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A lot has been made of a single image of a single event which may or may not have been a violation of the Law of War documented by Kevin Sites in Fallujah. But what about images documenting how our enemies operated in that city? John Donovan has a post about this very thing and has uploaded images from a slide show presentation sent to him by the IMEF & MNC-I EFFECTS Exploitation Team. All of the images can be found here. I have a copy of the original powerpoint slideshow in ZIP format and can send it to you, just e-mail me. John has given me permission to share some of the images with you posted below along with some of my commentary. Please spread the word about this.
More on the hostage connection. Perhaps the computers below were used to upload all of the beheading videos put out by Zarqawi? One thing is for certain, Zarqawi is under enough pressure that he has been unable to upload the Margaret Hassan execution video. Thank you Marines. Click to enlarge.
The slideshow also highlights the terrorists use of holy places in war. It notes that 60 of 100 Mosques in Fallujah were used for fighting or weapons caches. It also notes that 3 of Fallujah's hospitals were used by the terrorists as bases of operation. A list of foreign fighters is also shown. More here. Trust me, it's incredible.
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Gawdang! That's the exact same unit I have. Handy li'l bugger, but I can assure you mine has never been to Damascus.
Posted by: Editor at November 23, 2004 05:28 PM (adpJH)
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Chilling pictures Rusty. It's like after WW2, and finding the concentration camps.
:-(
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 07:50 PM (ptOpl)
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Dear Rusty,
I'm an ANG chaplain in CONUS keeping track of this stuff and I want to thank you for keeping us informed. I'm sure the folks who have seen this stuff first hand and the enemy face to face could use some pats on the back and some hangin out time with a friend or a padre. No mistake, these bad guys are EVIL and stopping them is our most noble endeavor. You and our colleagues in the sand are in our prayers.
God Speed,
Fr. Wes
p.s. If any of you guys are near Bakersfield or Edwards AFB when you go CONUS email me and I'll buy you a pizza!
Posted by: Fr. Wes at November 23, 2004 11:12 PM (St8J/)
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That would be a 95 model 4x4 Suburban in a lovely shade of emerald green. Had one just like it.
Posted by: dick at November 24, 2004 05:42 AM (hu9UN)
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I this is going to sound really stupid ... but the conceptual manual of operation terrorist's dont recognize the convention. To be bound by it you have to have signed up to it, and terrorists work to TERRORIZE a population, hence there is no need to say "Proof of Geneva Convention Violations".
Just a minor point.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Posted by: Salamander at November 24, 2004 08:05 AM (V40IZ)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but coalition forces aren't required to follow the Geneva Convention in this conflict simply because it isn't a war in the conventional sense (maybe it was before the Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein was toppled). Coalition forces, though, do have their rules of engagement which they are required to follow.
And Salamander makes the definitive point in that if you didn't sign the treaty, you're not bound to follow it.
Now, I'm sure there are a lot of human rights abuses that have happened, on the other hand. That ought to be investigated for sure.
Posted by: Venom at November 24, 2004 08:40 AM (dbxVM)
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HAD, Dick? Hmmm...
... and a '95????!!!! Hmmm, again. Hmmm, indeed. Does this strengthen the OKC, connection. Heh.
(take a deep breath people. Kidding, just kidding).
Posted by: Editor at November 24, 2004 09:59 AM (adpJH)
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Great photos, no doubt. But I certainly take issue with Laura's post comparing them to finding the WWII concentration camps...let's keep some persepective here.
Posted by: Sean at November 24, 2004 10:04 AM (2FYhY)
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Actually the Geneva Conventions specifically covers situations like Iraq. The insurgents, as far as they represent no specific country (if they can be shown to be agents of a country that is another matter), are not bound by the Geneva Conventions. The US forces, as an occupying force representing a signatory country are bound by Conventions, regardless of whether Iraq had been a signatory or not.
"The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance."
http://www.genevaconventions.org/
I support our soldiers and Marines 100%, by the way, and if I were in their boots I'd protect myself first and let the lawyers worry about the Conventions.
Posted by: Jeff at November 24, 2004 01:06 PM (7eCVO)
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Excellent post, Rusty. Looks to me like we need to find another flag and maybe another execution center.
The flag found in Cache-Location 4 matches pretty well with the flag in the Bigley screenshot - vertical alignment of symbols below top writing appears the same and the arc lines above the yellow circle are appear to have the same arc length.
However those same lower symbols below the text in the Hensley screenshot align differently with the Cache-Location 4 flag and the arc lines have a much longer arc length.
Many more flags to capture, many more terrorists to kill. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Dusty at November 24, 2004 01:36 PM (4ok/F)
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BTW, just idle curiosity, but I sure would like to know if the coordinates of any of those Syrian waypoints coincide with the location of the front gate at Assad's summer residence.
Posted by: Dusty at November 24, 2004 01:50 PM (4ok/F)
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Sean, what are you talking about? Keep it in perspective? I wasn't comparing it to the concentration camps PER SE, just saying they REMINDED me of them.
Sheesh.
Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 04:57 PM (ptOpl)
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SALAMANDER CAN FIND SOMETHING WRONG THE THANKSGIVING DAY TURKEY.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 07:39 PM (XioYD)
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I've yet to see an appropriate set of responses to war crimes on the other side. Usually the assumption is that a reciprocity in violations is tolerated. They kill and torture prisoners, you start hanging the guys on their side where they can be found and the problem generally resolves itself.
While that's the de facto situation, I'm not so sure that it's the de jure situation. Anybody out there have some pointers?
Posted by: TM Lutas at November 24, 2004 11:47 PM (VyJE4)
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Actually, the insurgents are bound by the Geneva Convention if they want to be covered by it. They are violating the rules of war in a number of ways, and after appropriate evidence is presented of their activities, they can be deemed as breaking the rules of war by the US and they then lose the protections of POW status. If the UCMJ allowed it, under the Geneva Conventions it would be quite legal to summarily execute people found not to be eligible for POW status be acting as combatants nonetheless. They are illegal combatants in that case. However, the UCMJ does not allow for summary executions.
Posted by: David Newton at November 25, 2004 04:38 AM (l8gSf)
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Well, thanks for letting us see this stuff. I am going to send it over to my armory and i imagine it will very soon start circulating through training for Guardsmen and such going over there.
Thanks again.
PFC
Posted by: PFC at November 25, 2004 10:36 AM (odmIj)
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Is this the location with the flowing, white curtatin? On sunny days I imagine sitting bound on a hard floor with the beautiful sunlight streaming through that curtain while someone rants in Arabic and gets prepared to butcher me. I want that location preserved as a war memorial site after being covered by forensic file-types. The images of suffering there struck me more than the bridge, which shattered my family to begin with. I see the flag, and wonder...
Posted by: militarybrat at November 28, 2004 12:37 AM (Gm8nC)
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the flag, although identical, may or may not be the "original" one where the atrocities took place. That's like saying "wow, we found an American flag", just one of many, ya know? On the other hand, being that the flag was found in a place where the killings supposedly took place, it very well may be the "one".
I find it abhorent that that poor Japanese fellow was killed laying atop an American flag. What the hell was that all about?
God grant them all eternal peace.
Posted by: Laura at November 28, 2004 09:31 AM (ptOpl)
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this is fucking sick they are animals which should be all burnt and tortured till they die
Posted by: george mahon at November 30, 2004 04:50 AM (jkkCO)
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Is it just me, or is anyone else bothered by the pic of Hensley from the beheading video? You can almost see his eyes under the blindfold. Someone said on the actual video, you can see his eyes move around while they are killing him.
Haunting, indeed. God only knows what those poor men were thinking, sitting there. Can you imagine? I can't.
Only fuels my hatred the more I think about it.
Posted by: Laura at December 01, 2004 09:07 AM (ptOpl)
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where did you get the information for your website?
Posted by: nicole at December 01, 2004 01:13 PM (7F+VB)
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this is an illegal war built on lies. a good man defends his country and constitution from any and all attacks. learn the facts about corruption in government before you congratulate these poor men on doing the dirty work of big contract corporations. i pray for conscience and the peace of christ to give you the strength to stand up open your hearts and her THE TRUTH! PRAISE GOD PRINCE OF PEACE!
Posted by: false patriots at December 16, 2004 10:34 PM (6D0KW)
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At the most we can only desire for peace.
Posted by: Amit at September 07, 2005 12:47 AM (hu+Zj)
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Below is an image of a room where hostages and other victims were murdered. The bags are full of sand used by the terrorists to clean up all the blood. On the walls you can see the dried blood the terrorists overlooked. Another image, not seen here but which is #33 here is of a handprint left in blood. Click to enlarge.
