April 28, 2005

Man Lies: Claims He is Hooded Figure in Famous Abu Ghraib Photo, Says He was Electrocuted

I somehow missed this over at LGF the other day, but Gaijin Biker e-mails me with the news that PBS is set to air an interview with Haj Ali Shallal Abbas, who alleges he is the man in the photo above. How do we know he's full of crap? Check out what he says:

"They made me stand on a box with my hands hooked to wires and shocked me with electricity," Ali recalls through an interpreter in his first in-depth American TV interview. "It felt like my eyeballs were coming out of their sockets. I fell, and they put me back up again for more."
Of course, even a cursory glance at the photo reveals the wires weren't hooked up to anything at all. The alleged 'torture' in the photo above is that prisoners are told that if they fall off the box, they will be electrocuted. Of course, they never are. And Gaijin Biker notes that the Taguba report never mentions electorcution as among the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

Abuses happen at every major prison on the planet. Abu Ghraib was not exception. While such abuse is deplorable, it is routine. Let's not forget what kind of abuse happened at that same prison, as a matter of policy, before the U.S. occupation. For a comparison, see my post Torture vs. Torture [warning: graphic images].

Gaijin Biker also takes Haj Ali Shallal Abbas to task for changing his story over time. Check it out.

Posted by: Rusty at 08:20 PM | Comments (9) | Add Comment
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1 It's no surprise this is coming out just now. Jihadists and Liberals are celebrating the 1-year anniversary of Abu Graib. Teddy Kennedy was making speeches too. They're on the same side.

Posted by: Carlos at April 28, 2005 10:23 PM (8e/V4)

2 Actually, the photo you are using appears to have had the wires digitally shortened. Here is another version of the photo I linked to in my post, where the wires look like they were attached to the pipes. Of course that doesn't mean Ali was electrocuted, but the photo doesn't automatically disprove it. And it makes me wonder who edited the photo. --GB

Posted by: GaijinBiker at April 28, 2005 10:42 PM (p26Lb)

3 Actually, based on the arm positions, the two photos are different. One may have been edited, but they do not appear to be the same exact photo to start with.

Posted by: GaijinBiker at April 28, 2005 10:44 PM (p26Lb)

4 I guess what pisses me off the most is that these rat bastards expected to be tortured. And those ignorant punks tormented them almost to the point of torture. Dammit we are better than that. I would love to take ex-SSG Ivan Frederickson out back and do a little wall to wall counseling with his hillbilly ass.

Posted by: Bullshark at April 29, 2005 08:14 AM (drVg7)

5 I liked them better stacked in a Pyramid.

Posted by: underdog at April 29, 2005 09:05 AM (fo7U0)

6 Bullshark, You da man. I'll bring the banjo and I'm pretty sure we can get a discount on a big tub of butt grease from Filthy.

Posted by: greg at April 29, 2005 09:43 AM (/+dAV)

7 GB, they are two different photographs taken from different angles. I think it is quite possible neither were edited and in the one Rusty posted, the wires going up in your photograph are merely blocked by the figure. Of couse, this would mean that you can not base a conclusion that it would not be possible to shock based on there being no connections. In any case, even assuming that the wires were not connected for the photograph, it does not mean that they were not connected at some point. I have some faith that it would have come out of there were actual electrocutions. Not everyone at Abu Graib was craven and that is the reason that the abuses came to light, not investigative journalism.

Posted by: anomdebus at April 29, 2005 01:08 PM (682nI)

8 Guantanamo interrogations 'faked' “AUTHORITIES at Guantanamo Bay staged interrogations of detainees for visiting politicians and generals to give the impression that valuable intelligence was regularly being gathered, says a former US Army translator at the camp. Sergeant Erik Saar told CBS television's 60 Minutes that he believed "only a few dozen" of the 600 detainees at the camp were terrorists and that little information was obtained from them.” http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15122310%255E1702,00.html

Posted by: greg at April 29, 2005 03:21 PM (/+dAV)

9 You wrote: "Jihadists and Liberals are celebrating the 1-year anniversary of Abu Graib?" When did the word Liberal become synonymous with a murderer? That's beyond the pale and it's hateful. Who are you listening to and where are you getting this idea?

Posted by: Donna at May 16, 2005 11:42 AM (u+22F)

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