September 03, 2005
Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Dead at 80
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this should be very interesting to see how the Democrats take this on...they will take advantage of all the turmoil going on to try and get one of their own on the Supreme Court...let the games begin
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 11:37 PM (hcN1S)
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First of all, may he rest in peace. Second, wow, what an unprecedented opportunity. I have been an atheist for a long time now, but I'm starting to lose faith in my lack of faith. I can only stand so much coincidence, then I have to wonder; rationalist or not.
It seems that everything that happens, and which looks bad at first, turns out for the better. But still, I've decided to order another couple thousand rounds, just in case it gets a little too interesting before it's all sorted out.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:47 PM (0yYS2)
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Sad to see him go. He was a good man.
(Bush did it to take the headlines away from Katrina)
Posted by: Ariya at September 04, 2005 12:40 AM (noCGr)
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Ariya - I hope that was playful sarcasm.
Posted by: Oyster at September 04, 2005 06:59 AM (YudAC)
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I have a nominee: Ann Coulter.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 08:37 AM (0yYS2)
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Vinnie smokes Howie on the scoop by 12 hrs way to go Vinnie.
Posted by: Howie at September 04, 2005 09:13 AM (D3+20)
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not Ann, IM, she has been caught in too many lies i think....Michael Savage would be my nominee...kick ass
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 04, 2005 09:31 AM (hcN1S)
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Lies, you say? That's impossible, she's not a dhimmicrat. I think you mean exaggerated rhetoric and hyperbole, not to mention a dash of the ol' fiery invective. She's a pot-stirrer, and she says what needs said, even if it's not exactly 100% factual. She is our lightning rod, and we need her. I need her. But that's another post...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 01:51 PM (0yYS2)
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APSA Blogging, Day 4: Moonbats in the Academy
The American Political Science Association has invited the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies and Director of the notoriously antisemetic Middle East Institute at Columbia University to give tonight's keynote address.
Rashid Khalidi will speak on 'Resurrecting Empire', also the title of his latest 'academic' book. The thesis of the book boils down to the Iraq War being about a Neocon right-wing conspiracy to protect the interests of Israel. Khalidi, like many I'm-not-antisemetic-I'm-just-pointing-out-the-fact-that-there-are-a-lot-of-Jews-in-the-Bush-administration-who-are-really-pulling-the-strings-of-power political scientists also puts oil interests at the center of this conspiracy. Of course, the Jewish Neo-Con conspiracy isn't really a conspiracy because, you know, conspiracies are secret and every one knows that the Jews control Washington's foreign policy.
Everyone in the Administration has some connection to oil, and even Condi Rice is somehow being personally enriched by the War.
I would like to think that the American Political Science Association has sunk to a new low inviting this conspiratorial moonbat to give a keynote address. Unfortunately, the practice is common place in the academy. The neo-conspiracy theories of the Left, couched in academic language, will probably be well received by the audience. Any one who questions the appropriateness of including Khalidi in the program will be branded an advocate of censorship and a Brownshirt trying to quash academic freedom.
The address will be tonight at 8:30 in Salon 1 at the Washington, D.C. Marriott-Woodman Park (near the Zoo). I'll be the guy sitting in the first row, wearing the anti-Bushitlerhaliburton mind probe tin foil hat.
More on Rashid Khalidi can be found at the Little Green Footballs archives
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Take a supply of Depends Undergarments, Dr. Rusty. You'll need them.
Posted by: Bubbe at September 03, 2005 10:18 AM (cbAi4)
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"The thesis of the book boils down to the Iraq War being about a Neocon right-wing conspiracy to protect the interests of Israel"
I'm so sure.
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 10:19 AM (Z3mEP)
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It's the Joos. Always the Joos.
Posted by: Rusty at September 03, 2005 11:04 AM (/AEb8)
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youll know youre in trouble, Rusty, when Mikey Moore and Cindy Sheenan show up as guest speakers...use the cyanide capsules at discretion...good luck Jim, this message will self-destruct in 5 seconds
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 11:57 AM (hcN1S)
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And now--live from APSA--Rashid Khalidi with special guest Kanye West!
Come on, Rusty. AIR HORN. You know you can do it.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 03, 2005 12:06 PM (Egj23)
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Rusty:
I don't get the Edward Said keynote address bit - the man died 2 years ago.
Posted by: Ben at September 03, 2005 01:59 PM (KoGHy)
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There is an endowed 'Edward Said' chair, that Khalidi holds. The reference to Said in the second paragraph is a typo. I blame it on the borrowed Mac I'm working on. It's been fixed.
Posted by: Rusty at September 03, 2005 02:40 PM (rvKkN)
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Is the Tri-Lateral Commission also composed of Jews?
Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 03, 2005 03:27 PM (uvoYj)
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It's all Jews, matoko, they're everywhere. EVERYWHERE I TELL YOU!!! They're behind everything from 9/11 to soggy cereal. In fact, it was Jews that caused the hurricane so that they could raise gas prices, and Jews are slowing the relief efforts. Jew Jew, Jew Jew, Jew Jew Jew. If you don't believe me, just ask Our Blessed Lady of the Ditch, Cindy Sheehan, she got the memo. The only defense is a hat made of aluminum foil, so let's all go buy some before the Jews raise the prices on that too!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 04:38 PM (0yYS2)
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add in Bush as well as the Jews, IM....you can blame Bush and the Jews from Adam and Eve being kicked out of the Garden of Eden to Huricane Katrina, according to liberals/leftists....where will the idiocy of the left stop
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 06:19 PM (hcN1S)
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It isn't just the left...ever heard of white nationalists? According to them, the whole country is the result of some pro-israel-zionist conspiracy.
Right...
Posted by: Sheila at September 03, 2005 08:30 PM (MW0lp)
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if you mean the Nazi party, Sheila, they are part of the left
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 09:33 PM (hcN1S)
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Thanks for nailing that Thanos. I am constantly amazed that most people don't know, or won't acknowledge, that "Nazi" is simply a contraction of "National Socialist", and that Hitler was a big liberal.
And by the way, the white nationalists aren't one unified bloc, but rather the opposite; they are fractious and factional, mainly because of extremists like David Duke, of which all "blue staters" should be proud, because if they all unified under one banner, they could take over the country in a week. Something to remember when you start talking revolution and such, tvarisch; be careful what you wish for, for you shall surely receive it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:58 PM (0yYS2)
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Oh, I dodn't know that.
I thought they were right...they claim they are.
Whatever
Posted by: Sheila at September 04, 2005 12:43 PM (MW0lp)
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Think of the political spectrum not as a line or an arc, but rather a sphere. If you start from any point and travel far enough in any direction, you will end up on the opposite side. The extremes of "right" and "left" are not opposites, but really the same thing. The reason that the Nazi's are considered Right and Communists Left is that they traveled in different directs to arrive at the same place: Tyranny.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 02:00 PM (0yYS2)
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A Not-So-Sunny Day in the Capital
I won't elaborate, but I'm now completely convinced that we're in a war with "the liberals" (meaning, the Social Democrats) just as much as we're in a war with "irreconcibable Islam." I'm also beginning to think that, at least as an organizing principle, we ought to start pushing to change the "working Capital" of the US from DC to Omaha, Nebraska. And it's not that I hate Omaha all that much, but it's a lot closer to the "middle" of the country than any place else I can think of, in just about every way I can imagine.
And the parking lots are epic.
Keep DC as a symbolic totem.
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"And the parking lots are epic."
There has to be a word to describe a statement that perfectly describes something, yet is still an understatement. That was beautiful, almost a haiku.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 09:15 AM (0yYS2)
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"I'm also beginning to think that, at least as an organizing principle, we ought to start pushing to change the "working Capital" of the US from DC to Omaha, Nebraska."
It would put them closer to those disaster prone red states.
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 10:20 AM (Z3mEP)
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Yea, but see, actus .... that's part of our neo-con agenda. Now that you've figured it out, we'll have to change our evil plans.
Posted by: Oyster at September 03, 2005 11:02 AM (YudAC)
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Disaster prone red states eh? Soooo then, Kalifornistan is a red state now, as about 90% of all North American natural disasters happen there?
By the way, rectus, I can imagine what you would sound like if you spoke those words, and my bet is that your a lisper.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:56 AM (0yYS2)
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i worry more each day that goes by if there will be a civil war in the US...i mean, the left gets more and more aggressive and nasty with each passing incident, and they also get more crazy and desperate as well...something has to give some day soon...the pressure is building up in this country, gas prices, the war on terror, hurricane damage in the south, etc...the left attacks everything that moves and blames Bush for everything it seems....its absolutelty apparent that these people{leftists/liberals} have gone completly insane in their hate for Bush and America in general...i never thought id live to see this come to pass and i worry what the world will be like for all our children...its scary
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 12:03 PM (hcN1S)
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You think we're at war, but you won't elaborate as to why?
Thanks a lot, buddy.
(Psst...you can tell me!)
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 03, 2005 12:09 PM (Egj23)
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"Disaster prone red states eh? Soooo then, Kalifornistan is a red state now, as about 90% of all North American natural disasters happen there?"
Disaster prone blue states too. Easy to go get a photo op.
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 01:55 PM (Z3mEP)
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Ordinarily I would blow this off. After watching the racist comments on TV about the help going to New Orleans, I am leaning your way.
Posted by: From the Swamp at September 03, 2005 02:58 PM (7evkT)
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Doc - You would like Lincoln better. It is a "college town". But if you love America and hate liberals maybe not.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 03, 2005 03:16 PM (03F0I)
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I'm not worried that there'll be a civil war; I'm counting on it, it's the only way we'll ever get rid of the liberals, muslims, hippies, and other scum that are trying to kill our great nation. Considering that most gun owners are on "our side", I'm not really worried about who'll win, but I do wonder what we'll do with all the stinking corpses, because there'll be millions of 'em.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 04:44 PM (0yYS2)
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Rod - - UN is not nearly as anti America as UC or its branches in LA, Santa Cruz or Santa KBarbara. More like an Ivy League America hater.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:11 PM (LbyCD)
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Sorry, but all of the pointy headed pseudointellectual preening gasbags can stay in DC, they ain't coming to my town.
I should smack you for even suggesting it.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at September 03, 2005 05:20 PM (Kr6/f)
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it seems....its absolutelty apparent that these people{leftists/liberals} have gone completly insane in their hate for Bush and America in general...i never thought id live to see this come to pass and i worry what the world will be like for all our children...its scary.
There's really only one comparable situation: the Copperhead movement during the US Civil War, when folks had the same over-the-top reaction to Lincoln.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 03, 2005 11:58 PM (Rf4h1)
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You think we're at war, but you won't elaborate as to why?
Well, I'll put it this way: There's a reason why Rusty needs to remain anonymous.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 04, 2005 12:00 AM (Rf4h1)
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But you could prepare them a warm welcome, Vinnie. Very warm. I suggest a ring of ditches around the city, filled with gas and diesel, and concealed until they are right on top of them, but hey, use whatcha got.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 12:00 AM (0yYS2)
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Sorry, but all of the pointy headed pseudointellectual preening gasbags can stay in DC, they ain't coming to my town.
I should smack you for even suggesting it.
I don't know, you might actually like some of the intellectuals at AEI, Heritage, etc. Truth is, must of the
real gasbags are at places like Harvard, UCSD, etc.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 04, 2005 12:06 AM (IIOt4)
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Gasbags. I like that. I think I'll be using it myself in the future.
Nin and I will be selling everything when we're ready to retire. Make ourselves totally liquid and move to Oregon. I know there are a lot of gasbags in Oregon, but there are also a lot of places to hide from them.
And on a side note - if it ever did come to war here, I'd definately want IM on my side.
Posted by: Oyster at September 04, 2005 07:41 AM (YudAC)
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"I'm not worried that there'll be a civil war; I'm counting on it, it's the only way we'll ever get rid of the liberals, muslims, hippies, and other scum that are trying to kill our great nation. Considering that most gun owners are on "our side", I'm not really worried about who'll win, but I do wonder what we'll do with all the stinking corpses, because there'll be millions of 'em."
Your panties are really tied up in a bunch heh?
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 10:33 AM (QPrcU)
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My panties are in a bunch? Is that honestly the best you can do rectus? Jesus H., you people just suck at any sort of substantive debate, don't you? Come on now, don't you even have a little Marxist dialectic for me? Not even something about the intelligentsia saving the proles from the filthy bourgeois capitalist Joooooooz? Hell, you didn't even mention Chimpy McHallibushitler. No Rovian conspiracies? Nothing about Big Oil? No Black Helicopters™? What's the matter with you? You're not a very good liberal, are you?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 07:22 PM (0yYS2)
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"Jesus H., you people just suck at any sort of substantive debate, don't you?
Whats the substantive debate on your little civil war? Panties in a bunch is really the only explanation.
"Come on now, don't you even have a little Marxist dialectic for me?"
That would be substantive to you?
"What's the matter with you? You're not a very good liberal, are you?"
I do hope you fight your civil war my friend. I really really do. Can you start with me?
Posted by: actus at September 05, 2005 09:11 AM (QPrcU)
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Hot air is the product of liberal politicians and eco-wackos
Posted by: sandpiper at September 05, 2005 09:00 PM (JyNSh)
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Thanks for the offer, but I don't know where you live, and it probably isn't close to me, so I doubt it. Fact is, you'll probably be killed by a gang of rampaging savages long before you ever meet someone like me, that is unless you run to us for protection, which you probably will, as it's always the big bad evil white men with guns that have to sort things out when it all goes to shit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 09:05 PM (0yYS2)
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"Thanks for the offer, but I don't know where you live, and it probably isn't close to me, so I doubt it."
I live in DC. Come start your civil war in my neighborhood. There are some big bad men here for you.
Posted by: actus at September 05, 2005 11:07 PM (QPrcU)
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Kanye dig it?
If you thought there was something eerily familiar about Kanye West's ranting in front of an embarrassed Michael Myers, well, so did Tony B at More than Loans. Yes,
it was an SNL skit once upon a time, with Heather Locklear in the Kanye West role, and Myers standing there looking flabbergasted.
Tony links to one of several versions of this video going around. This one, hosted at riehlworldview.com, is the best because you see Chris Tucker looking equally astonished before stumbling into his script.
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Myers is probably gonna need therapy after that one. NBC is apologizing their butts off saying his words do not reflect their views. Too late. Did they bother to read any of his lyrics beforehand?
Posted by: Oyster at September 03, 2005 08:38 AM (YudAC)
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Mr. West should spend an hour with Robert Byrd.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 03, 2005 08:41 AM (bikuR)
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Ooooh, Filthy. Good idea. Give him a choice of who to spend an evening with, Byrd or Bush.
What's telling about his impromptu speech is how he said he felt bad about shopping for food and hadn't yet, himself, given for N.O. relief and "... so now I'm calling my business manager, right now, to see what is, what is, the biggest amount I can give ..."
So while he's ranting and criticizing, he hasn't even yet donated anything himself. After FIVE DAYS! What an asshole. And he can't donate anything without calling his business manager first?
Posted by: Oyster at September 03, 2005 09:19 AM (YudAC)
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Let's see here, let me parse the words and distill the real message: IT'S DA WHITE MAN'S FAULT!!! WHITEY'S KEEPIN' US BLACK FOLK DOWN!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:12 AM (0yYS2)
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Since the guy's known for ranting, someone should have had their hand on the mute/beep button and not stuck up their ass.
Posted by: Willow at September 03, 2005 11:34 AM (jh16G)
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I think he was right on message. Did anyone else notice that for a someone who is supposed to be good with words, he sure has a helluva hard time speaking English? If you go to his website and listen to some of his babble, it's not hard to understand why.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:58 AM (0yYS2)
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was this on SNL???...i havent watched it in years as its not even funny anymore...i gave up on it after the Adam Sandler years...its more embarrasing than funny now when i do happen to flip to it and watch for a few seconds and i just shake my head and continue on...
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 12:13 PM (hcN1S)
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If NBC really doe not hate America why do they have so many America haters as hosts and "pundits"? Start with Tim. Add Keith. Want more? Their "apology" rings hollow. More like CYA.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:16 PM (LbyCD)
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Anyone in here live near or in NOLA?
Posted by: osamabeenswimmin' at September 03, 2005 07:42 PM (YoIhQ)
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okay sorry all, my bad....i saw the video clip....what an ass this guy made of himself on national tv....poor Mike and Chris looked like they didnt know what to do or say....someone should have yanked this guy from out in front of the camera...sure Kayne, start a race war now, blame it ALLLLL on the white man as always and i bet Jesse and Al are running to his side to back him up...the freakin Three Stooges take New Orleans....what a sick sight...Mike Meyers looked like he was going to walk away and Chris looked like he was shell shocked...and from what ive looked up on this Kayne guy, he likes to shoot off his big mouth...he might have "some" talent but not any brain to think with, just a big mouth to shoot off...once again the left shows its true talent
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 09:39 PM (hcN1S)
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I'm telling you guys, now is the time to buy guns if you don't already have them, and I'm not talking about duck guns and deer rifles, but AK's with about a couple thousand rounds. These idiots are going to keep on agitating until the natives go off the reservations, then it'll be too late to try to buy a gun, because the Feds will shut down the gun stores pronto.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 12:03 AM (0yYS2)
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Impy, screw your race-war gel in ya pants dreams. Even heartless racists like Klanrooster are getting screwed over by the scene. The bodies are piled up down the highway. Army Times speaks of and "insurgency" in the city, up-armored humvees and combat ops. WTF?! Two Gulf Wars??
PS My name is Downing Street Memo, and I got a new IP address (still in Seoul) and just couldn't take the hint the last time I was banned from commenting here. I love George W. Bush; he is like a brother to me and I have fondle drea-umm fond dreams of someday meeting him and having him shake my hand. I wear women's clothing and I smell like leprous goats. I wish I could be a Zionist Neocon and work for Halliburton, but I'm just not cool enough or smart enough. Hooray for me! I am the Downing Street Memo.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 04, 2005 01:59 AM (Kvd1l)
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Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...
Nagin failed to follow his own disaster manual, and that's why folks who couldn't get out didn't get out. But it's easier to blame whitey, and to say "Bush hates black people." FUCKING MORONS would be too generous a description for these Libs and bushitler haters.
Posted by: Carlos at September 04, 2005 11:01 AM (8e/V4)
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You forgot riverboats, ships, freight rail. NO is a massive transport hub even without counting roads. All those Mississippi riverboats (many are berthed in NO) sailed up river for protection (empty of course).
Posted by: hondo nyc at September 04, 2005 03:31 PM (4Gtyc)
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Isn't freedom of speech wonderful? With it, one can fashion a perfect rope with which to hang oneself; an art which the leftards, race baiters, and poverty pimps have long since mastered, only they keep forgetting that they don't have sole control over media content anymore, and so they keep stepping into the noose and kicking at the props. And just as telling, by way of demonstrating how absolutely wrong they are, is the fact that they aren't all rounded up and shot for their impudence, as they would be in one of their beloved Marxist dictatorships. Maybe they'd all be happier in Zimbabwe? I'd gladly pay passage, one way, for anyone who wants to go, as long as they renounce their citizenship and sign a declaration of same, but somehow, I don't think I'll get any takers. I wonder why not...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 07:15 PM (0yYS2)
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See-Dubya, I appreciate the link and thank you for stopping by.
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September 02, 2005
Time Is Your Enemy
Get in on Phin's auctioning off of a custom blog design. Scratch that, get in on Phin's auction of TWO blog designs.
As an added bonus, Pixy Misa is throwing in your very own colony in MuNuvia.
All proceeds will go to the American Red Cross, or a charity of the winning bidders' choice.
What the hell are you staring at this for, git goin'!!!!!!!
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Georgia Suspends State Gas Tax
Woo-Hoo!
Good news! Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue today announced that, effective at midnight tonight and running until the end of September, no state gasoline taxes will be collected. Perdue expects stations to drop their prices up to 15 cents per gallon within hours. Those stations that don't pass on the savings to consumers will be singled out for investigations by the Department of Revenue and Office of Consumer Affairs.
I suppose it's not necessary to mention that Gov. Perdue is running for re-election next year and he timed his announcement to run live on Georgia TV news broadcasts. It's also probably not necessary to mention that the suspension in tax collection is more a political play than an economic benefit.
Hey, but it's better than nothing.
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Dumb move. Price controls, suspending taxs etc do nothing but interfere with the natural supply/demand balance. High prices cause less demand which cause higher supply and a lowering of cost. Let the system work. Tinkering always produces the opposite of the desired result.
Posted by: traderrob at September 02, 2005 06:51 PM (3al54)
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Yes, but people like tinkering, even if it only serves to make things worse. This is why Congress is allowed to exist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 07:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Isn't taxing it in the first place "tinkering with the market"?
Posted by: abberblab at September 02, 2005 08:37 PM (kJcST)
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Over a period of time the base tax becomes integrated into the commodity value structure. Only raising/lowering that tax would have an "artificial" effect and disrupt the supply/demand equilibrium.
Posted by: traderrob at September 02, 2005 09:22 PM (3al54)
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How to bug the envirmentalist wackos repeal all gas tax so there wont to all that moola for their dumb programs what a bunch of wussies
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:11 PM (QtdTZ)
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At least he's not doing like in Hawaii, where they're putting wholesale price caps in place. Yeah, *that'll* keep the gas stations supplied!
Columnist Thomas Sowell once made a good point that price is not the same thing as cost. Price is what pays for cost. Most people don't understand that, and most politicians count on most people not understanding that.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at September 02, 2005 10:54 PM (Q5C2f)
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Yep, price is not the same as cost, and money has no value, but is simply representative of value. It's all part of the pesky free market supply and demand thing, but the average liberal idiot has no knowlege of such things, as they all studied Marxist Economics in college.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 12:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, taxes should follow their natural course without interference from legislators. With the tax in place four days ago, there was no gas in this city (Augusta,GA). Fortunately, it disappeared so quickly there was't much time for price gouging. The cause wasn't exactly an economic law, neither was the absence of gasoline solved by one.
They fixed the pipeline.
Gasoline is now back and (somehow) it's actually twenty cents cheaper than it was this morning. But since Sonny Perdue had to go and get himself involved in the natural order of things here, I'll keep you all posted on the inevitable hoarding, scarcity, and price increases in the next few days.
Posted by: abberblab at September 03, 2005 09:12 PM (kJcST)
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APSA Blogging, Day #3: Claremont Roundtable: Bloggers and the Future of American Politics

Above (click for larger image): Paul Mirengoff of Powerline speaks at the American Political Science Association. Next to Paul (from left to right) is John Klenker of the Claremont Review of Books, Scott Johnson, also of Powerline, Peter Cannellos, of the Boston Globe, and Bill Gertz, of the Washington Times. (Bad photo, I know, but it's from a camera phone). Charmaine of Reasoned Audacity sat right behind me and has a few better photos here.
Report from the panel: Wasn't able to stick around and meet Paul or Scott from Powerline because I had to rush off to a job interview.
Two memorable observations from the panel. First, a heated exchange betwen Peter Cannelos and Scott Johnson.
more...
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How cool Rusty! I'm sorry we missed meeting you -- but good luck on the job interview!!
Posted by: charmaine at September 02, 2005 09:17 PM (abYX5)
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I was sitting right next to Charmaine. And I really wanted to meet you, too. How did the job interview go?
I feel very fortunate that I got to meet Scott and Charmaine. I thought Peter Cannellos was a wee tad defensive in his response to Scott. When he mentioned that *all* journalists have "an ethical revulsion" towards omitting information that would change the tenor of a story, I couldn't help thinking about MO'D and her ellipses and the more recent dowdification of quotes from Condi Rice. I guess ethical revulsion only applies to some journalists?
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Homegrown Islamic Terrorists Arrested
(Los Angeles) Four homegrown Islamic terrorists identified as members of the radical group Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh, or JIS, have been arrested for conspiring to attack military facilities, synagogues, and other targets in California.
From The Mercury-News:
Four suspects were charged Wednesday with conspiring to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism. Named in the federal indictment were Levar Haley Washington, 25; Gregory Vernon Patterson, 21; Hammad Riaz Samana, 21; and Kevin James, 29.
All but Samana, a Pakistani national, are American born and Muslim converts. Counterterrorism officials have found no evidence directly connecting the group - described as the cell of a California prison gang of radical Muslims - to al-Qaida or other foreign terror networks.
Law enforcement officials and terrorism experts said it could represent one of the first Islamic terrorism cases involving U.S. natives without those connections.
Among the counts in the indictment, the four face
charges of conspiracy to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism, kill armed service members, and murder foreign officials.
The founder of Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh is California State Prison inmate Kevin James (aka Shakyh Shahaab Murshid) who preaches terror to Islam's enemies. Followers apparently pledged loyalty to James "until death by martyrdom."
Interestingly, the plotters were exposed only after they were arrested for an unrelated series of gas station robberies. Subsequent searches of their possessions found weapons, ammunition, and plans for the attacks. In other words, the authorities were lucky to catch these fanatics before they acted.
"Make no mistake about it -- we dodged a bullet here, perhaps many bullets," Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton said at a news conference.
I need to be reminded why we allow convicts to spew murderous religious dogma in prison. Despite what the ACLU professes, I can't imagine the framers of the Constitution were thinking of radical, thug Islam when they drafted the Bill of Rights.
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Since the ethnicity of the "American" muslims wasn't mentioned, I'll assume they were black. I beg someone to prove otherwise, but until then, I'll just chalk this up as more evidence that many, if not most blacks, are actively anti-American, and anti-civilization, and I think the recent activity in New Orleans supports this assertion. Call me racist, but if it quacks like a duck, call it a duck, and I think Thomas Sowell would agree here.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 02:45 PM (0yYS2)
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IM aren't you playing that card a bit much this week? I've met people from all over the world and of all colors. Black not = n word just as white not = sensible. I see your point but it reflects badly on you. Trash is trash no matter the color. You know I like you dude but sheesh.
PS please don't shoot me.
Posted by: Howie at September 02, 2005 03:02 PM (D3+20)
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How am I "playing the card", when it's blacks who are raping, looting, and shooting at helicopters, and who started screaming "racism" before the storm had even passed? All this PC bullshit is just that, and we know what's happening and who's doing it. If people want to keep their head buried in the sand, then fine, but don't expect me to as well.
Yeah, trash is trash, but how many white people have you seen on the news carrying stolen merchandise? Not too damned many, and it isn't because of the "racist" media, because the media won't show black people in a bad light if they can help it.
People can bleat along with all the other PC sheep all they want, but I'm done with apologetics, and I'm not going to pretend it isn't real.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 03:13 PM (0yYS2)
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Correction - - I think I recall reading in LAT a month or two ago that the crimes leading to their arrest were committed to fund terrorism. Not unrelated.
The question now is can the ACLU find these guys a judge like the guy who handled the terrorist who snuck in across the Canadian border to blow up LAX 5 years ago. If so they will only get a slap on the wrist and credit for time served.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 02, 2005 03:28 PM (03F0I)
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Improbulus Maximus,
Plenty of whites are looting. It is just that the media shows them as "finding" things rather than looting. It is ony the blacks who actually "loot."
Are you a member of SF? You should go there and rant, all of them are just like you.
Posted by: Sheila at September 02, 2005 05:28 PM (P9mdt)
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Sheila, what is your source that "plenty of whites are looting"? Or are you just assuming that so you can be a good liberal apologist? You stupid whore, New Orleans is 67% black, and everyone has stated that the vast majority of people left are black, so where do "plenty" of whites come from? You goddamned liberals all need hanged by the neck until dead, and I'm stockpiling rope for that glorious day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 07:23 PM (0yYS2)
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yeah those are blacks looting, most of those left are black, the police chief trying to keep order is black people who need aid are black.. they're still people, good and bad, despite all the BS you spew.
get your shit together..
Posted by: Ren at September 02, 2005 09:56 PM (7ZsmI)
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Hey do you think the ACLU will be there to defend them? they always want to defend anyone who isnt christain
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:13 PM (QtdTZ)
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IM, you are the biggest bastard I have ever met.
Go to stormfront, they need a new asshole to brainwash.
Posted by: Sheila at September 02, 2005 10:28 PM (P9mdt)
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in a way i agree with IM...lemme tell you something here, i was talking with a bunch of my co-workers, majority of them are black and to a man all the black guys said they woould be looting and when i asked them why they said, why not???...i was shocked and so were the other two white co-workers...than the black guys said that since the police were looting as well that it must be okay to loot...you tell me....EVERY SINGLE pic i have seen in my newspaper here in NJ and the two NY papers i check out at work had pics of looters grabbing up sneakers, jeans, sports clothing, tv's and guess what color they all were???...the pics of white people showed them laying on the ground or holding onto family members...i can totally understand anyone and color makes no differnce if they are trying to get needed food and drink, no problem, you need them to just survive, but tell me, why the hell are you gonna take a tv, or stereo or DVD player when there is no power, no city and no one probally has any money...the entire area is under water, destroyed and these knuckleheads are looting electronics...helloooo??!!?
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 02, 2005 11:11 PM (hcN1S)
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What is IM really saying? That black people should be shot? No. The majority of people there happen to be black, hence the larger proportion of black looters.
Is he saying that all looters should be shot--black or white? Yes.
Who disagrees?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at September 03, 2005 07:39 AM (j3Yph)
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Just because they're black doesn't autmatically make them thugs or looters. Make a difference between right and wrong.
Posted by: Ren at September 03, 2005 10:35 AM (7ZsmI)
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Do not let them get the same judge that got the illegal alien who tried to blow up LAX 5 years ago. They will be back on the streets in 09.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:28 PM (LbyCD)
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I love how the libtards can never refute anything I say, but rather just snivel and whine. Let me clariffy a couple of things:
Yes, I'm the biggest bastard you will ever meet, if you are so unlucky to do so; I can kill a liberal with facts and logic from fifty yards, and few walk away from me without limping from the pain in their shiny new asshole, freshly torn, by me.
Anyone who shoots at their rescuers, loots, rapes, etc., during a disaster, is not a human being, but a subhuman who needs to be expurged for the good of society and the gene pool, as does anyone who excuses such behavior because of skin color.
I don't give a good flying damn what someone's skin color is; never have, never will. I'm a rationalist, and I understand that skin color is meaningless superficiality, but it's behavior that counts, because behavior, especially during times of crisis, tells you all you need to know about someone. What was it someone said about wanting their children to be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? Whoever said that was obviously prejudiced against blacks, wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 12:16 AM (0yYS2)
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Dammit IM, had me thinking you're some kind of racist.. Well, you got it going right, I really don't disagree.
A disaster is no excuse for thuggery and looting and your colour ain't going to make it right. Some coloured and the libs will take every opportunity to play the THE-OPPRESSED-COLOURED-VICTIM card calling out about general racism and oppression being apologetic about everything, it's very *ss backward and doesn't lead to anything, just makes them look very stupid & retarded. Of course, that won't stop them from doing it anyway and I wish them the best of luck.
Posted by: Ren at September 04, 2005 07:43 AM (7ZsmI)
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I'm not a racist, I'm a civilizationalist; I respect those who can behave as civilized people, and despise those who behave as savages or condone savagery. I don't make the demographics of reality, but I do see them clearly.
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Anyone want to defend Chavez on this one
Chavez is moving to consolidate power again. Yes the democratically elected President and self appointed Dictator of Venezuela is after control of that country's banking system.
A continuation of left-wing President Hugo Chavez's aim to create "socialism of the 21st Century", a number of foreign banks would be affected. Among them are Spanish institutions Banco Santander and BBVA. Both own Venezuelan banks - Banco de Venezuela and Banco Provincial respectively.
Hat tip: California Conservative.
Yeah I know but I'm waiting on a machine right now.
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Don't call him Hugo.
Call him
THugo Chavez!
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 02, 2005 01:44 PM (8NokC)
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Actually, I know someone who would defend him. Some crazy lefty cracker from Australia that frequents my site. heh, THugo.
Posted by: tyler at September 02, 2005 02:57 PM (Y9Lwb)
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Oh you mean that one guy with the three letter name. where is he anyway?
Posted by: Howie at September 02, 2005 04:40 PM (D3+20)
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adolf hitler lives and he has plenty of support from the liberal nit wits in the left-wing news media we should indeed consiter the suggestion from PAT ROBERTSON
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:16 PM (QtdTZ)
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Hugo Chavez is Fidel Castro's mini-me
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 02, 2005 11:12 PM (hcN1S)
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Do you guys know that Chavez through citgo donated 1 million for Katrina relief?
Even this sond of a bitch has more brain that our idiotic liberals!
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Anonymous NYT Author at it Again
Whomever
this author is (whom is obviously afraid to sign his work), just couldn't resist taking a few potshots at the war through the hurricane.
The situation in New Orleans, which had seemed as bad as it could get, became considerably worse yesterday with reports of what seemed like a total breakdown of organized society. Americans who had been humbled by failures in Iraq saw that the authorities could not quickly cope with a natural disaster at home. People died for lack of water, medical care or timely rescues - particularly the old and the young - and victims were almost invariably poor and black. The city's police chief spoke of rapes, beatings and marauding mobs. The pictures were equally heartbreaking and maddening. Disaster planners were well aware that New Orleans could be flooded by the combined effects of a hurricane and broken levees, yet somehow the government was unable to immediately rise to the occasion.
Watching helplessly from afar, many citizens wondered whether rescue operations were hampered because almost one-third of the men and women of the Louisiana National Guard, and an even higher percentage of the Mississippi National Guard, were 7,000 miles away, fighting in Iraq. That's an even bigger loss than the raw numbers suggest because many of these part-time soldiers had to leave behind their full-time jobs in police and fire departments or their jobs as paramedics. Regardless of whether they wear public safety uniforms in civilian life, the guardsmen in Iraq are a crucial resource sorely missed during these early days, when hours have literally meant the difference between evacuation and inundation, between civic order and chaos, between life and death.
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The gap is now belatedly being filled by units from other states, though without the local knowledge and training those Mississippi and Louisiana units could supply. The Pentagon is sending thousands of active-duty sailors and soldiers, including a fully staffed aircraft carrier, a hospital ship and some 3,000 Army troops for security and crowd control (even though federal law bars regular Army forces from domestic law enforcement, normally the province of the National Guard).
But it's already a very costly game of catch-up. The situation might have been considerably less dire if all of Louisiana's and Mississippi's National Guard had been mobilized before the storm so they could organize, enforce and aid in the evacuation of vulnerable low-lying areas. Plans should have been drawn up for doing so, with sufficient trained forces available to carry them out.
Let's look back through history. Florida has had three, four? hurricanes, just this year. How many cases of looting and anarchy did you see? I don't recall any, although to think that nobody stole anything after a natural disaster is probably a little naive. But the fact is, there was order and control there. And guess what? They have National Guard soldiers in Iraq as well. So I'd have to say that the entire gist of this article has just fallen flat.
Of course I'm sure that they can then turn around and argue that this disaster is worse than anything Florida faced, but I'm not so sure that will hold water either. Except for the massive flooding, I've seen Florida sustain some pretty bad damage. But even the flooding doesn't excuse what's going on.
The looting started the day that the rain stopped. There was no time for societial deteroriation due to lack of leadership. If people were starting to loot NOW, I might be inclined to agree with that. But when you go out and start stealing stuff the minute the rain stops falling, you're just looking to steal stuff. Especially when that stuff is name brand clothes, TVs, radios and other non-consumables. You liberals need to get used to the fact that, try as you might, you simply can't blame a natural disaster on Bush. He didn't cause it, he couldn't stop it, and he is now reacting to it. That's about the best you could ask for out of anyone. So pull your head out of your backside and realize that there are people of the United States that need your help. Not your preaching about how Bush is evil. Try pulling together and let's see what we can do. We did it after 9/11 and I'm sure, if you try hard enough, you can put your Bush-hate aside and join us in rebuilding the lives that have been devistated by this.
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Posted by: Howie at September 02, 2005 10:07 AM (D3+20)
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The NY Times could just as easily make the argument that the reason it is so bad in NO, is that it is a city infested with Democrats. That argument would be just as wrong. Do you suppose the large amounts of methamphetamines these clowns are ingesting is affecting their ability to thing reasonably or is it more likely just a case of liar, liar, pants on fire.
I wish I had a subscription, so I could cancel it.
Posted by: Defense Guy at September 02, 2005 10:36 AM (jPCiN)
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You're right, Drew. The looting and lawlessness started before the physical condition of New Orleans got as bad as it would. And I'm sick and tired of the blame being put on the federal government. What about the local government's preparedness? Unfortunately, too many were too trusting that the good side of people would shine through. Instead, what we see is the result of a history of a lack of policing in a town that has always been known to look the other way for petty crimes such as prostitution and basic lewd behavior among other things. This is the sort of atmosphere that draws the less desirable faction of our society. And these are the people who are inclined to fall further into criminal activity with less provocation.
You'd think that all these years, with so much money pouring into a city from visitors from all around the world, enough of it would have found its way to offering more opportunity for its citizens. Instead it's been used as indiscriminate charity which has kept them poor. There's no good reason or excuse why so many in such a city should be so poor.
It's a crying shame that the decent people of New Orleans have fallen victim to those animals when people really need to pulling together instead of praying on one another.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:47 AM (fl6E1)
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When Katrina went through Florida a few days before it hit New Orleans, it was little more than a tropical storm. By the time it got to the Big Easy, it was right at the line between Category 4 and 5. The damage here is even worse than in Hurricane Andrew in 1992, in which there WAS widespread looting.
I can understand doing what you have to do to survive, but many of these looters weren't taking food and water. They were taking jewelry, electronics, big-ticket items. Where are you going to plug in that flat-screen HDTV and what do you think are you going to watch?
What really disturbed me is the reports of some of the cops actually joining the looters.
I think the ability to keep civil order depends on two main factors: first, the severity of the disaster, and second, the availability of law enforcement resources.
This is the worst natural disaster in the U.S. in a hundred years.
And New Orleans cops have a long standing and well earned reputation for being crooked.
Two plus two.
Posted by: IO ERROR at September 02, 2005 10:49 AM (Emro5)
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Rather that's "preying".
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:49 AM (fl6E1)
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Oh, I hate when I forget things. The policy now for the National Guard to deal with looters is "
shoot and kill," according to the governor.
Posted by: IO ERROR at September 02, 2005 10:51 AM (Emro5)
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But Rusty, anyone can see that Bush Hitler and his gang of war criminals caused this calamity to jack the price of oil.
You are just trying to deflect attention from Cindy Sheehan and her war on Bush Hitler.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 02, 2005 10:53 AM (5ceWd)
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New Orleans is famous for its corruption, crooked politicians, and Mob connections - isn't it like Mafia-City South?
I'm concerend that aid going to New Orleans will wind up like aid to Africa - some bossman type is gonna pocket the majority of it.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 10:57 AM (lKqPU)
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Yep, Filty. I just read yesterday that "wasn't it convenient for the neocons that a hurricane hit New Orleans to take the focus off Cindy's plight".
There are some truly despicable people out there.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:59 AM (fl6E1)
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I love how the anonymous communist piece of shit author wrote that the victims were almost all black, but neglected to point out that the criminals are almost all black too. This is what blacks do when nobody can stop them; rape, pillage, and kill. Anywhere that there is a concentration of blacks is a defacto third-world country, and nobody can deny this now.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 11:08 AM (0yYS2)
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I've been reading a lot of message boards and blogs, specifically black oriented ones, and I'm disgusted. Most responses are the standard tripe; they deserve to loot because they're oppressed, and Whitey's getting what he deserves. Blacks are showing that they hate us and would all go on the rampage if they had the excuse. Let them come, I've got lots of ammo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 11:17 AM (0yYS2)
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There's a whole bunch of things absolutely, outright wrong (lies?) in the NYT accusations; the issue of the National Guard readiness and capability, to whit such crap as:
The situation might have been considerably less dire if all of Louisiana's and Mississippi's National Guard had been mobilized before the storm
Fact: "In June long before the 2005 hurricane season shifted into overdrive, the state military's second-in-command, Brig. Gen. Hunt Downer, told The Times the Louisiana Army National Guard was practiced and ready to handle the big storms."
and as to strength in numbers, FACT:
"Despite prominent roles in the War on Terror, the states report more than the 50 percent strength mandated for homeland missions. Louisiana has 65 percent of its troops available for state missions; Mississippi, 60 percent; Alabama, 77 percent; and Florida, 74 percent, Guard officials said."
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050830/NEWS01/508300352/1002/NEWS
As to the question of preventive action??
"In 1977, plans for hurricane protection structures at the Rigolets and Chef Menteur Pass were sunk when environmental groups sued the district. They believed that the environmental impact statement did not adequately address several potential problems, including impacts on Lake PontchartrainÂ’s ecosystem and damage to wetlands." (page 4-of-12)(http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/Riverside/Sept-Oct_04_Riv.pdf)
ALL THIS: Hat-tip McQ at QandO Blog: http://www.qando.net/
...unreported is the fact that this project was initially sunk in 1977 by environmentalist lawsuits. And that nothing has been seriously done since then by any administration. That the project is a 25 year project, and had the work begun in the presidency of Jimmy Carter, its possible it wouldn't have been completed in time for Katrina. But no: it's Bush's fault.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 12:37 PM (lKqPU)
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Thank you for that Keith.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 12:42 PM (fl6E1)
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You bet Oyster, I'm just sick of all the stupid lies masquerading as editorial fact, spewed forth by the NYT.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 12:47 PM (lKqPU)
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The NYT never misses a chance to denegrate America. Sometimes they take a chance when there is no chance. This is not one of those times. If the Gov lacked the guts to call out the Guard 8/27 Rummy should have done it on 8/28. NO has a history of riots and violence that goes back over a century. This should not be as big a surprise to anyone in any of the governments involved as they are all pretending it is. There are no clean hands here. City, state and federal governments all failed to do their primary job.
Had this been Cerritos, Cal where there has never been a riot I would except their lame excuse and tale of "caught by surprise". It is not! The tales are just plain Bu-- Sh-t. All sleeping at the switch. Cant fire elected officials but should fire Rummy. Malfeasance of the first order. More American dead than the Muslime attacks of 911. No good excuse. Rummy must go.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 02, 2005 12:55 PM (03F0I)
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Money quote:
The situation might have been considerably less dire if all of Louisiana's and Mississippi's National Guard had been mobilized before the storm
Well, there you go; it's all my fault. Where did I put that crystal ball?
There's no doubt that we will learn a lot about relief response - though I'm wondering why this lesson hasn't been learned yet, given the annual hurricane season and the devastation in NC a few years back, and why a city under sea level isn't more prepared. Nonetheless - this should not affect giving and relief support, or empathy for Katrina's victims. Scapegoating and anti-Bush digs are pathetic, and these people should be condemned for letting their cynicism and politics dictate their response.
There are few places on earth without some cyclical phenomena that can endanger and kill people who live there, from the heatwaves in Paris, the tsunamis in the Asian seas, flash floods in the Southwest, earthquakes in South America, droughts in Africa and hurricanes across the southern and tidewater states. Preparation for disaster can always improve, but response and support from neighbors will always be necessary.
So let's do it with a smile and figure out how we can do better as we go along. These people are already at wit's end, surrounded by death and cut off completely from the normal lives they had just a few days ago. They need a humane response.
Posted by: tee bee at September 02, 2005 01:24 PM (q1JHF)
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tee bee:
If all the LA and MS national guard had been mobilized and in the teeth of this storm, we might be talking about a catastrophe of monumental proportions because of the thousands of dead and missing national guardsmen caught in the storm.
Instead, we hear the grousing and shin-kicking.
I wonder if there was a time when we could count on national unity, this would be it. And yet there are still people who would much rather score points than pick up the slack and save lives - even by just calling in a donation to help.
Posted by: lawhawk at September 02, 2005 01:30 PM (AcoYr)
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The NG units did not have to be in New Orleans during the storm. There was plenty of talk about an army base that took some weakened Katrina and did okay. Gov Blanco could have asked to stage the troops there.
This is something that should have been done earlier. It takes at least three days to get a guard unit together. Remember these are weekend warriors.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 02, 2005 02:03 PM (8NokC)
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Earthquakes happen out west in California all the time too: Parkfield is a regular laboratory. We also have a problem with dilapidated old levees and under sea-level farmlands in the Sacramento River Delta area all the way down to the SF Bay Area - built during Roosevelt's tenure by the Works Progress Administration, and seasonal rains - and with major Ecoweenie gropups who throw Wetlands lawsuits at any attempt to fix or improve things.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 02:34 PM (lKqPU)
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What would have happened if that same hurricane went through New York instead od New Orleans? what would this writter for the NYT do then?
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 07:41 PM (O2c+K)
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lawhawk - good point. I was merely in awe of someone peeved that the future had not been foreseen and prepared for. Not that the future wasn't foreseen. But throwing more bodies into the flood is an even dumber answer than government and personal prescience. I'm still looking for my crystal ball...
Posted by: tee bee at September 02, 2005 08:07 PM (q1JHF)
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"Whomever this author is (whom is obviously afraid to sign his work),"
Its an editorial. Its the view of the editorial board. Didn't you ever learn that?
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 10:21 AM (Z3mEP)
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So it's an editorial BOARD...not just one guy. So there's like a whole bunch of these f**king wankers at the NYT, not just one.
That's encouraging.
Posted by: JonT at September 03, 2005 02:45 PM (Wkn6F)
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Americans should realize that the rest of the world is looking at them.
Your government just abandonned all the poor people who don't own cars or have enough money to the fate of the elements of Nature. We have much sympathy for all the victims left stranded but we are outraged by the incompetence and cynicism of your leaders. Even in communist Cuba when there is an hurricane (and they have at least a couple every year), everybody vulnerable is sheltered and they have very few victims. Castro himself takes command of the operations unlike your president who prefered to stay in his ranch.
Reading some of the comments here on black people I feel disgusted. It is your government that behaves like a 3rd world country by not taking the necessary steps in time.
Posted by: Michel Meyer at September 03, 2005 04:00 PM (UcEt2)
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Mr Meyer, get a life . . Let's start with the Mayor of New Orleans who has done nothing but carp and cry . . he has displayed all the leadership of a wet mop . . . His Police Chief is a whining crybaby with absolutely no leadership qualities nor management skills . . this isn't because they're Black, but because they're ignorant assholes who would blame anybody else for their inabilities . . add to that a Governor who sat on her wide ass and didn't call out the N.G. until two days after the sun began to shine . . and the "Poor" people were shooting at the rescue copters . . .
But, I'll be on Mr. bush's Ass in a New York minute if they decide to resurrect that "Ghetto in a Ditch" with my tax dollars!
Posted by: large at September 03, 2005 05:25 PM (Ny1Tj)
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The non handling and then the subsequent mishandling of the riots and looting is an international disgrace. The Sec Def must go at a min. Homeland Sec should not be far behind, followed by AG. The worst I have seen by the Fed Govt. since Carter was President. If Bush does not tak action and can Don at least 06 will be bad for the GOP. Almost too incompetent to believe!
I almost think I should have voted for JFK - not really. But this is the worst in 26 years.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:37 PM (LbyCD)
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New York times editorial - September 1/2005
"While our attention must now be on the Gulf Coast's most immediate needs, the nation will soon ask why New Orleans's levees remained so inadequate. Publications from the local newspaper to National Geographic have fulminated about the bad state of flood protection in this beloved city, which is below sea level. Why were developers permitted to destroy wetlands and barrier islands that could have held back the hurricane's surge? Why was Congress, before it wandered off to vacation, engaged in slashing the budget for correcting some of the gaping holes in the area's flood protection?"
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New York Times editorial - April 2005
"Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America's rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects — this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences...This is a bad piece of legislation."
Posted by: Robert at September 04, 2005 10:41 PM (0C3or)
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"Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences."
sounds like a bad idea to implement something the experts flunk.
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 10:45 PM (QPrcU)
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Of course those editorials don't take into account that every time someone has tried to do something about the levee system in LA, the environmentalists come out and start suing people until they give up. The levees could have been fixed in 1977 if the enviro-weenies hadn't stuck their noses in the process. When you consider that fact alone, it seems rather ludicrous to blame Bush for not doing something about this.
Posted by: Drew at September 05, 2005 04:50 PM (HQiW4)
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"Americans should realize that the rest of the world is looking at them."
"Looking" at us? You're kidding, right? I don't care who's LOOKING AT US.
And comparing us to Cuba? You're kidding again, right? Do you think for one minute Castro would announce to the world how many people die in any given circumstance, natural or otherwise? You've got a lot of growing up to do.
What did you do? Read one anonymous editorial in the New York Times, formulate an opinion and race right over here to berate us? How many other blogs did you run to with the same line of crap? What the hell do you now about who failed who?
Large was right, Mr. Meyer. Get a life.
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Planned Parenthood to the Rescue!
New Orleans, LA (LifeNews.com) -- Victims of Hurricane Katrina are battling rising waters, destroyed homes and are seeking basic necessities like food, water and shelter. On Wednesday, Planned Parenthood sent an announcement to its members that the nation's largest abortion business is available to help -- with free morning after pills and birth control. Planned Parenthood Federation of America interim president Karen Pearl lauded her group's efforts in a recent email to its supporters. "As Hurricane Katrina ripped through the southeastern United States, Planned Parenthood [is] there to offer one free month of birth control or one free emergency contraception kit to women from Louisiana and Mississippi,"
Yeah, because we all know that THAT'S what's on everyone's mind down there. I guess I should be happy that they aren't offering free abortions to all the women.
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With the shocking and unexpected violence we're hearing about, there is also some rapin along with the killin and lootin. If i were a rape victim, I would want some of dem pills.
Otherwise you are right on
Also, DemCentral ABC did a special report on NewOrleans last night. They pulled out all the stops and used the disaster to screem their "talking points" in our faces, and to blame Bush and the Reps for everything. They played the race card so heavily and so blatantly, my stomach was turning within a minute, beyond which I could no longer watch.
It was a truly sickening display of how the parasitic Dems use misfortune to rape, uh, I mean reap political hay. The only time they care is when your hurting. And, in exchange for your vote, they'll pretend they feel your pain, too (when they're campaigning).
Powerline has comments on the Leftists attempts to cash in on Katrina:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011540.php
Come to think of it, maybe planned parenthood can supply some of their pills to the viewers victimized by that media assault? After all, we wouldn't want to take any chances!
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Up to their waist in sewage, short of food and water, no showers, weather in the 90’s with high humidity...are these folks really.. ‘gettin busy’ down there?
Great to know we can always count on Planned Parenthood to be there with the OLE Hoover vacuum when a disaster strikes
Posted by: Brad at September 02, 2005 10:23 AM (6mUkl)
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Planned Parenthood should be happy. THe national guard is about to perform late late late late term abortions on Looters.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 02, 2005 10:55 AM (5ceWd)
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Yeah, what "InTheirDefence_sortof" said. But on a more sarcastic note:
I know that when things get really bad my first inclination would be to be worried about getting my "freak on".
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:55 AM (fl6E1)
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Even in the midst of a natural disaster these radical feminists can't stop thinking about their vaginas. To them everything boils down to that hole between their legs.
Posted by: Carlos at September 02, 2005 11:14 AM (8e/V4)
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What is the need for birth control at a time like this? In the face of disaster. It isn't like people aren't going to spend their time having sex left and right!
Posted by: Sheila at September 02, 2005 11:37 AM (P9mdt)
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Well, civilized people don't think about sex during a disaster, but we're talking about blacks here, so I say give 'em all the morning after pills that can be found, because we don't need any more of them if this is how they're going to behave. Call me racist, you know I'm right, their actions bear out the truth of my words. And remember, I'm the one who plans on voting for Condi even if I have to write her in.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 11:58 AM (0yYS2)
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They don't call it "Blue" Bayou for nothin!
...as this post [FROM:
http://www.patrickruffini.com/archives/2005/09/hurricane_of_ha.php] shows:
"September 1, 2005 11:52 PM#4: rosignol writes:
My original reaction to the Katrina catastrophe was going to be: "NOT ONE DIME."
For an hour or so, I contemplated the idea of turning it into a crusade: No-one in the blue states (where the money is) should give one dime of aid to the victims of this hurricane, which devastated Bush-friendly regions.
http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/datagraph.php?fips=22&year=2004&f=1
Orleans Parish, 2004
Kerry 77.4% 152,610
Bush 21.7% 42,847
Other 0.8% 1,646
Orleans Parish, 2000
Gore 75.9% 137,630
Bush 21.7% 39,404
Nader 1.7% 3,025
Other 0.6% 1,162
Orleans Parish, 1996
Clinton 76.2% 144,720
Dole 20.8% 39,576
Perot 2.0% 3,805
Other 1.0% 1,810"
mystery solved! Now we know why it's such a violent place.
It's nothing to do with Black vs White, as the leftists want you to believe, but about anarchist lefitst DNC brown-shirts** vs civilization.
**(actually "blue-shirts" might be a more appropriate term, but either way they're still full of B.S.)
Remember what I allas says, "You can't eat a refrigerator," only the contents! Taking the food you need to survive is NOT looting, as the White House announcement made clear, (but the DNC is conveniently not mentioning to better play da race caaad.)
But if you be taken anythin else, an I hopes they shutes u @$$, especially if you be shootin at the rescue choppers, rescue personnel and other victims.
The racist bating of posters like the "imp...," above are only trying to give the false impression that conservative sites are racist.
But I know him from previous posts to be nothing more than a rabid leftist.
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PutneySwope,(who the hell is this moron?), said:
"The racist bating of posters like the "imp...," above are only trying to give the false impression that conservative sites are racist."
Racist baiting, eh? Sooooo, dumbass, what part of my statement can you refute? Do you mean to say that you think blacks are as civilized as whites? Do you walk through black neighborhoods at night, or do you live in a black neighborhood? Would you drop off your mother or daughter in a black neighborhood? Do white people go on a rampage of raping and looting when the lights go out?
"But I know him from previous posts to be nothing more than a rabid leftist."
Oh this is funny. Please, cite some posts, by date and topic, that show me to be a rabid leftist. I'm the one who's always saying that liberals should all be shot, and muslims are backwards savages who should be exterminated. Does that sound like a good dhimmicrat to you? You are so damned stupid I can't see how you don't die from it.
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Is nothing sacred to PLANNED PARENTHOOD i mean if their not scuttling down to NEW ORLEANS they are printing their own christmas cards reading CHOICE ON EARTH what a load of bull kaka
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:19 PM (QtdTZ)
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are those people totally out of their minds???...or am i somehow been transported to a parallel earth???....birth contol pills...oh boy what a lot of help to STARVING and DEHYDRATED people those will be....its the end of the world as we know it...REM
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 02, 2005 11:19 PM (hcN1S)
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Hmmm, wonder what this button does....
"hate hate hate, kill kill killl...."" *Racist Maximus*
Ooops, heh heh heh...
No, Imp, it isn't ALL the poor blacks who are the rioters, as the leftists (and you) want us to believe. They are the victims of the blue-city democratz who leave their citizens to the mercy of thugs and hoodlums, and then have the nerve to blame the federal govt..
(1) http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_09_01_05ng.html
(2) http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026
(3) http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/05.09.01.Illgotten-X.gif
(4) http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050903/OPINION/509030414/1002
Racism in today's america is a nearly wholly owned DNC subsidiary.
I admit, I may have carelessly confused you with someone else. But, you know, based on your flaming irrationality and bias, I think I may have accidentally hit on something.
I would like to appologize for what I got wrong, but your response gives me reason to pause.
Are you sure you aren't a closet leftist? Because you sure act like one!
The pretend-compassionate left creates a welfare class so it can exploit them to retain power. But they have no compassion, only contempt, as do you.
Either you are one of them, or you are falling into one of their traps. You see, every time you alienate someone they exploit, you help them perpetuate the victimization. (Your lack of compassion leads me to attempt to reach you by appealing to your self-interest.)
Because your racism helps keep the left in power, it's only natural that you can be identified as one of them.
To sum up, if you aren't one, and don't want to be mistaken for one, don't act like one.
Posted by: Doctor Phil at September 04, 2005 02:00 AM (MpD8m)
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Dr. Phil: Get your own name. Signing off as Dr. Phil did not lend credence to your rationalization.
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Pesky real job
Darn I've got some catching up to do here. So I'll be pretty busy and with Rusty out guest bloggers are welcome.
See bush saves Police officers. Not Bush, a bush.
Also this morning I was listening to an interview of an evacuee from Katrina. She was a nurse at a veterans hospital/retirement home and had accompanied vets to a DC area evacuation site. Paraphrased quote
I've lost my job, my house, my car, everything I'm now free to fish
Now that's the spirit.
Updated: Also our last festival of Fatwas has moved pretty far down. Link this post and send a trackback if you would like a Friday Fatwa.
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APSA Blogging, Day 3: Hangovers
Hung out with some fellow anonymous political scientist bloggers last night. We met up with the not-so-anonymous
Daniel Drezner. He's good people.
Next door, Cornell West was at a party. Wait, that guy is a political scientist. I thought he was a hip-hop artist or something?
Two worlds colliding. You know about the worlds. A non-blogging, not-in-the-know about "Rusty Shackleford", friend from grad school was hanging out at the party with us. Turns out, he and Steve the Llamabutcher know each other. Small world. Awkward, since none of could talk about blogging around him. Best to keep academic world and blog worlds apart.
If you have to make a choice between going to a party hosted by libertarians or conservatives, go to the libertarian party. Just trust me on this one.
Best. Advice. Ever: Never challenge Steve the Llama Butcher or Professor Chaos to a drinking game.
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As gay as a french horn. I bet Chaos was making out with Cornell West... you know, he digs the teeth.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at September 02, 2005 09:39 AM (Wsn+K)
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Aha! My suspicions are confirmed by those closest to him!
Posted by: Wittysexkitten at September 02, 2005 01:14 PM (5//sc)
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10 bucks i waived in front of that guy's face!
definitely gay.
that, and he had his tongue in rusty's ear....
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September 01, 2005
Irony
I've been away from my guest-blogging duties here for a while. While New Orleans was going under, this was the view that night from where I was staying:

A little rain might have been nice.
--See Dubya
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I can't really see the image. Is that fire?
Posted by: Professor Chaos at September 02, 2005 12:51 AM (Ura90)
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Fire, yes, and lots of it. It's a crappy photo but I think it gets the point across.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 02, 2005 01:16 AM (Egj23)
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Dammit Dubya...when are you gonna learn that playing with lighter fluid isn't safe? Just kiddin. This past winter there was a fire near my girlfriend's parent's house in the Sierra Nevada mountains and I think about 17,000 acres burned. We were miles away but it was snowing ashes.
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HAIL HAIL FIRE AND SNOW CALL THE ANGEL WE WILL GO FAR AWAY FAR TO SEE FREINDLY ANGEL COME TO ME MY GOD THE SKIES ON FIRE ooooohhh it looks scary
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I did not know that
Your local CITGO gas station is
owned by Hugo Chavez.
Originally, CITGO started out as Cities Service Corporation in Indian Territory--the eastern half of what is now Oklahoma, before 1907. It's based in Houston, but owned by Caracas.
There are some things of ours I don't think our adversaries should be able to buy. I'm glad China was stopped from buying UNOCAL. So where was Clinton on the CITGO sale in the 1990's? Can we regain control of the rest of our energy supply?
--See Dubya
EDIT: Oops. Looks like that was Bush #1. That was well before Chavez came to power in 1998; he just got control of one of America's biggest oil companies in the process.
UPDATE: Hyscience says let's boycott Citgo. Seems pretty reasonable to me, although it may hurt a lot of businessmen in the process. Still, a widespread boycott could bring the share price down low enough that an American interest can buy it back.
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Whoa looks like the FBI should lok into this or maybe the State Dept should it sound serious that americans could be construbting to a potential enemy and screw jimmy carter
Posted by: sandpiper at September 01, 2005 08:40 PM (MNa1O)
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trackback isn't working
Posted by: Richard at September 01, 2005 09:40 PM (xFeJi)
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Richard--
I'm just the night manager. I can't get into the vault.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 01, 2005 10:47 PM (Egj23)
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No problem, I'm a fellow JR poster but don't have a key either.
Posted by: Richard at September 01, 2005 11:07 PM (xFeJi)
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Hugo Chavez....another castro in the making...mini-me you can say....Fidel must be so proud of his creation....why does it seem so many South American and Central American countries have such a huge problem with ruling themselves peacefully???...always has to be so many overthrows and dictators and , well, such a freakin mess...i guess they just like it that way...and than they bring their problems here...time to mine the border
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 01, 2005 11:43 PM (hcN1S)
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Gosh, I never thought of just mining the border. Now that's a great idea. I suggest bouncing bettys and trip-set cluster bombs. For large groups, perhaps an occasional MOAB would serve to discourage crossing into our country.
Posted by: Richard at September 01, 2005 11:47 PM (xFeJi)
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well its either mines or a piranah filled moat Rich...which would you prefer to keep out illegals who might and do bring in diseases and the terrorists with bombs???...i kind of like the moat...self feeding
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 02, 2005 12:16 AM (hcN1S)
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You can't boycott Citgo. Half of the fuel in Lake Charles LA is refined at the Citgo refinery. Do you know where the fuel you bought at the Texaco station this morning was bought? No you don't. In New Orleans only the Mobil and Murphy gas refineries are shut down. Motiva is awaiting power and personel to get back on line but in the mean time there is no fuel for any stations that normally get their loads from this area. Refineries and loading racks sell fuel that gets additives blended as it loads to make it that branded fuel you put in your tank.
Posted by: Bullshark at September 02, 2005 03:38 AM (x5a99)
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" Still, a widespread boycott could bring the share price down low enough that an American interest can buy it back."
Is it even publicly traded?
Posted by: actus at September 02, 2005 06:45 AM (Z3mEP)
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See-Dubya; Either you did your homework or you're revealing your age with the knowledge about Citgo once being Cities Service. I'll point out my age and tell you that the Mobil gas stations where I lived all used to be Sinclair (the dinosaur logo) and gas, when I was 10 years old, was $.22 a gallon. Cigarettes were $.28 and a loaf of bread was about a quarter. My dad used to send me to the corner store to buy his Pall Malls for him when I was in 6th grade.
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Of the top oil producing countries in the world, only one is a democracy with a president who was elected on a platform of using his nation's oil revenue to benefit the poor. The country is Venezuela. The President is Hugo Chavez. Call him "the Anti-Bush."
Citgo is a U.S. refining and marketing firm that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company. Money you pay to Citgo goes primarily to Venezuela -- not Saudi Arabia or the Middle East (if you buy from texaco or other american owned oil company). There are 14,000 Citgo gas stations in the US. By buying your gasoline at Citgo, you are contributing to the billions of dollars that Venezuela's democratic government is using to provide health care, literacy and education, and subsidized food for the majority of Venezuelans.
Instead of using government to help the rich and the corporate, as Bush does, Chavez is using the resources and oil revenue of his government to help the poor in Venezuela. A country with so much oil wealth shouldn't have 60 percent of its people living in poverty, earning less than $2 per day. With a mass movement behind him, Chavez is confronting poverty in Venezuela. That's why large majorities have consistently backed him in democratic elections. And why the Bush administration supported an attempted military coup in 2002 that sought to overthrow Chavez.
So this is the opposite of a boycott. Call it a BUYcott. Spread the word.
Of course, if you can take mass transit or bike or walk to your job, you should do so. And we should all work for political changes that move our country toward a cleaner environment based on renewable energy. The BUYcott is for those of us who don't have a practical alternative to filling up our cars.
So get your gas at Citgo. And help fuel a democratic revolution in Venezuela.
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Note to friends: E-mail
I'm at a conference in Washington, D.C. Sorry if I can't respond to all comments or e-mails right now because of limited access. I do have internet access, but
Professor Chaos's pad is so dungeon-like as to make any one want to spend as little time as possible in it. This apartment goes a long way in explainsg Chaos's long track record of striking out with his dates.
Thanks for your patience.
UPDATE: Chaos assures me that there are many more deep seeded pathologies that explain his relationship problems.
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Nice to hear you are in the area ... the average IQ, or atleast web capabilities, of DC just went up a few points!
/TJ
Posted by: TJ at September 01, 2005 08:35 PM (PL7dL)
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My bet is it has to do with his obsesion with the Taco Truck and Five Guys.
Posted by: Wittysexkitten at September 02, 2005 12:29 AM (5//sc)
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Five Guys is a worthy obsession, should you be in the market for one.
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Pajamas Media and Me
Check out the Pajamas Media portal. My bio is now up. Ever want to know what I look like? My photo is up, too. Man, am I good looking or what?
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Rusty,
It looks like someone beat the crap out of you with wet noodles! Who was it: students, school administrators or Kossacks?
Posted by: Don Miguel at September 01, 2005 11:08 PM (UAn5X)
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cool to know at least a little about the guy who runs the site...i dont blame ya for being carefull, after all, youre job could be at risk and most of all, you have a family to take care of...i think its funny that youre wife has no idea...if i did this stuff my wife would laugh her ass off at me since im such a goof...sigh...oh well....nice to meet you{kind of} Rusty....keep up the good work
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 01, 2005 11:38 PM (hcN1S)
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You're a much bigger man that I suspected. I had you envisioned at pygmy size. Very small hands and feet. Unless you just blurred over a pic of Jesse Ventura. I was expecting "South Park" Rusty so this is a step up.
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Posted by: Rusty at September 02, 2005 12:53 AM (Ura90)
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It's a shame to have to work in an environment so hostile you have to remain anonymous. Where I work the worst case scenario is that I have to use monosyllabic words and speak very slowly - and even then I have to repeat myself two or three times.
And you ARE a handsome devil. ;-)
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 06:53 AM (YudAC)
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What, no mention of the Koran flushing, the ongoing Crips vs. Bloods fued, or the hot lesbo action? Disappointment.
P.S. Get rid of those sideburns.
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APSA Blogging, Day 2: Claremont Institute Panel on A Neocon Conspiracy

Above (click for bigger pic): The guy in front of me falls asleep during Michael Ledeen's talk.
Panel 3, Sponsored by the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy
A Neo-Conservative Conspiracy? Principles and objectives of Bush's Foreign Policy: A Roundtable
Excellent roundtable. Most of these academic panels put me to sleep. Not this one. Unfortunately, the guy sitting in front of me wasn't as into the talks as me. I couldn't resist snapping a picture of him with my cell phone. That's Michael Ladeen, author of War Against the Terror Master, in the background talking.
Speaker 1: Adam Wolfson, former editor of Public Interest
Wolfson began by talking about how Bush outrages both Realists and Idealists. Later, Wolfson would claim that Bush is a Hamiltonian Realist. Hamiltonian Realists believe that the character of opposing regimes is somehow connected to our national security.
Bush is also not a Wilsonian Idealist, as some on the Right like to accuse him --think Pat Buchanan. This is evidenced by Bush's willingness to selectively apply his idealism. Think Cuba. After the Cold War, Cuba ceased to be threat. Bush's unwillingness to invade Cuba does not reveal a hypocrisy, as many on the Left like to accuse, rather it is consistent with a Realist foreign policy. No threat, no need for regime change. Iraq, on the other hand, was a threat and therefore only by regime change could we ensure the long-term national interests of the country.
Wolfson reminded us, though, that the cause-effect relationship between democracy, peace, and our national interest is a theory we are trying to test. It could very well be that the theory is wrong. Bringing democracy to the Middle East may not, in fact, bring peace and serve our interests in the long run. Let's hope the theory is right.
Random thought : This guy should definitely blog.
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Posted by: Professor Chaos at September 01, 2005 07:29 PM (UBwvx)
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Wish I could have been there. (Although my husband has never been able to understand my interest in politics.)
I think the left has gone so far left that they're having a hard time defining themselves without alluding to the fact (or even admitting to themselves) that the most extreme of the left is coming full circle and emerging on the extreme right end of the spectrum.
There are those who will deny it, but even the bulk of the right, over decades, has shifted toward center. And the bulk of the left, just to maintain a respectable distance, has shifted even farther left.
If the trend continues, we "will" end up in a fascist/communist state.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 07:18 AM (YudAC)
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Dear Professor Chaos,From where I stand-Canada with it's mild centrist or liberal tradition and polity- why all the fuss and furor over the enemies on the left when really there is no Left in the United States, pace a few aging professors in the humanities?For real left activity, you have to see what is happening in the rest of the world;not the United States.In the U.S.,there is no left unless you want to be real silly and count people like Ted Kennedy,Hilary Clinton and journalist from the New York Times.Even the labour movement, which is small compared to other industrial countries, is centrist(liberal), generally impotent- hardly leftist.Another reminder: when talking about regime change and making analogies & comparisons with World War 2, we need to know for both good and bad that it was the Soviet Union that defeated Nazi Germany not the United States.Compared to the contributions and sacrifices of the Soviet Union ,the U.S.was a secondary player .They fought and won their war aginst Japan in the Pacific.Lastly,what justification do you have in saying that 70% of the Iranian people want to get rid of the Mullahs?Unless I am mistaken, this comment is just wind. Political arguments have to be achieved and won by & with a general respect for the truth not ideological bluster,whether left or right. Rick
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