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September 11, 2005

Blog Sabbath Caption 9/11 Edition

This is not your usual Blog Sabbath Caption contest. There won't be a winner. Caption the photo below with what you were thinking and doing on that day.

I'll start off with my two most distinct memories. When it became apparent that this was a deliberate attack, I turned around to my supervisor and said, "Are they insane? Don't they know there's a Republican in the White House?"

When I got home to have lunch, I walked in the door, and my wife turned to me with a look of abject horror on her face and said "What the Hell is going on?" I just said "Well, we're being attacked," with a calm that belied what I was feeling inside.

Your turn.

Posted by: Vinnie at 12:48 AM | Comments (46) | Add Comment
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1 I watched. I stood silently and just watched. I thought of the people in the buildings as I stood silently and watched. I watched as a second plane entered the scene. I stood silently and just watched. I thought of the people in the buildings as they collapsed, and I stood silently and watched. I prayed for those lost. I then got angry and vowed revenge.

Posted by: Jonathan at September 11, 2005 01:02 AM (M7kiy)

2 That's funny, I said something very similar to a co-worker. Something like "Those idiots are about to learn the difference between Democrats and Republicans the hard way."

Posted by: Doc Rampage at September 11, 2005 01:15 AM (4c/XS)

3 You ask what we thought that day; I was on the West coast so it was 6:30 am -- I distinctly remember being woken up by my brother who said "this is war."

Posted by: Leopold Stotch at September 11, 2005 01:29 AM (OuoFI)

4 My first though after the initial shock was this: There will be hell to pay for this. Lets f'ing do it this time!

Posted by: The Good Lieutenant at September 11, 2005 01:29 AM (D9dFI)

5 Those are my two most distinct memories of the day. The ones I that always stick with me when I think about it. My very first thought, though, was when I first heard that a plane had hit the WTC. I couldn't believe that a pilot could be so blind that he hit one of the buildings in broad daylight. I just assumed it was some yokel in a Cessna.

Posted by: Vinnie at September 11, 2005 01:48 AM (Kr6/f)

6 I was home sick as Hell. Got better in a heartbeat, I knew I had retired the September before. My first thought was, will they take me back. Somebody has to go get these bastards!

Posted by: jmiked at September 11, 2005 02:31 AM (FYsfk)

7 First thought: during WW2, a B-25 hit the Empire State building... same thing? Second: someone's gonna f***ing pay. Third: call Mom. Call the office and tell 'em I'm not coming in. Fourth: gas up the truck, fill the spare cans.

Posted by: Russ at September 11, 2005 03:54 AM (utsLN)

8 I was thinking it had been about 14 years since Pres Jimmy stabbed the Sha in the back. And now the Muslimfascists are bringing us their thanks. I was hoping we would really go after them. It reconfirmed for the umpteenth time that Jimmy was the worst Pres in history. But he re reconfirmed it in 02,03,04, and 05. Proving no *bad* deed goes unrewarded.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 11, 2005 05:18 AM (tplWd)

9 Thoughts? You people were able to think? My daughter had just gone to kindergarten and Barney was still on an hour later so I switched to CNN. I was so stunned my brain shut down. Vaugely as the first building went down before my eyes, I remember being annoyed that there wasn't a matching pair any more, but it took me several days to comprehend that when we were talking about the dead people that I had watched them die as the building went down. But I was crying for weeks. I remember that. I remember waking up in the mornings and it was like after someone in your family dies, there's a second before you remember it and then you remember it. I remember not wanting to wash my husbands dusty pants after he came home from working in the pit because I felt like all the dust was sacred.

Posted by: Jane at September 11, 2005 06:17 AM (ywZa8)

10 I remember watching the people jump from the building, one after another, and wondering who they were. It took so long for them to come down. I remember being impressed the TV stations were showing each others footage, logo and all. Oh man, its only 730 in the morning- its going to be a long day. I remember running to find the flag by about 10 am. I remember looking in the face of every stranger and seeing an American looking back at me. Somebody ask me today what is the deal with all these articles Im writing, today I can explain it.

Posted by: Jane at September 11, 2005 06:37 AM (ywZa8)

11 I remember big groups of doctors and nurses and stretchers all lined up at the hospitals, ready and waiting out in the street for the ambulences that never came. I remember that big cloud like a monster swallowing up people and snaking down blocks until it exploded over the city like a bomb. I remember Rudy kept walking as he gave the interviews and instructions to the public.

Posted by: Jane at September 11, 2005 06:57 AM (ywZa8)

12 I was on my way to work heading over the intracoastal bridge and listening to NPR when a female voice interrupted and said a plane had just flown into one of the twin towers. It was about a 5 second interruption. Then they went back to the program that was on. And I thought,"What? That's all? no more information?" The moment I got to work, I turned on the TV in the bar and as other employees came in we just sat in horror as the rest of the day played out. When the second plane hit, I turned to someone and said, "This is no accident. Bin Laden did this."

Posted by: Oyster at September 11, 2005 06:59 AM (YudAC)

13 "Some motherfvcker is going to pay!!!" (He's still camping out in Pakistan today)

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 11, 2005 07:08 AM (TAhhF)

14 I remember thinking that life as we know it is over.......Its time to get serious about terrorism and let anyone and everyone involved with it know that we are coming for you. The days of pussyfootin are over. Thank God we had a Republican President in the White House. M.W.

Posted by: Mighty Whitey at September 11, 2005 08:24 AM (LyQM9)

15 my ex-wife called me a little after 9am, she was crying hysterically that the WTC had been blown up...my tv was out, so i calmed her down and got her to explain to me what had happened....called my parents across town to get info from them, my job called in a bit after saying work was called off for the day...guys at my job working the day shift watched the WTC collpase from the plant rooftop....every day for weeks i drove the NJ Turnpike on my way to work and saw the smoke rise from the collapased rubble..felt more stunned than anything, that for the first time in over 50 years,America had been attcked on its own soil

Posted by: THANOS35 at September 11, 2005 08:55 AM (QtMud)

16 I remember the day well. I was asleep, a long hibernation which I enjoyed, back in the day before life was a bit more 'organized'. I remember my mom calling, all hysterical, and saying "A plane hit the World Trade Center! Turn on the TV!" As I was doing so she was asking questions, the first of which being "Do you think this was on purpose?" "No," I replied, "No one could do this on purpose. It must have been some terrible, terrible mistake." Of course, my words were proven wrong, and not more than a few seconds after uttering the phrase, we all watched as the second plane hit the other tower. So much for denial. I can still remember the burning, quite lividly. I got online, one of the few things I could do. The messenger services, bloated. I even got on the in-line chat systems for a couple of the internet games I played, and it was the subject there, too. I noticed something odd about my cellphone, it wasn't counting time, and I realized that the companies had, on this day, realized the importance of communication and NOT decided to charge people. I called everyone I knew, my GF, my ex, my friends far away. During this time, I watched the burning buildings, and the people hurling themselves from the windows. I saw the Fire Department of New York rush into the buildings, despite all sanity which screamed at them that it was a death sentence to do so. Yet they had gone beyond sanity, for they knew they would die if they went there, but STILL chose that course, in the hopes that they could save as many people as possible. I remember thinking "If those buildings are still standing, they will never be taken down. We'll use it as a monument to this day, and the lives lost, and there will be signs and lights made so that will will remember the day these buildings burned like two great torches." Again, I was wrong, and I still feel bad about my timing. For not more than a few seconds after that thought, the windows began exploding even as the supports began collapsing. While logically I knew it would be designed to fall DOWN as opposed to OVER, it didn't keep me from worrying. And then I remembered the rescue teams. I remember the plane ramming into the Pentagon, though only barely. There wasn't as much news coverage or, as I should say, I didn't SEE much of it, as I was talking both phone and online to the people I cared for. I remember the vast smoke cloud, the pile, and the wreckage. I knew that THIS would illicit an IMMEDIATE response, because if anyone was stupid enough to try and attack THAT place, they'd better do the job in its entirety and all in one go, else they'd be hunted to the ends of the Earth. I remember the news about the plane over Pennsylvania. I remember them talking about the crash. Again, wrong in the end, I assumed that someone had figured out what was going on. I figured that the 'higher ups' had realized that our planes were being used against us and someone had to make the dreadful order to take them down. I thought, as the news talked about the downed plane, that there was likely someone out there who had been given an order and, knowing he had hundreds of lives at the end of a trigger, had been told (or taken it upon himself) to shoot it down. The thought that someone would have to make such a terrible choice was itself as distrubing. Fortunately, if anything on that day could be fortunate, once investigators got there, it was easily determined that the plane had somehow just... crashed. At this point I guessed again, and was actually correct for once. The passengers, upon hearing what happened to the other planes, WOULD have tried to retake this one by force. When presented with an impossible situation, we would fight tooth and nail to prevent it from harming others. That's what Americans do. All in all, my biggest memories were that we had come upon a new era. A certainly level of agreement or trust existed among enemies were some things simply weren't done. Now the rules had been thrown out, and no matter how we chose to fight, we WOULD choose to fight. And despite what others would claim, months and years later, we wouldn't just go after those who had done this (impossible, as they all died), we wouldn't just go after those who supplied the information, those who masterminded it, or those who had directly made it possible. No, we'd pursue every enabler, everyone who had ever had any contact with these men or their organization. It would be less of a war and more like an extermination, because: This. Could. Not. Stand. All those helped even the slightest must be held accountable. And so we would, though there were many who were not up to the task and did not understand what it meant. That day, and its memories, led me to a choice I would make a little more than a year later. A choice I couldn't make RIGHT THEN, for the simple fact that everyone else would. I'd do what I could in peace because at some point in the future, I'd do what I could in war. Thank you for the space to reminisce.

Posted by: Tyrmadris at September 11, 2005 09:06 AM (QvjBb)

17 First thought as I'm riding into NYC on NJ Transit - why is there smoke coming from the upper floors of the first tower? Bomb? Explosion? Did I see a plane? WTF? Confusion. Call the office and say I might be late - I take PATH after all. I get into Manhattan okay, but now look up and see both towers have flames and smoke coming from them. WTF?! That can't be possible, unless this was deliberate. Who? What? WTF? All the local news websites are crashing from everyone trying to get on. I hit the BBC and JPost. Planes hijacked. Some may still be in the air. Plane crashed into Pentagon. WTF?! Where are the towers?! Gone? Collapsed? WTF?! How many people were just murdered by this heinous act. Then, as I'm leaving Manhattan on foot, heading into Brooklyn over the Manhattan Bridge, I look back through the smoky air and think to myself. Fuckers are gonna pay. The fuckers are gonna pay for this.

Posted by: lawhawk at September 11, 2005 09:14 AM (R6azi)

18 I was at work, knee-deep in briefing several colleagues on recruiting for interns in my upcoming absence. I was eight months pregnant, and had received a stern warning from my doctor not to travel, hence my briefing my co-workers and getting them ready for the road. Our boss walked in to our conference room and said that a plane had struck one of the towers of The World Trade Center. We work for an agency of the Department of Defense, and just one day prior, our Security Manager had sent a mass EMAIL regarding travel to the D.C. area in late September. Some sort of message had been received regarding a potential threat, and we were cautioned to be vigilant if travel plans had us going to the D.C. area later that month. When our boss told us that the first plane had hit, all I could think of was "Oh my God...we knew this was going to happen, but not in New York...and not today!" Not too long thereafter, she came back in to our conference room to tell us about the second plane. At that moment, I ran out into our little learning center, which was filled with Marines and other DoD civilians all glued to the tiny televisions we'd set up. Most were crying, and many were just plain in shock. One of our secretaries had planned to take me baby shopping later that day, and she just stood there in total shock. She said over and over, "I saw the plane fly into the second building." She just was in total shock. It wasn't long thereafter that the building was evacuated and we were all sent home. I'll never forget it...it was such a clear and gorgeous day in Kansas City, much like it was in New York. And here we were, so heartbroken and scared and sad, and it just didn't seem to fit. The beauty of nature, both externally and growing inside my womb contrasted with this deep and horrible terror and tragedy. When I got home, I was glued to the coverage on television, just as everyone else was. And the entire time, I felt tremendous guilt. What kind of monster would I be for bearing a child in a world where human beings (and I use that nomer exceptionally lightly) hurt and kill like this? And I thought over and over, "What am I going to tell my baby about this day? How will I explain this to her?" Seven days later, I delivered her via emergency C-section...early, and her life and mine were both temporarily in danger. But we are both, thank God, safe. She was my little miracle and my little piece of tomorrow that shows me that we're all going to be OK. We have a tremendous responsibility and opportunity as parents and citizens to educate our children about love and freedom. Hopefully the world my almost four-year-old daughter will have when she is my age will not be the same world we have today...instead, her world will be one of peace and understanding and respect for others. As a mother and an American, that is my hope for tomorrow. Perhaps that's the legacy the beautiful lost souls of 9-11 has left for us...the aspiration to teach our children to work and reach for a better world. If we work toward this, then those lost are honored better and more respectfully than any physical monument or structure that we could create. Thank you for the change to share this story.

Posted by: Jennifer at September 11, 2005 09:30 AM (xuGPe)

19 I turned on the radio and heard Don Imus talking about smoke coming from the WTC, and I wondered to myself why they were replaying part of a broadcast from the 1993 bombing. Then they mentioned the airplane and I realized what was going on. I knew there were clear skies along the whole east coast that morning. And I know where NYC's airports are. It had to be on purpose - you can't accidentally hit the WTC in clear skies. In those first moments, my only question was; "is it a crazy person in a small plane, committing suicide or crashing into his boss's office or something? Or is this the Real Deal?" When the second plane hit, that was answered. Unlike most of you, I did not see any of it on TV that day. It felt shameful and voyeuristic to think about sitting om my ass and watching. I wasn't able to race to NYC to help, but I couldn't watch helplessly. I couldn't invite that extra trauma. I just wanted to know what was going to happen next. By the time the Pentagon was hit, I was convinced that a state of war would soon challenge our understanding of the post-Cold War world and of our personal freedom, because it is hard to keep Americans both safe and completely free. I was hoping we would pull it off. I am surprised at how well we have done - not at running down the organization responsible, which I knew we would do. But at trying not to sacrifice our personal freedoms for security. I expected much worse. I still want Bin Laden's head on a pike.

Posted by: Wulf at September 11, 2005 09:41 AM (cQc+Y)

20 I was visiting my Uncle in Toronto. I rolled off the couch in the basement and switched on the tv just after the second tower was hit. I remember how surreal it felt watching them collapse into that gigantic cloud of dust and debris, taking thousands with them. Later that day, standing at the bus stop, the whole world felt strange - the streets were virtually deserted, no traffic, no people, no noise. I thought though, with my shock now turning to anger that this was the turning point. The civilised world was finally going to unite and crush Islamic terrorism. How wrong I was.

Posted by: Graeme at September 11, 2005 09:43 AM (yCwOn)

21 My wife was dropping me off at work when NPR reported a small Cesna had hit the World Trade Center...my wife and I thought it was a wierd and terrible accident. By the time I got to my desk my phone was ringing. It was my wife who saw the second plane hit live on tv. I was dumb struck. I worked for a major phone company at the time which then went into emergency mode securing communications for the nation's capitol. It was unreal but it was also clear...our good and Godly nation was now at war with the god of radical Islam. I have no doubt our God will prevail.

Posted by: Joe at September 11, 2005 10:00 AM (6t39z)

22 I stood in front of the TV in total shock and grief. I knew our lives would never be the same and thought, "How could someone want this to happen?" Naive I know, but I just couldn't believe that people could hate that much.

Posted by: Anon at September 11, 2005 11:04 AM (hbjrl)

23 I was thinking well they've started it now we got to finish it. And we will.

Posted by: Howie at September 11, 2005 11:21 AM (D3+20)

24 I live across the river from where the WTC once stood. Many of my neighbors died. I made a short film. These are my memories: http://mistersnitch.blogspot.com/2005/09/our-after-911-site-is-online.html

Posted by: Mr. Snitch! at September 11, 2005 11:54 AM (2CNDQ)

25 I remember being called to pick up my daughter from school. Before we got into the car, we fell on our knees (well, I did - she was only 5), and prayed for the safety and protection of New York. I remember that my husband was in the DC area for training, and I wasn't sure if he was in the Pentagon or not. I remember crying out to God that whole week, begging for Him to be merciful to us. I remember begging Him to allow us vengeance.

Posted by: Romeocat at September 11, 2005 02:05 PM (dIews)

26 I'd caption the picture: "The Mideast replays Pearl Harbor" As for what I did, I'm a manager at a (very secure, I can't say what) plant and I went to my Engineering staff to inform them of what one of the group had told me. I told them all we knew and asked that anyone who had family that they needed to leave work to go contact to just tell their supervisor and they could leave. Thoughts? That it was a foolish sucker punch. As if "they" could take this whole country down?? Just get on a plane and fly over 2 big cities. OK, 2 buildings -BFD, and payback's a bitch. No matter what their cause, they just turned on a hellfire response and their cause couldn't possibly be serviced by this. (This response is still being tempered -my biggest beef is that we should quietly notify the 7-8 countries that bred and are hiding these sewer rats that the next hit on our homeland will cost 3 of those countries about a million people each and they could gamble amongst themselves who'll get it -Make it clear the this is THEIR problem more than it is OURS, let THEM round up the creeps.)

Posted by: yoda at September 11, 2005 02:22 PM (6krEN)

27 i wuz running late for work, pulling on jeans in front of the news, and i saw the first plane--it wuz big for a private plane i thought, but i couldn't concieve of anything but a navigation accident by a private pilot...it wouldn't fit in my brain...and then the second plane hit...i knew it was deliberate, planned...and then the towers fell!!! i dropped to my knees and prayed, i never pray, hadn't since third grade.

Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 11, 2005 03:30 PM (CMNwH)

28 For me, It actually gets harder to talk about each anniversary that passes. I want to hear other people's stories but just can't tell mine anymore. I just can't express enough gratitude to flight 93.

Posted by: SarahW at September 11, 2005 04:02 PM (jqVs9)

29 I went over to the back door at the job site and looked at the Tennessee sky. The skies were already empty, save the clouds. Then I turned around and put my hammer through the wall.

Posted by: Ron at September 11, 2005 05:00 PM (ywZa8)

30 In the book First In, about the CIA team sent to Afghanistan kill OBL after 9/11, the author states that his boss told him on the morning of the attack to bring back bin Laden's head in a cooler, packed in dry ice, because he had promised the President that very thing. I wrote this extended haiku, trying to envision his final moments as the Caliph of the Caves. The dominos fall. One day. He will be alone. No friends. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. Then the sounds. Warriors on the hunt. Like wolves. Closing in. Now he's the sheep. Helpless. Abandoned. Forsaken. Alone. Caught.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 11, 2005 05:45 PM (0yYS2)

31 I was shook awake by my wife telling me that someone had attacked the WTC....I told her it was radical islamists and called a friend and told her that a man named osama was behind it...she said her dad had just called with the same info and asked how I knew? I told her that he had declared war on us, swearing our destruction, and that only the death of him and every muslim with a radical thought would we be safe.....she cried...I still refuse to.

Posted by: Kender at September 11, 2005 05:53 PM (ALym7)

32 Well, remember it was just after the 2000 election? Or seemed like it? My horrible fear as I watched the towers come down on TV was that the left had done this -- that it was some extreme left group behind it. It seemed entirely plausible then considering the way my lefty friends were carrying on, and it brought specters of civil war and destruction of our nation. In comparison, knowing it was Bin Laden was a relief. Still, something broke in me that day something that will never be the same again. Ever.

Posted by: Portia at September 11, 2005 06:12 PM (xlEaU)

33 Due to a construction project at the privet school my kids attend, we were not going to start the school year until the 3rd week of Sept. Perfect time to take a vacation I thought. Plans were to go to San Diego Sat- Tues, then drive up to Disneyland for the rest of the week. We did Sea World on Sun, then the Zoo on Monday. Planned to go to Sea world again on Tuesday 9/11 to finish off our 2 day passes. I was the first one awake and flipped on the TV and the whole thing just started unfolding before me. I watched for about 45 minutes then woke up my wife. Looking back, it was hard to put the whole thing into context. I remember thinking right away it was Muslim terrorists. We were also on the road and as the morning wore on, no one really knew the extent of the whole thing.No one to talk to outside my family. As all plains were grounded, the final tally came in. Was this day one or was it over? Looking back, this seems incredibly shallow, but I called Seaworld and asked it they were open. I remember being pretty bummed out when they told me the park was closed indefinitely. The kids were upset, I remember my daughter telling me 2 days before that the first day at seaworld was the best day of her life. We ended up watching the news for a couple of hours, then spent the afternoon at the beach. Having a rental car at this time was like gold because I believe they were extremely hard to come by. Wed we drove up to Anaheim and checked in. We didnt know if we would be able to fly home on Saturday or not but I knew I could just drive the rental back home if we had to. I had some pretty mixed emotions about trying to enjoy myself with all the events going on. My wife and I decided to just make the best of the rest of the time we had. The kids ended up having a great time. We bought 3-day passes for all. Disneyland ended up giving us an extra day free. This was our 2nd trip to Disneyland and both parks were deserted. I think I went on the California screaming roller coaster over 20 times. You could get off and get back on with no wait. Sometimes the seats were not even filled. All the rides were like that. I told the kids this would never happen again. On Friday I called Alaska airlines and asked if I could move our flight from Sat to Sunday and they were able to do it. We went to mass Sunday am, then drove to Orange county airport and dropped off the car. Screening at the airport was heavy. I remember it was the first time I had been physically searched at an airport. Coming back to Seattle I remember looking down and a few thousand feet below was a USAF fighter aircraft. It must have been from McCord AFB. I thought for just a second about the possibility it was scrambled to shoot down a civilian aircraft, but I dismissed the thought pretty quickly. During the flight I remember going back to the rest room and two stewardesses were sitting behind the curtain. When I pulled the curtain back one of them was startled. She gasped and covered her heart. You could tell she was under a lot of stress. That was a week I will never forget.

Posted by: Brad at September 11, 2005 06:58 PM (6mUkl)

34 Fuckem, they're all just little eichman's anyway.

Posted by: Ward Churchill at September 11, 2005 09:17 PM (8e/V4)

35 I had just gotten out of the shower and click on the TV. I stepped back into the bathroom and started brushing my teeth. In the background I heard the newscaster talking about a plane stiking the WTC and that the president in Florida. I walked back into the room with a mouth full of toothpaste and turned to look at the tv just in time to see the second plane strike the tower. I swallowed my toothpaste. I couldn't believe that a pilot could be that wrong, that incompetent. Then it occured to me that this could not be an accident, two planes and two towers it had to be intentional. I sat on the bed with my wife for several minutes just staring at the TV. She was crying and asking why. I just sat there and stared at the TV while getting angrier and angrier. By the time we had to take our kids to school and get ourselves to work my wife was avoiding thinking about what we had seen by concentrating on getting the kids ready. I was seething. This was wrong. This was war. My personal transition from shock and disbelief to anger and the desire to see some bastard pay for this took about 30 minutes. It has been four year and those images still immediately stir the same feeling of anger and a desire for revenge.

Posted by: David at September 11, 2005 09:37 PM (auHyx)

36 I had been incommunicado until after the Pentagon was hit, so I was give the whole story in about 30 seconds from someone who'd seen the TV reports. When the 1st plane was mentioned, I thought, "What a terrible tragedy." When the 2nd plane was explained, I thought, "Dear God, the terrorists finally did it." When I heard about the Pentagon, I was frightened because I thought the entire buidling was destroyed. And when I could finally wrap my brain around all three, I thought to myself, "What fools the terrorists are. They have awakened the sleeping giant." And what quickly followed was deep sorrow, as the historian in me thought, "Well, I guess I'll know what it's like to live in wartime."

Posted by: FbL at September 11, 2005 11:28 PM (6krEN)

37 It sounds heartless, but when one coworker expressed surprise I showed up for work as someone had just blown up the WTC using airplanes, I just shrugged and said "It's a big country and that's a long ways from here." They looked rather shocked, but I was still thinking of why I would not come in to work. Danger here? Maybe I should waddle/limp down to the recruiting station and try to convence the Sargent I'm 30 younger than I look? Anyhow, the US can absorb a lot of damage, and I can help best by doing my job, no matter what is going on elsewhere. By helping to provide the fighters with a stable base to operate from. Also, first reports are always incomplete and close enough to always wrong, so I try to wait to find out more before reacting. Acting on false assumptions can do more damage than not acting at all. I got online and started checking, and discovered the evidence pointed to Moslem terrorist action, and that two other planes were involved; one at the Pentagon (which gave me a moment's amusement at the reality jolt the ivory tower brassheads must have recieved, being a 'Nam era vet) and one crashed into the Pennsylvania countryside. I felt great pride that the passengers had fought back and forced the plane down, one way or the other. Later, I felt great contempt for the Loony Lefties who tried to claim that the passengers had not taken over the plane, the hijackers had crashed to plane to prevent them from doing so. So what if they were right? The plane went down because the passengers fought back. My greatest regret is that we cannot arrange for a "Moslem/Liberal Mutual Support Demonstration" to carpet bomb.

Posted by: Phillep at September 12, 2005 12:04 AM (zNjIG)

38 I was playin' Playstation, and when I switched games and browsed through channels while it was loading, and there was text on the top of screen rolling about a plane hitting a building in New York. 'Wierd... Must've been some autopilot bug' I thought and kept on playin'. Maybe an hour later I browsed through channels again and the news were saying there were other plane crashes and that they were terrorist (a word I had only seen in a more positive meaning in Final Fantasy 7 before that day) attacks. And I thought among other things: 'Ok... Shit happens... Lucky those guys had crappy aim, crashed 'em way too high, those things won't fall... Oh, now they did...' and started looking for more info on the events.

Posted by: A Finn at September 12, 2005 02:59 AM (lGolT)

39 A few days later I got bored since my TV was so full of it, and started linking Usa=>Shinra Inc., WTC=>Mako-reactors, Bush=>Shinra President, Al-Qaida=>AVALANCHE, Osama bin Laden=>Sephiroth... Of course I didn't take any of it seriously, just comparing plots of the game and real life, but eventually the Shinra Inc. and Shinra President became more and more obvious even though the others were bullshit.

Posted by: A Finn at September 12, 2005 03:14 AM (lGolT)

40 I remember the mornin' of 9/11 also. It was a Satuday mornin' and I was supposed to be at work. Instead, I was home with my wife to assure and comfort her. Her Grandpa had just committed suicide a day or so earlier. As we were watching the television that mornin', a 'special report' was announced: "The World Trade Center has just been hit by an unidentified aircraft." "Oh, My God!! An airplane has just crashed right into the World Trade Center!!" I said, as I looked at my wife with total disbelief. The first tower fell. I grabbed the phone and called in to my job to find out if they were seeing what was happening. The second tower fell. Later, my wife and I talked about it. We couldn't come to understand how anyone could be so violent and do such thing's to hurt so many people. The shock of it all was now beginning to pass. The adrenaline and anger was coming now. "Do they think we're just gonna sit back after doing this s--t?", I asked my wife. "We ought to take whoever done this off the f----ing map!!" "God Help Us All!"

Posted by: Sway at September 12, 2005 07:30 AM (Hy0ta)

41 What is that?

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 12, 2005 08:26 AM (8ZzO5)

42 I switched on the TV just after the first tower fell. I am an electronic idiot... so I thought I had tuned into a movie instead of the news. I kept working the remote, trying to get to a news channel. When I finally satisfied myself that I was indeed on a news channel I simply couldn't believe what I was seeing. I don't remember ever being so disoriented in my life. Around 2 AM on 9/12 I sat straight up in bed and wondered if I had dreamt it. It took me several moments to come to terms with the fact that what I thought was indeed real. Day after day after day the smoke from the rubble continued. I remember wishing that the smoke would just stop. I live on Long Island. The silence from the sky was unnerving, only to be puctuated by the fighter jets flying a race course track overhead. 16 Naval Academy graduates lost their lives at the Pentagon on 9/11. My son was at the Naval Academy then. If you know anything about the sacrifice young men and women make to spend 4 years at a military academy, then you will also know what a terrible loss that was to our country.

Posted by: babs at September 12, 2005 08:58 AM (Rrigj)

43 One other thought, all the pics of shoes. I mean shoes everywhere. I've not worn loafers since. I got a pair of sturdy sketcher all leather shoe boots that look kind of like a dress a shoe but I can really stomp in em.

Posted by: Howie at September 12, 2005 09:35 AM (D3+20)

44 I was on I-5 South in San Diego, heading downtown to work. Radio announcers were talking about "the attacks in New York and Washington." I kept changing the stations trying to find out what they were talking about. When they finally mentioned that commercial jets had crashed into the two towers, I thought "there's no way that an American pilot would fly a commercial jet into the WTC. Not even with a gun to the head. This is an act of terrorism." And I was not surprised.

Posted by: jeanne at September 12, 2005 09:02 PM (M7kiy)

45 I was in room 1C670(Army IT Architecture) of the Pentagon. We had a TV next to the colonel's office. The TV was was tuned to CNN and the volume was turned down so as not to interrupt the folks in the office. I was about to go down the corridor to 3C338(Army G-4) to meet with a friend to discuss Focused Logistics, when I looked at the TV and saw the replay of the first plane hit the first tower. I thought that it was a terrorist act immediately. I called several folks to the TV to see what was happening. Then the second plane struck the second tower. The voices of the reporters turned to quiet gasps. I turned to Bob and said, "we are sitting ducks, too". Bob nodded in agreement. I turned and went out into the A Ring Corridor, and suddenly a deafening boom and dense cloud of dust poured into the hallway. It sounded like a huge car accident followed by a bomb. I felt a rush of hot air go by. I was stunned for a minute or so...and covered in white dust where I had dropped. I heard screams of people down the hall, and got up to help them. There were people already arriving to help, so I took the first person I saw to the exit. Her skin was full of whelps from plaster from the walls blasted away by the explosion. Next, I carried a colonel on a stretcher to the triage point across from the marina. He had jumped from the 5th floor of the crash site and injured his ankles, and had also suffered smoke inhalation. I put an oxygen mask on his face at triage. Then, the FBI arrived with a bullhorn and said that another plane was on the way to strike us. I raised my fist in anger and cursed at the sky. At that point, I began the mile-long trek to Rosslyn-north of the Pentagon. I went to a building there where I knew folks, and called my wife to let her know I was OK. Then I caught the Metro and the Train home to Frederick. That night, I drank some wine, and cried for those who died...especially for my friend, SGM Larry Strickland, who died that day. We need to win the way on Terrorism, and demand that our allies assist us. If they do not, we need to find better allies. Thanks for letting me write my story of that day for the first time...it feels like healing.

Posted by: Jim at September 14, 2005 06:48 AM (Ed5s6)

46 I was thinking, Damn. How could they possibly have got through our air defense grid? It wasn't until later I realized that (of course) "they" couldn't have.

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September 10, 2005

Gay Cowboys Eating Pudding

Ang Lee's "Brokeback Mountain", a tale of homosexual love in the mountains of Wyoming, won the Venice International Film Festiva's Golden Lion award today. Once again proving that everything Eric Cartman ever says is always true.

The movie is adapted from a story by Annie Proulx and stars Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal as love-struck cowboys whose forbidden affair begins in 1963 and ends 20 years later. The director described the low-budget indie flick, shot in Canada to save money, as a story of love against adversity. (Reuters).

The AP describes the as being full of sweeping vistas, lonesome men, bucking broncos and smoldering campfires. It also has sex scenes between two men whose lives are changed, disturbed and entwined after being hired to tend sheep for a summer in Wyoming.

As of this writing, it is not known how much pudding is consumed in the film.

Actual South Park dialogue, describing the South Park Film Festival:

Cartman: No dude, independent films are those black and white hippie movies. They're always about gay cowboys eating pudding.

Wenday: No they're not. Independent films are produced outside the hollywood system. They're movies without all the glitch and glamour of Hollywood.

Cartman: Well, you show one independent film that isn't about gay cowboys eating pudding.

Parker and Stone, modern prophets........

UPDATE: Kevin Aylward finds audio of part of the dialogue as well as a very Beavis and Butthead quote to go along with it.

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Soldiers in Afghanistan Remember 9/11

It's already 9/11 in Afghanistan. Among the several hundred news articles that pass on the Leftist meme that the U.S. hasn't really accomplished anything after 9/11, I did find one from Reuters reporting from Afghanistan.

Of course, it wouldn't be al Reuters if halfway into the article they cut away from it to remind readers that the U.S. hasn't really accomplished anything after 9/11 in Afghanistan.

Here's how our soldiers in Afghanistan are remembering the day that changed the world. God bless them, every one. more...

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Human Embryos 'Cloned' in Britain

For the first time, a human embryo has been created without a male DNA donor, scientists in Britain revealed today. The British press, though, is being careful not to call what was done 'cloning', for fear of public outcry, instead opting to use the eupemism of 'Parthenogenesis', Greek for 'virgin birth'.

Virgin conception? As if Christians weren't going to be offended enough that humans are being cloned for the first time, scientists and their allies in the press decide to name the procedure after a central tenent of the very faith the euphemism is intended not to offend. Brilliant.

But don't worry, scientists at Edingburgh's Roslyn Institute, made famous for cloning Dolly the sheep, are telling us, this isn't really cloning. Far from it.

The difference between 'virgin conception' and 'cloning'? If I understand the technical issues correctly, parthogenesis stimulates a human egg to start dividing like an embryo without the addition of any genetic material. In other words, the cell is induced to begin dividing, splitting, and then growing on its own. Only the mother's DNA is present, but it is the DNA contained in the original cell. The cells are not implanted.

Cloning is when you inject the mother's DNA into an egg to start the process, and then implant the egg into a host womb.

See the big difference here?

BBC has more here.

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1 this is a subject that im not very sure on how i feel about it...i mean, while i am Roman Catholic though not a very religious one, i do feel that HUMAN cloning is something that mankind should leave be...i dont know, maybe because i really know very little about cloning and really have very little interest in it, maybe thats why i feel the way i do about it..it just feels wrong, i remember when Dolly the sheep was cloned and i thought, oh cool, but wasnt that thrilled by it, and than when i heard how Dolly aged so much faster than normal i felt vindicated, that i was right to not feel that cloning was so wonderfull...guess ive seen way to many sci-fi movies involving human cloning to get too excited by it and feel that its a good thing to do...somethings should be left to nature i suppose,im always worried if some knucklehead scientist is going to open up Pandoras box and release something horrible on mankind and that will be all she wrote for us...just my thoughts on this

Posted by: THANOS35 at September 10, 2005 04:25 PM (QtMud)

2 Human clonning should be banned we dont need for them to create another bill clinton

Posted by: sandpiper at September 10, 2005 07:08 PM (JyNSh)

3 Yes, Dr. Shackleford, parthenogenisis is isomorphic with maternal cloning, as far as i can tell. The process begins at impact with a mechanical object, most likely a needle, which may or may not deliver a dna payload. Previous to about a year ago, mammalian eggs would not go full term, because of the mammalian dna imprinting problem, which has since been solved. My question for you is, exactly what is the difference between initiating liftoff of the fertilization membrane in the following scenarios, and which is/are cloning? cell division initiated by needle prick cell division initiated by needle delivery of another copy of maternal dna cell division initiated by needle delivery of dna extracted from unrelated XX cell division initiated by needle delivery of XY dna cell division initiated by sperm impact

Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 10, 2005 09:15 PM (CMNwH)

4 Erm, yes, actually there is a difference. First off, the term parthenogenisis is not a euphemisim, nor is it new. It is the scientific term for ths kind of process, and has been for over a hundred years (parthenogenisis occurs naturally in many species, and the process was named by naturalists studying such species. ) Secondly, it is not cloning. The BBC article does not say whether the cells produced are diploid (two sets of chromosomes, like normal cells), or haploid (one set of chromosomes, like egg cells, or sperm). Cloning (aka Cellular Nuclear Transfer, which is the actual term) always produces diploid cells. Parthenogenisis produces haploid cells, unless something is done to the egg to double it's chromosome number, first. If these are haploid cells, then they could *NEVER* become an embryo. Period. they don't have the needed number of chromosomes.

Posted by: Monsyne Dragon at September 10, 2005 09:19 PM (Zhq+Y)

5 but Dragon, some aves and ranas can reproduce via parthenogenisis--are the offspring haploid?

Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 10, 2005 10:00 PM (CMNwH)

6 still. same question--does the addition of a micropipette of genetic material make the difference between an embryo and a "parthenote"? and neither the parthenote, maternal clone, or XX/XX embryo can be viable without dna imprinting--so are they embryos at all, and is it really cloning?

Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 10, 2005 10:11 PM (CMNwH)

7 Goddammit! Bush was cloned from his own evil twin!!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 10:23 PM (TAhhF)

8 Hmm... From what I know, in the vertebrates that reproduce parthenogenically, various processes (depends on the species) double the chromosome number in the egg beforehand, so the offspring are diploid. In insects, however, parthenogenisis often produces haploid individuals. (AFAIK, this is what determines the sex in some insects, one gender is diploid, the other haploid)

Posted by: Monsyne Dragon at September 11, 2005 12:42 AM (Zhq+Y)

9 So much for gays deriding straights as "breeders"...look to the the gay community to embrace this technology as a means to redefine "everything"...

Posted by: Grim at September 11, 2005 09:55 AM (6krEN)

10 Dragon, the def i was taught of cloning is that the offspring has the identical genetical makeup of the parent. I think the parthenotes in the article are not undergoing any sort of chromosome duplication, which is most likely why they are not working well. But if the brits are doubling the chromosomes, then parthenogenisis would be cloning, IMHO. But that is not what i was really interested in, i am curious about the "personhood" of the classes i delineated before, parthenotes, invitro XX/XX with maternal dna, in vitro XX/XX with non-maternal dna, and invitro XX/XY. Let's add parthenotes with doubled chromosome compliment. Only the invitro XX/XY is viable without dna imprinting. Are the others actually embryos?

Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 11, 2005 10:37 AM (CMNwH)

11 Human cloning is something that must be perfected now, before mankind initiates a nuclear holocaust which could very possibly have damaging effects on women's reproductive capabilities (not to mention the fact that women are becoming less fertile as time goes on anyway). For the sake of humanity, this is something that should be observed. We'd best be prepared. If we're not - Our entire human race may painfully fade out and disappear. Stop stopping science from helping 'you.'

Posted by: madmagickdotnet at September 11, 2005 10:45 AM (7IS4Y)

12 Maybe I'm being simple-minded here, but.... Cloning animals is one thing, but just because we can do it, does it mean we should move on to humans? Curiosity and the want to advance scientific knowledge is a wonderful thing. But at what point does it become unethical? Who gets to decide who gets cloned when it becomes commonplace? Anyone here care to see another Hitler? Mussolini? OBL? It's one thing to clone a sheep; another to clone Stalin. With a little proper upbringing, they could be just like their predecessors in body AND spirit. Imagine the impact it would have on the psyche of others to see those faces again 20 years down the road. Just like the nuclear bomb. It helped us win a war over evil, but now evil wants one too. I vote NO. Some things are sacred and better left to nature.

Posted by: Oyster at September 12, 2005 06:31 AM (YudAC)

13 Silly Oyster, human cloning will be big business. But we won't actually grow full clones, we just want to grow brain-stemmed organ sacks for compatible transplants.

Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 12, 2005 09:53 AM (CMNwH)

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A Memorial to the Religion of Peace

So, they want to shape the Flight 93 memorial like a crescent? Fitting. Why don't we pour some salt on our wounds and buy an industrial sized barrel of KY while we're at it?

CDR Slamander has some more great ideas, like starting with flying a Nazi flag over the Holocaust Museum.

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It Pays To Live in a Democracy with a Market Economy (Updated)

Death toll for 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami: 120,000 plus.

Death toll for Hurricane Katrina in N.O.: 300 plus.

Zero deaths would be great, sure, but a ratio of .0025 isn't bad for the "worst natural disaster in US history," as MSM is so fond of saying. Anyone who has updated information on the actual death toll from Katrina (not the hyperbolic "estimates"), especially if it includes the entire Gulf Coast, gets well-earned kudos for reporting it here. The 300 number comes from a PBS report yesterday, issued by a N.O. official.

This is a participatory and self-correcting enterprise, unlike the alternative.

Update: Thanks to the entirprise of Oyster and the Associated Press we can now report that the 300+ figure for the death toll from Katrina is not just for New Orleans, but for the entire Gulf Coast. Granted the comparison of a Hurricane with a Tsunami isn't ideal, but a death toll ratio of 1 to 3,300 suggests that there's something to the notion that you're safer living in a market oriented democracy. A comparison of earthquakes in Iran vs. the US yields a similar ratio. Even going back to 1906 to find a quake comparable in magnitude to the one in Bam, Iran, which killed 41,000 we find that the San Francisco Earthquake--the most devastating in US history--killed 3,000. Death tolls from more modern quakes in the US are in single digits. The death toll from the Northridge quake, the most destructive modern temblor, was less than 60. The difference is probably a matter of construction methods and other engineering interventions, as well as communicatons and disaster response and relief. Winds of Change has more.

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US & Iraqi units enter Tal Afar, Ass wadds in Aswad next.

U.S. and Iraqi troops have enter Tal Afar today.

In the Tal Afar offensive, which had been expected for weeks, coalition forces faced several hundred lightly armed insurgents in the largely deserted city, 260 miles northwest of Baghdad and about 60 miles east of the Syrian border.
There was heavy gunfire in the Sarai district, the oldest part of the city and the major insurgent stronghold." I can see why the terrorists chose this place for a fight, it's like a big funnel of death," Sgt. William Haslett of Rocklin, Calif., said of the twisting streets and alleys in the old city.

While ass wadds in Aswad beg to be next.

Gunmen on Saturday opened fire on workers heading to their jobs at a U.S. military base in Khalis and killed four people, police said. The incident took place in the village of Aswad nearly 30 kilometers (20 miles) northwest of Baquba. The dead were described as civilians. Four other people were wounded as well. Baquba and Khalis are in Diyala province north of Baghdad.

The more things change the more things stay the same.

Hugo caused $7 billion ($9.4 billion in 2000 dollars) in damage in the US (plus $3 billion in the Caribbean). At the time it was the costliest hurricane in US history, but was exceeded in 1992 by Hurricane Andrew in south Florida. In South Carolina, which bore the brunt of the storm on the continent, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was slow in responding and Senator Fritz Hollings referred to them as "a bunch of bureacratic jackasses." An investigation was launched, which led to some reforms in FEMA procedures that helped the agency do a somewhat better job during Andrew, the next catastrophic hurricane to strike the United States.

So are you telling me that since 1992 Democrats have known FEMA was slow and did very little, not even with 8 years of Bill Clinton in the White House? Excuse me for thinking about that. It seems to be the larger the organization the slower and less flexible. That's why little old churches get there first. They are small and flexible no red tape required. It could also be related to the fact that many roads were cleard by a rednecks with a package of Red Man in the hip pocket and a chainsaw in the pickup.

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All Your Money Are Belog To Us: Part II

If my dispute with the Classmates Dot Com scam is unfamiliar, and you're interested in taking such scammers to task, see the original post here. Classmate's response to my case, presented in an email, was to simply reiterate their right to extract funds from my account without my knowledge or permission, and to "compensate me" by offering to extend my "membership" by three extra months for free. Which is a little like offering someone a free bucket of scat. It's just the right attitude to take in a public relations strategy promoting a "helping hand" image for their company. The perfect mix of smarminess, cynicism, and untouchable arrogance.

So I'm giving them a little more "free" publicity, understanding fellow that I am.

Just in case it's not obvious, the implications of their claim that a "terms of service" contract--agreed to during the initial sign up of every client--covers any access to their customer's accounts that isn't vigorously and consistently resisted, basically amounts to a license to steal. Fundamentally what it means is that anyone who has ever signed up with this company had better have access to a good lawyer, or resign themselves to the possibility of having their pockets picked once a year, from now on... more...

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1 Just supporting the man did you not click the link? I assure you it's safe. You refund him and let me know I'll post that fact or he will. . So it might help it you gave demosophist his money back please. Pretty please with sugar on top. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/116990.php September 09, 2005 "All your money are belong to us." A couple of years ago I joined Classmates.com as a premium, or "gold" member, on a trial basis.... ....But if that weren't basically just a cash cow for a scam, wouldn't my word be good enough? Unless, of course, they know they aren't providing any actual value... "Your money are belong to us," they say.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: Member Care To: Michael Howard Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 4:21 AM Subject: RE:'Classmates=001-803-798' Suggestions Hi Michael, Thank you for contacting Classmates. I'd be more than happy to assist you. I need a little more information from you Â– please reply to this email and let me know specifically what it is you need help with, and I will do my best to assist you. Thank you in advance for your time. I look forward to your reply. Sincerely, Paul Classmates Member Care Team. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Howard Date: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:20 AM To: Member Care (membercare@mc.classmates.com) Subject: Re: RE: Suggestions http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/116990.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Member Care" To: "Michael Howard" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: RE:'Classmates=001-803-798' Suggestions > Hello Classmates Member, > > Thanks for contacting Classmates. We just wanted to let you know that we > received your email and we will get back to you as soon as possible. > You'll be hearing from us shortly. > > Have a great day! > > Classmates Member Care Team > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Howard > Sent: Friday, Sep 9 2005 11:17AM > To: Home [membercare@mc.classmates.com] > Subject: Suggestions > > Send Demosophist his damn money back

Posted by: Howie at September 10, 2005 12:14 PM (D3+20)

2 I hate to break it to you, but you've received a form letter. Your message to Classmates.com obviously got no more than the most cursory glance. I was fortunate; I never gave them a credit card number. So I have no idea if I still even have an account there or not.

Posted by: IO ERROR at September 10, 2005 12:15 PM (48Hov)

3 Oh not I've never paid em a dime I'm just playing with them blog games you know.

Posted by: Howie at September 10, 2005 12:17 PM (D3+20)

4 I did register a long time ago, but under a fake name and I never gave them my credit card. Nice reporting. Lets see how long it takes before their lawyer contacts you. You might want to update the 'Terms of Service' for accessing Jawa Report to protect you from the scum. Who the hell wants to get in touch with people they went to high school wih anyway.....

Posted by: Fred Fry at September 10, 2005 12:46 PM (RPY7Q)

5 Michael: Thanks for the support. I appreciate it. Hope it comes to something. IOE: I hate to break it to you, but you've received a form letter. Your message to Classmates.com obviously got no more than the most cursory glance. Well, if that's true and they're that disconnected from their customers it ought to be pretty easy to get a judgment against them in small claims, and to continue to ride them publicly and screw up their business model. One strategy that occurs to me is to obtain some sort of commitment not to do this from a competitor of theirs. That is, in lieu of this "gotcha" policy, the competitor offers to just give people who cancel a pro-rated amount, counting on actual provided value to retain clients. And the fact that Classmates is unwilling to do that, or to take even minimal steps to aassure that customers' accounts aren't accessed without their conscious authorization, ought to throw the value of their membership under a high contrast spotlight. In short, if all they actually have going for them is a confidence scam it ought to be pretty easy to pick their bones clean. Can you imagine the thousands of people they've ripped off this way, and thousands of small claims judgments that potentially could do more than assuage their "clients" sense of being exploited by their pockets picked by a theif? And eventually mainstream media might even pick it up. Now, there has to be an ambitious competitor out there willing to take the plunge, unless the only value for these extra-curricular alumni organizations is to use them as a confidence scam. In which case, that'd be a real good thing to know and make public. It might even be worth an article or two in a major media outlet. The theory of markets says it has to be so... This could be fun.

Posted by: Demosophist at September 10, 2005 12:55 PM (vCl5w)

6 Yeah right?

Posted by: Howie at September 10, 2005 12:56 PM (D3+20)

7 Uh I'm not holding my breath hope you aren't either.

Posted by: Howie at September 10, 2005 12:57 PM (D3+20)

8 Fred: Nice reporting. Lets see how long it takes before their lawyer contacts you. You might want to update the 'Terms of Service' for accessing Jawa Report to protect you from the scum. Heck, I'd love to have them sue me. It would practically guarantee that MSM would pick up the story. Plus, I've been pretty careful to make clear that the real issue is the potential for fraud and abuse that exists in the policy, and that the only assurance customers have that they won't be abused is the good faith exhibited by the company. Which, it ought to be clear, they've nullified by their refusal to refund money obviously taken without the permission of a customer. No good faith = no security against fraud and abuse. I'd love to see them sue me for making that case. As Glenn Reynolds is fond of saying: Double heh...

Posted by: Demosophist at September 10, 2005 01:04 PM (vCl5w)

9 Howie: Uh I'm not holding my breath hope you aren't either. It's win win for me and lose lose for them. There's almost nothing I can do that won't cost them more than they get by refusing to refund my membership. About their only hope of break even is to obscure the principles involved so that it's not too obvious that the only logical justification for their policy is that they can't actually provide any value that remotely approaches the fee they charge. If they did then a refund policy would be automatic, as it is with most retail firms. Their own dishonesty and ignorance makes them easy pickings. All it costs me is $39 and a little time. I don't even have to get dressed, and can sip premium beer without anyone even noticing. And that's the worst case scenario.

Posted by: Demosophist at September 10, 2005 01:11 PM (vCl5w)

10 LOL! This is hilarious! The exact same thing happened to me this week. I suppose I'm just a sophomore though...I'm only on year 2! GRRR!!

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September 09, 2005

I See A Pattern

I just heard Cokie Roberts say that those who've seen both the Christmas Tsunami and New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina have said that N.O. is worse. Now wait just a minute. The death toll from the Tsunami was around 120,000. Most of the hyperbolic comments about Katrina put the eventual N.O. death toll at, possibly, around 10,000. But the most recent estimate put forth by N.O. officials who are actually counting bodies puts the death toll in that city at 300+. Now, if the plus goes up by over 200%, which is a little unlikely, that means that the estimates promoted by mainstream media, that have the Left on Kos screeching that Bush ought to have declared marshal law, are off by a factor of somewhere between 1,000 to 3,000 percent! And the tsunami death toll was a mere 10,000% larger than New Orleans.

So what's all this inaccuracy about? Well, it's about the fact that the Left realizes it can't make a case for its analysis and prescription of social problems using just plain old logic and argument, so it has to use emotion. And in that situation anything you can do to raise the emotional stakes "helps the cause." So Cokie is compelled to say that Katrina was worse than the Tsunami even though an objective analysis puts it at a very small fraction of the Indian Ocean event. With this sort of logic the earth is larger than the sun, and my home town in rural Washington state is a major metropolitan area. So when does Wilbur get its share of the pie, huh? We're waiting...

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1 Uncle Samfester choked on a big fat pretzel, sat on a spiky cactus and then had his ta ta ta snapped in a mouse trap over Horrorcane Bushrina - Those who dont want to play the blame game - are to blame!!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 01:26 AM (TAhhF)

2 Klanrooster - I know you are out there in FEMAland, beggin' for the gub'mant cheese after Sammfester found you. Repent your racist sins and Jesus will accept you.. Repent!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 01:32 AM (TAhhF)

3 FWIW, this page (see under Â“Damage and Casualties") says the U.S. Geological survey has the final Tsunami death toll at Â“283,100 killed, 14,100 missing, and 1,126,900 people displaced.Â” My gut says to double that 283,000 figure.

Posted by: Lastango at September 10, 2005 01:55 AM (1hsCu)

4 Did a quick search and can't find anything to back up your Cokie Robert's thing. She may be a lib but I doubt she's stupid. Hold off awhile on the deathtoll. Suspect it will be an issue in a few days but too early to see how it will play out. Personnally belief it will be significantly lower than projected. The blame game and hype tends to distort everything coming out of NO. Sidebar interest - the two levee sections that failed were new and improved. 17th street a couple of years ago, the other with a project late 80's early 90's. There is a quiet lil' investigation starting up.

Posted by: hondo at September 10, 2005 02:35 AM (4Gtyc)

5 Those people who do not want to play the blame game...they're to blame! - Jon Stewart

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 03:08 AM (TAhhF)

6 sounds familar - thousands died - jenin???

Posted by: gphot at September 10, 2005 03:13 AM (h/gNL)

7 Why don't they just call it Hurricane Bush and be done with it? Some of the gloating in the wake of Katrina has been as stomach-churning as it was entirely predictable. The glee with which a terrible natural disaster has been seized as yet another stick with which to bash Bush has been odious. No one would argue that the relief efforts in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane were not chaotic, slow and unimpressive. But the blame for that can be laid primarily with the corrupt, shambolic local government in Louisiana as much as with the federal authorities. There was a monumental screw-up when it came to evacuating the area, especially the failure to bus out the poor, black residents of the inner city ghettos. For three days, the powers-at-be seemed to freeze like rabbits in the headlights. The sheer scale of the devastation over-whelmed them. There has been comparisons with the tsunami in South East Asia. But there are vital differences. A tsunami is a giant flash flood. The waters rise and subside in minutes. A hurricane can hang around for days, dumping billions of gallons of water in one place. One of the storms which laid waste to the east coast of Florida last year took 36 hours to pass. I managed to get out of Florida on one of the last planes before they closed the airport because of Hurricane Frances. Friends who stayed on said it took up to 72 hours for relief efforts to kick in to full swing. One of the problems is that when a hurricane approaches the sensible thing to do is move all rescue vehicles, helicopters, heavy equipment, buses, planes and boats as far out of the path of the storm as possible. The downside is that while the vital plant and machinery is undamaged, it takes time to get them back to where they are needed. All those sneering at the tardy response to Katrina would have been the first to point an accusing finger if all the rescue planes, cranes and automobiles had been left in place in New Orleans and been turned into scrap metal by the devastating power of the storm. That would have been Bush's fault, too, no doubt. Inevitably, Bush-haters have managed to drag the war in Iraq into it. If only US troops hadn't been in Baghdad they could have been in New Orleans more quickly, they claim. Not true. The Iraq war had zero impact on the relief effort. The state of Louisiana had 7,000 National Guardsmen to deploy as soon as the roads became passable. What took them so long is a question the governor of Louisiana has to answer. None of this is intended to detract from the awfulness of the situation in New Orleans, nor the hell on earth endured by those trapped in the city as Katrina did her worst. Its merely an attempt to put into perspective the pig-ignorant jubilation of some British commentators who can see no further than their own perverse hatred of America, and Bush in particular - even at a time of harrowing human tragedy. They are certain they know what went wrong and who is to blame, even though they've never had to suffer anything more spectacular than Michael Fish's (UK weather man) 1987 hurricane, which blew down a few trees and crushed a couple of Citroen 2CVs in Hampstead (uk). Bush may not have covered himself in glory last week but this is a time for prayer, for support, for aid, for donations for the unfortunate people of New Orleans. It shouldn't be an excuse for a ghoulish exhibition of pathetic political point scoring. Thank's for letting me post.

Posted by: Matt at September 10, 2005 05:18 AM (PM/BC)

8 The real shocking part of the revised death estimate is that SOMEHOW thousands of these poor people, without cars, managed to self-evacuate (and survive.) ...Despite the apparent attempt by Democrats to let them die and be tools for political gain.

Posted by: Fred Fry at September 10, 2005 05:53 AM (RPY7Q)

9 You must have watched Charlie Rose. I saw the same interview and thought exactly the same thing. How can a Tsunami that did so much destruction be worse. While there may be similarities between the flooding in New Orleans and the Tsunami. Those stop quickly. However there may be a closer match to the destruction in Mississippi, where Bilioxi was devastated. Even with that it is hard to believe people would actually say the Gulf Coast is worse for any reason other than emotional.

Posted by: Dean Reese at September 10, 2005 08:31 AM (LVMtp)

10 Life is an illusion a day for the MSM. Facts have little relevance in their BSD infected world. Katrina is just today's, Cindy Sheehan, there will son be another, so stay tuned.

Posted by: From the Swamp at September 10, 2005 08:44 AM (7evkT)

11 There will be no indepenent corroboration of the official body count. The military have taken over the search area and banished the press. Residends (witnesses) are being evicted. Offical body count numbers will be coming from high ranking military officers. The Pentagon has shown its eager willingness to supress information and generate disinformation that supports adminstration taking points. In light of these facts can anyone have confidence in official death numbers?

Posted by: jack at September 10, 2005 08:52 AM (ME6kN)

12 They are American lives. That makes them more valuable. That makes the disaster worse.

Posted by: Bill Dautrieve at September 10, 2005 09:49 AM (D7nqJ)

13 The Libs have wanted us to lose in Iraq so they can blame Bush, and now they are already starting to sound dissapointed that not as many people died in the hurricane as they were hoping for because how better to blame Bush than high casualties. So predictable, so despicable.

Posted by: Carlos at September 10, 2005 10:29 AM (8e/V4)

14 Geez, the Frenchies killed off 10,000 of their old people with one measly heatwave and we can't even kill 10,000 with a frickin' Cat 5 hurricane? What's wrong with us.

Posted by: dcb at September 10, 2005 10:30 AM (8e/V4)

15 Apparently life is an illusion a day for Jack too.

Posted by: Carlos at September 10, 2005 10:44 AM (8e/V4)

16 Actually Jack, with loved ones waiting and willing on the fucking phone, the need to keep the body count accurate is tremendous. If there is ANY discrepancy, you can be sure it will be caught and then rectified. Keep your conspiracy theory nonsense to yourself please, thanks. To do otherwise is slander (and last time I checked, against the law).

Posted by: Henry at September 10, 2005 11:31 AM (NdKxH)

17 Libs like Jack are positively drooling for a high body count. Being "outraged" is so addictive.

Posted by: dcb at September 10, 2005 11:39 AM (8e/V4)

18 I knew that the loony left was sick, but not just how sick until I saw what they said about Judge Renquist on DU and what they are doing to tear this country assunder since the hurricane. Australia is beginning to look better and better each passing day.

Posted by: Jo at September 10, 2005 12:26 PM (TDzJM)

19 Oh, it's real simple to call this a worse tragedy than the tsunami. Simply trot out the economic numbers. Since NO and the Gulf Coast property is worth hundreds of billions of dollars in real estate damaged/destroyed/affected, you can claim that the economic losses exceed those in the South Asian tsunami. And that's pure BS - because as others have already pointed out, the tsunami killed more than 270,000 people. Let that sink in. Just because their economic situation was not comparable to a US citizen killed or displaced doesn't mean that this disaster was somehow greater or lesser than the tsunami. They are American lives. That makes them more valuable. That makes the disaster worse.That sums up the media position. They are completely different events, and the comparisons are rediculous.

Posted by: lawhawk at September 10, 2005 01:29 PM (uFKOG)

20 Dem, I hate to say this, but the reason someone like Cokie Roberts thinks NOLA is worse is because, like, you could see the beach right after the tsunami, and you can't in New Orleans. And it's, like, so easy to put those little grass huts back up, but the French Quarter will take a lot more time and money to fix. I wish I were kidding. And Jack, I'm sick of the "banished the press" meme. Those self-important blowhards have no useful purpose, though lefty "watchdogs" would like to think otherwise. The story here is: big, bad storm, crappy response by locals, left/MSM blames Bush, MSM kicks "disaster porn" coverage into high gear. You can write that from DC or New York. Going there means you see the looters - I mean "takers," and we can report the "racism" from back home, too. Brian Williams on The Daily Show the other night should tell you everything you need to know: "The cops made us move to the other side of the street." The Outrage! It's not like they're trying to get anything done other than muzzle the press, right? Dude, write a check, then pick up a hammer.

Posted by: tee bee at September 10, 2005 01:50 PM (q1JHF)

21 Well now, that would make Cokie a provincial racist, wouldn't it? It's worse for a smaller number of Americans to die than a vast number of brown Muslims? Tsk, tsk, bad Cokie. No appointment to the Hillary administration.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at September 10, 2005 01:54 PM (RHG+K)

22 Kookie cokie roberts just balbbering again what next?

Posted by: sandpiper at September 10, 2005 02:51 PM (slksM)

23 There are two ways to err in discovering truth: 1. Fail to accurately observe. 2. Fail to deduce logical conclusions from observations. The most common failing on the left is #2. They see clearly but employ faulty reasoning in reaching conclusions. On the right, logical linkage is strong but based on false premises. This is seen clearly in the analysis of gov't response to hurricane Katrina. By working backwards from desired conclusions, conservatives build arguments based on non-observations. As true today as when written by the Greek philosopher Demosthenes in 349 B.C.: "Nothing is so easy as to deceive one's self; for what we wish, we readily believe."

Posted by: jack at September 10, 2005 03:04 PM (EhDfn)

24 No Jack, it's the Left that works backwards. They want to believe the worst about their country so they manufacture the "facts" that will get them there. You WANT there to be a rightwing coverup of the truth so that it confirms everything you already believe about the Right, so you'll find that coverup, mark my words.

Posted by: Carlos at September 10, 2005 09:30 PM (8e/V4)

25 How in Christ's name do we succeed in making the issue of dead people and a destroyed part of the country into a Left vs Right debate? Every subject is Right versus Left. The sole purpose of this blog is to translate any topic into this polemic. The big picture is a tad more complicated, people. Crouching in our respective trenches, we watch the news and start forcing it into our "paradigm". There is God, there are Republicans and there are Democrats. Is it because we can't grasp anything more complex than good versus bad? Let's put some effort into this. Or am I being snotty nosed?

Posted by: Bruce at September 11, 2005 05:41 AM (7GWni)

26 Bruce, just follow the blame trail and see who did what. You'll find that we evil conservatives started trying to raise money for relief, whereas the enlihgtened liberals whipped themselves into a frenzy of a race-baiting blame game. It's not Right v. Left, it's liberals against reality, sanity, and deceny. Thier actions prove once againt that they are vile, subhuman scum who should all be shot.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 11, 2005 09:03 AM (0yYS2)

27 IM, hear hear. It is the Left that has politicized this, and when we respond we're accused of politicizing it by the very same scum we're responding to. They're insane scum every last one of them.

Posted by: Carlos at September 11, 2005 09:42 AM (8e/V4)

28 Hondo: Did a quick search and can't find anything to back up your Cokie Robert's thing. She may be a lib but I doubt she's stupid. Hold off awhile on the deathtoll. She just made a comment during an interview on Charlie Rose, so it's unlikely you'd be able to google it. I'm sure others heard it though. In fact a commenter named Dean Reese reports: You must have watched Charlie Rose. I saw the same interview and thought exactly the same thing. How can a Tsunami that did so much destruction be worse. So there yah go. Matt: Thanks for posting. I agree with most of what you said. The essence of the problem is jurisdictional disputes, and when you think about it that's also the essence of the problem regarding terrorism. If national sovereignty were not an issue Saddam Hussein would have simply been arrested and convicted of serial murder ages ago. The notion that there's any justification for allowing him to stay in office, which is basically the left's point, is just plain nonsense in any realistic assessment of the world-as-we-know-it. YOu're either for civilization or you're against it. Bluto: Well now, that would make Cokie a provincial racist, wouldn't it? It's worse for a smaller number of Americans to die than a vast number of brown Muslims? She's no guiltier than the rest of us probably, but the difference is that she's so partisan she doesn't even realize what she's saying. The further people are from us in terms of family and social connectedness the less concerned we are about them, but only the Left seems to take it's sainthood so seriously that they fail to recognize their own prejudice, both in terms of "brown devaluation" and anti-semitism. I'm getting pretty sick of their self-righteousness, actually. They're as bigotted a bunch of people as anyone I know. Jack: On the right, logical linkage is strong but based on false premises. This is seen clearly in the analysis of gov't response to hurricane Katrina. By working backwards from desired conclusions, conservatives build arguments based on non-observations. Well, isn't in just the opposite? The Right are empirical to a fault, so that they actually count bodies of the dead instead of making projections based on theoretical assumptions. But more to the point the Left actually came into being as a result of the "interpretive turn" in Western Philosophy, whereby empirical evidence was devalued in favor of subjective impressions. The Left is interpretive and non-empirical while the Right is objective and empirical. The latter can lead to mistakes if our knowledge of facts about a certain situtaion, or our theoretical analysis, is incomplete. But it's hard to argue that teh Left fills that gap very effectively. Bruce: As for the problem of partisanship, well all I can say is that Cokie did it, not me. Clearly N.O. is not worse than the 2004 Tsunami, so she was just being hyperbolic. How you interpret the "why" of that is up to you, but my interpretation is that the Left lost the argument over social and economic, and even foreign policy so now they're trying an emotional appeal related to natural disasters. Hey, this isn't hard to figure out.

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The Sum of All Threats

A reader recently emailed me a link to this post on The Malcontent asking me to comment on the appearance of Marc Siegal on The Daily Show. Siegal is the author of a book that claims we're systematically over-estimating the threat of terrorism. Well, that depends, but it certainly is possible to over-estimate a threat. And it's somewhat ironic that the Moveon folks are currently suggesting that we underestimated the threat to New Orleans, now that the cat has escaped the bag.

Awhile ago an opinion research team conducted a survey in small-town Iowa, asking the question: "What security issue is the most urgent?" (This was long before 9-11.) Of the options, which included terrorism, bad weather, a crop blight, and a disease attacking livestock, the one most frequently mentioned was "crime in the streets." This was rural Iowa, remember. So the interviewer asked a followup: "What crime, in what streets?" Turns out they were afraid of crime in the streets of Chicago, because most read Chicago papers like The Trib or watched Chicago TV News. They were definitely over-estimating that threat, and probably under-estimating the threats to their livelihood from crop blight and livestock disease.

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1 Over-estimating a danger tends to be a safe position. Under-estimating a danger can have dire consequences. People who under-estimate for a living (like that author) have the unique advantage of "simply walking away or saying sheepishly - sorry). The Army thought me - over-estimate you look like a fool .. under-estimate you look like a corpse. Take your pick.

Posted by: hondo at September 09, 2005 06:56 PM (4Gtyc)

2 ANGRY!!!!! Goddamit Klanrooster - show yourself!!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 09, 2005 08:29 PM (TAhhF)

3 Rooster is most likely an evacuee right now, so watch what you post you stupid fucktard.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2005 09:55 PM (0yYS2)

4 Ya know, you'd think a nice Jewish boy like Siegel would be more apt to take seriously the threat of islamofascism, but he probably thinks that being a liberal commie America-hating traitor will save him from the headsman. Ah hell, who am I kidding, he knows that those big, bad, evil, white Chrisitan conservatives will protect his sorry treacherous ass. After they're done drowning and shooting all the black people, that is.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2005 09:59 PM (0yYS2)

5 im with hondo on this....better to overestimate and have more than enough options on hand than underestimate and you dont have nough to go around and now youre screwed big time...overkill is better every time in my opinion

Posted by: THANOS35 at September 09, 2005 11:30 PM (QtMud)

6 Gimpy - I tawt I taw Klingy Kooky Klanrooster in the Superdome running about trying to find rope and matches and then getting slapped silly by his pissed off fellow citizens. You have got to come back to Jesus - stop fighting him!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 01:21 AM (TAhhF)

7 He wrote a book so it must be true.

Posted by: Carlos at September 10, 2005 10:46 AM (8e/V4)

8 Damn, Carlos, you're right! You know, the thing I like best about libearals is that they love to promote themselves, which will make it easier to find them when it's time for the purges, and we'll have tons of evidence for the "trials".

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 11, 2005 08:58 AM (0yYS2)

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Report of al Qaeda Takeover of al Qaim: "A Crock"

Reports that al Qaim, an Iraqi city near the Syrian border, have fallen into the hands of al Qaeda forces are "a crock of crap", The Marine Corps Times reports today.

The Washington Post had earlier reported that eye witnesses were claiming that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq flag was flying over the city, that a sign reading "Welcome to The Islamic Kingdom of Qaim" hung over a mosque, and that an accused prostitute had been murdered in the city under harsh new Islamic law.

The Marine Corps, deployed in the area, is now denying those reports.

Maj. Neil Murphy, a spokesman for II Marine Expeditionary Force, told The Marine Corps Times that reports detailing an all-out al-Qaida takeover in Qaim were a Â“crock of crap.Â”

Â“Sure, anyone can hang up a poster. That does not mean anything,Â” Murphy wrote in an e-mail response to questions. Â“We have a battalion there. [The insurgents] are continually moving to try and find safety, but we are rooting them out and weÂ’ll root them out of Qaim, too.Â”

Centcom has made no official statement about the developing situation in al Qaim. However, off-the-record, an official at Centcom was wary of denying these reports to The Jawa Report.

The area in and around al Qaim is a well known route used by al Qaeda terrorists between Syria and Iraq. In recent weeks, Iraqis loyal to the government have been fighting tribes loyal to al Qaeda. The US military has been supporting our allies on the ground in the area through an intense aerial campaign.

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1 So what else is new. The media is not in Qaim. The media is in their hotels in Bagdad. The media has it's agenda and is phoning in its reports ala Hunter Thompson. And the media no longer has the audience monopoly, credibility or influence it use to have. I wonder why.

Posted by: hondo at September 09, 2005 07:02 PM (4Gtyc)

2 hey rusty, why didn't you post the press you got at Instapundit? Is that really you? 20 something? man, put the books down and hit the gym.

Posted by: Mr. K at September 09, 2005 07:44 PM (ztNCV)

3 Jenna and Osama got married and live in Qaim dammit!!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 01:22 AM (TAhhF)

4 Of course they control Qaim, and I'm the King of Kafiristan!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 11, 2005 09:05 AM (0yYS2)

5 And are the news media ready to print another famous headline DEWY DEFEATS TRUMAN again?

Posted by: sandpiper at September 13, 2005 09:52 AM (ILvmZ)

6 I'm John Hoellwarth. I wrote the story about this for Marine Corps Times. I called the Post and talked to a repp at thier Foreign desk who said the paper stands behind their reporters, who only rely on "first-hand observations." He asked me to forward him the e-mail I got from Maj. Murphy and I told him he could just read about it in my paper Monday. But, the funny thing was, he then challenged me to get Maj. Murphy to prove that al-Qaida had not taken the town. He was challenging Maj. Murphy to prove a negative, wholy based on his infexible assumption that his reporter was 100 percent accurate. This reporter, of course, is a credible journlaist who didn't make it to the Post by fabricating stories. On the other hand, Maj. Murphy is the spokesman for the Marines who are operating in that entire region, including Qaim. It is his business to know more than the average reporter about enemy activity in his area. So, here we have two credible sources with completely opposite information. Personally, I think the disconnect comes from the reporter's end. She's reporting from Baghdad with the help of correspondents in places other than Qaim as well. I can't prove that she didn't talk to eye witnesses, but it's hard for me to imagine that she's got better info than the Marines in Qaim's vicinity. Nevertheless, the Post said it remained "Completely confident" in the fact gathering od its reporters. After gathering all that info and filing my story, I went golfing and forgot about the whole thing. My job rocks.

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Lock 'em up, throw away the key

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that terrorist traitor and general rat bastard Jose Padilla can be held as an enemy combatent. The ruling means that Padilla does not have claim on US courts for relief and that his hippie-dhimmi allies at the ACLU will just have to continue to annoy us with lawsuits aimed at getting the gays married instead of trying to spring terrorists from the pokie on technicalities.

Two in one day. Dayum it feels good to be a gangsta........ more...

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1 This might not go to the Supreme Court, but it certainly will make for some entertainment at the Roberts confirmation.

Posted by: lawhawk at September 09, 2005 03:21 PM (AcoYr)

2 Yeah, we'll get to see the potential Democratic nominees for Prez line up in support of decision, and the rest against.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 09, 2005 03:30 PM (JQjhA)

3 I'm glad the rat bastard is locked up. I would just like to know WTF we're gonna do with him and the shitheads in Gitmo. It has to end as some point. Either they get locked up or the death sentence (the latter preferred)

Posted by: Sgt Beavis at September 09, 2005 03:51 PM (XCqS+)

4 Send the SOB to my house. I'll give him some "K-bar justice". You know where I live doc. Get him out and bring him here. I will handle it from there.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 09, 2005 04:00 PM (tplWd)

5 Rusty, we might see all the Demoncrats except for the DLC types line up against the Roberts nomination. Whether true or not, I believe the Dems think they smell blood in the water. Frankly, I don't believe they have the President on the run, but I think they believe they do. Big difference that has ruined their hopes for the past three election cycles. The Dems think that if they can just ramp up the rhetoric they might succeed. You know, if you throw enough shit on the wall, some of it is bound to stick. This is the mentality we are up against. The mentality is very much like Robespierre and the Committee he formed during the French Revolution. These people have an agenda, and nothing, especially logic will be allowed to get in their way. Right now they are still trying to manipulate the system, but I think that they will get tired of that and resort to outright political violence. As a matter of fact, there were several instances of them doing just that in the 2004 election. Seriously, we need to be on our guard and be especially watchful because they are in the process of forming an alliance with Muslim extrememists. I can see the Islamists being the footsoldiers of these people, mainly because most of them do not have the guts to do anything themselves other than threaten people while using the internet. Time will tell if I'm right, but I sense a ratchating up of rhetoric and emotion.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 09, 2005 04:34 PM (q9AWQ)

6 I say we give him what he wants. Chain him down in the yard and light his shoes on fire. Oh the leftie courts must just be beside themselves on that one. mheh.

Posted by: kermit at September 09, 2005 05:14 PM (DX+fh)

7 Thanks for the link -- Think about it, yes the guy should be punished, no doubt. Death would be applicable. However, he is still a US citizen. With that he has some rights, even as an enemy combatant. More likely he would probably charged with treason. I think that because he is a citizen, this could be pushed to the Nth degree, all the way to SCOTUS. I wil lnot be surprised.

Posted by: Dean Reese at September 09, 2005 08:51 PM (LVMtp)

8 We need a law to strip anyone of citizenship if they're convicted of promoting, supporting, aiding, or abetting terrorism.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2005 10:03 PM (0yYS2)

9 well if he is charged of treason and than found guilty of that charge, isnt that an automatic death sentence???....it should be for traitors...an example needs to be made of someone and might as well start with the one you have on hand with Padilla...if you dont make an example it will only embolden more of them to do more traitorous stuff...show that you mean business and the rest should fall in line

Posted by: THANOS35 at September 09, 2005 11:36 PM (QtMud)

10 Doesn't he sing Prodigy's song, "I'm a fire-starter"?

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 10, 2005 03:10 AM (TAhhF)

11 Take him to the nearest Federal SuperMax prison, and put him in General Population. Within three days he'll "accidentally" hit his head on the toilet. 17 times.

Posted by: CUS at September 12, 2005 09:34 AM (bbXZq)

12 Its time to remove ourselves from the UN its the biggist harbor and shelter for terrorist sponsoring countries around

Posted by: sandpiper at September 12, 2005 01:50 PM (U+eLg)

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More Charges Against American Terrorist Ahmed Omar Abu Ali

More charges have been filed against Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, the Virginia terrorist linked to al Qaeda. Yesterday, a federal grand jury formally broungt an indictment against the former valedictorian of a Saudi government run Islamic school in Virginia.

The new charges in the indictment alleged that Ahmed Omar Abu Ali plotted to bring members of an al Qaeda cell into the country through Mexico in order to commit acts of terrorism on American soil. The indictment reaffirmed earliler allegations made by the FBI that Ali planned to assassinate President George W. Bush.

The Washingto Post reports:

The new nine-count indictment also adds charges of conspiracy to commit aircraft piracy and destroy aircraft, part of the Justice Department's allegations that Abu Ali was plotting with al Qaeda to conduct a Sept. 11-style attack in the United States that would include hijacking planes.

How have Muslim Americans reacted? The Muslim American Society of America and of North America have no new press releases concerning Ahmed Omar Abu Ali. However, both websites continue to raise money for the traitor Ali's defense.

These two organizations have ties to the original radical Salafist movement, The Muslim Brotherhood. Al Qaeda broke ties with that group in the early 1990s when the former disclaimed violence as a method of acheiving the same goals espoused by both groups. The mosque attended by Ali has direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Saudi funded Islamic school attended by Ali, at the time he attended, had a Wahhabi curriculum that included textbooks with anti-semetic conspiracy theories. Ali's father works at the Saudi Arabian embassy. His mother, pictured above, can be seen wearing a full cover veil in public.

For some odd reason, official Muslim advocacy organizitions continue to believe that Ahmed Omar Abu Ali is innocent and that there is a massive plot against him and other Muslims. It's almost as if their first loyalty is with something other than their 'beloved' country. I'm praying for the day that Muslims abandon organizations like MAS and CAIR en masse......

Ali's arraignment hearing is set for next Wednesday. He is expected to plead not guilty.

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Jeff Gannon Raises Katrina Funds

Jeff Gannon's big gay c*ck is raising hurricaine Katrina funds. Wait, did I say Jeff Gannon? I meant Jeff Harrell. Donate, or he will expose himself.*

*Hat tip Feisty Republican Whore who is preempting John Aravosis in uncovering this important scandal.

Because of the hypocrisy!

**Related: I feel so judged

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"All your money are belong to us."

A couple of years ago I joined Classmates.com as a premium, or "gold" member, on a trial basis. I decided not to renew the second year, because it simply wasn't worth anything. I didn't get one iota of value out of it. Never successfully contacted anyone, and no one contacted me. Most of the schools I went to have their own alumni organizations that have proven very effective, so this commercial one just never had much value added. I gave it a try, and figured that was that.

Well, not quite. They have this automatic renewal option, but I set it to manual at the time. Apparently somewhere along the line my renewal switch was changed to "automatic" and even though I've assumed I was no longer a member they apparently managed to slip the fee past my radar for the second year. In fact, I didn't notice that they'd deducted a membership fee until a couple of days ago, when I was surprised to see the deduction of $39 for a third year listed on my bank account. I almost missed it this time too, had not my bank manager pointed it out to me. I'm starting to get pretty steamed. I'm having trouble paying for gas money as I work independent contracts to put food on the table, and these guys are stealthily ripping me off...
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1 The same damn thing happened on Reunion.com. I never received a renewal notice and voila! I see a $36 charge on my statement for another year. I've already tried twice to get ahold of someone there to talk about refunding me because I no longer use Reunion, but to no avail.

Posted by: Macker at September 09, 2005 12:55 PM (2GH66)

2 I think the service is worth like maybe 20 cents a decade. I've noted they keep trying to get you to go gold via eamil and the price is always outrageous for doing nothing at all and keeps going up. I expect they will be gone in about 5 more years. Well maybe not if they take a page from the crooks and keep this up.

Posted by: Howie at September 09, 2005 01:11 PM (D3+20)

3 I signed up for a one-week free trial to Yahoo's music download service. For the free trial you have to register for the one-year payment, and they charge your card after the week is up. However, you have to cancel 24 hours before the week is up to prevent them from charging your card. I didn't know this and cancelled about 6 hours late. Some Googling got me the Yahoo Customer Service Phone number (it's harder to find than Amazon's.) But a few weeks of calls and escalations, and all I got was "it was in the terms of service." Bastards.

Posted by: ericj at September 09, 2005 01:12 PM (hrQvk)

4 I flamed em for ya to demosophist

Posted by: Howie at September 09, 2005 01:14 PM (D3+20)

5 Take the bast--ds to Small Claims Court. They will not show and you will get a default judgement. Costs next to nothing and you give them back the pain they are giving you. I know I am a mean spirited exJarhead. So what?! F--k em!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 09, 2005 01:27 PM (tplWd)

6 This is why I never sign up for these kinds of services. They aren't worth it and their cancellation policy sucks.

Posted by: Sgt Beavis at September 09, 2005 01:33 PM (XCqS+)

7 What about turning the tables on them, so to speak. You've "paid" for this year, so now you can (presumably) contact all of your former classmates, etc. I'd bet there are probably others of your classmates who've been screwed the same way, so...why not use Classmates.com to contact those classmates, find out whose in the same situation you're in, and band together. Strength in numbers. Threaten a class-action suit or something to that effect. I dunno, but there would be some sense of poetic justice in using the service they made you purchase against Classmates.com.

Posted by: Venom at September 09, 2005 01:55 PM (dbxVM)

8 $39????!!! Damn. They were offering $24 last I saw (I changed email addys and stopped getting mail from them, YAY). I wouldn't even pay the $24....

Posted by: caltechgirl at September 09, 2005 02:08 PM (4CXQ5)

9 Experiences such as this are the reasons that I donÂ’tÂ’: 1) join anything that requires money or a credit card up front for a "free" membership. 2) do anything via automatic payment except by credit card. They will fight for you, but most banks won't. This is the infamous billing model used by health clubs in which they only do automatic payments and they take forever to cancel. Try this one on for size: Before my son went into the military he got an offer for a reduced rate 3 month membership. I gave him a check for the full amount. After he left for the service, I started getting automatic billings for him via my checking account! I called them up and told them to pay back the money because they had no legal right to take money from my bank account, because I didn't sign anything to allow that. The people there had the gall to tell me that they legally could! In the end, I had the gall to send them a letter giving them 30 days to pay back the money or to have to see my attorney in court (I used words like forgery and fraud). Needless to say, I got my money back.

Posted by: Don Miguel at September 09, 2005 02:30 PM (+KixN)

10 Oooh they resonded to my flameHello Classmates Member, Thanks for contacting Classmates. We just wanted to let you know that we received your email and we will get back to you as soon as possible. You'll be hearing from us shortly. Have a great day! Classmates Member Care Team

Posted by: Howie at September 09, 2005 02:49 PM (D3+20)

11 I filed a complaint with my bank indicating that I had not given them authorization and that they'd sprung the "terms of service" krap on me. Stuff like this really makes me angry because it exploits "human capital" (trust) in ways the reduce the trust in the society, which ultimately costs all of us. They're free-riders, just the same as heavy polluters. They externalize their costs, and ultimately the only way to put a stop to it is to interfere significantly with their business model, as Jeff Jarvis did with Dell when he had his big fracas with that company. I'm an ex-political organizer, and I'd just love to clean this stuff up. The small claims thing is also a good idea. I can sue for considerably more than the $78 for two years of fees too. Can't recall what the max is, but it's probably $500 to %1000. I'd hesitate to use the alumni list through there site to do a mass email though, because it's essentially spam. But I could probably write a pretty good Op Ed for WaPo. Maybe they've even made some political contributions that I could expose, of the "moveon" variety. Unlikely, but you never know. I sort of like the idea of a years supply of Hennessy, actually. I'd hate to think what that might do to my liver, though. So far a year's supply is only about a quart.

Posted by: Demosophist at September 09, 2005 04:16 PM (cF5RX)

12 Considering the trivial things that have been judged worthy of class action suits lately, such as the Blockbuster late fees suit, which was total BS but went through anyway, it sounds like a good time to consult a schuyster.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2005 10:14 PM (0yYS2)

13 If the fee was billed to your credit card, call your credit card company and dispute the charge. It then becomes the biller's responsibility to justify to the credit card company that you authorized the charge.

Posted by: James at September 10, 2005 08:52 AM (yYT1t)

14 Thank god for class actions!

Posted by: actus at September 10, 2005 11:02 AM (y/f3P)

15 I once used reunion.com, but never as a gold member. The only one that works best for me is myspace.com. Myspace is completely free (has advertisements everywhere to prove it), and once you add whatever school's you used to attend, it shows up on your page, and it becomes easy as hell to search for anyone who went to your school, same graduating year, the works. It even has networking tabs for industries and companies. I'm not saying it is awesome because it can be very annoying. Oftentimes people put way too much crap on their profile and it takes forever to load, but it is good for contacting people i haven't seen in years (which i have done).

Posted by: Henry at September 10, 2005 12:22 PM (NdKxH)

16 You can't be 23357 serious?!?

Posted by: Max Ballstein at July 06, 2006 12:27 PM (ljcSZ)

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Newsday: Anti-American Rag

The most disturbing part of this Newsday article is not the way they fawn over Cindy Sheehan-lite, Adele Welte, or that they seem to lift parts of her story word-for-word from Code Pink's website. The real disturbing part of this story is that they don't question when Mrs. Welte mentions her 'humanitarian project' of helping medical personel 'sneak across the border' from Jordan into Iraq. Sneak across the border? As in, the Iraqi government doesn't want us there helping the ~~terrorists~~ freedom-fighters, so we have to sneak in.

Why is Newsday's reporting so anti-American? Getting both sides of the story does not qualify as non-partisan reporting. Parties do not go to war, nations do. The nation is at war.

Reporting the other side is reporting the enemy's side. Just because the enemy happens to have domestic allies does not make the story any less sympathetic to the enemy. When you let the assumptions of the enemy go unchallenged you have bought into their world view.

For instance, imagine a war protester during WWII repeating Germany's justification for aggression: Germany had to invade Poland to protect Germans suffering under the boot of Polish occupation in Danzig and the Polish corridor.

Any reporter that didn't blink twice at that statement has bought into a core assumption of the enemy.

Another example. What if a New York newspaper during WWII had let a former member of the German-American Bund--the pro-Nazi front--repeat what he had heard from German citizens about the brutality of the Polish troops on Germans in Danzig? The facts which were in turn learned from Joseph Geobels propaganda machine in the German press?

For instance, Adele Welte says:

Their [her Jordanian friends]accounts of some American soldiers' brutality haunted her.

Yes, and these friends learned about American soldiers' brutality through al Jazeera and its European Leftist allies--such as Giuliana Sgrena's Communist daily rag, Il Manifesto.

What is it that drives people to believe the very worst about their own country and yet be so gullible as to believe the very best about our enemies?

I'm sorry. I feel nothing but contempt for Mrs. Welte and those who use their personal stories to attack the United States of America and our fighting men and women abroad. She is a member of the fifth column in the United States no different than the handful of German-Americans who wished our defeat in WWII. She is a traitor.

Can you imagine the media during the 1940s acutually interviewing a member of the German-American Bund who had lost a son in Pearl Harbor and letting them get away with this? Moreover, can you imagine that if any such interview was done that the newspaper article would not have been sprinkled with phrases like traitor, betrayal, Quisling, and Benedict Arnold?

There were people like Cindy Sheehan and Adele Welte around during WWII. Only, they were in jail.

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EU Considers Mandatory E-Mail, Internet, Phone Logs

The European Union is considering a plan which would force telecommunications companies to log and store all e-mail, internet, and mobile phone calls for one year. The plan is part of a wave of new anti-terror measures sweeping across the Continent in the wake of the July bombings in London.

There is a growing awareness across Europe that significant portions of the large immigrant population from North Africa and the Middle East have extremist religious views. Terrorist threats are now seen as coming from domestic as well as foreign forces. more...

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Freed Hostage Roy Hallums Heading Home

Roy Hallums, the American civilian held hostage in Iraq freed two days ago by Coalition Forces, is heading home to the United States.

The AP is reporting that Roy boarded a C-17 transport plane at a US Air Force base in Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad. Sources tell the Jawa Report that Roy will be landing soon and that the Hallums family will meet privately with Roy. In deference to the family's privacy, we will not reveal the location of this reunion.

Roy is said to be in good health, given the extreme conditions he has endured since Nov. 1st of 2004 when he was abducted from his Baghdad neigborhood with other civilian contractors.

A friend of Roy's from Baghdad, 'Hussein', possibly the last man to see him before he was taken hostage, told the following to the BBC upon learning of Roy's release. A friend from the FBI called him and said, "Sit down and don't cry. We have Roy. He is alive."

"No-one seemed to mention him or to care. It's so unfair." He continued.

We at The Jawa Report, at least, cared.

Speaking of what Robert Tarangoy, the Filipino contractor taken hostage with Roy and released several months ago on rumors that Manila had paid a ransom, had been through, Hussein infered what conditions might have been like for Roy.

"He still has to wear sunglasses, even at night, because they kept [Tarangoy] in a hood for eight months while in captivity.

They used him as a punching bag the whole time, every time they [kidnappers] walked past him they'd kick him, or punch him and slap him."

'Hussein', who's name has been changed, says that Roy Hallums' kidnappers had not made contact in the past month and that worries began to mount.

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Google: The Moonbat Search Engine

A headline popped up from my news reader that I could barely believe. It was so intriguing that I had to open it up and see what it had to say.

Searching for failure? Try George W. Bush (The Register)

That's right! When you search for the word failure President Bush's biography is the first page that is listed in the Google search engine result page. Not only that Michael Moore's web site is listed number two for the search term, "failure".

I've been studying the Google algorithm for six years now and one thing I know for certain is that for a page to be displayed for a search term on Google it has to have the word(s) you're searching for on the page.

President Bush's biography mentions the word failure exactly zero times. That alone makes you think twice about the algorithm effect on that page. However, Michael Moore's site being second is quite interesting because Michael Moore's home page mentions the word failure zero times as well.

Needless to say this result isn't the work of Google computers; it's the deliberate act of employees at Google (that appear to have a need to push their ideologies on others).

It's bad enough that Google News is run by a pack of liberal wolves but now it would appear that those same wolves are manipulating Google's search engine as well.

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1 I'll grant you that, but notice that we're the #1 hit for 'Jawa Porn'? Let the hits begin!!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 09, 2005 08:24 AM (JQjhA)

2 Actually, Rusty, it doesn't quite work that way. The other day, out of curiosity, I read up on "Google Bombs". Apparently, the way Google works, the more often a certain word or phrase is mentioned in all websites that LINK to a given site, the higher the site linked TO goes on the google search. I suspect that's what has happened in the case of both Bush and Moore-on.

Posted by: Brian B at September 09, 2005 09:26 AM (CouWh)

3 During the the 2004 campaign a Google search for waffles resulted in a #1 hit of John F Kerry's campaign website.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 09, 2005 09:46 AM (Uoonu)

4 That's old. I heard about that a month ago. It's been around for years. I have no problems with liberals. My dad is a liberal. They can dislike Bush if they want too. I was surprised as well when I found out about this.

Posted by: George at September 09, 2005 11:32 AM (hrpbg)

5 Brian B is correct it's the google bombs doing it, not google. Agree google news is run by a liberal pack of wolves, but there are other factors at work with page ranking. The moonbats are busily cooking the search results, been going on for some time.

Posted by: From the Swamp at September 09, 2005 11:41 AM (7evkT)

6 I switched to Yahoo because of Google's moonbat proclivities.

Posted by: Carlos at September 09, 2005 12:12 PM (8e/V4)

7 Hmmm, It was named above. The Google Bomb. If enough people set up websites For example if enough people set up the following on their webpages: Stupid fat idiot then eventually the google engine will yield Moore's website as the #1 result for searches on "stupid fat idiot". It has nothing to do with Google's well known leftard politics and everything to do with their search & indexing algorithms.

Posted by: Marcus Auerlius at September 09, 2005 01:58 PM (BcGJi)

8 I can't prove or disprove the Google bomb theory. However, the folks at Google are smart enough to negate that (if they weren't a bunch of hippies).

Posted by: Chris Short at September 09, 2005 03:00 PM (0OCQY)

9 The above comments are convincing. One might conclude that "failure" and "Bush" are linked by an accidental over-fitting of Googles Data Mining algorithm. But then explain why "liar" and "Tony Blair's homepage" are so closely connected! It is about #4 after links to films "Liar Liar" and "Big FAT Liar" etc.... That ranks pretty high. Coincidence?

Posted by: Mike P at September 09, 2005 03:46 PM (XMjGO)

10 Bye-Bye Google hot bar. Back to good 'ol Altavista.com

Posted by: S. at September 09, 2005 04:37 PM (Z6aXP)

11 If anyone thinks for one minute that there isn't an over-ride function at Google for these kinds of anomolies they're not thinking. And there's no way anyone can prove that the search results are incorrect. How's THAT for a conspiracy? Like the "Waffle" thing for Kerry. I have to question that. One would think the term would have been "flip flop", not waffle. Type in flip flop now and see what you get. The third result is about Bush. Type in waffle now and see what you get. You don't get Kerry until the eighth page.

Posted by: Oyster at September 09, 2005 04:49 PM (fl6E1)

12 A google bomb is not that hard to setup. I did this for an organization I am a part of. I google bombed our competition Akbayan-FAANEW. After about a week I punched in Akbayan-FAANEW and Google brought up our site. Now with the election way done election oriented websites are being shut down and the President's supporters people are not agitating like they were before. Is the leftist community being quiet? I agree flip-flop would be the one we would immediately leap to, but at the time that Google bomb was setup flip-flop may not have yet been in wide use. Last time I checked "miserable failure" returned W's & Carter's websites (1 & 2). The folks at Google when asked about the Google bomb said basically, "yeah, so what?".

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 09, 2005 06:26 PM (cBtMy)

13 They too shall dangle from the hempen necktie when the time comes, buncha goddamned dirty hippy commie scumbags.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2005 10:34 PM (0yYS2)

14 I remember that Google was accused from the liberals because it show too much right news sites, and they stated exactly the same fact. More links a page receive, more it is indexed, its ranks go up on the words used

Posted by: mirco at September 10, 2005 04:57 AM (DEZwJ)

15 google created the tag "nofollow" to put on blogs to combat google bombs: http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/0505/news/google_bomb.html

Posted by: dave at September 10, 2005 11:10 PM (CcXvt)

16 Haha! Suck up that 39% approval rating. A 39&%... Hrm... Is that an A+? A? B? C? Nope! That's a great big, huge letter 'F' for 'Failure.' *waves at the conservative patriots, so honorably sinking with their own ship* Buh-bye.

Posted by: madmagickdotnet at September 11, 2005 10:52 AM (7IS4Y)

17 They are paid ads, someone paid google to put Moore up there. Then Moore paid to more to have bush on top. Ken p.s. Lets get the Dems and Rep out of Washington, vote libertarian

Posted by: Ken at September 15, 2005 01:17 PM (XiVKO)

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September 08, 2005

Application to Become a HuffPo Blogger

This is one of the true mysteries of the Internet. Why in the world would they post this on the Huffington Post? It just rattles the foundations... I'd actually post the article, but it's more than a tad offensive, in a "That's no lady; that's my sister!" sort of way.

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