August 19, 2005
Beth Geisel Gets DWI
(Albany, New York) Most people, after finding themselves in a hole, quit digging. Not 42-year-old Sandra "Beth" Geisel. Remember, it's only been a couple weeks since she was indicted for rape of a student in a
high-profile case that has embarrassed and humiliated her children, her husband, her friends, and the Christian Brothers Academy.
Yet today, around 0830 EDT, she decides to drive while sloshed, cuts off a police car, and gets arrested for driving while intoxicated. She blew a 0.13 on the breathalyzer. And this all happened before 9am.
The only explanation I can figure for Geisel's behavior is that she's trying to fortify her contention that the hooch made her commit the rape of a student, or that she's exceedingly stupid. In either case, she's a menace to society.
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I would be suprised if she stops here. Looks to me like she's gonna plead insanity. This should help.
Posted by: tyler at August 19, 2005 01:55 PM (Y9Lwb)
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I think we shouldn't refer to her crime as rape.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 20, 2005 02:04 AM (CBNGy)
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The woman is an alchoholic. Her family needs to get her help.
Posted by: opine6 at August 20, 2005 12:03 PM (YyWmH)
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She is a danger to herself and those around her, and apparently has been for some time.
Her behavior is not rational and has not been since at least early this year, possibley longer.
She is mentally ill, whether it be extreme addictive behaviors, some sort of extended manic episode or what, and strong mental health measures need to be taken.
Posted by: LTR at August 21, 2005 07:31 AM (iiunC)
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Gee wheez: Such a tantrum. Terrible crime. Only thing that happen was that the victim got willfully laid. Exactly what he wanted.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 22, 2005 06:23 PM (OvTKg)
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This woman needs help. As a parent myself, I would never leave my kids in a motel room & go drinking all night & forget about them. She’s made one bad judgment call after another concerning her own kids & so far she’s been lucky, & the kids have not been hurt or killed. But it’s just a matter of time before her luck runs out & these kids either seriously injured, abducted or killed either by direct or indirect negligence of “mom”.
She’s got an alcohol problem & my guess is that she probably felt the calling of the booze, so she left the kids sleeping in the room at around 10 or 11 pm, went out somewhere all night drinking or God only knows what else, then morning came before she knew it, & in her “drunken fog” found herself lost & probably flagged down those that “stranger” for directions back to her hotel & at that time the police got her.
Right now this woman is a danger to herself, others on the road, & if there are kids in her care, she’s a danger to them as well. She may love her kids very much, but b/c her head is not on straight, she is incapable of being a good, responsible parent to those kids. Her husband & the law need to intervene now, before it’s too late, & we are reading some very sad & unfortunately news about her children instigated by their mom’s inability to think straight. So, yes, I agree, her kids need to be saved from her & she needs to be saved from herself. It doesn’t matter what Beth Geisel says, her family need to put their foot down & not allow her to continue to put these kids in danger by allowing her to have them in her care. Those kids could have been killed in an actual fire, & when the law found out they were “neglected” by their mom while she was drunk & lost on the other side of town, that could have added to the list of charges already against her. Thank God, that didn’t happen. She was lucky! The kids were lucky! But luck has a way of running out & one day so could the lives of Geisel’s children.
Posted by: Concerned Parent at August 24, 2005 10:53 PM (d2Jct)
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She leaves her kids alone in hotel room while she is miles away drunk and picking up alleged crack dealers? Where is the limit to the disgrace this woman will bring on herself, the kids and her family? Why doesn't her husband beat the crap out of her for all of this dishonor she has brought down on him? Heck why doesnt he beat the crap out of her for putting "his" kids in danger the way she did? If those were my kids and anyone did that to them, they surely earn a very bad body hurting from me.
Jeff out.
Posted by: Jeff Surrency at August 24, 2005 11:11 PM (d2Jct)
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She leaves her kids alone in hotel room while she is miles away drunk and picking up alleged crack dealers? Where is the limit to the disgrace this woman will bring on herself, her kids and her family? Why doesn’t her husband beat the crap out of her for all of this dishonor she has brought down on him? Heck why doesnt he beat the crap out of her for putting “his” kids in danger the way she did? If those were my kids and anyone did that to them, they surely earn a very bad body hurting from me. I usually don’t condone violence, but I’m sorry, placing “my kids” in danger(even if it’s their own mother) is really where I would just “snap”
Jeff out.
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Uhhhh........I like small bikes!
Posted by: Duh at August 26, 2005 05:31 PM (d2Jct)
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Those pictures (hiccup!)at the top of this blog are not very flattering of (hiccup) me. I, (hiccup) am innocent of all (hiccup)charges. Who picked up(hiccup) my kids?
Posted by: Mrs Geisel at August 27, 2005 05:02 PM (d2Jct)
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Sexual predator lives out high school fantasy?
August 04, 2005 12:17 PM EST
One has to ask the question, how many of these stealthy child predators are working in our schools, both public and private? Sandra Beth Geisel, a wife currently separated from her banking executive husband, is the latest in a continual outing of female child rapists.
Let's deal with some facts out in the open. Women have been having their way with young, underage and inexperienced boys since forever. Obviously, this doesn't happen to every boy, but it happens far more than society would like to admit. What was once seen as some perverse rite of passage (having your virginity taken by an adult female) is now beginning to be seen for what it truly is - statutory rape.
As men, we are going to have to decide that we and the young men growing up around us have value as human beings. We don't want some psychologically-stank pervert deflowering our young daughters, either forcefully or through suave manipulation, and that goes without saying. However, how serious are we about having that same conviction about our sons? Why should their innocence be written off just because they're males?
Yet, that is the message that society sends through its silence and taps on the wrists of female sexual predators. One has to wonder when enough will be enough and parents, family, close friends and responsible members of society will demand that young boys have their youth as zealously protected as that of young girls.
We all know that men have been preying on young girls and women and that's wrong, period. Now, what are we going to do about women preying on young boys - ignore it as we've done in the past or step up and deal with it like responsible adults? I encourage you to write your Local, State and Federal representatives in government and demand that female sexual predators receive the same sentencing handed down to male offenders.
Posted by: I AGREE at August 28, 2005 04:04 AM (d2Jct)
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HowieÂ’s linkfest.
With Rusty stuck in meetings today I thought I might see what I can do to keep yÂ’all occupied. Yeah I love meetings, right up there with having my toe nails pulled out with a pair of rusty old pliers.
Pakistani Schools still teach terror.
Iraqi Election Update:Sunni leaders are pushing their people to register to vote; the terrorists are threatening anyone who tries.
Big Brother Plates. This is one British export I can do without.
Special interests Fight ArnoldÂ’s Initiatives.
SmokinÂ’ Teachers.
Survival of the fittest or sometimes natural selection is not what you expect. Look for the big green bug.
A stem cell breakthrough I think we can all live with.
On the lighter side hereÂ’s some quotes sent to me by my conservative Christian cube neighbor David.
Hat tip: David (no he doesnÂ’t read the blog heÂ’s on Drudge all day)
Hard work never killed anyone, but why give it a chance? (unknown)
Ya gots to work with what you gots to work with (Stevie Wonder)
Winston, you are drunk. - Lady Astor - Yes my dear, but you are ugly, and in the morning I shall be sober. (Churchhill)
A good one I ran across today.
To obtain a man's opinion of you, make him mad.
--Oliver Wendell Holmes
Britney Spears baby names.
ItÂ’s gonna be a hot one and I got to mow and also I think IÂ’ll cook out to keep the kitchen cooler.
Pitbulls VS The Holy Qu'ran - You know you want to look! 
Hat Tip: princesskimberly.
I'm sure Rusty will be back soon. So everyone have a great Friday. I like how my master says at the beginning of the week. Now I'll not be able to blog much. Then he puts up more than I can read.
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A popular Des Moines Barber shop had a new robotic barber installed.
A fellow came in for a haircut. As the robot began to cut his hair it asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man replied, "130." So the robot proceeded to make conversation about physics, astronomy, investments, insurance, and so on. The man listened intently and said, "This is really cool."
Later, another gent came in for a haircut and the robot asked him as it began the haircut, "What's your IQ?"
The man responded, "100." So the robot started talking about football, baseball, and so on. The man thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool."
Later on, a third guy came in to the barber shop. As with the others, the robot barber asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man replied, "70." The robot then said, "So, I understand you Democrats are really excited about Hillary running for president?"
Posted by: eyerocker at August 19, 2005 12:15 PM (oGV8O)
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Another great Churchill/Astor exchange:
Lady Astor: "Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put poison in your tea!"
Churchill: "Madame, if I were your husband, I would drink it!"
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Pitbulls VS The Holy Qu'ran - You know you want to look!
http://princesskimberley.blogspot.com/2005/08/infidel-puppies-vs-holy-quran-woof.html
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at August 19, 2005 01:54 PM (8sXP/)
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Wook at the Widdew puppie wuppies. just a wittle baby.
Seriously though that new puppie my wife got me is no a lab mix. I told her no more bull dogs no time. Maybe still mixed but he's got attitude. Not fetchey wetchy but mine mine mine chew chew chew I dare you to take it.
Posted by: Howie at August 19, 2005 02:04 PM (D3+20)
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A gentleman went to England for his vacation. He spent one evening hitting all the pubs he could find, drinking beer after beer. He then decided to take in some of the sights, but before long realized he needed a bathroom. He had no luck finding a public bathroom so he slunk down a dank alleyway and about around to make sure he wasn't being observed.
As he pulled his zipper down an English Bobby tapped on his shoulder and said, "Sir, you cannot do that here." Well the man was embarrassed and apologized, but explained his predicament to the bobby. The Bobby then said, "I understand. Follow me." He then led the man down a few more streets and anothr dark alley to a gate. He said, "You can go in there, sir."
As the man entered the gate he found himself in a beautiful garden. All the plants and hedges trimmed and all the flowers in perfect bloom. He though, "Wow. This is great." So, with the bobby's blessing, he did his business and went back out the gate.
When he came out, the bobby was still there. The man said, "That was wonderful. So that's what they call English hospitality?"
The bobby replied, "No, sir. That is what we call the French Embassy."
Posted by: Oyster at August 19, 2005 02:39 PM (fl6E1)
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A city slicker came to visit Grandpa on the farm.
He asked what are all those little round things on the ground?
Why those are smart pills, said Grandpa, try one.
The city slicker tried one and got a strange look on his face.
What's the matter asked Grandpa?
Tastes like shit, Said the city slicker.
See you're getting smarter already Grandpa Replied.
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Missed Me Missed Me
now ya gotta, eh, nevermind.
AMMAN,
Jordan (AP) - Unknown assailants fired at least three missiles from
Jordan early Friday, with one narrowly missing a U.S. Navy ship docked
at port, an attack that killed a Jordanian soldier. One missile fell
close to an airport in neighboring Israel, officials said.
Further down in the story they say it was a mortar, which isn't a missile, but, that's the informed media for you. It's neither here nor there anyway. No matter what was fired, the firees should be bowing towards the black rock in gratitude that they missed.
We'll file this under Not A Wise Thing To Do At This Point In History.
UPDATE: Al Qaeda implicated. More coverage at Terrorism Unveiled. Moonbat tracking here.
Other Resources: Dan Riehl, T. Longren, OTB, Hyscience, La Shawn Barber, Glittering Eye, In The Bullpen, Conservative Thinking, Political Teen and many more.....
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Should we maybe take a little comfort in the fact that this was the best they could come up with, and not something like a Cole-esque style of attack?
Posted by: Venom at August 19, 2005 09:45 AM (dbxVM)
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Most definitely. I gave a hearty "phew!" when I read that this morning. But, once the feeling of relief goes away, then we get to make fun of them for being lousy shots.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at August 19, 2005 09:57 AM (Kr6/f)
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Who is selling them the missles? We should send them a grant.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 19, 2005 01:22 PM (CBNGy)
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It's good to see the Gaza appeasement hasn't encouraged them or anything.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 19, 2005 01:24 PM (0yYS2)
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Are they tring us? they missed becuase our ship was too far out
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Clarance Thomas Redux
At least that's what the lefties are trying to make out of the John Roberts confirmation hearings. Once again, they are attempting to put him on trial for his beliefs. The only difference is that with Thomas they tried attacking him with things that are actually illegal. This time, they're so hard up to find anything that they can use on him that they're simply attacking the fact that he might not agree with them.
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Not content to stay on the political sidelines shouting their opposition to John Roberts' nomination to the Supreme Court, the National Organization of Women (NOW), a leading abortion advocacy group, wants to testify during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings slated for September 6. The organization, which testified in 1981 in support of the nomination of outgoing pro-abortion Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, has formally requested to testify at has formally requested to testify at the Roberts hearings. NOW President Kim Gandy sent a letter to Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican. "After a thorough examination of the available record of the nominee, NOW has concluded that his confirmation represents a danger to many of the rights for which we have worked so hard," Gandy wrote in the letter. "To confirm John G. Roberts to fill the seat [O'Connor] held for 24 years would jeopardize [abortion rights]."
I think that spells out pretty clearly what they are trying to do. Of course what they are doing, at least in my eyes, is revealing themselves for exactly what they are. A politically motivated group who cares nothing for the good of the country as long as their agenda is forwarded as much as possible.
Come to think of it, the abortion industry has to be the most radical, extreme group that I've ever come across. Nearly every other group that you can think of in the United States accepts boundaries and government restrictions on what it can and cannot do. Certainly anything that may be dangerous does. And yet when restrictions of any type, even basic safety standards, are placed on abortionists, NOW, NARAL, Planned Parenthood and the ACLU scream, cry and whine like their world is ending. I'm fairly certain at this point that Roberts will be confirmed, just as Thomas was confirmed before him. Hopefully he'll give these extremist groups the good, hard does of reality that they all so richly deserve as well.
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Since the Bar Assoc. has given Roberts their approval, Leahy is saying that the Bar Assoc. is unreliable. However, when they gave other justices (read: liberal judges) their approval, Leahy called them the "gold standard" by which judges are judged. Now, is that hypocrisy or stupidity? I forget.
Interestingly enough, Thomas got the lowest rating from the Bar.
Posted by: Oyster at August 19, 2005 06:33 AM (YudAC)
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". Once again, they are attempting to put him on trial for his beliefs."
Imagine that. Caring what the supreme court thinks.
Posted by: actus at August 19, 2005 08:02 AM (nYnig)
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Drew: I hear you,. NOW, Naral, and Planned Parenthood are ther Triumverate of Terror, especialy for the unborn children of our country. Evil incarnate.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at August 19, 2005 09:58 AM (x+5JB)
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As far as IÂ’m concerned, if Frist wants to continue as Majority leader and Spector wants to continue as Judiciary Committee chair, they had better produce a Supreme Court Justice out of this nominee.
This majority in the Senate and the mandate from the last election is to be used. If the ACLU, NOW, Planned Parenthood and NARAL can succeed in telling America that a person who attends Church and believes in God is not acceptable as a Supreme Court Justice, we will loose the only opportunity we have to balance the Judicial branch in this country.
Frist better be ready to fight to win, if not, he should be thrown out.
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Posted by: Scott in CA at August 19, 2005 10:11 AM (I0LtK)
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Yes, actus, because we all know that his personal feelings and beliefs are so much more important than little things like our laws and the constitution. After all, his feelings are exactly what he should be basing his decisions on.
/sarcasm
We've had 15 years of justices basing decisions on feelings instead of the law, and look at where it's gotten us. I think I'd prefer a justice who actually reads the Constitution for a change.
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Government mandated separation of Church and State?
Alabama 1901, preamble.
We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution...
Alaska 1956, preamble.
We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded
our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God
for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God
for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, preamble.
We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God
for our freedom.
Colorado 1876, preamble.
We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.
Connecticut 1818, preamble.
The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, preamble.
Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping
and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, preamble.
We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, preamble.
We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance, establish this Constitution
Idaho 1889, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, preamble.
We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, preamble.
We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, preamble.
We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges, establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, preamble.
We, the people of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...
Louisiana 1921, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, preamble.
We, the People! of Maine, acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity... and imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, preamble.
We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, preamble.
We, the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts,
the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe... in the course
of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction.
Michigan 1908, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.
Minnesota 1857, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings.
Mississippi 1890, preamble.
We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to
Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, preamble.
We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness establish this Constitution.
Montana 1889, preamble.
We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty,
establish this Constitution.
Nebraska 1875, preamble.
We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, preamble.
We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution.
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V.
Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, preamble.
We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors...
New Mexico 1911, preamble.
We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty.
New York 1846, preamble.
We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, preamble.
We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those.
North Dakota 1889, preamble.
We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, preamble.
We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
Oklahoma 1907, preamble.
Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this.
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2.
All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God
according to the dictates of their consciences.
Pennsylvania 1776, preamble.
We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.
Rhode Island 1842, preamble.
We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God
for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing.
South Carolina 1778, preamble.
We, the people of he State of South Carolina, grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, preamble.
We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties... establish this.
Tennessee 1796, Art. XIIII.
That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, preamble.
We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, preamble.
Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, preamble.
Whereas all government ought to... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man.
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI.
Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator, can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other.
Washington 1889, preamble.
We the People of the State of Washington grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.
West Virginia 1872, preamble.
Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God.
Wisconsin 1848, preamble.
We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility.
Wyoming 1890, preamble.
We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties establish this Constitution.
After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe,
the ACLU and the federal courts are WRONG!
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."-William Penn
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Rusty's Blogger Military Service Survey
Regarding Rusty's
military service survey of the blogosphere, a commenter objects:
Its disgusting that you legitimize this fraudulent meme of the Left, Rusty.
The meme SPQR is talking about is the often-repeated phrase "chickenhawk" tossed at war supporters who haven't served in the military, or (since G.W. Bush is a veteran, and therefore passes the test) haven't served in combat. Yes, it is a meme, but Rusty isn't legitimizing it. In fact, quite the opposite.
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I followed an argument on a blog last year whereby one person called the other a chickenhawk. The recipient of the insult said he had indeed served in the military. The insulter got snippy and said, "What were you? A pot scrubber?" the other fellow said (I'll paraphrase because I can't find the actual words again), "Actually, I was a bomb technician. And before you have anymore inane questions or comments, yes, my time was mostly spent bored to tears punctuated occasionally with moments of sheer terror. And I had as much respect for the guys who washed dishes, typed reports and mopped floors. They all had a purpose and deserve respect." The insulting party never returned. If he had any character at all, he would have apologized.
THAT TOO is why Rusty's project has merit. Idiots like that guy.
Posted by: Oyster at August 19, 2005 06:52 AM (YudAC)
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Has everyone forgotten that use to be in war everyone did what they could? Thats how you win. Americans out there right now are totally ignoring this. Should we loose they are as much or more responsable then even the opposition to the war. I may not have served but to ignore it would shirking my duty as an American citizen. If all you do is send a Private some cookies you are helping.
Posted by: Howie at August 19, 2005 09:02 AM (D3+20)
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Yeah, I saw Starship Troopers the other night too, and couldn't help thinking of the enigmatic connection between Heinlein's fictionalized attitudes and modern resistance to the GWOT and Iraq. You'll never hear anyone in the Bush admin utter anything like Doogie Howser's line, "I send thousands of people just like you to their deaths every day; I'm sorry if that sounds harsh to you. But listen, boys and girls, we're in it for the species. It's simple numbers - they have more."
But the main problem I have is one of the premises in the Chickenhawk discourse, that military/combat experience gives one
moral authority. Morality is concerned with what is right, what is good, and what is virtuous, and, according to the
American Heritage Dictionary, is "based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
I believe people, deceptively or otherwise, are substituting the use of "moral" for "empirical," meaning "Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis;" or "Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws" or "Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine." The problem with this is that one person's empirical observations prove useful only in terms of what they themselves can replicate, such as how to behave in combat, but not in terms of applying this to a larger, unrelated sphere, such as strategy. Even a greater sampling of soldiers will only yield information on how to soldier, not how to strategize a war.
So whatever the anti-chickenhawks call themselves, they have no more authority on the war in Iraq to claim, moral or otherwise, than any other informed observer, unless you change the argument entirely. I therefore find Rusty's correlation between service, bias and opinion to be very interesting.
Posted by: tee bee at August 19, 2005 09:55 AM (q1JHF)
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This certainly extends Markos's expertise from the military to foreign policy. He was almost in a war and, now we come to learn, that Markos almost worked at the State department.
{Jerome} Armstrong: Markos started reading MyDD in 2001, and was one of the first people to write comments on my postings. He emailed me to tell me he was starting his own blog, Fishy Shark in 2002, which I linked to. Later, he started DailyKos.
We started e-mailing back and forth, and
he {Kos}told me near the end of that year (2002) that he was going to stop blogging because he was about to start working for the State department.
I was already talking to the Dean folks and Trippi was asking me to build a blog and other stuff. I knew Markos had a strong computer background, and so I invited him up to Portland where I was living, and so we gelled in a day or two.
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This sort of parallels the story of Fidel Castro, then aspiring baseball pitcher, not getting called up by the Yankees back in the 50s. Had Markos gone to work at the State Department, had DailyKos not gone through its growth and had the influence that it did -- who knows what would have happened?
My guess: President Kerry.
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not to mention now the State Department has lost out on that clear-headed pragmatic world view that Markos "You know the Quote" Moulitsas brings to the table.
Thanks, Kos!!
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Chickenhawkalotaatalk - Paul Wolfowitz and his assgang are getting whupped outta dodge! NEOCON FOOLS ARE LOSERS!!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at August 19, 2005 10:04 AM (90EsJ)
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Logic has entered; let the screaming on the left commence. Downs, you're practically ahead of schedule here, and somewhat short on the usual vitriol.
Posted by: tee bee at August 19, 2005 10:11 AM (q1JHF)
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Fidel Castro and Marcos "screw em" Kos. Wow! I'll bet Fidel channeled his personality to Kos and now we see what a Fidel blog would look like.
Now there's something that has to make DSM happy.
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teebee:
But the main problem I have is one of the premises in the Chickenhawk discourse, that military/combat experience gives one moral authority. Morality is concerned with what is right, what is good, and what is virtuous, and, according to the American Heritage Dictionary, is "based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
Actually, I think the term "moral authority" is misleading, because it simply means that the person who has it also has a low probability of being hypocritical in terms of physical courage. I have no problem with that, but it's different from "moral clarity," which has a great deal more to do with morality, justice, and even validity. There's also experiencial and expert authority.
I agree that everyone ought to be paying some price for this war, and it's ironic that one reason it has become unpopular is precisely because the costs are borne so narrowly. We aren't yet invested in it, as a nation.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 19, 2005 10:49 AM (0sVKo)
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fwiw - I think it's reasonable to ask "If you support the War, what have you done in support of this war?" Some non-enlist, train, deploy to Iraq options would include:
* donate blood - You've had 12 opportunities to donate blood since the war started, how many times have you actually donated blood?
* donate time/money - Have you donated time or money to a charitable cause for either the troops or the families of the troops.
There doesn't have to be a specific level reached for either dollars or blood, but people who just bang away on a keyboard on either side might consider doing either of the above.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 19, 2005 11:54 AM (EgPEq)
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What is this National Guard-thingie Bush was in? Some "you guys stay home and protect the women"-unit?
Posted by: A Finn at August 19, 2005 11:59 AM (lGolT)
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Finn, I'm guessing GW could have been in the Marines and it wouldn't have been valid in your eyes - his privileged background provides the obscuring lens for any of his accomplishments to certain dog-in-the-manger types, and the permanently politically opposed, such as Democrats and liberals. And, by the standards of the chickenhawk argument, you'd have had to serve in order to criticize. Maybe you have.
Dem, I wonder if the whole notion of "authority" isn't another linguistic red herring. When words have their meanings twisted and facts such as pre-war intelligence are regularly discounted by one side, it's difficult to have much faith in managing a reasonable discussion. Such chicanery is typical of people who will use any means to get what they want.
You mentioned on my post that there was a use of the term, moral authority. Is this among historians? I'm liberal arts, so I have some history along with the social sciences and lit. In my academic and personal reading, I've never come across it. Thanks.
Posted by: tee bee at August 19, 2005 05:54 PM (q1JHF)
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Bumper Sticker,
I have tried to donate every chance I can,
but unfortunately for me, I was in Germany in
1982 for more than 6 months. (Mad cow disease.)
I go in everytime, and I am denied. But I am told
to come back next time because they "might"
have a test to tell if I have MCD. MOOOOOOOOOO.
I have also donated several tins of cookies,
and crayons.
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Completly Beyond Reason
Those who believe in the adage "when it rains, it pours" might take the tale of the plaintiffs in Kelo v. New London as a cue to buy two of every animal and a load of wood from Home Depot. The U.S. Supreme Court recently found that the city's original seizure of private property was constitutional under the principal of eminent domain, and now New London is claiming that the affected homeowners were living on city land for the duration of the lawsuit and owe back rent. It's a new definition of chutzpah: Confiscate land and charge back rent for the years the owners fought confiscation.
In some cases, their debt could amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Moreover, the homeowners are being offered buyouts based on the market rate as it was in 2000.
Yes, you read that right. Not only have these people wrongfully had their homes taken by one of the stupidest Supreme Court decisions in our nation's history, but they are then told that they have to pay rent on their own property for the duration of the lawsuit. I'm certain that some (if not all) will sue, and if they lose this one, someone needs to be impeached.
H/T Patterico
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Were I them, the only thing I'd be calling my lawyer for would be so they could start getting my bail money ready. How small-minded and petty do you have to be to do that to these people?
Posted by: Cybrludite at August 19, 2005 06:29 AM (XFoEH)
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We thought we were outraged when the decision came down? This is absolutely insane. I hope Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Stevens and Breyer are proud of themselves. They should all be taken out along with the officials of New London and summarily shot.
Last time I checked I was still in America. I guess I was wrong.
Posted by: Oyster at August 19, 2005 07:18 AM (YudAC)
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So now who still thinks it isn't yet time to take up arms? Welcome to the new age of imperialism in the New World, only this time it isn't Mad King George who is the enemy, but our own governments. The people of New London should have a tea party, but instead of tea, throw the city government into the bay, complete with concrete shoes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 19, 2005 01:27 PM (0yYS2)
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Sad Ending
According to
Confederate Yankee, Cindy Sheehen has left Bush's ranch because her mother had a stroke. I wanted to see an end to this, but certainly not like this. I pray everything goes well for her and her mother.
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She is probably responsible for her mother's stroke. Also, would you believe her.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 18, 2005 09:31 PM (CBNGy)
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Sheenan Sage Part Deux: My mother had a stroke and it is all to blame on Bush and his neocon agenda.
Of course I have sympathy for Ms. Sheenan's mother, but can find none for Ms. Sheenan.
Posted by: Fersboo at August 18, 2005 11:00 PM (OdjZa)
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Cindy should see this as a divine warning
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 18, 2005 11:15 PM (IJ51c)
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Oh God. I can just see her blaming THIS on Pres. Bush. Too bad. My heart goes out to that family who have suffered so much already...
Posted by: caltechgirl at August 19, 2005 12:03 AM (H5rmO)
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While I share your sympathy for her mother, and your sentiment for this charade to end .. sadly, Cindy has vowed to return.
"My 15 minutes aren't up yet, you Zionist son killers!"
/TJ
... ok, she didn't actually say that, but she was probably thinking it!
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Greyrooster: Perhaps.
BTW, DO NOT watch this clip...
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/carthieframpage.html
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Karma's a bitch
Posted by: Cindy at August 19, 2005 11:36 AM (O1SIn)
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It's a shame that Bush caused her mother to have a stroke and all. Damn that Karl Rove. Damn him to hell.
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Chuck Hagel's Fretful Vision
My frickin' satellite TV is out, so I'm relying an a backup that has only CNN. Today, on the Wolfe Blitzer Show (or whatever it's called)
Chuck Hagel was allowed, or encouraged, to pontificate in an especially headstrong manner. I'm going to have to paraphrase his remarks, because I just don't have access to the transcript yet, but essentially he responded to a question about crafting an "informed opinion" on Iraq with something like:
"Well, all I can do is rely on the same information available to the public, all of which seems to suggest that we're losing, rather than winning, in Iraq." [There were some references suggesting that electricity production is down, etc..]
Well, I beg to differ "Chuck" but you're a Senator who, presumabaly, has access to a great deal more information than we have as a private citizens. Plus you're pulling down the big bucks for your level of authority and responsibility. So just where do you get off making a statement claiming that you're just one of the crowd who sees Cindy Sheehan as credible?
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All right punk, I'll have none of this.
You leave the Hagel bashing to those of us who actually won't be voting for him next time around.
Hehehehehe.
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This is not the first time Mr. Hagel has said this and he supposedly will run for President in 08. I wrote and told him why that was not a correct position. Darn, I guess he didn't listen to me.
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Why do so many senators delude themselves into believing they are of presidential timbur? I've never seen anything particularly impressive about Hagel yet he is frequently mentioned as a potential candidate.
Posted by: LargeBill at August 18, 2005 09:18 PM (9g0u+)
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LB:
Why do so many senators delude themselves into believing they are of presidential timbur?
Well, in my capacity as a campaign manager for a couple of races, one for US Representative and one for State Representative, I can take a fairly educated guess. Basically everyone serving in office nowadays has to run a more or less perpetual campaign, which means that a serving Senator or Congressman always has people around him/her whose sole job is to promote every remotely positive feature of that politician, and to downplay everything that's remotely negative. The entire focus of the entourage is on the politician, so they're constantly getting this distorted feedback about themselves convincing them that they're damn near flawless human beings, wiser than Solomon and braver than Achilles. For most of us mortals, that sort of thing turns our heads. It takes a real mensch to maintain a realistic sense of self with all that going on, and there just aren't many around.
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How Soon They Forget
When Rusty wrote this:
The Right has no identity phrase to delegitimize left-wing bloggers' anti-war stance equivelant to chickenhawk.
I couldn't believe that he had forgotten THIS.
Surveys are cool, I like surveys, but sometimes, in the schoolyard of socio-political blogging, it's necessary to throw it right back in their face. A little technique known as "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd."
"Chickenhawk" is clever, but pales next to "Airmchair Jihadi," don't ya think?
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someone should think of a witty "human sheild" remark. Remember that idea?
Posted by: h0mi at August 18, 2005 06:51 PM (zpJBl)
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I call them keyboard Jihadist.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 18, 2005 09:33 PM (CBNGy)
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I find it interesting that the folks who claim to be trying to "save teh Iraqi people" aren't there acting as human shields -- against the terrorists.
Same with those trying to "save teh troops".
By their own standard, they are rank hypocrites.
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Do-it-yourself Festival of the Fatwas: I Heart Jihad edition
Have an interesting post? Want us to issua a fatwa against you? Simply link one of your posts to this post and send us a trackback. We will automatically issue a fatwa against you.
I will be in meetings all day tomorrow, so no blogging for me.
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I assume this is a new fightsong for the new state of terror called hamasistan. Just between you and me, it amazes me that some people wonder why Jews are a little leary of Muslims wearing sheets on their heads. Oy! This could also be an Ode to Le Odor, mr. arafart. Oh well, just felt like posting and letting off some steam. Thanks for having the site up. ;-) Don't smack any of those nasty little kiddos tomorrow. Mine goes to Rome for a semester of Study Abroad instead of her US campus. BJ Turner/Bubbe bjqt@cox.net
Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special
Studies (C.S.S)
www.intelligence.org.il/eng/eng_n/d17aug_e05.htm
The following is a translation of an hate mongering and terrorism inciting
anti-Israeli song broadcast on Sawt Al-Aqsa, , the Hamas radio station on
August 16, 2005:
"Al-Qassam warriors, Al-Qassam warriors,
Rain rockets on the settlers!
Prepare the [missile] launchers and aim them at the settlements,
Glorify the name of Allah, the lord of the world!
Hero, improve the Qassam rockets,
Don't let any Jew sleep!
Oh, Qassam, we want you to make land mines,
Prepare ambushes for the settlers!
The fearless fighters descended upon the settlements
May Allah preserve them, the symbol of our honor.
They carried the bombs, girded themselves with explosive belts
And sang songs of leave-taking [as they made their way] to the highest heavens.
Oh, Hamas, your army swears that
Millions of shaheeds are marching to Al-Aqsa!
We, oh Qassam, swear allegiance to death!
Strap on the belts and load them with TNT!
Oh, shaheed's mother, be happy for the shaheed!
Your son is in paradise, happy and blissful!
(Announcer: Listen, Sharon , to the Hamas announcement:
Leave Haifa, Jerusalem and Imwas [ancient Emmaeus, an abandoned Palestine
village in the Ayalon Vally on the road to Jerusalem ]
We will be victorious, oh, Bush,
We will be victorious, oh, Sharon (2),
And you will see that tomorrow
If Allah so wills it.
The Al-Aqsa Brigades will make you tremble in Haifa and Tel Aviv
They will strike you in Safed and Acre ,
Because we, our dear ones,
Do not distinguish between [ Jewish] Palestine and [Arab] Palestine (3),
For [as] Jaffa is the same as Gaza , Tel-al-Zuhour (4) is the same as Rafah,
And the Galilee is the same as Hebron .
We make no distinction between the parts of the earth of the homeland. [i.e.
the whole of Palestine is ours].
2 A quote from 'Abd al-'Aziz al-Rantisi, who headed Hamas until he died in a
targeted killing on April 17, 2004.
3 Another 'Abd al-'Aziz al-Rantisi quote.
4 One of the Arabic names for Tel Aviv usually used by radical Islamic
Palestinian terrorists groups, mainly Hamas.
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Taliban Release Hostage
The Taliban are alive, well, and in the business of taking hostages. They freed the Lebanese hostage when his company agreed to leave Afghanistan, thus pulling needed capital from an already impoverished nation.
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Chinese Propaganda: "US Troops Hold Iraqi Children Hostage"
It's so surreal that it's almost funny. The reason many in the world hate us--and the reason many terrorists believe they are engaged in a noble cause-- is because they read stories like this and believe them.
People's Daily:
US troops held five children as hostages to demand handover of insurgents near a northern Iraqi town on Tuesday, police said.
"The US forces surrounded the village of Mazraa near Baiji and detained five children under 10 years old, calling on the residents by loudspeakers to hand over several other children showed on TV channels celebrating the killing of US soldiers after roadside blast last week," a police source from Baiji told Xinhua on condition of anonymity.
The US troops threatened to sweep the village by Wednesday morning to detain the other children and suspected insurgents, he said.
The US military, however, said they had no information about the incident.
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if it was the Chinese armed forces in Iraq, there would no longer be an Iraqi people, period
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 18, 2005 11:30 PM (IJ51c)
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Can anyone prove it could not have happened? Since this logical paradox of "if you can't prove that there's no way it exists, it exists" works with gods and such, it applies here as well.
If it's true I suspect some guys were grumpy and drunk
(since the noble art of making booze out of rations has been known here for 500 years, your guys should know it as well) and figured they should get some revenge. Your army has a tainted recent history with kids, maybe they moved the guys paying African kids candy for sex and the guys who had sex with minors in Japan to Iraq.
(in case you didn't know, ever since WWII you've had a base in Japan, since they weren't allowed to have an army for a while and they needed one to avoid becoming Chinese)
Suspected response: "WHAT?!?! NEVER HEARD, NEVER HAPPENED, SOSIALIST BASTARD!"
Not sosialist, centrist, and yes it did happen since it was in the news here and EuroNews with big headlines, victims and interviews, and there's no way anyone can prove it could not have happened.
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I'm sorry, I wanted to believe it, but there was a lack of pertinent information in this story...I was snookered too. There was no mention of what platoon, or company did this.
This goddam thing was posted everywhere, but no confirmation info...not even a name. Calling it a wash-out.
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I'm not an antissemite, but.....
Wait a second,
you mean Goldstein is a J-O-O? Wow, that one came way out of left field......
UPDATE: This post is in the spirit of our e-mail a terrorist conceptual series. Follow the link and e-mail an antisemetic asshole.
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Al Qaeda Implicated in Bangladesh Bombings
Remember, Bangladesh used to be known as East Pakistan. Whenever the ROP complains about the ultimate blame resting on Israel proclaiming itself a state, remind them that Pakistan and Bangladesh are nations today because--in spite of Gandhi's pleas--millions of Muslims insisted that they could not live within a multi-religious Indian state.
Gateway Pundit has the al Qaeda angle covered here.
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Star Wars Geeks We'd Like to Date
For some reason, whenever some one finds a piece of Star Wars related porn they send it to me. Am I complaining? Hell no! Thanks to
Rob Porter of Say Anything and
Wizbang for sending me this. He found a gallery of Star Wars geeks who are also babes at
Flickr here and
here. I know it sounds like an oxymoron, but check out this babe below. Good catch Rob, live long and prosper. Oh, wait, wrong sci-fi geek lingo........
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Ygggaaaaaaah!!!
Those two on the bottom are awful!!!
Get me back to the Hatcher thread quick!!!
Posted by: Brad at August 18, 2005 03:47 PM (3OPZt)
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I've got a baaad feeling about this. Yes, the first one is babe-a-licious, but she's also got a look in her eye that says to me "potential slaughterer of family pets". Turn the ship around.
Posted by: Robert the Llama Butcher at August 18, 2005 04:20 PM (IkTb7)
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Aye,
That first oneÂ’s a bunny boiler for sure.
Posted by: Brad at August 18, 2005 05:38 PM (3OPZt)
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star wars porn sounds good
Posted by: DarthMole at August 18, 2005 08:05 PM (wWAmZ)
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I don't get it? You mean the real leia would not be a bunny boiler? Comeon, I don't see her liking pet dropping all over the palace.
Posted by: Fred Fry at August 19, 2005 11:50 AM (JXdhy)
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Fred
Glen Close boiled the family bunny in "Fatal Attraction" , and it had nothing to do with pet droppings.
Robert sounded like he was having thoughts of some sort of relationship with this Star wars hussie.
Posted by: Brad at August 19, 2005 12:29 PM (3OPZt)
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Never go for the rebel Princesses. You want want to go after the princess who's daddy is in power.
Posted by: Fred Fry at August 19, 2005 02:44 PM (JXdhy)
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umm... technically the rebel princess' daddy WAS in power.
Posted by: TJ at August 21, 2005 12:03 PM (B5LkG)
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You can't be 60170 serious?!?
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The Soylent Green Gaza Pullout Connection
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Terri Hatcher Uses Sex Toys, Needs Gigilo
Terri Hatcher reveals that she uses sex toys and has contemplated hiring a giglo. Let me introduce myself:Rusty Shackleford, male prostitute.
Via Interested Participant who says what we're all thinking, this from Daily Record:
The star, who has just turned 40, confessed she is often too busy to date and has to rely on sex toys.
And in a frank interview, she said she has given serious thought to paying a gigolo.
Teri said: "You know, I once thought of what it would be like to hire a male hooker."
Am I the only one who's prurient interests are piqued by a sentence that contains
Terri Hatcher and sex toys in it? If I am, you probably don't want to read on and view the photos.
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I'm available for no charge and I will pay my own expenses to her home. (But it can be no later than Saturday because my wife will be back home on Sunday.)
Posted by: Don Miguel at August 18, 2005 03:14 PM (+KixN)
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Shameless search engine traffic whoring.
And I like it.
Posted by: Will Franklin at August 18, 2005 03:17 PM (B5UgV)
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One of your best posts, Rusty.
Posted by: Venom at August 18, 2005 03:31 PM (dbxVM)
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Probably the most important too!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 18, 2005 04:01 PM (JQjhA)
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I have found there is a market for blogging whores. You should try it, Rusty. I can teach ya a thing or two. ;-)
Posted by: Feisty at August 18, 2005 05:09 PM (BQCAh)
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DROOL DROOL!!! PANT PANT!!!....hey, im not that old that i cant admire another woman....Teri aint quite my type{i like em a bit more chesty} but id pay her to let me be her sex toy...WOOHOOO!!!!
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Caption contest anyone?
"I never knew an uneven load could be so much fun!"
Ahh... that was for photo #1 at the top.
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send me her nude pivture or fuck movie
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Jihad Comes Back to Bosnia
Followers of this will not be surprised, but evidence continues to mount that Bosnia is becoming the focus point for global jihadis in training. But, wait, I thought Bosnia........??
AINA:
Terrorists who previously targeted the U.S. are now in Bosnia, where they have access to a "one-stop shop" of jihad training camps, weapons and illegal Islamic 'charities' -- all at the doorstep of Europe, terrorism experts said.
"[Convicted terrorist] Karim Said Atmani recently returned to Bosnia after being released early from French prison for 'good behavior,'" terrorism expert and author Evan Kohlmann said.
Atmani, a Moroccan, was linked to the "millennium bomb plot" and convicted by a French court of colluding with Osama bin Laden. He has been linked to the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), an organization responsible for airplane hijackings and subway bombings in France...
Also finding haven in Bosnia is Abu el Maali, who like Atmani, was a foreign national who fought in the Bosnia war. El Maali was later accused by French authorities of attempting to smuggle explosives in 1998 to an Egyptian terrorist group plotting to destroy U.S. military installations in Germany. He was also accused of leading terrorist cells in Bosnia, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
"This activity is very significant," said Kohlmann. "Senior members of the former Muslim Brigade and their top commanders are still there, and they're still active."....
Cybercast News Service has also obtained a video that terrorism analysts say depicts an active jihad training camp in Bosnia-Herzegovina, a region previously described by analysts as an ideal gateway for terror missions into Europe.
The video, which is over four minutes in length, shows outdoor maneuvers, explosives training and training inside what appears to be a school gym. Exercises in hostage-taking are also shown....
The presence of active jihadist camps in Bosnia-Herzegovina was also confirmed by attorney and counter-terrorism expert Darko Trifunovic, who previously served as a diplomat in the foreign service of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Kohlmann said that the main camps used during the war have been closed, and a different tactic for jihad training has emerged: disguising them as youth camps. "These days, usually the kind of jihad camp you'll see in Bosnia and other countries are so-called 'youth camps.'" They are usually led by a former member of the mujahadeen, someone with military experience, and perhaps a fundamentalist cleric, said Kohlmann....
Al Qaeda cells were set up in Bosnia in the early 1990s by Ayman al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, and bin Laden was said to visit the area twice in the mid-1990s," Brown added. "Iran was very involved in supporting the Islamist separatist movement in Bosnia, and Hezbollah was doing training there in the 1990s."
Training also takes place inside youth centers and school gyms, according to Trifunovic....
Fortunately, all the experts seem to be in agreement that Bosnian Muslims are far more likely to be secular in orientation than Muslims of other countries. Unfortunately, it only takes a small number of well trained people to commit major acts of terrorism. Hat tip:
Evan Kohlmann.
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Well I for one am glad we bombed the crap out of the Serbs and stopped them from wiping out the muslims, especially since it's paying such great peace dividends now. Why is it every time a dhimmicrat is in ofice, things only get worse?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 18, 2005 02:42 PM (0yYS2)
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Lot of Muslims victimized
(as in made into victims by something) by a quite recent ethnic cleansing
(you know, Slobodan and his merry fellows...)
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Terrorists looking for a place where there absolutely
can't be any prejudice against Muslims due to pity or such
=> Wooptiedoo, let's go to Bosnia, we'll be safe there, and it's in Europe, so no-one can attack us...
Weeeeell, they're wrong, since the army is moving peacetime forces to offense, I mean peacekeepers, with some darn heavy assault gear and units we traditionally consider to be invasion forces
(Who needs bomber aircraft and saboteurs when peacekeeping?). Who knows, maybe we'll start "peacekeeping" all the EU:s neighbours
(not Russia, since politically we apparently like them now that we got trade going like back in the Soviet days) and countries that have problems with EU rules and regulations... Balkan-unit has already been doubled and re-equipped this summer. Next stop: Aceh.
Finns getting involved in world politics has usually led to a world war
(kicked all that Turkey booty back to Asia and Russians make Balkan a puzzle of independent countries that Austria nibbles bites of => wooptiedoo their emperor gets shot there, WWI. Slaughtered that Soviet horde of millions on the Kannas in Winter War => wooptiedoo Hitler thinks they're weak and starts spreading faster, WWII) or barbarian invasion
(started using flamebombs and iron-tipped arrows and raiding back at them => Swedish Vikings notice it's easier to go south and loot everything along the rivers and create Novgorod the early Russia on their way to Black Sea. Chased those Sami people west and north => famine in Norway due to sudden population growth so Norse and Danish Vikings utterly destroy and conquer Britain France and Sicily), but I'm sure this time it's different... not.
Completely irrelevant? Yes I know, but I'm bored yet not sleepy.
Posted by: A Finn at August 18, 2005 03:20 PM (lGolT)
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Why don't we just let the Serbs deal with this? Oh, wait, I forgot...NATO decided that the best thing to do was to bomb them, handcuff them, and allow Islamofascists a prime training ground and stepping stone to western Europe. Oh yeah, and I'm still waiting to see evidence of this "genocide" we were all told was going on. What a fucking joke.
Posted by: Venom at August 18, 2005 03:35 PM (dbxVM)
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Never understood stance against the Serbs. We should have been on their side. Who the hell was president then?
Posted by: greyrooster at August 18, 2005 09:39 PM (CBNGy)
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Lol, sure, "NATO" decided...
Posted by: A Finn at August 19, 2005 12:58 AM (lGolT)
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Sitemeter Down?
Is it just me, or is Sitemeter not working for any one?
UPDATE: I blame Bushitlerchimpeymchaliburton. And Bill Gates.
UPDATE II: Perhaps I spoke too soon. I blame the ghost of Rachel Corrie.
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It's working on mine. Maybe just a momentary glitch?
Posted by: GradualDazzle at August 18, 2005 01:30 PM (I97zs)
Posted by: IO ERROR at August 18, 2005 01:54 PM (HaVXj)
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The whole site is running really slow from here, especially the "front page".
Posted by: A Finn at August 18, 2005 02:14 PM (lGolT)
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Maybe it's just that no one is visiting the jawa anymore.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at August 18, 2005 02:20 PM (UVPXr)
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maybe its because you didn't change the background on the comments page.
Posted by: Mr. K at August 18, 2005 02:30 PM (Ta2z/)
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I'm like Job, abandoned by my friends!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 18, 2005 03:03 PM (JQjhA)
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I've been having problems with site meter for the past couple of days. There are hours with no visitors, when just a couple of days ago there were at least 15-20 per hour.
Posted by: kimsch at August 18, 2005 03:24 PM (0QV98)
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I thought Satan killed all Jobs friends, family and cattle, collapsed his house, ruined his crops and gave him horrible diseases while God was checking poor old Jobs suspiciously fanatic loyalty level. Well, don't worry, it turned out okay in the end, the Bible-Job got new wife/wives and kids and stuff after God decided he was loyal enough.
Posted by: A Finn at August 18, 2005 03:31 PM (lGolT)
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He did, but what pissed Job off the most was that his friends blamed him for his misery and abandoned him in a time of need.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 18, 2005 03:34 PM (JQjhA)
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Oh, I thought all the friends got killed too...
Posted by: A Finn at August 18, 2005 03:38 PM (lGolT)
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Darn, I got biblical, getting biblical means get some rest. Must go sleep. Me need nap.
Posted by: A Finn at August 18, 2005 03:41 PM (lGolT)
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Rusty:
It's the dog days of summer. Who but a bunch of diehard obsessives are blogging or reading blogs?
Posted by: Demosophist at August 18, 2005 08:58 PM (zzime)
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