8 Philip Paulson should live in Iraq, where there aren't a lot of crosses for him to worry about.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 28, 2005 09:17 AM (x+5JB)

9 this is a case of where the few{aethists} are trying to push/force their views on the many{Christians/Jews}....isnt thhis what this country is based on????...the majority rules, correct???...since when has the few been allowed to shut up the many???....something is very wrong with the liberal parties in this country....seems everytime i look in the paper or read the Netscape News or many of the websites i check out, aethists, illegal aliens, Islamicfascists,criminals, have more rights than i do....time to stop this madness

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 09:32 AM (9gFP6)

10 Very true, Thanos35. We go way way overboard to please the whiners in this country. Are they really hardcore about their beliefs? Okay, let them give me every piece of their money that has the word "God" on it.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 28, 2005 10:35 AM (x+5JB)

11 Send DSM to Iraq and see if his buddies the terrorists like him ... or saw his head off with a dull knife.

Posted by: Jonathan at July 28, 2005 10:35 AM (6krEN)

12 Why would they name their town "Whale's Vagina"

Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 28, 2005 02:27 PM (5ceWd)

13 Filthy, ive seen and heard even stranger names for some of these little towns...but it is amusing

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 06:24 PM (9gFP6)

14 while i am a Christian Roman Catholic i am not a hardcore follower...i do not always agree with the choices that come out of Rome, but i also am not happy with what i see as an assault on the Christian faith in the US....yes, i do believe in the seperation of church and state though i see it as an attempt to keep the Church from ruling the country and having great power over the government like it used to have in Europe during the Middle Ages....i do think that God should be allowed on our money, whats the big deal in that????....The Ten Commanments in courts is fine too...yes it has to do with the Hebrew religion and was adopted by the Christian faith but i beleive that they are a very universal set of rules, if you like...whats wrong with them being on display in a court???...doesnt a court deal with laws???..and what are the Ten Commandments but laws, ancient laws but laws none the less....Though shall not kill, Though shall not steal, etc,..whats wrong with them being in a court or any place public????...they should be seen as common sense rules...like the Golden Rule...Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...sounds all good to me...and yea, im no saint but i do my best to have respect for others as long as they give me some....

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 06:32 PM (9gFP6)

15 and one more thing....if i remember right, while Jesus preached peace and turning the other cheek, did he not also say to fight for what you believe in or what you believe is the right thing to do....am i getting this right here, id gladly like someone to let me know

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 06:35 PM (9gFP6)

16 Unfortunately I am a biblical illiterate, but Jesus made many references to the struggle between good and evil.

Posted by: traderrob at July 28, 2005 09:06 PM (3al54)

17 Did Jesus come to bring peace or not? (Matthew 10:34; Luke 2:14; 22:36 and Mark 9:50; John 14:27; 16:33; Acts 10:36) No Peace: (Matthew 10:34) - "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36and a manÂ’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Luke 12:51) - "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three..." (Luke 22:36) - "And He said to them, "But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one." Peace: (Mark 9:50) - "Salt is good; but if the salt becomes unsalty, with what will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another." (John 14:27) - "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives, do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. (John 16:33) - "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace..." (Acts 10:36) - "The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)." Context is the key to Jesus' words. In Matthew 10:34, Jesus is speaking about the divisions that will come, even among family members, over their belief or lack of belief about Him. In that respect, He has come to bring division. This context is also related in Luke 12:51. Luke 22:36 Jesus is preparing the disciples for His departure. He is telling them that they will need to provide for themselves and even protect themselves. Up to that time, everything they had needed had been provided. But, after the crucifixion and ascension, they would again be "on their own." They would need to work, provide for their families, and, if need be, protect their own; hence, the mention of the sword. Of course, the Bible teaches that Christians are to be peaceful, loving, and forgiving. But it also teaches that we are not required to sit idly by when persecuted unrighteously. The rest of the "peace" verses, teach just that: peace. Jesus did not contradict Himself. When we look at His words in context, we can see what He was saying and that there is no contradiction at all.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 29, 2005 07:41 AM (x+5JB)

18 P.S. I trust Rome in all Her decisions, as I am not a protestant.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 29, 2005 07:43 AM (x+5JB)

19 Thanos, I do not care if they have the 10 commandments in the courthouse. But if a group of Chinese Americans donated a statue of Buddist sayings about laws, and the court did not display those also, then I would care. The U.S. is now truly a real multiculturial country. As such, we should allow all other beliefs to be praticed also. As for the rest of what you said, I do agree with every thing but the Golden Rule. I prefer what I call the silver rule, "Do not unto others as you not have them do unto you." It is basically the same but here is what I see as different: Golden rule- I love history, I wish my wife would talk about history to me, there for I will talk about history to my wife. (My wife hates history.) Silver rule - I love history, I hate celebrity news. My wife loves celebrity news, hates history. I do not want my wife to talk to me about celebrity news, so I won't talk about history to her. YBP, thanks, I was looking for that Luke 22:36 quote, but could not find it. Greyrooster, In a different post, you stated something to the effect, "If I was religious, I would be catholic since they are the oldest Christians." Actually, I have been told that the Eastern Orthadox is older then Catholism. From what I have been told, and any other church scholars out here can correct me, Catholism supposedly came about because the Cardinal of Rome declared he should be first Cardinal, above that of Anitoch and other places. That caused the schism, and why the Orthadox are very unfriendly to the Pope.

Posted by: Butch at July 29, 2005 11:20 AM (Gqhi9)

20 Hey Butch: Eastern split from Rome, which was first. Peter was the first Catholic bishop (early 1st century A.D.), and his "HQ" was in Rome. Interestinf Golden/Silver Rule distinction, but couldn't you still just call it the Golden Rule? "I'll not talk about things that don't interest my spouse because I wouldn't want her to do this with me." Have a great weekend, and stay away from that "People" magazine!

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 29, 2005 12:03 PM (x+5JB)

21 Yes, I think I did have to make a distinction. To me it feels as if the Golden rule is trying to force me to do something, while the silver rule (once again to me), tells me just not to bother anyone. In other words, the Golden rule makes me feel like I must give aid, even if it is un asked for. (In a situtation, I would want help, so I should give it.) The Silver rule is just if you ask for help I can give it, but I will not force you to accept my help.

Posted by: Butch at July 30, 2005 10:04 AM (Gqhi9)

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