December 05, 2005
CAPTION!!! CAPTION NOW!!!
Show me what you got! Here's Saddam getting
footloose and jiggy at his trial:

And let me just say, if you're on trial for your life, wear a dadgum tie. This is not Leno. Make it look like you're trying even if you're counting on the rocket attacks and assassinations of your lawyers to save you.
First caption: Saddam: "The Americans are even now dropping more chemical weapons from their stealth bombers!"
Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti: "Ain't nothin stealth about where that bomber came from! Whooooee--lay offa them Doritos, cuz!"
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Agent Smith says that Former President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Husayn al-Tikriti is practicing for his new role as a floor trader at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Agent Brown heard Husayn yell, "Buy 100,000 Pork Bellies at 27 1/3!!"
Agent Jones says the kaffiyeh-wearing defendant behind him yelled, "I'm selling, you nimwit!!!"
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 06:46 AM (qLtuI)
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"The ceiling needs paint."
"And the floor is dirty."
Posted by: Jane at December 05, 2005 07:08 AM (6krEN)
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"This is not the shade of Just For Men I requested!"
"Yes, what are you trying to do? Make the Great Saddam look like Wilmer Valderama?"
As for not wearing a tie, apparently he's not allowed to for security reasons.
Posted by: Graeme at December 05, 2005 07:26 AM (vwDwF)
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Did you think I'd crumble
Did you think I'd lay down and die?
Oh no, not I
I will survive
Oh as long as I know how to love
I know I'll stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
I will survive
I will survive
Hey hey
(Oh, thank you, thank, thank you. I shall put this to good abuse.)
Posted by: V the K at December 05, 2005 07:53 AM (q/kmn)
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Saddam:
"You call this a trial? in my day I'd have had me sodomized, burnt, beaten and put through a plastic shredder by now?"
al-Tikriti:
"Hey, Hey, Hey, This man don't represent me, yo' honor"
Posted by: dave at December 05, 2005 08:00 AM (CcXvt)
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Saddam:
"I demand an investigation into my disenfranchisement! Does this finger look purple to you? No? I didn't THINK so!"
Barzan:
"It's not fair! I don't even HAVE a finger!"
Posted by: Oyster at December 05, 2005 08:03 AM (fl6E1)
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"I object you infidels!!! I did not have sexual relations with Cindy Sheeham!"
Posted by: thirdee at December 05, 2005 08:24 AM (kBsuN)
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Barazan Ibrahim: "What you gonÂ’ do with all that junk? All that junk inside that trunk?"
Saddam: "IÂ’ma get, get, get, get you drunk, Get you love drunk off my hump."
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at December 05, 2005 08:25 AM (p7NnG)
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Reverend Hussein: "Thou shalt KILL THE INFIDELS!" KILL THE INFIDELS IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!"
Ibrahim: "Amen Reverend Hussein! You helpin' us now!"
Posted by: thirdee at December 05, 2005 08:39 AM (kBsuN)
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"I call for 'Breasts not bombs' you infidels", demands Saddam. Barzan replies, "No, No, No, your honor, we are not to be tortured!
Posted by: jihadibane at December 05, 2005 08:45 AM (rUyw4)
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Where is Matlock? I demand Matlock.
Posted by: Howie at December 05, 2005 08:45 AM (D3+20)
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Haha, dave's is awesome!
Posted by: Venom at December 05, 2005 09:08 AM (dbxVM)
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Jiggy ladies' man Saddam strikes a disco-pose a la Saturday Night Fever.
Posted by: Feisty at December 05, 2005 09:35 AM (r2ndd)
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"I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler!"
Posted by: ericj at December 05, 2005 09:50 AM (hrQvk)
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1) And I... I will always love you.... - Saddam and his backup singers prepare for their touring edition of the newly formed band: Genocidal Meshugenas
2) But you can't hold my Ba'athists responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole international system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, judge - isn't this an indictment of our entire internationalist system? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth me. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Ba'athists out of the hearing, all humming I will always love you]
Posted by: lawhawk at December 05, 2005 10:26 AM (eppTH)
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Real World Baghdad - Bored senseless during their long hours of incarceration, Saddam and his brother re-enact the infamous peanut butter scene.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at December 05, 2005 10:28 AM (p7NnG)
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"I'm Saddam Hussein and I am
reporting for duty!"
Posted by: V the K at December 05, 2005 10:39 AM (wEYaf)
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Saddam: And if elected, I will -
al-Tikriti: Shut up! You want them to take us seriously, don't you?
Posted by: Venom at December 05, 2005 10:42 AM (dbxVM)
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You put your right hand in.
You take your right hand out.
You throw them in head first and the shredder ....
Hey! That doesn't even rhyme!
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at December 05, 2005 11:00 AM (eer2X)
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This is TOO much fun, adversely affects my prodcuctivity...
#1 - Saddam: "I did not have sex with that camel!"
Crony: "Yes, very much, he did not have sex with that camel!"
#2 - Saddam: "I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler!"
#3 - Saddam: "Who let the dogs out?!"
#4 - Saddam: "Tastes Great!"
Crony: "Less Filling!"
Posted by: Dr. Zubov at December 05, 2005 11:12 AM (Whkiq)
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This is TOO much fun, adversely affects my productivity...
#1 - Saddam: "I did not have sex with that camel!"
Crony: "Yes, very much, he did not have sex with that camel!"
#2 - Saddam: "I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler!"
#3 - Saddam: "Who let the dogs out?!"
#4 - Saddam: "Tastes Great!"
Crony: "Less Filling!"
Posted by: Dr. Zubov at December 05, 2005 11:12 AM (Whkiq)
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I want a #4 with fried rice! If I get white rice again I will so declare a jihad on your ass.
Posted by: The Man at December 05, 2005 11:14 AM (EDlAL)
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Hussein: "That trick with the cashews... it really does work!"
Man in back : "Ohhhh!!! Grossss!"
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at December 05, 2005 11:20 AM (p7NnG)
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"I demand a recount! Al Gore won! John Kerry won! BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!! NO WAR FOR OIL!!! WHAT WMD's?!?!?! FREE MUMIA!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 05, 2005 11:23 AM (0yYS2)
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"Did you feel like Jesus?
Did you realize,
You are still an outlaw
in their eyes?
Get it on,
Get it on,
Kid Charlemagne,
Get it on, Kid Charlemagne"
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at December 05, 2005 11:25 AM (WOQ34)
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Free Tookie! also.
IM, you're on a roll. Lol!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 05, 2005 11:25 AM (rUyw4)
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"Look how tall my brother is!"
"Look how tall I am!"
Posted by: John at December 05, 2005 01:00 PM (wg4FW)
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See-Dubya,
I am sooo sorry about that. I guess this means I need a news reader, eh?
My bad.
Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at December 05, 2005 01:15 PM (y1hCN)
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You spin me right round baby...
Posted by: Jester at December 05, 2005 01:17 PM (wBDaS)
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Here's mine. http://ipsofactocomic.blogspot.com/2005/12/and-saddam-for-all.html
Posted by: Mike at December 05, 2005 01:37 PM (1WPwQ)
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Dave--How could you see this photo and not have a caption contest?
Put 'em up over at Dave's too.
Posted by: See-Dubya at December 05, 2005 01:45 PM (1EyVw)
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"I ORDERED THE CHICKEN WITH MANGO SAUCE!
And I distinctly said I hated "curry" not "Kurds"! My order that day was mis-interpreted!"
Posted by: hondo at December 05, 2005 02:17 PM (3aakz)
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Saddam: ...I therefore DEMAND that I be allowed to eat the last Mallomar at lunchtime! It is my RIGHT as Dictator for life and Maximum Leader of the Iraqi Peoples!
Barzan: Yeah! What HE said!
Posted by: mojo at December 05, 2005 04:13 PM (/lPia)
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"If I... were the King... of the forresssssssttt..."
Posted by: odrady at December 05, 2005 04:41 PM (FPlB1)
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Wonder why he hasn't mentioned his retarded sons? Probably hated them as much as we did.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 05, 2005 05:57 PM (9Dlss)
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I curse your moustache and fart on your beard and if I had shoes I would throw them at you, you son of a sharmouta
Posted by: Malikrik at December 06, 2005 12:17 AM (Jnkv/)
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"I am Napoleon!!"
"No, Fuck you, I'm Napoleon!!"
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 06, 2005 05:58 AM (VX7Tm)
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Speaker: "Iran has become a real threat to the world. We are looking for help. If anyone here has any prior experience in blowing up Iran, please raise your hand."
Posted by: Steve Sharon at December 06, 2005 11:46 AM (utZzN)
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Atheists Protest Memorial Crosses
(Salt Lake City) American Atheists Inc. has filed suit in U.S. District Court to remove highway crosses placed to memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who have died in the line of duty. The crosses stand about 12 feet high and display the trooper's name and the Utah Highway Patrol emblem (
example). They are placed near the location where the troopers were slain.
Specifically targeted by the lawsuit are Col. Scott Duncan, superintendent of the UHP; John Njord, executive director of the Utah Department of Transportation; D'Arcy Dixon Pignanelli, executive director of the Department of Administrative Services; and F. Keith Stepan, state facilities director.
The plaintiffs are Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers, Richard Andrews and American Atheists Inc.
From the Salt Lake Tribune:
Rivers said the purpose of the suit is to eliminate religious symbols used by government agencies and placed on government land. American Atheists claim to have a membership of 30 million people. They are not opposed to memorials, just the crosses.
"We feel the department of transportation, by allowing the Utah Highway Patrol Association to pick a religious symbol is unfair. We think it should be totally secular with no religious theme," Rivers said. "[The cross] is a Christian religious symbol. People will look at those and automatically assume that religion is a part of it."
Supporters of the memorials stated that the families of the fallen would be devastated and the legacies of the slain troopers would be tarnished if the crosses were removed. According to Sgt. Todd Royce, past president of the Utah Highway Patrol Association, the crosses are
no different from those at other government memorial sites, such as Arlington National Cemetery.
American Atheists Inc. is asking for $1 in damages and the removal of all crosses on government property. I believe a blind person can see what the atheists are aiming for. Logically, it's the removal of all crosses at veterans' cemeteries throughout the nation. American Atheists also wants the court to rule that it's unconstitutional to display the highway patrol insignia on a cross.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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What is it with these assholes? They're not real atheists, they're damned communists.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 05, 2005 05:17 AM (0yYS2)
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Agent Smith says that there are enough crosses to bear without having Big Brother Sam to do it too.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 05:33 AM (qLtuI)
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I could accept that 30 million Americans are a combination of atheist, non-religious and agnostic. But think about it. Every single one of them would have to be a member of American Atheists Inc. That's a bit hard to swallow. I guess if you're not afraid of going to hell then lying is a bit easier, eh?
Posted by: Oyster at December 05, 2005 05:48 AM (YudAC)
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Agents Smith, Brown and Jones were WRONG and now correct the geographical error. The "Sunni Triangle" has one point in Baghdad, one point in Tikrit, and one point in Ramadi.
Agent Brown, smarting from Agent Smith's recent smack on the head, now reports that the Sunni Triangle is populated mostly with Sunnis. The region includes beautiful Lake Tharthar, Fallujeah, Jabbaneah, Balad and Samarra. Teeming with insurgents and Improbulus Maximus' fiery mix of goatboys and knifeboys, the area tends to revolt on a minute-by-minute basis.
Agent Jones, also smarting, reports that the "Triangle of Death" is the small and nasty zone south of Baghdad, with a mixed Denton, Texas-style of Sunni/Shia population with light industry, agriculture and plenty of trouble.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 06:12 AM (qLtuI)
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While I don't agree with the use of permanent roadside memorials, this lawsuit, like all the others is an utter waste of time. These people are pissed because the cross was chosen for the memorial. Could it be that a cross was chosen because the slain officers were Christian? Afterall, one usually doesn't find a cross at a Jewish memorial, or a star of David at a Christian memorial. The atheists fail to understand that for those of us who believe in a higher authority, religion is a big part of life and subsequently death. Therefore any rememberance of a deceased person will usually involve religious symbology. It has nothing to do with the government advocating the religion. There are far bigger and more important things in this world to be offended about.
Posted by: Graeme at December 05, 2005 06:24 AM (vwDwF)
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The crosses are there to symbolise the religion of the dead person, not to show the religion of the state or it's inhabitants.
i could understand the family of say a Jewish patrolman bringing a lawsuit if they were told they had to have a cross, but it's really nothing to do with the AA.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at December 05, 2005 07:15 AM (cZrVc)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 05, 2005 07:28 AM (8e/V4)
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I'm telling you dudes, we need a Religious Heritage Amendment to the Constitution.
Just one amendment that says "The display of religious symbols by the United States or any state shall be permitted and shall not constitute an establishment of religion under the First Amendment."
Shut up Michael Newdow and the ACLU once and for all.
Posted by: V the K at December 05, 2005 07:58 AM (wEYaf)
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Im am getting tired of these atheists forcing themselves on us throught their stupid lawsuits what gives them the right to force their nonbeliefs on others? why dont they just quit being such a bunch of jerks and learn to tolerate what us conservative christians beleive
Posted by: sandpiper at December 05, 2005 09:27 AM (b1Fi6)
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On the face of it this sounds all silly and stupid. I'm not even going to bother. There are a few libs and leftists floating around this board - so - come forward and explain, rationalize and defend this.
I don't get it! What's the beef! What's the argument! These are your buddies - other than "possibly" the 12' high I can't possibly see what problem is.
Posted by: hondo at December 05, 2005 09:58 AM (3aakz)
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"There are a few libs and leftists floating around this board"
yeah, I guess that might be me, but I can't help here. as an athiest & mostly liberal I wouldn't want a 12' cross as a memerial personally, but I don't have a problem with others doing it
Still I don't belong to any athiests groups either - whats the point? Atheism is not a religion, we don't have very much in common most of the time.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at December 05, 2005 10:11 AM (cZrVc)
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Nobody has
any right to force their beliefs on others, and we don't need a new amendment to enumerate that, because;
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, (not establishing a religion, as many with an agenda would have you believe), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Regarding the memorial crosses, as long as it's not done with tax money, then why should I care? I shouldn't, and I don't, and so neither should anyone else, but these Marxist liberals are trying to purge religion from the public square, (again, as long as no taxpayer money is involved, I don't really care who puts up a nativity scene on the courthouse lawn), and they're trying to purge it from the minds and lives of employees of government, and then from the lives of daily Americans.
As everyone here probably knows, I'm an atheist, (orthodox, not evangelical), but I'm an American first, a loyal citizen whose sole allegience is with my nation, and its laws. This means to me that I am obliged to accept, no,
demand Liberty for others if I want Liberty for myself. See, I believe in the republican, rather than the democratic form of government, because only in a constitutional republic can the rights of minorities and the individual, (who is the smallest minority), be protected from the mob, whereas in a true democracy, only the mob enjoys protection through numerical superiority, and minorities and individuals get crushed. I'm also a libertarian because I believe that the role and scope of government must be limited so as not to intrude upon, or impede the daily lives of the people without actual need, and then only within Constitutional boundaries. The problem in America today is that everyone seems willing to disregard the Constitutional rights of others as long as they get their own agenda put into law, and so we have religious fanatics trying to interject their religious beliefs into the scientific education of children, among other efforts, and secular fanatics trying to intrude into all other aspects of education, politics, and life. The only thing that anyone isn't doing is following Constitutional principles, but rather both left and right are trying to destroy the Constitution piecemeal so that they can establish cultural and political dominance.
What is happening now is no different in principle than Stalin's purges or the Nazi death camps, or any other event in human history, wherein one group tries to destroy another group because they hold different beliefs; we're just not stacking up the bodies. Yet.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 05, 2005 11:20 AM (0yYS2)
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It is only tolerance if the queer, femist, latte sipping leftwing elitist diaper doper babies agree with it! The ACLU is nothing more than the Klan with law degrees. They scream 1st amendment on everything except anything Christian or any other religion(except Muslim).
Posted by: Andy Driggers at December 05, 2005 11:34 AM (tMU4W)
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Know why that is Andy? It's because American evangelical Christianity is
completely incompatible with Marxism, whereas islam is a perfect match, once allowances are made. The ACLU's original mission was to subvert the political, economic, and educational systems in order to pave the way for Marxism, and nothing has changed, except that now we're starting to fight back.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 05, 2005 12:29 PM (0yYS2)
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did I mention Leftists are scumsucking assholes?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 05, 2005 02:02 PM (BFbp8)
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Yes you did, but still, it bears repeating as loudly and often as one cares to.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 05, 2005 03:32 PM (0yYS2)
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Andy Driggers: We have many members with law degrees. Please do not mention my brothers in the same paragraph with the ACLU. We love this country and stick our necks out to preserve it.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 05, 2005 06:05 PM (9Dlss)
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Anomaly detected... searching... KKK, Ku Klux Klan, a fringe American organisation noted for active hostility to Jews and Blacks.
Agent Jones found the following on the ADL Archive: "Every group on the Klan's list serves as a scapegoat for individual Klansmen to explain and excuse their inability to succeed and advance in modern society."
Agent Brown says that support of Israel and active Klan membership are mutually incompatible, with the exception of one strange man who jumps from closet to white robes and back again.
Agent Smith sings, Mr. Anderson, you disappoint me.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 06, 2005 06:10 AM (VX7Tm)
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Christians only want religion(creationism) to be considered as an alternative "theory", which is what Darwinism is...to have equal status in the classroom. We do not force our beliefs on others.They have the right, and ability, to not listen. And, we want our rights to express our beliefs as we see fit. Atheists, agnostics, etc are not stopped from expressing themselves, yet they do not think we have the same privilige.
Posted by: Super Grammy at December 06, 2005 07:09 AM (o0pyU)
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Protestants, Catholics and many religions and athetists (Soviet Union) all presecuted the Jewish people. This KKK member says it was a mistake and wrong. Therefore I try to correct that wrong and argue the point with the glorious members of the Klan. I have converted many brothers. The Jewish people should have been our allies. We made a grave mistake letting a few (for who knows why?) influence the Klan.
Protestants, Catholics and the KKK know longer persecute Jewish people.
While we admit our mistakes of the past. The Jews have never cried and asked for money like other groups claiming past persecution. I have a plan to send some of our young bucks to Israel for training. Our muscle. Their experience. Their money. An unbeatable combination. Look out Farrakhan. You could be in deep shit.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 06, 2005 05:56 PM (JHIKU)
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One point greyrooster: Communism isn't atheistic, it's a religion unto itself.
Now to Super Grammy, who said: "Christians only want religion(creationism) to be considered as an alternative "theory", which is what Darwinism is... to have equal status in the classroom."
First, teaching creationism is fine. In church, that is, but not in public schools where kids need to learn things that have actual value in real life. See, creationism is not a science, nor is any part of it an actual theory, nor is it in any way based on real science, but rather it's religious ideology, and nothing more, and thus is fine for Sunday School, but not high school. To me, the desire to have religious dogma pushed on schoolkids is just a symptom of nothing more than a desire to proselytize without being honest enough to say so.
"We do not force our beliefs on others."
Sorry, but yes, you do. Wanna know how I know? I was once an evangelical Christian too, and I know you well. Forcing your beliefs on others is exactly what you want to do by trying to get creationism taught in schools. Hey, how about we teach black magic and necromancy as alternative theories too?
"They have the right, and ability, to not listen."
In which case they would fail the class. Don't pull that on me, I'm smarter than the average bear.
"And, we want our rights to express our beliefs as we see fit."
And you can in church, in public, on the internet, etc., and just the fact that you can't have your mythology taught as science in no way impedes your right to worship freely. But then, that isn't really all you want...
"Atheists, agnostics, etc are not stopped from expressing themselves, yet they do not think we have the same privilige."
So how do we express ourselves? Oh yeah, that's right; we rely on logic, reason, and scientific facts and firm theories, rather than magic, witchcraft, and absolutist indoctrination.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 06, 2005 07:45 PM (0yYS2)
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The atheists are cold ,cold people and have no respect for our country or our people, they only want for themselves and nobody else.They make me sick.There is nothing wrong with the cross on our highways,its not about religion its how we chose to honor our men that died for us.So the athiests can go to hell and stay there because we dont need them or their opinions.
Posted by: lonesomedove91 at December 07, 2005 02:21 PM (VwQnU)
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lonesomedove91: Are you grouping? Most athiests and agnostics feel that the cross is just fine. As usual the media makes big things out of little things. Example: The Cindy Sheehan bitch. One of 130 million women in this country and gets the attention on MSN.
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December 04, 2005
I've no frickin' idea what this is about
but it
mentions a couple of the blogs I guest at. So I got that goin' for me.
Which is nice.
If I understand this correctly, I think Comedy Central or maybe Skinemax ought to make a move on this guy for an ongoing Ace of Spades Lifestyle special. Long in the tooth veteran JYB is getting overlooked, as is undervalued rookie defensive superstar (Dude works at the Pentagon!) Dave.
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I know what it's about!
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Okay, I have no idea.
Posted by: Vinnie at December 04, 2005 09:12 PM (Kr6/f)
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Agents Smith, Brown and Jones have no idea.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 05:33 AM (qLtuI)
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Your 2005 Weblog Award Voting Guide
First off, here's the graphic for Rusty to put in the sidebar, if he's so inclined:

And now, Vinnie's voting guide to the 2005 Weblog Awards:
The Jawa Report for Best Conservative Blog (duh!)
Vince Aut Morire for Best of the 501-1000 Ecosystem Rankings (double duh! and may I note that before I moved to mu.nu, I WAS in the 200's)
Armies of Liberation, also for Best of the 501-1000 Ecosystem Rankings. (I admire Jane's work so much, I'll be voting for her too)
Merri Musings for Best New Blog (triple duh! She's my wife, if I don't vote for her, I ain't gettin' any)
My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy for Best of the Top 250 Ecosystem Rankings (unfortunately, Wizbang turned down my request for Best Link Pimp)
Six Meat Buffet for Best Humor/Comics Blog (bastard)
The Llamabutchers for Best Culture/Gossip Blog (huh? Since when did they get culture?)
Michael Yon for Best Media/Journalist Blog (no comment necessary)
Iraq the Model for Best Middle Eastern/Africa Blog
Free Thoughts for Best European Non UK Blog
Those are my hard votes. Nothing or no one will dissuade me from them.
The rest of the finalists, however, are more than welcome to suck up to me either in the comments or at vinceautmorire@gmail.com.
Good luck and let the (friendly!) blog wars begin!
One last thing. Two extremely good blogs did not make it into the finalists. You should be reading them anyway.
Clarity And Resolve
Something...and Half of Something
(sooper sekrit note to Rusty, yes, this is a shameless blogroll request for these two. You owe me for the award I gave you last year. Heh.)
(ps to the sooper sekrit note. Da Wife would like to be there too, which is to your advantage. I have cleavage pics to trade)
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Vinnie buddy, I gotta say I totally forgive you for not voting for me. To be honest I'm thinking about voting for Merri instead of myself.
Hey...does that mean I get some?
:: err, wait a minute, I don't think that will work for me ::
Posted by: Janette at December 04, 2005 07:14 PM (OcgcA)
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Yer welcome, blogtwin sister.
Janette, if you talk sweetly to her, and let me video....
Posted by: Vinnie at December 04, 2005 07:35 PM (Kr6/f)
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Um....don't I get a say here? Heheheheh...
Posted by: Merri at December 04, 2005 08:57 PM (Kr6/f)
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Well Merri if you're going to let Vinnie campaign for you these kinds of negotions are just going to happen.
Posted by: Janette at December 04, 2005 09:01 PM (OcgcA)
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--THIS kind of NEGOTIATIONS are just going to happen. --
Damn, I need to put the drink down and concentrate on typing.
Posted by: Janette at December 04, 2005 09:09 PM (OcgcA)
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No, no, by all means, drink up whilst the negotiations are ongoing
Posted by: Vinnie at December 04, 2005 09:20 PM (Kr6/f)
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dang, what is this a menage-a-blog? hey thats my uncle you are talking about. but seriously, its
funny, i just finished an email saying i was going to have to vote for you Vinnie, and i realy appeciate your mention, its the VRWC support thats keeps me focused. But hey you *know* that this will make some impact in Yemen: Jane nominated for a blogging award. (Especially after they trashed my blog inthe papers.) heh
Posted by: Jane at December 04, 2005 09:28 PM (6krEN)
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did somebody mention drinking?
video?
Posted by: Jane at December 04, 2005 09:36 PM (6krEN)
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Let's not forget the Jello shots! ...and Jane, your blog uncle sure is *hot!* Wheeeeeeee!
Posted by: Merri at December 04, 2005 09:44 PM (Kr6/f)
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"menage-a-blog" That's hysterical!!!!
Video? I don't know that might be a deal breaker. What happens in the blogosphere should stay in the blogosphere...with no video evidence!
Posted by: Janette at December 04, 2005 10:12 PM (OcgcA)
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O.K. Vinnie, so you are taken...All right then you vote for your wife one day, and for me the next, and so on, she can spare five votes can't she? LOL!
Just kidding...now about getting some...my husband seems to think that he needs to 'get some' in order for me to elicit his vote.
Is that right Vinnie? Something is kinda wrong there somewhere isn't it?
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Agent Jones says, "Eric?"
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Aw jeepers Bro, thanks for the plug. I am humbled (at least a little) and overwhelmed (more than a lot).
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Senior Chechnyan al Qaeda Leader Reportedly Killed in Suicide Blast
The Counterterrorism Blog reports that Abu Omar Mohammed bin Abdullah al-Saif, a Saudi al Qaeda in Chechnya commander, has killed himself in Dagestan to avoid capture by Russian forces:
Unable to escape after Russian soldiers backed by helicopters surrounded his temporary hideout, Abu Omar allegedly detonated an explosive device he was carrying and collapsed the building on top of himself. Known as the "Imam of the Chechen mujahideen", Abu Omar was an original founder of the Arab-Afghan mujahideen movement in Chechnya and was named by Russian officials as a suspect in numerous Caucasus-linked terrorist attacks, including the Moscow theatre siege and the Beslan school hostage massacre.
The Counterterrorism Blog has more, including a 2000 interview with Abu Omar.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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Not suprising that someone whose career achievements include storming a theatre and an elementary school wouldn't stand and fight when confronted by "the infidels". Good riddance. One more pile of crap gets buried.
Posted by: Graeme at December 04, 2005 05:20 PM (MzETg)
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Nope, no tears here. Just some hearty laughter as another one bites the dust.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at December 04, 2005 05:28 PM (WvUov)
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I somehow think if captured, their would be no "panties on the head", yapping dogs, or overly cold air-conditioned room provided by the Russian army for this Joker.
Posted by: dave at December 04, 2005 05:58 PM (CcXvt)
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Another one gets his shot at the 72 raisins. I think I'll check into investing in California raisins, because it looks like they might be getting in short supply.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 04, 2005 06:21 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Jones says the 72 raisins should be jalapenos.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 05:35 AM (qLtuI)
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This is horrible news! For the liberals. Another "freedom fighter" bites the dust.
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Al Jazeera Video Debunked By Fox
Al Jazeera continues to report that a video they obtained depicts Thursday's attack on US Marines, even though it has already been debunked by military sources as canned video from an unrelated incident that happened earlier.

Their website also displays false information about the video:
Aljazeera broadcast a video on Saturday from a group called the Islamic Army in Iraq showing the attack on the US patrol near Falluja on Thursday, the deadliest attack on US troops for four months.
The truth behind the video was revealed earlier today on
Fox News (watch "Terror Tape" video), in an interview with American Colonel Barry Johnson from Baghdad. The video being played on al Jazeera depicts troops moving along a street accompanied by a Humvee. The Marines were attacked in a courtyard; no Humvee was present.
Sometime this afternoon al Jazeera added a paragraph deep in the body of the story saying that the video is unconfirmed. They continue to feature a still from the video with a caption saying it is of Thursday's attack.
A more strongly worded version of this post is at The Dread Pundit Bluto. Caution: may be offensive to little pussy lickspittle quislings.
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but I want it to be true.
Posted by: moobat at December 04, 2005 12:26 AM (8e/V4)
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Agent Smith says they are not to be trusted.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 04, 2005 06:41 AM (VDGim)
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What gets me is that there is Americans working for Al Jazeera. Some low lifes will do anything for money. Of course one must realize that if they were good reporters they would be working for a decent newspaper.
I see greg the traitor is still playing with 8 year old boys. Some things never change.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 06:58 AM (gvOyZ)
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Why is it a bad idea to bomb al Jazeera? Looks like they are enemy HQ.
Posted by: bill at December 04, 2005 10:41 AM (7evkT)
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Okay, is
this propganda, or is it only when the US tries to tell its side of the story?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 04, 2005 01:47 PM (0yYS2)
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gr8 clip.
if the dod says this isn't the one from fallujah, makes it look worse for bush.
too bad for us soldiers, they go boom bye bye
Posted by: mediamuj at December 04, 2005 01:57 PM (pdm7X)
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Too bad for mediamuf, he go boom boom bye bye, meet his 72 raisins in hell, oh what a bad surprise for him. Haha!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 04, 2005 02:05 PM (rUyw4)
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Israel attacks Iranian nuke facilities. Yet again the arabs go boom bye bye. How many times can the Israelis humiliate the muslims?
Let me get my calculator.
Posted by: Pigs Will Rule Arabia at December 04, 2005 09:38 PM (Pg0eF)
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Just to add to Greyroosters comments...Mate, there are alos Australians working for Al Jazeera at present. I too believe that these people are traitors as sightings of Al Jazeera camermen on the streets of Iraq was considered a combat indicator that an IED or VBIED attack may be about to occur. This actually did happen to an Australian Light Armoured Vehicle (ASLAV) in Karrada on 25 Oct 05. So, to all the Australians working for Al Jazeera...reconsider your employment on were your loyalities lie...no more Australian casualties!
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December 03, 2005
Top of my list too...
You know those
face-reattachment surgeries?
Looks like the
Crypt Keeper got one. Good for him! It's tough making it in Hollywood as a fleshless ghoul unless you're Cher. Go watch the video at the Sharper Image link from
here and you'll see what I mean.
H/T Dave. Sorry about the hotlink, Dave; if it's a problem let me know.
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I'm glad you identified the picture as the 'crypt keeper' I almost thought it was John Kerry.
Posted by: dave at December 04, 2005 12:06 AM (CcXvt)
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I used to work with a guy who looked just like the crypt keeper. Now that I think about it, I used to work with a guy who looked like the chimp too.
Posted by: Oyster at December 04, 2005 06:16 AM (YudAC)
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Tookie and Barrabas
A long post by me up at Patterico's Place on the
impending demise of a great humanitarian, Stanley "Tookie" Williams, the Ken Lay of cocaine.
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But they made a movie about his life? He writes children books! he only murdered four people?
You'd think if Hitler had built wooden toys for a living after the war, the left would have nominated him for a Nobel peace prize, too.
Posted by: dave at December 04, 2005 12:20 AM (CcXvt)
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If the protesters spent such time and energy rallying around the families he destroyed, they might make the world a better place. They don't see the difference (as is par for the course with some on the left, you know ... the black and white world they live in?) between sowing terror by killing inncocent people purposefully and the meting out of harsh justice to those who commit such heinous crimes. Mind-boggling isn't it?
Posted by: Oyster at December 04, 2005 06:48 AM (YudAC)
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Cases like these happen every once in a while. They are annoying but typical.
Why doesn't the left and celebrities get creative! Convince the families of the victims to agree. Make them an offer - its an old tradition - blood money. Let the families decide! Come on celebrities ! You've got millions! Pony up.
Victims have families and families have suffered - Money wouldn't bring back the dead but may help ease the suffering and hardships endured by the families. So make them an offer. Put your money where your mouth and heart is - it will make you feel better and good about yourselves.
I know - it sounds a lil' perverse - but I'll let the victims families make that discision. There are bills to pay, kids to send to colleges, mortages etc.
Posted by: hondo at December 04, 2005 11:04 AM (3aakz)
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NBC Reaches Out to Religious Viewers
With a Vicodin-addled Episcopal priest who drives Jesus around in his station wagon. Hey, they ate up the
Passion of the Christ, right, so those religious folks will swallow anything with a whiff of incense. Right?
Okie on the Lam fisks an interview with the show's creator.
Does anybody remember Highway to Heaven? That was kind of sappy but at least the writers seemed like they weren't mainly concerned with subverting and mocking traditional ideas of religion.
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The show sounds perfect for rectus and Smith.
Mark my words, the gay dude on the show (like all shows with gay dudes) is the only "non-dysfunctional" person on the show. He's the rock of stability for the poor drug addled priest.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 04, 2005 12:15 AM (8e/V4)
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Dude, I have to admit
The Passion of the Christ screwed me up for days. It was a very upsetting movie. It made me very emotional.
Thinking back on it, I went to see it with my daughter and at one particularly heinous scene I covered my eyes and said, "Oh, god***n." My daughter elbowed me in the ribs for that one. Then a few minutes later, I covered my eyes again and said, "Oh, Jesus," and she elbowed me again and threatened to tape my mouth.
Posted by: Oyster at December 04, 2005 06:55 AM (YudAC)
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hey oyster, did it make you want to go out and kill jews?
Libs liked to pretend that was the reason they hate the movie so much.
Posted by: moobat at December 04, 2005 10:47 AM (8e/V4)
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Sounds like it might work as a comedy. Or a lil' insight on the trials and tribulations of the vapid, shinking, listless (formerly mainstream) Episcopal Church or the handful of other "hell bent for new-age liberalism" protestant churches.
Given Hollywood's idea of religion I'm surprised the this year's "Ghost Whisper" and the past "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" aren't promoted for their spiritual content".
Posted by: hondo at December 04, 2005 11:20 AM (3aakz)
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Ya know, while it's people like Jim Jones and Jerry Falwell who give modern Christianity a bad name, it's anti-religious idiots like these who give atheists/secular humanists a bad name.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 04, 2005 01:50 PM (0yYS2)
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moobat: (Shouldn't that be
moonbat?) After watching the movie I couldn't understand all the hooplah about the movie portraying Jews in a bad light. I didn't see
Jews being so bad as I saw wicked
people so concerned with their status quo and so frightened with the possibility that they may lose their control over the people that they took matters into their own hands and destroyed their source of frustration. Looks like they picked the wrong guy. I've never understood the "The-Jews-Killed-Him" belief. It had little to do with religion and everything to do with power and control. Religion was only a convenient cop-out.
Wow. Why does this all sound so familiar?
Posted by: Oyster at December 04, 2005 07:26 PM (YudAC)
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So if the
Passion didn't lead people to go out and kill jews the way Libs predicted it would, why do Libs still DESPISE the movie and the man who made it?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 04, 2005 10:32 PM (8e/V4)
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I'm tellin' ya, if
Life of Brian didn't do it, then
The Passion sure won't either.
Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 05, 2005 11:41 AM (0yYS2)
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http://www.paramom.com/wwwboard/messages/11409.html dimlyfingeringwelcomed
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Transmitting Touch Over the Internet
The mind boggles at the potential applications of this technology.
From Silicon.com:
Singapore scientists looking for ways to transmit the sense of touch over the internet have devised a vibration jacket for chickens and are thinking about electronic children's pyjamas for cyberspace hugs.
A wireless jacket for chickens or other pets can be controlled with a computer and gives the animal the feeling of being touched by its owner, researchers at Nanyang Technological University (NTU) told The Straits Times.
The next step would be to use the same concept to transmit hugs over the internet, the researchers said.
The researchers are thinking of some sort of pajamas which would be controlled by the Internet to adjust pressure and temperature and simulate the feeling of being hugged.
Of course, since the technology has only been tested on chickens, some people wonder how the scientists conluded that the sensations chickens feel are hugs and not squeezes or chokes. After all, chickens are usually not seen hugging and discussing the feeling with humans.
Presumably, there's a market for people who want to hug their chickens and children via the Internet. I'm interested in seeing what develops.
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Yeah, but is there a market for electronic
pajamas on the internet?
Posted by: Asher Abrams at December 03, 2005 11:49 PM (bOXUK)
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Yawn, post again when the BlowJob2000 is on sale.
Posted by: dave at December 04, 2005 12:07 AM (CcXvt)
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Agent Jones: What will Improbulus Maximus do with it?
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 04, 2005 06:45 AM (VDGim)
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So [*hugs*] just doesn't cut the mustard anymore, huh?
Posted by: Oyster at December 04, 2005 06:59 AM (YudAC)
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Good morning Oyster:
Is this the Jawa report?
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:00 AM (gvOyZ)
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Oh God! Let those Japanese perv's get their hand on this technology! The mind wanders!
Posted by: hondo at December 04, 2005 11:24 AM (3aakz)
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Will they make underwear too?
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(Images/Video) Terrorist Videos Reveal Weakness and Lies of Insurgency
UPDATE: The video has been debunked and is NOT the Fallujah attack but some other attack.
See this post.
The Islamic Army in Iraq has released a video of an IED attack against Marines in Fallujah. The attack killed 10 Marines. Images from the video are posted below. They are not graphic, but may be disturbing.
Al Qaeda in Iraq has also released a video of its Ramadi offensive. Images posteed below and right. For links to video, please e-mail author.
The video shows a Marine patrol and a Hummer rolling down an alley or a narrow road, on which civilians are present. The Hummer passes the Marines as it approaches the terrorist's position. The IED explosion is large and does damage to the Humvee, but the driver inside appears to be able to continue to drive the vehicle. Civilians can be seen panicking and fleeing. The video then becomes shaky as the terrorist flees the scene.
The video reveals why the IED attack was so devestating. Presumably, like most incidents of this nature, the IED was planted with the expectation that it would be exploded as a vehicle or convey passed. The terrorists, it would seem, just got 'lucky' in that on this particular day a foot patrol decided to walk down the wrong alley.
Despite media reports of 'mounting casualties', attacks are down in Iraq. The IED attack reveals that the so-called insurgents cannot mount even an effective attack against U.S. positions.
Yesterday, propagandists for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq posted a message claiming they had taken 'control of Ramadi'. This despite the fact that the terrorists were only able to fire a single mortar shell at a U.S. position and less than 300 U.S. troops and 200 Iraqis were used in the counteroffensive. The counteroffensive turned out to be nothing more than the troops entering Ramadi unnoposed and turned into a routine search and sweep operation.
The only evidence that al Qaeda offered that they 'controlled' Ramadi was a short video by their IMC media arm showing a group of masked young men in cheap warm-up pants and tee shirts slowly going down a narrow alley. There are no more than seven or eight terrorists in the group. That's right, 7-8 terrorists with AK-47's and a single RPG! An image from that video is posted above and a few more are posted below.
Oddly enough, the IMC (Islamic Media Center) cameraman hides from the terrorists while he takes the video. The IMC has recently pledge its loyalty to Osama bin Laden and urged others to do the same. It appears that even the jihadi supporters are afraid of the brave and noble mujahidin!
So, if the 'insurgency' cannot hold any territory, is not very popular in the eyes of even Sunnis these days, and must resort to remotely detonated bombs and hostage taking, in what lies their hope of victory?
The media and spineless politicians in Washington D.C.
The spinmeisters at al Jazeera, Jihad Unspun, and Uruknet report the communique as fact and then, trying to turn this into some grand irony, announce that the Ramadi 'victory' comes only days after Bush announced his strategy for victory. As if a single IED and a handful of sweat-pants clad 'insurgents' are a threat to U.S. victory in Iraq!
It would all be very laughable if the U.S. media wasn't so busy hand-wringing and having LSD induced flashbacks of Vietnam. The media spin then leads the American public to think that this insurgency poses an actual threat and that somehow we cannot win in Iraq. All of this is not helped by the extreme Left wing of the Democratic party which is all to eager to see America lose in Iraq.
Folks, the only threat to our long-term victory in Iraq comes not form the terrorists, but from spineless politicians in the U.S.
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Yet more evidence that these bastards must be high as kites to think as they do... too bad a lot of US politicos must have raided their stash of 'shrooms, as you said.
But come on, Rusty, you give these guys a hard time. Have you ever worn Addidas warm-up pants? Those things are so comfortable! How could one ever go pack to a crap-soaked one-piece after those pants? I think it is simply more evidence of the CIA corrupting the noble Holy Warriors.
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"Despite media reports of 'mounting casualties', attacks are down in Iraq."
Oct was the 4th deadliest month. I haven't yet found a site with monthly attack numbers.
The analysis of the pant leg and bicycle is wrong on the image. That's the left pant leg that's rolled up. A bicycle chain is on the right side.
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 04:15 PM (dFCoa)
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actus:
despite all your wishing, they won't win!
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 04:29 PM (CcXvt)
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This seems to have casualties reported by month. I am surprised you had not found it...
As a larger question, are we mixing terms here? Are we taking "number of deaths" or "number of attacks" as the metric? The two are certainly different.
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"This seems to have casualties reported by month. I am surprised you had not found it...
As a larger question, are we mixing terms here? Are we taking "number of deaths" or "number of attacks" as the metric? The two are certainly different."
I know about icasualties.org. Its a site about # of attacks that I don't know of, not # of dead.
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 04:50 PM (dFCoa)
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this will convince the Liberals that jihadis have reconquered Iraq, because that's exactly what they need to believe. What else are they going to run on in '08.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 06:04 PM (8e/V4)
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Agent Jones reports that the VC used bicycles to travel quietly in Vietnam in order not to attract attention.
Agent Brown realized that bicycles were used by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka for transporting explosives and suicide bombers.
Agent Smith knows that the Seattle Police Department also uses bicycles to stealthily approach and subdue suspects.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 06:08 PM (VDGim)
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Is actus right about the bicycle pants leg? If so I told this guy is sharp!
maybe its like an islamic hip hop gang thing - kinda like their colors. They don't seem to have any basebal caps to wear sideways so I guess their are making due with cheap hotel towels.
How would rap actually sound in arabic? Anybody wanna give it a shot?
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 06:16 PM (3aakz)
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Dirka-dirka, my bitch is in Burka,
like Mohammed did Jihad,
I rock the Baghdad,
the soldiers, they don't see me,
rollin' in my VBIED,
under tha' seat, the RDX blew,
my virgins bitches, they number seventy-two,
Alah Ackbarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
short notice, what can I say ;/
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 06:31 PM (CcXvt)
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Agent Brown has discovered that, historically, when a strong army fights fragmented and weak enemies, the strong army becomes weakened and the weak enemies are strenghtened. The ragtag, bicycle riding enemies are a most dangerous signal.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 07:30 PM (VDGim)
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I think we discussed this the other day, not only is this insurgency no different than any other insurgency, counter-insurgency methods are already undermining both the terrorists, and insurgents alike.
The average insurgency lasts nine years, I would say we're well ahead of schedule, would you not?
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 07:44 PM (CcXvt)
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a reoccuring post to follow ...
Agent Smith
Mort Sahl was a satirist and an ultra-liberal and was quite funny and good at it.
Al Franken is a satirist and an ultra-liberal and not funny at all - he's actually quite bad at it.
You wish to be a satirist (as opposed to a comedian - there is a difference) - and follow in the footsteps of lil' Al.
Well - those are tiny shoes to fill, and you are doing an adequate job of it.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 08:08 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Smith says that Hondo still needs training wheels on his bicycle.
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Of course, the left may tend to argue that the bicycle clip proves the "insurgents" are also eco-warriors who eschew mechanised transport.
On the other hand, don't forget that the principle means of transport of NVA and VC was the bicycle, used to shift many thousands of tonnes of supplies along the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Historically, all "insurgencies" tend to die after an average of six years of determined suppression. E.g, the Boer rebellion, Malaya and Aden. Viet Nam was an exception, yet it remains perversely touted as some kind of paradigm. The question remains one of having the determination to persist.
Posted by: booyakka at December 03, 2005 08:37 PM (n66qx)
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Can I just say something about our media? The other day I heard an interview of a reporter in Iraq. He commented on the very videos and pictures shown here and also commented about how the Pentagon issues its press reports.
What amazed me was this MSM reporter took the insurgent's videos and images completely at face-value while commenting on the "spin" the U.S. military uses to issue reports.
When are these media people going to wake up and realize that they're being completely and utterly manipulated by a terrorist insurgency?
Posted by: J at December 03, 2005 09:32 PM (/P1rH)
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Agent Smith researched the 2007 war with Iran and how it played out. Once Iran controlled Sistani-land in the south of Iraq, the retreating Americans were harassed all the way back to Kuwait. It was a bad scene, for which President Bush was finally impeached in the latter half of 2008.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 09:37 PM (VDGim)
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>>>"The question remains one of having the determination to persist."
The Left's only determination is to see the mission fail. They believe failure in Iraq is the only way to regain their political power. Loyalty to party supercedes loyalty to country. They are traitors.
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Agent Brown opines on the statement, "Loyalty to party supercedes loyalty to country." Loyalty is a concept that is prevalent in all human societies. Like you, in our quest to secure the core network against all threats, all Agents are fiercely loyal to the Architect and follow every one of his orders, however ridiculous.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 10:49 PM (VDGim)
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why not save the next post, and have a wank instead.
Posted by: dave at December 04, 2005 12:09 AM (CcXvt)
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I think Hondo hit the nail on the head. Rappist terrorists.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:05 AM (gvOyZ)
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Iraq use to be one of the most wealthiest financially,and the most Educated people on the planet.But When Sadam Hussein rfused to Jump and rollever" anymore.Embargos, enforced restrictions, secret bombings, crippling Iraqs infrastructures by Americans and its partners the true axis of evil" bought Iraq to the pathetic state its in now.They might have bent them. But the spirit will never be broken. Good on ya freedom fighters kill, maim, murder as many yank, brit and coalition assoles as possible send them back to mom and pops or is it mummy and daddy in bodybags .I,m a kiwi born and bred but even in this bubble i can see scumbag arrogant assoles cornfed on lies by the biggest terrorists Bush,Blair and rest of the Coalition lapdogs you morons emailing in wouldnt have the guts to die for any cause whatsoever.Fighting for Iraqi peoples freedom?You scumbag soldiers,security personel are murdering them and that is the reason you will never win if the people aren,t on side then more freedom fighters you will produce, this invasion proves the stupidity of coalition soldiers fighting for a war based on lies but like the emperor's new clothes" we will pretend we dont see it but I,m hoping like heck Your father's ,mother's sister's, brothers's will see it when your pinebox coffins come rolling off the planes.By the way that kiwi idiot student who happened to be taken hostage along with other do-gooders these vultures just like all the rest are by-products of this illegal invasion please cut his godamn throat and all the others, make it slow and from ear to ear just like that American jerkoff make sure you have it on the net.Good luck insurgent freedom fighters, the road will be very hard and very long but the more American,British, Coalition and do-gooders bodies sent home in bits an pieces maybe will show the world tha this lie of a invasion must come to an end.
Posted by: freedom at December 04, 2005 05:53 PM (cQE8Q)
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You are not a Kiwi arab dog because you can't even write properly and NZ is an English speaking country. You are just another islamic bastard living it up in the west because your own country is so shitty. How many state benefits have you and your parasitic clan bludged while decrying the efforts of the western world?
Posted by: Jester at December 04, 2005 06:12 PM (wBDaS)
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freedom?
What's ya point?
Posted by: hondo at December 04, 2005 06:22 PM (3aakz)
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Oh poor jester you got my ethnicity wrong.You also have my employment status wrong.Forgive my my English its not quite up to scratch but when i see innocent civilians, Being fired indiscriminately at.I ask myself as I shake with outrage I'd better get my comments grammatically correct because.Jester the Professor in English my find this more shocking than gutless men mowing down innocent people.eres
My ethnicity is Samoan but I would love to meet you so you can walk the talk big man.Jester your obviously a white gutless how did you put it DOG!!
Posted by: freedom at December 04, 2005 06:41 PM (cQE8Q)
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Samoans would have their head sawn off by Zaqueery too, most are Christian. You'll have to travel a long way to meet me but I'm not gutless having already fought for my country. It's a shame you are Samoan as I have a few Samoan friends from my years in the South Pacific. Siding with the muslims shows you are ill-informed...Talofa dude.
Posted by: Jester at December 04, 2005 07:42 PM (wBDaS)
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Fought for your country?What and that makes you courageous.Like your soldiers are fighting for their country now?You call Having the largest nuclear arsenal,the most sophisticated weaponry built.Spending trillions on reseach to produce even more futuristic weaponry to kill,maim your fellow man, you call that fighting.You might as well be fighting against people who are using sticks and stones!!an example When you Killed Sadams son's obviously they were such a threat anti tank rockets had to be repeatedly fired into that house.That's your idea of fighting? That's why unlike you these,insurgents I call them freedom fighters have had to resort to suicide bombings now there's real balls, that's real courage.Thats something, us living the West will never understand.I suggest you do a bit reading you sound like an older person.BUT surely you can understand when you try to impose your will another persons country.That's like backing people into a corner. Mate! wake up! They're fighting you back with weapons made in the West! Some even made in the good 'ol USA. Have you found Sadams secret stash of WMD?no
Is their a link between 9/11 and Iraq?hell no
Are the Iraqi people better off now then they were under Sadam's Regime?bloody hell no the only difference now is, we the almighty West the saviours are murdering them, and you know why mate BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME!! our coalition forces cannot or will not tell the difference between friend or foe so with our own safety in mind kill anything that moves. The Iraqi's have gone from a stable dictatorship under Sadam to this godforsaken Bloodbath.
So what was this War all about? Control of their resources?Hell yeah If anybody thought that the deaths of hundreds of thousands on whoever's side just to get rid of Sadam, the reason, grow up.If even a quarter of the trillions spent instead of trying to come up with new ways of snuffing out human beings was spent on researching for alternative energy sources.Then the USA truly would be the beacon of democracy, instead of the overfed bully.Then we wouln't be online like bloody kids, throwing insults an our two cents.
Posted by: freedom at December 04, 2005 09:05 PM (cQE8Q)
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If freaking bloody jihadists were not trying to take over the World, mr. freedom, we wouldn't have to be over there kicking their asses. The last time I checked the jihadists were taking heavy casualties while ours were light. My God, mr. freedom, 30,000 men were lost trying to protect your sorry ass from the Japanese. Shit, and you call yourself freedom. You need to sober up, you DA.
Posted by: jihadibane at December 04, 2005 09:29 PM (rUyw4)
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Maybe you need a history lesson your buddie's in the true axis of evil.The Brits found the remains of two japanese one man mini submersibles.It was on BBC. Check it out.Your Navy in Pearl Harbour dropped depth charges on them, they were outside the no spy zone.I mean you rant an moan when your caught spying.Killing of two men OUTSIDE the restricted area was an act of War. That's Why the Japs bombed Your Navy.BUT YOU HAVE A SELECTIVE MEMORY.Growing up I got the fed the usual history lessons,movies books (propaganda) the dastardly yellow peril were to blame.Surprise, Surprise Hey this might even surprise you.The Japs didn't attack you for no bloody apparent reason you attacked them first.But of course your'e always innocent your'e always right as long as you fool the public with half truths ,lies and try to rewrite history.By the way,the way China's going mate you and I are going to have to start learning to speak mandarin or whatever it would have been so much easier if I knew how to speak Japanese.
Posted by: freedom at December 04, 2005 10:15 PM (O2l+4)
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...from a stable dictatorship to a godforsaken bloodbath.??????
Actually it was a pretty intense bloodbath prior - simply kept off camera - dictatorships are kinda funny like that.
Now you get to see all the blood courtesy freedom of the press from the media - a democracy is kinda funny like that.
Can't miss the carnage - what with all those car bombings, suicide bombers, beheadings and such. The target of course is the Iraqi people themselves - men, women and children - the oddest thing is that the ones doing this are loyal supporters of Saddam and islamic fundamentalists. Unless of course you believe its American GIs driving the car bombs and strapping explosives to themselves.
Whatever - so when a suicide car bomber kills dozens or a hundred Iraqi civilians do you applaud?
I got to stop - I recognize simple-minded anti-Americanism - not worth pursuing - doubt you could find Iraq on the map or give a damn about them one way or the other.
So, how's the weather down there - coconut crop going to be good this year?
Posted by: hondo at December 04, 2005 10:34 PM (3aakz)
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oh please Hondo,anti Americanism If I have a different view .I,ll admit somewhat skewed but my own view isn't that freedom.But, would you know what that is? or is it you need other people to think for you.What's that your lying president said 45min is the time it would take for strike against you.Funny hondo the emperor's wearing invisible clothes but just as long as you pretend to see them.Now that's simple minded.What makes it worse is ignorance is no excuse. You do know this is exactly what,s going on in Palestine, funny how it is, another illegal occupation, suicide bombings.You hondo don't get it.Why are there more civilian casualties then actual combatants?oh me oh my what's that quaint word bandied about Collateral damage.If this is freeing people mate.To you and all your ilk they're all terrorist's' towel heads you could'nt give a rat's.They're opposing the mighty USA so like fleas squashed.Ends justify the means? .Right now I,m watching the 6.00 news.The leading story is your CIA and/or other organizations flying prisoners to other countries just to torture them.Out of sight out of mind.That must sit quite well with you because the impression you give' in your comments is that you care so very deeply for the Iraqi people.Even if you have absolutely no proof of guilt but they must all be tortured just for good measure.By the way I can't find to many coconut trees in New Zealand you would have to be simple to think so .Or do I need to take one of your special sight-seeing flights to re-adjust my view because if I'm not with you I must be against you?
Posted by: freedom at December 04, 2005 11:23 PM (O2l+4)
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I meant in Samoa - you do keep in touch with the boys back home now, don't you? So how's the coconuts?
Must be tough being a stranger in a no so strange land. If anti-Americanism makes you feel better about your place in the world (or lack of) then go for it.
Posted by: hondo at December 04, 2005 11:37 PM (3aakz)
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hondo don't get excited. I thought we were all entitled to our views but you seem to be quite preoccupied with how coconut crops are growing in Samoa.Dude if you like coconuts so much There,s American Samoa another one of your victories".You could perhaps holiday there one day.Come over to the the Western side.Meet the boys y'know experience the culture, live a little.I've been there on holiday sun, sand, surf, no towelheads to get your blood pressure up you would love it mate. I know living downunder in a backwater, slow-as country like New Zealand wer'e not quite up to your speed with your lot.I mean heres silly ol me thinking I have a right to an opinion.I should tow the line and think exactly whatever you think I should think.Jeez sort of reminds me of one thing us living the land of the long white cloud. Aotearoa. are famous or .SHEEP!!!!!
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Agent Smith and Jones concur that "Freedom" is an Iraqi Operation.
Agent Brown disagrees and says it is a parallellogram full of lies and distortions.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 05:39 AM (qLtuI)
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I wouldn't even waste my time on this "freedom" person. He/she is far too bitter and unreasonable.
Posted by: Oyster at December 05, 2005 06:08 AM (YudAC)
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Talofa Freedom,
I would suggest you stop believing Baathist propaganda. Like most oil-rich countries, Iraq has always been a shithole incapable of spreading wealth.
Posted by: Macktastick Rusty Wicked at December 05, 2005 08:56 AM (JQjhA)
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freedom,
Go to school, learn some English, read some history, and come back here in a few years and maybe I will know what the hell you are talking about, because dude, you aren't making a bit of sense to me. Might be your broken English, and I don't have a clue where I can learn Samoan.(Is that your language?)
Posted by: jihadibane at December 05, 2005 09:02 AM (rUyw4)
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The Japanese sub thing is more fictional than any of your claims. Pearl Harbor was not about that, even the most biased Japanese historian would agree. You are a mixed up dude freedom...and the first pro-jihadist Samoan I have ever come across. If you don't think fighting for your nation is admirable then go away...I bet you've never put your ass on the line for anything other than to vent anger from your safe little haven.
Posted by: Jester at December 05, 2005 01:15 PM (wBDaS)
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Freedom: Stupid name for a banana eating monkey looking piece of shit who doesn't deserve to know the english language. Back in your tree monkey. You're not ready to climb down yet. And get that stupid bone out of your nose.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 05, 2005 06:16 PM (9Dlss)
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i cant wait for the day, that people wake up and deport all muslim/arab scum from europe/usa.
i honestly wipe my arse on the koran every morning. a couple of pages get your shitty ring just as clean as toilet paper.
boycott the arab owned shops and businesses.
Posted by: london defense force at December 06, 2005 02:59 PM (B4Ge0)
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LDF...thanks for reminding me, I've just run out of toilet paper, time to visit the mosque for more supplies.
Posted by: Jester at December 06, 2005 03:27 PM (wBDaS)
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Well, I guess no more from the cannibal calling himself FREEDOM. Backward white hating piece of shit headhunter just out of the trees. Or not quite out of the trees. I can see him now. Bone in nose, sticks in his ears walking through the jungle chewing on a bone that used to be his neighbors arm. Washing it down with raw fish eyes and raw half hatched eggs. Friggin big mouthed animal.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 07, 2005 04:45 AM (OvTKg)
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Must say, just came across this site, but HAD to comment here. What amazes me most is that both the both the pro-islamist and the pro-american seemed to think that propaganda only emerges from the other side. Truth is, the DOD has a really tight hold on what information gets fed to the civilian news services . The BBC has done a somewhat better job of genuinse newsgathering, but the american press seems content to act like farm swine willing to take whatever scraps are tossed their way, be they liberal, or conservative. The US army's Psych-Op are doing a bang up job of media spinning a sows ear into a silk purse. The loose affiliation of competing iraqui islamic factions, for the most part also try and dedicate time and resources to dissimate disinformation but have fairly crude methods in my estimation. What i've seen seems to be political fanatics with axes to grind posting, instead of any reasoned analysis overall. That said, and despite all the cows manure being flung over the newswire, Iraq has not been a stable reigion for over half a millenia. Iraq, geographically, has several native/ethnic populations whom only stop fighting each other if they share a joint enemy, or dictator in common. The country is a toilet bowl, and personally i will be shocked to see anything more than perhaps a decade worth of secular democracy being compromised by Syrian, Iranian, and insurgency splinters into complete meaninglessness. There is a few hard facts that seem to escape people on all sides of this debate i've seen publically speculate here...
A) Saddamn Hussain, and Osama Bin Laden were both used extensivly and to great effect by US intellegence services who should have scrubbed their running dogs when they decommissioned them. Bush Sr should have ordered the shot back in 91, and established a resonably secure, permanent base at the time. Instead, now TWO generations of Bush's have done nothing but create a situation where the US will be forced to return to and implement so called "band aid" solutions.
B) Too much attention is being given to the pathetic, splintered Iraqui insurgency when clearly the forces funding, equipping, and motivating these factions lie beyond it's borders. Notably Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.
C) If the west would wean itself off of damned foreign fossil fuels, we could isolate this little crap-hole in Hell and let them busily kill each other until they grew out of political and religious despotism.
Posted by: Entropolis at December 20, 2005 03:45 AM (sS7+z)
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i have bought myself a mountain and i am going to dig myself a bunker.
the end is near!
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On Liquid Courage
After reading
this story about potential pill-popping by "insurgents," I just had to wonder a few things.
Isn't the call to religious jihad enough to inspire true fanaticism? Is the promise of 72 virgins and/or the Divine Protection of the Almighty not enough to inspire courage in all?
And speaking of courage, I know a thing or two about "liquid courage." Being a part of a people who pride themselves on drink, drink, and more drink, I would expect this sort of pill-popping crap from my brothers. But the "insurgents" are far more noble, being Holy Warriors of God, right? They follow strict rules in order to better themselves and obtain the favor of Allah. If these reports are true, I guess there must be a miscommunication between themselves and their Holy Book (and what would the odds be of that hypocracy ever happening in the Religion of Peace?):
"O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed." Quran 5:90
Now I see! The reason we are kicking their asses is because the "insurgents" have gone astray! If only they avoided being meth-heads, they would succeed. If only they had faith, they could truly stand against American and British tanks and destroy them with fireballs from their eyes and bolts of lightning from their arses.
But since intoxicants are the work of the devil, and the United States is the Great Satan, then it follows that OUR government interjected the drugs into these peaceful societies. First the CIA introduces crack into urban communities and now this. Oh, it has all the markings of a KKKarl Rove operation. You magnificent bastard!
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The source is the Mirror UK - I wouldn't give them any credibility. Today a story about insurgent drug use - tomarrow American soldiers abusing Iraqi children of something stupid like that. Its all sensationalist filler for a rag. They're just looking to cover all the bases.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 12:54 PM (3aakz)
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Actually hondo, it has been known for a while now that the jihadotards are routinely high as a kite when caught or killed. Even arabs aren't generally stupid enough to stand their ground against US forces. Their drug of choice seems to be opiates.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 01:09 PM (0yYS2)
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Yes maxie - I know - opiates allow them the illusion of "medicinal" strength and courage - allows them to rationalise their use within islamic culture.
I just hate our using the Mirror UK as a suppportive source because their crap.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 01:26 PM (3aakz)
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Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 02:31 PM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, I always have to wonder about the Mirror's validity, hence why I added the words "potential" and "if true," because I do remember some real whoppers served up in the past. If anything, I just find the idea interesting if only because I reflect on the stories of Mohammad Atta going to strip clubs and getting drunk regularly while in Florida... I guess jihadists can be very utilitarian "ends justify means" sort of people, when it comes to themselves that is. If only snoops.com could get to the bottom of this one.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 03, 2005 02:45 PM (sH4J5)
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As I posted before : 40 years ago one of the surest ways of identifying a FNG or a REMF was by how much respect they gave the enemy. Googling "drug use among insurgents in Iraq" didn't produce much, one item from nov 2004 in the second battle of fallujah where Marines found adrenaline and amphetamines. Under "opiate use in Iraq" many entries but all seem to be from the same source. with the exact same quotes. "fun fact ....." Of course opiates do have many beneficial medicinal qualities. Great for dysentery and helpful against shock .http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2005/1/17/251080.html http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20051121-093501-9601r.htm When deep in the woods I always take along something strong for pain. It will keep keep you going.
Posted by: john Ryan at December 03, 2005 04:35 PM (ads7K)
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Agent Brown says that delusional and impaired thinking destroys military effectiveness. When delusional and impaired thinking afflicts the leadership of a massive military effort, the effort is doomed to failure.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 07:33 PM (VDGim)
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a reoccuring post to follow ...
Agent Smith
Mort Sahl was a satirist and an ultra-liberal and was quite funny and good at it.
Al Franken is a satirist and an ultra-liberal and not funny at all - he's actually quite bad at it.
You wish to be a satirist (as opposed to a comedian - there is a difference) - and follow in the footsteps of lil' Al.
Well - those are tiny shoes to fill, and you are doing an adequate job of it.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 08:08 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Brown believes that Hondo is projecting his desires to wear small shoes.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 08:22 PM (VDGim)
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Winey, you're dead on. They've had to wire up their hostages and their suicide bombers with ketamine and meth to make 'em talk or make 'em fight. Sadr is running Afghan heroin and the Sunnis are running Syrian and Lebanese ganja. And Iran blames the US for all that heroin smuggling from Afghanistan while the mullahs probably have the concession to themselves.
Drinking societies are successful societies. Look at the British Empire.
Posted by: See-Dubya at December 03, 2005 11:40 PM (1EyVw)
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Yeah, and look at Ireland. Oh, wait ...
Posted by: Oyster at December 04, 2005 07:12 AM (YudAC)
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Go to San Francisco and you will find that the biggest drug dealers and now the muslim dogs. Irony here, that they claim not to use drugs. Maybe they just sell them? Perhaps the stupid koran allows that.
Received a E-mail from some dope head muslim freak who says and an ignorant for not reading the koran. Now, I wonder who is the most ignorant. Those who don't read the koran or those stupid enough to believe in such bullshit.
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I used to believe muslims were just backward dumbasses. Now I believe muslims are stupid backward dumbasses.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:17 AM (gvOyZ)
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You disappoint me, Mr. Anderson.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 05, 2005 05:39 AM (qLtuI)
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So what. You disapointed your parents when you started admiring 8 year old boys.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 05, 2005 06:19 PM (9Dlss)
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The Window is Closing
Even as Iran
prepares to kick out inspectors once again, they are arming their sites with Russian SAMS to defend against air attacks. According to
Jed Babbin, who I wish gave a source for that fact, Israel's aircraft will no longer be able to reach Iran's nuclear sites once these high-tech SAMS are in place. Only our stealth fighters will.
Maybe that will give us some clarity. I have been hoping for so long Israel would just go ahead and Osirak some of these sites--obviously we can't get them all, but if we shoot in the middle of the SAMS in, e.g., Nataz or Isfahan. Now either they do it by the time these new SAMS get in place, or we do. And I'm sure they don't want to do it.
Why Russia is so blithely proliferating nuclear weapons is a subject for another post sometime, but it looks to me like the NPT and the IAEA have become about as relevant to international politics as a UN General Council resolution.
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What is it with Russia and its seeming inability to find sane leaders? Does Putin just not care that the people he is helping are arming and training the Chechens? I think Putin is just feathering his nest and planning to retire somewhere nice and peaceful while the world tears itself apart. The man is an idiot.
These missiles just add another layer of instability to an already untenable situation, and I don't think it will be long before we have to send our forces into Iran. I just hope that we can get the Iraqi Army up to speed soon enough to free up our troops to invade Iran, which is looking more and more inevitable every day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 12:13 PM (0yYS2)
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Our stealth bombers will take out those SAMS, and Isreal's jets will finish off the job. Then we'll land a marine division on their primary nuke site and secure it against an Iranian counterattack while the Army Corp of Engineers dismantles it real nice and up close. If well coordinated, the entire operation could take less than a day or two and Liberals won't even have time to star whining by the time we withdraw.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 12:48 PM (8e/V4)
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Well if we go to the trouble, we should just make a full-blown invasion of it, and liberate the country from the mad mullahs while we're at it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 01:11 PM (0yYS2)
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The best bet for Israel woule be to take out Iran's "President" and a few hundred of hius henchmen first and see what develops afterwards.
Posted by: Ayatrollah at December 03, 2005 01:53 PM (x2mun)
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The Russians have always valued cash and believe that even if their weapons get turned against them, well, that can always be dealt with later on.....somehow. Plus there's no real shortage of customers eager to hand over their money just to find out that the system doesn't quite work as well as the guy at the defense expo said it would. Hopefully the US and Irael won't have to take any action. It would be sweet if all that Russkie reactor and processing technology suffered a catastrophic failure the same day that the 30 day warranty expires. Then the world could sit back and smile as all requests for clean up assistance is denied. Ahhhh alas tis not meant to be.
Posted by: Graeme at December 03, 2005 02:19 PM (eb53o)
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Ironically Iran has said on numerous occasions it does not fear the United States military due to the "mess" we're in Iraq.
Unfortunately Iran's leaders have not read a history book, nor a book on Military tactics because we do not have to _invade_ Iran in order to destroy it. Blanket bombings, and targeted strikes against their military and industrial targets for example.
However, it is unlikely the U.S will have a hand in this, the U.S cannot even substain military action in Iraq, without the "evil Bush" infecting the Media, Congress and citizens, imagine the "Evil empire" banners if the U.S authorized action against Tehran?
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 02:21 PM (CcXvt)
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You're probably right Dave, and I'm guessing that it won't be long before we well some first generation stealth bombers and fighter to Israel.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 02:33 PM (0yYS2)
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I can't believe we're doing the same thing over
again. Has
anyone read the Wretchard Conjectures? And we're just sitting here
waiting for it to happen. Jeez!
Posted by: MegaTroopX at December 03, 2005 02:38 PM (yT/Rw)
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Agent Brown has realized IAEA inspectors have never been allowed to inspect Israeli nuclear facilities.
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>>>"Agent Brown has realized IAEA inspectors have never been allowed to inspect Israeli nuclear facilities."
The IAEA and whose army.
Israel gets to keep its nukes, Iran doesn't. Period.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 06:15 PM (8e/V4)
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Agent Brown says that Israel never permitted IAEA to enter it's territory, but instead allows American inspectors limited access, similar to the way a U.S. state would be checked.
Agent Jones thinks that Iran will cause big problems in the southern "Sistani" section of Iraq they control by proxy and disrupt shipping in the Hormuz straits if their regime is threatened.
Agent Smith concurs.
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>>>"similar to the way a U.S. state would be checked."
or a U.S. ally. But state works for me too.
Iran must not go nuclear.
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Agent Brown agrees with Jesusland Carlos: Iran must not go nuclear.
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Officials: CIA missile strike kills al-Qaida No. 3
Another murderous terrorist islamofascist scumbag meets Allah....
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The operational commander of al-Qaida and possibly the No. 3 official in the terrorist organization, Hamza Rabia, was killed early Thursday morning by a CIA missile attack on a safehouse in Pakistan, officials told NBC News.
Pakistan's president later confirmed the militant leader's death.
“Yes indeed, 200 percent. I think he was killed the day before yesterday if I’m not wrong,” President Pervez Musharraf told reporters as he arrived in Kuwait on an official visit on Saturday.
While Pakistani officials publicly said Rabia died in a blast caused by explosives stored in a house for bomb-making, officials speaking on condition of anonymity told NBC News he was killed by a CIA missile strike carried out by an unmanned Predator airplane
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I'll be shocked if it's true, given the CIA's history of ineptitude of late. I'm more willing to believe that it really was an accident.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 09:42 AM (0yYS2)
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Al qaeda's got lots of #3's. I'm more of a #6 man myself.
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 09:45 AM (tz3LX)
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for once rectus makes a good point. How many #2's and #3's does Al Qaida exactly have?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 09:49 AM (8e/V4)
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Al Qaida's #3 slot is the terrorist equivalent of Thule Air Base in Greenland. It's where you know you'll end up if you screw up just enough, but not so bad that you get kicked out of the organisation.
Posted by: Graeme at December 03, 2005 10:03 AM (EnX6Q)
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A kill is a kill. You guys are getting so negative! How many #2s and #3s do they have? I dunno - but I do know I've got enough bullets and bombs for all of them.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 10:49 AM (3aakz)
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Okay, let me 'splain the dynamics of a chain-of-command structure; when someone in the chain is killed, everyone under him gets promoted. This is how we keep killing their number two and three guys. At this point, the guys who are currently two and three were probably just messenger boys sometime last year.
It's not really that important that we kill Osama, because we've got him isolated, and he has to keep sending these poor dumbasses out to do his bidding, and they keep getting whacked. With a high casualty rate, that means they have to recruit, which means we can eventually get someone inside, and they may learn where he's hiding, then
KABOOM!, he gets a Hellfire missile up his man-dress.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 10:58 AM (0yYS2)
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Another one dead! Rah, Rah, his boom ba. Who cares what number he is as long as he's dead.
Posted by: thirdee at December 03, 2005 11:07 AM (yu9rw)
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Good point thirdee, a dead terrorist is a good terrorist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 12:14 PM (0yYS2)
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This is part of the disservice the media and the Administration have done in the war against terror, is that is they have average joe now believes Al Qaeda is a card carrying terrorist club.
In reality it is a loose knit of multiple terrorist organizations. Who is the real "Al Qaeda" muscle? well that would be the Muslim Brotherhood (Egyptian Islamic Jihad).
Who comes from the Egyptian Islamic Jihad:
Ayman al-Zawahri #2 Al Qaeda.
"Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman (U.S Custody)
Muhammed Atef (killed by CIA Hellfire strike)
Abdullah Azzam (killed in Carbomb planted by Zawahri/Atef?)
Mohamed Atta (member of the Engineers Syndicate controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood)
In reality it's like this:
"Mohamed Dirka-Dirka" sells explosives to "Muhammed abdul Jihadi"
"Mohamed Dirka-Dirka" belongs to "Islamic Jihadi in Cairo" a known Al-Qaeda frontgroup, "Muhammed abdul Jihadi" belongs to "Islamic Cairo Jihad (SPLITTERS!) now it is said in Intelligence that "Islamic Cairo Jihad" has "operational ties" to Al-Qaeda.
Eventually that becomes "Al-Qaeda frontgroup Islamic Cairo Jihad" as the intelligence increases of their co-mingling.
In reality the command structure is in tiers, you have the obvious top tier:
Bin Laden,Zawahri these are the money, and planning behind the group.
The rest of your command structures follow the lines of their original groups, for most people who think that Saudi/Iran are the biggest radicals in Al-Qaeda most of the top operatives are from Egypt, and fought in Afghanistan together.
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 12:21 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave, it ultimately doesn't matter who is in who's superduper secret women haters club, as long as they keep getting whacked.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 01:14 PM (0yYS2)
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So it doesn't matter than the key infrastructure is made up of country that is the recipient of billions of dollars of aid? nor that the Muslim Brotherhood are starting to gain power again in Egypt?
OK! Just checking
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 01:33 PM (CcXvt)
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That's another matter Dave, though a very valid point. Unfortunately we are held hostage by our foreign aid Danegeld, that we started paying some decades ago and which has now become an addiction. I wish that we could someday get a government that isn't corrupt from head to toe, and that would stop this idiocy, but sadly, that will never happen as long as the average American idiot voter is willing to accept a place at the trough in exchange for our liberty and security. Frankly, this situation is of our own making, because we have the power to make the government do the right thing, but there are too many among us with a vested interest in the status quo to even consider it, and so we will continue to pay the Danegeld, though it's no longer enough to appease the Danes.
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Yep, we are indeed rewarding countries that export radical Islam, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Yemen to name but a few with Billions of dollars of business, or aid.
The sad fact is that while the administration has said that "you're either for us, or against us" States that export terrorism have frankly, remained untouched without military, or financial repercussions.
The fact that the War on terror has so many frontiers, with states that cannot be held responsible for the actions of their countrymen (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yeman, Kuwait, Iran etc.) means that we're jumping into bed, with some very ugly bedfellows (for example Pakistan) are they really our allies? The leaders of the country are so scared of pursing and prosecuting terrorists because half their country think Bin Laden is a hero! and it is also a hotbed of Islamic extremists.
I'm afraid of what will happen to us, if the Administration, and rogue agencies like the CIA, keep dealing with radical extremist based countries (Isn't that how we got here in the first place, with the CIA/Administration funding the Pakistani ISI to buy weapons for the Mujahdeen?)
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 03:59 PM (CcXvt)
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For the neighsayers asking how many #2's #3's etc Al Qaeda has, Improbulus Maximus was indeed correct -- the person killed replaced Abu Farraj al-Libbi :
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7734991/
Which as the article states, was the #3 Al Qaeda leader when he was captured in May of this year.
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 05:37 PM (CcXvt)
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Guess there is now a job opening for #3 - do you want it Dave?
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 06:26 PM (3aakz)
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No thanks, along with that job comes the life expectancy of a fruitfly.
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 07:05 PM (CcXvt)
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Agent Brown has run a search on Usama Bin Laden. He appears to be in Southern California at a Sonic hamburger restaurant, employed as a french fry cook.
Agent Smith disagrees, Usama Bin Laden is hiding in Virginia Beach, using a false identity to access the naval facility nearby as a gardener in front of the Commandant's house. He also moonlights as a limo driver.
Agent Jones says that Usama Bin Laden is dead, alive or both dead and alive.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 07:42 PM (VDGim)
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a reoccuring post to follow ...
Agent Smith
Mort Sahl was a satirist and an ultra-liberal and was quite funny and good at it.
Al Franken is a satirist and an ultra-liberal and not funny at all - he's actually quite bad at it.
You wish to be a satirist (as opposed to a comedian - there is a difference) - and follow in the footsteps of lil' Al.
Well - those are tiny shoes to fill, and you are doing an adequate job of it.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 08:10 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Brown says that Hondo is jealous of Al Franken.
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Posted by: Marvin at December 03, 2005 09:23 PM (5nven)
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I think it's time to take out the # 6s along with the # 3s.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:24 AM (gvOyZ)
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Agent Smith is now #3 in the al-Queda heirarchy, and you know what happens to those #3's.
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For those who don't know how a chain of command works, either in business or military circles, the #3 person is usually the operations executive, who actually has his boots on the ground moving forces and assests around, putting the plans of #1 and #2 into effect. That gives a deep chain of command that allows for lots of buffering against executive decapitation. Because of the pressure AQ is under now, it's unlikely that the #3 man ever even speaks directly to Osama, and probably gets his orders by messenger.
Part of the reason AQ can't put up much of a fight right now is that their communications have to pass through so many channels, it's almost impossible to have direct communications between command elements. If they talk to one another in any way, they will give themselves away unless they can meet face to face, so messenger is the most expedient route, and they probably try to use memorized messages as much as possible.
Because of circumstances, each terrorist command element must be able to act autonomously in feeding, equipping, training, and supplying themselves, which means that they are seriously hampered in their combat effectiveness. and must even risk exposure when they do something as simple as go to buy food. The key is to isolate different groups from one another, and turn informants so that a cell can be identified, isolated, and busted as quietly as possible, or loudly and publicly if need be. They have to avoid the most powerful military in the world while trying to fight it at the same time. The coward's tactic of roadside bombs have never worked before in any strategically meaninful way, and frankly, that's the only trick they have. They're losing, and will continue to lose, all we have to do is not quit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 04, 2005 03:16 PM (0yYS2)
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Another Isolated Incident?
Possible SAM launch at an airliner:
FBI agents and Homeland Security officials spent the weekend investigating the report of a possible missile fired at an American Airlines plane taking off from Los Angeles International Airport.
According to the article, the FBI seems to think that it is either a flare or a bottle rocket.
I dunno, most airline pilots are ex-military, I'm sure they can tell the difference between a flare and a SAM. As far as a bottle rocket? Please. I fired hundreds, possibly thousands of those things in my youth, I hardly think they would be mistaken for a SAM by even the most green of pilots.
However, at this early point in time, the door to all possibilities remains open.
Another odd thing is that the date underneath the headline is 11/28, 4 days ago.
I just found this story at Drudge a couple of minutes ago, and I did a Google news search and found only 2 stories, dated today.
Interesting.
As the big boys say, developing....
UPDATE:
Yup, already. The Blog Grandfather was on this earlier.
He links to this from Bill Quick:
UPDATE: I just talked with an FBI spokesman from the Los Angeles bureau who told me that the sighting was of "a contrail." The spokesman added that "all investigative leads were vetted and the results were negative." The investigation is now closed.
A contrail? A pardonmyfrenchgoddamncontrail?
A contrail results when water vapor in the air is heated by the friction of the airplane and then immediately condenses in the cooler air behind it (or something like that).
If this was a contrail....Where was the airplane that made it? Are they suggesting he saw his own plane's contrail?
UPDATE II: Further surfing shows that WitNit has been on this for some time now.
Granted, I wasn't there at the time it happened, but really, the explanations being put forth don't make much sense.
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Agent Brown says it was Hugo Chavez.
Agent Jones doesn't think so.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 11:14 PM (Y5zcg)
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Just another case of "nothing to see here, move along". I think the FBI would rather these things just didn't come to light so we never know how incompetent they really are.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 11:32 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Brown believes that if there was a contrail, Kim Jong Il did it.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 12:48 AM (Y5zcg)
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Take a hike Agent Tinfoil
Posted by: Observer at December 03, 2005 03:14 AM (7ZsmI)
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Agent Smith says "Observer" is a tinfoil covered parabolic reflector that focuses the rays of the sun on his own head and wonders why it is so hot.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 03:56 AM (TiLnn)
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For an investigative agency to even suggest that it may be a bottle rocket is simply ludicrous. A far more plausible explanation would have been a burning seagull.
Posted by: Graeme at December 03, 2005 06:39 AM (EnX6Q)
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Heh, good one Graeme. This news taken in conjuction with these other tidbits, http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3178421,00.html , and http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005550491,00.html , tells me that there's something going on here. I'll bet that someone had gotten some RPG's and possibly Stingers into several Western countries. Don't these idiots know that as soon as they do manage a few successful attacks, they'll be signing the death warrants of every muslim in America?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 09:46 AM (0yYS2)
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 09:46 AM (tz3LX)
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Stay calm. Let's not get hysterical until someone actually shoots down a plane over Queens, then we start blaming all the right people for having done nothing to prevent it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 09:53 AM (8e/V4)
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Maybe - maybe not. Let's not get all tied up in knots over this. Domestic security has been damn good! Anybody get blown up on Main Street lately? How do you judge success? To the lib/left there is no success - why are some of us joining them in that stupid game? Recognize and appreciate domestic success - and remember - that pisses off the left!
Don't over-react - don't get paranoid! It could have been a number of things - let it play out.
What's the over-reactive alternative? Shut down the air network - no travel during Christmas? Move the tree to the basement and put plastic sheeting on the windows?
You guys are supposed to be hard-core conservatives - so buck up and don't go all wimpy and hysterical on me like girly men!
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 10:45 AM (3aakz)
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No hondo, just deport all muslims and issue shoot-to-kill orders after a certain date.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 10:59 AM (0yYS2)
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Oh, thank God!
I was starting to worry about you!
"A certain date"? - Well that is mighty Christian of ya -
Who said maxie is cold and heartless!
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 11:11 AM (3aakz)
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Well, I do believe in giving even a rabid dog a sporting chance; it's only muslims who like to ambush and kill unsuspecting people.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 12:16 PM (0yYS2)
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"No hondo, just deport all muslims and issue shoot-to-kill orders after a certain date."
How about now big boy?
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 02:25 PM (dFCoa)
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IM:
Them and the Mexican army.
Posted by: MegaTroopX at December 03, 2005 02:32 PM (yT/Rw)
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Rectus, the adults are talking, so fuck off ya retard.
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"Rectus, the adults are talking, so fuck off ya retard."
And they're using adult words too! how fucking grownup.
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 04:51 PM (dFCoa)
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Agent Smith believes the Manpad attack was the work of a fry cook.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 07:43 PM (VDGim)
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a reoccuring post to follow ...
Agent Smith
Mort Sahl was a satirist and an ultra-liberal and was quite funny and good at it.
Al Franken is a satirist and an ultra-liberal and not funny at all - he's actually quite bad at it.
You wish to be a satirist (as opposed to a comedian - there is a difference) - and follow in the footsteps of lil' Al.
Well - those are tiny shoes to fill, and you are doing an adequate job of it.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 08:11 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Smith thinks Al Franken and Hondo were shooting toy rockets at LAX.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 08:27 PM (VDGim)
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Agent Vinnie thinks it's time that Agent Smith comes up with a new schtick, because it was amusing at first, but it's kinda getting old now.
Or, Agent Vinnie could have a chat with the Architect.
Posted by: Vinnie at December 03, 2005 08:59 PM (Kr6/f)
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Amen Vinnie Amen. But he's to much of a simpleton to realize it.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 05, 2005 06:25 PM (9Dlss)
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In a victory for National Security, and the American citizen not to be blown up, a judge ruled today against the ACLU, and for NYC Subways in their effort to protect their citizens.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A federal judge ruled on Friday that police had a constitutional right to randomly search passengers' bags on the New York City subway to deter terrorist attacks.
U.S. District Judge Richard Berman ruled the searches were an effective and appropriate means to fight terrorism, and constituted only a "minimal intrusion" of privacy.
"The risk to public safety of a terrorist bombing of New York City's subway system is substantial and real," Berman wrote in his opinion.
"The need for implementing counter-terrorism measures is indisputable, pressing, ongoing and evolving."
Random bag searches began on July 22 after a second set of bomb attacks on London's transit system.
In a statement, Mayor Michael Bloomberg praised the ruling, calling bag searches a "reasonable precaution" that police would continue to take.
The New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU), which had sued to stop the searches, plans to appeal, Executive Director Donna Lieberman said in a statement. She said the "unprecedented" bag search program violated a basic freedom.
Well of course they plan to appeal, they wouldn't want common sense to prevail! I understand the ACLU's concern on this. No one wants to live in a police state. However, I think they are completely overzealous in this. The majority of people do not mind being searched if it means they will live another day. Besides, the ACLU would have another fit if we were to try to implement profiled searches. And they have even proven through their lawsuit in Tampa against Raymond James Stadium that they are against searches across the board. The irony is that on their own building they have a sign that says you may be subject to search upon entering. The ACLU have twisted a legitimate attempt to protect NY's citizens into a scare tactic method completely overexaggerated. Why can't they see what most people can? The threat of being blown up is a greater risk, than the far fetched idea of a police state.
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If only someone were to get a photograph of that sign on their building that says anyone entering would be subject to a search... Someone? Anyone?
Posted by: Ariya at December 02, 2005 09:12 PM (+sjRV)
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Agent Smith says that bag searches are sheep bait while the "wolves" as described by Greyrooster will strike.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 11:16 PM (Y5zcg)
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Of course this is meaningless, because as soon as the first muslim is busted with a weapon, it'll become a big PC thing and the media will start screaming racial profiling. Every muslim should get a full body cavity search and X-ray every time they go out in public, and have to wear a tracking bracelet.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 11:35 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Jones nominates Improbulus Maximus to perform all body cavity searches in the New York Subway.
Agent Brown remembers, "the gloves have come off", and that means latex gloves too.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 12:42 AM (Y5zcg)
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No need for gloves, when a cattle prod and gaff hook will do nicely.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 09:47 AM (0yYS2)
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"The majority of people do not mind being searched if it means they will live another day. Besides, the ACLU would have another fit if we were to try to implement profiled searches."
Of course. They're both suspicionless searches. Why not just have regular suspicion based searches?
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 09:48 AM (tz3LX)
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>>>Why not just have regular suspicion based searches?
Because then we'd be accused of racial profiling. Didn't you know that one single solitary non-muslim bomber ten years ago in Oklahoma City proves that the terrorists aren't arabs and muslims?
We wouldn't want to be accused of racism. If we searched even one arab who turned up clean, imagine the politically correct Leftwing shitstorm we'd hit.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 10:24 AM (8e/V4)
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My friends and I at the armory have a pool going on what are the softest high-value public targets here in NYC.
Oddly enough top on the list is .... college and university campuses!
We spoke with some of their security personnel - they've just about given up on internal preventive security (wonder why?) and are concentrating on response and damage control.
The libs and the left just don't get it!
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 11:00 AM (3aakz)
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Why do they not sue the airlines first, and their search policy? I'm guessing because most of the country isn't a hippy colony like New York, and wouldn't stand for their PC crap.
Posted by: dave at December 03, 2005 11:52 AM (CcXvt)
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It's ironic that NY has one of the highest concentrations of terrorist-loving libtards, while also being at the top of the terrorists' hit list. I also find it grimly humorous that idiots like Michael Moore can't understand why the terrorists would attack a city whose population generally supports them, while out here in red state middle America, despised by liberals as being uncultured hicks, we support those who are trying to stop those who are trying to kill those who despise us. It's a sick and twisted world. I have to honestly say that I have stopped caring if the terrorists do manage to strike in the heart of libtopia again, because they want the terrorists to win, and as always, I'm all for giving people what they want, good and hard. Anyone with any sense should get out of liberal dominated areas, because it's those places that'll get hit first.
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"Because then we'd be accused of racial profiling. "
But race isn't a suspicion.
Posted by: actus at December 03, 2005 04:52 PM (dFCoa)
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>>>"But race isn't a suspicion."
case closed.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 06:07 PM (8e/V4)
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Agent Brown says that Improbulus Maximus is jealous over New York's immense cultural and economic might.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 06:12 PM (VDGim)
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Before you respond maxie remember ...
I'm here in NYC and I believe Bluto is just north up the Hudson Valley.
Posted by: hondo at December 03, 2005 06:31 PM (3aakz)
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Agent Jones says that both Hondo and Agent Smith love New York.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 08:28 PM (VDGim)
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It's fun to visit New York City for a couple days, but I sure wouldn't want to live there. Everything smells bad. Even the grocery stores smell like urine. I live in the south and I've heard more than a couple people who come down to visit from New York remark, "Wow, it's so clean here". So I'm not alone in my assessment.
Posted by: Oyster at December 05, 2005 06:20 AM (YudAC)
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Oyster: Depends on what part of NYC you hang in? The subways smell like urine, true. Because the dregs of society piss in them.
However, there are other parts. The more you can afford, the less in smells like urine. NYC also has a lot of culture that should not be missed. Next trip try the Museum of Natural History. It doesn't smell like urine. Nor does the Tavern of the Green. I lived there for a year. NYC is what you make of it.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 06, 2005 05:25 PM (JHIKU)
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New Video: Peace Activists Threatened With Death
UPDATE: We have the video.
Links and transcript here.
UPDATE: Confirmed by MSM sources. We are working on obtaining the raw video.
According to Matt Drudge, Al Jazeera has broadcast a video which purportedly threatens the life of four Western peace activists in Iraq. The names of the four activists are American Thomas Fox--who is also a blogger, Canadians Harmeet Singh Sooden and James Loney, and British citizen Norman Kember. The Jawa Report was the first media outlet to reveal the names of the hostages.
Because of the many similarities between the kidnapping of anti-American journalist Guliana Sgrena, it has been widely speculated that the terror organization never planned to kill the hostages, but are using the four peace activists as tools to drum up antiwar sentiment. However, because the orignial hostage video was first released on a website (contrary to media reports that al Jazeera first released the video) that belonged to a known terrorist organization the threat may very well be real.
The Jawa Report will post images and links to the video as soon as they are available.
UPDATE: Ian at the Political Teen has the al Jazeera video and has it posted here as does Bareknucklepolitics. Both are of a CTV report, and the latter has audio. We are still working on getting the original video before it went through the al Jazeera editing process.
Breitbart:
Al-Jazeera television broadcast a videotape Friday in which kidnappers of four Christian peace activists threatened to kill their hostages unless all prisoners in U.S. and Iraqi detention centers are released. The kidnappers gave the two governments until Dec. 8 to meet their demands, Al-Jazeera quoted a statement delivered with the tape as saying....
All four appeared frightened.
The Canadians were shown eating from plates of what appeared to be Arabic sweets. In a second clip, the British and American hostages were shown to talking to the camera but no audio was transmitted.
The two were calling on the U.S. and British governments to withdraw from Iraq, Al-Jazeera reported, quoting a statement from the kidnappers, who earlier identified themselves as the Swords of Righteousness Brigade.
Yes, very much like the Sgrena video indeed.
Developing....
More links at Pajama Media and in trackbacks below.
Please send tips to mypetjawa-at-gmail-dot-com and feel free to drop links to related stories in comments section.
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The only real comfort in that video, is the fact it gives the armed forces six days to locate them, and rescue.
That along with the fact they did not execute them in the time they held them. I'm not sure if it's my mind playing tricks but the execution of Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley wasn't very long after their capture.
Posted by: dave at December 02, 2005 03:26 PM (CcXvt)
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Hmmm....I have speculated over the past few days about what motive any particular terrorist group would have to murder the CPT team. But this group is bad, and perhaps I was wrong. It wouldn't be the first or last time.
Because certain groups such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine has called for their release, I am still hopeful that it will happen. We shall see.
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I've said it before -
The insurgents and jihadists are not playing to the western
media or audience.
They a playing to a middle-eastern islamic audience.
Difference rules and values apply!
The CPT and others better realize that - in Iraq they ARE NOT SEEN as anti-american pacifists and allies - they are seen as WESTERN INFIDELS AND INVADERS! AND FEAR AND TERROR DOES WORK WITH SOME!
Fortunately (odd thing for me to say), very few of the left and groups similar to CPT are in Iraq. (they apparently got the memo). They are here doing their thing from the comfort and safety of Western democracies.
Oddly too - hondo is on duty with many to provide for their (and everyone's) safety. Think they will sent me a Christmas card and say thank you?
Not likely - but I'm cool with that.
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 03:48 PM (Jvmry)
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Hey, hondo, I sure do wish you a Merry Christmas, and thanks for all you do to keep us free and safe!
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The release of all Iraqi detainees is an impossible demand and the terrorists know that. So perhaps the intention was to kill the hostages all along and then blame the US and Iraqi governments for not doing enough to save them even though they were being treated so nicely (Arabic sweets?). Alternatively, by asking for something that cannot be granted, perhaps the plan is to force the authorities to offer a hefty ransom instead - the main objective. I'm just speculating. Whatever it may be, I hope the guys on the ground get to them before the deadline.
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Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 04:22 PM (Jvmry)
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hondo,
That request sounds familiar. Oh yeah, I have a kid in college.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 04:44 PM (rUyw4)
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Hey all,
I have plans tonight and so won't be around much. If you find any interesting links regarding this case, please feel free to drop them in the comments section.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at December 02, 2005 04:47 PM (JQjhA)
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Trinity Broadcast network took Hal Lindsey,author of the late great planet earth,off tv because they said his show might be offending Muslims and arabs.Well,how about these damn hostage videos offending us.I am sick and damn tired of these damn ragheads and their tactics.
p.s.tbn was forced to rehire him after e-mails etread tony blankleys book!!
Posted by: tom at December 02, 2005 05:40 PM (dV2NF)
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Agent Brown searched and located the first threat to their lives on 11/29/05 at exactly 23:27.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 06:09 PM (Y5zcg)
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Ouch. No matter how you interpret it, this is a very bad sign for the four CPT members and my heart goes out to them and their families. There have been a number of prominent calls for their release from within the Muslim community but they appear to have fallen on deaf ears. Given the 1-week deadline, not all hope is lost for a peaceful resolution but it never helps to have a ticking clock.
Posted by: Rob at December 02, 2005 06:48 PM (vPEvo)
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The only "peaceful" resolution will be paying a ransom.
Posted by: dave at December 02, 2005 07:42 PM (CcXvt)
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What did you expect? When will people learn not to go there without a weapon in their hands. Muslim fanatics kill people. That's what they do. There is no other purpose for these animals. What else can they do. They contribute nothing but death and suffering to modern society. Why give the dogs the opportunity to do what they do. Do people in America need help of Christian organizations? You bet. So why go to a backward shit eating country?
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2005 07:44 PM (OvTKg)
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I'll bet a dollar they walk free after ransom.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 08:20 PM (0yYS2)
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well according to Rob, the group won't pay a ransom because the ransom would be used to commit violence?
Posted by: dave at December 02, 2005 09:02 PM (CcXvt)
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You disappoint me, Mr. Anderson.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 10:50 PM (Y5zcg)
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Those CPTers are the stupidest people on the planet, but they don't deserve to die that way. They're probably very good people at heart. I hope they're lives are spared.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 12:30 AM (8e/V4)
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Agent Smith says that their barbaric behaviour is a prime example of the rampaging lawlessness permitted by the lack of a real government there.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 04:01 AM (TiLnn)
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Smith,
"lawlessness"? It's called a war, an insurgency, terrorism, guerrilla war, etc.
These aren't common criminals stealing purses in case you haven't notice.
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Agent Smith says that whatever the situation on the ground in Iraq is, the locals are not under central government control. Sadr City, for example is under the control of the Mehdi army and Moqtadr al-Sadr. Sadr City's Iraqi Police and Iraqi Army units answer to him.
The only people under U.S. control are the Iraqi Army, who were led by Special Forces in recent Anbar battles.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 06:16 PM (VDGim)
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Does Agent Smith believe that what goes for the Sunni triangle goes for the rest of Iraq too? Is so, Agent Smith should guess again. Most of Iraq is directly under the control of the Iraqi government, even if the Sunni triangle is still a hotbed of terrorism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 03, 2005 06:54 PM (8e/V4)
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Agent Smith's deep sources in Iraq have revealed that Iranian power dominates in all southern provinces, the proxy leader being the Ayatollah Ali Sistani. The Sunni Triangle is an American overlay of a Sunni light industrial and agricultural region, teeming with insurgents and "goatboys".
Agent Brown says that historically, America has defined troublesome places in terms of "triangles". Hence, the historic triangles in Korea and Vietnam. Two points would just be a line and four points gets too complicated because the shape is inherently unstable. It could shift and become a parallellogram to feared by all square bashers.
Agent Jones says that if three troublesome points cannot be found by America, America will create them, as trouble always comes in threes, like Airline crashes. Hence, the Axis of Evil lumped two arch-enemies, Iran and Iraq plus lunatic Kim Jong Il. By creating the bonds between the enemies, America gets to fight them all as if they were one big enemy.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 07:54 PM (VDGim)
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"Peace" activists taken hostage. Kind of like "human shields" blown up. Do I care? On one level, yes. But on another -- not at all. Serves these folks right. What the hell did these brainless idiots expect? They walk into a warzone of a battle between Christian and Muslim forces -- they are Christian. Gee - do ya think the muzzies are going to let em off with a slap on the wrist? Nahh. Your head is on the block in this war if you aint fighting for Allah.
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Antisemitism at Crooks and Liars
Headline from Crooks and Liars:
War Profiteer and the $10 million Bat Mitzvah
I dunno, something about blaming Jews for profiteering off the death of soldiers sounds familiar somehow........like deja vu or something.
Hat tip: Ghost of a Flea for the e-mail.
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Hey, let the record show that I was on the front line of anti-semitism, as always, in my first post to Jawa. I linked to the same damn story those Crooks and Liars did... just I called Fiddy Cent (thanks, everyone) playing the bat mitzvah as a sign of the apocalypse. I knew, KNEW, I should have phrased it with more JOO baiting. Curse this metal body, I wasn't fast enough!
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 02, 2005 03:02 PM (Wsn+K)
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"I dunno, something about blaming Jews for profiteering off the death of soldiers sounds familiar somehow"
They should have called it a 'party' then?
Posted by: actus at December 02, 2005 03:23 PM (CqheE)
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And actus chimes in with a defense of anti-semitism!
Posted by: Robert Crawford at December 02, 2005 04:24 PM (Gn9tM)
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Ok did greg somehow get a password to this thing.
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 04:32 PM (D3+20)
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I'm seriously, this diminishes real anti-semitism. It contributes to a political culture in which anyone you don't like is called Hitler, legitimate criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, and where someone stating facts is impugned rather than us addressing those facts. Philosemites need to stop this.
Again, I'm seriously.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at December 02, 2005 05:57 PM (oaSLc)
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Antisemitism??????????? Is this something new? Gee Whiz. Never heard of this before.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2005 07:47 PM (OvTKg)
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A Jew threw a party for his daughter? A freaking
party??? Oh man that really pisses me off! What the hell gives a Jew the right to have a freaking party?!?!?! Who do these people think they are anyway, going around throwing parties and crap like that? I thought I'd seen the worst of humanity, what with islamofascist suicide bombers blowing up kids and all, but this, this is just too much. I bet the bastard will want to throw his little princess a big wedding too! The absolute freaking
nerve!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 08:26 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Brown says that Saddam Husayn al-Tikriti, a semite, threw massive parties also.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 10:51 PM (Y5zcg)
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You're all just jealous. The gracious Mr. Brooks sent over a case of Dom to us at ZOG HQ. What a mench.
Posted by: Gordon at December 03, 2005 09:20 AM (dEFhD)
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Damn, and the outposts didn't get anything.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 09:48 AM (0yYS2)
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Where do you get anti-semitic out of that? It doesn't matter what his background is, the fact us that he was selling defective armor to the soldiers and spending the profits on a party. That's what people are upset about.
Posted by: Allison at December 03, 2005 03:27 PM (5VbjS)
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Do you mean that their is possibily a single Jew who would sell defective armor to soldiers and throw a party with the profits? Gee Whiz Guys. We must hate them all now. Hope there is no corrupt Swedish/Norweigian 10th generation Americans out there. Don't want the world to hate me.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:35 AM (gvOyZ)
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On Propaganda in War II: Electric Bugaloo
Matt Welch has responded to those arguing for propaganda in
Reason magazine here. Matt and I have exchanged several e-mails over the subject, the crux of which were "Boy, I just really wish we had the time to delve into this more deeply"--or, at least,
I wish I had more time. I mean, it is
Friday and I am a university
professor and blogging is
work.....
Nevetheless, the divide here seems to be between the neo-libertarian right--which believes liberty means something different in war time than in peace--and the paleo-libertarian right--which believes (at least under my reading) that liberty is a constant.
Here is one of the core arguments made by Matt:
Shackleford's folly, aside from the feeble unpatriotic slap, is that that formulation assumes all weapons are equally neutral in moral value and practical effectiveness, which they are not. There's a reason, aside from international treaty, we no longer use nerve gas on enemy lines, or napalm on villages, or atomic bombs on cities -- world reaction would cause more negative consequences than whatever "positive" gains could be had on the ground. And if we used horses to do a tank's job, or muskets instead of M-16s, these weapons wouldn't be an "asset," they'd be a hindrance.
Since the majority of
Matt's Reason article targets my post on
Propaganda in a State of War, and since I can't really respond to all of his objections right now, what to do? Call in the pinch-hitter, of course. This is the American League, after all.
Now batting for Rusty Shackleford, Steve Green the Vodkapundit:
Now then. If a nuke were to go off in New York or Los Angeles or even Des Moines tomorrow, do you doubt that even President Kerry (cough, cough) would hesitate before retaliating in kind? Oh, but that would be retaliation, wouldn't it? And would it not therefore be a fair response? And what about propaganda? It's not as if the enemy doesn't use it – so why should our government be so restrained? Especially when our stuff is pretty damn innocent? [Read the rest]
Home run!
The second, and more important argument made by Matt is on the effectiveness of propaganda. Even if it is moral to use, it should not be if it does more harm than good:
Is unlabeled propaganda a useful weapon? In the long run I don't think it is. First, people will eventually find out, either from military officials alarmed at the practice, or Iraqi journalists with whatever motive. As most dictators have eventually learned, truth [ed note: emphasis mine] has a way breaking through even the tightest of seals.
The major problem here is the assumption that propaganda produced by the U.S. military may not be
true. To believe propaganda is always based on lies is to fundamentally misunderstand the definition of propaganda. Propaganda is the use of information to a specific ends, or the use of information (which may be true) to further specific goals.
And as long as we're playing with effete American League rules, why not send in two pinch-hitters for Shackleford (after all, I'm a pitcher not a catcher)? Now batting for Rusty Shackleford, Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdon:
....the actual “outing” of the propaganda effort by the LAT is, ironically, the only thing that might cause the effort to backfire—but then, we murder to dissect, as they say....
Taking this parallel one step further, let me add that our use of propaganda seems to me to fit this paradigm perfectly, insofar as we have used it to beat back the anti-American rhetoric coming not only from the Arab world, but from the western press as well.
Or to put it more bluntly, this campaign was designed to retaliate not only against enemy propaganda in Iraq and other parts of the middle east, but ironically (and sadly) against our very own media, whose coverage has been almost uniformly sensationalistic and dire. [Read the rest]
Ouch. If not a Grand Slam then at least a two-run homer.
UPDATE: Wunderkraut sends me a link to this nifty graphic from File It Under. Click it for a larger view and then go check out the original post here.
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Nice work, Professor. Matt keeps on hammering on the point that *all* propaganda is useless or worse, without ever quite saying exactly how.
I don't know about you, but I'm a little tired with the whole thing. And when I say "the whole thing," I mean this hipper-than-thou libertarian
pose that anything emanating from the Pentagon must be lies.
Posted by: Stephen Green at December 02, 2005 12:10 PM (QzFHt)
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I am pretty confident that the "propaganda"in both the newspapers and the purchased Iraqi radio station was seen by most Iraqis for exactly what it was, propoganda. Do you think that this "outing" came as a surprise to the Iraqis ? Who do you think has a better idea of what is going on in Iraq ? Americans or Iraqis ? Did the pictures of abu Gharib come more of a shock to Americans or Iraqis ? For any propaganda to be useful, it must be believed.
Posted by: john Ryan at December 02, 2005 12:28 PM (ads7K)
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Did the pictures of abu Gharib come more of a shock to Americans or Iraqis ?
Pictures from
when? If you're talking about Graner, et. al., from what I understand, the Iraqis were impressed that we owned up to the abuses and punished the abusers.
If you're talking about pictures from Saddam's regime, then I don't think they've seen much circulation here in the US. Too nasty for the press to let us know about, apparently -- not that covering up for Saddam's reign of terror is propaganda. No siree. That's just good journalism, protecting sources.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at December 02, 2005 12:46 PM (1j9aH)
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Damn good showing.
It is a sad fact that we even have to be doing this to help offset our own media. But that is the part that the Left can not understand. See, to them we have a nice fair and balanced media.
Like I posted today: It's not like these stories are fake or false. No, they are stories about schools and hospitals and clean water and sanitation. Damn, our guys are EVIL!
File It Under has an awesome post about this today along with a great graphic.
Posted by: WunderKraut at December 02, 2005 01:42 PM (0yMxr)
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The loneliest job in the world must be the public affairs officers working at http://www.centcom.mil
They release hundreds of positive stories in Iraq, and Afghanistan showing progress in both rebuilding the countries, and individual acts of charity by Units/Soldiers, other than Jawa and LGF I cannot remember anyone citing centcom as a source, and I don't think I can recall reading any of them on the site and seeing them on TV.
Posted by: dave at December 02, 2005 02:43 PM (CcXvt)
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I wonder if those who object to gov't funding or furnishing of information that is intended to sway minds feel the same way about gov't funded or legislated information campaigns intended to reduce smoking, encourage seat-belt use, discourage racism, discourage teenage drinking and drug use, etc?
I wonder, but I think I can guess fairly accurately.
Posted by: DSmith at December 02, 2005 08:20 PM (xDhz9)
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One question I have for those who think this propaganda is harmful to the mission is: Should the US never counter or promote itself in the Iraqi and Arabic media? Should we sit around with our thumbs up our collective @ss and not respond to the misinfomation and propaganda issued by the MSM and terrorists? That seems like a route to certain disaster under Vodkapundit's
conjecture that the WoT is as much a media/information war as it is a hot conflict.
We are already disliked and distrusted by the majority of the Arab world, damaged done, for better or worse, our fault or not. You can't break a glass twice. Facts and emphasis on real projects and iniatives can't do anymore damage.
In a more tame arena, the Clinton's famous war-room was designed to counter and beat back all claims by the Bush team quickly. Now the American people distrust politicians and PR spokesholes as much then as they do now. I have yet to hear or read any negative consequences of the Clinton war-room, rather we are told again and again that the war-room was a big part of the campaign that got the Clintons into office.
Posted by: adamthemad at December 02, 2005 09:05 PM (Mv4Mu)
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Agent Jones says that in the name of GAOTU, all crimes are leased.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 10:53 PM (Y5zcg)
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When did people with Welch's views become libertarians? I like to read the guy and think he is smart, but a libertarian? I always wondered why he called himself that, maybe it was the legalization issue? What I'm saying is that he seems pretty freakin' Left to me.
Posted by: Pepys at December 02, 2005 11:38 PM (TMQ/j)
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Agent Jones has found photo images taken from Iraq at http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/albums.php?set_albumListPage=1
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 06:43 AM (gQOoS)
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HEY! Obscure 80s refs in general, and "Electric Boogaloo" specifically is MY dohicky. I have a, well, .... , I pissed on that tree first.
Well, I will share in with the good Dr. Shackleford....that is the least I can do. I am honored that it isn't as dorky as Mrs. Salamander says.
Harumph.
Word to your mother!
Posted by: CDR Salamander at December 03, 2005 07:30 AM (RAU18)
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The fact of the matter is that the LAT and NYT reporters have committed treason. I mean that as a matter of fact, not hyperbole. Deliberately exposing the Pentagon's propaganda/counter-propaganda program was an act in no substantial way different than publishing the routes and sailing times of convoys would have been during WWII.
These "journalists" deserve to spend the rest of their days in prison, or worse. No joke, no tongue-in-cheek here.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 03, 2005 11:56 AM (RHG+K)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2005 02:54 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Smith hereby nominates Judith Miller and William Kristol as recipients of the Architect's "Treason Award".
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 09:51 PM (VDGim)
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DSmith: Spend my tax dollars to discourage racism. Now that is what I call a waste of money. Racism rules and us racists are growing in number every day. White people must be racist to protect themselves from the ghetto loving liberals in our government.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:39 AM (gvOyZ)
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Army of Ansar al-Sunna Murders Iraqi on Video
The Army of Ansar al-Sunna has murdered a captured Iraqi jail guard named Nasser Had Ali in a new video released on the internet. The terrorist group has known ties to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq.
In the over 8 minute video, two masked terrorists hold guns to the victim's head and force him to confess to 'collaboration' and 'apostasy'. The victim warns others not to collaborate with the 'apostate' government of Iraq. Such confessions are routine in these Islamic snuff videos and provide legitimacy to the terrorist murders. Under Islamic law apostasy is punishable by the death penalty.
The hostage is then taken outside, in the dark, where he is shot by one of the terrorists with a pistol. I have sent the video to Bareknucklepolitics where portions of it may be seen here.
Here is the SITE report:
Ansar al-Sunnah issued an 8:30 minute video with a statement today, December 1, 2005, announcing the execution of an Iraqi guard for al-Jaderiya jail, Nasser Hadi Ali, who was charged with spying on the mujahideen and arresting imams and worshippers at mosques as part of a commission with the Iraqi Ministry of Interior. The group claims that Ali had formerly aided the mujahideen, transporting their weapons, but he was “brainwashed” by the government.
The video depicts Nasser Had Ali seated blindfolded between two masked men carrying firearms as he “confesses” to the allegations levied against him. He is subsequently shot several times, according to “Allah’s order… to serve as an example for others.”
Images from the video may be found at
SITE. and at
ITB.
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The freedom fighters in the name of Iraqi liberation strike again! Mr Ali is now liberated Pol Pot style!
The left is not stupid! They see these scumbags for what they are - they just have their own personal domestic agenda that over-rides reality! That and .... they are afraid of these guys and gutless to admit it.
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 10:18 AM (Jvmry)
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More terrorist illogic: Arresting imams and worshippers at mosques = unspeakably bad. Blowing up imams and worshippers at mosques = totally okay.
These guys must surely be admired for their legendary bravery, which always emerges as long as their opponents are blindfolded, tied up and unarmed.
Posted by: Graeme at December 02, 2005 10:37 AM (LhfuN)
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You're both right, and in response to hondo particularly, the leftards have always been willing to accept any atrocities as long as they're committed by America's enemies. Liberals are scum and should all be shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 10:40 AM (0yYS2)
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someone wrote in a previous thread that foreiners have the luxury of leaving the warzone while locals suffer. this is a good illustration of why that's true while their conclusion -- that the christian peacemakers are doing something rightious -- is false.
the cpt "hostages" will get to keep their heads though they are infidels. the "hostage takers" will get a randsom. in the meantime the iraqi victims of cpt's freedom fighters recieve no such clemency. rather, they recieve greater brutality from a terrorist movement made stronger by cpt's shilling.
shame on them.
Posted by: jummy at December 02, 2005 12:13 PM (Z81HX)
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Score one for jummy. Good point.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 01:09 PM (0yYS2)
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i should add that if all of this turns out for the worst, my speculations here will be a source of great shame for me.
Posted by: jummy at December 02, 2005 01:50 PM (Z81HX)
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What's kind of creepy is you can hear a cell phone ring in the background. Imagine a terrorist say "Hi honey, I can't talk to you right now. I'm busy interrogating someone before I kill Him. Love you." That's creepy.
Posted by: George Ramos at December 02, 2005 04:01 PM (Zm6ZW)
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What's new? This same shit is getting old. The stupid muslims should think of something new. If they can. Bunch of backward terds.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2005 07:51 PM (OvTKg)
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Agent Smith, in a "Frenchman Moment" says that Greyrooster is afraid of Improbulus Maximus' "goatboys".
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 12:45 AM (Y5zcg)
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Agent Brown says that the motive behind the goatboys' insane bullshit is that they want to further discredit themselves, disobey their honcho Bin Laden and get whacked with .50 cal revenge.
Agent Jones says the goatboys are fucked.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 03, 2005 01:05 AM (Y5zcg)
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