June 29, 2005
President Bush speaks full transcipt
Well I watched the presidents speech last night on my local Fox station who I may mention later. Well pretty good speech I think the President understood the importance of the speech. He seemed just about ready to break down a few times. I think it was genuine by the way he jumped off camera at the end and seems to not quite know where he was going for a minute there. Very emotional he was. I'll take that as an "I really care". So here is a link to the full transcript from CNN. It may take me a bit to get that WTW for you guys I did not get out quite as early as I'd hoped this AM
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I was listening to a local radio talk show this morning, one that's supposed to be fairly conservative, since this is a fairly conservative town, and they had my local US Rep, John Duncan on. I swear I had to stop and remember if he was a Republican or Democrat, but in the end I decided he is a spineless jellyfish who can only drift with the current.
He basically covered all the dhimmi talking point about why we need to get out of Iraq and abandon the Iraqi people to terrorism; he covered the cost, lives lost, Iraqi deaths, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, etc., ad nauseum. Basically he is a gutless chickenshit coward with no will of his own, and only thinks what he is told by the pollsters.
I'm completely sick of all the wimpy loser politicians who don't care about anything except whoring themselves for votes. They call themselves moderates, I call them cowards. This particular specimen of wimp not only is willing to allow a US defeat in the war on terror, but didn't have anything to say when Dick "Turban" Durbin called American soldiers Nazis. I am so pissed off and sick of it all, and I bet there are a lot of other people who feel the same. We've let the idiot liberals and traitors and cowards run free for too long, compromising our values and security along the way. America's only losses have occured because of the gutless cowards and traitors; Vietnam, the Iranian Embassy, the Beirut Marine barracks, Somalia, and now they're trying to make us lose Iraq and Afghanistan. It can't be long before people decide to take arms, rise up, and take the country back, because frankly, the country is so screwed up that I believe it will take nothing less than an armed revolt to fix it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 29, 2005 10:08 AM (0yYS2)
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>>>"Very emotional he was. I'll take that as an "I really care"."
What, he turned into a Liberal? I don't give a shit if he really "cares". I want to hear him communicate the importance of the mission, and why Iraq means something in the war on terror, and why it's vital to our national security, etc. So far he's done a piss poor job at that.
Posted by: Carlos at June 29, 2005 10:20 AM (8e/V4)
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Point taken Carlos and a good one too. There could have been more meat I agree. But I doubt we should share too much of our plans publicly. I wondered if it was just an act until he wandered around like a lost dog afterward. Well at least I listened. One of his better speeches. Good start, slow (yawn) middle, and a wierd end. Some will see weakness, especially abroad by him craking at the end.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 10:44 AM (D3+20)
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Bush's greatest failing is that he assumes everyone will see the wisdom of his position. He has to beat the pulpit to get people in line, because frankly, I think the average American today has the attention span of a hummingbird or the spine of a jellyfish. People just need to be told what to think anymore.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 29, 2005 11:03 AM (0yYS2)
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Man, he didn't say anything new because he doesn't have a plan. It's "hard work" to lie so much. The only reason he spoke was because his ratings are so fucking low. We need a real leader to solve real world issues...not a bunch of moralistically hypocritical idiot crooks.
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 29, 2005 11:57 AM (huFN9)
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He could have beat the pulpit until the cows came home and those who have already made up their minds would still not be swayed. That speech was for those who always felt we were doing the right thing but have been disillusioned of late because of the constant brow beating by the left in our society and the pessimistic attitude of the press. They need to hear, from the man they voted into the highest office in this country, that he has not lost his focus and determination. That all is not lost.
Posted by: Oyster at June 29, 2005 11:57 AM (fl6E1)
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Also: don't think for a second I'm endorsing a dem candidate either...they are like Republican lite, with no balls to stand up for what they say. Someone please form a 3rd party with legitimacy!
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 29, 2005 11:59 AM (huFN9)
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There's the Libertarian Party, but no one votes for because they know they won't win. That's always a problem. Therefore a lot of conservatives who may disagree with some GOP "center" policies go with the lesser of two evils. The Left has the Green Party.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 12:14 PM (x+5JB)
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has anyone ever read Jessie Ventura's take on politics? I was very surprised to read some of his points of view, he is very even headed with the spine to back it up.
Posted by: dave at June 29, 2005 12:29 PM (fsJ2z)
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What we need is a Middle Class American Party. One who will
screw the rich. I mean the rich has been screwing us for the longest
time, it is time to screw back.
Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2005 12:50 PM (Gqhi9)
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Yeah Butch, I agree. What we need is some good, old-fashioned Marxist class warfare. The problem isn't the parasites like chronic criminals and lawyers and lobbyists and do-gooding meddlers, but people who are successful. Now pardon me while I go try to dislodge my tongue from where it has become embedded in my cheek.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 29, 2005 02:15 PM (0yYS2)
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Wow, you guys are seem more sane today- except maybe IM- but he is always a bit of a fringe-er, but all the more reason to read carefully I guess.
I turned on durring the Army commercial part of the speach- wonder if anyone will enlist?
No mention of WMDs.
I wish people would stop being Clintonesgque with tehir language and linkage of Iraq and 9/11. There is no link. If there was do you think they would go through these linguistic arrabeques? Of course not. Cann't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted by: Max at June 29, 2005 02:20 PM (HFKAk)
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Bush referred to the attacks of Sept. 11th six times in his speech on Iraq last night. The war that "reached our shores" on 9/11, the speech that he gave after 9/11, the Americans who died on 9/11, the "lessons" that we learned from 9/11, the way that the terrorists tried to "shake our will" on 9/11 and, once again, the speech that he gave after 9/11. Bushie was just reminding his own supporters of what they already believe: Saddam Hussein's fingerprints were all over 9/11, and Iraq was the central front in the war on terror long before the president's failed policies turned that country into the terrorist training ground that it is today. He needs those supporters now, and he needs to get them back to the place where they think that anyone who disagrees with them is both out-of-touch and un-American.
Oyster: Being stubborn, unable admit mistakes and/or unwilling to adapt is a far cry from being focused or determined. That's what Rove wants you to think. Your Republicans that are "disillusioned of late" are in reality waking up and smelling the shit. I'm not making a character call on you, your intelligence or values when I say this, but I honestly believe you have been duped into thinking Bush has your best interests or is a good president.
YBP: Yeah, I know all the parties...but when I said "legitimate" I meant that they would have enough power to win!
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 29, 2005 02:48 PM (huFN9)
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Osama calls others stubborn????
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 03:13 PM (D3+20)
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Howie...do I come off as stubborn to you? If so, I'd like to know why. I actually think I'm pretty open to other's ideas!
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 29, 2005 03:17 PM (huFN9)
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No offense I like stubborn, somtimes stubborn can be a good thing. But you know stubborn/determined and arrogant are two different things. You know how I feel about the old Casey Jones. Especially in the House.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 03:19 PM (D3+20)
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Osama: Right or wrong, I honestly think that Bush is sincere in his motivations. I don't think I've been duped. Other than the fact that he's our president and obviously more conservative than Kerry, I don't have any personal reasons for being "on his side." I'm willing to admit that conservatism is not automatically tied to honesty.
RE: Lib and Green Party--All is takes for them to win are enough votes. Why do you think people don't vote for them?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 03:20 PM (x+5JB)
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Osama: Yes stubborn in a good way. Determined, Intelligent and always worth the read.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 03:23 PM (D3+20)
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"Determined, Intelligent and always worth the read."
Let's not go too far, Howie.
(Kidding.)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 03:24 PM (x+5JB)
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YBP: yeah I laid it on a little thick there huh. Really though I totally loved the "I was there" on 9/11. But really I've not noticed Osama changing postitions too much. That's cool though. He is open to others comments, I would hate to piss him off too bad over a little misunderstood comment.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 03:37 PM (D3+20)
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Howie: I don't think the point is to piss anyone off. I haven't noticed him changing any positions. I admit he doesn't fit any political "mold," although--shhhhhhh, he's listening, I'd wager that he's certainly left of center. Right Osama?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 03:45 PM (x+5JB)
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yeah I think that (kidding) is a good idea. He's probably coiling up as we speak. left right center hell I don't care. I'm probably all three at the same time.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 03:52 PM (D3+20)
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Howie: "I'm probably all three at the same time."
Should we be addressing you as "Sybil" henceforth?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 04:10 PM (x+5JB)
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snicker. Please no no. That's the old lady.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 04:17 PM (D3+20)
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Osama: I have not wavered and "duped" is a term for those who continue to ignore facts. Someone, well ... like you. And no - I'm not getting into that again. You've categorically ignored everything that doesn't fit with your idea and all consuming, irrational hate and exaggerated all that does. You've made your point about your hatred of Bush I don't know how many times. Fine. I got the message.
My statement about that speech being ignored by people like you remains true. There's no changing your mind. I never expected it nor do I even try. I have even carefully reserved my real scorn for Greg and responded to you when we are in agreement and left anything else you say to rest. I've done this out of a courtesy, but for you to think, or even say, that I'm duped because I agree with one aspect of this administration is ridiculous. You, on the other hand, have shown a complete disdain for everything which is unreasonable and not reality-based. So as long as you can reciprocate with the same courtesy I've extended, I will not load the other barrel. You DID make a call on my intelligence. And I AM offended.
Posted by: Oyster at June 29, 2005 04:17 PM (fl6E1)
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Oh god, not that old "there were no terrorists in Iraq before we invaded" chestnut again. Yawn.
Posted by: dave at June 29, 2005 04:36 PM (fsJ2z)
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since this seems to be the thread everyone is anticipating Osama to come back on Oyster. Anyone else notice a definate lack of phish in the mailbox today.
Posted by: Howie at June 29, 2005 04:41 PM (D3+20)
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Howie, I don't quite get you on that.
Posted by: Oyster at June 29, 2005 05:21 PM (YudAC)
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"And I AM offended."
Get over your huff, Oyster. Right will prevail.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 07:16 PM (WjUfn)
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Howie: "That's the old lady."
Now now--be nice.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 29, 2005 07:19 PM (WjUfn)
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"All is not lost" ?? Isn't that like saying, "There's still some hope the sun will rise tomorrow" ??
The only place "all" is "lost" is in the courage- and fact-sticking place in leftist heads.
Posted by: Brian H at June 30, 2005 12:17 AM (8AabM)
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Okay, YBP. I'll take your advice.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 06:50 AM (YudAC)
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Osyster--hope you know I was kidding (about the first part, not the second)!!!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 30, 2005 07:26 AM (x+5JB)
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No, you're right. Letting these people get under my skin is really beneath me.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 08:59 AM (fl6E1)
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Well, the tone of my comment was meant to be exaggerated in its "bossiness," if you know what I mean.
"Letting these people get under my skin is really beneath me."
Happens to everyone, I'm sure--even Osama! It's tough, because it's a perfectly normal human reaction to take things personally.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 30, 2005 09:08 AM (x+5JB)
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Oyster: Yeah well I guess I poked my nose just about the time that y'all were pissed and then wow. Osama goes away and you seemed upset. I wasn't trying to upset either you or osama that's why the ???? Osama is/has been right in the line of fire on this deal. He also gets a little upset. I dont' want to discourage anyone to post. So y'all post and remember that like YPB says people get upset. It may feel personal but it may not be. Also I thought maybe you had bitten off a bit more than you can chew with all due respect sir. I thought about this quite a bit last night as I hoped osama didn't take it the wrong way. Let's all try to go home with our BP less than 220/120. You posters make the site for me and I enjoy every mintute of the reading. Really I had no idea everyone was so upset when I came stumbling in. so I like both of your posts.
NOW KISS AND MAKE UP YOU GUYS.
eeeeewwwwww
Posted by: Howie at June 30, 2005 09:34 AM (D3+20)
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Howie: What do you think this is, Canada (or Spain)?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 30, 2005 11:05 AM (x+5JB)
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A good speech? I wonder if a single sentence can be extracted that wasn't deceptive. Can any of you neo-fascists name one? What would be astonishing would be if a single brown shirt actually acknowledged that terrorism is a technique of combat, ironically one that Bush, his daddy and Ronny Reagan used freely.
p.s. Durbin never called the soldiers Nazis. That is a blatant lie and a good indicator that the poster who made the remark is not a Christian.
Posted by: justpete at June 30, 2005 11:11 AM (5RQyu)
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Hey guys! Ok, just so you know I've been busy as hell so I haven't checked in till just now. I wasn't offended or anything... So, let me say that I didn't intend to offend. If I did, sorry. I think "duped" was the wrong word. Maybe "lied to" might have been better? I really do think that Bush has lied to Americans many times about really important issues. The outrageous thing is this: You SHOULD be able to trust what he is saying! It is his responsibility to level with us and be honest, not reinvent things to save his ass, or tread water till we're all exhausted.
YBP: who knows what "mold" I'm more likely to fit, if ever. I have very conservative and liberal views, so it's a toss-up. I'm sure Bush has good intentions, but many people do and that doesn't take away from the mess we're in now.
Howie...changing' positions? I'm not saying I never have...but I prefer to call it "evolving". For instance, I've learned a shit-load through reading this blog since I started checking it out. 
Also, not sure what you meant by the "I was there" on 9/11? I hope you don't think I was being dishonest about that stuff. That's actually the only time I've ever been offended by anyone on here. For the most part, if I don't know someone closely they can't really offend me...but when it comes to someone making a parody of my dead friends, that's another story.
Oyster...wrong words man. I know you're intelligent, so don't worry about it. I don't think you ignore the facts. I do think that we are all victims of being fed false "facts" and all assortments of crap from our "gubbamint" and media, so it's hard to sort through the crap and get the real nuggets. You wrote, "There's no changing your mind. I never expected it nor do I even try." Well, YBP has changed my mind on a few things and I encourage anyone to try and influence me in a positive way. So try! You also wrote, "You, on the other hand, have shown a complete disdain for everything which is unreasonable and not reality-based." Shouldn't I?
Anyway, you guys...I didn't take anything the wrong way. Oyster can load the other barrel and you can all tell me I'm full of shit and I won't bug out. You can even throw a few death threats a-la-IM in there and I'll still be fine. I'm outta here. See ya Tues.
Also, not sure what you meant by the "I was there" on 9/11? I hope you don't think I was being dishonest about that stuff. That's actually the only time I've ever been offended by anyone on here. For the most part, if I don't know someone closely they can't really offend me...but when it comes to someone making a parody of my dead friends, that's another story.
Oyster...wrong words man. I know you're intelligent, so don't worry about it. I don't think you ignore the facts. I do think that we are all victims of being fed false "facts" and all assortments of crap from our "gubbamint" and media, so it's hard to sort through the crap and get the real nuggets. You wrote, "There's no changing your mind. I never expected it nor do I even try." Well, YBP has changed my mind on a few things and I encourage anyone to try and influence me in a positive way. So try! You also wrote, "You, on the other hand, have shown a complete disdain for everything which is unreasonable and not reality-based." Shouldn't I?
Anyway, you guys...I didn't take anything the wrong way. Oyster can load the other barrel and you can all tell me I'm full of shit and I won't bug out. You can even throw a few death threats a-la-IM in there and I'll still be fine. I'm outta here. See ya Tues.
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 30, 2005 02:15 PM (huFN9)
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Osama: definately not making any fun of your friends. I am sure you are in the line of fire. That's why I tried to backpedal so hard. I read the I was there and I mean I loved it because I loved it no pun intended I thought it was great really. I too learn truckloads of stuff here. Really only have time for one blog. Can't spend all day looking around you know. I think we all contribute. I hope you understand my fellow American and fine net neighbor. I was afraid you might take it the wrong way. I just seemed to be digging myself a hole. I find it hard some days to translate what I think into written speech. I'm sure you were quite truthful hard to argue with that much passion for a lie. Well at least for most people it is. I never doubted your sincerity on that issue and I can't thing of a single one that I would have.
Posted by: Howie at June 30, 2005 04:46 PM (D3+20)
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