October 17, 2005
NBC: Sunni "Tribal Chief" Better Source Than US Pilot
How propaganda gets from the ground in Iraq to the nightly news in America
NBC's Brian Williams reported tonight that "Iraqi civilians" said that a US airstrike had killed not insurgents, but innocent Iraqis. Williams' report was based on an Associated Press story by Thomas Wagner and a CENTCOM news release. Williams left out a couple of telling details that even Wagner felt obligated to include in the AP story.
Here's the pertinent text from the CENTCOM release:
While conducting a combat air patrol, crewmembers from an F -15 observed 20 men arrive in four vehicles at the crater site of a previously-detonated IED which had killed five U.S. and two Iraqi Soldiers on Oct. 15. The terrorists were in the process of emplacing another IED in the same spot when the F- 15 engaged them with a precision-guided bomb, resulting in the death of terrorists on the ground.
Wagner's AP story was based on the testimony of unnamed witnesses and a "tribal chief". Wagner noted that the area was "a hotbed of Sunni-Arab insurgents". He didn't identify the religious affiliation of the "tribal chief", but it seems likely that few Shiites inhabit the area.
Brian Williams did not mention any of this tonight. He simply left the impression that the American pilot lied about his target. About what you'd expect from Williams, who has indicated that he sees little difference between Iraqi terrorist insurgents and the American Founding Fathers.
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Where's DSM when you need him? I demand hyperventilating, off-topic, and childish commentary!
Posted by: File Closer at October 17, 2005 07:22 PM (xvfRU)
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So who beleives NBC and BRIAN WILLIAMS and his lie a day news? the peacock is lying again
Posted by: sandpiper at October 17, 2005 08:16 PM (bTjmD)
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Remember the busload of "businessmen" that were vaporized crossing from Syria to Iraq? Recall how the terrorist types on the scene characterized them as simple businessmen and how the Mainstream Mastadons simply accepted them at their word.
Well I think it was Time Magazine that later on learned by interviewing a terrorist type the business of those killed on that bus "businessmen" was jihad, and the terrorist types spun it all brilliantly.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 17, 2005 09:44 PM (W/xl/)
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The mindset of these people in the old media is to try to discredit the military. They will always take anyone's word over our military, including the ridiculous, such as Bagdad Bob.
What they are too stupid to realize, though, is that they are discrediting themselves with the American people. It is now at the point that I don't believe one thing the media says.
Look at the ABC headline for the rioting in Toledo over the weekend. It said that hundreds of white supremicists were rioting, which was a complete fabrication, because the blacks were the ones rioting and there were less than a dozen Nazis there anyway. If the media had looked at the live feeds, it was obvious there were no white people rioting.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 18, 2005 10:22 AM (rUyw4)
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Exactlt JJ, Accuracy is a secondary consideration, and not even a consideration if it interferes with the prevailing narrative. story here:
http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2005/10/abcap-big-lie.html
Posted by: traderrob at October 18, 2005 10:49 AM (3al54)
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So who you gonna believe ........ Myself, I think that both stories are suspect.
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Al Qaida in Iraq Executes Iraqi
Al Qaida in Iraq
released a video of an Iraqi who was executed by the group today. Supposedly this man was "working for the Crusaders." The man, identified by papers the group showed, is Mahmud Alwan Hussein. Hussein was in an association of Iraqi contractors according to the papers.
The AFP says this is in direct contrast to the captured letter from Ayman al-Zawahiri to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi made public last week. This is not the case though. Zawahiri defended executions, but said it was the method in which Al Qaida in Iraq has carried out these executions that is offensive and damaging to their effort. Zawahiri even said shooting a hostage is better than beheading them, a practice in which Al Qaida in Iraq has done several times over the years.
Does this then signal that despite the fact Al Qaida in Iraq has declared the letter from Zawahiri as a fake that it is heeding its advice? In the game of point and counterpoint which is the propoganda weapon of Al Qaida, it only makes sense that AQ in Iraq would deny the legitimacy of the letter because it clearly stated AQ as a whole is in trouble. Why though would AQ in Iraq change from beheadings to executions by gun after this letter was revealed but not before if the letter and the urgings by Zawahiri were not accurate?
Infovlad has the video if you so choose to see it. It is the October 18 entry.
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The comments on the Infovlad site are truly scary.
Posted by: Dan Lew at October 17, 2005 06:50 PM (0DbLI)
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Those infovlad slackjaws, need a U.S Tomahawk. Allah be Praised!
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 07:24 PM (CcXvt)
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Hmmm, I don't know, I have to say that its bad if the AQ starts using "more humane" methods of execution. The less extreme they are, the more moderates they can convince to join. There will always be extremists in society, but the less extreme they are compared to the government, the more moderates, or otherwise good people, end up joining them. So I find this very frightening that they are trying, and apparently suceding at moderating themselves somewhat, to appeal to a greater audience. The U.S. needs to take this inyo consideration, and attempt to moderate themselves as well.
Posted by: Ash at October 17, 2005 09:04 PM (v4xco)
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Ash sounds like one of those Infovlad types. What I noticed about them is that several of them were in Britain and Canada. There will come a time when these guys will be rooted out and dealt with, so let them talk all they want to. Loose lips sink ships!
And boy is that moderation! We'll shoot you in the head rather than cut your head off. Now that will be a great recruiting tool for the masses!
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Interview With A Knucklehead
Michelle Malkin (not a knucklehead) gives a nice
recounting of her experience regarding an interview she gave to a Wall Street Journal reporter (the knucklehead) concerning the Hinrichs case.
I read her post (3 times) and just read the article. Amazingly, it was free, so I guess that's something.
But a quick synopsis of the two pieces boils down to pretty much this:
Even though blogs such as this one went out of their way to report on the Hinrichs case in such a way that did not, I repeat did not make any solid conclusions, the MSM is firmly convinced that we're all just a bunch of black helicopter seeing, rumor mongering, attention whores.
Never mind that Rusty's posts in particular on this subject have been geared towards pointing out that there were things that warranted a closer inspection. I don't recall any hard statements here claiming as fact that Hinrichs was a Muslim terrorist. The Jawa Report merely criticized the lack of MSM attention, and pointed out certain things that were miraculously reported, and said that they needed to be looked at more closely.
As far as my opinion? I think Hinrichs committed suicide after learning that Harriet Miers was nominated over him to replace O'Connor.
Hey, it's just as good as any other theory.
;-)
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Good point vinnie. Blogs mean we get answers to the questions we want answered not answers to the questions the MSM pre selects for us. I mean if we are so irrelevant why does it seem that if stuff shows on the blogs first it's not long before MSM picks it up. I've noted several times that little things here or there end up all over about two hours after the blogs pick it up. We lead they follow the upward pressure of the blogs on the media is undenyable.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 04:14 PM (D3+20)
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Don't feel bad. I had a Wall Street Journal reporter ask me for a phone interview, and then never called. And never wrote the planned article, either, it seems. Oh well.
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 17, 2005 04:28 PM (vhWf1)
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Look, comments I made on my own blog theorizing that there may be a terror connection due to other events in Oklahoma in the past that need to be investigated got picked up by Mark Tapscott's page - namely that Oklahoma seems to come up early and often in terror plots against the US (9/11 hijackers spent time learning to fly in OK and Moussaoui spent time there as well at the mosque that Hinrichs
may have attended.
I suggested that this needs to be investigated more thoroughly by the media, who seemed perfectly content to let this story slide.
Considering that we're talking about a guy who blew himself up on gameday outside a football stadium crammed with 84,000 fans, you'd think that someone in the media would want to look at this story in a critical fashion.
We now know the answer - not very. They might not like what they find.
Posted by: lawhawk at October 17, 2005 07:28 PM (R8MMe)
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Just wait some idiot judge is going to rule that laws against child pornography are unconstitutional im tired of these idiot judges and their irresponible rulings
Posted by: sandpiper at October 17, 2005 08:19 PM (bTjmD)
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Hold on a second Vinnie. Schippers did go after Clinton.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 17, 2005 08:39 PM (VP+X3)
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That's nice, Filthy, and when I write a post about Schippers going after Clinton, I'll make sure to let greg post an on topic comment about it.
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RINO Sightings XI
RINO sightings XI is up at
politechnical.
Ah, the three things that are true about Raging RINOs is that weÂ’re outspoken, non-conformist, extremely intelligent, and incredibly good-looking. Four thingsÂ…
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Air Strikes
Up to 70 terrorist supporters and insurgents were killed today by airstrikes prompting immediate whining about the targeting of civilians.
CNN
"[They] were not terrorists -- they were only a bunch of civilians whose curiosity prompted them to gather around a destroyed Humvee," said Dr. Dhiya Fahdawi, who treated people at a hospital in Ramadi. In the Abu Faraj region, north of Ramadi, about 50 insurgents were killed in operations surrounding a suspected insurgent safe house, the military said
OK so you will forgive me if I don't buy that. If you are dancing on top of our dead boys like you were last month I find it hard to scrape up much sympathy for you. In fact all I can think of right now is Hell Yeah!!!! Last month I saw you on FOXNEWS dancing and grinning, not that FOX feels like posting that video to the net but they had a momentary lapse of judgement and I saw you on WTVW.
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Seventy? That's too bad. Shoulda been more.
And I hope they all died in immense pain.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 12:26 PM (0yYS2)
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Questionable sources there Mr ghost. source one references source two which say's nothing about this. also should we not try to infiltrate the insurgency is it not a basic tactic. Do they not try and do the same to us? Too far out there for me.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 12:50 PM (D3+20)
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>>>"I assure you that both events occurred as described."
menenze's ghost,
lol! well if you say so, and even "assure" me of this, then it just has to be true.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 17, 2005 01:13 PM (8e/V4)
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Bt you said US. Also so what are the3y supposed to do sneak in with the Union Jack draped around their heads?
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 01:14 PM (D3+20)
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MG,
War is nasty business, full of deception and butchery. Other than that, do you have a point?
Posted by: File Closer at October 17, 2005 01:16 PM (xvfRU)
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ghost,
your sources are garbage. The two Brit soldiers were special forces hunting car bombers. The reason they resisted arrest is because the Basra police are considered thoroughly infiltrated by the terrorists.
"Insurgents have infiltrated Iraq's security services, National Security Adviser Muwafaq al-Rubaie has admitted."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4266304.stm
That's why the Brits broke them out of prison-- because it was feared the two soldiers would end up in the hands of the insurgents.
"The British Army said the troops had been handed over by police to a Shia militia group. The men were freed after British troops in armoured vehicles stormed a Basra prison and then a house to which the captives had been taken."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4266304.stm
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 17, 2005 01:25 PM (8e/V4)
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No that is his point. He has an idea that we manufacture events. That is purposely kill civilians and then blame it on the ememy. Strange how this all worked out but he is still going on about it. Conspiracy is fed by doubt and he loves em. Once in while he comes up with good stuff. Some t times some real funny stuff. It's just how he is. He has talent for pissing people off but also a pretty good sense of humor too. I assure you he hates true terrorist just as much as you do he just thinks our government is more evil than they are where I just think governments are beasts that need a big bridle. Evil yes but also useful at times. After the war I don't care if you choke the fed Gov't down to the size of The Food Shoppe as long as you can build roads and defend the country.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 01:25 PM (D3+20)
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Yeah their not terrorist what a load of bull kaka from some whinning doctor why dont he just stick it up his stethiscope
Posted by: sandpiper at October 17, 2005 01:27 PM (stdEd)
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Moonbats come up with some good stuff nowadays.
I see 70 subhuman beasties got their reward! Excellent News! I am sure Satan is busy finding them bunks of red hot pitch-
Ghost boy sounds like a Galloway Spiv.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 17, 2005 01:53 PM (5ceWd)
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Innocent? Oops, my bad. (snorf!)
Posted by: dick at October 17, 2005 01:59 PM (XlQVK)
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I thought MG was busted.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 17, 2005 02:12 PM (1j9aH)
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Me too, Robert. Greg can't stand not to come in here trolling around. I know Howie likes to argue with Greg, but I wish Rusty would ban him forever. He is just too immature to participate in a rational conversation.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 02:39 PM (rUyw4)
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"a bunch of civilians whose curiosity prompted them to gather around a destroyed Humvee"
Yeah right - like they haven't seen one of those before.
"Curiosity" killed the cat (pu$$ies). I guess.
Posted by: JustPlainJoe at October 17, 2005 02:39 PM (Xj6+u)
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Actually I kind of take it as an I support yer thread no matter what he says. It's not the content I'm used to it just that he stopped by is nice. If you ignore him or just carry on normally like it's no big deal you get one comment then he's off to no telling where to say no telling what. Actually JJ you kind of trolled him back last week. He got so into the argument that he really went wild and got banned. He loved it. Gotta love the nuts. The same quality that makes me all enjoy him is the same that allows me to appreciate IM and You and everyone else. I'm still giggling about that farrakkan(BGUH). That was great. Plus I used the term hellibacon yesterday and he just stopped by to remind me who coined that one.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 02:52 PM (D3+20)
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Well, Howie, since I must be honest, I do see your point. And quite frankly, I have come to terms with Osama and have found him to be quite a nice fellow after we discovered we both grew up on farms, his a produce farm and mine a ranch.
But Osama has a level of maturity and discourse that Greg does not have. Greg is more of a classic troll in that he constantly comments off topic, etc.
But, hey, this is not my blog, and you and Rusty do what you think is best. I will not stop coming here because of Greg, but to be sure he irritates me.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 03:18 PM (rUyw4)
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Greg, four points:
1. We know it's you.
2. You're an idiot.
3. Nobody on this blog is ever going to take seriously any of your cut-n-paste tinfoil moonbat conspiracy crap.
4. You need to find yourself a woman who will go out with you, take her for beer and steaks, and beg her to have sex with you. Quickly.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 03:29 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 03:39 PM (rUyw4)
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IM,
1.True
2.Truer
3.Evident if you follow any of his links.
4.Even if he has to pay for it!!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 03:44 PM (rUyw4)
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Yes but he is always willing to be the
most extreme next to him we all sound normal. Contrast man.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 03:52 PM (D3+20)
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Oh Rusty is fed up. I'm a big wus. If Rusty wants him banned and he slips in a new IP on him. He will add it. Rusty adds more time each time First it was about a week or so then a month. Lately he says forever so Mr. Ghost is aware of that. Next I think Rusty will go eternity plus 20 years.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 04:02 PM (D3+20)
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Greg, is that you??? lmao! good to see ya buddy!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 17, 2005 04:52 PM (8e/V4)
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Greg, were all plenty pissed off at tha Mayor and Gov.
Also, Those roving bands of criminal thugs have me upset as well.
That NO doctor should be tried for murder.
Posted by: Brad at October 17, 2005 06:37 PM (3OPZt)
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Don't respond to greg anymore, you may end up looking like your talking to, well, a ghost.
He's welcome to come back all he wants, but I'll be deleting his comments all I want, no matter whose post they're on.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 17, 2005 07:12 PM (Kr6/f)
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Greg, my wife has a saying: “There is a lid for every tea pot”. I hope you find your soul mate out there somewhere. She is going to have her hands full. When you find her, be sure to take a day off politics and just go see a ball game or a movie. She’s going to need a break from the routine.
At least admit that you donÂ’t color outside your lines much either. YouÂ’re pretty predictable.
Posted by: Brad at October 17, 2005 08:13 PM (6mUkl)
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A British tabloid?, Couldn't you find a more credible source greg, like maybe indymedia.org or something like most kooks?
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 08:17 PM (CcXvt)
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After thinking about the link for you know a bit and considering the thread it was posted on. I think the site deserves a second glance. It appears western yet search engines were not hitting very hard on it. It has a registered user only area. It still has that story up that is several months old. Seems to be infested with conspiracy theory of all kinds. Who know what sort of stuff lies down deep there. Or it could be just what it appears or a dead end. I've seen seveal of these western looking but strange sites. Usually they are pacific rim areas you know indonesia and so forth. Just a thought. hmmm.... same methods different set of nuts or possible front??? am I paranoid you bet but still living. I've not really time to fart with it anyway.
Posted by: Howie at October 17, 2005 08:30 PM (D3+20)
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Greg lives in Austin, maybe he should go mack on Blessed Mother Sheehan, Our Lady of the Ditch, next time she's in Crawford, they'd make a perfect couple, although I believe that guy, Jeff the Moonbat Marine, might already be shucking that corn. But then, maybe greg likes "outies" instead of "innies".
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 08:36 PM (0yYS2)
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I must say, Greg does make a good point this once.
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Filthy, the guy's been banned by Rusty, more than once. Rusty's made it abundantly clear that he's not wanted.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 17, 2005 09:06 PM (Kr6/f)
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Fine. But if Greg is right about Iraq being involved with the Oklahoma City bombing, then that might be another justification for the present war.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 17, 2005 09:54 PM (VP+X3)
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If you want to look into it yourself,
start here
And you're right, it would be, but, as of now, nobody knows for sure.
And, since it's rude to take this so far off topic, I'll wrap it up.
Sorry Howie.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 17, 2005 10:39 PM (Kr6/f)
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Hold on there a minute! I was gone all day yesterday. I was not feeling well
(hungover). Was Greg/MG back? And all his comments deleted or something? WAH! I missed it.
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Not at all Vinnie go right ahead.
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First Question Concerning Enantiomorphism, With Profound Consequences for Shelby Foote's Theories About Union Constraints During the American Civil War:
And also for contemporary American geopolitical policy in the so-called "War on Terror."
So, just how do you tie one hand behind your back? I mean, as opposed to tying both of them?
Discuss...
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Any enantiomorphic superpositions of historical analyses are fundamentally disadvantaged by the chiral nature of time.
Posted by: a4g at October 17, 2005 10:49 AM (2GSc/)
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when one hand ws tied behind the back it was typically fixed to the belt holding up ones pants
Posted by: john Ryan at October 17, 2005 11:41 AM (ads7K)
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What the hell does "Enantiomorphism" mean? Damn, now I have to go look it up....
You and your big words.
Posted by: WunderKraut at October 17, 2005 02:22 PM (e2V/e)
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Yeah I heard that the discusion in Iraq is aobut our civil war and parallels. I wish they would lookin into how what it really cost both north and south in terms of lives and money and suffering. If they look past the brave accounts of hero's to the real cost of that ware they will know why spilling blood here results in immediate reaction from the US. Too much of our blood soaks this nation. To let anyone else ever do that again is unacceptable. So Mr. Iraq think about that. Be smart before you actually get what you are talking about. We know all too well.
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Any enantiomorphic superpositions of historical analyses are fundamentally disadvantaged by the chiral nature of time."
I like pie.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 03:30 PM (0yYS2)
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John:
when one hand ws tied behind the back it was typically fixed to the belt holding up ones pants
Thanks. I'm beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel...
Gabby Hayes in seminal Roy Rogers movie, as he eats the last button attached to his suspenders at the very end of the film: "Mmmmm...." [Camera fades centering on Gabby with his pants around his ankles, mercifully in full 1950s-style long underwear.
Seriously. It happened.
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Major Al-Qaeda Web Site Silenced
The main website for Al-Qaeda in Iraq is no more. Seems that the US is getting sharper about using the internet to observe and disrupt these sites. First we just watch, then we have the info we take em down. The producer of the site one Abu Dijana was also captured. I suspect we now have a wealth of info on the insurgency from this raid.
MSNBC:
All of which raises the interesting and secretive prospect that American security experts are monitoring and hacking these Web sites to gather up both information and members of the insurgency and their supporters. That might explain why one of the top propaganda operatives of "al-Qaida in Iraq" was caught by the Americans and why his Web site was so quiet during the referendum.
The Jawa Report has been both calling for the removal of these web sites as well as using the content of them to expose the true nature of our enemy. The web is a critcal tool for the terrorists. For us good news just doesn't get much better.
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I especially enjoyed the additional "angle":
Depending on a Web surfer's point of view, these Web sites could be called the
tools of freedom fighters or terrorists. But, it is safe to say that most Iraqis who log on to the publicly available sites support the insurgency. And some are likely active in the fight.
Ashraf al-Taie, a translator in the NBC News Baghdad Bureau, regularly monitors insurgent Web sites.
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 10:12 AM (CcXvt)
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I wonder if we can set up "meetings" before we take down the web sites.
Posted by: ericj at October 17, 2005 11:07 AM (hrQvk)
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let's just keep hoping that they keep using them. As far as being a "critical tool" of the insurgency. I am sorta thinking that may not altogether be true. If Osama is on line now perhaps he would care to comment ? ummmm Any estimates of what percent of the insurgecy is on line ? Ooooops I know I know the math part isn't as welcome as cheerleading but still: What percent of Iraq has access to the internet ? An alternative to firepower might be providing them with FREE PORN (why wait for the 70 virgins? who wants virgins anyway ?) and access to reliable and honest GAMBLING SITES. Who will be willing to go on a suicide misssion when they have a possible winning LOTTO TIcket for 10 million dollars !!
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John and his math again. What's your deal john, did you get hit in the head with a math book or something?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 12:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Will they now turn to hollywood to get what they want will they get MICHEAL MOORE or OLIVER STONE as well as the usial amount of left-wing hollywood celberties like GEORGE CLOONEY or MARTIN SHEEN?
Posted by: sandpiper at October 17, 2005 01:30 PM (stdEd)
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Exactly what is your point, John? Are you suggesting we allow the sites to stay up even if we have the ability to take them down?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 02:53 PM (rUyw4)
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John Ryan, are you a movie star? I think I saw you in a movie called "sex for untrainables" ?
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 07:27 PM (CcXvt)
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The bullshiters in DC need to "Get out the way!"
The CIA and FBI need more attention and money. Our intelligence agencies had suffered greatly under the Bush Sr. and Clinton era. We need to get them back to where they were back when Reagan was the man.
We should have never stopped the strong forward progress we had in Afghanistan. That's where we need to concentrate our war on Terrorism.
Posted by: Buckwheat at November 11, 2005 10:47 AM (Edrly)
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Thousand Monkeys on a Thousand Typewriters
Where's Rusty? Since there is no way I'm going to meet my editor's deadline I have employed a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters to help me finish it. Here is what they have produced so-far:

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times? This is going to take longer than I expected. I'll be gone for the next few weeks.
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"Damn you, stupid monkeys!"
Posted by: Venom at October 17, 2005 11:53 AM (dbxVM)
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At least they understand the proper use of Roman numerals. That'll come in handy about ten to twenty times in the book, won't it?
Posted by: tee bee at October 17, 2005 02:15 PM (q1JHF)
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Yeah, that's bad monkey. You should go spank it.
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New Orleans Thug Becomes Katrina Hero
The
Times-Picayune devoted Sunday's front page to the story of 20-year-old Jabar Gibson who was kicked out of high school and has been committing felonies ever since. In his own words, Gibson says, "I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, a lot of times." A prudent observer would have predicted that his future had been pretty well set. But Jabar Gibson's life changed dramatically because of Hurricane Katrina.
Gibson stole a school bus, loaded it with 60 of New Orleans' poorest residents, the youngest a week-old infant and the oldest 59, and drove to Houston. Gibson was the driver of what has become known as "the renegade bus" that was the first to arrive in Houston with Hurricane Katrina evacuees.
From NOLA.com:
Gibson acknowledges he stole the bus, although in what has become Katrina lingo, he "commandeered" it to rescue himself and his neighbors. While the storm's floodwaters ultimately did not advance into Algiers, there was no way of knowing that in the chaotic Tuesday morning after the storm. Water was filling up the east bank, Mayor Ray Nagin was on the radio that afternoon predicting several feet on St. Charles Avenue, and panicked residents crossed the bridge to the West Bank, telling tales of impending doom.
"The police was leaving people behind. I had to pick up people on the bus. The police didn't want to do nothing. We stepped up and did what we had to do," said Gibson, who declined to say more because he since has agreed to a movie deal that prohibits interviews.
So, one day Gibson is a street criminal with a regularly revised rap sheet and, the next day, he's under contract in the movie business.
I foresee also probably a book deal, a television movie, and appearances on daytime and late-night talk shows. Who knows? Gibson may well end up being a motivational speaker.
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Well, this is America, after all, where even the dreams of young felons come true.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 08:03 AM (rUyw4)
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This just goes to show something I've known for a long time; people don't have to be intrinsically bad to commit crimes. Much criminal behavior is simply the result of a large number of people in society who don't fit into the mainstream and are regularly punished by society for it. I don't know the man's history, but from the sound of it, he's not a sociopath, and I'm guessing that his felony convictions are probably mostly drug related or other types of non-violent offenses.
We have created a society which is so rigidly structured and so highly intolerant of aberrant behavior that we have criminalized many things which do not really fit the classical definition of a crime. A crime, simply defined, is any deliberate act that directly causes harm or loss to another person, or to society at large. Notice the use of "deliberate", and "direct". But today, there are so many laws that every person alive in America, (and in many other countries), commits a crime every day whether they know it or not.
Ever smoke pot? Ever drive home from the bar after a couple or three beers? Ever drive without your seatbelt? Ever look at porn on the internet? Et cetera ad infinitum. We are all criminals, though not because we as members of society spend our days in rapine, pillage, arson, and murder, but because someone doesn't like something we're doing, though it harms none and damages nothing.
Here is some wisdom from the Tao of Lao Tzu:
Do not control the people with laws,
Nor violence, nor espionage,
But conquer them with inaction.
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The more morals and taboos there are,
The more cruelty afflicts people;
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The more laws and taxes there are,
The more theft corrupts people.
Yet take no action, and the people nurture each other;
Make no laws, and the people deal fairly with each other;
Own no interest, and the people cooperate with each other;
Express no desire, and the people harmonize with each other.
What was true two and a half millenia ago is true today, and one of the worst problems facing our society is that we have criminalized entire segments of our population just because we don't like what they do and how they live. That, fellow citizens, is why I am a libertarian.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 09:55 AM (0yYS2)
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IM I am SHCOCKED TYPELESS !!
Posted by: john Ryan at October 17, 2005 11:27 AM (ads7K)
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Maximus: Do you even know what crimes the guy committed?
That said, his former bad acts do not erase his current good act. Also, it is not uncommon that among the criminal class are some folks with daring, intelligence, and initiative, just like any other group.
Posted by: slickdpdx at October 17, 2005 11:29 AM (MjGRu)
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No, I don't know his record, but like I said, he clearly isn't a sociopath, because sociopaths don't commit selfless acts like he did. And yes, many criminals are daring, intelligent, and possess initiative, but if he were truly of the "criminal class", meaning a habitual criminal, wouldn't he have filled the bus with looted goods rather than people in need of help?
Let me bore you with an anecdote. When I was very small I became deathly ill, and my dad's old '55 Chevy truck wouldn't start because of the freezing weather, and if it did, it wouldn't make it down the frozen mountain roads to take me to the hospital. He called all of the people in our community who had four wheel drive vehicles, starting with the people who went to our church.
It was the middle of the night and freezing cold, and all these good Christians couldn't be bothered with saving the life of a child, so my dad called the last man he could think of, who lived pretty far away. This man was a moonshiner and general scoundrel of the lowest type, but when my dad called him, he said he'd be right out. He took us to the hospital and stayed until I was released the next day, and refused to even accept gas money.
Just because someone is unlawful doesn't make them a bad person, it just makes them a social outcast. Hypocrisy is the engine that drives our society, and until we learn that we can't criminalize everything that we don't like, we will keep missing opportunies to let people be truly good.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 12:42 PM (0yYS2)
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Well, IM, if I had been your daddy, I would have left whatever so-called church that was, and changed to the real church jesusland joe attended. Because people in jj's church helped his family many times, and anybody else who showed up with a need, whether a member of that church or not. I feel bad about your family's experience, and have said many times that actions always speak louder than words, and that especially goes for Christians, who are in a unique position to make a good or bad impression.
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October 16, 2005
Umpires Strike Back.
LetÂ’s see here aside from the evil
McChimpy Hellibacon conspiracy with the JOOS to buy the umpires and catapult Houston to the Word Series.
Yes itÂ’s them. Or it could be like
my team sucks or the score at the
end of the game or some shit like that. The umpires sucked equally hard for both teamsÂ… Â…or did they?
La Russa yer outta here!!!!!! Hey thatÂ’s a good idea.
What else is going on hmmm...???
TerroristÂ’s have recruited about 70 from UK in the last year via online.
Jihad Watch & The Times of London.
Watch for the Transcript of the FNS DICK Durbin interview that is if they ever get round to posting it. DICK will explain his partyÂ’s plan to win the war which is.......AHHHHH.err... to shoot holes in someone elseÂ’s plan. Sounds like a winner there DICK. While you were thinking that up guess we have been doing? Also if they ever post it see why Condi Rice is the smartest person on DC.
Paraphrased “No I would never want to run for President”.
I canÂ’t freakin quote it till you post it if you have it must be in tiny little print Chris you puffed toad you. Actually if you think about it Durbin looks more like a toad. It was like two puffed toads in a debate each puffing a little bigger. Wallace won.
Updated: OK transcript up. And here too.
And now back to Baseball....
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Posted by: jesusland joe at October 16, 2005 09:48 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Brad at October 16, 2005 10:10 PM (6mUkl)
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Sorry, Brad, but you could move to Texas. We'd love to have you down here, and I bet your son could play football. Cross country isn't quite as big, you know, with the girls as high school football. That's probably the main reason my son plays. He ain't going pro, that's for sure.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 08:07 AM (rUyw4)
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Joe, my son is not going pro either. For now, I am holding on to the dream of him getting a Catholic high school Baseball or cross-country scholarship. I stay awake at night dreaming of spending that $850 per month tuition on myself, greedy bastard that I am.
We are rooting for the Astros in my house. My son likes them for the killer bees and that crazy hump in centerfield of Minute Maid Park.
Posted by: Brad at October 17, 2005 09:36 AM (6mUkl)
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Baseball blows monkey choade. If it were any slower it'd be agriculture. And what's up with baseball players' butts? They all have big butts. If I want to see a mind-numbing slow ballgame and big butts, I'll watch girls' fast pitch softball, which also has considerably less scratching and spitting.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 03:35 PM (0yYS2)
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IM,
My #2 son calls baseball organized boredom, and he plays football and basketball, so you and he would get along great. My #1 son played football and baseball in high school, so I had to maintain an interest in baseball. Besides, even if baseball is boring on tv, it's great fun going to the actual games. Can't tell you why, but it's fun.
We have an out of town junior varsity football game tonight, so I won't be commenting until tomorrow. Greg, don't dis me while I'm away.
Brad,
That's not greed. You're sure to need a new rifle or shotgun, the 4-wheeler needs updating, the golf clubs are obsolete, and there are lots more very important things you can think of, I'm sure.
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October 15, 2005
Toledo Who?
Iraq the Model has a wrapup of today's Iraqi Constitutional referendum.
Hit their sidebar links for more Iraqi reaction.
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Nazi Rally Turns Violent
(Toledo, Ohio) Before the start of a
planned neo-Nazi rally in north Toledo, racial tension caused
rioting to break out with baseball-sized rocks being thrown at police and vehicles being vandalized. According to Police Chief Mike Navarre, six people have been arrested. The march by the white supremacist group was canceled and over 100 police officers flooded the neighborhoods.
Live coverage on FoxNews shows some houses being looted with one building on fire. The live video from WJBK-TV shows the streets now crowded with police officers. The situation has calmed and the fire department has arrived to extinguish the fire in what is thought to be a tavern.
Police Chief Navarre stated that he believes that all the Nazis have now left the city.
So, in summary, the white supremacists organize a march to ostensibly protest black criminal gangs and the black community responds by rioting, looting, and setting at least one building on fire -- in their own neighborhood. The logic escapes me.
[Update 2030 EDT, 10/15/05]
Toledo Mayor Jack Ford declared a state of emergency and instituted a citywide curfew starting at 8PM tonight, tomorrow, and possibly Monday.
From ToledoBlade.com:
Mr. Ford said those protesting were mainly male gang members in their 20s. He said the protests were not triggered by race relations but by gang members with grievances.
"We went to talk to them. Most of them were gang members (picture) in full colors," the mayor said. "Their anger was based on some long-standing things but also that we had allowed the [Nazi] walk to occur in the first place."
Police Chief Navarre said several dozen people were arrested and a few officers and firefighters were injured, none serious. In total, a mob of 500 were involved in the rioting and looting. Although the streets quieted down by late afternoon, there is concern that violence may erupt in the darkness.
Interestingly, local media coverage of the rioting was prevented by the mobs attacking and disabling the mobile news vehicles first. Scheduled celebrations for Start High School Homecoming and Central Catholic High School Homecoming were canceled.
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The black thugs who took part in this criminal behavior just used a legal(if disgusting) march as an excuse to go on a rampage. It's a good thing for them that they didn't try this shit here in my neighborhood. We are armed and can legally shoot someone who invades or attempts to invade our premises.
I have no idea about Ohio, but here in Texas this crap wouldn't fly.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 03:08 PM (rUyw4)
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Jesusland Joe:
Armed societies are very polite societies, and that just wouldn't happen in Texas.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 15, 2005 03:18 PM (8e/V4)
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Yeah, it's funny how blacks resort to criminal behavior to show how they're not all criminals and stuff. Ever notice how things like this generally don't happen in the South?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 05:18 PM (0yYS2)
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What do you expect from Nazis, even if they call themselves "neo" Nazis? Actually they are white trash. Even if its in the North.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 15, 2005 05:39 PM (85Vr/)
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Mayor Nagin says you're a
RACIST, Sir!
How dare you blame rioting, and looting on black people -- poor, black people. get my people to the SUPERDOME!
Posted by: dave at October 15, 2005 05:53 PM (CcXvt)
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Uh, Storm, it was the blacks, not the nazis, who rioted. And WTF do you mean by "even if it's in the North"? I've seen more trashy people in the North than in the South. You Northern motherfuckes can kiss my ass.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 06:58 PM (0yYS2)
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The thugs who instigate such acts are no better then the nazi brownshirts they should be in jail and quit listening to some nambdy pambdys blabbering the nonsense if they dont punish such persons they will continue to do it
Posted by: sandpiper at October 15, 2005 07:13 PM (U/q87)
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Max. I live in the South. I should have written, "what do expect when Nazis meet?"
I do love your use of the English language, though.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 15, 2005 07:28 PM (85Vr/)
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Damn, I dropped an r. I hate it when I make typos.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 09:05 PM (0yYS2)
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What I don't understand is why everyone is so hung up on the race issue? If all sides could stop and really think for a second, they'd see that they have something in common. They're both poor and have little to no education. Silly rabbit, tricks are for the rich. ItÂ’s not about black or white, itÂ’s about rich and poor. ItÂ’s about how the middle class is being destroyed through outsourcing and illegal immigration. And itÂ’s not about the illegal immigrants coming to AmeriKa but the rich people who employ them. They wouldnÂ’t come if they couldnÂ’t work? WhoÂ’s employing them? But wait thereÂ’s more.....If you kicked the millions out, whoÂ’d work the fields? WhoÂ’d build all the houses? WhoÂ’d wash all the dishes at your favorite restaurant? Well letÂ’s make them legal....oh but then youÂ’d have to pay them at least minimum wage ($6 - you could buy two gallons of gas and a dvd player at Wal-Mart with that). We canÂ’t pay people $6 dollars an hour. ThatÂ’s way too much. Ignore now, pay later.
How many millions of dollars does Jessica Simpson need? How many thousand dollar carriers does she need for her dog? Why are people paying money for Britney Spears albums? It’s not like you can look at her while you listen to her cd. How much should Roger Clemens or Tiger Woods get for playing sports. How many houses do they need? How many mansions in Beverly Hills or the suburbs of D.C. go practically unfilled every night while hurricane survivors sleep on cots in shelters. How much does Wal-Mart need to make for it’s stakeholders at the expense of small business owners (aka middle class)? Sure we get a great deal on stuff we really don’t need, but at the cost of some kid in china slaving away at your $2 dvd player for .0000002 cents an hour. Why do we let politicians spend our tax money on projects that we know we don’t need (we know the money goes in to somebody’s pocket for payback)? Why, when this is repeated on cable news do we just ignore it and say “that’s the government for ya, chuckle chuckle chuckle? How is it that we can fly into space, genetically modify the foods we eat, build super computers, yet we can’t make a solar powered car? Ignore now, pay later.
Our society lives with the credit card mentality. Buy now, pay later = ignore societies problems now, pay for them later. Well here we are Amerika......and the creditor is at the door. Hey I have a great reality show idea. Why donÂ’t we film our collapse and show it on TV right after Survivor. We could call it Opps.
Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, I just want to say that they (the neo nazis and the gangs) have free will and they‘ve made their choices. We are all blessed with the ability to choose our responses (responsibility). That’s the great thing about life...choice. We just need to make it easier for them to make better choices. We all need to make better choices and help each other. God, I sound like a fracin hippie.
Wake up....pass it on!!!
Posted by: Twelve at October 15, 2005 10:51 PM (JmVNZ)
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ITS ALL ABOUT THE CLASS WARFARE! not.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 11:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Where the heck is greyrooster? I want to hear his take on this business in Toledo. Do you think he has an opinion?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 11:18 PM (rUyw4)
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twelve: Love your view......I see it your more each day. I was just telling my mother how vulgar the extreme wealthy are. How much does anyone person need to live a decent life until they die.....and then still be able to help others with finding their dreams. I have not gone to a movie since before 2001 and have turned off cable for the third time in my families life. I have totally withdrawn from the propaganda television that keeps the average American in materialistic hell.
Posted by: renee at October 16, 2005 12:21 AM (Y1HQm)
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The Neo-Nazis were from West Virginia. They came to Toledo to supposedly help the whites "take back the streets" from the black gangs that had taken over.
According to a reporter on the scene, the Nazis were gone by the time the gangs went destruction and looting crazy and they also reported that the "protesters" were throwing rocks at the police not the Nazis.
The whole thing was insane.
Posted by: Anna at October 16, 2005 12:24 AM (25+R5)
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No mre skinheads no more skinheads
Posted by: sandpiper at October 16, 2005 09:50 AM (QagY6)
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The Nazis went there specifically to incite a riot. It was a planned, deliberate provocation, and the Nazis consider it a great success. Just check out some of the posts on Bill White's Overthrow.com and the National Socialist Movement's internet radio podcast at http://www.nsm88radio.com/. They're not even trying to hide how happy they are.
Posted by: anonymous at October 16, 2005 05:59 PM (Lux9y)
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In other words, anonymous, the blacks fell right into the Nazi's hands and did just what the Nazis wanted them to do. And made the Nazis happy. Why wouldn't the blacks just restrain themselves this ONE time and make the Nazis unsuccessful? What is so difficult about that? Since you should know the Nazis have the right to march, why not just go do something else? Watch TV, play on your playstation, take a kid to the park, go play basketball, do anything but loot, burn, and destroy. I tell you, from where I sat watching the spectacle, the Nazis came off looking better than the blacks. And that's a real shame.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 16, 2005 09:45 PM (rUyw4)
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You're all missing the point that it isn't about what the nazis did, which was basically nothing, but about what the blacks did, which was what blacks always do when presented with the excuse and opportunity, and unimpeded by external restraint. Did the nazis riot? No. Did they hurt anyone? No. They did nothing illegal, and were entirely within their rights to have a march.
This hypocritical double standard of damning one group and excusing another is pure BS. The simple fact is that it could have just as easily been an NBA championship win or a St. Swithun's Day parade, it makes no difference, the blacks would have rioted anyway.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 16, 2005 09:49 PM (0yYS2)
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No, they didn't fall into those nazis hands anymore than the blacks in Orleans fell into katrinas hands. This was about criminality and the ARA is a group that loves to incite violence whenever and whereever they can using the excuse they're anti-racist. They made it habit to attack anyone who happens to be cleaner than they are those smelly drug using retards. A friend of mine found out about the ARA the hard way in York, PA a few years ago when he bumbled into a riot zone caused by those animals. Appearently a nazi group had a meeting there and those animals pelted whites in trucks. Just so happens my friend was a painter going for supplies when the crap hit the fan. His windshield had been smashed by the ARAs rent a mob mentality. Needless to say, since these are just borderline deralicts who have nothing of value suing them wouldn't do anything after all who wants shit encrusted underwear and ripped jeans which is about the only thing they have of value. It wasn't the Neo-nazis i'm affraid but the long proud tradition of the ARA to use any excuse to incite violence and anarchy under the geise of anti-racism. I don't buy it that the nazis did this we're told repeadly these people can't lead ants to a picnic but the ARA does have funding from NGOs to rent mobs of bums to whip up insurrections.
Posted by: Andre at October 16, 2005 11:40 PM (bQ3vG)
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 08:11 AM (rUyw4)
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According to google, Anti Racism Action:
www.antiracistaction.us
sounds like what Andre was talking about?
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 09:03 AM (CcXvt)
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Twelve asked the questions that every single person would have a different answer for. I would ask twelve - You tell me how much is enough. You tell me at what point one should be cut off from acquiring "more stuff" or "more wealth". You can't do that. Not in a free market society.
Posted by: Oyster at October 17, 2005 12:33 PM (fl6E1)
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Yeah twelve, which government agency do you think should set the rules about wealth and acquistion, and be responsible for policing such matter? Do you think we should have the cops go around confiscating wealth from those who "have too much"? Or maybe we should just kill everyone who lives above the poverty level and give their stuff to everyone else. Of course then, everyone would be above the poverty level, and we'd have to kill them too. You goddamn liberal idiots are so stupid you all need taken out and shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 12:45 PM (0yYS2)
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Anti Racist Action, they have been known to cause violence whereever they go. In Canada they caused 50,000$ to a house in the early 90s, and throughout the 2000s they caused mayhem and destruction in york PA and a in Illinose. They're a nusence group in connecticut these thugs where called by a local police lieutenent as a group "with a clear agenda to cause bodily harm." They're bad news all around and whereever they go they start problems if they can slap you with the label nazi. They even do this crap to republican groups and commit acts of violence against speakers who aren't leftists like themselves. Don't believe that those socalled anti-racism groups went there to protest they went to Ohio with the clear intention to start violence and they DID!!!! LOOK AT IT!!!
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trackinghillary.com: A Year Later and No Takers
Almost a year ago I bought trackinghillary.com so that someone might be able to use it to mount up an electronic paper trail about Senator Hillary Clinton during her run-up to the 2008 Presidential election.
The offer I made was that someone or some team can get a site that actively tracks Hillary Clinton hosted for free (on this server) and the gets the domain name for free. That's right, free; no strings attached just track Hillary Clinton's speeches, actions, and voting records as best you can and it's all yours.
Last night I received the 90-day renewal notice for trackinghillary.com. My question to you is is there a market for a site like I envisioned or is Blogs Against Hillary and company good enough to get the job done? In other words, should I hang on to trackinghillary.com or donate it to someone else?
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If only you owned "tracking Angelina Jolie," Rusty would pay big bucks for that.
Better yet, get "tracking Scott Baio" and watch Filthy open up his wallet.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 15, 2005 01:05 PM (Kr6/f)
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"I bought trackinghillary.com so that someone might be able to use it to mount up ..."
If that is how you're marketing it, well then, I think you have your answer.
Posted by: Gordon at October 16, 2005 08:24 AM (dEFhD)
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At this point this is probably a dead thread - but thought you'd be interested in noting that DRUDGE is running with this story today . . .
http://news.bostonherald.com/politics/view.bg?articleid=107868
Website Dedicated To 'All Things Hillary'...
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October 14, 2005
Debunking the WSJ/CBS Debunking of the Oklahoma Bombing

Was Joel Henry Hinrichs III a terrorist? Until the investigation is complete, we cannot know that for a fact. So, how can
The Wall Street Journal know that he was not?
Yesterday the WSJ did an incredibly pathetic job of debunking the Joel Henry Hinrichs suicide-bombing story yesterday. Ryan Chittum and Joe Hagan's argument that Hinrichs was not a failed terrorist--whether acting alone or as part of a larger conspiracy--is a pathetic resort to authority. No new facts are cited to dispute reasonable questions that Hinrichs was a terrorist--and they are just that, questions.
They simply cite the University of Oklahoma President David Boren's assurances that it was not terrorism--statements he began to make before the investigation had even begun--the protests of Hinrichs' father that his son was not a Muslim, and a single FBI statement in an ongoing investigation.
When an act of war is committed--which a suicide bombing is--in a time of war--which we are in now--on a field of battle--which the terrorists have made the American homeland--then it seems reasonable to assume that the act was part of the larger war. The act may eventually turn out to be unrelated, but that says nothing of the larger point of whether or not Hinrichs' suicide-bombing should have been a major news story and whether it was reasonable to ask questions about his death?
Since the WSJ, and the later CBS coverage of the debunking, fails to mention The Jawa Report as a chief culprate in spreading unsubstantiated rumors and innuendo, our editorial board feels duty bound to respond to the non-allegation that we have done shoddy reporting.
The original WSJ article is bad enough, but the CBS News coverage of the WSJ article is worse. Here is how they quote the WSJ:
“Adding to community concern was the revelation that two days before he blew himself up, Mr. Hinrichs visited a feed store and inquired about buying ammonium nitrate -- the same chemical Timothy McVeigh put in the bomb he used in 1995 to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, 20 miles to the north.…
All of the above are undisputed facts. Notice, however, the .... after the end of the paragraph? CBS connects the
known facts with uncorroborated reports. It goes on.
To that unsettling set of facts, blogs and local Oklahoma TV stations added several apparent inaccuracies, including: that Mr. Hinrichs was a Muslim and visited the mosque frequently; that he tried to enter the stadium twice but was rebuffed; that he had a one-way airplane ticket to Algeria; that there were nails in the bomb and that Islamic extremist literature was found in his apartment.
None of these claims are true: Mr. Hinrichs's family, university officials and the Federal Bureau of Investigation say Mr. Hinrichs suffered from depression, and the explosion was an isolated event.”
The way these paragraphs are put together, the reader is under the impression that things such as Hinrichs buying ammonium nitrate were also untrue. But that Hinrichs was under investigation by local police is not in dispute. CBS misleads its readers by stringing these paragraphs together.
But the original WSJ reports is equally shoddy. They unequivically state that "none of these claims are true." So, which claims are untrue and how do they know that.
1) Claim: "Mr. Hinrichs was a Muslim and visited the mosque frequently."
Source of refutation: Hinrichs' father-- "Joel wasn't a Muslim and wasn't under anyone's sway, Mr. Hinrichs says"
2) Claim: "Hinrichs tried to enter the stadium twice but was rebuffed"
Source of refutation: not cited. However, we reported here that security tapes did not show Hinrichs trying to enter the statium.
3) Claim: "he had a one-way airplane ticket to Algeria"
Source of refutation: not cited. However, notice this from the same article "investigators did find an airplane ticket to Algeria, it wasn't in Mr. Hinrichs's apartment, but rather in one belonging to an international student, Mr. Boren said.
4) Claim: "there were nails in the bomb
Source of refutation: not cited.
So, what we have are a series of unsubstantiated allegation. Are any of these allegations true? I've no idea. But how do we know that "none of these allegations are true" as the WSJ claims? Because David Boren and Hinrichs' father claim they are not true.
As we said in our first report on this story on October 4th that since the Northeast Intelligence Network was the source of some of the information (such as the report that a ticket to Algeria was found in his room) much of this needs to be taken with a fair amount of skepticism. But to claim that what we and other blogs have been asking "is just smoke...It's bilge" as the WSJ quotes Hinrichs' father as saying is beyond the pale.
It is true that some bloggers have jumped to the conclusion that this definitely was part of a larger plot, but for the most part this site and sites like Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin, Powerline, Generation Why, Mark Tapscott, and others have simply wondered why this was not getting coverage and how David Boren and others were so sure this was not terrorism when the investigation was incomplete?
If it is irresponsible to ask whether a suicide-bomber might have been a terrorist, then count us guilty. If it is irresponsible to ask why the mainstream media has not given coverage to what is normally considered an act of war in a time of in America's heartland, then count us guilty. If we are to err, let us err on the side of caution--and that side is quite different after 9/11 than before it.
While many of the alleged 'facts' about Hinrichs will certainly be disproven in the coming days, refutations by David Boren are not enough to convince us that there is nothing more to see here.
This and all other posts related to Joel Henry Hinrichs III are archived here.
UPDATE: By Vinnie, Hannity and Colmes will have an Oklahoma congressman on "who is determined to get to the bottom" of this case.
Should be interesting...I'm sure more updates will follow.
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Man, you guys gotta stop reposting this guy's picture. He's so ugly it's crashing my computer...
Posted by: osamabinhiding at October 14, 2005 04:10 PM (1JC96)
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Osama, where you bin hiding? After Greg was banned again last night, Howie was feeling rather low because he wanted someone to stimulate his brain with a contoversial comment.
So, Osama, get with the controvery so Howie can get his brain into high gear. Please.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 04:25 PM (rUyw4)
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Can you please refer to it as the University of Oklahoma bombing (or something similarly specific)?
I am personally still waiting on revelations regarding the more notorious of the Oklahoma bombings and I have been fooled twice into thinking you were referring to that one.
Thanks
Posted by: anomdebus at October 14, 2005 04:34 PM (45u9E)
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I like his picture. It's so sooooothiiing.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 14, 2005 06:24 PM (JQjhA)
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Whether he was a jihadotard or not, he was most definitely a loser, and an ugly one at that. I'm betting he died a virgin, which would probably mean a rough afterlife if he actually was a 'slamotard. But then, white guys who convert to islam generally like it rough anyway, because they're just little punk bitches.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 06:42 PM (0yYS2)
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Just the other day, this blog posted the article stating that the FBI couldn't or wouldn't show a connection between Hinrichs and Islamic terrorism. And now...?
As for the ocmment re: CBS. Wasn't it on their blog and not on CBS News per se?
And yes, I believe that Hinrichs died a virgin. Maybe thats the reason he "strapped one on."
And I still think that Johnny Taliban should have been executed.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 14, 2005 07:17 PM (85Vr/)
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Don't worry Storm, li'l Johnny Taliban will either spend forty years in solitary, or he'll have to be the community bitch. Either way, I hope every day of the rest of his life is slow, miserable, and a real pain in the ass.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 07:23 PM (0yYS2)
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The new reason for classifying terror acts as common crime
I think there is the same old reason for US officials to downplay probably domestic terrorist acts (lately, the Hinrichs suicide in OK, and now the San Diego Muslim with the chem lab in his tub), and a new reason, too.
Old Reason:
Officials have always tried to reassure the public that they have everything under control that's humanly possible to control, and they hate
TV for exposing their failures. They tried to downplay Katrina even, but that backfired on them.
New Reason:
The Mideast gambit and theory of introducing democracy to reduce terrorism is undermined whenever there is a terrorist attack or an
arrest right here in Western democracies. Therefore, terror attacks in the West must just be hate-crimes, or suicides (e.g., Hinrichs), or
gang turf wars, or criminals looking for money to get their fix, etc. Thus, in the case of the Copt murders, it was not released whether the ex-felons
who slit the throats of the Copts were ever involved with Prislam or Islam gangs in prison, or had terror connections.
I googled this up but didn't read it, but it looks like it might support my theory:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007626.php
Democracy is not a panacea for terrorism
by Dan Darling at October 11, 2005 06:42 AM
Posted by: Mark James at October 14, 2005 07:32 PM (a0Jgr)
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StormWarning,
Quite correct. We should be prepared to find out that he wasn't part of a larger plot. But saying, definitevely, that he was not (as the WSJ did) based on statements from Boren and the silence of the FBI is not a basis for that claim.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 14, 2005 07:49 PM (JQjhA)
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"When an act of war is committed--which a suicide bombing is--in a time of war--which we are in now--on a field of battle--which the terrorists have made the American homeland--then it seems reasonable to assume that the act was part of the larger wa"
haha! Aren't you assuming its an act of war on a battlefield? Man you guys are good. And right after you said the WSJ. the WSJ! had messed up.
Posted by: actus at October 14, 2005 08:26 PM (Zi15r)
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So, actus, you find nothing suspicious in the case or its handling? You have no questions?
Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 14, 2005 09:00 PM (Gn9tM)
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Rusty,
I haven't had too much to say about this guy because, frankly, the entire episode is a puzzlement to me. The authorities in this case, particularly Boren, have been quick to pass this off as a probable suicide and have shut the door on any information they may have. I think there is more to this than just a nut commiting suicide.
I lived in Norman for two years, and was aware of the large numbers of Muslims and the Norman mosque. I have been around Muslims all my life, but this group was more aggressive than any I had been around. I had a business at Sooner Fashion Mall and large numbers of these Muslims would hang out at the mall. I had to tell them to leave my store more than once, mainly because I had two pretty students working for me and these guys were constantly in my store keeping these employees from waiting on paying customers, and just generally making a nuisance of themselves. Finally, I told them not to come back in my store, and they became very agitated. I had to call the police, and I felt unsafe without my pistol after that.
I told you this because I wanted you to know how I felt about the general atmosphere at the university. I have no doubt that something is going on here, but you must remember that Boren is the Boss Hog of Norman, and I believe that he will quash any news that might be negative about OU.
I don't know exactly what is going on, but Rusty, I smell a rat, a big rat. And Boren is the big cheese.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 09:12 PM (rUyw4)
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Randy,
One more item about my time in Norman, and I'll quit. I had and still do have several rifles that I shot weekly at a firing range just outside Oklahoma City. As you well know, when firing weapons on a regular basis you use a lot of ammunition. I was always on the hunt for cheap ammo, but it had to be of a high standard to keep from harming my rifles.
In any event, I was approached on the firing range by a guy who was shooting an AR-15. As I was shooting the same weapon and caliber, we had this in common, and he proceeded to strike up an aquaintance with me.
After a few weeks of Sunday afternoon shooting, he made me an offer I thought too good to be true on .223cal ammo. He offered 5000 rounds for $100. After much thought, I refused the offer but later found out someone else took up the offer and was arrested for possession of stolen military property. This guy was a BATF agent, and was going to the shooting range to, in my opinion, entrap people. I left the state of Oklahoma soon thereafter and have never returned.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 09:38 PM (rUyw4)
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I don't believe that I've ever mentioned Boren in any post.
Posted by: Stormwarning at October 14, 2005 09:45 PM (85Vr/)
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Fox had some toad of a congressmen on tonight that said it was a nutter with a history of depression who just killed himself.
Didn't matter that the guy was being used by dirty muslims or that he tried to buy big time boom boom...
why are they so afraid of offending the dirty muslim?
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 14, 2005 10:46 PM (bikuR)
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Yeah, I know, Filthy, that's why I didn't bother updating the update.
No news here, move along, nothing to see here folks, etc. etc.
Posted by: Vinnie at October 14, 2005 11:23 PM (Kr6/f)
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They did figure out he had dandruff.
His "Head and Shoulders" was laying four foot from him on the bench.
Posted by: dave at October 15, 2005 02:26 AM (CcXvt)
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OMG, Dave! That was bad ;-)
JJ, who's this "Randy" you address?
StormWarning: I could be wrong, but I don't think Rusty was alluding to you being the one to cite Boren. I think he was talking about the WSJ citing him.
Robert Crawford: No. actus rarely has questions. Only accusations. If he can't find that one statement to attack, he's strangely silent.
Posted by: Oyster at October 15, 2005 08:50 AM (YudAC)
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"So, actus, you find nothing suspicious in the case or its handling? You have no questions?"
Questions are different than assumptions.
Of course if we assume this is an act of war on the battlefield we're going to conclude its an act of war.
Posted by: actus at October 15, 2005 10:35 AM (Zi15r)
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Oyster,
It's called stupidity. I continue to call Rusty Randy. There is a reason for it, but it's lame and uninteresting.
Take my word for it, and thanks for correcting me. My wife has that job in the real world, and it don't pay very well, kind of like here.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 12:56 PM (rUyw4)
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Man-about-campus Report
Why is the MSM throwing hystrionics about bird flu and completely apathetic about this stuff?
According to that student, the guy was turned back twice because he wouldn't show his backpack. Does that mean Homeland Security is working?
Posted by: matoko-chan at October 15, 2005 01:20 PM (7I8Dl)
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Has anything that has been said, been confirmed? It seems like everything that was previously said has been either rejected or refuted.
For example:
Was the explosive TATP?
His father was quoted as having seen him for thirty minutes, in six(?)/twelve(?) month period, and now he says his son wasn't a practitioner of the Islam faith, how could he be so sure?
Does the wiring signatures match any terrorist diagrams, or known bomb makers pattern?
Why have they not reported anything to do with recovered materials from his apartment, car or the bomb itself? If there are no more suspects, these details should be available.
Posted by: dave at October 15, 2005 02:25 PM (CcXvt)
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Congressman Cole (R), who represents the Norman area, was billed as a "congressman who wants to get to the bottom of this" when he appeared on FOX News' "Hannity and Colmes" show Friday night. But "handled" by Allen Colmes, Cole peddled the OU line that Hinrichs was a troubled student and it was just a suicide. Colmes insisted it was a suicide and charged it would be racist to suggest Muslim students might be involved in a terrorist plot.
I hate to say anything good about Sean Hannity, but he tried to point out that there were a lot of unanswered questions, that the investigation wasn't done and it could have been more than just a suicide.
Someone who has Hannity's e-mail address needs to brief him fully on all the unanswered questions.
Posted by: Jack Allen at October 15, 2005 06:14 PM (BuX0n)
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Bah. It was very clear after the VA sniper that no one will admit to ANY terrorist activity. I don't trust these people with our security.
Posted by: sara at October 15, 2005 06:41 PM (EV9+m)
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Just wondering: Does anyone else look at that picture and see a Muslim Doogie Howser?
Twisted hollywood publicity stunt? hmmmmm....
Posted by: Lisa at October 15, 2005 06:44 PM (I4Xcx)
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Well folks, it seems now that Joel Hinrichs left a suicide note.
... left a message on his computer that he was going to quit living, his father said.
The FBI read the message to the father of Joel Henry Hinrichs III on Friday, after Joel Henry Hinrichs Jr. came to Oklahoma to clear out his son's university-owned apartment.
..."It was a single line of text on his computer," his father told The Oklahoman. "The cursor was still blinking at the end."
The elder Hinrichs, of Colorado Springs, said he could not recall the exact wording but said his son used profanity in the message and was obviously very angry.
"He wrote he was dissatisfied with the situation and was going to quit living," the father said...
...FBI officials also have said the investigation has not found any links between the student and terrorist organizations...
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/5104187/detail.html
I think that the bell is about to ring on this "conspiracy theory."
Posted by: StormWarning at October 16, 2005 01:51 PM (85Vr/)
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..."It was a single line of text on his computer," his father told The Oklahoman. "The cursor was still blinking at the end."
I'm not impressed. For all we know someone else keyed that up on the PC. The cursor is going to be "still blinking" where ever it sits in on the screen any case.
Also are we supposed to believe that this PC sat powered on but untouched in any way for days? We'd have to trust the FBI about this. . . OK, trust but verify.
Posted by: Ruth at October 16, 2005 08:57 PM (K37Yk)
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Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you and Malkin and others want
so badly for this tragic act to have been related to Islamic terrorism. Why is that?
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LibAvenger
Funny thing is that I'm pretty damn conservative these days (even though some of the far right won't accept me into their club). But I don't quite understand the reasons why so many people are looking for this to be an act of Islamic terrorism. Frankly, I don't think that people will be able to come up with a good answer to your question.
I'd bet the
Michelle won't be able to answer that question either. "Nothing to see here, move along" is what she's been writing, as though the media (known now as the mainstream media as opposed to the blogsphere that fancies itself to be the "new media") isn't telling the truth. All of this also seems to draw from a distrust of the FBI...OK, fine, they've never really overcome their J.E.H. heritage (sometimes), but so what?
Posted by: StormWarning at October 16, 2005 10:20 PM (85Vr/)
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Dear Conspriacy Theorists:
Did it occur to you that the computer note was found as soon as the FBI searched Joel Hinrich's room, but that it was not disclosed until the father went to Norman Ok? I'm still a bit perplexed as to the reasons why there is such distrust of the FBI (is it Ruby Ridge? What is it?).
Quite strange.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 17, 2005 05:41 AM (85Vr/)
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Ok, this 'suicide note' is bothering me.
Weeks after the event we get word that not only was there an (electronic only) suicide note, but that the cursor was still blinking at the end of the line. Did Joel have some 1980's dumb-terminal, or was he in the habit of leaving notepad, or Word open all the time?
It seems a bit strange unless you accept that everything we hear from the MSM is accurate. He would have had to intended to go boom that afternoon to leave a document open. By training, engineers don't leave many loose ends, and it seems strange that he'd leave documents open otherwise.
Stormwarning, a big part of the distrust is the immediate, absolute denial of anything other than what we see on the surface. It's too soon to be sure of anything, no real investigation has been done. I would have accepted a statement that 'Nothing we have discovered to date indicates any involvement in terrorism, however the investigation continues', but the MSM line of - Move along, nothing to see here - just tells me that I'm being BS'd.
Posted by: NavyspyII at October 17, 2005 06:32 AM (ZM3Qb)
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Navy...
It's too soon to be sure of anything, no real investigation has been done. I would have accepted a statement that 'Nothing we have discovered to date indicates any involvement in terrorism, however the investigation continues', but the MSM line of - Move along, nothing to see here - just tells me that I'm being BS'd.
If you're concerned about it being too early to be sure of anything," then why is it that the large part of the blog world along with Michelle Malkin seem to have concluded directly after the event that it was an act of Isalmic terrorism...a suicide bombing? As for the "move along..." line, I am so tired of reading it. Is Malkin some sort of "blog queen" whose word is taken carte blanche? Does fact checking count? She was speculating as much as anyone else.
I've got real work to do now...later.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 17, 2005 08:19 AM (85Vr/)
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PAY NO ATTENTION, TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.
People commit suicide with explosives every day in the world, what's so odd about this one? sure it doesn't happen very often in America, and mostly it occurs in relation to terrorism but come on? don't ask questions, just accept it blindingly.
When you ask questions in regards to a suicide bombers motive, and the investigation behind it - You = Conspiracy Tinfoil freak.
When a Democrat asks a questions about the WTC being blown up with explosives by the U.S Government, they're a f*cking Patriot!
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 09:12 AM (CcXvt)
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The story here is the WSJ's desire to minimize anything that may be "bad for business". Domestic suicide bombings are bad for business, so they'll go out of their way to discourage the airing of facts, whatever they may be. Curbing illegal immigration is also bad for business, and that's why you'll hear nary a word about it on the WSJ. As a right-winger sometimes I feel better about the blatant NY Times than I do about the WSJ's stealth corporatist agenda.
Posted by: Leonidas at October 17, 2005 09:27 AM (1VnnN)
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The blogger behind Jawa Report beats his kids?
The blogger behind Jawa Report is a pedophile?
Hey, these are just questions, I'm not actually stating any facts. I mean, you can't prove you're not a pedophile, right? So it's possible that it's true!
See how ridiculous that sounds? You probably don't (but I'm sure you're about to send off a comment in return about how disgusting I am to imply that you're a pedophile -- very predictable).
xoxo
Posted by: Terrence at October 17, 2005 02:44 PM (mntO6)
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So you can't be depressed, suicidal, AND a part of a jihadistic plot to blow up Sooner Stadium? Seems to me those might all work together...
Posted by: March Hare at October 17, 2005 02:54 PM (vi6Xz)
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I'm still a bit perplexed as to the reasons why there is such distrust of the FBI (is it Ruby Ridge? What is it?).
Let's see here; they are known to manufacture evidence, and as you mentioned, there is the who Ruby Ridge shooting of a mother holding her baby thing, which some would call murder, (I would), and they either sat on, disregarded, or quashed evidence in numerous cases where terrorists could have been caught, but weren't, and who later went on to commit further acts of terrorism. The FBI is somewhere between the Keystone Kops and the Gestapo, and I wouldn't trust them to catch Osama if he walked in and applied for a job and used his real name. FBI agents spend more time in classes learning to be sensitive to muslims than they do trying to crack terrorist organizations. I have no faith in any branch of our government but the IRS and the military. The IRS is definitely not on our side, and the military is only effective in the least capacity because of politics and bureaucratic BS. There will be war in the streets of America, and it will be sooner and more vicious than anyone expects.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 03:47 PM (0yYS2)
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Terrence:
In your scenario, your questions are not based on any supporting evidence, or really any line of reasoning.
In a police investigation, when someone is shot in the head four times they don't look for a suicide note, however you're saying it's not OK to question what motivates someone that is killed :
1.) With a homemade explosive.
2.) Is reported to have been attempting a much more powerful explosive component than required to kill himself.
3.) Very near to a packet stadium of people.
I am sure however if he had exploded outside an abortion clinic, after trying to buy ammonia nitrate and in his picture he was sporting a crucifix you would be using the same line of thinking right. Lone suicide, depressed teenager
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 04:51 PM (CcXvt)
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I would just want to know the truth. If it was jihadi, then we need stronger internal controls in this country. And it's a propoganda victory for the enemy.
The FBI needs to make it's records open for me to trust them. I think the govt has a vested interest in keeping a good clean record of no domestic terrorism has occured, since the patriot act has passed.
Posted by: jd at October 17, 2005 10:58 PM (NS4XD)
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NC Furniture Company Sending in Katrina Relief
Claremont, North Carolina (
Conservative Thinking) -- Hurricane Katrina has left many in Mississippi without homes and with ruined lives. People's worldly possessions consist of what was on their backs during the storm, what little they've recovered from the rubble that was once their home or business, and what they've acquired since the storm has past. Everything from dressers to kitchen tables to clothes to appliances is now gone. People are trying to rebuild but it is unimaginably difficult.
The Hickory, North Carolina area furniture manufacturers have been hit hard over the past few years but one company through a fluid business model and good management has been able to remain overwhelmingly successful. Progressive Furniture is a furniture manufacturer just outside of Hickory in Claremont, North Carolina (home offices in Ohio). Progressive Furniture's employees took a collection shortly after Hurricane Katrina hit and the company itself matched the contributions of its employees. That collection was then donated to relief efforts in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
As noble as the donation was it simply wasn't enough for the kind hearted people at Progressive Furniture who could do so much more. Conservative Thinking has learned that Progressive Furniture will be loading up at least one 18 wheeler full of queen size and children's bedroom sets and shipping those bedroom sets to the Salvation Army in Gulfport, Mississippi.
A lot of bad can be said about the problems with Katrina relief response. However, companies like Progressive Furniture are looking past that and becoming part of the solution.
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Great news Chris; my parents were in the same position many years ago after Hurricane Floyd. They needed everything and many good people helped them rebuild their lives.
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You hate your boss right well it's universal.
See Iowahawks second special guest commentary by Abu Musab Al-Zaqueery.
“you know that roof is not going to thatch itself,” blah blah f*cking blah. Then the wives start in on that suspicious “if we didn’t know better, we’d think you were seeing another harem” crap, like I got enough energy to go fornicating after a week of occupier missile strikes and filling out the Q1 school bomb progress reports.
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And also setting up an easy ad campaign in the future:
"Progressive Furniture. America's Furniture Retailer"
Posted by: sortapundit at October 14, 2005 02:30 PM (F1nba)
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sortapundit: Sorta wrong thread. (hehe)
Posted by: Oyster at October 14, 2005 03:26 PM (fl6E1)
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Oyster,
I didn't have the heart to break it to him.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 03:29 PM (rUyw4)
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Iowahawk is soil-yourself funny.
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Zawahiri-Zarqawi Letter Authenticity Refuted and Defended
The letter from al Qaida's #2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to head of IZAQ (al Qaida in Iraq), Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a telling and damaging communique. It shows the weakness of al Qaeda as well as their propensity to rule the world with an iron Islamic fist.
al Qaida has come out denying the authenticity of the letter which is also a tell tale sign of how damaging the letter really is. Of course, you can draw your own opinion about the authenticity of the letter.
I asked CENTCOM Public Affairs about the authenticity of theZawahiri-Zarqawi letter; the response is as follows:
The U.S. and Coalition have a variety of ways to acquire information, including detainee interrogation and raids of enemy locations as well as other means which often lead to exploitation of information and material. Due to operational security, I cannot discuss the specific way in which the letter was obtained.
It was felt that the release of this letter clearly illustrated the detailed planning and intent of insurgents in Iraq to one day control the country and extend their extremist Jihad to neighboring Muslim states, to include the destruction of Israel.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Department of Defense and CENTCOM have a high degree of confidence in the authenticity of the letter.
CENTCOM Public Affairs
I have to believe this letter is the real deal.
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Its authenticity is unimpeachable in my opinion due to the fact that the leftards have come out so hard trying to discredit it as some sort of Halliburton/Neoconservative/JOOOOOOish hoax.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 10:49 AM (0yYS2)
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What's up with the spacing?
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The comments are set up for even margins on both sides. You sometimes come up with some really long words like "Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooz and "Halliburton/Neoconservative/JOOOOOOish" force it to the next line. But you knew that ;-)
Posted by: Oyster at October 14, 2005 12:33 PM (fl6E1)
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It fits into so many different patterns and pieces of the puzzle. It is totally real.
Posted by: Jack at October 14, 2005 01:37 PM (aFawc)
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As are the aliens in their mothership which brother Farrakhan (bacon grease upon him) so wisely brought to our attention.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 02:14 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: sortapundit at October 14, 2005 02:27 PM (F1nba)
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IMP: I'm guessing you saw those nutjobs talking about 9/11 last night too, eh?
I'm glad they ran that story, it shows what radical nutjobs we have on our own soil among the ranks of "The Nation of Islam" right here, right now.
Posted by: dave at October 14, 2005 02:30 PM (CcXvt)
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The Nation of Hoodlums would be closer to the truth, Dave.
IM,
And that would be, I hope, "hot bacon grease upon him". j/k
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 03:15 PM (rUyw4)
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You know it jj.
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good peace in Financial times (london) about another guy called abu musab who used to be go between for al-qaeda in afghanistan and algerian terrorists in europe his last known location was in iraq. newspaper suggests the letter was originally sent to him and that he was to pass on most of the contence to zarqawi but to dress it up slightly so it didnt sound so critical
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Planning for the Future
Well, 2005 is nearly over. And with 2006 comes thoughts of midterm elections. I'm sure it won't take very long for the airwaves to become polluted with commercials for your (most or least) favorite representative to Washington. But before we begin this propaganda cycle, I think we need to take a good hard look at what has been going on. No, I'm not going to sit here and lay the ills of the world at this administration's feet. There are plenty of liberals to do that. Besides that, I'd like to focus on reality. And the reality is that our representatives, by and large, have been paying us a lot of lip service without really doing anything. Except for the bill that they just passed to relax restrictions on refinery building, I can't think of much of anything Congress has managed to get done recently. Oh, I'm sure there have been hundreds of little "pet project" bills that they have managed to get through, but there are some major issues that are being swept under the rug here and need to be addressed. I think that we need to use these midterm elections to send a message to our representatives. We need to let them know that they no longer control the issues. These are the things that we are concerned about and they have two more years to start doing something about them before we start voting them out of office.
With that in mind, I have come up with a small list of issues that I believe need attention. These are mainly issues that have been brought up, talked about and raised as standards by many representatives, then quickly hidden before any real action has had to be taken.
1. What ever happened to Social Security reform? Of course we all realize that the Democrats don't even want to talk about this, but hey, we're the majority party. It's time to do something before the whole thing collapses like the house of cards that it is. We have already forced the Democrats to admit there is a problem, but then we didn't do anything about it. Why haven't we pressed that advantage to actually get something done?
2. School Vouchers have been a hot topic for politicians to run on for quite some time now. Let's do something besides pay them lip service.
3. All (or most) of our Republicans have been spending like Democrats for the past several years. The last highway bill is a travesty that should never have been allowed to pass through a Republican congress. If they're afraid of holding up an important bill just because it's stuffed full of pork, we need to let them know that we will fully support their decision. If it's just because they want to spend like everyone else, then they need to know that we will no longer support that. Either way, they need to get the message loud and clear that it well beyond time to get government spending under control.
4. When trying to find the money for Hurricane Katrina relief, several Republicans stood up to say that it was time to take control of government spending. There were several good proposals on the table at the time. After their initial press coverage, these things seem to have disappeared. Is that from lack of support? If so, why are our Republican representatives showing so much fiscal irresponsibility? Let's get these proposals back out and start slashing at some fat.
5. When are we going to show that we value human life? I'm not talking about outlawing abortion tomorrow. I'm too much of a realist to think that's going to happen soon (if at all). But there were so many representatives ready to jump on the bandwagon when it looked politically expedient for them during the Terri Schiavo issue. Now we don't hear a peep out of them. If you were so concerned about protecting the Terri Schiavos of this nation, why aren't you doing something about it. If you don't feel that it's the federal government's place to do anything about it, why aren't you urging states to take action?
Overall, I have been quite disappointed in the actions taken by our supposed majority. With elections just around the corner, we need to make it more than clear that we can and will rally around someone who will give us more than talking points. After all, if I wanted all my money stolen and to be lied to constantly, I'd vote Democrat.
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I wonder if the leftards will get riled up enough to start vandalising Republican campaign offices and vehicles again? I think that when they start their crap again, some heads need busting.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 10:51 AM (0yYS2)
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And don't forget scrapping our current tax code and replacing it with the Fair Tax. I sent a letter to Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) to urge him to endorse the Fair Tax. Have yet to hear a word from him. Not even a form letter asking for a donation. Currently, just about all Florida's Republicans are on board. Nelson refuses to commit. The only ones who are decidedly against it are of course Democrats. It's obvious they don't know shit about it or are just strong proponents for "progressive taxation". Gotta punish anyone who works hard, you know. Marx is their hero.
Posted by: Oyster at October 14, 2005 12:41 PM (fl6E1)
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Can we impeach Boxer and Feinstein, please?
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 14, 2005 02:47 PM (T85lV)
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Well Oyster, the dhimmicrats are against the fair tax because a graduated income tax is one of Marx's cornerstone strategies of destroying a society. It would be like disarming themselves.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 06:45 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: matoko-chan at October 15, 2005 01:01 PM (7I8Dl)
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...politically expedient for them during the Terri Schiavo...
ow ow ow! make it stop, oh you are so hilarious!!
dontcha get it? They were vote-whoring all along, and the only reason the dems played along was they were terrified of losing those red state votes--drew, anyone with the lowest intelligence could have looked at the CAT scans and seen her hippocamus was liquefied!!!
you are just so funnie.
Posted by: matoko-chan at October 15, 2005 01:09 PM (7I8Dl)
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I'm sorry that your life is so hollow and meaningless that you feel you must attack everything I say.
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Terror Arrests In Netherlands, Parliament Sealed Off

Seven terrorists have been arrested in the Netherlands today as Dutch police mounted a series of raids nationwide. Among the seven terror suspects was a woman. The Dutch Parliament and the Prime Minister's office were also sealed off as gun shots were heard from a nearby street.
One of those arrested was a repeat offender. Dutch news agency ANP reports that among those arrested was Samir Azzouz, 19, acquitted in April of charges of planning attacks on government buildings--including Parliament. Police report that they found maps of potential targets in his home which included parliament and the Borselle nuclear power plant. (AKI)
Azzouz is suspected of belonging to the Hofstad Network, a group of suspected radical muslims which allegedly included Mohammed Bouyeri, the Dutch-Morroccan man jailed for life in July for the murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh, nearly a year ago in Amsterdam. (FT)
On Thursday, media reported renewed threats against members of parliament Ayaan Hirsi Ali (image right) and Geert Wilders, both outspoken critics of Islamic extremism. The two went into hiding for several months after Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh's brutal murder. (Haaretz)
Local media also report that gunshots were heard in a largely Muslim immigrant neighborhood in the Hague this morning. The police have yet to confirm this.
Today, The Jawa Report received this comment from a Muslim reader in The Netherlands:
JIHAD AGAINST THE KUFFAR AND THE MUNAFIQEEN, MURTADEEN IS FARD (required)
SO OH MUSLIMS MARCH OUT TOWARDS THE BATTLEFIELD OF AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, JAZERATUL ARAB, KASHMIR, SHESHAAN, PALESTINE
Do you now see the extent of the problem?
CNN:
Journalist Hans Andringa told CNN there had been rumors that on November 2, the anniversary of Van Gogh's death, fundamentalists were planning "a macabre birthday party."
Following the arrests, Holland's National Coordinator for Counterterrorism announced a stepping up of security around the Binnenhof (parliamentary and governmental complex in The Hague), the headquarters of the General Intelligence and Security Service in Leidschendam, the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations.
Personal security was also being stepped up for leading figures, the statement said, adding that there was no need to raise the general threat level associated with the national terrorist threat assessment.
"As reported earlier, the current threat level for the Netherlands is substantial, and that level remains unchanged," the statement said.
It's looking less and less like the Netherlands will be the first country to adopt sharia law. My bet is now on Sweden.
Personal note: I'm off the rest of the day doing you know what with you know who at you know where.
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I would like to kick her in her lady parts with a wooden shoe.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 14, 2005 09:27 AM (5ceWd)
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My god, they caught Zoe!!!!
we're all doomed... er ah... um...
Joss Whedon is my master!
Posted by: Jon at October 14, 2005 10:01 AM (alDTJ)
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Isn't it funny how all those who are constantly calling for others to join the jihad can't seem to find the time themselves to go get shot?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 10:57 AM (0yYS2)
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Er, the pic is of Hirsi Ali who is a VICTIM of the Religion of Peace, and not a perp.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 14, 2005 11:05 AM (JQjhA)
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I thought that might be her.
And don't give up on the Netherlands yet, Rusty. They might talk big, but every time we turn around they capitulate, exact light sentences on perps and enact more Islam-friendly laws.
Posted by: Oyster at October 14, 2005 12:47 PM (fl6E1)
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Netherlands out of Iraq now! .......er
Netherlands stop your oppression of Palastine.........er
Netherlands stops supporting the Zionist state...... er
Seriously, it's a well known fact that Zuiderkerk is the #3,1015,001,10021 most holy site of Islam, OCCUPIERS !
Posted by: dave at October 14, 2005 02:44 PM (CcXvt)
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Heh. Good points dave. Sorry about the Joooish conspiracy remark the other day, I was just on a bipolar downswing, you're all right.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 03:12 PM (0yYS2)
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