December 18, 2005
Christmas is Great
So today I started off already in a pissy mood from the drive home Friday because I had to listen to
this and
this, but
then there was this and I felt better. No wait a minute, OK. I at once realized that this is not about the USA “Security Act for Dealing with Terrorism Extension Bill of 2005”. Now I have a good idea. Add a three to five year extension to the current bill on Monday and leave the sundown dates in and get to leave town. Cool with me. The deal is we are sitting on a big string of success. Don't blink it’s just them trying to hold back the sea. Iraqi Success is just too much. Got to fight against the success of the Good old USA of A because were The NY Times, it's what we do!
Then today Condi was on TV and all was good(transcript eventually it's Fox they are slow to post this one for some stupid reason. Then Harry “what a punk” Reid. And then it was a good day off to the mall to pig and buy stuff. Not to bad really till I stopped to get milk at Wally World. Some group in from of me with lobotomies all the around. Each of them with his/her own pile of envelopes, cards and change. The one took at least two minutes with her Signature. Ok if you are not in a hurry the WTF are you doing in the “Quick Checkout Lane”, Ehem, The President is giving a speech in like two hours lady. Then at the gas station a DJ on the Radio just blanked old Harry out of the local newscast. I was standing there, and it says, ”House Minority Leader Harry……….. ……………..”. Then the news just continued on. I felt better and I hope you do to. Then I read this and felt even better. Double death for Zaqueery am I not correct he is already wanted dead there? I wonder how Jordan works that out? Read the related links as well, all good. I have to go now. President you know. Yes it all works out one way you can tell it's working is all the ruckess!!
Updated : link to transcript and what I thought was the chincher in the speech.
FOXNEWS:It is also important for every American to understand the consequences of pulling out of Iraq before our work is done. We would abandon our Iraqi friends and signal to the world that America cannot be trusted to keep its word.
See the terrorists first of all doubted our government had the gumption to act. Now they count on our people to falter. They believe "We the People" are soft and will loose heart and fail. That we can be easily waited out because as a society they are stronger than we. I'm willing to bet there is still some fight left in this dog. Don't let me and the rest fo the Nation down.
So while I'm at it Caption This pic of old Harry.
Updated : So now I have to pick winners. I hate that part. Due to some urgent stuff that must me done yesterday I'll be scarce for a few days. Not to worry the other bloggers are kickinig ass and taking names.
Winner
Carter for : "Harry Reid fails a basic sobriety test, missing his nose and putting out a reporters eye"
Runners up Carlos for "Here, sniff my finger." Filthy for: "In my line of work I seldom need more than this".
Honorable mention Vinnie and traderrob although they post here so they can't win. And also Agent Smith's poem was good. See I would make you all winners if I could.

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Bend over and grab your ankles. I am YOUR friendly neighborhood proctologist.
Posted by: bubbe at December 18, 2005 08:22 PM (cbAi4)
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I'm not for victory in Iraq ! Do you see any purple on this finger?
Posted by: mom at December 18, 2005 08:46 PM (2MV0m)
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While searching for a Democratic position, I found this sticky green thing on the end of my finger.
Posted by: Bill at December 18, 2005 09:46 PM (e88kd)
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Just like a Democrat bring the wrong finger to a flippin' the bird fight!
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 09:47 PM (3aakz)
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Harry Reid fails a basic sobriety test, missing his nose and putting out a reporter's eye.
Posted by: D. Carter at December 18, 2005 10:11 PM (xT77+)
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Here, sniff my finger. *wink* *wink*
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 11:10 PM (8e/V4)
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Would you look at the size of that thing? And it came out of my nose!
Posted by: Rhino Spelunker at December 18, 2005 11:17 PM (fOs9F)
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"Nancy! Quick! Pull my finger!
Ahahahahahaha! Beat that one, Teddy!"
Posted by: Vinnie at December 18, 2005 11:44 PM (Kr6/f)
Posted by: Macker at December 19, 2005 01:00 AM (D4Apj)
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Hyvää joulua, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays et cetera and a Happy New Year 2006, hope 2005 won't go out with a bang like 2004.
Ok, back to December-time of keeping my ideas to myself to avoid ruining peoples holiday spirit. See ya next year, maybe.
Posted by: A Finn at December 19, 2005 01:58 AM (cWMi4)
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Would you guys PLEASE do something about that vulture sitting up there among the lights! It's really freaking me out. Oddly enough Pelosi and Kennedy have said that its been following them around as well.
Posted by: Graeme at December 19, 2005 04:29 AM (Wtu+d)
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"In my line of work, I seldom need more than this"
Posted by: Filthy at December 19, 2005 04:36 AM (uxn8Q)
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Agent Jones in a "Finnman Moment" opines on Christmas.
Twas the night before Christmas and through the White House,
Every inhabitant was scratching wounds from the big louse.
The Constitution was hanging in tattered despair, while a fat-faced advisor stuffed his face with eclairs.
The louse was engorged having drank the nations' blood, while the country that was bitten was praising him with love.
Oh Christmas, the holiday of Jesus Supreme, how prostituted your birthday has become for those who skim cream.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 19, 2005 06:12 AM (fyK10)
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This little booger on my finger means more to me than all the American troops in Iraq.
Posted by: Pigilito at December 19, 2005 06:14 AM (EBtsC)
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LOL - D. Carter!!!
So I told my wife, "Don't buy me anymore of these awful ties!"
Posted by: Oyster at December 19, 2005 07:46 AM (YudAC)
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Frist: "Put that away Harry, You don't know where that fingers been!"
Posted by: traderrob at December 19, 2005 08:32 AM (3al54)
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"Just one dirty sanchez....that's all I ask! Just don't make me beg....that makes me feel filthy!"
Posted by: scarletbegonia at December 19, 2005 09:14 AM (EpecC)
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"I tell you, I was for this war before I was against it. Or was I against it before I was for it. Damn finger, quit changing my mind."
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 09:17 AM (rUyw4)
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My favorite part what where Chris asks him. Going to give bank that Abramof money? Go read the transcript. Ok done I hope. Now let me translate. He said, "No".
Posted by: Howie at December 19, 2005 09:21 AM (D3+20)
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FCUK YOU mr. President...DAMN IT WRONG FINGER AGAIN!!...man i'm stupid
Posted by: Billy Faeth at December 19, 2005 11:22 AM (T1JIe)
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Celebrat a polticly incorrect christmas with turkey and the trimmins as well and gifts and a real tree and a nativity in your front yard and nuts with what the atheist jarkwads nextdoor says and screw the city council GI Joe for the boys Barbie for the girls and just shut up and pass the the roast beast
Posted by: sandpiper at December 19, 2005 01:49 PM (A2P9P)
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Oh My! I dug so far up my nose, I don't know if that's a booger or my brain. Hard to tell, both are all hard and dried up, and about the same size. Oh well, ummmmmm yummy!!
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Interesting Times Indeed
My apologies for showing total irreverence for the Blog Sabbath but the Bears aren't on till 8:30 and there's just too much interesting stuff going on today to ignore.
German Hostage in Iraq Has Been Freed.... BERLIN - A German aid worker and archaeologist kidnapped in Iraq with her driver has been freed after three weeks in captivity, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier announced Sunday night.
And concerning the NSA wiretapping leak that hypocritical treacherous trollop otherwise known as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi confessed late Saturday that she signed off on President Bush's decision to have a top intelligence agency conduct "unspecified activities" to gather intelligence on possible terrorists operating inside the U.S. in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.
Then Colin Powell sticks his finger in the eye of the Democrats and MSM with this revelation...THE US administration was never told of doubts about the secret intelligence used to justify war with Iraq, former secretary of state Colin Powell told the BBC in an interview to be broadcast on Sunday night.
And finally news that will likely never be offered up anywhere but the blogospere and a few newspapers...Iraq Interior Minister Bayan Jabir said terror attacks in the country decreased by 70 percent and no escapee has been arrested at Syrian borders for two weeks.
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My Vikes need your Bears to go down.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 05:27 PM (8e/V4)
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After what Pittsburg did to them today, you are right.
Posted by: traderrob at December 18, 2005 05:41 PM (3al54)
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Yeah, that was ugly. But your Bears won't have the same luck. The Vikes always play good against da Bears, especially in the Dome.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 05:58 PM (8e/V4)
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Usually they do, but if the Bears come in with a 2 game lead in the division it's all academic.
Posted by: traderrob at December 18, 2005 06:02 PM (3al54)
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True. That's why da Bears have to go down tonight.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 06:08 PM (8e/V4)
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Excellent news, RE: German women. Was her driver also released?
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 06:11 PM (CcXvt)
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The article only said this...."It was not immediately clear if Osthoff's driver also was freed. Steinmeier left the news conference without taking questions."
Posted by: traderrob at December 18, 2005 06:17 PM (3al54)
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Looks like another bad news day for the dhimmicraps.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 06:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Hee..hee...hee..those poor democrats lose again!!!!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 18, 2005 06:34 PM (rUyw4)
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maxie
Don't tell me the Dems bet it all on the Saints! Dooooooh!
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 06:34 PM (3aakz)
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Oh, good news for Susanne Osthoff and her family. I haven't seen any news on the CPTers though.
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 06:36 PM (YudAC)
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So Reid and Pelosi are backtracking like crazy, huh? It seems the Democrats will sign off on anything thinking all they ahve to do is say,
"I was tricked!" later on.
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 06:59 PM (YudAC)
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I wonder if its time the Democrats changed their music logo from "Happy Days Are Here Again" to the Warner Bros Loony Tunes theme?
I can see Dr. Howard Dean as Elmer Fudd - "Im huntin' Repubicans! haaaahaaaaahaaaa YEEEEEAAAAAH!"
John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) as Wiley Coyote (Acme Rocket go BOOOOOOM - another Purple Heart!)
Hillary as that arrogant snivelin' obnoxious DUCK ... "your dissssspicable!" as she moves her beak back and forth and left and right.
Sorry Dems - Karl Rove's got first dibs on the Bunny!
I could go on but - anyone else have ideas
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 10:09 PM (3aakz)
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Congratulations to the friends and family of Mrs. Osthoff on her safe release. This is excellent news and I look forward to seeing more of the same over the coming days now that the Iraqi election has taken place amidst relative calm.
Posted by: Rob at December 18, 2005 11:53 PM (Wl7Nx)
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Agent Brown says it was Satan who did it.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 19, 2005 06:12 AM (fyK10)
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U.S. Marines Going More Extreme - In Hand To Hand Combat
If Col. Shusko has his way, every Marine -- and everyone near them -- will benefit from the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP). Unlike men and women in the other branches of the armed forces, every Marine is taught how to fight hand-to-hand, up close and personal.
For the first time in the U.S. military, an effort has been made to combine the most effective techniques of martial-arts disciplines from around the world into a single course of study -- MCMAP.
At the Marine Corps Martial Arts Center of Excellence, fighting instruction is merged with character-building lessons as a new breed of warrior is forged.
Semper Fi - my Marine Corp is becoming
just a bit more extreme ...
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Agent Smith is chasing a guy who claims he knows kung fu.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 18, 2005 06:54 AM (+5j5X)
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My first choice was and is the bayonet. My second choice is the Kbar. Hand to hand to me indicates desperation. Not that I did not get desperate at times. It is good in a bar but in a real war it sucks.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 06:58 AM (yONeR)
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Check out a funny site dedicated to the absurdity and satire nature of saying "It's All George Bush's Fault!"
http://www.itsallgeorgebushsfault.com
Regards,
Notta Libb
Posted by: Notta Libb at December 18, 2005 07:06 AM (IRfdO)
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PS - While a boot I thought all the DI’s were sadistic S’soB’s. I thought that a lot of what they made us do was sheer bullying. After 8 JFK tours in Nam (actually only one Naval tour, but 4 times as much time “in country” as JFK’s “two” tours) I had a very different opinion. I wish they had been a little (not a lot) tougher. I completely agree with the Lt.Col that “the more you sweat in training the less you bleed in combat.”
Most of us were well prepared for war thanks to Boot Camp and ITR. I think maybe the draftees in the Army were not. What do you former “Doggies” say?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 07:29 AM (yONeR)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 08:34 AM (8e/V4)
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Its true! You can break a wood board with a jarhead's head! I know - I've done it!
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 11:27 AM (3aakz)
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I have just finished reading a book that is about martial arts training for the U.S Special Forces, amazingly they do not teach "roundhouse" kicks, "footsweeps" or even Mr. Miyagi's devastating "Crane kick" wtf?!
Seriously, however, the criteria for the selection of certain Martial arts techniques for Special Forces is based on:
Physical condition: If a soldier is using martial arts to escape and evade the techniques must take into account his probable physical condition: tired and nearing exhaustion.
Means: Martial arts for elite soldiers must be mission specific, which specifically means causing debilitating injury or death.
Time: Limited and flexible training that can be tailored for maximum adaptability.
Body: Techniques should not require any special changes in the body, for this reason high taekwon do kicks would be avoided.
Memorable: maintained with minimum time, and effort.
I should imagine the Marines adopt such a program.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 11:34 AM (CcXvt)
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There's an excellent show on the History Channel called "Shootouts", and many accounts are based on Marine small engagements in Iraq. I'm telling you, those boys are absolute badasses. Combat marines aren't like you and me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 11:43 AM (8e/V4)
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Its called Combatives - nothing fancy - 3 levels - its incorportated into training on MOS need only - not general service. You can however pursue it on your own reguardless of field.
It ain't pretty or stylish - just down & dirty and very very crippling and lethal.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 11:50 AM (3aakz)
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Hopefully sailors (like me) can opt-in, but I doubt it. It sucks the other branches can't go through hardcore training (except for Seals, but I hate cold water). At my last command I sought to do martial arts with the Marines, but I was shot down.
Posted by: Tom at December 18, 2005 12:41 PM (cUb/i)
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Hondo - you lie! No one who did that has ever lived to tell the story!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 03:41 PM (yONeR)
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Inter-service rivalies ... I've got lots of stories ... and we always save the best for the Marines!
An Army PFC and a Marine Gunnery Sgt are in an airport in transit - both go to the bathroom to take a pee ...
Gunny ignores the Army PFC ...
After they pee, Gunny washes his hands while the Army PFC heads for the door ...
Gunny sarcastically remarks "Ya know boy - in the Marines they teach us to wash our hands after peeing!"
The Army PFC responds ...
"Well Gunny, in Army Basic they told us not to piss on our hands or they'd transfer ya to the Marines."
There are multiple variations - all with Gunny.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 04:05 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo - ROTFLOL
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 08:29 PM (yONeR)
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A prominent ex-SEAL's opinion:
A point should be made here about the way Americans tend to regard the act of killing. Like most of my generation, I grew up on Western movies where the hero--Hopalong or Roy or Gene--chivalrously tosses his gun aside after the black-hatted villain runs out of bullets and subdues the bad guy with his bare fists. This may work on celluloid, but not in real life. In real life you shoot the m[]f[]er and you kill him dead--whether or not he is armed; whether or not he is going for his gun; whether he looks dangerous or appears benign. That way, you stay alive and your men
stay alive. Many of our senior officers do not believe this. They would rather that *we* got killed than our enemies did. That attitude is stupid and it is wrong.
-- Richard Marcinko, _Rogue Warrior_, 1992
Elsewhere in the same book he scorns martial arts, saying that if you were having to duke it out with an enemy you must have f'd up your mission big time.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at December 18, 2005 10:29 PM (ZpL55)
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Don't confuse Martial Arts which are a sport and art form judged by style with Combatives. In all my years I have never seen the Martial Arts viewed as anything more than a physical training and fitness tool.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 10:51 PM (3aakz)
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The Army also teaches combatives. Have been since [at least] Viet nam. They also teach that 'hand-to-hand' is a last resort technique. Forget the macho bs, real soldiers kill with the best available weapon and have no compuction about it.
To paraphrase my Army SSgt [and combat veteran] son; "In the Marines they teach jarheads how to die; in the Army they teach us how to fight to win and then fight another day."
Posted by: Charlie at December 19, 2005 08:36 AM (2ZhL/)
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As an Army veteran( Viet Nam era) What do you guys think of this Krav Maga? The Israelies teach it to the civilians since they are always under attack. I think some of our troops are taught it today. I just don't know much about it. Hey in combat you do what is necessary to survive. I have the deepest respect for every branch I ever met.Each one has good guys and ass holes alike.
Posted by: Jim B. at December 19, 2005 06:26 PM (etD1T)
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Yes Hondo, multiple variations dating back to George Washington.
God bless the Marine Corps. First in every thing.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 21, 2005 04:40 AM (pSK/I)
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Unlike men and women in the other branches of the armed forces, every Marine is taught how to fight hand-to-hand, up close and personal.
I have to respectfully disagree. The new Army Combatives Training plan was pieced together by the 4th Ranger Training Brigade, with the consult of Royce Gracie. This new Army Combative Plan is heavily steeped in Brazilian Jujitsu. Much better than the 1930's era fisticuffs that I was taught when I first joined the service.
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Nightmare...Yeah, Sure
Cochabamba, Bolivia - Evo Morales, a leftist lawmaker and strident US critic who is leading Bolivia's presidential race, closed his campaign on Thursday, saying his movement was "a nightmare for the United States".
Thousands of Bolivians packed a soccer stadium in this central Bolivian city as Morales made a final plea for votes in his bid to become the country's first indigenous president in Sunday's election.
Morales, whose defense of coca leaf-growing has made him a pariah in Washington, said his Movement to Socialism party was a "political force that has the North Americans trembling."
It "is a nightmare for the United States", he said.
I'm trembling, are you trembling?
Such a nightmare, whatever shall we do.
I know, when the awesome military might of the hyper-power Bolivia appears on the horizon off of our coasts, I shall dutifully urinate in my underwear and hide under the bed.
I've got a better idea. We need divine help in this crisis.
Dear Lord our God, we pray to you in our hour of need.
Our children cry, our women weep, our men cower in fear.
O God, please deliver us, your faithful, from the terrible onslaught of mighty prospective Bolivian (which is similar to Bovine, but not necessarily the same) president what's-his-name.
Save us O Lord, for we have no other recourse.
Amen.
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I know I'll barely sleep tonight.
Posted by: The Unabrewer at December 18, 2005 08:16 AM (edSga)
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He's likely to cutoff our supply of llamas. Troubling.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 08:35 AM (8e/V4)
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"I know, when the awesome military might of the hyper-power Bolivia appears on the horizon off of our coasts, I shall dutifully urinate in my underwear and hide under the bed."
You won't the only one to pull up a deck chair, grab a cold Huari from the cooler and watch the antics. It's likely they'll be lost and drifting at the mercy of the wind. If they get too close to shore, we can have fun skipping flat rocks until we sink their raft.
Posted by: Dusty at December 18, 2005 08:41 AM (8RfU1)
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Although it sounds funny, if they start giving aid and shelter to our enemies, which they probably will, it wouldn't be good. On the other hand though, a few well-placed bombs would pretty much clear things up.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 10:32 AM (0yYS2)
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Never waste good ordinance on an ant hill. They want to be drug producers - fine - let'em. Our sole goal should be increased efforts to keep drugs out and attack the glamore of home usage and demand. I think we can do that and stop wasting our time trying to help these dipshit backwater countries.
What are they going to do? - their going to produce cocaine bigtime openingly and supply - guess who? - their own people, other SA countries, Europe, tourists etc.
Drugs, crime, corruption etc - they are welcome to it. La Paz will become a hot stop for everything - gangs, addicts, prostitution - big boom in the sex tour trade (the euros will love it!).
And all those poor peasant farmers ... they will all be working for the Patrons - and if they don't like the price or work hard enough - the death squads will be back in business.
Fuck Bolivia - God knows they want to fuck themselves.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 10:58 AM (3aakz)
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You can thank Chavez for this. Now every Latin American politician thinks that he's got to talk tough against the USA to get any respect. Nothing's going to come of this because unlike Chavez, Bolivia has nothing to back it up - no disposable currency, no first rate military hardware, no oil or natural gas. I don't foresee them giving aid to any of America's enemies because they aren't in a position to get away with pissing off the US. If anything, Morales will be thinking about how he's going to go hit up the US Ambassador for some more handouts.
Posted by: Graeme at December 18, 2005 12:26 PM (zni8O)
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It's not just Chavez Graeme, he is merely a symptom of a psychosis that infects the populace of Latin America, as well as much of the rest of the world. Read
Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot, available on Amazon, it explains in detail exactly what is wrong with the Spanish Speaking world, and what should be done about it.
And hondo, I have to disagree. An anthill is the perfect place to demonstrate our intolerance for stupidity. If this moron is elected, we should immediately recall the embassy, order all Americans out, and eject all Bolivians from our country, upon pain of imprisonment as enemy agents. That is, if we had leaders with balls and brains instead of that simpering idiot Bush, who seems determined to let our domestic enemies do what the foreign ones can't.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 01:21 PM (0yYS2)
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maxie
Like your taste in reading material - excellent book! Latin America keeps repeating its history over & over & over again. A treadmill to nowhere. From one leftist dictator to rightist dictator - another military junta (left or right) - from the Patrons to the collectives - guerillas here there everywhere like seasons always changing - always repeating.
God! I feel sorry for those people! Obviously I have a soft spot for the latin flavor - so much potential yet so much nothing comes of it.
200 years of almost(s) - like the author said - we get blamed for it all irrationally out of a pyschosis more akin to anti-sementism than ideology. They just don't have enough Jews to blame.
I don't want to drop bombs on them - I still like them and hope one day they will wake up.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 02:13 PM (3aakz)
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Liking someone has nothing to do with whether or not you need to bomb them. Regardless, I have a unique view on the matter. I think that this out-of-control Hispanic immigration to our country will ultimately benefit both cultures, because we need their groundedness and work ethic, and they need our business and political models. The only trick is not getting assimilated into their culture, while trying to assimilate them into ours. Our adaptabiliy is an extreme advantage in this game however, and as we're playing a home game, we have advantages that far outweigh our paucity in numbers of people in the culture. This also explains why our military "punches above its weight" as it were; we can adapt, and those who cannot adapt do not survive. Survival is the only thing that matters, ultimately, and whatever we have to do to survive if fine by me.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 04:33 PM (0yYS2)
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Sigh. I beg to disagree, Vinnie. This thug will join the other two thugs in the hemisphere and control all the energy for South America. That's bad news for Argentina, Chile and Brazil and will drive up commodity prices. Like inflation? This guy's gonna give you inflation. Watch copper, iodine, and lithium prices, have fun, and check out that knock-on effect as it filters through all industry. Meanwhile, Marxism will make the place a hopeless basket case so get ready for more immigration. And aid bills. You think we won't pay for this? We'll pay, especially when Bono gets involved. We won't get our llamas cut off, we'll get more Chiclet sellers, this time wearing alpaca. Enjoy. Not only that, the guy loves cocaine. He says he's 'only' gonna legalize the coca leaf but somehow he has a way of not watching what the locals do when they aren't under the watch of anti-drug enforcement. You think they're gonna just stand there and chew? Don't think so. If you're nostalgic for the Carter-era age of crack cocaine and the pre-Giuliani world of mugger's delight, you'll just love Evo Morales. Meanwhile, prepare for the hug- and kissfests between Morales, Maradona, Kirchner, Castro, and Chavez, all of whom will think up ways to do unpleasant things to Uncle Sam. They'll prance around the UN, OAS, World Bank or whoever and denounce us for human rights violations or whatever else they can think of. When you get Evo, you don't just get Evo, but a whole package of offal. You get that whole group and that group is getting bigger. You think it's just Evo? It's not.
I hope to god the guy gets passed over by congress in favor of ... well, just about anyone else.
Posted by: A.M. Mora y Leon at December 18, 2005 04:44 PM (IUqSE)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 06:30 PM (0yYS2)
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Good post, and informative.
But it still doesn't scare me. I'm an American, fer chrissakes.
We've weathered far worse than anything these clowns could throw at us.
When an assclown like Evo makes remarks like this, the best thing to do is flip off the computer screen and laugh at him.
Posted by: Vinnie at December 18, 2005 06:53 PM (Kr6/f)
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You can thank Chavez for this.
Castro, not Chavez. Chavez is just aping his boyfriend now.
Posted by: h0mi at December 19, 2005 12:47 AM (doE7X)
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This post, and especially the replies to it, are a fantastic example of what is wrong with the US and why it is hated the way it is.
First off, let me say that I, like any other educated, level-headed latin american with any integrity left, despise the whole Castro-Chavez-Morales axis. These people are wrecking our continent. But they are doing it with the aid of many like those who have posted here. You make fun of these (and I quote) "dipshit backwater countries", hiding comfortably behind your aircraft carriers and ICBMs. I guess they were really helpful on 9/11.
What you have to understand is that there is a true hatred of the US here that has been brewing for centuries, and it stems exactly from your kinds of attitudes. You have taken our wealth and toppled our governments left and right however you've seen fit, and yet you have the nerve to later come with this "we're only trying to help" holier-than-thou attitude. If you were to actually study the history books you would find that, despite all the mistakes we've made (and I will go ahead and take some of the collective historical blame for actions in which I had no part), you've had a hand in more of our misery than you might imagine. So before feeling all righteous about all your help, go look at the big picture, and tally all your 'contributions' for the past couple of centuries.
That said, I don't wanna come off as anti-american. You will find that most of us admire many of your qualities (hell, millions of people dream of going to the US), but simply cannot tolerate the "to hell with everyone" attitude that has characterized your foreign policy. And, among the most liberal-minded of us, who incidentally are probably YOUR GREATEST ALLIES in the region (yes, you read that right! I am one of them!), we particularly hate the fact that your hubris is only helping these populist clowns sweep to power based on these underlying emotions.
If only you could try some modesty and acknowledging of your past mistakes (instead of the bully's typical "I don't care if I was wrong, I'll bomb their asses into oblivion if they dare protest"), you would find that, instead of the Morales of the world preaching your evilness, others like me would be advocating the importance of cordial relations with you. But, damn, are you making our jobs difficult.
And by the way, you have absolutely no right, nor moral standing, to call the entire population of a country stupid because of electing a certain leader. As stated before, I despise Morales; still, I recognize that it was the will of a SOVEREIGN nation, and instead of chastizing them, I will now cross my fingers and hope they make the best of it (difficult as it may be). You can ask anyone in the world what we think of you electing someone like Bush, TWICE; and yet we have respected your decision. Can you grant us the same privilege?
Posted by: Daniel at December 19, 2005 01:53 AM (z/BVS)
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Doesn't sound like you read my post, Daniel.
Posted by: A.M. Mora y Leon at December 19, 2005 08:34 AM (IUqSE)
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Daniel, you have a good argument. The only point I would debate you on is your implication that Bush can be compared to some of the dictators elected in South America. And your conception that anyone here is attacking every citizen of South America.
The problem is not so much our individual citizens here in the US as it is the bad propaganda disseminated in South America by these dictatorships in South America. And with your argument you do not include other countries that exploit your citizens and prop up the dictators and drug gangs? Spain is selling arms to Chavez. Nice, huh? Many in Canada, France, the UK and others just want to enjoy cheap service in lavish seaside resorts ignoring that those who wait on them hand and foot go home to slums at the end of their shift. Human rights abusers from other countries love to dodge indictments from world courts and hide in South America with impunity. And there's so much more. Why single out America to the exclusion of all else?
As far as the governments elected in South America? Wouldn't it be nice to have more choices than Morales or Chavez? Who's exploiting who here? It's our fault your only choices are those who want to cozy up to Castro on an anti-American platform? How about internal law enforcement? It's non existent throughout much of South America. Corruption - rampant.
I understand you're upset, but we are not the sole source of all the ills in South America. I know it's convenient to blame us for everything.
Posted by: Oyster at December 19, 2005 08:39 AM (YudAC)
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Good post, Daniel. I agree with a lot of what you said with regard to the relationship between the US and Latin America in general. I've spent several summers in Latin American countries and have found the people to be both anti and pro American. A strange dichotomy that is difficult to explain.
That said, let me say this. The problem with Latin America is mostly with the people of Latin America. Ever since the Spanish settled and conquered the region, the people have almost always set up institutions and governments that are both anti-democratic and economically weak.
There is no reason that most nations in LA cannot be democratic and properous. The economic systems that are successful are out there for everyone to see. The Japanese, for example, are not rich in resources, but have put an economic system in place that insures success.
I realize that stability is an important aspect of an economic system, and if there is a major flaw in LA, perhaps it is the lack of stability in most countries. But Mexico has been stable for a long period of time, and it still contiues to make the same mistakes.
And Daniel, don't make too much of what you read on a blog. Most Americans don't think that Bolivia or any other LA country should just be bombed for electing whoever its leader. Those kinds of statements are made, but even most of the people who make them do not really mean it.
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Daniel, determined to prove to us he is the
Perfect Latin American Idiot, wrote:
"This post, and especially the replies to it, are a fantastic example of what is wrong with the US and why it is hated the way it is."
You mean because of petty jealousy and ignorance on the part of everyone who is too big a loser to make their own country succeed?
"First off, let me say that I, like any other educated, level-headed latin american with any integrity left, despise the whole Castro-Chavez-Morales axis. These people are wrecking our continent."
But...
"But they are doing it with the aid of many like those who have posted here."
/cough
bullshitcough
"You make fun of these (and I quote) "dipshit backwater countries", hiding comfortably behind your aircraft carriers and ICBMs."
Yeah, that's pretty much the way it works. I haver nothing personal against Hispanics, and generally tend to like them better than most people on average, because Hispanics and Southerners are very much alike in many ways, but if the people of Bolivia are determined to prove it by making an enemy of the most powerful nation on earth, then let's call it like it is; they're idiots.
"I guess they were really helpful on 9/11."
Idiots like you always try to blame us for the actions and failings of others, but its your culture that has proven to be the biggest failure in the hemisphere, as Arabs are the biggest failure in the East, outside of Africa. America is the only nation on the face of the earth that is truly free and prosperous, which is why everyone hates us, but they still want to come here.
"What you have to understand is that there is a true hatred of the US here that has been brewing for centuries, and it stems exactly from your kinds of attitudes."
So since so many Hispanics like you have such shitty attitudes, that means its okay to hate you?
"You have taken our wealth and toppled our governments left and right however you've seen fit, and yet you have the nerve to later come with this "we're only trying to help" holier-than-thou attitude."
That's idiotic communist propaganda bullshit lies and you know it, but you're too stupid to wise up. Moron.
"If you were to actually study the history books you would find that, despite all the mistakes we've made (and I will go ahead and take some of the collective historical blame for actions in which I had no part), you've had a hand in more of our misery than you might imagine."
You mean like the fact that we tried to drag you out of the 18th century into the 20th? Yeah, sorry for trying to help you modernize, because you, as a culture, clearly don't deserve it.
"So before feeling all righteous about all your help, go look at the big picture, and tally all your 'contributions' for the past couple of centuries."
How about we just close the borders and leave you to starve? Oh wait, you probably live in the US, so it would only be those who are oppressed by tyrannical governments that starve. Hispanic governments are far more racist, corrupt, and brutal than any American government, yet you deign to judge us. Hypocrite and moron. How nice.
"That said, I don't wanna come off as anti-american."
Too late for that. Why don't you move to Cuba and join the glorious revolution? Oh that's right, you like to talk like you're an idiot, but you don't really believe the crap you say. Which makes you a typical liberal, anti-American hypocrite.
"You will find that most of us admire many of your qualities (hell, millions of people dream of going to the US), but simply cannot tolerate the "to hell with everyone" attitude that has characterized your foreign policy."
Yeah, we said to hell with the Afghans and Iraqis by bringing them democracy and the rule of law, didn't we? Dipshit.
"And, among the most liberal-minded of us, who incidentally are probably YOUR GREATEST ALLIES in the region (yes, you read that right! I am one of them!), we particularly hate the fact that your hubris is only helping these populist clowns sweep to power based on these underlying emotions."
Bull. Shit.
"If only you could try some modesty and acknowledging of your past mistakes (instead of the bully's typical "I don't care if I was wrong, I'll bomb their asses into oblivion if they dare protest"), you would find that, instead of the Morales of the world preaching your evilness, others like me would be advocating the importance of cordial relations with you. But, damn, are you making our jobs difficult."
What we should try is finding and killing all the ungrateful morons like you in the world who are too goddamn stupid to see the good we've tried to do.
"And by the way, you have absolutely no right, nor moral standing, to call the entire population of a country stupid because of electing a certain leader."
Hey, majority rules. Americans were stupid, twice, to elect Bubba, so Bolivians don't get a free pass either.
"As stated before, I despise Morales; still, I recognize that it was the will of a SOVEREIGN nation, and instead of chastizing them, I will now cross my fingers and hope they make the best of it (difficult as it may be)."
And you hope he gets elected, despite the ruin he will bring Bolivia, just so you can laugh at the US. Moron.
"You can ask anyone in the world what we think of you electing someone like Bush, TWICE; and yet we have respected your decision."
No you haven't.
"Can you grant us the same privilege?"
If Hispanics aren't smart enough to stop voting for people like Fox, Chavez, et al, then they deserve the derision that is sure to follow. Once this idiot in Bolivia gets elected, he will systematically pillage the national economy and set up a Swiss bank account just like every other dictator, and the people will deserve every bit of the misery they get until they wise up and do something to correct their mistake.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 10:40 AM (0yYS2)
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Nothing like saying "Bull Shit" in response to a well reasoned argument. Daniel makes some good points. You don't have to agree with him, but at least try to show some respect. Ironically, you're just proving one of his key points.
Anyway, for another interesting article on why this election is important to both Bolivians AND Americans, check out:
http://theshapeofdays.com/2005/12/we_can_smell_the_smoke_can_the_flames_be_far_behind.html
Posted by: Ben at December 19, 2005 10:52 AM (OpCFk)
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Let 'em grow coca, fer crissakes... it's the cheapest and most effective tool against altitude sickness they've got. And if you lived in the Bolivian highlands, you'd be concerned about that, too.
Not, mind you, that I'm losing sleep over YET ANOTHER latin-american leftist.
Posted by: Russ at December 19, 2005 11:37 AM (eRsMQ)
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Hey Ben, I don't have to show respect for idiotic propaganda bullshit lies, and you're a moron for not seeing it for what it is, no matter how well it is presented. Bullshit wrapped in Christmas paper with a big red bow is still bullshit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 01:53 PM (0yYS2)
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First off, I'd like to thank those of you who took the time to actually read and write sensible replies to my post, whatever our differences in opinion. It's great to see that some people can still be reasoned with. The others, I will ignore, for I definitely think americans are smarter, more mature and more tolerating than that.
It strikes me that there are two points which I did not clearly make in my original post (although I meant to):
1) I completely understand and accept that most of the mistakes we in Latin America have made (and, as the news show, continue making) in government are ours and ours alone (as I implied before, I am still young to consider many of those my own, but I accept the collective responsibility and I am definitely trying my best to make it better). Frankly, those are the big issues to solve, the ones I really lose sleep over, and what pisses me off is that those efforts get sidetracked by populist clowns exploiting these sentiments in the population which, although they stem from the truth, shouldn't really be the focus of our concerns today.
2) Of the external factors which have negatively affected us, I do not in any way want to make it look like the US is the only one to blame. Oyster, for instance, has a great point with Spain's Rodriguez Zapatero cozying up to Chavez. Believe me, we have our problems with other powers as well (for instance, the unexplainable support most of Europe gave to the FARC terrorists for decades, thinking they were some sort of romantic popular army while they slaughtered peasants and kidnapped our families). I centered on the US in my post in response to the comments above, which were undoubtedly from americans, and because it is clearly at the center of the populists' rhetoric.
What I would like americans to understand is that there are many of us who are on your side, although not unconditionally; we could not possibly turn a blind eye to the wrongs you've made, just as we cannot ignore our own. Failure to do any of those would be hypocritical. If you would be so kind as to show a little less arrogance and a little more repentance, it would help us a lot to focus on our own issues and get cooler heads to prevail.
If my previous post seemed a bit aggressive, I apologize, but I have to admit that reading some of those things really hurts our pride, especially for those of us who have put ourselves on the line here with daring to suggest, in often adverse political climates, that it is important to keep a relationship of mutual understanding with the US.
To Oyster: I did not mean to compare Bush to the dictators of the region; I meant that your choices of leadership can evoke feelings just as strong among us as ours seem to evoke on you. The only way out of that is respect for our sovereignty.
To A.M. Mora y Leon: Actually, I did your post, and found it among the most insightful here. Very good points that very few people seem to understand. Actually, the only reason I got here was by following a link from your story in Publius Pundit.
I would now like to briefly abandon the high ground and make two quick personal points (I probably shouldn't, but I guess I'm also human). First, to whoever suggested I probably actually live in the US: I don't, nor would I like to. I am also putting my money where my mouth is, since I have actually had some pretty lucrative offers to go there. I am a part of the generation who thinks we're lucky to be educated and we have to stay here and fight the battles for a better future.
Second: I found it particularly funny that I was called a 'leftist', since I lean a lot closer to the right on many aspects in our political spectrum. Hell, leftists here would burn me at the stake for several of the things I've said. I am probably a prototypical Chavez "puppy of the empire". Heh.
Posted by: Daniel at December 19, 2005 02:31 PM (z+xEh)
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I can't believe a tongue-in-cheek post that took less than 5 minutes to throw up, making fun of a guy who issued threats to my country, generated this type of reaction.
Fascinating.
Posted by: Vinnie at December 19, 2005 05:42 PM (Kr6/f)
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Daniel, while I appreciate your candor, I hope you understand one thing. This is something that many outside our borders just don't get. You'll find that your first comment would get a standing ovation from some here in the states, but they are the ones that have displayed an utter contempt for the country they were lucky enough to be born in and believe there is nothing good here at all. They seek to tear it down at any cost and by siding with dictators and terrorists and always, always, blame America first. You read the news, I know. You see the strife here between those who seek a communist utopia and those of us who want to
stay free.
However, the majority are of the mind that while we know we aren't perfect, when someone puts us down, in spite of our own in-house petty bickering, we stand together and don't take kindly to being berated for the errors of past administrations. Or when we've done the right thing yet those who were on the receiving end of our honest efforts fail to carry on. And yes, errors have been made. But unlike many governments and people, we try to correct them. As a people, we try to make good and we are very, very generous of heart and wallet.
It's really a shame that others perceive us or our government to have a "to hell with everyone else" attitude. Mostly it's not that at all. More often it's just that unpopular decisions are made, but even if they're the right decisions people perceive it as we just don't care because we didn't appease the right people. We're not politically correct enough.
The anti-Americanism in the world doesn't have the legs some think it does. It's more a psychosis than a real gripe. It's become much like the anti-semitism around the world. Ask an anti-semite why they hate the Jews and they can't give you a straight answer. We try to work with other governments in ways to benefit us both and get double-talk and subterfuge and then the benefits never seem to trickle down to the people of the other governments. I won't hit on every issue, but I think you get my drift.
And look around the world. How many times have we given out of the goodness of our hearts only to be stabbed in the back because we didn't do "enough" or didn't help the "right" people. It was too little or it was too late. And if we do more, we're seen as trying to
buy a favorable opinion. We can't win. Everyone thinks we have ulterior motives and refuse to believe we would do anything selflessly. After a while one just gets disgusted and says, "fuck it", "fuck everbody". But we don't really mean it and we keep trying anyway.
Anyone that can't see these things and somehow believes that we're so different than anyone else is willfully blind.
Posted by: Oyster at December 19, 2005 06:03 PM (YudAC)
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Another castro bootlicker why dont all the hollywood left as well as the jerk JIMMY CATRER go down there and live
Posted by: sandpiper at December 20, 2005 09:11 AM (jAP6C)
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Can we do an exchange program? Maybe we could send all of our liberal scum in exchange for everyone who voted against this primitive moron.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 20, 2005 11:38 AM (0yYS2)
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Bolivians must have got their courage from the Butch Cassidy killing. They probably still have the same weapons.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 21, 2005 04:36 AM (pSK/I)
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Jawapalooza: On Tour
Rusty Shackleford will be heading to Birmingham, AL tomorrow evening to spend his birthday in a strange town without the family. If anybody wants to take pity on me and show me the town, just drop an e-mail and I'll try and write back from the hotel sometime in the early evening. (Which reminds me,
it's Professor Chaos's birthday tomorrow too. Happy b-day man.)
After that it's time for my annual upstream migration to the pond that spawned me, Los Angeles, for the holidays. Again, e-mail if you want to hang and we can work schedules out.
I'll also be in Atlanta, GA on Jan 5th and 6th. Then Chicago in April. Then London in May......The Jawapalooza Tour: Coming to a city near you!
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Hmm...Chicago's not far.
Posted by: Vinnie at December 18, 2005 03:56 AM (Kr6/f)
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Agent Smith was running a search and only found Jihadidad.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 18, 2005 06:56 AM (+5j5X)
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Phoenix! What about Phoenix!
Posted by: Macker at December 18, 2005 10:03 AM (D4Apj)
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There's a really good nouveau Southern restaurant in Birmingham, but I can't remember its name. Just ask though, I'm sure anyone will know.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 10:33 AM (0yYS2)
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London?!? You're a wus -- don't you ever listen to Third Eye Blind?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at December 18, 2005 08:40 PM (Ms7XN)
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What is so wrong with Philadelphia? It is the birthplace of liberty after all. Don't you professors dig that stuff?
Posted by: Gordon at December 19, 2005 07:52 AM (JwR1N)
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Gordo---that's labor day weekend. APSA will be in town.
Posted by: Steve the LLamabutcher at December 19, 2005 09:54 AM (idETs)
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I sent you an email but just in case it gets lumped in with the hot teens offering you cheap pharmaceuticals to lower your m0rtgage...there's a bunch of us in the ATL area if you want to meet up while you're in town.
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December 17, 2005
Senator Says New York Times Endangered Country In Order To Sell Book
As I
posted Friday at TDPB, the
Drudge Report has
revealed that the
New York Times apparently lied about the reason for the timing of their NSA eavesdropping
story. In fact, the story's release date was timed to help hype a book by reporter James Risen (State of WAR: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration). Now a US Senator has taken notice.
From the Associated Press:
"At least two senators that I heard with my own ears cited this as a reason why they decided to vote to not allow a bipartisan majority to reauthorize the Patriot Act," said Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas. "Well, as it turns out the author of this article turned in a book three months ago and the paper, The New York Times, failed to reveal that the urgent story was tied to a book release and its sale by its author."
The
Times has gone into damage-control mode:
A call to The New York Times' Washington bureau was referred to spokeswoman Catherine Mathis, who could not be reached immediately.
Now it's time for a Special Prosecutor to subpoena the reporters, so that the government employees who leaked highly classified national security information to them can be given a new home in Leavenworth.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto, where the New York Times is regularly rochambeaued.
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"Well, as it turns out the author of this article turned in a book three months ago and the paper, The New York Times, failed to reveal that the urgent story was tied to a book release and its sale by its author"
Whats the tie? 3 months ago?
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 11:43 PM (YViDI)
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Doesn't the book also include information, that they originally agreed to keep out of the news article too? in the interests of "security".
Like I said, should sell like a new Tom Clancy novel.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 12:33 AM (CcXvt)
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actus, Risen turned in his manuscript thee months ago. The book is scheduled for release in January. That's the "tie".
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 18, 2005 01:10 AM (RHG+K)
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Agent Brown is mad the Architect's cat is loose.
Agent Smith says the New Yawkka reporters who sat on the story for a whole year are a bunch of sellout pussies.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 18, 2005 01:33 AM (+5j5X)
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If they want to find the leaks - start with the congressional leaders who were briefed on the program a dozen times. I assume that along with the appropriate committee chairs they included the ranking Dem in those sessions.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at December 18, 2005 07:15 AM (DdRjH)
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Risen is another hard leftist who suffers from BDS. (Bush Derangement Syndrome) He had a lot of training on his political perspective working for the LA Times before the NYT. He'll will do anything if it hurts Bush politically.
He wrote a book with Milt Bearden about the CIA during the Cold War -
The Inside Story of the CIA's Final Showdown with the KGB. Bearden was the head of the CIA's Soviet/ Eastern European division and was the source of all the information. He also headed up a covert action program in Afghanistan in the late eighties so he wasn't just a CIA lackey. I wonder how much information Bearden is still privy to and if he is still Risen's source. If we want to look beyond Risen, Bearden would be a good start.
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 07:52 AM (YudAC)
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"actus, Risen turned in his manuscript thee months ago. The book is scheduled for release in January. That's the "tie"."
So when should they have released it? a year ago?
And also, what exactly is the danger? do the terrorists not know that we have a FISA court that can okay exactly this sort of surveillance?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 08:59 AM (YViDI)
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Indeed Actus, do these bumbling morons not know that after taking a class on altering an RPG's timing mechanism to destroy Helicopters rotors, the neophyte terrorist then takes classes on American law?
How foolish do you guys look now?
"Hey, Ackmed? do you mind if I copy your paper, I forgot which amendment number is which on this Zionist pig law"
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 11:50 AM (CcXvt)
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"Indeed Actus, do these bumbling morons not know that after taking a class on altering an RPG's timing mechanism to destroy Helicopters rotors, the neophyte terrorist then takes classes on American law?
Or even, do these terrorists care whether FISA warrants are pursued correctly or not?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 12:33 PM (YViDI)
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Much like you, Actus the terrorist believe the worst about America. They probably believe our intelligence is gathered by a fortune telling machine, that is fueled by the freshly plucked eyes of Palastinian children, the blood we use to serve to our thirsty Jewish masters.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 01:03 PM (CcXvt)
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Hmm...somehow, I doubt we're going to see any reporters prosecuted for reporting about illegal wiretaps and evesdropping. I mean, if the NSA couldn't even obtain them legally through the Patriot Act, I don't see how this will turn out into anything more than an embarassment for the government.
Posted by: Venom at December 18, 2005 02:27 PM (dbxVM)
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* "...to see any reporters or government employees prosecuted..."
Posted by: Venom at December 18, 2005 02:29 PM (dbxVM)
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"Or even, do these terrorists care whether FISA warrants are pursued correctly or not?"
Actus, of
course they don't care! But they will be ever so pleased to find out that new laws may be passed preventing it from being done at all. In that case, it would be another battle won for them and they can begin planning, with impunity, another 9/11. How nice that some of us are thinking of them and how hard it has been for them to plan another attack.
As Dave said (in so many words): we can't make them "uncomfortable" should we capture any of them, we can't use any "unconventional" means in which to fight them and soon we may not even be allowed to "pursue" them.
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 03:48 PM (YudAC)
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I don't know whether liberals actually want another 9/11 on W's watch so that they can blame the GOP, or whether they're just idiotic simpletons who don't understand the gravity of the situation. I do know one thing though, they sure as hell don't understand Ben Franklin in the least.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 04:39 PM (0yYS2)
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it seems the haters are desperately trying to deflect attention away from the successful third elections in Iraq.
Posted by: MathewK at December 18, 2005 05:18 PM (pVHqF)
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The haters don't realize that if a nuke goes off in this country the ensuing clampdown will make martial law look like anarchy. It will be the end of our civil liberties forever if a nuke goes off. So please, STFU and let Bush do his job.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 06:40 PM (8e/V4)
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"Actus, of course they don't care! But they will be ever so pleased to find out that new laws may be passed preventing it from being done at all."
We already have laws that prevent people going around FISA.
"soon we may not even be allowed to "pursue" them."
Will we be able to "scare quote" our way to victory?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 07:06 PM (YViDI)
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Not sure, We have to win. Otherwise I'll be dead, and you'll be in a Burqa, being used as a human footstool for a guy named Mustafa.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 08:02 PM (CcXvt)
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"Otherwise I'll be dead, and you'll be in a Burqa, being used as a human footstool for a guy named Mustafa."
Why will I be in a Burqua?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 10:24 PM (YViDI)
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They like their Dhimmi's subservient.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 10:32 PM (CcXvt)
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actus, let's analyze the "burqa" statement. Perhaps dave was simply trying to create a metaphor to characterize the existential angst you would feel at finding yourself as a subject of a strict Islamic Caliphate.
On the other hand, maybe he's just calling you a pussy.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 18, 2005 10:35 PM (RHG+K)
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"We already have laws that prevent people going around FISA."
Actus, that's not in particular what I meant. You're very adept at taking any comment posted here and twisting it into anything
but its original intent.
If you can't understand why I used quotation marks around certain words in my comment and that is the best response you can come up with (not to mention your following comment) then your end of the discussion has become counter productive in its uselessness.
I'd say you just like the sound of your own voice, but in this case, you probably just like to hear the clicking of the keyboard as you type. Arguing with you is like talking to a sign post and about as constructive. I grow tired of your elementary remarks and lack of comprehension. Far too much time is wasted explaining the finer points of any issue with you. If you just want to expound on your obvious contempt for anyone's viewpoint here then I'd say you've already achieved that and should move on to other realms. I hear panterachat has an awesome message board.
Posted by: Oyster at December 19, 2005 07:12 AM (YudAC)
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Bluto, my vote goes with door #2. Rectus like to talk tough and make threats, but he's a big loser nancy-boy who doesn't have the balls to fight his country's enemies, though he can anonymously threaten its decorated veterans on the internet.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 01:56 PM (0yYS2)
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Waiter, There's A Fly In My Bongwater
What the President said today about the NYT outing of a covert operation that doesn't have the name "Plame" attached to it:
In the weeks following the terrorist attacks on our nation, I authorized the National Security Agency, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations. Before we intercept these communications, the government must have information that establishes a clear link to these terrorist networks.
This is a highly classified program that is crucial to our national security. Its purpose is to detect and prevent terrorist attacks against the United States, our friends and allies. Yesterday the existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports, after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies, and endangers our country.
As the 9/11 Commission pointed out, it was clear that terrorists inside the United States were communicating with terrorists abroad before the September the 11th attacks, and the commission criticized our nation's inability to uncover links between terrorists here at home and terrorists abroad. Two of the terrorist hijackers who flew a jet into the Pentagon, Nawaf al Hamzi and Khalid al Mihdhar, communicated while they were in the United States to other members of al Qaeda who were overseas. But we didn't know they were here, until it was too late.
The authorization I gave the National Security Agency after September the 11th helped address that problem in a way that is fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities. The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9/11 hijackers will be identified and located in time. And the activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad.
The activities I authorized are reviewed approximately every 45 days. Each review is based on a fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of catastrophic damage to our homeland. During each assessment, previous activities under the authorization are reviewed. The review includes approval by our nation's top legal officials, including the Attorney General and the Counsel to the President. I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks, and I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al Qaeda and related groups.
The NSA's activities under this authorization are thoroughly reviewed by the Justice Department and NSA's top legal officials, including NSA's general counsel and inspector general. Leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this authorization and the activities conducted under it. Intelligence officials involved in this activity also receive extensive training to ensure they perform their duties consistent with the letter and intent of the authorization.
This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties. And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the President of the United States.
Apologies to the slack-jawed bushliedpeopledied set. I know it hurts when reality slaps you upside yer melon.
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Countdown to an ACLU lawsuit for release of all national security information gathered in 10,9,8,7.... but it'll only be to protect you from the 'evil' Government, and the damage it causes will be outweighted by the fact the ACLU won a lawsuit against the BusHitlerMcChimpyHaliburton Administration.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 06:24 PM (CcXvt)
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Screw the ACLU. All I want to know about this program is two things: First, is it catching terrorists. It certainly seems to be. Second, is it constitutional. There, we have a problem. Bush claims it is, but the Constitution itself says otherwise. He is relying on legal opinions nobody's seen -- and Harriet Miers! -- to make this determination. I remain unconvinced that the program is constitutional, whether it's "only" targeting terrorists or not.
And the
national security argument on this one is bullshit, too, which anyone who's actually IN the intelligence community can tell you. Nothing the Times printed jeopardizes the program in particular or national security generally.
Posted by: IO ERROR at December 17, 2005 07:03 PM (vhWf1)
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Thank god we have the CIA!
How else would we all hear about the juicy clandestine programs in the morning newspaper?
Just think, in the past we used to have these "national security" programs that remained secret for decades, now we get to read all about them: realtime, like a Tom Clancy novel!
I heard the same defense for the papers leaking that the United States were intercepting phone calls made by Bin Laden on his Satellite telephone.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 07:13 PM (CcXvt)
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The New York Times is redefining the "Classified" section.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at December 17, 2005 07:56 PM (DdRjH)
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Liberal democrats are idiots. Just takes time to prove it. Over and over and over and over again.
IO Error: If the constitution says we cannot use every means are our disposal to protect ourselves then it is time to change it. Remember when it was written and by whom and what did they mean at the time. Then was then. Now is now. Things and conditions change. We either change with them or perish.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 08:26 PM (TBvsM)
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The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
Benjamin Franklin
Posted by: G at December 17, 2005 08:48 PM (dQQ0n)
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Always amazing when the idiots trot out the same old tired quotes of the things the 'founding fathers' said they agree with, and then totally disregard anything else they said, that they don't agree with.
Hey G, you might want to next time quote him verbatim, if you respect Benjamin Franklin so much:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
How about this one:
"I've lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing Proofs I see of this Truth
That God governs in the Affairs of Men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that except the Lord build the House they labor in vain who build it. I firmly believe this, —and I also believe that without his concurring Aid, we shall succeed in this political Building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our Projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a Reproach and Bye word down to future Ages."
Benjamin Franklin.
Did he just say God? someone please page the ACLU.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 09:06 PM (CcXvt)
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Yesterday the white house was all like "shhh, we can't talk about it. Security." Today they blab and blab. Security. Sure.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 10:08 PM (YViDI)
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I want to see the leakers who gave this data to the press punished and an explanation from the press why they have acted so reckless with utter disregard for national security and the safety of the America n people.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at December 17, 2005 11:07 PM (1fKmK)
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Ask Karl Rove (hee hee hee)
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 11:11 PM (3aakz)
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>>>The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
This isn't about "freedom", it's about privacy. Please don't try to confuse the two just so you can unfurl your pithy sayings that don't even apply.
I don't have less freedom because I might have less privacy. We sacrifice privacy all the time. And if we can sacrifice privacy for the sake of our credit rating, I'm sure we can make a far smaller sacrifice of privacy for our national security, and for our very lives.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 11:47 PM (8e/V4)
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It never ceases to amaze me how rectus manages to so completely miss the mark every time. For someone who can string together a sentence better than the average moonbat idiot, he's still not too damned bright.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 01:00 AM (0yYS2)
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IM,
they are SUCH morons. They operate on platitudes and emotions. It's unbelievable. We're talking about privacy, but let's quote Benjamin Franklin on freedom! yippee! score one for the good guys! morons.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 01:14 AM (8e/V4)
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Agent Smith quotes Benny Goodman.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 18, 2005 06:57 AM (+5j5X)
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"Thank god we have the CIA!
How else would we all hear about the juicy clandestine programs in the morning newspaper?"
Why would the CIA know about an NSA program?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 09:00 AM (YViDI)
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Actus: was that a serious question?
Who do you think provides signal intelligence to the CIA?
You might have watched a few too many episodes of the X-Files, the NSA/CIA do work together.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 11:02 AM (CcXvt)
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"Who do you think provides signal intelligence to the CIA?"
THe NSA. And why would the CIA know about the executive order the NSA was working under?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 12:34 PM (YViDI)
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Obviously because of operating procedures, the CIA would be the ones to analyze and identify the foreign parts of the communication, they would know who intercepted the information (NSA) and why it was intercepted.
I guarantee the analysts at the CIA have the security clearance to analyse anything handed to them by the NSA.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 01:00 PM (CcXvt)
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"I guarantee the analysts at the CIA have the security clearance to analyse anything handed to them by the NSA."
Sure. but the article talked about much more than what the CIA needs to analyse.
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 01:54 PM (YViDI)
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The goal of an analyst is to extract needed information, from raw data, all available data is then given to them.
I doubt that an analyst would be the one doing the leaking, however they are managed, by people that are well versed in both matter of policy, and the contents of the data.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 02:04 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
Just keep marching in lock step.....
Posted by: G at December 18, 2005 04:02 PM (dQQ0n)
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Yes, Dave, please stay in step.
With reality.
Remember.
No matter how much you may ever doubt your own sanity.
You're doing better than G.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 04:42 PM (0yYS2)
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I'm not so sure, he feels the need to put words in Ben Franklin's mouth. He must be one of the great ones.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 06:03 PM (CcXvt)
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Great? Hell, he's a legend in his own mind!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 10:44 AM (0yYS2)
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Infidel-Zionist-Crusader Dogs Found Beheaded in Tokyo
Some headlines just write themselves. The
other obvious headline and related dog-eating jokes were deemed too
ethnically insensitive by The Jawa Report editorial board. Which, of course, means that you should feel free to leave them in the comments.
AP:
Some 30 dog heads were found discarded in a moat near Tokyo's main detention center, police said Friday....
The severed heads were mostly decomposed and some of them were skeletal, the police official said. The shape and size of the heads suggested they were of adult dogs, he said, adding that investigators believed no human heads were included....
Late Friday, an 82-year-old man who runs a neighborhood meat shop admitted to dumping the dog heads into the moat, and police are questioning him, public broadcaster NHK and Kyodo News agency said.
The man, whose name was not released, told police that he imported the dogs - frozen and already separated into heads and bodies - from China to sell as food, Kyodo said. All the torsos had been sold, and as there was little interest in the heads, the butcher said he dumped them in the moat, hoping they would be eaten by the fish.
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At least he didn't waste the heads. Those fish could make a meal some day.
Posted by: Ol' BC at December 17, 2005 11:18 AM (Xm1Dz)
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Q: What do you call a guy in Tokyo with 30 dogs?
A: A Rancher
Posted by: Brad at December 17, 2005 11:21 AM (6mUkl)
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Slow news day. Come back when some foreign publishing company in some distant land/culture publishes "How To Serve Man". Now that would be something!
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 11:47 AM (3aakz)
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...looks like Agent Smith has been partying in Tokyo.
Posted by: Jester at December 17, 2005 02:06 PM (0zfa5)
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Agent Smith says every dog has its' day.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 05:43 PM (+5j5X)
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Like Thursday is Pasta night?
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 05:51 PM (3aakz)
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I thought it was the Chinese and Koreans who eat dogs. The Japanese have a more refined palate and usually stick to poisonous fish and things with tentacles. Personally, I would rather eat a dog than something that could kill me just because the head chef went out for a smoke. (I actually saw that on the Discovery channel when the trainee was sure he could slice up that blowfish with no probrem.)
Posted by: slug at December 17, 2005 06:25 PM (DbAnU)
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““Iraqi security forces caught the most wanted man in the country last year, but released him because they didn't know who he was, the Iraqi deputy minister of interior said Thursday.
Hussain Kamal confirmed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi -- the al Qaeda in Iraq leader who has a $25 million bounty on his head -- was in custody at some point last year, but he wouldn't provide further details.”
"More than a year ago the Iraqi police in Falluja captured Zarqawi but released him after three or four hours because they did not recognise him," Hussein Kamal told Reuters.”
http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/zarqawi_caught_released_again.htm
Ooopsie!
Posted by: In-sturgeon at December 17, 2005 06:42 PM (KzOsW)
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Congrats In-sturgeon!
You can get a job at Al-Reuters or Al-Jeezera, you have shown you have the ability to recycle old news, and report it as new.
That story linking was more a job for "the wayback machine."
The Jawa Report commented on it months ago.
It isn't a surprise that no one recognizes him, the media have been circling a picure of him in a goatee and a beanie, for over three years now, despite him looking completely different in recent pictures, and his actual passport photo.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 07:25 PM (CcXvt)
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Congrats Dave!
You can get a job at McDonalds.
“Kamal originally told reporters the story in January but its repetition in a television interview prompted new questions.”
Reuters | December 16, 2005
Posted by: In-sturgeon at December 17, 2005 08:11 PM (KzOsW)
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What was the subject here? Oh yea. Dog heads in Japan. Must be a surplus of dogs. We have a saying here. If you want to get rid of something, tell the Japanese it's good to eat.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 08:32 PM (TBvsM)
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Months and months and months and months ago........
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at December 17, 2005 09:03 PM (JQjhA)
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yeah no kidding.
Al -in-sturgeon-Jeezera here is about to tell us another breaking news story:
"First Man walks on the moon"
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 09:14 PM (CcXvt)
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Too bad the heads were that of Japs, world would be alot better off with fewer people.
Posted by: shelley at December 17, 2005 09:40 PM (OHg65)
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I though we were having dog for the discussion? Who changed the menu?
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 09:57 PM (3aakz)
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 08:00 AM (YudAC)
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Slug,
a few people die every year after consuming fugu.
I've read that if it's prepared properly, some of the toxin remains in the fish, and it makes your tongue numb.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 18, 2005 12:19 PM (CJBEv)
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Steven DB,
Fugu, especially females, harbor a bacteria in their ovaries that produce tetrodotoxin (TTX).
It's a symbiotic relationship between the fish, also commonly known as blowfish, and the bacteria.
TTX acts on voltage-gated sodium channels that control the initiation of an action potential (the nervous impulse carried by the ions Na+ and K+). TTX specifically inhibits the inactivation stage of sodium channel gating, causing a continuous action potential and a persistent nervous impulse that fails to reset.
Therefore, too much TTX causes paralysis and death by asphyxiation.
But, just the right amount leads to a feeling of numbness and euphoria.
Japanese chefs must be specially licensed to prepare fugu. It is a time honored tradition and a chef who causes the death of a patron is expected to commit Seppuku Harikari.
Posted by: in-sturgeon at December 18, 2005 03:03 PM (KzOsW)
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Er, that would be Pufferfish not Blowfish as your link says.
Posted by: In-sturgeon at December 18, 2005 03:06 PM (KzOsW)
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Leave it to a dickhead liberal to attempt to take a joke fun thread and turn it into a serious exercise in mental masturbation.
Loved the bit about the ions (Na+ & K+)
Do you know what a Bronx Cheer is?
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 04:13 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo:"Do you know what a Bronx Cheer is?"
Is it something that clammy-skinned Yankees do in the Bronx?
Posted by: In-sturgeon at December 18, 2005 07:28 PM (KzOsW)
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In japan they like to wok their dogs just wait till the idiots at PETA finds out
Posted by: sandpiper at December 20, 2005 09:14 AM (jAP6C)
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Iran President's Bodyguard Dies in Ambush
Speculation that this is Israel will no doubt be forthcoming. Only problem with that theory......Israel wouldn't have missed.
Tehran, Iran -- One of the bodyguards of IranÂ’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was killed and another wounded when an attempt to ambush the presidential motorcade was thwarted in the southeastern province of Sistan and Baluchestan, according to a semi-official newspaper and local residents.
“At 6:50 pm on Thursday, the lead car in the presidential motorcade confronted armed bandits and trouble-makers on the Zabol-Saravan highway”, the semi-official Jomhouri Islami reported on Saturday.
“In the ensuing armed clash, the driver of the vehicle, who was an indigenous member of the security services, and one of the president’s bodyguards died, while another bodyguard was wounded”, the newspaper, which was founded by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, wrote.
Ahmadinejad traveled to the restive province, where ethnic Baluchis have been fighting for years for autonomy, on Wednesday and returned to Tehran on Friday afternoon. Tehran often refers to anti-government activists and political opponents of the Islamist regime as “bandits” and “trouble-makers”. (I think it's a bit more than that)
The newspaper report made no mention of AhmadinejadÂ’s whereabouts during the attack on his bodyguardsÂ’ vehicle, but Zabol residents reached by telephone said there were rumors in the town that the hard-line president himself was the target of the attack, which took place near Zabol.
“Many people have been rounded up for questioning after the attack and the authorities here were clearly shaken by the incident”, a Zabol resident told Iran Focus.
Anyone wanna bet this is the first in a string of many attempts on this fanatical psychopath?
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I wish the Israelies had done it. He'd be dead now had it been Israel. Too bad they failed.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 17, 2005 07:40 AM (yONeR)
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Agent Smith says Panty-head Jihadidad has used eight lives.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 08:45 AM (7DG91)
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Ever since this idiot got "elected", I've been wondering where the Iranian people stand on the direction he seems to be taking the country. It seems a few of them take exception to his guidance.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 17, 2005 10:05 AM (0yYS2)
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The Israelis wouldn't want to make a martyr out of this guy. As long as he's alive he'll keep being honest about Iranian intentions. Better Ahmadinejihad than someone more savvy to the Western MSM. Even the Guardian can't deny that the A-Man is a budding genocidist.
If the Israelis had a team in Iran they would be much better off wacking the scientists working on the bomb than with a man who would be more powerful as a dead symbol than he is living.
Posted by: Thomas the Wraith at December 17, 2005 10:16 AM (zTWhc)
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There's something else to consider. Currently Saddam Hussein is on trial for killing 140 Shi'a in the town of Dujail after an assassination attempt. Are we going to see the same thing from the Iranians? It's funny how history repeats itself - stuttering all the way.
Expect the roundup of the usual suspects in and around Zabol, never to be heard from again.
Posted by: lawhawk at December 17, 2005 10:43 AM (V89iT)
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Iranians are not arabs - different culture, history, way of life etc. Until the recent Islamic revolution, they really didn't have much of a history with spartan fundamentalist movements.
I've known quite a few Iranians. Anti-shah anti-American -whatever - many never expected an islamic movement - or that it would last this long.
Fundamentalist enforcement inside Iran has typically been haphazard and fuctuates almost daily. Same goes for opposition - from begrudging lazy acceptance to ignoring it. Its a weird place.
Don't know what to make of the assassination attempt. It could be staged - the prelude to a major sociatal purge.
If it is - there are some serious problems coming.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 11:20 AM (3aakz)
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From the George Stephanopolous school of foreign policy. Nice try. Too bad they missed.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 12:44 PM (8e/V4)
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"Israelis don't miss." *snark*
The Israelis miss all the time. They missed in Gaza two days ago.
I guess the 'Israeli as Superman' myth dies hard with the pajamas crowd. Just because your bubbe told you Israelis don't miss doesn't mean it's true Rusty.
I for one agree with the French. Israel is nothin' but a shitty little country. And the shitty people therein are just as prone to fuckups as the rest of the world. Deal with it.
Posted by: gabyspoppy at December 17, 2005 04:16 PM (c7rNU)
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gaguspoopy, obviously your ability to reason is equivalent to your reading skills. The good Dr. did not author this posting.
Posted by: traderrob at December 17, 2005 04:38 PM (3al54)
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Traderrob
I guess we can consider him prone to fuckups on that point.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 04:46 PM (3aakz)
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We can't wish for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad;s death,
he's like your crazy uncle Herbert who just can't wrap his mind around the simple things and entertains everyone at dinner...with nuclear ambitions.
Posted by: Mad Man at December 17, 2005 04:58 PM (K6g1B)
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Fanatics with Nukes!
Interesting related discussion over at WoC. See my comments and scroll the comment thread:
Here and
Here
Posted by: Ron Wright at December 17, 2005 06:16 PM (OMjee)
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I would find it more interesting if I thought Chimpy McMosque actually ran that country.
He doesn't. The true power rests with the mullahs and the Ayatollah.
Those are who, IMSHO, the Israelis would target.
Posted by: Vinnie at December 17, 2005 06:27 PM (Kr6/f)
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Agreed Vin, The Pres of Iran is simply a figurehead with the real power resting with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and to a lesser degree Rafsanjani.
Posted by: traderrob at December 17, 2005 07:04 PM (3al54)
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Posted by: In-sturgeon at December 17, 2005 07:07 PM (KzOsW)
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In -sturgeon: Allready have one. Bought over a month ago.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 08:42 PM (TBvsM)
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Kinky's been playin' his sctick for more than 30 years boy! Where you been?
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 10:02 PM (3aakz)
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Where I's been?
I's been in Texas, yankee boy.
I know he's been around, I've seen him play a dozen times.
Now I'm supporting his run for Governor of Texas.
Q: "Kinky, how will you get the 45,000 signatures that you need for your petition to run as Governor?"
A: " I don't know how many supporters I've got, but I know they're all armed".
Posted by: In-sturgeon at December 18, 2005 02:20 AM (KzOsW)
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Behborn from IRAN, I study commerce in India right now.
I think that this cancer of 21st century (Islamic republic) won't be over by killing a stupid element like its recent president, or by attacking a nuclear site.
But that was a nice try.
Posted by: behborn at December 18, 2005 02:21 AM (gLxu9)
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Behborn: Spoken from someone who knows.
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 08:03 AM (YudAC)
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Never rule out that the mullahs themselves or maybe some other conservative group that is not quite as crazy as Ahmadinejihad wants to get rid of him in order to throw a bone towards the West to get their reactors.
"See Iran without Ahmadinejihad plus reactors is a compromise compared to Iran with Ahmadinejihad plus reactors."
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at December 18, 2005 09:20 AM (WvUov)
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Nothing will change in Iran until the people want it bad enough.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 10:38 AM (0yYS2)
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Only problem with this guy is he speaks the truth - that gets people angry.
Israel's keystone cops called the Mossad have gotten caught red-handed many times. You people give them far too much credit.
Posted by: Scott at December 19, 2005 04:19 PM (nq8Pi)
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Russian Security Report Death of Al Qaeda Leader
(Moscow) Russia's Federal Security Service, FSB, announced Friday that Sheikh Abu Omar Al Seyf, the top al Qaeda leader in the North Caucasus, was killed in the Russian Republic of Dagestan last month.
From Mosnews.com:
"Under the cover of the international non-governmental organization Al Haramein Islamic Foundation, he organized a terrorist cell in Dagestan, Chechnya and Ingushetia," the FSB reported. During the last few years Al Seyf was a chairman of the so-called shariah courts committee of the self-proclaimed Chechen republic of Ichkeria. He was reportedly informed of all the appointments made within the armed groups. He received and distributed all the money for terrorist activity inside Russia, the FSB report said.
The security officials claim Al Seyf took part in the planning and preparing of terrorist attacks, and extremist religious and political propaganda.
Notice that Al Seyf started his cell network under the auspices of an NGO, the Al Haramein Islamic Foundation. By extension, it's probably reasonable to assume that NGOs are also being used as al Qaeda fronts elsewhere, say, in the U.S.
Details of Al Seyf's death were not reported. However, since he was simply a thug terrorist who measured success in the number of murdered civilians, I hope his death was slow and excruciatingly painful.
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Agent Jones says the AQ got 72 rectal jalapeno peppers.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 08:47 AM (7DG91)
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Funny how the Russians managed to keep the details quiet. No such luck if the US bags an al Qaeda biggie. Someone will yap away - giving away operational and intel gathering capabilities that come from nailing terrorists before others realize they're captured, dead, or otherwise out of the game.
Posted by: lawhawk at December 17, 2005 10:49 AM (V89iT)
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How many leaders does Al Qaeda have? Talk about "too many chiefs and not enough Indians." At this rate we will have to watch our neighbours or the kid working in McDonalds...they could all be leaders.
Posted by: Jester at December 17, 2005 04:03 PM (jpPqb)
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I agree with lawhawk. Our people can't seem to keep their mouths shut. Even when we learn that Pakistan or some other country has nabbed a biggie, someone has to run directly to a reporter and blab the details.
Isn't there some way we can crack down on that?
The predictions made immediately after 9/11 are coming true. It was said at that time that it would take about 5 years to get a grip on the terrorists and with 4 years no past, it seems as if we (the world in general) are getting better at tracking these animals down.
Now if we could just get Osama and Omar. Maybe we would have better luck if instead of offering $25 million, we offered 10 clinics and 10 schools to the home province of the person turning them in.
Posted by: crosspatch at December 17, 2005 04:46 PM (kNJth)
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you reported this about a week or two ago. Same guy only now the Russians have confirmed the death.
Posted by: Mad Man at December 17, 2005 05:00 PM (K6g1B)
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Anyone know anyone in Russia. I would like to piss in a bottle and have it poured on his grave.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 08:44 PM (TBvsM)
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Ah, Vinnie, Vinnie...
Jawadewan Vinnie
lambasts those "seditious bastards" at the New York Times who leaked the information about U.S. surveillance of terrorists, and then feign shock at the idea a U.S. President might actually order surveillance of an American citizen suspected of terrorism.
Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie. I think that's terrible what the President did, spying on those Americans without their knowledge. Why, he ought to be impeached.
Oh wait, he was impeached--although not for his decision to have military satellites scan the Elohim City (Oklahoma) white-suprematard compound right after the Murrah Building bombing in 1995. President Clinton's boys didn't get a warrant before they went a peepin', either.
I'm waiting for the gasps of outrage from folks like Chuck Hagel and Arlen Specter and the anti-Patriot Act crowd. And I'm dead certain the New York Times hacked up a gigantic hairball of screeching outrage over the Clinton administration's unwarranted use of spy satellites on Americans in America. I just can't seem to find it.
After all, for anyone who reads a Tom Clancy novel, the idea that the NSA will sniff at incoming calls and e-mails is nothing particularly new. But those spy satellites...wow. Brave New World ya got there, Bill.
It is fascinating to me that the actual thorughly researched f---ing news being broken here is delivered by the McCurtain Daily Gazette, out of Idabel. Oklahoma (and those of you from around Oklahoma will know that Idabel, God bless it, is not exactly Manhattan). Contrast that with the recycled and misleading product placement thrown up by the Old, Gray, Seditious Bastard Lady of 47th Street.
I'm off to Tashi Station to pick up some power converters for Christmas, so the bloggery will be light from me until aught-six. Y'all have a good one.
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Agent Smith says the Architect IS the NSA, and he sees EVERYTHING!
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 01:52 AM (oC6D4)
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While you seem to think that spying of government on US citizen is a minor sacrifice for security, it in fact, is at the heart of American freedom and justice.
I believe you have lost site of the forest for the trees! I suggest you re-read the history of the Revolutionary War and the events leading up to it. It will give you some perspective on just what the concept of the theory of American freedom really is.
The Founding Fathers never trusted government, most especially big government. Yet we continue to amass a huge impersonal beauracracy who care little about our history or our freedom.
Richard of Danbury
Posted by: Richard of Danbury at December 17, 2005 06:51 AM (EQOH7)
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"Idabel Oklahoma, God bless it, is not exactly Manhattan"
And that's a Damn good thing too!! It's bad enough to share a border with Oklahoma, but being that close to Manhattan would be enough for Texas to change its Boarder patrol priorities!
Texhoss
Posted by: Texhoss at December 17, 2005 08:26 AM (6mUkl)
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So Richard, who did you vote for last election?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 17, 2005 09:13 AM (0yYS2)
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Due note he said Manhattan and not New York City - a distinction any New Yorker can easily understand and appreciate.
The Last Diehard Staten Island Seperatist!
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 10:55 AM (3aakz)
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I can understand the hooplah over the invasion of privacy . And I'm glad there's some very healthy debate going on over it. I'm just at a loss over what else to do without hamstringing the government's ability to get these guys before they get us. Because they ARE in this country and they DO want to kill us. I don't want to sacrifice untold lives just to protect some privacy. But at the same time, I don't want the government in my private life.
Somewhere, there is a delicate balance between, say, the complete supression of Able Danger's information and all out violation of anyone's private life and what could be the result of unfettered government intrusion.
Posted by: Oyster at December 17, 2005 01:33 PM (YudAC)
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Well they've already hamstrung the way the United States armed forces fights wars, then the way CIA/MIA can do interrogations, why not leave us completely dead in the water with no method of surveillance against enemies, foreign and domestic.
How about a bill that declares surveilling Mosques unconstitutional under Freedom of Religion.
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 02:24 PM (CcXvt)
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I'm sure CAIR and its dhimmicrat supporters are working on that right now as we speak.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 17, 2005 02:38 PM (rUyw4)
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I call on you all to note that Richard, aka "Dick", did not answer as to the question of for whom he voted.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 01:02 AM (0yYS2)
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Maximus,
I voted the Constitution Party ticket!
Richard of Danbury
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Constitution party? That's almost as bad as my vote for the Libertarians. Thanks for the reply, sorry to have to taunt you out.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 10:40 AM (0yYS2)
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Smear and Loathing
Harold Bloom is purportedly, as the
Guardian notes in their story header for Bloom's
American epitaph (Bushitlerburton, that tired cliché again), a "celebrated critic". They neglect to mention who celebrates him, if anyone, outside academic cloisters. Certainly not me, and I also understand why he is a critic, rather than one of the classic American authors he admires.
The man can't write. His words reveal a brain that is a walk-in closet packed with disjointed literary tidbits hung in mismatched sets and hateful paranoid fantasies lurking in the shoeboxes.
He wanders on for hundreds of words when his entire message can be summed up thusly, "I'm an old partyline Democrat and I hate Republicans in general and George Bush in particular, and Americans are stupid for voting him into office". That's it, all Bloom has to say. Yet he drags out this message with inappropriate and boring literary references and unfounded lunatic fringe innuendo until one just wants to scream at him, "Enough! Pass gas in the President's general direction and be done with it, you senile old misanthrope."
more...
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Hateful paranoid fantasies lurking in the shoeboxes...
In Knoxville, says Agent Smith, in Knoxville!
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 01:54 AM (oC6D4)
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Check out a funny site dedicated to the absurdity and satire nature of saying "It's All George Bush's Fault!"
http://www.itsallgeorgebushsfault.com
Regards,
Notta Libb
Posted by: Notta Libb at December 17, 2005 03:44 AM (IRfdO)
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In the middle of his article is this:
"Without any particular competence in politics, I assert no special insight in regard to the American malaise."
Perhaps he should have started the article with that and saved all of us the agony of reading until that point.
Harold Bloom did not reveal even one more tired cliche or unfounded allegation we haven't heard a thousand times. Perhaps they should bestow on him the title "Moonbat Extraordinaire" rather than the title "Acclaimed Critic". Those who continue to assert that which has been thoroughly debunked and disproven are seriously lacking in either comprehension skills or are guilty of that which they accuse others of - blind following.
Posted by: Oyster at December 17, 2005 06:08 AM (YudAC)
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He
is a deep, thoughtful literary critic, & was mentor to fiery independent Camille Paglia. However, he should stick to his field & not embarrass himself by pontificating about things he knows nothing about (which is Chomsky's job)
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 17, 2005 08:42 AM (hR3ut)
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But beautiful, don't you know that if you're a liberal, a talent in one area makes one an expert in geopolitics as well as prose?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 18, 2005 01:01 AM (0yYS2)
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Clever bit
Usually writing that is both meant to be clever and is also intended for a general audience is not clever.
This little piece about domestic miscommunication actually is. A sample:
I was sitting on the bed, just about done folding our recently joined washables, when Diane started unfolding all the towels I had just folded.
I watched in utter disbelief. She laid them all out flat on the bed, and began giving me a little tutorial on the proper method of folding towels, which involved some form of terry-cloth origami. Instead of folding in successive halves, she wanted one-third of the towel to be folded in from either side. I thought this was ridiculous, but nowhere near as ridiculous as the idea of unfolding already-folded towels -- and thereby sending a signal to your newlywed husband that it is more important that a chore be done a certain way than it is for him to actually do it.
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Everytime my husband tries to help around the house (which ain't often, believe me) I cringe, knowing I'll have to re-do it. But
never would I do it in front of him and discourage such behavior.
Just as an aside, one day I asked him to vacuum the livingroom in preparation for a party we were having. I was down the hall in the bedroom cleaning when I heard the vacuum turn on. About 30 seconds later, it was turned off and a few seconds after that he wheeled it to the end of the hall and asked, "Are we done with this? Should I put it away?" I asked, "Did you vacuum the livingroom?" He said,
"The whole thing?"
[sigh]
Posted by: Oyster at December 17, 2005 06:24 AM (YudAC)
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In the 28 years of wedded bliss that I have had the extreme pleasure of sharing with my lovely bride (READ, 28 years of staying out of the way of the red haired fire breathing Banshee that my lovely bride morphed into around year three!!!!) it is my considered opinion that if you show any willingness or aptitude for chores around the house, you will be expected to perform such acts routinely.
I am however completely unable to do anything correctly (just ask the Banshee) so I'm not allowed to help around the house.
My suggestion to you my friend is to show your new Bride just how stupid, inept and clueless you are as soon as possible... it WILL save your marriage.
Your brother in bondage, Texhoss.
Posted by: Texhoss at December 17, 2005 08:41 AM (6mUkl)
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..."Thanks, Darling, for showing me that I am incompetent at something as petty as folding towels. Since you are the repository of all towel-folding lore, I will keep my ignorant hands off of them from now on! Yep, those towels are ALL YOURS!"
And walk away whistling...
Posted by: DaveP. at December 17, 2005 09:49 AM (6iy97)
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Two words: control freak.
Posted by: marcus at December 17, 2005 09:28 PM (mq+EB)
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Texhoss: You're wife is giving the rest of us redheads a bad name. I'm really very sweet natured myself. [grin]
Posted by: Oyster at December 18, 2005 08:12 AM (YudAC)
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Marcus: it's a fair cop.
Oh, did you mean HER?
Posted by: DaveP. at December 18, 2005 09:24 AM (6iy97)
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I learned to fold towels that way after my newlywed wife showed me nearly twenty years ago. Guess what, 3 kids and one part time job later she doesn't bother. She folds them the way I want to now.
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Secrets And Lies
So, what's the other
bury the Iraq election big news of the day.
Supposedly, the President secretly ordered the NSA to spy on American citizens.
Well, there are far too many places debunking this utter garbage to link them all. Besides, I know you are well informed (trolls excepted), and have already read the vast deconstructing going on.
But let's just say that this really is the big revelation the New York Times says it is.
Would you be shocked? Horrified? Aghast?
If you are any of these above, then answer me these:
Do you have cameras atop your stoplights?
Have you ever taken money from an ATM?
Ever gone inside a convenience store? A bank?
Have you ever applied for credit? How about a job? Particularly one that requires a "background check?"
How about filing your tax return?
Have you ever passed a law enforcement officer holding a radar gun?
Oh, here's a good one; Have you ever purchased a firearm?
Ladies and gentlemen, your government, at all levels, has been spying on you since your parents filled out the birth certificate and put your cute footieprints on the card.
I don't like it. I hate it. But that's the way it is. Sadly, not enough of our population hates it, and most just accept the next erosion of liberty as the cost of living in a free country.
What a sad state of affairs it is when the New York Times puts the nation at risk by publishing leaks of classified information used to gather information on potential terrorists, while ignoring the real crimp on our liberty that goes on every day in full view of an uncaring public.
Seditious bastards.
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The defeatocrats will do ANYTHING, including jeopardize the security of us all, if it will help them regain power. If they can hurt George Bush, they'll do ANYTHING to accomplish that. They're actually willing to gamble with the lives of the American people if it will cause political damage to the President. It's disgusting and seditious and somebody's got to do something about it. I just hope to god that the vast majority of voters out there are taking this all in and will make these bottom-feeders pay big come election time.
Posted by: Richard at December 16, 2005 11:21 PM (W8EsU)
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Read the Times story very carefully - there may well be a very good chance this may blow up in their faces. We know the release is a promo for a book, and we know how much they hate Bush -
- at the same time, they minced their words very very carefully on some extremely critical points. More to follow ...
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 11:46 PM (3aakz)
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If your serious about following this in detail without the hype or hysteria, I recommend The Captain's Quarters Blog - no offense Rusty.
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 11:54 PM (3aakz)
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Interesting...even the
Washington Post is jumping on the Times over this.
The paper offered no explanation to its readers about what had changed in the past year to warrant publication. It also did not disclose that the information is included in a forthcoming book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," written by James Risen, the lead reporter on yesterday's story.
In a statement yesterday, Times Executive Editor Bill Keller did not mention the book....
Tom Rosenstiel, executive director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism, said it was conceivable the Times waited to publish its NSA story as the Senate took up renewal of the Patriot Act....
The Times admitted last year that much of its reporting on Iraq's weapons programs before the war was flawed. The principal author of those stories, Judith Miller, later spent 85 days in jail to protect the identity of an administration source in the CIA leak case....
The Times announced last week that it was replacing its deputy bureau chief in Washington, which outsiders read as a sign of the paper's dissatisfaction with its Washington coverage.
Posted by: IO ERROR at December 16, 2005 11:58 PM (FVbj6)
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Agent Jones says The Architect is very angry his cat was let out of the bag. Now you podlings just stay where you are and pretend you're in control of your oblivious lives.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 01:56 AM (oC6D4)
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"Ladies and gentlemen, your government, at all levels, has been spying on you since your parents filled out the birth certificate and put your cute footieprints on the card."
There are things that are tracked in public and things that are not tracked in public. Sure there is often confusion between the two, but the latest revelations are not of tracking of public info, but of private stuff. Ie, stuff which requires a warrant by law or the constitution.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 12:31 PM (YViDI)
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This "news" was released the day after the Iraqi election. Hmmm, I wonder why???
Unemployment is down, consumer prices, down, inflation down, productivity up, and of course the wildly successful Iraq election.
So what does the NYTimes report? yesterday's news:
CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/17/D8EI32N00.html
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"CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES"
so? what about the rest of us plebes? We also would like to know if teh president is secretly acting illegally.a
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 01:09 PM (YViDI)
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rectus,
two things. First, if Congress knows, then it's not "secret". Second, if it were "secret" doesn't make it illegal.
So please tell me how this is either of those-- keeping in mind that the War on Terror is not about law enforcement with courtroom rules on admissibility of evidence, but WAR. Also keeping in mind that the info being intercepted are incoming INTERNATIONAL phone calls by known or suspected AQ operatives that cannot wait on the warrant process.
Please justify your argument in light of those facts, as well as 9/11.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 01:28 PM (8e/V4)
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an ps.,
Bush said his order was constitutional, was reviewed by legal authorities and that leaders in Congress were aware of it. He criticized the disclosure of the directive as improper.
What is illegal here is revealing classified information not open to the plebes.
Bush should call for an independend prosecutor to find the leaker and put him behind bars, starting with the NYTimes.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 01:33 PM (8e/V4)
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"First, if Congress knows, then it's not "secret"."
If its not secret then there's no problem publishing it either.
"So please tell me how this is either of those-- keeping in mind that the War on Terror is not about law enforcement with courtroom rules on admissibility of evidence, but WAR."
Why keep this in mind? the law is clear about how surveillance is to be done.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 02:13 PM (YViDI)
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You know all this drama could have been avoided if the U.S Government did what it normally does when spying on the United States citizens.
Have Echelon in one of our allies countries intercept the phone calls, microwaves, cell phones and data, then hand it to us.
I'm wearing my Greg strength tinfoil hat today!
Posted by: dave at December 17, 2005 02:34 PM (CcXvt)
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actus
The surveilliance is directed at possible AQ links, fundamentalist islamic extremists and the like. Broader than that would not only be illegal (yes I agree), but also FUCKING STUPID!
If this is narrowly focused (as is even indicated by the NYT) then what the hell is your problem?
Please! don't come back with a "what if - expansionist - angels dancing on a head of a pin argument!
If you perceive a danger here personally to you then spell it out. I don't - many here don't either feel threatened by it.
Unless you can convince the majority of this country that their in danger of having their links to AQ exposed - you ain't going nowhere with this. (see the inherent problem)
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 02:47 PM (3aakz)
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Only someone who is more interested in helping the terrorists or destroying the US would object to what the President did. Don't worry, Dave, the same one complaining about this had no problem with Clinton spying on domestic groups without authorization. What a hypocrit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 17, 2005 02:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Bravo, Vinnie, Bravo! Give Vinnie a "harumph."
Cameras at malls, in WalMart, Target, shopping center parking lots, post office, airports, heck, there was major security for the NHL draft in raleigh the other year.
The leftards need to clue in to the reality of modern technology.
Posted by: William Teach at December 17, 2005 02:53 PM (AkiXU)
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"If this is narrowly focused (as is even indicated by the NYT) then what the hell is your problem?"
The oversight system that we have to keep these things narrowly focused was what was thwarted. A system built because of executive branch activity that went beyond narrow focuses.
"Only someone who is more interested in helping the terrorists or destroying the US would object to what the President did."
Baby jesus said so himself.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 02:58 PM (YViDI)
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rectus,
obviously you THINK the law is clear on how surveillance should be done, because this has been in flux since 9/11. But here in fact, no law has been broken. It just looks bad. But looking bad isn't illegal.
And it only looks bad for people who refuse to understand the fundamental difference between gathering information to PREVENT an attack, vs gathering information to investigate a crime that has already been committed.
Traditional law enforcement operates under the latter premise (i.e., investigating AFTER the fact), while counter-terrorism operates under the former (i.e., trying to PREVENT an attack). See the diff?
9/11 happenned precisely because Liberals don't get it. Take for example the case Khalid Almidhar who in 2001 had entered the U.S. and would later help commandeer the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon. His lawyers argued that information about Almidhar's ties to AQ obtained through intelligence channels could not be used to launch a criminal investigation. The FBI warned that "someday someone will die" because of that decision. And they were right-- Americans DIED. Also do a word search on "able danger" for examples of how Liberals are getting Americans people killed.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 03:02 PM (8e/V4)
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actus
There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that this wasn't narrowly focused on AQ links.
I'm being specific - your still dancing around this point.
You and anyone else is not going to get anywhere on this if you continue to avoid the AQ topic connection and attempt to shift the focus to an abstract argument.
And your smart enough to know that - so this is just the Bushbash issue of the day. in a coupla days it will be something else.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 03:14 PM (3aakz)
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"Traditional law enforcement operates under the latter premise (i.e., investigating AFTER the fact), while counter-terrorism operates under the former (i.e., trying to PREVENT an attack)."
Which one of these is FISA supposed to handle?
"There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that this wasn't narrowly focused on AQ links."
But there is indication that it wasn't done according to the FISA act.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 03:18 PM (YViDI)
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actus
Domestic traffic according to FISA - A BIG YES - even according to NYT
International - out going and in-coming - selectively a BIG NO with very important qualifiers ...
Was FISA notified - appears so and told NOT their perview
(a point you can argue)
Was congressional oversight notified - appears so (get ready for the Jackie Gleeson routine from select democrats - hummmmmer hummmmer)
Total number in the hundreds apparent (NYT plays a game with vague "possibly thousands' add-on)
BIG POINT!!!! NYT states ".. Americans and others..". This is phasing that has a name in statistical analysis (I hated the subject and forgot it - any help Rusty)
It "implies" Americans being the primary and majority targets but provides no basis leaving the reader to assume anything from 51/49 percent to 99/1 percent.
Technically it states no such thing and could easily be the reverse 49/51 to 1/99. Its a common trick in advertising and it is legalese speak - its goal is to push or direct people to make a certain assumption or mental association without providing actual factual basis.
Again, the AQ links - if you can't dis-associate your argument from that point - then you won't get away with this.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 03:45 PM (3aakz)
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"It "implies" Americans being the primary and majority targets but provides no basis leaving the reader to assume anything from 51/49 percent to 99/1 percent."
So what? what do the numbers matter?
"Again, the AQ links - if you can't dis-associate your argument from that point - then you won't get away with this."
I think we can believe the administration when they claim that people are linked with al-qaeda.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 04:04 PM (YViDI)
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The numbers DO matter - pure and simple public relations -
If the targets are foreign students, resident aliens, tourists or even naturalised citizens - all in context with AQ/radical islam etc .........
Then the PUBLIC is not going to give a damn! Simple.
Believe the administration on the connection? That's Easy!
But therein lies your problem - you have to convince others that there is no connection.
See your problem now?
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 04:20 PM (3aakz)
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"The numbers DO matter - pure and simple public relations -"
Oh. I'm worried about the law rather than how moronic the admin looks when it breaks it.
"Believe the administration on the connection? That's Easy!"
I know. their record on intel? very clear.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 04:40 PM (YViDI)
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actus
Nobody even slightly believes you are worried about the law - this is just another bushbash with tiny legs no less.
Record on intel?
Interesting - If you want to make an argument that they are NOT conducting surveillance and targeting AQ links - but everyone else instead for all other kinds of reasons -
then make it.
If you can't or don't - then this whole "controversy" goes abosolutely nowhere.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 05:00 PM (3aakz)
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The NSAÂ’s activities under this authorization are thoroughly reviewed by the Justice Department and NSAÂ’s top legal officials, including NSAÂ’s general counsel and inspector general. Leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this authorization and the activities conducted under it.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/
The NYTimes endangers national security and the lives of the American people in order to boost books sales:
NYT 'SPYING' SPLASH TIED TO BOOK RELEASE
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/12/16/20051216_220600_flash9nyt.htm
The Democrats endanger national security and the lives of the American people in order to gain political advantage:
CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/17/D8EI32N00.html
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"CONGRESS MEMBERS WERE BRIEFED ON EAVESDROPPING -- A DOZEN TIMES"
So? Does that make it ok?
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 09:16 PM (YViDI)
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Actus,
yes, it does. Because it means this has political oversight, and has had it all along. The NYTimes is just trying to make some cash, and the Libs are just grandstanding.
Now settle down, plebe. Let the patricians handle the running of this war.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 09:26 PM (8e/V4)
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yes actus
This dog don't hunt - sorry.
And if it plays out as I suspect - in time some will be blaming Karl Rove for setting up Risen & the NYT.
Key is the timeline - if this is old intel from immediately after 9/11 and the vast bulk in in the first couple of years - then the admin may be looking for a backdoor way "to leak" success stories.
Intel's value is only when its fresh - if this is old material - and the communication lines no longer active - then hey ...
There has always been aces in the back pocket of this admin - 4+ years on no further domestic attacks - why? they haven't forgotten about us or given up have they?
Nothing drives them polls or preps for some very important mid-term elections than some "details" on the success on the war on terror at home. Brought to you "forcibly and regretably" (ha ha) by the NYT.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 09:53 PM (3aakz)
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actus
Oddly enough - even if I was the sort to agree with you -
I would be telling you the same exact thing (only in a more cynical fashion).
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 09:56 PM (3aakz)
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"yes, it does. Because it means this has political oversight, and has had it all along. "
Political oversight? so if congress disagrees with this, they can just pass a law? Of course they would tell their constituents why this law was needed. The whole point of FISA is to have judicial, not political oversight.
Posted by: actus at December 17, 2005 10:12 PM (YViDI)
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>>>"Political oversight? so if congress disagrees with this, they can just pass a law?
ah, yeah, actually. That sounds about right to me. If Congress doesn't like it, they pass a law.
But this isn't about legality, this is about Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 17, 2005 11:07 PM (8e/V4)
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"ah, yeah, actually. That sounds about right to me. If Congress doesn't like it, they pass a law."
How do they do that while keeping this secret?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 01:01 AM (YViDI)
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actus,
that's the whole point. If Congress doesn't like it, then it's not a secret worth keeping and they can make it illegal. doi!
I guess it's moot now though. Cat's out of the bag. Gee, thanks Libs. You've been a great help so far!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 01:09 AM (8e/V4)
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"If Congress doesn't like it, then it's not a secret worth keeping and they can make it illegal"
So Congress can leak this information if it doesn't like it?
Posted by: actus at December 18, 2005 11:26 AM (YViDI)
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Ya know this is gonna backfire actus - come on now - admit it!
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 11:31 AM (3aakz)
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actus,
could you really be that dumb? I doubt it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 11:39 AM (8e/V4)
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I just wanted to pop in here and thank all of you for staying on topic.
Wow, those Jedi mind tricks really
do work!
Posted by: Vinnie at December 18, 2005 12:26 PM (Kr6/f)
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You guys are missing the point entirely; rectus wants the terrorists to have every advantage possible so that they can pull off another 9/11 before Bush leaves office, so as to hurt the chances of the GOP in '08. He can whine, snivel, and protest all he wants, but we know that's the truth.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 10:46 AM (0yYS2)
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Alright, I have been toying with a new analogy here. The Democratic party, as it stands today, is the Episode I-III Separatist movement. Let's examine, shall we?
- sniffling wimps not willing to do any hard work themselves
- mindless sheep, willing to let anyone with half an idea in their head lead them
- willing pawns fighting the losing side of a war
I could go on, but why bother? I am sure we can see more similarities. Anyway, I am starting a mini-picture series. Let me be clear -- I am no Allah in the House (peace be upon him). These are only visual guides. This exchange from The Simpsons serves as my mantra:
Movie Executive: "You impaled a U.S. Senator with the American flag!"
Homer Simpson: "It was symbolism! He was angry!"
With no further ado, I present Murtha Gunray...
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- sniffling wimps not willing to do any hard work themselves
- mindless sheep, willing to let anyone with half an idea in their head lead them
- willing pawns fighting the losing side of a war
Agent Smith says, you are right. Enough is enough! We need a draft RIGHT NOW to get the military enough soldiers to take down the terrorists and be ready for Iran's Jihadidad.
Agent Brown decrees that Panty-head Jihadidad is the problem and the only way to take him over is to follow Jones:
Agent Jones says that first, get your enemies straight. 1. Stop fighting the secular Baathist generals so both U.S. and Iraqi Nationalist-Baathist forces can go and kill off the son-of-a-bitch SALAFIST TERRORISTS who keep blowing up buses and schools. 2. Combined U.S. and confederated Iraqi forces then can then secure Iraq and go to crack the mullahs' power.
Agent Smith then retorts, draft the Baathists to do our fighting for us and/or get the draft rolling so we can fight with overwhelming and crushing superiority.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 02:08 AM (oC6D4)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at December 17, 2005 10:41 AM (JQjhA)
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I dunno Jango and Dooku were Confederacy (Seperatist) both were fairly tough hombres. Im not sure the Democrats have any sort of equivilent. Also, the Confederacy was filled with capitalist and businessmen, not exactly the Democrats forte. You cite that the confederates were to wussy to do their own fighting, true perhaps for the Nemodians, but dosent apply to Geonosians and Aqualash both confederate systems that were warrior cultures. The Democrats seem to be more like the Naboo. They dont realize that they are at war with a dangerous enemy until their Capital city is occupied!
Posted by: Jones at December 17, 2005 12:30 PM (jTpef)
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Ah yes, Jango and Dooku were there. General Grevious too. I have already considered them and your point is pretty close to home. But I will deal with them in a later post, though you point is clearly noted.
As for the capitalists and businessmen, that is not a department that the Dems have been to lax with over the past few years. How many "home grown boys" as opposed to "multi-millionaires" are in the high level of Dem leadership? And then you got Hollywood along for the ride, and you don't get more capitalist than selling (on average) two-hours of lousy entertainment for $10 a head.
True, there were warrior cultures, but how much a role did they play as opposed to the battle droids? Even on Geonosis, the bulk of Separatist fighting was done by droids... nice, servile, cost-effective but incompetent replacement for real troops. Essentially, if the Dems could, I would imagine they would love to create a droid army... no guilt at sending them for "peacekeeping" b/c none of our boys really die. Freedom without sacrifice.
All that nerdiness said, you nit the nail right on the head with the Naboo. And that's the beauty of Star Wars... you can find analogies for real-life losers everywhere! And yet, the concept of 'jawa' remains constant...
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Local Reaction To The Patriot Act Rejection
A haiku:
Hagel, you loser
No votes from me, you traitor
Yes, Osama smiles
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It's a great day for John McCain, Islamonutters, & Andrew Sullivan, & a bad day for the American people
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 16, 2005 10:09 PM (J/Gf0)
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Agent Jones opines on the Gulag Act:
My country tis of thee,
Once full of liberty, of thee I sing
Land of tapped calls & wi-fi,
Land where your secrets r'spied
Great undisclosed mountainside
Where Che-neey hides
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 03:11 AM (oC6D4)
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Zulu elders to defy ban on virgin tests
Apparently, the importance of the main virginity event ranks right up there with the annual royal reed dance ceremony.
Zulu traditionalists have vowed to carry on with the controversial practice, which involves inspection of girls' genitalia, usually on the sidelines of cultural festivals.
Oh,
I understand now... , it's some kind of sport, right?
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I'm going to be politically correct, multi-culturally understanding, and a cultural relativist here ... and apply for an Inspector's job. Who knows?
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 03:17 PM (3aakz)
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I can already see the smoke coming out of the ears of the mutlti-culti feminists as they try to process this one. Total meltdown.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 16, 2005 03:34 PM (8e/V4)
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An inappropriate joke using a twist on the name and slogan of CARFAX could be made, but I won't. Not checking girls will not cause the destruction of Zulu traditions, much like not eating people has not caused the disappearance of New Guinea natives. Change is necessary and inevitable, for everything.
Posted by: Graeme at December 16, 2005 03:55 PM (NOjXH)
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I take it Graeme you will not be applying for the job?
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 03:56 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo, you're an evil person. Now you've ruined my attempts to keep my comments on the matter somewhat gentlemanly. Damn you! *shakes fists* No, I won't be applying for the job. If it was Brazilian supermodel hoohah that was guaranteed to be well mainatined,count me in. Hoohah which normally lives in questionable hygeinic conditions and constantly has crazy old ladies poking around, I think I'll pass.
Posted by: Graeme at December 16, 2005 04:34 PM (NOjXH)
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Ha Ha Ha - Ok Graeme - I got it.
The strangest thing about this story is that I bet most of the girls and women involved in this cultural rite actually accept and approve it. Many probably see it as a rite of passage.
1) Who is actually upset about this?
2) Did I/we need to know this?
We could travel the world and come across many "unusual" cultural practices. Seems to me if we're going to be upset or shocked it should be something a bit more "severe".
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 04:49 PM (3aakz)
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Just for the record. The reed dance is a Swazi ceremony and not a Zulu ceremony.
Posted by: Louis at December 16, 2005 05:52 PM (8lFln)
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Agent Smith says the inspector may be Jester Maximus or Greyrooster Improbulus.
Agent Brown says maybe both.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 16, 2005 06:33 PM (oC6D4)
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Guess Mr Smith won't be applying for the job either.
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 07:03 PM (3aakz)
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South Africa calling itself the most advanced nation on the continent is like calling yourself the smartest kid in the remedial education class.
Posted by: slug at December 16, 2005 09:18 PM (DbAnU)
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Out of curiousity, exactly how do you inspect a virgin?
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 12:12 AM (3aakz)
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Agent Brown says to Hondo, the Architect has files.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 03:13 AM (oC6D4)
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I thought the job would suite you Agent Smith since you like to explore.
Posted by: Jester at December 17, 2005 02:01 PM (0zfa5)
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Agent Smith
Tell Agent Brown that files on this subject are bullshit. Only hands-on field training and experience will truly suffice.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 03:54 PM (3aakz)
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Bunch of dirty ole men.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 10:00 PM (TBvsM)
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Imagine if the old white government had proposed this their would becries of racismfromall thew world perhaps even worldwide demonstrations for this blatent attempt at destroying the ancient black traditions,but when the black marxist government outlaws this black tribal practice why no protestations?
Posted by: mark at December 20, 2005 11:00 PM (Zj8Bz)
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Greyrooster says agent smith is one of the girls wanting to be imspected.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 21, 2005 03:54 AM (pSK/I)
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The Reed Dance is both a Swazi and a Zulu custom.
Swaziland=Umhlanga, Zulu=uMkhosi woMhlanga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Dance
http://www.google.com [search:"reed dance"]
The maidens are proud to be virgins and being a virgin is the only guarantee that they will not get AIDS. The custom is designed to praise chasity and encourage those girls who have lost their virginity though rape or economic necessity and also embarass those girls who foolishly give up their virginity. Studies have shown that HIV infection rates in young women can be 3-5 times higher than among young men. This is about: culural pride, age old ritual and the desire to slow the spread of AIDS.
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Michael Totten Meets With Hezbollah.
Some of you may have heard of Michael. He is a reporter that resides in Lebanon and also
blogs here. Today Mike sends us news that La Weekly has picked up his account of the meeting. Mike also has written for The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Star and Tech Central Station.
Michael Totten:The LA Weekly has published my first-person account of meeting and hanging out with Hezbollah.
Word has it that these guys are media savvy, that they know how to make a terrific impression on the press. It isn't true. If they were friendly and civilized with me I would have written that they were friendly and civilized. But they weren't, So I wrote this instead. They have no one to blame for this bad press but themselves.
Just a taste so you can get the flavor.
I sat at a set table draped with a clean white cloth. Yellow chicken, fatty beef, brown and white rice, hummus, yogurt and vinaigrette salads were spread out in front of me. There was plenty of bottled water to go around. The food didn't look great, but it looked okay. (And it was.) I smiled when it occurred to me that my meal was paid for by the Islamic Republic of Iran. It was about time they did something for residents of the Great Satan.
Now go read the rest.
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I have always liked Michael Totten's writings, but I must say I have a new found respect for both his courage and writing abilities.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 16, 2005 03:54 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Jones says that the Hezbolla are an unequal opportunity employer.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 16, 2005 06:34 PM (oC6D4)
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Hostage Negotiator Taken Hostage in Iraq
Reports are trickling in that a hostage negotiator who had made contact with the 'Swords of Righteousness Brigade' in an effort to free four Western peace activists has himself been taken hostage. The hostage negotiator is a local Iraqi who has previous experience in high-profile abductions. The man is said to have been missing since December 8th.
Norman Kember of England, American Thomas Fox, and Canadians James Loney and Harmeet Singh Sooden were taken hostage by an unknown group calling themselves 'The Swords of Righteousness Brigade'. 'As first revealed at The Jawa Report, The Swords of Righteousness Brigade' has been linked to the Islamic Army in Iraq. The Islamic Army in Iraq is an al Qaeda linked Salaafist jihadi group that has murdered foreign hostages in the past.
Curiously, the Islamic Army in Iraq website has been silent on the fate of the four hostages. Even more curious is the fact that although the group claimed responsibility for the murder of American hostage Ronald Schulz at an online forum frequented by jihadis, the Islamic Army in Iraq website has made no mention of it nor have they released the usual hostage snuff video.
The fact that the negotiator sent in to obtain the release of the four hostages may have been taken hostage himself is a bad sign. Hope for the best, pray for a miracle, but be prepared for the worst.
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Well if that isn't the definition of irony, I don't know what is.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 16, 2005 04:48 PM (0yYS2)
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Actually the definition of irony is the use of a word other than it was originally intended
/smartass mode
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at December 16, 2005 05:04 PM (JQjhA)
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Can we send in another hostage negotiator to rescue, the hostage negotiator, that went into the negotiate for the release of the hostages.
Kinds of reminds me of something?
oh! yes:
There was an old lady who swallowed a fly
I don't know why she swallowed a fly - perhaps she'll die!
There was an old lady who swallowed a spider,
That wriggled and wiggled and tiggled inside her;
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
I don't know why she swallowed a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
There was an old lady who swallowed a bird;
How absurd to swallow a bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly;
I don't know why she swallowed a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
Posted by: dave at December 16, 2005 05:13 PM (CcXvt)
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I don't like that definition of irony, because it completely misses the essence of everything that's ironic. We use words in ways other than originally intended all the time, but we don't call it irony. In fact, irony really has nothing whatsoever to do with the meaning of a word, but everything to do with situational usage, i.e. Jimmy Carter criticizing any other President for any reason under the sun, for example.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 16, 2005 05:25 PM (0yYS2)
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maxie
Rusty got ya on the smackdown - don't go all whinny and girlee on us now.
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 05:46 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Jones says some people are just too untrustworthy.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 16, 2005 06:35 PM (oC6D4)
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Harmeet Singh is a friend of mine...and I am hoping you all will help in getting him and his friends released by praying ....praying all you can....things are going from bad to worst and this is not how its supposed to be....Its supposed to be going from bad to good....I wish there were something I could do from here but praying is the last resort...
Posted by: Sairah Khan at December 16, 2005 07:08 PM (mjsuO)
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Praying is the first resort - the last resort you can not accept or resort to.
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 07:11 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo, I will say this only once, and as a friend: You aint got a dog in this fight, so STFU.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 16, 2005 07:14 PM (0yYS2)
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Thank you Improbulus,
I have a dog in the fight. More specifically, and more respectfully, I mean Norman Kember. It's gotten pretty frustrating to wait without any news. In a sense that's a good thing because the lack of murder videos and statements of responsibility implies that the hostages are still alive. I will continue to join people like Sairah Khan and many others in prayer.
Posted by: Uncle Ben at December 16, 2005 07:22 PM (g4Hi+)
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Tell me I am crazy but everything seems to be weird, this is not the way terrorist have worked in the past, some things are different, coud there be a conspiracy going on ???
I mean when they kill someone they show it and in the case of Schulz in the first video of his abduction the video cuts out the people around him and no video on his so called murder ??? just makes no sense.
Anyone with ideas on it ?
Posted by: chase at December 16, 2005 07:24 PM (kTKtl)
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Ok maxie
I just couldn't resist.
Posted by: hondo at December 16, 2005 07:27 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Smith says to Hondo: none of the agents will ever tell you to be silent.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 05:31 AM (oC6D4)
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I didn't tell him to be silent, I told him to STFU, which, among men who know one another, is quite another thing. But then, the agents, adolescents who seem fixated with retaining their adolescent geekiness, know nothing about men, except the ones they meet in parks after dark.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 17, 2005 09:22 AM (0yYS2)
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Well hate to say it but...no one can be trusted in the world of Islam.
Posted by: Jester at December 17, 2005 01:59 PM (0zfa5)
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Agent Smith
Maxie has an excellent point. You can tell an enemy to go fuck himself; or you can tell a friend to go fuck himself - same word/expression but two different meanings in context.
Dr Rusty would consider this a prime example of irony.
I consider it a testament to the versatility of the english word - fuck.
Posted by: hondo at December 17, 2005 03:04 PM (3aakz)
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Yep! Prayer will save him. Works every time.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 21, 2005 03:18 AM (pSK/I)
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Freedom Friday
Just allow me a word or two about all those anarchy statements. You know the ones like. "but we would not want to trade dictatorship for anarchy". Try replacing the word anarchy with freedom. So with no further delay letÂ’s get on with it.
Filthy takes it to CNN again. No surprise to Jawa readers either Filthy, give em hell.
The Filthy One : So CNN, POSTS in their Red Banner that ZARQAQI CAUGHT AND LET GO BY IRAQI SECURITY FORCES . CNN Jazeera acts like this is Hot news off the press.
What to do with Iran? For sure itÂ’s not out of the realm of possibility that we may find ourselves in a scuffle very soon. Why because they want it of course.
ItÂ’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
Hat Tip Right Girl:
Today, December 15th, 10 Million Iraqis Voted. It was a major victory for Iraq. It was a major victory for our soldiers. It was a major victory for the Bush Administration!

She also sent me a Video this AM of an Iraqi (expat I think) womanÂ’s opinion of America and Mr. Bush. Email me at mchlhwrd@gmail.com if you would like a copy. The voter says in English :
Anyone who does not appreciate what America has done and Mr. Bush. Let them go to Hell.
Uh well put.
Another way to put it.
A new Jibjab featuring President Bush, if you donÂ’t have a sense of humor then donÂ’t click. Hat Tip: Pam.
More Anarchy er uh Freedom excuse me.
Centcom:“In a short time,” said Stevens, “we have made a huge difference for the people of Iraq, but, as this school so accurately reflects, there is much more to be done.”

Support Steve because here is a guy who has lost it all and is living in a FEMA camper and still has a good attitude.
Rick at Saintsreport: I am a mod for a website called Saintsreport.com. One of our regulars got a FEMA trailer a week or so ago and he refuses to let his situation get him down. His little girl is gonna have Christmas, one way or another. He lives in the NOLA area and his house was severely flooded.
Hat Tip : Macktastic Rusty Wicked.
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Forget this. The big news according to the MSM is the freezing rain in the northeast. I'm off to check the local forecast.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 16, 2005 11:22 AM (8e/V4)
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You honor me yet again sahib. Would be happy to oil your beard for you next time.
Posted by: Filthy at December 16, 2005 03:06 PM (5ceWd)
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I really do not get the big deal about Zarqawi. Apparently CNN and other liberal MSM's have short memories. That story goes back to like April or so.
Posted by: William Teach at December 16, 2005 06:12 PM (AkiXU)
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Agent Brown says that the Kurds voted for Kurdistan.
Agent Jones says the Sunnis voted for control over the Kurds and the Shia.
Agent Smith says the Shia voted for the Taco Bell Chihuahua.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 16, 2005 06:37 PM (oC6D4)
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Our regular that lives in a FEMA trailer E-mail the Greyrooster if he needs anything. I know the feeling. My new house is 1/2 finished. Christmas is a must for little girls. Just Grunt and we will be one the way.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 09:57 PM (TBvsM)
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