November 24, 2004
Zarqawi on the run, castigates Muslims for abandoning support
An image from yesterday's post showed one of Zarqawi's safe-houses filled with computers that had been abandoned by him after the assault on Fallujah. With Fallujah no longer a safe-haven for terrorists, Zarqawi has attempted to move his base of operation to Mosul although some accounts say he is moving to Baquba. Terrorists need some amount of local support if they wish to successfully operate for the long run. Unfortunately for Zarqawi, it looks like the environment he is operating in is becoming more hostile. Thanks to James for sending me this news from Bloomberg:
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda- linked terrorist responsible for attacks across Iraq, accused the country's Muslim theologians of abandoning the jihad, or holy war, indicating his group may be feeling under threat.more...``You have betrayed us in the darkest circumstances,'' said a statement posted on the Internet. ``You have left the mujahadeen alone to confront the biggest enemy.''...
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The sad ranting's of an rat with its ass to the corner. Someone bring in the cat for a little show and tell.
Posted by: Salamander at November 24, 2004 11:55 AM (F26eZ)
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I'm singing, "Band on the Run"..........
Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 12:12 PM (ptOpl)
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What kind of justice will these warriors of the faith be expecting
when they are finally caught?No dont answer that,just let me think
about that for a while.Murderers,cowards,on the run,yes.
Posted by: chris at November 24, 2004 05:27 PM (d5+3w)
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Reminds me of a whinny little bitch.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 07:35 PM (XioYD)
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Let's hope that they choose to stand and fight, although that would be a stretch for that group of cowards. Let the Marines and the Army handle the "Punishment" side of the trial . . .
If they're running, they can't start as much crap and If we can keep 'em out of Baghdad, it won't be long . .
Posted by: large at November 25, 2004 10:24 AM (VRK2g)
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The truth be told Zarqarwi and his apostles of God so to speak
are probably shitting with such frequency,what with all the un relenting firepower comming at them from seek and destroy missions laid on bv the U.S. Special Forces and the U.K's S.A.S that they have not the time to even wipe their own arses.
I know for a fact theres one mean bastard of a scott in the
S.A.S that will cut some of their heads clean off if he gets the chance and time. This crazy bastard actualy heat tests the shit
their leaving with his own hand to know how long ago they fled.
Can you believe it,zarqarwis gotten wind of this and is affraid to
even take a dump. These guys are getting by on cat naps, a swig of water now and then and bits of rations, often just a piece of chocolate.Worth thinking about while stuffing our faces at this
festive time.The determination to eliminate these cowards is truly amazing.Hopefuly it will not be lon before justice is served on
these medieval mentalitied barbarians.
Posted by: chris at November 25, 2004 01:13 PM (V1ctP)
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I attended the Cowboys game today. At half time, besides the usual big name stars, they had a bunch of Army guys and gals,stationed out of Ft. Hood, TX. People in the crowd started chanting "USA", "USA"...it wasn't hard to get caught up in the moment. My youngest son, who has Down Syndrome was captured on camera giving a salute, similiar to JFK, Jr. at his Dad's funeral procession.
Needless to say, lots of tears were shed.
Posted by: Laura at November 25, 2004 06:46 PM (ptOpl)
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All alone are we Zarq?
It seems the Iraqi's are figuring out who they want buttering their bread..
Posted by: QPR Jon at November 26, 2004 05:37 AM (gwWrH)
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The sacred month of Ramadan has barely passed and the murder of Magaret Hassan reminds us all of the grim circumstances that exist in Iraq.
It appears that the murderers decided to let Ramadam pass before going through with their act of callousness. To even the most hard-hearted and extreme Muslim, this timing makes little sense, for this act is unlawful and inhumane, irrespective of when it takes place.
Today we are not debating the religion of the murderers of Mrs Hassan, but rather whether or not they are human in any way. If these murederers were Muslims in the slightest, they would have been familiar with the rules of engagement: that women, the weak and elderly are not to be harmed in any way. Everybody hopes that those responsible are brought to account.
Last Friday, thousands of Muslims raised their hands in prayer for Mrs Hassan and her family. The digust and anguish is clear from all at the fact that once again their religion has been hijacked and abused.
There is, however, another side to this coin. Mrs Hassan worked in Iraq for many years, some under Saddam's tyrannical regime, which now appears to have been safer: the danger seems to have begun after the liberation. This liberation turned an already volatile country into a breeding ground for terrorists, caused people to pick up arms and take the law into their own hands, and brought about unimaginable brutalities.
All violence raises the question: was the lawlessness of Saddam actually more peaceful? If these hostilities are a celebration of that liberation, then I hope that Tony Blair and George Bush will not go liberating other countries, at least not in my name.
Posted by: Tez at November 26, 2004 05:28 PM (PM/BC)
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Tez:
Muslims kept their silence far too long for it not to have any significance.
We are not stupid or blind,we know what your agenda is here.
I have witnessed the pictures online that catalogue beheading
after beheading of Armenian Christians by Turks in the genocide
that still goes unrecognised today.
I look forward to the day when man can live in peace with his neighour regardless of any religion.
Whilst your religion is still in denial and propogating hatred of all infidels and other religions there will be no chance of that happening
It goes largely unrecognised due to Bill Clinton backing down from his bill to recognise the genocide. He did this because Turkey
threatened to order the withdrawal of all American forces from Turkish bases.
How can anyone that prayes five times per day believe in anything
other than the law of their religion to the letter above all else.
The only thing I have to say to anyone that tries to tell me about the merits of their religion is Dinosaurs!
All religion is based on submission to belief that that this is the one and only true religion and you must believe or be damned.
There is no God.We are all decendants of the oldest human remains found in Ethiopia. The woman scientists call Eve.From there we spread out through all parts of the world evolving into the present
day homosapians.All religion is shit. The sooner you and your type
either completely drop it or just let the rest of us who would rather
believe in the scientific facts of evolution alone go on doing so without having to hear about your crapy violent religion. We have a right not to be threatened or intimidated by
your crazy religion and its crap teachings.
O other religion is so full of hate filled scripture about spiting unbelievers at the neck.For someone who said he had studied the
teachings of Abraham your Prophet had a real funny way of showing his appreciation when he sanctioned the beheading of 900 Jews of the Quresi tribe at the market place in Medina. Just a little exert from your holy book.Oh and the women were sold into slavery,some of your
prophets family taking them as brides. Great founding father of a religion when he sanctions the grieving widows to marry theit husbands beheaders.
Your religion like the Christian religion is a conquering religion. People in your prophets time were so affraid not to believe in the new
religion once he had established it that they readily took up the religion.
People then as now were largely illiterate exept for the ruling classes,not forgetting your prophet himself who was also illiterate.
The spread of your religion is only due to fear.
People had seen that if you belief you will not
be killed,life will get more peaceful,fat consolatoion. We might laugh today bur this was the stark realities of life back then.
The believers of today are much the same as your religion is not progressive and remains in the dark ages.
Posted by: chris at November 26, 2004 08:06 PM (Axxy8)
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Tez:
Muslims kept their silence far too long for it not to have any significance.
We are not stupid or blind,we know what your agenda is here.
I have witnessed the pictures online that catalogue beheading
after beheading of Armenian Christians by Turks in the genocide
that still goes unrecognised today.
I look forward to the day when man can live in peace with his neighour regardless of any religion.
Whilst your religion is still in denial and propogating hatred of all infidels and other religions there will be no chance of that happening.
It goes largely unrecognised due to Bill Clinton backing down from his bill to recognise the genocide. He did this because Turkey
threatened to order the withdrawal of all American forces from Turkish bases.
How can anyone that prayes five times per day believe in anything
other than the law of their religion to the letter above all else.
The only thing I have to say to anyone that tries to tell me about the merits of their religion is Dinosaurs!
All religion is based on submission to belief that that this is the one and only true religion and you must believe or be damned.
There is no God.We are all decendants of the oldest human remains found in Ethiopia. The woman scientists call Eve.From there we spread out through all parts of the world evolving into the present
day homosapians.All religion is shit. The sooner you and your type
either completely drop it or just let the rest of us who would rather
believe in the scientific facts of evolution alone go on doing so without having to hear about your crapy violent religion. We have a right not to be threatened or intimidated by
your crazy religion and its crap teachings.
O other religion is so full of hate filled scripture about spiting unbelievers at the neck.For someone who said he had studied the
teachings of Abraham your Prophet had a real funny way of showing his appreciation when he sanctioned the beheading of 900 Jews of the Quresi tribe at the market place in Medina. Just a little exert from your holy book.Oh and the women were sold into slavery,some of your
prophets family taking them as brides. Great founding father of a religion when he sanctions the grieving widows to marry theit husbands beheaders.
Your religion like the Christian religion is a conquering religion. People in your prophets time were so affraid not to believe in the new
religion once he had established it that they readily took up the religion.
People then as now were largely illiterate exept for the ruling classes,not forgetting your prophet himself who was also illiterate.
The spread of your religion is only due to fear.
People had seen that if you belief you will not
be killed,life will get more peaceful,fat consolatoion. We might laugh today bur this was the stark realities of life back then.
The believers of today are much the same as your religion is not progressive and remains in the dark ages.
Posted by: chris at November 26, 2004 08:06 PM (Axxy8)
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I second Chris... Pretty much verbatim.
Posted by: qpr jon at November 27, 2004 01:50 AM (ImVgp)
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What a contradiction in terms. Zarqawi on the run, then he lamb-blasts the insurgents for abandoning Fallujah. This guy is a joke. Let's hope that the Iraqis root this freak out, then cut his his head off. He has hijacked their religion. What are they going to do about it?
Posted by: Liquid Snake at November 28, 2004 10:58 AM (PM/BC)
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Snake, aint' that an irony in itself? ZarCOWARD, indeed! What a warped fuck. I hope and pray he gets his just punishment. I have a feeling he won't though. He'll either die a fast death by his own doing, or get shot. I would like to see him die a nice, sloooow, agonizing death.
Posted by: Laura at November 28, 2004 11:53 AM (ptOpl)
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That's right Laura, I totally agree. During WW1 if you had an officer of an infrantry regiment, just like Zarqawi for example in charge of his men, and the men were aggrieved they would of shot the officer in the back. These Zarqawi cling-on's, should kill him too, for deserting them in the battle, that was Fallujah. He is a coward, as you say. They are losing in Iraq and they know it.
Posted by: Liquid Snake at November 29, 2004 12:47 AM (PM/BC)
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Of course they are! Yet, the bastards are still killing and terrorizing! Look at the bodies found in Mosul with the notes on them, saying that others will meet the same fate if they fight with the Americans.
Where ARE these bastards???? And how the hell can they hole up like that w/o being ratted on? Even Osama hasn't been found. You'd think someone would break down, if not for the 25 mill being offered for their asses.
I just don't get that.
Posted by: Laura at November 29, 2004 08:38 AM (ptOpl)
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A big applause for Chris here. I kill you in the name of God who is all merciful is pure bullshit. Islam sucks big time.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 01, 2004 05:22 AM (wJPgF)
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I believe that the followers of Islam are lower on the evolution scale. They know it. Everyone knows it and they are jealous of the west because they are a silly little people who cannot complete in a modern world. They are what they are. In their souls they know it. As long as they live by and practice a religion that teaches hate and conquest they will remain a silly little people with nothing in their hearts but jealousy and hatred.
Our liberal friends like to constantly bring up the oil thing. But I ask. What would they be without oil? Nothing!
Posted by: greyrooster at December 01, 2004 05:36 AM (wJPgF)
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almost 50 killed in Iraq on election day is terrible But, if this is the worst damamge Zarqawi's group could manage to inflict on a day when, presumably, they were using all of their resources - every scrap of manpower & firepower available to them to kill voting Iraqis...then I find reason to hope that his influence is truly waning, that there is precious little sand remaning in Mr Zarqawi's hourglass ...
Posted by: Mil-D at January 30, 2005 11:26 AM (OpyxE)
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I hope they torture the hell out of every one of those murderous bastards before they get there own heads lobbed off! they could start by shoveing glowing rods up their asses or something? they need to go in the worst of way's, that's all i can say. They can't run forever, i hope they're caught soon. P.S/ i think they should use dull steak knives and start at the back of their necks.
Posted by: Tony at February 25, 2005 12:17 PM (9d7wx)
Images of Geneva Convention Violations from Fallujah
UPDATED 11/24: A few more images added. The orignial images are here on John Donovan's server but due to traffic volume it may not work from time to time. Digger has uploaded some of the images to his site here.
A lot has been made of a single image of a single event which may or may not have been a violation of the Law of War documented by Kevin Sites in Fallujah. But what about images documenting how our enemies operated in that city? John Donovan has a post about this very thing and has uploaded images from a slide show presentation sent to him by the IMEF & MNC-I EFFECTS Exploitation Team. All of the images can be found here. I have a copy of the original powerpoint slideshow in ZIP format and can send it to you, just e-mail me. John has given me permission to share some of the images with you posted below along with some of my commentary. Please spread the word about this.
Attrocities and Hostages: I've decided to add this picture and move it to the front. Notice the flag. That is the flag of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda linked Tawhid and Jihad group. Click it for a larger image. The two images that follow are screenshots I took of the Kenneth Bigley and Jack Hensley beheading videos. The flag appears to be identical.
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Gawdang! That's the exact same unit I have. Handy li'l bugger, but I can assure you mine has never been to Damascus.
Posted by: Editor at November 23, 2004 05:28 PM (adpJH)
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Chilling pictures Rusty. It's like after WW2, and finding the concentration camps.
:-(
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 07:50 PM (ptOpl)
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Dear Rusty,
I'm an ANG chaplain in CONUS keeping track of this stuff and I want to thank you for keeping us informed. I'm sure the folks who have seen this stuff first hand and the enemy face to face could use some pats on the back and some hangin out time with a friend or a padre. No mistake, these bad guys are EVIL and stopping them is our most noble endeavor. You and our colleagues in the sand are in our prayers.
God Speed,
Fr. Wes
p.s. If any of you guys are near Bakersfield or Edwards AFB when you go CONUS email me and I'll buy you a pizza!
Posted by: Fr. Wes at November 23, 2004 11:12 PM (St8J/)
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That would be a 95 model 4x4 Suburban in a lovely shade of emerald green. Had one just like it.
Posted by: dick at November 24, 2004 05:42 AM (hu9UN)
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I this is going to sound really stupid ... but the conceptual manual of operation terrorist's dont recognize the convention. To be bound by it you have to have signed up to it, and terrorists work to TERRORIZE a population, hence there is no need to say "Proof of Geneva Convention Violations".
Just a minor point.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Posted by: Salamander at November 24, 2004 08:05 AM (V40IZ)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but coalition forces aren't required to follow the Geneva Convention in this conflict simply because it isn't a war in the conventional sense (maybe it was before the Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein was toppled). Coalition forces, though, do have their rules of engagement which they are required to follow.
And Salamander makes the definitive point in that if you didn't sign the treaty, you're not bound to follow it.
Now, I'm sure there are a lot of human rights abuses that have happened, on the other hand. That ought to be investigated for sure.
Posted by: Venom at November 24, 2004 08:40 AM (dbxVM)
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HAD, Dick? Hmmm...
... and a '95????!!!! Hmmm, again. Hmmm, indeed. Does this strengthen the OKC, connection. Heh.
(take a deep breath people. Kidding, just kidding).
Posted by: Editor at November 24, 2004 09:59 AM (adpJH)
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Great photos, no doubt. But I certainly take issue with Laura's post comparing them to finding the WWII concentration camps...let's keep some persepective here.
Posted by: Sean at November 24, 2004 10:04 AM (2FYhY)
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Actually the Geneva Conventions specifically covers situations like Iraq. The insurgents, as far as they represent no specific country (if they can be shown to be agents of a country that is another matter), are not bound by the Geneva Conventions. The US forces, as an occupying force representing a signatory country are bound by Conventions, regardless of whether Iraq had been a signatory or not.
"The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance."
http://www.genevaconventions.org/
I support our soldiers and Marines 100%, by the way, and if I were in their boots I'd protect myself first and let the lawyers worry about the Conventions.
Posted by: Jeff at November 24, 2004 01:06 PM (7eCVO)
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Excellent post, Rusty. Looks to me like we need to find another flag and maybe another execution center.
The flag found in Cache-Location 4 matches pretty well with the flag in the Bigley screenshot - vertical alignment of symbols below top writing appears the same and the arc lines above the yellow circle are appear to have the same arc length.
However those same lower symbols below the text in the Hensley screenshot align differently with the Cache-Location 4 flag and the arc lines have a much longer arc length.
Many more flags to capture, many more terrorists to kill. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Dusty at November 24, 2004 01:36 PM (4ok/F)
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BTW, just idle curiosity, but I sure would like to know if the coordinates of any of those Syrian waypoints coincide with the location of the front gate at Assad's summer residence.
Posted by: Dusty at November 24, 2004 01:50 PM (4ok/F)
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Sean, what are you talking about? Keep it in perspective? I wasn't comparing it to the concentration camps PER SE, just saying they REMINDED me of them.
Sheesh.
Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 04:57 PM (ptOpl)
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SALAMANDER CAN FIND SOMETHING WRONG THE THANKSGIVING DAY TURKEY.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 07:39 PM (XioYD)
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I've yet to see an appropriate set of responses to war crimes on the other side. Usually the assumption is that a reciprocity in violations is tolerated. They kill and torture prisoners, you start hanging the guys on their side where they can be found and the problem generally resolves itself.
While that's the de facto situation, I'm not so sure that it's the de jure situation. Anybody out there have some pointers?
Posted by: TM Lutas at November 24, 2004 11:47 PM (VyJE4)
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Actually, the insurgents are bound by the Geneva Convention if they want to be covered by it. They are violating the rules of war in a number of ways, and after appropriate evidence is presented of their activities, they can be deemed as breaking the rules of war by the US and they then lose the protections of POW status. If the UCMJ allowed it, under the Geneva Conventions it would be quite legal to summarily execute people found not to be eligible for POW status be acting as combatants nonetheless. They are illegal combatants in that case. However, the UCMJ does not allow for summary executions.
Posted by: David Newton at November 25, 2004 04:38 AM (l8gSf)
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Well, thanks for letting us see this stuff. I am going to send it over to my armory and i imagine it will very soon start circulating through training for Guardsmen and such going over there.
Thanks again.
PFC
Posted by: PFC at November 25, 2004 10:36 AM (odmIj)
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Is this the location with the flowing, white curtatin? On sunny days I imagine sitting bound on a hard floor with the beautiful sunlight streaming through that curtain while someone rants in Arabic and gets prepared to butcher me. I want that location preserved as a war memorial site after being covered by forensic file-types. The images of suffering there struck me more than the bridge, which shattered my family to begin with. I see the flag, and wonder...
Posted by: militarybrat at November 28, 2004 12:37 AM (Gm8nC)
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the flag, although identical, may or may not be the "original" one where the atrocities took place. That's like saying "wow, we found an American flag", just one of many, ya know? On the other hand, being that the flag was found in a place where the killings supposedly took place, it very well may be the "one".
I find it abhorent that that poor Japanese fellow was killed laying atop an American flag. What the hell was that all about?
God grant them all eternal peace.
Posted by: Laura at November 28, 2004 09:31 AM (ptOpl)
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this is fucking sick they are animals which should be all burnt and tortured till they die
Posted by: george mahon at November 30, 2004 04:50 AM (jkkCO)
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Is it just me, or is anyone else bothered by the pic of Hensley from the beheading video? You can almost see his eyes under the blindfold. Someone said on the actual video, you can see his eyes move around while they are killing him.
Haunting, indeed. God only knows what those poor men were thinking, sitting there. Can you imagine? I can't.
Only fuels my hatred the more I think about it.
Posted by: Laura at December 01, 2004 09:07 AM (ptOpl)
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where did you get the information for your website?
Posted by: nicole at December 01, 2004 01:13 PM (7F+VB)
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this is an illegal war built on lies. a good man defends his country and constitution from any and all attacks. learn the facts about corruption in government before you congratulate these poor men on doing the dirty work of big contract corporations. i pray for conscience and the peace of christ to give you the strength to stand up open your hearts and her THE TRUTH! PRAISE GOD PRINCE OF PEACE!
Posted by: false patriots at December 16, 2004 10:34 PM (6D0KW)
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At the most we can only desire for peace.
Posted by: Amit at September 07, 2005 12:47 AM (hu+Zj)
November 23, 2004
Three UN Hostages Freed in Afghanistan
The three UN hostages taken by Taliban allied terrorists have been freed. Annetta Flanigan from Northern Ireland, Shqipe Hebibi from Kosovo, and Angelito Nayan from the Phillipines were in Afghanistan as UN elections workers. The three were captured in late October in Kabul by a group identifying themselves as the Taliban [earlier post here]. Later the group released a video of the three UN hostages pleading for their lives [earlier post here]. The group threatened "to kill them unless U.N. and British troops leave Afghanistan and Muslim prisoners are freed from U.S. jails." Later, the group threatened to behead female hostage Shqipe Hebibi because "She says she is a Muslim. If a Muslim helps infidels or America, that Muslim will be punished first" (earlier post here). After this, spokespersons for the Taliban tried to distance themselves from the group. Reports now indicate that it was a criminal gang that took the hostages, but this is not true. It was Muslim terrorists linked to the Taliban. This story via Chad Evans explains some, but not all of the events. What do you expect from the AP?
The three UN hostages taken by Taliban allied terrorists have been freed. Annetta Flanigan from Northern Ireland, Shqipe Hebibi from Kosovo, and Angelito Nayan from the Phillipines were in Afghanistan as UN elections workers. The three were captured in late October in Kabul by a group identifying themselves as the Taliban [earlier post here]. Later the group released a video of the three UN hostages pleading for their lives [earlier post here]. The group threatened "to kill them unless U.N. and British troops leave Afghanistan and Muslim prisoners are freed from U.S. jails." Later, the group threatened to behead female hostage Shqipe Hebibi because "She says she is a Muslim. If a Muslim helps infidels or America, that Muslim will be punished first" (earlier post here). After this, spokespersons for the Taliban tried to distance themselves from the group. Reports now indicate that it was a criminal gang that took the hostages, but this is not true. It was Muslim terrorists linked to the Taliban. This story via Chad Evans explains some, but not all of the events. What do you expect from the AP?Three U.N. workers kidnapped in Afghanistan have been released unharmed after more than three weeks in captivity, officials said Tuesday. "They are out," U.N. spokesman Manoel de Almeida e Silva said.Chad Evans has some good analysis also.Officials said the three were freed overnight and were in the Afghan capital. One Western official said doctors were examining the three at a NATO field hospital in Kabul.
The hostages were released late Monday and are in good condition, three Afghan officials told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Armed men seized Philippine diplomat Angelito Nayan, British-Irish citizen Annetta Flanigan and Shqipe Hebibi of Kosovo in Kabul on Oct. 28, the first such abduction in the Afghan capital since the Taliban fell three years ago.
Afghan officials earlier said they believed a criminal gang carried out the abductions, and that negotiations centered on a ransom demand.
News of the release came hours after U.S. and Afghan forces raided two houses in downtown Kabul on Monday and detained 10 people in connection with the abductions.
Most of the detainees were released after being questioned, an Afghan intelligence official said.
Afghan officials believe a criminal gang carried out the abductions, and that negotiations have centered on a ransom demand. But it remains unclear if the kidnappers are working for a Taliban-linked group that has claimed responsibility and demanded that Afghan and U.S. authorities free jailed comrades.
The leader of the group, which calls itself Jaish-al Muslimeen, or Army of Muslims, told AP it had no links to anyone detained in Kabul on Monday.
Akbar Agha also said in a telephone call Monday that the militants were "very close to an understanding" with government negotiators to exchange the hostages for 24 rebels in Afghan jails. [More... ]
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Why are some freed and others slaughtered? Especially Hassan, who did nothing but help their people and was in Baghdad 30 yrs. before all this shit started?!
I don't get it. Maybe I'm not supposed to.
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 10:22 PM (ptOpl)
November 22, 2004
NY City Anti-Semetic/Anti-American Art Exhibit
Zorkmidden over at Little Tiny Lies brings word of this fundraiser for Palestinians held in NYC over the weekend. Here's a piece of the 'art' with a description from Honest Reporting. I would only add that the 'art' in question also is clearly anti-American.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon collecting and boiling a young Palestinian's blood
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon collecting and boiling a young Palestinian's blood
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This illustration depicts exactly how the palestinians,the Arab and largely Moslem countries now see the Israeli Americain accord.America provides the equipment and we will do the killing.
Posted by: chris at November 22, 2004 04:34 PM (BYNt1)
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You're right, this is how they see it. The Germans under the Nazis saw WWI as instigated by international Jewry and the financial collapse following the war as a result of Jewish manipulation. Oh, Germans also blamed the Poles (and Jews) for starting WWII. A lot of people believe a lot of stupid things about a lot of stuff.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 22, 2004 04:37 PM (JQjhA)
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It's that old blood libel rearing its ugly head. Damn, I wish we Jews were as rough and tough and mean and nasty and conivving and sneaky and rich and controlling as we're so often "painted". That's one hell of a reputation to have to uphold and it's hard. LOL Now here we're depicted in true dead (as opposed to living) color. I checked out the organisation behind this exhibit. Yeicht!!
Posted by: bj at November 22, 2004 06:02 PM (Y3dKR)
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Sweeping comments and generalisations are far too easy.
I prefer to deal with the facts.Thousands of Jewish men fought and died in the trenches fighting the British for Bismarck's Germany in 1914-1918. Leading up to 1914 the German Emperor had been amassing warships to match the force of the British Empire. This and the building up of the German army was part of his plan to create his own Empire in the world along the lines of the British Example.This desire and only this was the reason for the Great War,the German people and the Nazis of the second world war were well aware of this fact,propaganda asside.
The assassination of crown prince Ferdinand of Austria by a Serb was merely an excuse, moreover the catalist to set Europe in flames as undoubtedly Germany would side with Austria and Russia with the Serbs,then Britain and France the natural allies of Russia would become involved. The German people and Nazis,''lets remember many Germans that opposed the Natzis were executed'',were very well aware for the real reason for the second world war.The impossible burden of reparations for the first world war reduced Germans to absolute poverty and mass unemployment. Is it any wonder that a tyrant like Hitler was able to rise to such power over the German people when the British and French allies had brought such humiliation to
them.Everybody knew and does know that this and the impossible to maintain reparations were the real reason for the war.Yes Hitler had his own private agenda of annihilation of the Jewish race.The facts which you omited speak volumes abour your political stand point. Or would you prefer like Hitler that the voice of fact and reason goes unheard on your blog.If two people agree in an argument theres no need for the second person.
Posted by: chris at November 22, 2004 08:17 PM (jKd94)
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According to Shirer's book "The Fall of the Third Republic", both the Allies and the Germans found it advantageous to overstate the size of the reparations that were actually squeezed out of the Germans: the French and British governments wanted to be able to demonstrate to their electorates that they were being hard-nosed to the Germans; for the Germans it was a convenient excuse to blame everything on the allegedly extortionate size of the reparations. In actual fact, American bond holders ended up being stuck with a lot of worthless paper. In this case, the perception was still as damaging as the faux reality, and the reparations issue greased the skids for the Nazi ascent to power and the subsequent descent into WW II - the latter being helped along by a lot of fecklessness on the part of the Allies and a totally useless League of Nations. (Sounds a lot like the current situation.)
Posted by: MrGrumpyDrawers at November 23, 2004 12:43 AM (wVSJa)
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chris, "Jews" isn't a race regardless of what hitler said or thought. We are a religion, a culture and a way of life. To continue that misconception is part of hitlerian propoganda.
Posted by: bj at November 23, 2004 07:08 AM (lTvh2)
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bj this was not my point,you seem to be splitting hairs that have already been split.The Jews are indeed a race, and as you well know if you are Jewish as you say, allbeit semite,the same race as the Arabs.To be more precise the Jews are uniquely a race and a religion.
Posted by: chris at November 23, 2004 04:55 PM (M+x3h)
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People are people regardless of religion.We all have the same basic needs.It is unfortunate that Jews and Arabs have to hate each other.If someone occupied my land I would hate the occupier.Israelis want to live in peace in their self made garden of eden.I hate neither the Arab or the Jew. We are all paying the price
however for this Jewish Paradise.There shall be no peace in the world until Israel accepts
how wrong it was to displace the Palestinians from land which they had lived and worked in
for hundreds if not thousands of years.The Israelites are the chosen ones they believe,that they have returned to the promised land from whence they were ejected. Whats the difference,
one Exodus for another.There is a great opportunity for us all to set asside our differences. I hope we can, yet fear that we cannot.The religious hatred and biggotry runs deep.From father to son.One thing I know is that if I ever have children I will show them the way of love. Hatred shall not abide in my home.All the great religions espouse love yet they all too espouse hatred of other religions as inferior and blasphemy of their own.The major problems of the world right now are to do with
religion and its negative effects on man's ability to coexist with fellow man.
Posted by: Chris at November 23, 2004 05:26 PM (M+x3h)
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The "Jews and the Arabs" do not hate each other, chris, certainly not for religious reasons. That is total fallacy. Some may hate but it's not an embedded emotion with Jews of which I, indeed, am one of the Diaspora .. wherein my anscestors assimilated into and intermarried/related with their captors who were from many different places. Semitic refers to the languages of the ME region, not race or blood. Technically, we're from the Asian continent at the apex. To call Jews a race is, as I said, repeating hitlerian propoganda which was responsible for the murder of many innocents.
Posted by: bj at November 23, 2004 06:27 PM (0V1RM)
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Chris: So what do you think the Jews (Israel) should do? Please suggest a workable solution.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2004 08:03 PM (RluOl)
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Anyone out there have a solution for the Israeli/Palistinian thing?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2004 09:04 PM (RluOl)
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Start by recognising that it was wrong to displace people from their
homes and land. Everything must start from this one simple truth.
All things are possible once this first step is taken.
Posted by: chris at November 24, 2004 11:38 AM (KidDN)
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bj,would you please stop miss quoting me.I did not say the Arabs Hate the Jews for religious reasons. I meant they hate them full stop.The real reason for that hate is the displacement of Palestinians and their continued suffering under Israeli rule.(bj what would you not do if your home and land was forcibly occupied and confisacted from you and to ad insult to injury you were placed in a refugee camp?)If you answer me this one question in brackets I am prepared to have a dialogue with you. If not then this will be my last posting regarding said matter as there would be no point of continuing in this vain.
Posted by: chris at November 24, 2004 12:03 PM (Hodkw)
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greyrooster
You type one line and a word asking me to make a suggestion to the problem.
This would take ions of time that I do not have.Far more than a one line comment thats for sure.Recognising that there is a problem would not be a bad start.If I had the solution to the problem I could probably retire on the proceeds of making such a monumental plan of winning the hearts and minds of both peoples in this conflict.Verbal bashing is not going to solve
the problem.Recognising the root cause and addressing the situation is the only answer.
This will take years of discussion and dialogue
from moderates on both sides of the divide far more qualified than the likes of you or I to make such monumental descisions and choices
to bring about said solution.
The world mightthen be a safer place for all of us.
Posted by: chris at November 24, 2004 12:35 PM (C5VrF)
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Everyone in the world recognizes there is a problem. My point is we keep getting this Israeli/Palestian thing brought up. Many refer to it as the root cause of terrorism. But no one, no one seems to have an answer. As for discussion and dialogue this has been going on for years and years. If Israel's location is the problem how can talking solve it? Jews need a country. Palestians need a country. They cannot live in the same spot at the same time. It hasn't worked and will never work. I have found that the two most stubborn people on earth are Jews and Muslims. They will never get along.
SOMEONE'S GOT TO MOVE. Now that should start some shit.
They moved the London bridge to Arizona. Why not the wailing wall to ???????.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 01:12 PM (XioYD)
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CHRIS: We recognize the problem. We recognize the problem. We recognize the problem. We recognize the problem. We have empathy for the Palestians. We admit the Palestinians got a raw deal. I am almost 63 years old and had nothing to do with it. My people are being murdered because of it. Mr country is spending 100's of billions because of it. The world admits there is a problem. The world knows there is a problem. Individuals and countrys keep pointing to this same problem. Politians (greater than us) ha, bullshit, have discussed the Israeli/Palestinian problem for decades without solution.
Now what can be done about it?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 01:30 PM (XioYD)
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What can I say,like you I am powerless.
The powers that be want this situation to continue because it sereves their purpose.
That purpose being in securing the vote
to enabel them to stay in power.
You seem like a reasonable man,I'm sure you see
the relationaship between Ariel Sharon and
the current state of impass between Arab and Jew.
All the signs are that things are going to get
tougher and tougher for the Palestinian people.
They are still building on occupied land.With Yasser Arafat gone one might have hoped for a thaw in relations but does not seem to be happeniing. I would be interested if anyone out
there has any consildered solution with bias to
neither side.As for muself I was brought up catholic and even went to priest school as a kid.
Now as an adult having met all kinds of people from many different creeds and religions I know that we are all basically the same.We are human beings and until people from the different religions or no religion at all start to treat one another with unconditional humanity we shall continue to sow the seeds of wrath
Posted by: chris at November 24, 2004 04:39 PM (oF88l)
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Greyrooster
I have just seen on the news that the burning
down of mosques in Holland has stepped up a pace.
that a leading moslem cleric in the Netherlands has said in effect that it might be a good idea if a leading dutch politician died of cancer.
This looks like some sort of veilled fatwa threat.The more I see the news these days the more I want to go and live on a small peace of land somewhere, grow my own food supplies,have
a few hens whatever and escape this madness
we call the modern world. Nothing means much,
what I thought of before as a given stands for nothing.Looks like were headed for hell on a rollercoaster ride with no breaks.People given shelter in our countries want to kill us. Society is so much chasing the money that nobody
seems to realise the impending dissaster.I once believe it or not thought of going to America and joining a far right movement up in the hills somewhere I forget the name of but this was because I felt so under threat from the agression of the largely black and very anti white population of where I live.
From originaly being quite a none racist white person I was beginning to hate all blacks because of the way they act around me.I realise now tha it is very much an education and system
thing. The blacks where I live are largely brought up un a system that said through the media,T.v. comedy and drama that if you are black you are bad.Unfortunatley too many blacks lived up to the T.V. and newspaper stereotype
and have turned lots of what would be normaly
un racist types like myself before living
in a neighbourhood full of them actualy into
very wary of them.As much as I find black people
in my experience in my area to be agressive and
anti white on the whole wht scares me much more
are these religious fanatics that may be sleeping time bombs in our midst waiting to go off and kill us.
Posted by: chris at November 24, 2004 05:08 PM (d5+3w)
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I must admit when I would see a gang of blacks inside a mall, gas station, mall store, etc. my hackles would go up. Nowadays, if I see a group of Mid East people in the same places, I am even more leery.
I would rather be stuck on an elevator with a group of blacks than I would a group of Mid East people.
Sorry, but I didn't get this biased overnight. There's a reason.
Nine Eleven.
Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 06:35 PM (ptOpl)
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I do not wish to get into the Black thing. Wrong place. Wrong time. More important things on my mind. Problem yes. No big deal compared to ISLAMIC FACISTS MURDERING ASSHOLES.
I know black people join the black muslim thing just to piss white people off. So what. It only matters if you let it. They really don't believe in that dog shit religion. Our main concern now should be patriotism and most blacks are patriots. Even if some of them wear their pants below their knees. Ha. Really folks lets stay focused on the biggest threat to world peace. ISLAM. This religion should be outlawed same as the muggers of India past.
May everyone except MATT BING & FEDERICO ( my hypocracy only goes so far) have a wonderful thanksgiving. Think of our troops while stuffing your face.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 08:21 PM (XioYD)
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Do you think they got a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts? for this kind of offensive art? or was it from MICHEAL MOORE looks like what you would have gotten from the NAZIS in WW II
Posted by: sandpiper at November 27, 2004 08:36 PM (NLR3Q)
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Where's the anti defamation league when you need them.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 01, 2004 05:40 AM (wJPgF)
"My pet jawa doesn't bite, but that's not my pet jawa!"
News, links, and tales of interests from the Religion of Peas and from around the world!
Antiprotester Journal cites a Coalition report that Zarqawi is trying to start a civil war. I disagree. The facts on the ground have changed, against Zarqawi, who is now cooperating with Shia terrorists.
More on Dutch politician Geert Wilder who is in hiding for saying bad things about the Religion of Peace.
Iraqi terrorists fire on US troops after waving white flag. Now about that Fallujah mosque shooting....
You may recall that two of three relatives of Iraqi Prime Minister Allawi were freed last week. It looks like the terrorist group Ansar al-Jihad has released the remaing hostage, a cousin of Allawi.
Muslims finally holding a mass rally against terrorism. And to think, 9/11 was only three years ago!! Islam: always on the cutting edge of social progress. Dean has more. Alas, what is needed in the Islamic world is enough liberals willing to kill for liberalism.
The Pakistanis have promised to take control of the so-called 'tribal' areas where Osama bin Laden has long been rumored to be holed up. The Astute Blogger reports progress on the Waziristan front. Oh, and if you don't find bin Laden in Pakistan, please try Africa.
The good kind of lawyer (via Robert Spencer): Saudi man to sue cleric over inciting his son to jihad in Iraq!
I'm not a veteran, but I do play one on TV. No, really, if I were a veteran I'd write prose like this from Opinion Bug or this from Small Town Veteran.
Simon's Weekly Asian blog roundup is up.
Both Flea and I have the same reaction to this, "WTF?". But it has a good beat and you can dance to it...even in a burka!!
This post will be updated later....stay tuned.
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Thanks Rusty.
Posted by: Simon at November 22, 2004 09:06 AM (z1Dwr)
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"No, really, if I were a veteran I'd right prose "...
You'd no doubt write the right prose.
Damn teachers, always having to correct them.
Posted by: Digger at November 22, 2004 09:16 AM (FYEx6)
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Thanks, Rusto Maximo.
Posted by: SparseMatrix at November 22, 2004 09:18 AM (935pb)
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Thank you. It's interesting how my friend Rurik kept that story inside him for 35 years and only got around to telling it to try to help one of this generation's Warriors. I'm trying to get him his 15 minutes of well earned fame, and the link from your site will help.
Posted by: Bill Faith at November 22, 2004 10:46 AM (qKQwG)
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Mass rally against terrorism? Must be in Holland or Germany. If in France, the demostrators would be arrested.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 04:03 PM (BFaxF)
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WTF is right. go to the main page for another anarchist advertisement!
Posted by: Macker at November 22, 2004 11:10 PM (wdK9T)
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And those dutch should kick a lot of terrorist butts with wooden shoes with a little added surprise(spikes)
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November 20, 2004
Army of Ansar al-Sunnah Execution Video, More Beheadings in Mosul
UPDATE: This is an archive page. For the latest information on terrorist communiques and videos, please go to the MAIN PAGE here.
UPDATE: This is an archive page. For the latest information on terrorist communiques and videos, please go to the MAIN PAGE here.
UPDATE 5/10: Army of Ansar al-Sunna website releases images of Japanese hostage Akihiko Saito. Images, story, and link to website.
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The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah has released a video of the murder of two officials of the Kurdistan Democratic Party in Mosul. This brings the total number of people murdered by terrorists in Mosul over the past week to 17. Images from the video are posted here. Graphic images posted below. The video may be downloaded here. The terrorists claimed the the two men were spies for the Coalition forces. Before shooting them in the back of the head, the terrorist put each of the victims in a robe with the initials PDK (Kurdistan Democratic Party). The PDK is a long-time ally of the United States. The PDK is the political wing of one of two main Kurdish groups that fought the Saddam Hussein regime for the last decade.
Having fled Fallujah, Mosul is now the center of terrorist activity in Iraq. Mosul is in Kurdistan, but Saddam Hussein's 'Arabization' program has made Kurds a minority there. Mosul was initially liberated by Kurdish forces, but in a deal with the US the Kurdish partisans left the city. In the past week there have been rumors that the US would ask that Kurdish forces be redeployed in the area. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has claimed that he is now in total control of Mosul. In recent weeks the Army of Ansar al-Sunnah has joined forces with Zarqawi's al Qaeda linked organization. The Islamic Army in Iraq is a third terrorist organization now working with Zarqawi.
Mosul was once the exclusive territory of the Army of Ansar al-Sunnah, but having lost his main base of operation in Fallujah, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has now relocated there. Hopefully this is a sign that Zarqawi's own al Qaeda Group in Iraq (formerly known as Tawhid and Jihad) has fallen apart due to Coalition pressure.
Yesterday I noted that Zarqawi had beheaded two Iraqi National Guardsman in front of a crowd in Mosul. Today, the bodies of 9 Iraqi National Guardsman were found in that city. Seven of the bodies were beheaded. Four other bodies were found Thursday by US troops, but they have not been identified yet.
Images: Above, pictures of the victims from the video. After 'confessing' the two are put in robes marked PDK. Below, the victims' identification are shown on the video to 'prove' they are collaboraters.
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S-A-T-A-N-I-C bastards!
Charlie Manson must be jealous as hell at the amount of support and funding these monsters get.
Posted by: Editor at November 20, 2004 05:42 PM (uurD1)
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Chicken shit bastards. They still have their panties wrapped around their heads.
Posted by: owoju at November 20, 2004 06:50 PM (N4SKL)
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Where ARE these bastards committing these crimes? Another group besides Zarqawi's?
Posted by: Laura at November 20, 2004 07:27 PM (ptOpl)
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Oh I see, Mosul? Guess we're headed there after Fallujah?
Posted by: Laura at November 20, 2004 07:59 PM (ptOpl)
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Time to get down.
Surround Mosul and send in the Kurds. The end.
Oh Yea, send Kevin Sites in with them.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 08:39 PM (ydtpC)
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Mason et al!
Taking seriously the 'political demands' of serial killers and other psycotics is a crime against their victims.
Posted by: Fabian Hammer at November 20, 2004 11:05 PM (N6GQh)
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this makes me sick , my husband spent his first year in Iraq in Mosul, he even has pictures of being in the city. Those poor people,
I hope we blow the bits out of each city till we get those sick bastards.........if some of these other coward countries would help, we could have enough forces to wipe out all the cities at once or clean them out.....
Posted by: madarmywife at November 20, 2004 11:40 PM (rLlU1)
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We put up a tent city, supply water, food social structures ie. school, medical etc. Advise families in Mosul to occupy a tent.
Flatten Mosul.
Posted by: Dotty at November 21, 2004 01:14 AM (siFAl)
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Just send in the Kurds, no warnings, Nada . . Tell the Kurds that they can keep everything they capture . . . .
It'll probably happen in less than 10 years anyway, so why put it off?
Posted by: large at November 21, 2004 10:20 AM (VRK2g)
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I am sceptical that this was the standard Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or Army of Ansar Al-Sunnah movement hit. The video was shot in a basement, not outside. Previous video's released by the above groups doing execution style shootings were done outside in the open. These guys were hiding from something, so it could a small group hiding in the PDK controlled territory trying to gain some notoriety. This could even be a rebel faction kurds from Barzani, Telebani, or a third party. PDK has been targetted before, and in most cases has carried out reprisals against those they think might have had anything to do with attacks.
Posted by: Salamander at November 22, 2004 09:05 AM (W2YA6)
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We need to let the Kurds deal with this.
I say we encircle the city cutting off ll escape routes and send in the Kurdish Militia.
End of game.
Let the Kurds kill all the Arabs they want, let them behead all the Arabs they want (on videotape of course), just let them go wild.
With Falluja in our control and the Kurds once again in Mosul, where is Zarqawi going to go? He'll have no base of operations. He can't go to Iran. The people there hate Sunni Muslims.
He would be be just a scared little man with no place to go and he'd lose his followers quickly.
Posted by: John at November 22, 2004 10:37 AM (AEjRy)
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I see they just caught some leader of the Sunni group?
Posted by: Laura at November 22, 2004 11:56 AM (ptOpl)
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I would like to underline that everyone here is talking so greatly about the Kurds. They are just as bad any of the terrorists out there. During the 90's Kurdish terrorists were your main money laundering, heroin / human trafficers, and illegal arms sellers in europe. Also not to forget the dozen or so US Armed Forces cryptologists / intel people they killed in the middle east ... but ofcourse they dont count since the Kurds are now rooting for DC.
Posted by: Salamander at November 22, 2004 02:16 PM (F26eZ)
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Salamander could find something wrong with heaven.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 04:07 PM (BFaxF)
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There is no denying that these men who commit these heinous crimes are sick and twisted. If we had a media blackout on these events, once the arseholes realised that they weren't getting any attention, they would stop. However, flattening the city or mass murder is not an option, and should never be first on the list. "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth will lead to a blind and toothless world."-Martin Luther King.
Posted by: Tread at November 23, 2004 11:40 AM (pmefb)
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You are dreaming. Just like Martin Luther King. did he get his dream? Nope just a bullet. Fanatics are fanatics.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2004 08:59 PM (RluOl)
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death to north america
Posted by: angel at November 24, 2004 11:41 AM (bVZhq)
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I THINK THOSE BAD GUYS NEED TO START BEING
GOOD AND STOP DOING BAD THINGS. THAT WAY,
THE BAD BEHAVIOR WOULD THEN STOP AND THE
GOOD BEHAVIOR WOULD START. CUTTING HEADS
OFF IS BAD. GIVING PEOPLE COMPLIMENTS ARE
GOOD. MAYBE THE BAD GUYS ARE CONFUSED.
ALLAH NEEDS TO TEACH THESE PEOPLE MANNERS.
Posted by: EDWARD at November 24, 2004 01:39 PM (Tff8w)
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i couldn't watch the killing movies because
i would have to pay for it. my hard earned
money is apparently not enough to witness
the act of the evil to understand their
mentalities. i had to ask my 9 year old son
for some money and he called me a "poopie
head"
Posted by: clyde at November 24, 2004 01:43 PM (Tff8w)
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Angel: Death to North America???? What the fuck is that all about??
Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 05:04 PM (ptOpl)
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Just another jealous little shit who can't get a green card.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 08:32 PM (XioYD)
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i fuckin hate these raghead muthafuckas. if you guys are checkin out this website; all i want to say in plain, simple english is fuck you. im a marine and i served in iraq. my unit conducted numerous sorties and blew your muthafuckin sons up in smoke. i laughed alot when you guys would come out of your shithole and shoot at us every once in a while, until an a-10 up above blew your asses away. you guys are cowards and are no match, nor will you ever be a match for the u.s. military. i fuckin hate what you stand for and my military and country will straighten you up one way or another so beware and keep being a coward.
Posted by: joel at December 06, 2004 06:51 PM (aLbSF)
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I mean honestly what the hell do any of you actually know about the situation in Iraq. All of you only know is what you see in the media and what is told to you. Your country started this war and are now dealing with the consequneces of occupation and policing the country. Honestly you guys suck at it, the British were much better at it than you were before shortly after the Second World War. Honestly the United States is being defeated in Iraq little by little until the American people just have enough and will demand the pull out. This occupation has costed the United States billions of dollars and look, how much have you really achieved? Nothing much. You won a morally shallow victory in Falluja. However everyday a Marine or Army soldier is killed from resistance attacks. The numbers of the death is way over 1,000 now, notice how the media quits telling you the numbers on the news. Also to the big dumb motherfucker Joel, yeah the soldier boy. Hey if you are so brave than why do you not go out and face them man to man, instead of calling on airstrikes to bomb the shit out of everything or hiding behind somthing or someone, the famous modern American tactic. Why not go and prove yourself, since we are just a bunch of panzies and cowards according to you. You fuckheads are the cowards. Never sending in a detachment of soliders until you bomb the shit out of it first when everything is dead then send them in your helicopter gunships, tanks, and F-16s that shoot accross the sky. The fact of the matter is Joel you are the one scared for your life and are the real coward. Also do not worry once you are in Iraq for a long time you will all start to get your thick head opened up to the truth. You will not have to worry about not seeing enough action in the future, because the American government is already building it's campagin against Iran, Syria, and North Korea on more bullshit excuses so white trash like yourselves will believe it. Anyway enjoy the height of the American Empire while it lasts.
Also to everyone that reads this post, please go and see the film Ferinheight 9/11, even though none of you will.
Omar Alansari
JUSTICE AND REAL FREEDOM FOR IRAQ!!!
JUSTICE FOR PALESTINE!!!
ISLAMIC UNITY TO TRIUMPTH!!!!
ALLAHU-WAK-BAR!!!!
ALLAH IS THE GREATEST!!!!
Posted by: Omar Kreger (Alansari) at December 07, 2004 03:15 PM (n5ZmX)
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I cant wait to bre drafted. I would love to go to iraq and murder every man, women and child i see. I would murder babies infront of the mothers, sons infront of there fathers and so on. They are doing the same to us.
Posted by: NIck at December 09, 2004 12:46 PM (lTHUj)
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i want to know something
Posted by: mohd at December 12, 2004 04:38 PM (PcZlV)
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Amen Joel...those chicken fuck muslim's have no idea what is coming to them. The asshole's really think they have a cause..LMFAO...when will the world ever figure out that we american's want to be left alone... are kinda lazy..love to take care of our families... fuck..drink beer..and absolutely love a good fight. Anyone who is dumb enough to fly airplane's into our building's is gonna get fucking smoked !!! we don't kill enemie's of our country for patriotic reason's...we kill muslim's cuz it's easy and fun to do. Killing allah's holy warrior's and freedom fighter's is just plain good old fashioned fun. raghead's forget that allah and muhammid used to suck and ass fuck each other on a regular basis..this is why all muslim's are intimidated and afraid of all women..they have no idea what to do with them,except beat the hell out of them....guess what ragheads..that stupid shit doesn't work here..we could just send our wive's to go fuck you muslim's up..but we don't want to embarrass you asshole's too much..so we'll gladly put our beer's down for a moment to fuck you up...love...bryan fox..ex-UNITED STATES MARINE
Posted by: bryan fox at December 14, 2004 09:34 PM (ywZa8)
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Fuck!!! All I was trying to do this morning is to check out the news and what did I find, This motherfucking ansar al sunnah bunch of sicos killed over 20 of our brothers and sisters,beheading human beings as they go too. weirdest shit, I was ready to email them mutherfuckers, insted I ended up here. allah is a fucking murderer too. you know?? his teachings support blood shed of their own arab blood, that of their women, that of their own, weird satanic motherfuckers they are. You know, I never was for the occupation and I'm not american either, I hate bush, but the blood of the soldiers fighting a war we shouldn't even be fighting is precious, I'm with them and many times I wish I was there too, still I support the troops and want mosul flattened and that army of cowards, allah worshiping motherfuckers gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Carmen at December 21, 2004 01:15 PM (QQLkL)
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Hi all, first off I want to say that these mofo are sick bastards and they need to be dealt with as regadless of this war they would still be around doing what they do, we would just never hear about it. I just find a storey I read today regarding Blair's visit to the mideast and his idea of a conference and the response he received from...well here this
"TONY Blair was yesterday forced to tone down his plans for an international Middle East peace summit in London, after Israel and the United States warned him not to "interfere".
Not to interfere, what a crock of Texas Horse Shit, maybe BUSH should take his own fuking advice. Going into Iraq had nothing to do with the security of the US at all, Afgan... yes that was totally justified. I think maybe he just wanted to finish what daddy started and get the credit. To all US troops, I support you and it sadens me to see the amount of fallen commrades you are facing, but I think unless a country has a direct reason as 9/11 than they should stay the hell out of other countries and let those countries deal with their own problems. I sure the hell know for fact no US citizen would appreciate there homeland being occupied by someone wanting their oil. Gee imagine that Saddam taking over the Crawford Ranch from Bush, hell that would be interesting to say the least. Cheers out to the Troops....
and to you fuking pieces of shit insurgents, to kill anyone for any reason is disgusting, but someone who helped you and did nothing but give to your country like Margaret Hassan, you sick fuking coward's deserve to suffer and you will die. By the way a question, why do only men pray together etc... do you poke each others butt holes? Let me guess ALLAH THE GREATEST!!!! teaches you how to drop the soap in the shower too? FUK'D UP MOFO.
Posted by: ALLAH at December 23, 2004 01:37 AM (yVXTt)
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It's disgusting what's happening in Iraq. America is guilty of war crimes from day one by INVADING A COUNTRY that has not attacked us. For those who are outraged at the beheadings of innocents, maybe to have some credibility, express the same disgust and outrage when American F-16's bombs blow innocent civilians to smithereen. To date, over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed by the Americans. With liberators like that, who needs opressors.
Americans need to snap out of their delusional funk and see this illegal war for what it is, A WAR CRIME. It's amazing how brainwashed Americans are to fall for another Vietnam type of deception by their leaders. Bush lied about WMD and connection to 9-11 and he should be impeached for starters and sent then sent to Guantanamo for GENOCIDAL WAR CRIMES!!! Americans should end the occupation of Iraq ASAP or else inherit a Gaza and West Bank quagmire!!
Posted by: Simpson at December 26, 2004 08:25 PM (QMawl)
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it makes me laugh out of sarcasm when i read comments like some above... people brainwashed by 'patriotism' and lack of political pragmatism... jeeeezzz i was 12 years old last time i thought it was cool to 'encircle cities' and sending gang raping death squad militias in to liberate the poor souls who really don't have much to do with the situation. When you feel powerless in your little shitty life and need a cause to justify your existence it's always comforting to have these uber power trips (and the hitlers these give rise to).
When the US was creating muslim fundamentalism to fight their proxy war against russia in afghanistan i was a cheerleader. Then i grew up and realized that every country with a will to power is the same. Now classic blowback (the Muj) will bankrupt the US in Iraq as it did for russia. HAve you seen the currency drop? guess not cause the rest of the world is not important enough to be of noitice.
Al-Zarkawi has been dead for a while (check out the declassified DIA memos - sorry to shatter your worldview), what we have is a convenient personification of popular and legitimate resistance against a foreign occupier.
The guy is the new Emmanuel Goldstein (time to read 1984 if you didn't realize). He replaced bogey man Bin Laden which we can't mention too much cause he was supposed to be captured or dead a while back - not good p.r. so lets forget him.
The majority of fighters aren't religously motivated, they are simply trying to save what is left of their country. I can imagine this happening in the US too and it would be legitimate.
Another thing people need to realize is that these
'terrorists' aren't cowards. They are fighting superasymetrical warfare in the defense of their national autonomy. Throwing a boy in a boxing ring against ten 300 pound gorillas armed with brass knuckles and calling him a coward when he jumps the fence is really pathetic. Somewhat akin to the school yard toadies sucking up to the bullies.
The war is lost, the economy is shit, the currency is devaluating like crazy (especially since the 're-election'), more oil producers are marking sales in Euros instead of US$ (one of the real reasons for invadin g iraq - and iran), petrol is running out but at least the internal propaganda is keeping people looking in the other way.
'Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither' -- Ben Franklin (repeat 3 times each morning).
Good Luck!
Posted by: Jake at December 26, 2004 11:21 PM (urulT)
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Many Muslims are complaining that non-Muslims associate Islam with violence, however, many Muslim web sites actively promote violence against non-Muslim religions. In my quest to understand Islam I have visited number of web sites promoting Islam and found that many articles on Muslim web site promote violence and non-acceptance of anyone else who holds a different political/religious view than the one thatÂ’s accepted by Muslims. There is no mention of tolerance of others and sharing/loving your neighbours.
Is it then a wonder that some of those neighbours think that the death of over 120 000 Muslims in Indonesia has been brought by the Christian God a day after the birth of Jesus to punish the hate promoting Muslims for all the evil thing they have done during the last few years (terrorist action, beheadings, killing of children and so onÂ…)
Posted by: My Name at December 31, 2004 10:45 PM (k0gmG)
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We should tell the Sunni's that if they don't cut this insurgent crap out, we'll bail out and let Shia Iran have the place.
Posted by: Bob at January 01, 2005 06:04 PM (Gu4Id)
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Instead of blaming the Americans, you should blame yourselves for not Standing up against the thugs who defame Islam. I lived in a peaceful Islamic country thou I m muslim. It is sad to see muslims not able to standup again these thugs, to make matter worse you support these thugs. NO WONDER YOUR COUNTRY IS IN A MESS.
Hack the are far too many example of countries who get independence thru PEACEFUL means. Why dont you learned from these countries.
And for ONCE. SHOW THE WORLD YOU REALLY TRULY BELIEVE ISLAM IS FOR THE "GOOD" OF THE HUMAN RACE. KILLING HUMAN ARE DEFINITELY NOT SHOW THIS RELIGION IS GOOD.
BY THE WAY, Y DONT U STOP AND THINK. BY KILLING THE "BAD GUY", DOESN'T SHOW YOU TOO IS ANOTHER STUPID FUCKING BAD GUY?
PUT YOUR BRAIN IN YOUR HEAD NOT YOUR ASS
Posted by: some1 at January 07, 2005 02:30 AM (rjHfy)
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what i want to know is, if all these arabs hate us so much - why are so many of the slimey thieving scum in our countries. why dont they fuck off back to the dark ages. i think how they treat their women sums up the greatness of their culture. all you fucking arabs should strap a bomb to yourselfs and blow up a mosque.
your women crave white cock. kiss my ass allah
Posted by: arabgayfuckers-die! at January 08, 2005 12:34 AM (5fHWU)
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I'm a Desert Shield/Storm vet as well as having done support ops for Somolia and Bosnia. Infantry on the ground in Iraq, 1991. I saw civilians dead by the hundreds at that time and the media didn't report it. They were THERE with us, we had a white camera truck to pull security for and everything. Don't believe what the United States media tells you. They are tools of the government. I love to live in the US but those guys need to tell the truth or shut up. This one side of the argument news reporting is pathetic.
The US people are also pathetically ill informed. Spouting what the media tells them is right. My dad watches Fox but not CNN and he's so right wing it's scary. My co-workers watch CNN but not Fox and it's exactly the opposite. And neither knows what's going on.
I did notice a post, even here, that said that Iraq had something to do with the aircraft hitting the World Trade center. Really horrible act, that one. And Iraq had nothing to do with it. Remember this: Iraq has not sponsored and claimed a single terrorist attack on the United States, outside of their OWN country, since before the bombing of Libia by Reagan. Think about this, these groups are damned proud of the horrible things they do and Iraq didn't claim the 9/11 attack. I believe that 8 of the guys that took the planes were from our allies in Saudi Arabia, as a matter of fact. Just like this Bin Laden fellow, also a Saudi.
The media is repeating the things that the government wants you to believe, but are fundamentally unproven, and for the most part untrue. They feel that if they repeat it enough, you'll believe it. Iraq did not attack US interests or assets. Even the Kuwait thing that I was there to help out with had nothing to do with us.
The Iraqis seem to be the ones that want to be left alone. That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, debate it, but don't flame it. Thank you.
Posted by: Jay at January 21, 2005 01:14 PM (6BVGa)
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First of all, would those of you crying foul at America's "war crimes" and comparing them to insurgent groups beheading people please shut your absolutely idiotic mouths?
You know full well that the comparison is completely unjustified. Don't insult others' intelligence by attempting to pass it off as some sort of thought-provoking point. It's stupid. By making the claim you are essentially suggesting that the insurgency are every-day Iraqis who simply want to fight the occupation. That is incorrect. The insurgency DOES hire some every-day iraqis to do their dirty work by exploiting unemployed, easily brainwashed civilians. The majority of the insurgents are pathetic, hypocritical pieces of inhumane shit who have only a POLITICAL agenda. They claim that Iraqi candidates are demi-gods, yet they have taken it upon themselves to decide what Iraqi civilians are and are not allowed to do. They kill their arab brothers and sisters without scruple because, in the end, they could give one shit about the Iraqi people. They fear democracy in the middle east because it would diffuse their power and their ability to hypnotize young arabs and send them off to blow themselves up for no good reason.
The real point here is that the vast majority of Iraqis as well as muslims from other nations are disgusted at what these groups are doing. THAT is what is important.
One thing I will never get over is how the anti-war crowd INCESSANTLY makes it their responsibility to speak FOR the Iraqi people. Who the hell are you? Of course many Iraqis would prefer to rebuild their country without the coalition, but pragmatically speaking this, at this exact point in time, is an impossibility. Do you fuckheads think the Iraqis are stupid? That they don't realize the aim of the insurgency to MAINTAIN chaos and death in the country, no matter who is being killed? Do you think that they believe for one second the insurgents want what's best for Iraq? Do you think they are unaware that all this is an attempt to start a civil war? Zarqawi has even said HIMSELF that one of their goals is to start secterian fighting. ANd yet here you are, speaking on behalf of the Iraqis like they are children who need to be protected from big bully America.
The insurgents spit on fellow arabs just to push their agenda because they have come to realize that fighting the Americans will never bear fruit. They have to scare Iraqis into fighting with them or staying away from helping to rebuild their country by showing these despicable acts in which they, WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY with what I loosely term a "clear conscience" behead people while they are still alive. Yes, the coalition has killed civilians. But did they go out LOOKING for civilians to kill? Don't be so absolutely ignorant.
I am a Russian who spits back at these sub-human, bitter, worthless scum. Their actions prove that THEY are the demi-gods, bent on creating states which they can rule with an iron fist while falsely using their religion to support their actions. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. Liars, and they befoul Islam the way Christian fundmanetalists do when they blow up abortion clinics. I hope that on the day of judgement they are sent to a place where they are beheaded then brought back to life and beheaded again over and over. That is all they deserve.
Posted by: igor kazakov at January 29, 2005 05:26 PM (xM3Dg)
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u fucking stupid bacon red neck fucking dopey american cunt im iraqi i fucked u cunts in iraq with my ak u pussy americans soon as u here ak fire u duk an hide u bastards will burn every ambush wil fuck u in the ass u fuckin shit wankers im going back. u mother fucker i will fuck all u american boys in the ass i will cut your heads off like sheep u fucking dirty amrericans bacon red smelly sweaty cunt you all fat u fat fuckers u fat jew fuckers i will go to my country july 17. u fuckers i cant wait to fuck u americans in the ass you will all die i cant wait to shoot u fucking americans pigs u will all die i swaer u will all die
Posted by: kaka at February 01, 2005 08:44 AM (164nF)
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I'm living in VN . I'm realy shocked by all the Muslim doing in Iraq,Indonesia,Thailand . Bombing,beheading,executing... are making the Muslim's visage to look dirty to all mankind . They even killed the one who support their children , their people .. Magaret Hassan . I always want to vomit when seeing a Muslim in Viet nam . If I were the Prime Minister I would wipe out all the fucking Muslim out of my country .
Posted by: tung at February 12, 2005 07:01 AM (alC3U)
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when i get zarqawi...and skin him alive who do i send his worthless hid to...and should i have his skin tanned first
Posted by: fucko at March 29, 2005 02:20 PM (ZMrYi)
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hey kaka...i am going to skin you alive next...what do you want me to do with your worthless carcass...i am going to make a toilet seat out of your skin...
Posted by: fucko at March 29, 2005 02:26 PM (ZMrYi)
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long life israel fuck all arabs in the world
Posted by: hazard at March 30, 2005 01:07 PM (vOi44)
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Hate them or love them, Muslims were here
befor America and they will surely outlast the
Americans in thus crucial time, we have been tested so many times and
with help of the creator we came through.
But to these who are negative towards muslims, I will suggest u do ur home work b4 u jump to the conclusion. YES we do have criminals just like any
other society but we also have dicent people and that is the way it's in every religion or community. To suggest that a man who's fending an enemy who has invaded his country is a 'terrorist' and 'thugs' and is beleieved as much people as in the western world is unheard in the history of war fare. absouletly unbelievable.
wake up people and find the real cause of this war NOT the calculated briefing from the white house, remember 'first casualty of war is the truth' wasn't said by Arab or muslim but an American.
And remember it ain't over till the fat lady sings
Mohamed
Posted by: Mohamed at April 30, 2005 09:46 AM (Wj8E7)
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No Bullet No Pray, will stop me destroying the Islamic Forces of Iraq.
Good Luck and God Bless you all.
Posted by: Apache Pilot at May 06, 2005 10:07 PM (EP3x1)
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i am american, do i think americans should be in iraq.....NO!! but do i think that muslims have the right to kill people for the fun of it...NO!! the american military will no fail in iraq......there isnt enough "freedom fighters" (aka scared bithes who hide behind masks!!!) the thing thats funny is if these coward masked bitches just stop fighting then it would be that much easier for them to demand america to get out.....which they probably would have to do with international pressure!! but there just crazy fucks who have sex with there goats and like killing innocent people!!! SO TO SUM UP...THESE DUMB FUCKS ARE JUST THAT...DUMB FUCKS WITH NO HOPE TO WIN AND ARE USING RELIGION AS THERE REASON FOR BEING DUMB FUCKS....lil do they know there religion is just as stupid and fucked up as christianity and any other lame religion!! so allah mcbeal fuckbar to all of you and start acting like human beings and not the dumb fucks that you are!!! I HATE BUSH AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!!!! SO FUCK YOU!!
Posted by: James Lehigh at May 16, 2005 06:03 AM (+q7Z5)
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I dont agree with the war at all and think that american and british troops should never have been drafted in to fight a battle many miles from our own homelands. I also think that the muslims are commiting a breach of the Geniva rules and they should all get hunted down and get tried for thier crimes. Why are the people who are getting executed doing at those places at the time of abduction anyway because i would be beside the soldier with the biggest gun not walking around the middle of nowhere with an invisable sign saying "i'm white come and take me hostage and cut of my fucking head" so would it not just be sensible to bring home all the troops and let the iraqies blow there selfs and country men up except for us or even better give bush and blair a gun each and drop them of in the middle of baghdad.
Posted by: gall at May 21, 2005 05:21 PM (+X6pY)
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fuck dude.... " FIRE ZE MISSILES!!!, but im tired... OK TAKE A NAP AND THEN FIRE THE MISSILES!!!" "W-T-F MATES"
Posted by: jake at May 25, 2005 09:10 PM (TMR5q)
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Brits and Yanks again invading a foreign land but nothing ever changes, CUNTS!!
But not that im excusing those mad dune coon, jehad yelling bastards.
Posted by: Up the RA at June 22, 2005 05:43 PM (R5brr)
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Bombs are going off in London. Blair is reaping what he has sown. He and Bush and their empire building have brought this about. They deserve it.
Posted by: CM at July 07, 2005 08:37 AM (PxX2b)
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WHY DON'T YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP! Look at you. I mean fucking LOOK at you. You're all as bad as each other. You fat complacent greedy American fucks with your casual violence breathtaking ignorance, ridiculous superstitions, hypocrisy and total lack of common decency. And you too you stupid ragheads with YOUR casual violence breathtaking ignorance, ridiculous superstitions, hypocrisy and total lack of common decency. Can't you see THAT YOU'RE ALL BEING FUCKING USED you stupid tools. All that shit they fed into you back when you were growing up HAS FUCKED YOU UP IN THE HEAD REAL BAD. Why don't you wake the fuck up to what life is all about and try and get along with each other. Now you redneck american fuckwits go and stand in that corner over there. Make up a little dance or something else useful. And DON'T touch the ragheads' oil. You've got your own toys. And you ragheads go and stand in that corner. And no don't stuff your thick woolly skulls back into the sand and expect fucking allah to solve all your problems. Why the fuck do you think he gave you a goddam brain for fucks sake? OK? Now get out of my sight all of you you're giving me a headache the size of your mother's cunt the day she discharged your brainless valueless mass onto this planet. Go on just fuck off. Twats
Posted by: Headmaster at July 16, 2005 12:17 AM (8qMst)
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Oi You Fuckers, you have nothing else good in your lives than criticise other peoples faiths do you!!!!!!!! you all american soilders can kiss our muslims butt's and go and suck your mamas pussies.... and the world allah in english is GOD,,,, WHICH MANY OF YOU BELIEVE IN YOU FUCKS!!!!!!!!!! AND SUCK MY DICK
Posted by: believer in god at August 12, 2005 08:55 AM (GWHm/)
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Oi You Fuckers, you have nothing else good in your lives than criticise other peoples faiths do you!!!!!!!! you all american soilders can kiss our muslims butt's and go and suck your mamas pussies.... and the word allah in english is GOD,,,, WHICH MANY OF YOU BELIEVE IN YOU FUCKS!!!!!!!!!! AND SUCK MY DICK
Posted by: believer in god at August 12, 2005 08:56 AM (GWHm/)
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why do we do the things we do to one anather? thats what we should be askinging one anather, why is the question? why do it for oil or other personal interests. god is god and we all believe in him in one way or anather so this is not some fucking religious war so please those of you who believe it is well hopefully god will dammed you, or he already has. so just shut the fuck up PLEASE!
i'm muslem and i'm not killing anyone and as for those muslems that are killing well the know thier place after death and thats in that tropical place we all love for bastereds/harramy's with there god that fucking bastered of all bastereds satas/shytan!
it's not the iraqies killings the international peace keepers(not just americans) remember that mutha fuckas its not just you its everyone there so do not think your the world cause your just rejects like all of us. remember where you came from before you think you think your all mighty and all that. its the world, people of the world that made the home of the free and the brave and all that shit. just a reminder. sorry i'm expressing all this anger, i'm american but that fucking marine wrote that MY COUNTRY AND MY ARMY AND MARINES WILL TEACH YOU,(WHOS BEEN TEACHING WHO SO FAR MUTHA FUCKA) ANSWER THAT???????????
THE IRAQIES WANT PEACE ITS THIER NEIGHBORS THAT WANT THIS WAR, MAYBE WE ARE DOING THIS THE WRONG AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE WHO OUR REAL EMENIES REALLY ARE PAKISTAN! SO BEFORE ANYONE SPEAKS HE SHOULD KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING AND RUSH INTO IT LIKE THE JOKE OF A PRESIDENT WE HAVE THAT FUCKING SMELLY DRIED UP BUSH. JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT OTHER PROBLEMS HE WILL CAUSE OUR GREAT COUNTRY AND OUR HOME THIS WORLD. DEATH TO THE STINKING BUSH AND HIS CURPT GOVERMENT. WE NEED A NEW ORDER AND BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD THAT AMERICA AMERICA OUR GREAT NATION( AND IT NOT YOUR COUNTRY YOU BRAIN DEAD MARINE ITS OURS
Posted by: aimal rahim at August 14, 2005 03:29 AM (yCt1c)
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Holy shitzky.
Posted by: Oyster at August 14, 2005 04:07 PM (YudAC)
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I would love to be able to read a concise intelligent argument on here instead of just being bombarded by insults and name calling over and over.
Most of you who commented here are guilty of generalizations and believing in stereotypes. Not all Muslims believe in violence. Not all Americans support the war. Not all Americans who do support the war are inbred rednecks.
Saying that you want to "encircle the city and kill everyone in it" is ludacrous. You're no better than the terrorists. Indiscriminate killing based on religion or nationality is the reason that we're ALL in this mess in the first place.
You wonder why the people of this world don't get along! Has anyone on here actually made an argument? Anyone? Try having an intelligent discussion instead of calling each other names.
The way some of you have been typing, I hope you're lying when you say you're American, because that would mean that English is your primary language and you can't even speak or spell properly. Some of you just can't be American, but if you really are, stop surfing the internet and calling people names like a 12 year old, and go try to read a book. If you're that ignorant, you shouldn't be speaking. At least use a spellchecker.
We can't pull out of Iraq now or the people of Iraq will suffer. Regardless of whether or not you believe in the reason for going in the first place, you have to admit that we need to finish the job.
For the record, majority of the insurgents are not Iraqi, they're Iranian, Syrian, and Saudi. Most of the Iraqi insurgents were killed, captured, or driven out long ago.
And to "Jake at December 26, 2004": Saying that our troops are "gang raping death squad militias" is an insult to every man and woman who has ever served in our military. You should be embarrassed that you're so ignorant as to make such a statement, and you should be thanking your lucky stars that men have served this country for over 200 years otherwise you wouldn't be here today screaming misspelled insults into a website.
For those of you who don't agree with this war, stop bad mouthing all of our troops. Don't let the homicidal comments (fucko at March 29, 2005) of a few change your perception of our servicemen. Most are strong and decent men.
On the same note, to our servicemen who post such things on websites like this( joel at December 6, 2004) , please stop. You're not helping yourselves at all; you're making the situation worse.
Everyone needs to just do some research and learn a little before jumping to the offense and screaming at people on a website. The American media is tilted one way or the other, so read and watch numerous media outlets. Talk to others, and try to learn on your own. Then maybe you can make an intelligent argument.
Posted by: Impatient Girl at August 14, 2005 06:53 PM (w+3Bs)
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Whew! Some pretty heated stuff.
Impatient Girl, I appreciat your call for civil discussion. You want a logical argument? Rewind a little:
After the repeated warnings to stop gaming the UN inspectors, the US(& help) went in and toppled Saddam while deliberately making sure virtually no damage to the infrastructure in Iraq.
The US wanted out of there ASAP, but the Baathists had to start bombings and retribution to prevent a Gov't from getting set up. And the Iraqi public let in the foreign killers, never helping to stop their "insurgency". This has just kept the Americans there longer. <
Posted by: Yoda at August 14, 2005 08:06 PM (ywZa8)
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I can't agree with the "all Muslims believe in violence" statement. You can't lump that many people under any one label. The last stat that I heard, the majority religion in the world was Islam. You can't tell me that all those people, are all terrorists or harboring a terrorist. I'm sure a hell of a lot of them are, but not the majority of them.
As far as their religion meaning terrorism and violence now, one could argue that about Christianity throughout history too. Remember the crusades and the involuntary conversion of people throughout the world? What about the extremist Christians that kill abortion doctors and blow up clinics? How would you feel if you were grouped in with those killers simply because you were Christian? Although there are Muslim neighborhoods all over the US and Britain, that does not mean that even if someone knows a terrorist, that they know that they're a terrorist.
Posted by: Impatient Girl at August 15, 2005 12:05 AM (w+3Bs)
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Oh, and as far as moderates not turning terrorists in, you have no way of knowing anything about that. There are Iraqis that turn insurgents in all the time. Talk to some troops, listen to their stories. You also have no way of knowing who tips off the authorites every day, or who works with them on a daily basis working to gather intelligence.
Posted by: Impatient Girl at August 15, 2005 12:20 AM (w+3Bs)
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Impatient Girl:
I believe the key to your statement is:
"Christianity throughout history too"
So I assume you believe we need to rewind to 1095 in order to be compared to Muslim terror in 2005? why not, I mean it's only 910 year difference, the thing about Islam is it's goals have not changed in 910 years, it's still pushing towards the Global Caliphate, with everyone converted to Islam, by force or otherwise.
Perhaps you'd be "impatient" living under a Islamic state like the Taliban state in Afghanistan, perhaps you'd be happy to be treated like a sack of meat under that Islamic regime eh?
can we begin to compare the instances of Christian attacks against the number of attacks performed by Muslim extremists since 1970 side by side? I mean it shouldn't be too different right?
How about the radicals that are in both the U.S / U.K why are they not expelled from mosques, or become leaders of empty mosques? I believe the quote about tolerance at the top of the the Jawa banner applies there.
Posted by: dave at August 15, 2005 09:41 AM (DO6vD)
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This still doesn't beat the Crips/Bloods thread from last December.
Posted by: Venom at August 15, 2005 10:33 AM (dbxVM)
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The point that I was making, was that what Yoda was saying about all Muslims, would be like saying the same thing about Christianity, to point out how ludicrous his generalization was.
I personally do not agree with Islam, or with their treatment of women. I never said nor implied that I did. I just think its ignorant to group so many people under one generalization.
It is truly ridiculous to think that every single one (or even a majority) of the 1.2 billion Muslims in this world is a terrorist, or a terrorist supporter or sympathizer. If they all were, we'd be in the middle of a much bigger, global war. The whole point was that they are Extremeists, as in "extreme point of view" aka "not mainstream".
Posted by: Impatient Girl at August 15, 2005 08:38 PM (w+3Bs)
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It isn't a generalization when the Quran preaches hate and calls for violence against Christians and Jews alike. I think the main point is that the religion has not been re-interpreted in modern times, and as such it is still a religion based on misogynic, xenophonic teachings, that ultimately preach violence as a method to cleanse "infidels" i.e You, and I.
So are these "moderate" Muslims reading the same book? because it's pretty clear what the "prophet" and his fever dream messages from "Allah" mean?
In order to enforce the idea of moderate Muslims, they need to tell CAIR to take their fake Fatwa's off the air and put proper Fatwa's against terrorism, and instead of listening to radicals preach in Mosque's turn them in.
It's very simple.
Posted by: dave at August 15, 2005 11:03 PM (DO6vD)
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Thanks for responding, Impatient Girl.
No, of course not every single Muslim believes in violence and terrorism. But the COMMUNITY has sanctioned this scourge which has done nothing but grow since the Acquili Laurel (sp?) murder of the old Jewish man in 197x?. (go watch Rudy Guliani's speech from the Republican Convention in 2004 if you need the history refresher). It's grown unrelenting and the Muslim COMMUNITY has done nothing but hide the killers and put forward bullsh__ claims that they're "peaceful". Nope. It's the results that count and if "they" didn't endorse it, they wouldn't have let the DEFINITION of their religion be murder and hate. If the Muslim faith wanted this stopped, it would have been stopped.
I'm glad that you see the Crusades for what they were: a 10th century version of exactly this play by "radical" Islam. The point is that Christianity DID learn from this, and has embedded the conviction that it's wrong, and a mistake (it's a mistake because it won't work -the terrorists will only cause the free world to rise up and shut down their cause).
I'm astonished at how so many "liberal" thinkers rationalize what these killers are doing. If I even SAID things about women that these guys do, you and Jane Fonda would settle for nothing short of my head on a stick. But since it's built into their value system to murder, maim, and deprive women, well 'that's their culture'. Go look up what happened to Vincent vanGogh's great grandson in Holland. He was butchered in public for making a film that criticizes the way Muslim women are treated.
So why is all of this taking place? I'll cut to the chase: The terrorists are an endorsed group of lead soldiers in a holy war that the Muslim world is choosing to start. It is part of the process that their religion specifies out as how to bring the worthy ones to heaven -to come back to the holy land (Saudi Arabia) as conquerers, and that killing ANYONE you have to to do it is REQUIRED. The only thing is, it won't work because the modern world messed things up: a country was formed that has discovered why the world is better when peace and diversity is savored, even if they occasionally have to crush some evil bastards who can only hate. This country (USA) has no intention of rolling over dead for them, and to make matters worse, MOST of the citizens aren't fooled by the dumb ploys meant to mask the killers' (OR their sponsors!) true objectives.
I'm not a zealot or super right wing freak. I'm just telling it like it is. The only real question is how many people have to die first before even the slower ones among us will say "enough".
If that is NOT what the Muslim world wants, and if they really DO want a world that lives together in peace -and makes accomplishments by refusing to destroy everything they see, is all they have to do is reign in their rabid cousins. Until then, they are complicit in what's being done.
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I also want to answer your question about Christian extremists that kill abortion doctors. Did you get the feeling that our society, and the Christian citizens in the US endorsed THESE murders? Did they hide them and protect them? Did they set up a bunch of stupid, doublespeak announcements that proclaim they're against them but then go enable more of that??
Same questions apply to how our society treats cross-burning and other crimes of hate.
If you don't think that our Gov't, and our citizens suppress that quickly and strongly then I won't be able to convince you of anything.
I think your raising of that particular issue is a great example to examine, and that it emphasizes my points excellently.
The USA clearly established long ago that even in a free country, freedom of speech doesn't extend to hate. And we ACTIVELY clip that stuff off whenever we see it. (And just like the Crusades point: yep, the US had it's own moments of shame (slavery), but clearly has learned from it and takes real action to PREVENT and stop it when extremists decide to act on their hate).
OBTW: even if we hadn't, and even if we're not "done", that wouldn't excuse what's been going on in the Muslim world for 30+ years now. So, as points of argument, these examples don't wash unless we're doing it now or failing to act on it.
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"one love....one heart lets get together and feeeeel alright" Robert Nesta Marley- r.i.p
Posted by: ian at August 16, 2005 05:26 PM (aIRUY)
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I would agree that a lot of Muslims are helping and endorsing. I remember all those assholes cheering on 9/11. I'm just sick and tired of all these people screaming "ALL".
As far as the writings of the koran, I'm sure a lot do believe in the holy war ideology, but I'm also sure that some dismiss it as "old school" as well. That's how I feel about the "obey your husband" parts of the Bible. I don't feel its necessary to go out an missionary around the world trying to convert others to Christianity, but I know that some do. I don't see why you think that every person who considers themselves Muslim, believes in the violence. I have heard stories of people being throw out of mosques and reported for their radical views. Sadly enough, more leave voluntarily and join together at other radical mosques that go unnoticed. Too bad we can't get a spy into every US and UK mosque...that would be nice.
Posted by: Impatient Girl at August 16, 2005 06:46 PM (w+3Bs)
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no need to be sneaky and have a spy, seeing as the uk and us are both christian countries we should treat mosques as churches and have them open to all who want to enter, that includes white woman. clerics should be vetted and require a license to preach their guest religion on christian ground. that goes for jews, sikh's, and anyone else to. maybe then there will be less mistrust of what goes on inside a mosque. if any immigrent has a problem with that they should go back where they came from to worship allah on his holy ground not the ground men have fought and died to keep democratic and christian. the muslims have turned up to the dinner party,pissed in the wine and are laughing watching us drink it. im an atheist by the way so no god will save me. im far from racist anyway its not a race issue its about tolerance and its wrong to let the most intolerent religion of them all have so much free space to indoctrinate people with hate for the country they live in. the illuminati could stop it all any time they like really but of course they also like to see citizens live in fear and begging for tighter security.
Posted by: ian at August 17, 2005 03:49 AM (aIRUY)
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god you yanks really do view yourseves as "team america world police" dont ya? lol. i think you should clean up your own country before trying to run the rest of the world......your not the only nation that hates to see the world spiral out of control, but your always the first to rush in. fair enough us British will always stand by you because we we feel more of an affinity with you than we do with the french or german cowards. i can just see why the rest of the world see you as being gung-ho and always spoiling for a fight. theres a real blood lust in hollywood and other media that is brain washing uncle sam into being a bloodthirsty little creep. dont you think your better than that sam? i do. you just forgot it....im not saying its different in britain because whatever happens in american society always filters through to the uk soon after. how many years were the states funding and training the i.r.a? now you see what its like to be on the recieving end of terrorism you change your tune quicksmart.....gee thanks!
Posted by: ian at August 17, 2005 04:17 AM (aIRUY)
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oh and as for palestine i say free it. Israel are the invaders there and any country that fires rubber bullets at kids throwing stones is low in my view. its only Jewish money and power in america thats kept the israelis there anyway. just as the c.i.a sold the afghani narcotics to fund the training and arming of the beasts that bit their hand. what america and the world needs is a u.s president who isnt a freaking mason and who doesnt worship satan. type "Bachelor Grove" into Google.
Posted by: i at August 17, 2005 04:38 AM (aIRUY)
Polish Hostage Teresa Borcz Khalifa Freed
Polish hostage Teresa Borcz Khalifa has been freed by her terrorist captors and returned to Poland. Teresa Borcz-Kalifa was taken hostage on October 28th by the Abu Bakr al-Siddiq Fundamentalist Brigades. The group had demanded the withdrawal of Polish troops from Iraq and the release of all female prisoners by the Coalition. Al Jazeera claimed that the terrorists made no death threat agains Mrs. Khalifa.
On a sad note, this means that the mutilated body of a woman found in Fallujah last week is most certainly that of Margaret Hassan. Keith Taylor thinks the same. Two days ago, the Prime Minister of Australia had announced the body was that of Mrs. Hassan, but later retracted the statement.
The Editor notes that Mrs. Khalifa may have a wee bit of Stockholm syndrome.
Others: Editor, Sortapundit James Joyner
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Oh thank God! Did they say why they released her? I don't understand how they could murder someone who was there for 30 yrs. taking care of their people,and let Teresa go? Not that I'm not glad, mind you,just trying to understand it all.
Posted by: Laura at November 20, 2004 06:46 PM (ptOpl)
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Laura, here is my take (being reproduced from the comments of my own blog with explicit permission from myself):
"I have a feeling this woman was released because of the reaction to the murder of HASSAN - Iraqis did not like that. The terrorists were holding these two to try and demand a release of 2 iraqi women prisoners the coalition are holding - Dr. Germ & Mrs. Anthrax. So they came to the conclusion nothing they would do would get them released. They killed Hassan, received a very negative reaction from Iraqis and decided they were not going to get a swap at all, so they wanted to unload the "Polish" woman. They would have killed her had in not been for the uproar in Iraq over the murder of Hassan. That uproar saved the Polish woman's life."
That is certainly not definitive, but I'm guessing it is close.
Posted by: Editor at November 20, 2004 09:07 PM (uurD1)
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Since when do these heartless bastards give a shit about what the Iraqi's think? After all, didn't they slaughter Iraqi soldiers, officers, civilians, etc.?
Posted by: Laura at November 21, 2004 01:31 PM (ptOpl)
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Laura,
If they didn't care about how the Iraqis felt why are they carrying out terrorist attacks? They are precisely intended to sway Iraqi public sentiment whether by fear or by sympathy(from Ba'ath sympathizers) (fear, of course, is the objective - fear from going to the polls in January). They have a clear desire to persuade the Iraqi public from desiring Democracy. One of their plans is to carry out all these attacks, hoping many will come to the false conclusion of, "If this is democracy, I don't want it." They clearly care what Iraqis feel and think.
Posted by: Editor at November 21, 2004 02:57 PM (uurD1)
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My guess is that they don't give a monkeys about Iraqi sentiment.
The group holding Hassan were apparently a criminal organisation. I am not sure if they were the same people holding Teresa Borcz Khalifa.
Personally, I suspect there was some kind of ransom involved and one government decided to pay it.
Posted by: Red Devil at November 21, 2004 05:38 PM (+vlk+)
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Exactly. These heartless bastards don't care about ANYthing.
Posted by: Laura at November 22, 2004 09:00 AM (ptOpl)
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I think she was set free because she lived there for 30 years and she new how to act and what to say so she was freed! THANK GOD!!
MUD(S.W.A.T)
Posted by: Mischa at November 30, 2004 11:54 PM (U7SE2)
The Muslim Double Standard In Iraq
UPDATE: The article has now been published in the Arab News, the official paper of Saudi Arabia. Jane has had her editorials published there before and its a good sign that the Kingdom is openning up--even if only a crack.
Our good friend Jane has this article posted at Iraq.net and at her blog. Here's a teaser:
All tactics of the insurgents are excused. Hide among civilians. Justified. Wear civilian clothes. Justified. Shoot from the holy mosque. Justified. Feign death to draw soldiers in (the way one marine died the day before the incident). Justified. Wave a white flag as a ploy. Justified. Booby trap dead bodies. Justified. ThatÂ’s just Fallujah.Moving outward- Deliberately killing Iraqi civilians daily. Justified. Bombing churches. Justified. Bombing cafes. Justified. Using schools as arsenals. Justified. Attacking the police. Just fine.
The rules of war donÂ’t apply to the insurgents, only the Americans. And if one horrible act occurs at the hands of one American soldier, the world howls. READ THE REST
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W. Bush is a war criminal as you who justifie the war kriminals doings in Iraq.
Good bless Muslims
Posted by: Adel at November 18, 2004 04:11 PM (Icixi)
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Er, if you're going to argue, might want to not prove the stereotype by saying something that stupid.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 04:14 PM (JQjhA)
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Typing more legibly may help too.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 05:59 PM (ptOpl)
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I think Adel missed the tone of the article.
Posted by: Jane at November 18, 2004 06:21 PM (ywZa8)
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Seriously, this is just why we need to stop f***ing around and start nuking them, beginning with the big black rock in the desert.
Posted by: Mr. K at November 18, 2004 06:57 PM (cRkpY)
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Yep, Mr. K.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 09:48 PM (ptOpl)
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ADEL proves my point. Talk about ignorant towelhead.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 10:08 AM (RspqC)
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I like Rottweiller's post on this.
Posted by: Mr. K at November 20, 2004 04:20 PM (gX1t1)
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Thanks for the linkie.
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what linkie?
Posted by: Mr. K at November 20, 2004 05:05 PM (xxqyx)
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A couple of things:
Arab News is not "the official paper of Saudi Arabia". It's one of a couple dozen privately owned papers and is sister paper to Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat, based in London. The paper's owners also own Al-Arabyia and Middle East Broadcasting Corporation (MBC) satellite TV stations.
There are no "official Saudi newspapers", in fact. The Saudi gov't owns and operates the Saudi Press Agency (SPA), a wire service, and also publishes a weekly official record of government actions (along the lines of Congressional Record or Hansard). It does own and operate three TV stations, a national radio network, and a religion-oriented satellite TV station, Iqra.
Posted by: John at November 20, 2004 09:39 PM (OmbAg)
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The Arab world has to have news people who'll slant the truth or report the news affecting them in a way that would appear to make what their "Warriors" do as correct and heroic.
And that's pretty hard to do because in the History of the World, the "Arab Warrior" has never been "Heroic". Stupid, maybe . . or at his best, a Terrorist, because they never fought in any conventional way, always killing women, children, whoever. And when forced to fight in conventional methods, has always been defeated, unless the Arab Army outnumbered the enemy by tremendous numbers.
Read your history . . it'll show you why there's a double standard in the war we're fighting currently. We are dealing with one of the most cowardly ethnic groups in the world, and as luck would have it, they have embraced one of the most regressive beliefs in history, so probably the only way peace can become a reality in our world is to turn all of them into targets!
Posted by: large at November 21, 2004 10:37 AM (VRK2g)
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Remember Rambo III? They sent him to Iraq in that one. Little did the producers know then, that the fictional script would become reality 20 yrs. later.
I just watched it last night on TV, and it's too bad we didn't have a couple of dozen of Rambo types who could clear out a city in no time.
Posted by: Laura at November 21, 2004 01:33 PM (ptOpl)
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I thought in Rhambo 3 it was Afganistan...?
Posted by: Mr. K at November 21, 2004 02:42 PM (kUrKj)
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Oh shit, my ad, you're right Mr. K....Afghanistan, Iraq, Mosul...all the same shittin' Mid East places though, right??
Posted by: Laura at November 21, 2004 04:14 PM (ptOpl)
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Oh shit, my bad, you're right Mr. K....Afghanistan, Iraq, Mosul...all the same shittin' Mid East places though, right??
Posted by: Laura at November 21, 2004 04:14 PM (ptOpl)
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well, its all over there...Iraq, Iran, Afganistan...Rambo could have kicked all their asses. What's in a name?
Posted by: Mr. K at November 21, 2004 04:22 PM (dz40z)
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hehehe! I know, right?
Posted by: Laura at November 21, 2004 04:36 PM (ptOpl)
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Date: 24 Feb. 05
To the respected editor,
Will you please give your valuable time to go through this e-mail request message so that all the people of Nepal will be very Grateful to you. You yourself have great wisdom to acknowledge that how peacefully and happily we, the people of Nepal are surviving here in Nepal. With great emotion all the people of Nepal are praying and begging to the Almighty God that Nepalese people will not suffer as Cambodian people suffered in late seventies and Nepal will not face the fate of second Cambodia. As Nepal was exposed to the outside world in 1950 decade we are always reputedly recognized and known as a backward, mass illiterate, severely poverty stricken, and severely isolated and a small mountainous kingdom in the world. In true sense Nepalese people are always suffering from mass illiteracy, severe poverty, severe ignorance, backwardness and isolation. Because of this entire sad situation we always remain at the bottom among the least developed countries of the world. Despite of our above mentioned horrible difficult situations and poverties, unfortunately since about one decade we are facing unbearable civil war in the name of politico-philosophical experiment as a guerilla war- fare training ground in the isolated and difficult geographical structure like sloppy and steep terrain of the remote hills and high mountains of Nepal, similar to remote forest covered, sloppy difficult terrain of high hills and mountainous regions of Peru was used and is being used in Latin America since 1980 decade to 1990decade and to some extant till today. Because of all these unfortunate happening we are continuously destroying the basic infrastructures like roads, bridges, schools; irrigation facilities, communication facilities, locally constructed rural electrification facilities and all the other human society needed essential facilities, constructed and supported since many decades by all the friendly countries of Nepal all over the world . By this unfortunate and unwanted happening we the people of Nepal are becoming poorer, more backward, isolated day by day. Not only this in this period we have already lost thousands of precious mostly young human lives without any mission. We are also highly worried about the continuous disturbance of education of young children due to the frequent closedown of schools, not peaceful, hopeless and spoiled environment in the country.
Obediently
Dr. Kalyan Basnet
Hetauda Hospital
And
All the people of Nepal
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November 19, 2004
Former Dallas City Engineer Linked to Hamas
Chad Evans has the goods on former Dallas City Engineer and Hamas fundraiser Mufid Abdulqader. From CBS 11 News:
this professionally accomplished, highly affable public servant by day, was on weekends singing the praises of the terrorist organization Hamas, encouraging martyrs to kill Jews and glorifying violent Jihad.I'd suggest a more productive moonlighting gig. Maybe a bouncer at one of those upscale Dallas titty bars. They're always looking for closeted homosexuals who don't mind kicking the snot out of drunk accountants who get a little too feely.
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Holy Shit! Don't look good these days where I currently live, now, does it? First the SUV linked to TX plates and now this dude from Dallas?
See? I TOLD you all that these bastids live among us. Why did we let them in after Carter's reign??
Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 05:03 PM (ptOpl)
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Whoa--is the Dallas titty bar thing a reference I'm not getting, or did you just veer off into Goldstein territory? Cause if you did, it was funny.
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 19, 2004 05:13 PM (lfeVv)
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Wait a second, wait a second....hold the phone...you mean, CBS has a news story you suddenly believe? Get the fuck out!
Posted by: Venom at November 19, 2004 05:49 PM (dbxVM)
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Now wait just one second there!
I just happen to be a closet homo who kicks the shit out of wormy little accountant types.
Posted by: Dick at November 19, 2004 06:13 PM (hu9UN)
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Never tried the Dallas titty bars. But HOOTERS, in Mesquite, Tx. will knock your eyes out. They have to be the best in the west. And I don't mean the chicken wings.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 06:44 PM (ydtpC)
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Did you see me there, Rooster???
;-)
Posted by: Laura at November 20, 2004 06:52 PM (ptOpl)
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Grey Rooster, You live there around Mesquite?
Posted by: Dick at November 22, 2004 08:55 AM (hu9UN)
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Naw, Just travel a lot to Dallas area.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 05:35 PM (BFaxF)
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But, I do like the area. I live near New Orleans and Dallas is my overnight stop on way to Colorado Springs. The family goes to bed and I go to Hooter's in Mesquite. Love it. I wonder if ISLAMOFACISTS allow Hooter's?
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I have this thing that looks like a terrorist attack that I was asked to roleplay. I ended up across the street from scottrade brokerage where you can short trade for a small amount of cash. I now being harrased to not use the brokerage account (I would guess to keep the short option off any wiretap). I am getting harrased through the walls and they have tied themselves to dallas but I have no idea realy what is going on... I am south of you in corpus christi. my website is http://www.dexrow.com and you can get a webshot of the date it was submitted to the engines is available in my music software terrorist bass.
I am not sure they are hamas but you could probily make alot of money for a terrorist group that way
Posted by: eric dexter at November 23, 2004 08:08 PM (1TpUv)
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SAY WHAT?
Posted by: er at November 23, 2004 08:51 PM (RluOl)
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Dallas city engineer a traitor. Hmmm.
Hey any of you Californians ever check out the City of San Jose? Just a thought, just a thought.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 24, 2004 08:41 PM (XioYD)
Jawa Roundup on the Religon of Peas
As I said earlier, very little time to blog today. Here's a few interesting tidbits you might find interesting.
Zarqawi beheads two Iraqis in Mosul in front of crowd. New tactic to terrorize population. Hey, it works in Saudi Arabia. Perhaps this is what he meant when he claimed a few days ago that the jihadis were in total control of Mosul? Digger and Alan Brain on the case. Maybe more later.
Jakarta Post: Only 59 percent of Indonesian Muslims "disagree with the (Bali and Marriott hotel bombings)" and 16 percent "support" the killing of innocent people in the name of Islam. The survey was based on 1,200 interviews in 32 provinces with a 3 percent margin of error.
Who really killed Margaret Hassan? Mossad, CIA, anybody--but not Muslims!!
Aaron:Where are the fatwas against Muslims who fight out of uniform, contrary to the Geneva accords?
Where are the fatwas against Muslims who use schools for military headquarters?
Where are the fatwas against Muslims who use hospitals for sniper lookouts?
Where are the fatwas against Muslims who use ambulances not to carry the wounded but to shuttle weaponry?
Where are the fatwas against Muslims who use womenÂ’s burkas to smuggle weaponry?
Indeed!
Yasser Arafat, still dead meat.
About those 'freedom fighters' in Fallujah who were just like, you know, George Washington and stuff (via Bill)
Did I mention a majority of the threats I receive are from Muslims in Europe and that of those the majority are from Scandinavia? You think maybe this might help explain that (via Robert): Dr. Zahid Mukhtar, spokesperson for Islamic Council in Norway, stated that he sympathize with reason why the Dutch film director Theo van Gogh was murdered.
But perhaps the Dutch are getting fed up (via James): Opinion polls show an overwhelming majority of citizens favor a crackdown on Muslim extremists, who are estimated to number as many as 50,000 in the country. "It was a great shock. A wake-up call," said Theo Kwakman, a construction foreman restoring an ancient building along the old Warmoesstraat. "I'm afraid that there will be more Muslims here soon than Christians. "I don't worry about the atheists. They won't do anything. [Muslims] are not all bad. But ... I'm afraid someday one of the tunnels [into Amsterdam] will be blown up."
I noticed this story a few days ago, but McQ does a great job of explaining why the Germans have every right to be afraid of the growing Muslim population there. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I reported that Zarqawi's Fallujah headquarters had been found two days ago in this post and this one. What I didn't know was that there was an al Qaeda sign outside. More evidence South Park is real.
Dead Iraqi killed in Fallujah mosque interviewed by Oprah. Hillarity ensues.
Iran agrees to stop refining weapons grade nuclear material (oh, but only after they have enough of it to matter).
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This is what scares me about Zarqawi. While everyone is saying that the assault on Fallujah's a success because we got the insurgents, now they have run off to another city!
What are we gonna do, go to the next city and the next, on a wild goose chase for the rest of the terrorists, and Zarqawi as well?
When do we stop?
Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 01:35 PM (ptOpl)
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Yes...
That's why the Prez correctly noted this will be LONG war back in 2001 and has stuck by that assessment.
Posted by: Editor at November 19, 2004 01:54 PM (adpJH)
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Question to Editor: How do we all know what's the real truth.The problem is that we do not have any credible witness(Unbiased truthful) to anything.All based on assumptions(That's the real horror).Are we being tricked or being forced to believe just b'cause our faith and trust in the so called "news media" is high beyond our doubts???
Just like How Laura has raised questions:
The questions should have been asked long time back. Had they had given some thoughts and planning prior to the war,would any1 would have asked any??? Yeah it's a repeated stale old question but it's just like a swing however far you push it just comes back!!!
Posted by: Roopesh at November 19, 2004 02:18 PM (1K6Wj)
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Roopesh,
How do we know there are not 25 parallel universes where what you want to be truth is truth in 8 of them? How do we know that red shift in those universes are not blue shifts in this universe and how do we know what a black hole might "look" like if we've never really seen one, you know, because they trap light and stuff? And how do we know that all that light being sucked up isn't just Satan taking a toke, sucking everything right into hell, a.k.a Gaza. How do we know that Michael Moore is not a universe all to himself - he certainly seems to be expanding at a rapid rate, and my guess is most of his body parts are moving AWAY from each other, except for intenal organs which I'm sure are being shoved at a rapid pace towards the black hole inside him that is his heart.
I don't know what planet you're living on, but here on planet BLOG very few people have "faith and trust in the so called 'news media'". That's why we frequent and participate in the blogosphere which, in my estimation, is about as close to fulfilling the promise of Bill Numero Uno as has every been.
Lesson for Roopesh: If you ask a stoopid rhetorical question that you have either decided what the answer is or decided there is no answer expect to get a really stooooopid theoretical answer.
For me personally, the only truth I KNOW for certain is: John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
Posted by: Editor at November 19, 2004 03:18 PM (adpJH)
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Totally OT but somebody translated by blog into FRENCH! including the blogroll. In Paris, you'd be "Mon Animal de compagnie Jawa."
Posted by: Jane at November 19, 2004 03:56 PM (6krEN)
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"I don't know what planet you're living on, but here on planet BLOG very few people have "faith and trust in the so called 'news media'"."
Funny, Arabs have the same attitude towards MSM as you. Many of them seem to think the MSM is controlled by Jews.
It's sick how ultra right-wing conservatives (including more than a few bloggers) and nationalist Arabs view the world in a similar fashion, but with wildly different vantage points. The MSM must be objective if they're ridiculed by such extreme elements!
Posted by: Venom at November 19, 2004 04:04 PM (dbxVM)
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Funny, Arabs have the same attitude towards MSM as you. Many of them seem to think the MSM is controlled by Jews.
That's funny. I don't remember saying Jews controlled the MSM. My attitude towards the MSM has been molded by the likes of Dan Blath.
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Thanks Editor for jumping in there. Is it just me, or did something irritate you just a little?
What Roopesh asks is an epistemology question. Definitely no time to answer that.
What Venom does by putting the MSM in the middle is equivocate bias to conspiritorial lunacy. Very odd indeed.
Jane, cool.
Posted by: Rusty at November 19, 2004 04:21 PM (JQjhA)
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Yeah, I know he was trying to be philosophical, but there is an implied rhetoric that goes along with it since he was actually trying to make an argument with said philosophy rather than attempt to actually answer it. My point of using physical science sarcastically is that when it comes down to it a lot of what is theory in science can also be considered philosophy by nature... imho.
As far as an irritation, I've been iritated for a few days, ever since the EVIL JOOOOOOS (that sarcasm is a gift especially for Venom) in the MSM have done their best to demonize a Marine who is putting his ass on the line in a foreign country so that the fight is there and not here. Yeah, that shit really irritates me.
Plus, I can't stand philosophicals. Philosophy to me is like communicating with a girl: Going in circles. I don't mind thinking about it, but actually discussing philosophy with people who think they are philosophical but are simply "undecided" is a real burden. I'm sure most of those "undecided" voters were at one point philosophy majors.
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"That's funny. I don't remember saying Jews controlled the MSM. My attitude towards the MSM has been molded by the likes of Dan Blath."
Indeed, that is funny. I never said that it was YOU who said the Jews controlled the MSM. I said: "Many (Arabs) of them seem to think the MSM is controlled by Jews." It was an attempt to show that completely different people on completely different sides of the global spectrum view MSM as being inherently bias, and not in their respective favors. I then posited that the MSM ought to be objective if people on opposite sides of each other are irrevocably distrustful of said MSM. As such, it would appear my attempt failed. I guess you only read what you want to read, huh?
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Tks Jane for the time to not answer ( no question was asked though)
Lesson learnt from the editor - doesn't know where HELL is!!!( on the lighter vein )
Quote:"but here on planet BLOG very few people have "faith and trust in the so called 'news media'". but you have full faith on any media which tries to point out the negatives of the relegion of Muslim.Point to discuss
Posted by: Roopesh at November 19, 2004 06:02 PM (PVMSi)
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but you have full faith on any media which tries to point out the negatives of the relegion of Muslim.
What is it with people putting words in my mouth, today?
Venom:
What you said was that I have the same attitude towards the MSM as Arabs do. The attitude you said the Arabs have is that Jews control the MSM and that is why they view the MSM as inherently biased.
I don't have that attitude. I have no idea why the media is inherently biased (except that those who work in it simply hire and promote others with the same worldview and that most journalist get into the business to "change the world"). The reason I have the attitude I do towards the MSM is because they are CLEARLY biased as demonstrated by their deeds and words - not by who controls them.
For you to conclude that because people on completely opposite side of the reality-based spectrum both view the MSM as biased is proof of their objectivity is beyond laughable - in fact, it almost forces one to presume you are employed in/by the old media.
Of course, your definition of objectivity is probably different than mine. Objectivity does not mean you forfeit the reality of absolute truth and moral superiority.
No, I read what you wrote.
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QUOTE: I'm afraid that there will be more Muslims here soon than Christians. "I don't worry about the atheists. They won't do anything."...
Damn right Atheists won't do anything bad.
Answer to half of the world's ills... convert to Atheism today.
Posted by: Red Devil at November 19, 2004 06:59 PM (4vO2O)
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Btw Editor... you quote the bible yet you say you can't stand "philosophicals" (whatever they are).
Thing is. The Bible is a Philosophy and your own views are a philosophy.
Everyone is a "philosophical" (if I understand your word correctly). Even a child.
Everyone has a philosophy by which they lead their lives, whether they realise it or not.
If you were merely having a dig because someone delved further into philosophy and brought in a branch of philosophy, i.e. epistemology (i.e. the nuts and bolts of what we know and how we know it) then you are showing your ignorance.
If you profess to KNOW something as a fact of reality, surely you must ask yourself HOW you know it?
That's not being a "philosophical", that's just being a human.
Posted by: Red Devil at November 19, 2004 07:14 PM (4vO2O)
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That's not being a "philosophical", that's just being a human.
It's just getting to be Friday evening here and I have EPISODE VI to watch, a girlfriend itchin' to start it, and a very consistantly good Grenache/Shiraz to open, so I'm going to give the short answer, because you deserve an explanation.
1) I agree with you the basic premise of epistemology is "just being human". What I find annoying (or "have a dig" about) is a necessity to bring it into a discussion concerning the MSM and to philosophize about media sources. I've got better things to do and I hope anyone who considers themselves a philosopher does too, but I fear many don't.
2) Considering the Bible "philosophy" is your philosophy. You will not catch me considering the Bible philosophy or Christ a philosopher. In fact here is what the Bible says about philosophy: Colossians 2:8 (Paul's letter to the Colossians)
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
There is nowhere in the Gospels where you will find Christ calling himself a philosopher. On the contrary, in the verse quoted early in the thread he says, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life..." That's beyond philosophy.
3) My definition of a philosophical is this:
The person whom you are having a philosophical, theoretical, theological, economical, political, etc., conversation with and predictibly says to you: "It's just not that simple." There are other synonyms for what I would consider a "philosophical".
Posted by: Editor at November 19, 2004 08:23 PM (uurD1)
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Screw Allah, Osama bin Laden and Zarquawi. I wish them death by buggery by well-hung Hepatitis bearing bodybuilders.
Let them move to another city, we will kick their asses in a different venue. US 26,000, Them ZERO. Still the undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion of freedom.
I think some genocide of these assholes is in order. I think it is only fair.
Posted by: David at November 19, 2004 10:00 PM (xfI1/)
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GET OFF THE RELIGLIOUS THING: There is only one truth. ISLAM SUCKS.
The others may suck a little. But Islam sucks big time.
LAURA: Yes some went to Mosul. But 1300 didn't. Also tons and tons of munitions. At Mosul we will get some more. Not as many because there aren't as many.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 07:02 PM (ydtpC)
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It's a shame that so many people don't realise the importance of this war.
It is not a war about Oil, or Human Rights.
(Well, it might be from the Politician's view... the Oil that is).
But it is striking a greater stroke into the heart of Religious zealotry.
Whilst I support President Bush, my one big misgiving about him is that he is a Christian Fanatic (whilst Zarqawi et al are Muslim Fanatics).
Sure, I would rather live in a world governed by Christians than Muslims but that isn't the point.
I would much rather be in a world Governed by Atheists.
Atheists would allow you to believe in whatever claptrap you wish to believe in but just don't make anybody else suffer because of it and don't go starting any "Crusades".
To quote Editor:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life..."
If Jesus can say it, why not me?
And never in a million years will you convince me that the preachings of the bible, the koran or any other holy book are not philosophies on life (man-made philosophies at that) and the way it should be lived.
Posted by: Red Devil at November 21, 2004 05:25 PM (+vlk+)
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Editor:
I know that you don't think the Jews control the MSM; I was just illustrating that no one seems to think the MSM is objective, despite how far right or left the person views from. Simply, MSM has to sit somewhere in the middle, if both sides think the it is inherently biased against what they (the people) believe in.
Besides, this whole debate assumes that any of us can rationally identify what's objective. Anything any of us don't agree with will automatically get labelled biased by someone. You think the MSM is biased because what they show doesn't conform to your value system. Maybe it conforms to someone else's and that person considers it objective. Why are they wrong and you're right?
And no, I don't work for any form of media whatsoever.
Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2004 11:57 AM (dbxVM)
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Red Devil, Venom,
I'd be happy to continue both these conversations over at my place, instead of taking up Rusty's comment section. Let me know if it something you would like and I'll open up a post dedicated to both your issues. Just to clarify this statement:
You think the MSM is biased because what they show doesn't conform to your value system.
That's true. Purposefully highlighting forged military documents in order to discredit the President does not conform to my values. I hope it doesn't conform to yours, either.
Posted by: Editor at November 22, 2004 12:25 PM (adpJH)
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"Purposefully highlighting forged military documents in order to discredit the President does not conform to my values. I hope it doesn't conform to yours, either."
You're twisting things around a little. Had CBS KNOWN that the documents were forged, I doubt that they would have run the story at all - after all, why shoot yourself in the head when someone hands you a loaded gun? Basically, I'm pretty sure they thought they had an important story and unfortunately didn't do their due diligence on the material. I think the conclusion you're trying to draw is that they did it willfully and maliciously - something you can only speculate on, and, again, would be pretty stupid of them to try. The fact the documents were forged (as you call them) can only make one wonder where they came from. I doubt a Democrat would do that to their presidential hopeful, so that only points to one other camp. Where's your admonishing of the person who created and provided the documents, no doubt done in an effort to sway the MSM (something I'm sure you'd be against)?
"I'd be happy to continue both these conversations over at my place"
Whatever...one right-wing blog is as functional as another. Besides, these threads are for discussion.
Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2004 02:52 PM (dbxVM)
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Nevermind, Venom.
Red Devil, the offer is still on the table for you.
Posted by: Editor at November 22, 2004 03:15 PM (adpJH)
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I choose to blog here because Rusty is more in line with my own thinking on the war.
Why would I want to help promote your blog with my arguments when you don't agree with me?
Sure, it might make you look better when your readers attack me because they think the same way as you.
My arguments stand wherever I post them.
Religion is a pile of crap.
God doesn't exist (what kind of prankster would give man five senses by which to guide him through life and then make himself undetectable by any of them?).
The difference between a religious person and an atheist is one believes God made Man, and the other believes Man made god.
This war is being fought (unfortunately) by a man who believes in one god against a bunch of guys who believe in another and it's a fight to the bitter end now.
I only hold my head in my hands because this could all be avoided if both parties could agree that, actually, neither exists.
By your promotion of the Christian faith, you are needlessly adding fuel to the situation.
Thanks for the invitation to feed myself to the lions but I'll sow my seeds on here if it's all the same.
You're perfectly welcome to come along and pick the holes in my arguments however. This is the only blog I post on.
Posted by: Red Devil at November 22, 2004 06:48 PM (+vlk+)
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Lets see the child murdering muslims of chechnya are considered freedom fighters wanting independence.
Then why the fuck do Muslims think that's not what the Iraqis want.
bus bombing child killing plane crashing train bombing dog fuckers..I'm sure God(Allah) wants it that way?
Posted by: the heaven at January 12, 2005 02:38 PM (2pocP)
Much Work at Tatooine U
Despite the rumors of the fabulous riches I'm getting for maintaing this site, I actually have a full-time job to hold down. Two tests to give today, three tests sitting on the desk still ungraded. Mucho work. Little bloggage today.
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More on Fallujahgate and jus in bello
Ace has an excellent essay on the limits of moral action in war. Without even trying, Ace has put forth one of the deepest insights into why the MSM and left are so up in arms over one incident in a Fallujah mosque. Here's the money quote:
We have a huge disagreement in this country about what is and what is not acceptable in this war. Part of this is all just a proxy fight for the leftists' insistence that war itself is unacceptable under any circumstances; having lost that debate decisively, they attempt to engage in guerilla-rhetorical tactics, simply sniping at each and every event that unfolds, in hopes that the accumulation of the little wounds they inflict will ultimately win the war they really care about-- the war on war itself. [Go read the rest!! ]Jus ad bellum is just war theory that explores when it is moral for to begin or engage in a war. For instance, juss ad bellum theorists generally agree that it's not ok to go to war with another country just because you want its oil. On the other hand it is generally agreed in classic just war theory that its ok to go to war with a neighboring country if the government there harbors outlaws (see Grotius).
Jus in bello explores what is acceptable behavior in a war. For instance, jus in bello theorists generally agree that shooting a woman in the back of the head is not moral action. On the other hand its generally agreed that killing a guy with an RPG pointed at your convoy is ok.
What the modern left has been arguing since the end of WWI is that no war is justified. Thus the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928 renounced forever the use of war as an instrument of national policy and the League of Nations was dreamt up as a way for nations to settle their differences peacefully. The UN would later replace the failed League of Nations as a way to end war, but with the proviso that war would be just only when the collective will of the great powers agreed.
WWI and WWII affected the mindset of Europeans in a much different way than it affected Americans. To modern Europeans, Hitler was bad because he had started the war. The war was only just because jus ad bellum had been violated. WWII then was just like any other defensive war, the only type of war the Europeans would ever see as just.
Americans may have had the same initial reaction to why the war was justified, but in hindsight we view Hitler's unjustness very differently. Sure Hitler's aggression made the war just, but there was something different about WWII. It was more just. Why was it more just? It is to jus in bello that we, unconsciencly I admit, rationalize WWII's war. WWII was the good war because of what Nazism did in the war. WWII was the good war not because Hitler or Japan started it. WWII was the good war because of what the Nazis and the Japanese did in the war. It was just because of what the Japanese did in Nanking. It was just because of what the Nazis did in the holocaust.
The average American leftist has more in common with a German because he believes the same thing. War is never justified accept in literal self defense. WWII was just only because it ended war in Europe. With war now over as a fact of life in Europe, the leftists believe that the conditions under which war is justified are so rare that no war could ever really meet their standard for jus ad bellum. All war is now immoral.
The average American, on the other hand is much more willing to accept war's justice if it can end the abuses of a foreign regime. The average American sees the liberating power of war. The average American believes that WWII was good because it liberated Europe from Nazism. The average American believes that WWII was good because it liberated Japan from fascist Imperialism. As long as fascism and its fellowtravellers are alive and well in the world, war will be justified. The average American rejects the notion that all war is immoral. War is moral when it liberates.
This is the basic philosophical difference between America and Europe, and between left and right, over issues of war and peace. The left could care less about the incident in Fallujah. What they care about is ending the war. The incident was just another piece of propaganda for them to use. The war, by definition, was unjust.
Just a few thoughts spawned by Ace. That's all.
(Cross posted at Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)
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I think that Christopher Cross is right on this, and we should sort of let this story die as it rightfully should -- ie, let's stop talking about a non-story.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 18, 2004 10:59 PM (EPrME)
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Excellent post, Rusty.
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at November 18, 2004 11:37 PM (uNzPn)
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An email from a Marine that is "there". Exactly what you have been saying. However, I haven't heard any explanation re the NBC tape getting into Arab hands?
M. Lachow CWO USMC Rtd
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:34 AM
Subject: Incident in Iraq
FYI, helps to understand the environment.
John
I got this from a friend on base, it's worth reading.
Good Morning Everybody.
The following is an email from my son regarding the NBC report (with embedded reporter Kevin Sites), concerning the Marine who is being investigated for "murdering" the insurgent in Fallaja. I will be sending his mail to every news program's email I can find. I find it sickening that this Kevin Sites is even allowed to be embedded with our Marines, as this isn't the first report I've heard from him that took on a decidely unfriendly tone. My son also gave me permission to release it to anyone that wants to pass it on, as long as it remains unedited.
-- Darlene
PMM LCPL Gus
TS DET
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:27:55 -0800 (PST)
From: old tymer
Subject: The stories you don't hear...
This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does.
This is just one most don't hear:
A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with Ak-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives.
The Marines' remains are gathered by teary eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.
This is the story everyone hears:
A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insugent can be heard saying, "Mister,mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded.Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.
The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!" The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead.
Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for commiting a war crime. Unlawful killing.
And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, i too would have done the same.
For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.
For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.
I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the US military, or any other.
Sincerely,
LCPL Schmidt
USMC
Posted by: expat at November 19, 2004 07:42 AM (2+AnM)
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During World War II, George Orwell said of England's pacifists: "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."
Objectively the American left is pro-Islamofacist.
Stephen
Posted by: Stephen at November 19, 2004 08:42 AM (HLSzw)
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RUSTY: Great article. Wish I had your abilities to put feeling/facts in writing. Not having that ability I will continue slugging away in the trenches. It's a Marine thing.
However: I believe you left out one important major issue. It's called fanatical Islam. That is the biggest problem facing not only the US but the world.
As I listen to the no war at all costs, the US is to blame for everything dundeerheads, I cannot understand why they cannot see the simplicity of the writing on the wall.
As EURARABIA takes shape they continue to hold their heads in the sand. They appear to be blind to Muslim Cleric's screaming death to non muslims. They don't see riots in their streets. Only protests against Blair & Bush. They don't see the disruption of their economies muslim immigration has caused. Leftists are blind little dogs to dumb to see their our destruction. Soon EURABABIA will be fact unless Old Europe wakes up.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 09:00 AM (RspqC)
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CWO LACKOW ret: The tape could have been easily copied from one of our own broadcasts. The biggest story at all costs. If that tape was on the other foot a fatwa would have been issued. Let us remember the name Kevin Sites.
SEMPER FI
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 09:06 AM (RspqC)
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DARLENE: Bless you and your son. Mine is over there to. One thing that bothers me. As soon as some criticism against embedding these reporters started a Marine Corps general immediately came out with speeches pro embedded reporter. Guess he forgot about Mr. Rivera and others putting their so called news broadcasts before the safety of our Marines.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 09:13 AM (RspqC)
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LCPL SCHMIDT: Other way around. You keep use alive. Forget the do nothings, fight the good fight. SEMPER FI
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 09:24 AM (RspqC)
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Dr. Shackleford,
Interesting piece but some of your thoughts don't really hold up upon examination.
First, this idea that the "left" opposes all wars unless direct self-defense is a vast generalization that quickly becomes simply a false statement. There are pacifists who probably consider themselves on the left who might fit this statement. There are many liberals who many would consider on the left who support military intervention in situations like Kosova, Rwanda, etc. There are just as many on the "right" who would normally support the view that the U.S. should not intervene overseas unless its own security or interests are directly threatened. See Pat Buchanan and GW Bush before 9/11.
Finally, the idea that most normal Americans support intervention to end the abuses of a foreign regime is bogus. Most Americans support in retrospect whatever its government or its army does. They feel that this is patriotism. I disagree. So, since Bush invaded Iraq, most Americans support it. Since Bush did not invade North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, etc. etc. etc. most Americans believe it is right not to invade the tens of countries on Earth where there are abuses by a foreign regime and if you asked them would they support an invasion of such country they would say no. It is just the effects media propaganda and the 'patriotic' desire to believe that whatever your government does must be right and to justify it after the fact. It has nothing to do with some well thought out philosophy of Just War or some desire to see liberation.
You will probably see this as a virulent attack on the American people. It really isn't meant as such. It is human nature to want to believe that your government is good and to want to see yourself and your loved ones as liberators. It is human nature to want to justify the fact that billions more suffer throughout the world and you do nothing to liberate them. It makes it easier to get through the day. It is even human nature to get on a blog and try to make this all seem noble. But it doesn't hold up to reality, as far as I can tell.
By the way, I have a family member there in Iraq now (a US Marine) and I am NOT a pacifist and I believe wars can be liberating but I believe strongly he and all the soldiers should be brought home now.
Posted by: Abu Noor al-Irlandee at November 19, 2004 11:12 AM (f+Ody)
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An interesting, thoughtful posting. When I was younger, I used to think a lot along the lines of a pacifist (thats hard to admit!). I even thought for a while that I was one, but then the world and it's reality caught up to me. Today, while I still think that it is too bad that man isn't kind and nice to one another, I know better. As long as we have animals on this planet who prefer murder over debate and coexistance, we will never as a planet live to see any sort of eutopia where violence against others doesn't exist. Terrorists don't care who you voted for, or what you believe in, or that they are innocent children. They don't care, and there is no reasoning with them. It is amazing that there are still people who think that they could engage these animals in conversation, and make them feel bad for the carnage they are responsible for. 30 years ago the statement "kill them all" would have appalled me, today when directed at these vermin it doesn't bother me in the least. Taking prisoners shouldn't be an option, hats off to the Marine who was caught on video the other day.
Posted by: Geoff at November 19, 2004 11:30 AM (6krEN)
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You've convinced a lot of your public but your article misunderstands what the 'left' as you call it think. Look at the the International Brigades fighting Hitler's practice ground in Spain, that's taking up arms against fascism abroad! I support just wars for liberation generally more than rightwingers who support a regime's ability to protect the wholesale economic r*pe of nations, Iraq is just not a just war. Lies were the basis for invasion, not Sadam's cruel regime, that's never a cause for US intervention, you just didn't want any power to be in your oil park who isn't subservient to you. I respect the way you support your Marines just as I wholeheartedly back our Black Watch and other squaddies, my brother was there, but it doesn't stop it being wrong. I know how I want our injured treated and we in the UK don't need to dehumanise an enemy to fight them, they're not Satan or even terrorists, if my country was treated as the US treats Iraq after deposing a despot I would be killing Marines too.
PS You censor the word "r*pe" with an A. What the f*ck is that about!
Posted by: Mark C at November 27, 2004 08:31 AM (6M7nL)
Army of Ansar al-Sunnah Threatens Elections
Yawn. Is there any one the Army of Ansar al-Sunnah doesn't threaten to kill? I mean, these are the guys that kill you for driving a truck. They also kill you if you're one of those 'moderate' followers of Muqtada al-Sadr. I don't even want to think about what they'd do if they found out you love bunnies.*
*Related joke of the day via Jeff G.: Three young Islamofascist terrorists—a Saudi, a Yemeni, and a Pakistani—walk into a bar. more...
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My god.... I was so ignorant to what was going on in the world. It wasn't until yesterday when I was attempting to look up facts about our progress in Iraq because I strongly support the Bush organization, but instead I came across O-g-r-i-s-h.com. I saw the beheading of a multitude of men, each begging for life. These animals cut your neck, leave you to breath your last breaths in pain I cant even imagine, and then saw your neck off with what seems to be a semi-large pocket knife. I then started to read some of the scriptures of Islam and in those scriptures there is so much hate. It makes me so angry that human beings can do this to others, and to animals.... Im stronly christian but I dont feel I can give forgiveness for these crimes... It makes me want to mutilate them my self, and I do not support the eye for an eye type of punishment, but I do think these people deserve to have the worst pain imaginable done to them. Right now I just want to like...stick them in an oven and bake them at 400 degrees..... GOD how can they do this!
Posted by: Luong Dinh at November 26, 2004 07:30 PM (xcbBc)
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Tawheed wal-Jihad Movement - Army of Ansar al-Sunnah - etc..
These cowards need to be stopped. I wish I were a bit younger! I'd re-up and go kill some of these bastards myself (sorry for the fowl language; but there's no other way to describe these bastard cowards). The only solace I enjoy is knowing that when these jerks blow themselves up - they're going straight to hell!!
Posted by: Bill at December 22, 2004 12:19 PM (298BA)
French Terrorists Killed In Iraq
The benefits of the Iraq war just keep pouring in. This is called killing two birds with one stone. They're French and they're terrorists. Does it get any better than that? Maybe this is what Jacques Chirac meant when he said the Iraq war was causing a rise in terrorism in the world. Yeah, more French terrorists. BBC (via LGF):
Three Frenchmen have died fighting with insurgents against US-led troops in Iraq, reports say....The men were identified as:Linked at OTB, because James Joyner is cool and needs to up that ecosystem thingy.24-year-old Tarek W, from Paris, killed on 17 September
19-year-old Redouane el-Hakim, killed on 17 July (my earlier report here)
Abdel Halim Badjoudj, 19, killed on 20 October.
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But those aren't Rusty's words...
Posted by: Editor at November 18, 2004 05:11 PM (adpJH)
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Editor has it right. It's the MSMs fault.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 05:25 PM (JQjhA)
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Dude, EVERYTHING is the MSM's fault.
"The old media made me do it." I like the ring of that.
Posted by: Editor at November 18, 2004 05:31 PM (adpJH)
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The French? Again? God, sometimes bloggers can be SO boring. So some country didn't agree with you. GET OVER IT.
Posted by: matt bing at November 18, 2004 06:11 PM (6M7nL)
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Dude, it's the French. What country were you raised in? Canada?
Posted by: Rusty at November 18, 2004 06:14 PM (JQjhA)
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Plus they, you know, like, did a little bit more than disagree. I hope you're not so ignorant to these facts that they need to be brought up, Mr. Bing.
Posted by: Editor at November 18, 2004 06:24 PM (adpJH)
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Who's this matt bing guy? He came by my site doing "drive-by"'s as well.
Posted by: Digger at November 18, 2004 07:28 PM (FYEx6)
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Bing's just your average pain in the ass, Digger.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 09:47 PM (ptOpl)
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Matt Bing, a man with a different opinion. BURN HIM!! A WITCH. HE'S A WITCH.
I just like some French people, that's all. They aren't all bad, believe it or not.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 19, 2004 04:02 AM (bR4ti)
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Witches don't taste good burnt... Now the French... they are good a little crisp.
Posted by: Kari Holtz at November 19, 2004 06:45 AM (r+tvq)
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I prefer my French deep fried.
Posted by: Dick at November 19, 2004 07:54 AM (hu9UN)
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Here froggy, froggy, froggy. Chirac, must be so proud of these killers that were fighting for the freedom of Franch.
MATT BING is a little dog, problably the same as the 3 so called French we caught up with. What's a matter Matt did the BIG DOG lift is leg and piss on some of your buddies? Time to go drink as much as we can. Lots more pissing to be done.
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Greyrooster, you seem to live in some kind of bubble. A mad, insane bubble where nothing on the outside seems real. Wierdo
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 20, 2004 03:53 AM (6M7nL)
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But I know what collaboration is. I know the harm you do.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 07:34 PM (ydtpC)
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Matt Bing, lucky there are still a few open minded people like you in the world!!!
I am french, and I do admit that there are a lot of arrogant pricks in my country, a lot of egocentric mofos. But to consider that we are all the same, you need to be seriously narrow, narrow narrow minded. What do you think greyrooster?
Seriously, take a break from living in your own world and have a look at the amount of nonsense you've been spitting!
Also, as citizen of a country, are we responsible for all the decisions and actions taken by our president? Don't think so!!!
Well if you start like this, let's talk about the GREAT George W.! I mean, do YOU want to be responsible for all his decisions, for all his stupid mistakes?
And thanks again Matt Bing for bringing back the real reason behind all that. GET OVER IT, it's not because Chirac isn't with you in that war which will only profit the US that you have to be pissed off with us for the rest of your life.
Have Fun... Rest in peace
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Federico the frog. Didn't we already expose you and your bullshit?
Chirac is a big mouthed shit and so are you.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 05:19 PM (BFaxF)
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Greyrooster, I'm afraid you'll never get it.
Dude, you are hopeless. I was hoping you might be showing a bit of your common sense here but you just keep on proving how dumb you are.
Posted by: federico at November 22, 2004 05:47 PM (dNXmc)
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FREDERICO the frog using MATT BING as an example of open mindedness. The frog is crying for more understanding because all frogs are not the same. To FREDERICO AND MATT BING you two assholes have been exactly what Frederico is crying about. No one has been worse at grouping than you two. Both Ding Bing and froggy have constantly used phrases against all Americans. Americans started this.Americans started that. Americans are morons. Americans are stupid. Americans are fat. Americans do everything wrong.
Talk about the pot calling kettle black. Check back and review your previous posts.
Both of you are nothing but low life cry babies. I knew your cowardness would come out sooner or later. Sissies hiding behind a keyboard. Don't mind assholes that fight for their beliefs. However, I piss on those that cry when they get back what they spew. So piss on both of you. A frog and rag head lover. The two lowest creations on earth.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 10:01 PM (BFaxF)
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Greyrooster, you've got a lot of hostility inside you dude.
I'll repeat it again: MATT BING is open minded to the idea that people are not necessarily the same just because they are from the same country and you are a narrow minded cunt! Period.
Dude, if you can't understand that basic principle, get a brain. You're just making yourself look more and more ridiculous every time you have a new post.
You've also made the assumption that we were cowards!!!??? What are you doing? Aren't typing on a keyboard just the way we do it? Perhaps not? I wish for nothing else than meeting you and trying to educate you a bit. Maybe trying to open your mind a bit but that seems like a pretty tough challenge. I'd love to see if you still use the same language once in front of me, and if you do, the sissy would show you how french people treat little pisses of dog shit like you. Burn in hell son of a bitch.
Posted by: federico at November 23, 2004 08:47 PM (dNXmc)
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GreySlut, I can picture you: the complete Nerd with glasses and pimples all over his ugly face. Who's got nothing better to do all day than posting crap about people he doesn't even know.
From now on he is not greyrooster nor greyslut, we'll call him the son of Senior Texas Chainsaw massacre.
Greyrooster, next week I'll be in Colombia, not very far from your country. Come around and we'll have some fun with the guerillas, see who's the coward. Come mierda hijo de puta. Translation for non-spanish speakers: "Eat my shit son of a bitch". God I hate this greynazi wannabe.
Posted by: federico at November 24, 2004 12:42 AM (dNXmc)
Note to Friends
Friends,
As you know I have always blogged anonymously. I originally began blogging anonymously as a way to safeguard my job and my professional reputation. On my blog I choose to let a side of myself out that I do not show my students or my colleagues. Also, I address some sensitive issues in a not so sensitive way. I knew some would take offense at the way I discuss a certain Religion of Peace, but never thought of the long-term consequences of it. In the beginning I expected no one would care about what I had to say. I was wrong.
As you know I have always blogged anonymously. I originally began blogging anonymously as a way to safeguard my job and my professional reputation. On my blog I choose to let a side of myself out that I do not show my students or my colleagues. Also, I address some sensitive issues in a not so sensitive way. I knew some would take offense at the way I discuss a certain Religion of Peace, but never thought of the long-term consequences of it. In the beginning I expected no one would care about what I had to say. I was wrong.
As a result of the broadening of the audience I have received a number of death threats to me and my family. Hence, the need for me to stay anonymous has transcended my original goal. It is now a safety issue. Up until now I have not taken any of these threats that seriously. For the most part I still think that I'm pretty low on the hit list for Islamic extremists so I'm not terribly worried. But I am a little worried. more...
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my lips are sealed even if they know nada.
cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at November 18, 2004 02:58 PM (D39Vm)
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The war of ideas really is part of the greater war.
Posted by: Jane at November 18, 2004 03:06 PM (ywZa8)
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Geez, it's not like you're Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh!! That is terrible! My heart jumped when I heard this. Almost thought you were going to totally shut down the whole website.
Keep the faith, Rust. It's only a blog, right? They can't "get you".
xo
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 03:10 PM (ptOpl)
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I hope you have alerted the local law enforcement people. The welfare queen that put out a call for Bush's assination a month ago was tracked down in two days. Obviously they wont put the same effort into your threats but they can tell you how to trace the threats and determine if it is the same people or different person each time.
Rod Stanton
Cerritos
Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 18, 2004 03:10 PM (a2hGw)
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I just finished recommending to some Jewish friends that they should arm themselves. I've been putting it off myself because of young children in the house, but soon the larger safety threat will overshadow that one.
If you haven't already gotten one, get a gun.
Find out the laws in your state. And make prominent mention of it on your blog. Scum who make those kinds of threats are cowards. Use it against them. .
I'll pray for your protection
Posted by: papijoe at November 18, 2004 03:11 PM (Z3abf)
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Rusty,
F*CK 'EM ALL!!!!!!!
You keep fighting the good fight. Our Marines and soldiers are doing their part to win the war on terror and so are you.
We WILL distroy these morons one day. Until that day we ALL need to do our part and this is yours.
Good work buddy!!!!!!!
John
Posted by: John at November 18, 2004 03:12 PM (PLZRQ)
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Death threats suck don't they?
Posted by: Chris Short at November 18, 2004 03:26 PM (fSJ3F)
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Don't know it, but if you need someone at your six, give a yell.
Posted by: Laughing Wolf at November 18, 2004 03:31 PM (LndZx)
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Thanks peeps. Again, I don't take the threats all that serious. As long as I'm anonymous nothing to worry about.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 03:51 PM (JQjhA)
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sorry about the news. love the sight. keep up th efight. it's great to be a f*cking american. god bless
Posted by: d martel at November 18, 2004 03:58 PM (5S3Uw)
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Right Rusty, how can they find you? Screw em.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 04:18 PM (ptOpl)
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You ever think they make the threat, so you run and report it to the police, so they can track you down via the report??? Fuck 'em.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at November 18, 2004 04:23 PM (0xMIM)
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Oh shit! I never thought of that. Good point, PK.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 04:31 PM (ptOpl)
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There are lots of places to report such things, Rusty. Lots of work going on on the internet to track THEM down. I've been under threat, being Jewish and all. Take care and do what you have to do.
Posted by: bj at November 18, 2004 04:34 PM (hYF9j)
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What is right is not generally accepted, nor what is generally accepted is correct.
Forge forward Rusty, 75% of the world population could only hope to have as healthy a political / social freedom argument's as found here.
The winner always is the person who stands strong and sturdy in the face of change, not cower before it ... Let Freedom Ring!
Salamander
Posted by: Salamander at November 18, 2004 04:42 PM (D4mP3)
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You're doing a great job Rusty, keep it up.
Posted by: Dale Gribble at November 18, 2004 05:55 PM (vX/LE)
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Sorry to hear you've been threatened. But keep doing what you're doing...it's always good work.
Posted by: Jeremy at November 18, 2004 06:02 PM (/U19w)
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I don't often agree with you but I care passionately that you are allowed to continue to voice your opinion without someone threatening to kill you. Keep blogging as the world needs these debates to stop one side from taking over the world without defence.
Oh, and hopefully the people who have threatened you are just mindless dicks from some shitty university with nothing better to do.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 18, 2004 06:08 PM (6M7nL)
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Most of the threats come out of Europe (one from Australia), but all seem to be from Muslims. Ironically enough, the last one came from the Netherlands.
Posted by: Rusty at November 18, 2004 06:17 PM (JQjhA)
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PS-which means I'm not terribly worried.
Posted by: Rusty at November 18, 2004 06:19 PM (JQjhA)
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Don't worry, Pete. Mum's the word on your secret identity as Spider Man.
Posted by: ccwbass at November 18, 2004 06:44 PM (ezi5f)
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I respect that Rusty, all joking aside.
Posted by: Gordon at November 18, 2004 06:46 PM (dEFhD)
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Are you sure they're Muslims, Rust? Funny coincidence that they would be from the UK and Australia. A few bloggers from those countries have been giving us prob's all along.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 07:10 PM (ptOpl)
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Hang in there. Might does not make right, but might that is right is nigh on invincible. As long as the threats come from overseas there is not too much worry. It is worrisome though, especially with a family and knowing the bastards don't care about any body. It is a complement to your effectiveness in your blog. In some way or other they are being hurt or they wouldn't threaten. I agree, if you can arm yourself, do so and let it be known. This is one of the reasons for the Second Amendment. As Americans we are rarely loved, but respect and fear are good substitutes in world politics. We will prevail.
Posted by: Bill at November 18, 2004 09:50 PM (ScOBm)
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If your up there Superman....
Posted by: Delboy at November 18, 2004 09:57 PM (FalJ3)
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This is all nonsense -- are we really supposed to believe you have "friends"? What losers those dudes must be.
Oh, wait ...
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 18, 2004 11:04 PM (EPrME)
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I wonder if that is why allahpundit has quit blogging. Maybe he is getting the same thing.
Posted by: bill at November 19, 2004 01:02 AM (VNPtA)
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Sorry to hear that Rusty. I do feel that given recent events overseas that it is a factor that must be given weight and consideration. I have no doubt that the desire exists --even here in our borders-- to carry out such actions.
That said, I do blog under my given name, and comment under it as well. Feel free to transmit any sort of threat you wish in my direction, you peaceful worshipers of a dead god, I will be happy to receive them.
Brian Holbrook
www.goldfalcon.org
Posted by: Brian Holbrook at November 19, 2004 01:24 AM (T9be8)
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Is that post saying the contact lens industry is behind the threats? hehe
You and your family are in our prayers.
Glad to see you are not quitting because of it.
Posted by: Kari Holtz at November 19, 2004 06:51 AM (r+tvq)
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They are only threats mate. Fuck them. Its like when you were back at school, and the bullies used to say 'i'll get you, I know were you live etc etc blah blah'. Fuck them Rusty.
Keep up the good work.
Posted by: karl at November 19, 2004 07:06 AM (PM/BC)
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Make sure that you publish all of the death threats for us. We need the laughs.
Just remember, the punks that make the threats 99% of the time don't have the balls to even begin to carry them out.
Simply put, fuck em and feed em fish heads.
Posted by: Dick at November 19, 2004 07:11 AM (hu9UN)
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RUSTY: When you posted your message to sit down to eat with those you didn't know I said is this man crazy? Even thought of volunteering some of my young ex-marine buddies to go with you. GLAD TO SEE YOU RETHOUGHT THE ISSUE.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 09:47 AM (RspqC)
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Boudreauxswife <--- Is not really married to boudreaux... Send ALL death threats via 1-800-FUCK YOU ... How was that Rusty... Terrorist tactic 101 Make threat, create Terrior..
Posted by: Andrea at November 19, 2004 09:50 AM (+7VNs)
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RUSTY: Please post the threatening E-mails word for word. You have hundreds of supporters who have the time and will to match them with posters on this blog. Then all of us can see their cowardly true colors. People write the same, use the same words and phases. Post the E-mails. This is important. Not neccessarily for your protection but to ID some of these jerks.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 19, 2004 09:58 AM (RspqC)
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Can you get a CCW based on the threat? One thing repeatedly stated by incarcerated felons is that they're MUCH more afraid of meeting an armed homeowner than an armed cop. Cops play by rules.
Also cops are indemnified against actually having to DO something/anything, and tend to come in after it's all over to begin their investigation and report-writing.
Of course terror-psychopaths are deranged - but if they don't know you're packin' you have the drop on them, especially if they're from a country where gun-control prevents it and they haven't much familiarity.
Practice and train, 2nd Amendment and all that.
Peace -- through superior firepower.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 19, 2004 10:26 AM (04TFv)
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Rusty:
Here I've been thinking you were from the intellectual branch of the Farkel and Doody families. No?
I certainly won't tell. I mean, I haven't even told our co-blogger (although I'm sure he knows), and I'm not even sure I know myself, though I must've told myself at some point...
For what it's worth, lots of people who post things a great deal less complimentary about Islam than you aren't anonymous. I'm not, nor is Proteus or Armed Liberal or Charles Johnson or lots of folks. Also, I'm pretty confident no one is going to pull a "Theo" on me, because I carry a 9mm when I'm on my bike. And I do head shots very well, so I don't even worry about "stopping power."
And for those bloggers reading who don't happen to live in a "shall issue" state, there's a fantastic upside to this. Take any threatening emails that you receive with you when you apply for the concealed carry permit. Good way to roll right past all those gun grabber constraints.
Heh.
Posted by: Demosophist at November 19, 2004 01:08 PM (OtR16)
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Yeah, I'll go in with an e-mail to 'Rusty' and say, "hey, give me a CCW." "But you're name's not Rusty?"
Anyway, I don't want to overdo this. Again, I'm not terribly worried, just a little.
Many of you might know the Commissar. Probably about 10 months ago so leftist decided they would "out" him. I just don't want the same thing happening to me.
So,thanks all for the advice. Mums the word!!
Posted by: Rusty at November 19, 2004 04:35 PM (JQjhA)
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I guess, to be fair, I should have stated that I don't need threatening emails for a concealed carry permit. My 1911 travels with me, the spouse is similarly armed. I spent nearly a decade in the 82nd Airborne division before being medically discharged...on 26 August 2001. Please, please, choose me for your martyrdom needs.
Posted by: Brian Holbrook (AKA GoldFalcon) at November 20, 2004 05:07 AM (T9be8)
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You know Rusty most cowards only speak and hide on here through fake words and names,,,,,,,,,,,,,let them use their real name and who they really are, otherwise, you should expect this kind of crap from some of these people who don't always get their way on the blog, especially those opposing the war it self. They can get nasty.
Ironically, remember I asked you to remove my first to listings, I was in fear that someone could track my family down and kill us as my husband is serving in the army in Iraq now. I am much braver now, not afraid to shoot anything wearing a rag, don't worry but always be on your guard nevertheless,
this is america, freedom of speech, let the rag head terrorist keep hiding and using that one coward skill to keep terrorizing what few are left to terrorize.......they know they are running all over Iraq like a cock roach pit just found behind a refrigerator that which was fallujah......well we are the raid can.........and we can always go back to walmart and buy more,,,sure it may not kill them all but it will keep them from nesting behind the refrigerator in our own home!!!
personally I would be more worried about my own neighbor loosing it, than this cowards who only work in groups by the way. Have to have someone leading them....KING COCKROACH
hope you track down the emails or destinations,,,we will give them some emails or postings to ponder on themselves!!!!
Hang in there Rusty,,,,,,thanks again for the therapy!!!
Posted by: madarmywife at November 20, 2004 01:40 PM (llyRQ)
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MADARMYWIFE: I remember the post you referred to. Felt so bad that there was nothing I could do.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 07:38 PM (ydtpC)
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Thanks rooster,
Have been missing you in the blogs, bad timing I suppose...just spent some time in Margarets blog....how is your son
Posted by: madarmywife at November 20, 2004 11:36 PM (rLlU1)
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Here in the Left-Lizadroid Bay Area of Nor.Californ, a threatening email, phone-calls, or even a cross burned on my front lawn would likely be insufficient for me to get a CCW. Don't let this happen to you guys elsewhere.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 22, 2004 12:41 PM (04TFv)
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MADARMYWIFE: Haven't heard from him in a week. Last call everything was fine. Said he hasn't lost a man. One wounded jumping off tank and breaking ankle. He may still be in Fallujah. Then again, maybe not!!!!!!. Thx for asking.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 04:55 PM (BFaxF)
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MADARMYWIFE: If you watched the news today it wasn't hard to figure where Scott & Company went. Sometimes we don't tell them we're coming.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 23, 2004 08:41 PM (RluOl)
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Godspeed, Scott and Paul.
;-)
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 09:48 PM (ptOpl)
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Even though I don't agree with you in a lot of your ideas. Especially the ones about France (being French). The reason why I come on your site is to get a different point of view and confront my ideas. Keep on the good work dude and fuck the cowards who threaten you. We need people with balls like you to show us the real face of events...
Posted by: federico at November 24, 2004 12:56 AM (dNXmc)
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Rusty - if you get one death threat, just let me know and I will finance a lawyer to go after that person's sorry ass - and you can post his name, apology and repentence right here on your blog and have him eat shit in humiliation.
Just let me know if you need me.
Posted by: Jaymar at June 04, 2005 05:31 AM (nGZO6)
Texas SUV Found in Car Bomb Factory in Fallujah
I blame Dick Cheney, Haliburton, and Enron. The real question was whether or not the Neocon Zionists drove the truck directly from Haliburton headquarters or if they took a detour through Israel, home of America's puppetmasters? Oh, and how much did Bush-Hitler know and when did he know it. CNN:
In a separate raid Thursday, the joint forces discovered a car bomb-making workshop in Falluja's industrial section where a sport-utility vehicle with a Texas registration sticker was being converted into a car bomb.But seriously folks, WTF????The SUV was sitting in a warehouse surrounded by "bags and bags" of explosive materials. It was being gutted and packed with explosives.
The vehicle had no license plate, but some 15 license plates were inside.
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It would be VERY interesting to see this somehow snake it's way back to say and autobody shop outfit in, oh, I don't know, maybe Oklahoma City.
Posted by: Editor at November 18, 2004 10:09 AM (adpJH)
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Possible non-tinfoil hat explanation: it was brought over for contract work by someone (halliburton) and was stolen. As were the license plates...
That's my guess.
Posted by: Mark at November 18, 2004 10:16 AM (WjEmd)
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That one was my fault. Sorry.
Posted by: Dick at November 18, 2004 10:17 AM (hu9UN)
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This is just another in the long, sad, line of stories that reveal the overtly aggressive --and often deadly-- nature of SUV's. Who among us cannot recall headlines such as "SUV Kills 2 In Parking Garage", "Pedestrian Killed by SUV", "SUV Rams House", or "SUV Starts Blaze, Kills 3". It looks like the SUV's have decided to kick it up a notch and issue a fatwa. Escalade Akbar!
Posted by: Goldfalcon at November 18, 2004 10:18 AM (TNNa4)
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Ah, it's the Herbie the Love Bug explanation!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 10:25 AM (JQjhA)
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A few years ago, when I was visiting the SanDiego area, the car rental place I was renting my car from told me be qite careful about the car being locked at all times.. apparently it was not unusual to find cars being stolen stateside ending up being resold in Mexico.
Suppose... Just suppose, that this SUV was stolen in the southern end of Texas and taken to Mexico as is usually the way of it... and then shipped to where it was found.
Suppose further, that the same path can be used for shipping PEOPLE back into the US.
Suppose even further, that such a path can be used for shipping nukes.
Posted by: Bithead at November 18, 2004 10:39 AM (TJt6I)
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Mark, I agree that it would definitely be a longshot to be tied in someway to OKC, especially since, my best guess is, the vehicle in question is newer than 1995, but I hope you're not talking as if OKC being tied to ME terrorism is a tinfoil hat explanation. I used to think that way until I read an interview with the dying widow of a Filipino terrorist.
Posted by: Editor at November 18, 2004 10:46 AM (adpJH)
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Answer: U.N. Weapons Inspectors, probably from France.
Posted by: Kari Holtz at November 18, 2004 10:59 AM (r+tvq)
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Rusty, you also have to take Karl Rove into consideration.
;-)
Posted by: Dick at November 18, 2004 11:02 AM (hu9UN)
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Okay I admit it. It was the SUV I traded in last year for my Honda Accord.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 11:14 AM (ptOpl)
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Wrong, all of you. Rusty wasn't closer than when he said Neocon Zionist. I did it. Some bearded guy clad in black offered me 20 bucks to "just drive this SUV to a place where my cousin can come and pick it up."
Simple, see?
Posted by: Gordon at November 18, 2004 11:49 AM (dqTOU)
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Yes, it's Gordon's fault. Everything is!!
Posted by: Rusty at November 18, 2004 06:22 PM (JQjhA)
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Editor: I read the "interview". Thank you for the link.
I don't know if any of this was in the news or brought out in the trial. If it was, how soon people forget. If not, maybe it needs to be televised.
GOD BLESS OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR TROOPS.
Posted by: owoju at November 19, 2004 09:47 AM (N4SKL)
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It really isn't to much trouble to get Texas vehicles into Mexico. There are so many Mexicans that live in the US that drive across the border to visit family, bring back chariso, maybe home grown red peppers and drugs. BUT, the registration is still on the vehicle and can probably be traced back to the one that bought it. Stolen maybe?
Posted by: owoju at November 19, 2004 10:03 AM (N4SKL)
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Stolen? Thats what I wondered. It seems more than a little strange to speculate that they would steal vehicles here, go to the expense of shipping them overseas, all to make them into car bombs. All I keep thinking (like the previous post) is WTF?
Posted by: Geoff at November 20, 2004 10:57 AM (ywZa8)
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now how long do you think they looked for the perfect message to send Bush?? probably collecting the lisence plates hoping to get a texas one to go with the registration sticker...
too bad they didn't get that one pulled before the election,,,,he now maybe it was a gift from Kerry???
Posted by: madarmywife at November 20, 2004 01:53 PM (llyRQ)
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I've known people who make pretty good money shipping over US cars to E. Europe and reselling there. It's all perfectly legal and a way to get some low cost autos to an area that can't afford too many new ones. No doubt the VIN number on the vehicle has been forwarded to the Justice Department.
Posted by: TM Lutas at November 24, 2004 11:53 PM (VyJE4)
Zarqawi Letters Found in Fallujah Safe House
Damn Kevin Sites for turning our victory into defeat. Damn him! CNN:
During recent house-to-house raids in southeast Falluja, U.S. and Iraqi forces uncovered what appeared to be an abandoned safe house used by insurgents loyal to both al Qaeda and wanted terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.There were two letters inside the house, one from al-Zarqawi giving instructions to two of his lieutenants in the region. Another sought money and help from the terrorist leader....
It is believed that the two lieutenants mentioned in the letters lived in the house the troops found. It is unclear whether they escaped the violence or were killed in recent battles.
Symbols pledging loyalty to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network also adorned the walls of the house.
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He has not turned it into defeat! He and the MSM, Old Europe and the DNC are trying to turn it into defeat; but "Talk Radio" and web sites like this are fighting them by getting out the truth. Just like Rathergate. The battle has just begun!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 18, 2004 10:50 AM (a2hGw)
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what battle? the battle between intelligence and you babbling baboons? if that's the case we liberals have you all beat.
Posted by: f at August 08, 2005 12:39 PM (1jVt0)
Body Found in Fallujah May be that of Margaret Hassan
The Prime Minister of Australia announced yesterday that the mutilated body of a woman found in Fallujah several days ago was probably that of Margaret Hassan. The PM later issued a retraction. DNA tests are now being run on the body.
Jihadis delivered the videotaped murder of Mrs. Hassan two days ago to al Jazeera television. On the video, Margaret Hassan is dressed in the orange jumpsuit of a prisoner at Abu Ghraib and shot in the back of the head. The body found in Fallujah was mutilated beyond recognition, but news reports indicate the woman had her throat slit. The corpse was also that of a blonde woman. Mrs. Hassan was a brunette.
If this is Mrs. Hassan's body, then either earlier reports were wrong or the terrorists dyed her hair to escape detection while transporting her from Southern Iraq northward to Fallujah. It is also possible that the word 'blonde' was used by an Iraqi to indicate a hair color lighter than the darker brunette more commonly found among Arabs. The good people of Fallujah had chopped off the arms and legs of the corpse. The fact that the throat had been slit might indicate that they were trying to behead the corpse as a final act of humiliation.
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It is interesting to me that the video of the Marine shooting the "unarmed" Iraqi is being shown over and over again on Al Jazeera, yet they will not show Hassan's murder.
Fucking hypocritical savages.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 10:45 AM (ptOpl)
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Hasn't Al-Jazeera shown enough murders? Do you really need to see another? I mean, you've complained so many times about how Al-Jazeera is a propoganda tool because they continue to show these gruesome murders - now you complain that they're not. Sounds to me like you're the one who's the hypocritical savage.
Posted by: Venom at November 18, 2004 02:13 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom, because I stated that Al Jazeera wasn't showing Hassan's video did not infer that I WANTED to! What was meant is that typical propaganda shit that this media throws out...depicting Americans as savages, while totally dismissing the insurgents' brand of depravity.
Please think before you come to any conclusions.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 03:13 PM (ptOpl)
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Oh, come on. ANY kind of media out there could be considered propoganda by someone who happens to have an opinion. Is Fox News propoganda because Democrats out there don't like what they have to say?
You don't like Al-Jazeera, so it's propoganda. A family in Oman who wants to learn about what's going on in the Middle East uses it for news. The fact that you focus on ONE aspect of their programming while ignoring the fact that it's a Middle East news organization akin to CNN doesn't necessarily make the entire network "propoganda." In fact, I'll bet that you haven't ever watched a single minute of Al-Jazeera, and that your only knowledge of the network is from news articles that mention they were handed another videotape. So, how can you possibly have an opinion as to whether or not it's propoganda or not? It's a popular network, so of course they're going to get contacted by criminals who want their message circulated.
"Please think before you come to any conclusions."
Hahahaha...ahhh, I really did laugh out loud at that one. Talk about people in glass houses who shouldn't throw stones!
Posted by: Venom at November 18, 2004 04:49 PM (dbxVM)
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LAURA: Haven't you learned by now that this venom character is going to take the opposite of anything pro America/pro Bush you say. If you say shit tastes bad he will argue the point. Forget him.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 04:44 PM (BFaxF)
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Rooster: I must have a saying stamped on my forehead that reads:
"all assholes please report to me"
You're right, fuck it.
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 02:41 PM (ptOpl)
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MAY ALLAH BLESS THE MIDDLE EAST WITH PEACE!
BEWARE OF EDICTS AND FATWA.
I warn you don't question or add to the Quran, which is the infallible Word of Allah
By Dr. Jack E. Shepard
I warn the militant insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries now fight and killing now mostly innocent Iraqi men, women, and children, you do not fear Allah, if you continue to obey the evil publishing of fatwa (edicts) by religious leaders and scholars. No devout Muslim would willfully attempt to tamper with the word of Allah.
These edicts are blaspheme against Allah and Prophet Muhammad (May Allah raise his rank and grant him peace), you defy the divine assertions that the Quran is complete, perfect, fully detailed, and shall be the only source of religious guidance (6:19, 38, 114 & 45:6-7).Those who do not uphold the Quran, and follow fatwa (edicts) which are false doctrines based on superstition, ignorance, and indefensible nonsensical traditions as the prophet Muhammad (May Allah raise his rank and grant him peace), stated in very strong words, against issuing any religious teachings besides the Quran (69:38-4
. Fatwa were never authorized by Allah or the Prophet Muhammad (May Allah raise his rank and grant him Peace), edicts contradict themselves and can not be added to the Quran, the infallible Word of God. Presently many of the scholars in Iraq are engaging in major acts of disbelief, which takes them out of the fold of Islam in board daylight and in front of all the people, we find fatwa (edicts) from some religious organizations.
Believing in Allah means to believe Him and accept His teaching and His word. Choosing the scholars or the dictionary over Allah reflects a disbelief in Allah and His word (Quran). "They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of Allah....." 9:31 “So after the truth (Quran), what else can there be, save error?†(Quran 10:32)
It is obligatory upon the spiritual leaders and scholars of Iraq if they do not exert themselves in ending this evil of adding to the Quran by publishing fatwa (edicts) they do not fear Allah. Fatwa were never authorized by Allah or the Prophet Muhammad ( May Allah raise his rank and grant him peace), they contradict themselves and contradict the Quran. Believing in Allah means to believe Him and accept His teaching and His word.
We each are living out Allah's plan; Allah knew each of us before we were born. What ever we do we can not hide it from Allah. As Mohammad once said this one, by his actions was made for Paradise and this one, by his actions was made for the fire of Hell.
The Jihad Organizations lie to the insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries by urging them to entering into blind jihads. These Organizations are led by these misguided individuals that only increase the tribulations of the entire Muslim community by not telling to young insurgents that suicide bombings according to the Quran guarantees punishment “in the fire of hell, wherein they shall dwell forever.†We must ask our selves why in Iraq we do not see the scholars or religious leaders of these Jihad Organizations using themselves as suicide bombers? Because they know“ indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills
himself, then certainly he will be punished in the fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever.
Suicide bombing by young uninformed Muslim youths have been carried out almost routinely as a mean of revenge in the Iraqi conflict. These young uniformed Muslim youth blindly obey older religious leaders or scholars who take advantage of them because they are so easily convinced to avenge their oppression, occupation and loss of freedom that they have been experiencing all their life to obeying these fatwa (edicts) “which are blaspheme against Allah†and become suicide bombers.
These suicide bombers to not live to see and witness the families members they have destroyed, the killing of someone's loved ones or neighbors. The innocent bystanders who die or are tortured throughout their life, having to live and suffer without legs, arms or their sight without their loved ones or neighbors.
These suicide bombers created an intolerable situation, no permission can be found in Islam to avenge by suicide bombing or by targeting the innocent civilians. These young desperate Muslim youth have been taught what is NOT in the Quran, and what was never promised by Allah in the Holy book, by intentionally) killing themselves, they certainly will be punished in the fire of Hell, wherein where they shall dwell forever and ever.
I pray my Muslim brothers in Iraq will remember these things before Allah announces his verdict on you, presently those who do not fear Allah are blocking the ability of ordinary Iraqi's to take control of their own country. By continue to inflict misery and harm on their fellow Muslims brothers in Iraq they are guaranteeing that the American Coalition will have to stay in Iraq for years.
These fatwa (edicts) are presently causing limitless grief and sadness for our Muslim brothers in Iraq. These militant insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries that blindly obey these fatwa (edicts) have created a monstrous and inhumane situation unnecessarily in Iraq by killing and harming mostly their fellow Muslim Brothers. Already 1,000's of Iraqi men, women and children have been already killing by exploding cars or bombs or in the cross fire of shooting , mortar or grenade attacks in streets crowded with Iraqi Civilians. Unfortunately most of the men, women and children who you are hurt and killed most often have nothing to do with anything but are just ordinary Iraqi trying to live, praying for their nightmare to end. Those that follow these fatwa (edicts) how can you call your actions acts of resistance, all your doing is maximizing the suffering of your Muslim brothers in Iraq. In the name of Allah we must immediately eliminate this source of disunity and strife. These religious leaders and scholars who publish fatwa (edicts) are not lords; instead of Allah....." "They have set up themselves as lords; instead of Allah....." 9:31
Our faith is anchored in two fundamental conceptions: imàn (expression of faith) and ihsàn (right-doing) both are absolutely necessary for the establishment of one's faith as a Muslim.
Presently you have to understand your actions are not ihsàn; right-doing for the Iraqi men, women and children that you are killing and maiming by exploding cars and bombs in the streets or shooting mortar or grenade launchers into the crowded streets.
Unfortunately the militant insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries who are by following these fatwa (edicts) and following a blind Jihad in Iraq are only playing into the hand s of the American Coalition by guaranteeing them a reason to remain in Iraq for years and years. By following these fatwa (edicts) mostly you are hurting and killing our Muslim brothers ordinary Iraqi men, women and children just trying to live. How can you call your actions acts of resistance, all your doing is maximizing the suffering of the Iraqi people and playing into the hands of the American coalition by giving them the excuse to remain in Iraqi for years.
l still hope and pray for an immediate peaceful settlement; as King Abdullah II of Jordan said in an interview, Sept. 29, 2004, "that if the elections in Iraq were held today the Extremists would win. Today in Iraq the best organized factions are the extremists. The results of the election will reflect this advantage for the extremists.
I, myself pray that Allah blesses Iraq and the Middle East with Peace. The moment the elections are finished the Americans will have to begin going home. The most American soldiers are also believers in Allah. Infidels by definition are non believers in Allah; Idol worshipers. They like you are created by Allah with Wives, children and families and would be happier than you to soon be able to return home to their families and loved ones.
We have to remember if we break Allah's law, by obeying false lord's fatwa (edicts) we move ourselves away from His mercy and lose His support. MY brothers in Iraq you have forgotten that Allah will send upon you humiliation and will not remove it from you until you return to (practicing) our religion (correctly),†Only when we stop killing our brothers and exploding cars in the streets, the kidnapping and murder of people in a manner which contradicts the teachings of Mohammad and was never authorized by Allah which reflects a disbelief in Allah and his word (Quran). These people have to remember there is nothing holy about a war in Islam (submission). If we call a truce and even move up the date of the January elections, the sooner the American Coalition force will have to leave Iraqi soil, ending their occupation and give the Iraqi people the control of their destiny.
Also the present dramatic increase in violence in Iraq has harmed our Palestinian brothers by giving the Genocide Policies of Sharon a perfect cover where he has killed hundreds of our defenseless Palestinian Brothers in the last weeks. Once our situation in Iraqi has stabilized, Sharon Policies of Palestinian Genocide will get the international attention urgently needed, to force him to end his slaughter of hundreds of innocence Palestinians men, women and children immediately.
We must trust in Allah and immediately end the present unholy situation in Iraqi of Muslims brothers fighting and killing Muslim brother. This can be done only by immediate calling a ceasefire in the name of Allah. So we can rush toward elections; that is the only and fastest way to end the present occupation of Iraq, and return Iraqi to the Iraqi People.
May Allah Bless the Middle East with Peace
Dr. Jack E. Shepard
Email: middle.east@flashnet.it
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/People_for_Peace_Group
http://www.shepardusgov.com
. Fatwa were never authorized by Allah or the Prophet Muhammad (May Allah raise his rank and grant him Peace), edicts contradict themselves and can not be added to the Quran, the infallible Word of God. Presently many of the scholars in Iraq are engaging in major acts of disbelief, which takes them out of the fold of Islam in board daylight and in front of all the people, we find fatwa (edicts) from some religious organizations.
Believing in Allah means to believe Him and accept His teaching and His word. Choosing the scholars or the dictionary over Allah reflects a disbelief in Allah and His word (Quran). "They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of Allah....." 9:31 “So after the truth (Quran), what else can there be, save error?†(Quran 10:32)
It is obligatory upon the spiritual leaders and scholars of Iraq if they do not exert themselves in ending this evil of adding to the Quran by publishing fatwa (edicts) they do not fear Allah. Fatwa were never authorized by Allah or the Prophet Muhammad ( May Allah raise his rank and grant him peace), they contradict themselves and contradict the Quran. Believing in Allah means to believe Him and accept His teaching and His word.
We each are living out Allah's plan; Allah knew each of us before we were born. What ever we do we can not hide it from Allah. As Mohammad once said this one, by his actions was made for Paradise and this one, by his actions was made for the fire of Hell.
The Jihad Organizations lie to the insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries by urging them to entering into blind jihads. These Organizations are led by these misguided individuals that only increase the tribulations of the entire Muslim community by not telling to young insurgents that suicide bombings according to the Quran guarantees punishment “in the fire of hell, wherein they shall dwell forever.†We must ask our selves why in Iraq we do not see the scholars or religious leaders of these Jihad Organizations using themselves as suicide bombers? Because they know“ indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills
himself, then certainly he will be punished in the fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever.
Suicide bombing by young uninformed Muslim youths have been carried out almost routinely as a mean of revenge in the Iraqi conflict. These young uniformed Muslim youth blindly obey older religious leaders or scholars who take advantage of them because they are so easily convinced to avenge their oppression, occupation and loss of freedom that they have been experiencing all their life to obeying these fatwa (edicts) “which are blaspheme against Allah†and become suicide bombers.
These suicide bombers to not live to see and witness the families members they have destroyed, the killing of someone's loved ones or neighbors. The innocent bystanders who die or are tortured throughout their life, having to live and suffer without legs, arms or their sight without their loved ones or neighbors.
These suicide bombers created an intolerable situation, no permission can be found in Islam to avenge by suicide bombing or by targeting the innocent civilians. These young desperate Muslim youth have been taught what is NOT in the Quran, and what was never promised by Allah in the Holy book, by intentionally) killing themselves, they certainly will be punished in the fire of Hell, wherein where they shall dwell forever and ever.
I pray my Muslim brothers in Iraq will remember these things before Allah announces his verdict on you, presently those who do not fear Allah are blocking the ability of ordinary Iraqi's to take control of their own country. By continue to inflict misery and harm on their fellow Muslims brothers in Iraq they are guaranteeing that the American Coalition will have to stay in Iraq for years.
These fatwa (edicts) are presently causing limitless grief and sadness for our Muslim brothers in Iraq. These militant insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries that blindly obey these fatwa (edicts) have created a monstrous and inhumane situation unnecessarily in Iraq by killing and harming mostly their fellow Muslim Brothers. Already 1,000's of Iraqi men, women and children have been already killing by exploding cars or bombs or in the cross fire of shooting , mortar or grenade attacks in streets crowded with Iraqi Civilians. Unfortunately most of the men, women and children who you are hurt and killed most often have nothing to do with anything but are just ordinary Iraqi trying to live, praying for their nightmare to end. Those that follow these fatwa (edicts) how can you call your actions acts of resistance, all your doing is maximizing the suffering of your Muslim brothers in Iraq. In the name of Allah we must immediately eliminate this source of disunity and strife. These religious leaders and scholars who publish fatwa (edicts) are not lords; instead of Allah....." "They have set up themselves as lords; instead of Allah....." 9:31
Our faith is anchored in two fundamental conceptions: imàn (expression of faith) and ihsàn (right-doing) both are absolutely necessary for the establishment of one's faith as a Muslim.
Presently you have to understand your actions are not ihsàn; right-doing for the Iraqi men, women and children that you are killing and maiming by exploding cars and bombs in the streets or shooting mortar or grenade launchers into the crowded streets.
Unfortunately the militant insurgents and extremists, kidnappers, hard-core criminals, disgruntled, frustrated and overzealous youth from many Arab Countries who are by following these fatwa (edicts) and following a blind Jihad in Iraq are only playing into the hand s of the American Coalition by guaranteeing them a reason to remain in Iraq for years and years. By following these fatwa (edicts) mostly you are hurting and killing our Muslim brothers ordinary Iraqi men, women and children just trying to live. How can you call your actions acts of resistance, all your doing is maximizing the suffering of the Iraqi people and playing into the hands of the American coalition by giving them the excuse to remain in Iraqi for years.
l still hope and pray for an immediate peaceful settlement; as King Abdullah II of Jordan said in an interview, Sept. 29, 2004, "that if the elections in Iraq were held today the Extremists would win. Today in Iraq the best organized factions are the extremists. The results of the election will reflect this advantage for the extremists.
I, myself pray that Allah blesses Iraq and the Middle East with Peace. The moment the elections are finished the Americans will have to begin going home. The most American soldiers are also believers in Allah. Infidels by definition are non believers in Allah; Idol worshipers. They like you are created by Allah with Wives, children and families and would be happier than you to soon be able to return home to their families and loved ones.
We have to remember if we break Allah's law, by obeying false lord's fatwa (edicts) we move ourselves away from His mercy and lose His support. MY brothers in Iraq you have forgotten that Allah will send upon you humiliation and will not remove it from you until you return to (practicing) our religion (correctly),†Only when we stop killing our brothers and exploding cars in the streets, the kidnapping and murder of people in a manner which contradicts the teachings of Mohammad and was never authorized by Allah which reflects a disbelief in Allah and his word (Quran). These people have to remember there is nothing holy about a war in Islam (submission). If we call a truce and even move up the date of the January elections, the sooner the American Coalition force will have to leave Iraqi soil, ending their occupation and give the Iraqi people the control of their destiny.
Also the present dramatic increase in violence in Iraq has harmed our Palestinian brothers by giving the Genocide Policies of Sharon a perfect cover where he has killed hundreds of our defenseless Palestinian Brothers in the last weeks. Once our situation in Iraqi has stabilized, Sharon Policies of Palestinian Genocide will get the international attention urgently needed, to force him to end his slaughter of hundreds of innocence Palestinians men, women and children immediately.
We must trust in Allah and immediately end the present unholy situation in Iraqi of Muslims brothers fighting and killing Muslim brother. This can be done only by immediate calling a ceasefire in the name of Allah. So we can rush toward elections; that is the only and fastest way to end the present occupation of Iraq, and return Iraqi to the Iraqi People.
May Allah Bless the Middle East with Peace
Dr. Jack E. Shepard
Email: middle.east@flashnet.it
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/People_for_Peace_Group
http://www.shepardusgov.com
Posted by: Dr. Jack Shepard at December 08, 2004 12:39 PM (RlIS3)
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YOU ARE WELCOME TO PEOPLE FOR PEACE GROUP.
by Dr. Jack Shepard
YOU CAN FIND US AT. http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/People_for_Peace_Group
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I, Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group would like to personally thank you if you join us.
We have to ALL work for PEACE. Everyone has to learn again to " Love our Neighbors" and become.beautiful, good, friendly, joyful, PEACE LOVING.
MOST IMPORTANT WE HAVE TO give a chance for hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, justice, fairness, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, gratitude to our brother all around the world.
What we at People for Peace Group are calling for is a worldwide change of HEART.
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THANK YOU FOR JOIN US AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO JOIN US IN SPREAD OUR MESSAGE OF PEACE.
BY HELPING US SPREAD LOVE WHERE THERE IS HATRED.
WHERE THERE IS DARKNESS HELPING US SOW LIGHT.
WHERE THERE IS DESPAIR HELPING US SOW HOPE.
WHERE THERE IS MISUNDERSTANDING HELPING US SOW UNDERSTANDING.
WHERE THERE IS SADNESS HELPING US SOW JOY.
I PRAY THAT WE ALL BECOME INSTRUMENTS OF OUR LORD'S PEACE. PLEASE READ ANNEMIEKE VOORN MESSAGE: WE ALL HAVE TO FEED OUR DESIRE TO LOVE IF WE ARE TO WIN.
PLEASE POST AND FORWARD TO US ANY WORDS OR STORIES ABOUT PEACE AND LOVE!
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Annemieke Voorn one of our People for Peace Group members posted this message Dec. 12, 2004,Sunday, 4:20 AM
Uithoorn, Noord Holland, Netherlands
A while ago I read this story:
A Grandfather from the Cherokee Nation was talking with his grandson.
"A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.
"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves."
"One wolf is evil and ugly: He is anger, envy, war, greed, self-pity, sorrow, regret, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, selfishness and arrogance."
"The other wolf is beautiful and good: He is friendly, joyful, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, justice, fairness, empathy, generosity, true, compassion, gratitude, and deep VISION."
"This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other human as well."
The grandson paused in deep reflection because of what his grandfather had just said. Then he finally cried out; "Oyee! Grandfather, which wolf will win?"
The elder Cherokee replied, "The wolf that you feed."
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Thank you Annemieke, you have shared with us in very simple form, the deep VISION* we all must have. Your message really makes us think.
Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group- my direct email is middle.east@flashnet.it please feel free to contact me and share and post your ideas for PEACE with our People for Peace Group. Thank you again for join us and may the Lord Bless you and THANK YOU FOR JOINING our mission in Life; spreading the Lords Words of Love.
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"Mama Margaret" I know you are in Heaven Born to Eternal Life
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By Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Like Margaret's Family our hearts are broken, we have like Margaret's family kept on hoping and we still pray for her but like her family we have to accept that Margaret has probably gone and at last her suffering has ended. As I like to call her "Mama Margaret" worked for the past 30 years in Iraq, she worked tirelessly for the Iraqi people. I; Dr. Jack Shepard, founder for People for Peace Group today to would official like that our group also help the Iraqi people in an way we can. In the name of Mrs. Margaret Hassan. Today I dedicated the People for Peace Group to honor Mrs. Margaret Hassan. I hope we can keep her memory alive by continuing her whole life's work helping the poor and vulnerable, helping those who had no one else. "Mama Margaret" I know you are in Heaven born to Eternal Life, judged by your deeds on earth; I always myself thought of you as a true Angel of God's Mercy. You were indeed a true instrument of the Lord's peace, you sowed love, while you were healing the injured and despaired. Where every you went where there was darkness you brought faith, hope and light while you were consoling the injured. We pray to keep your memory alive and in any way possible to not let the world forget the sacrifices you made to help others. As of today our People for Peace Group will be dedicated to you "Mama Margaret" so the World never forgets you and your work for peace.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Welcome to People for Peace Group: http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/People_for_Peace_Group
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Annemieke Voorn one of our People for Peace Group members posted this message Dec. 12, 2004,Sunday, 4:20 AM Uithoorn, Noord Holland, Netherlands
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A while ago I read this story: A Grandfather from the Cherokee Nation was talking with his grandson. "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves." "One wolf is evil and ugly: He is anger, envy, war, greed, self-pity, sorrow, regret, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, selfishness and arrogance." "The other wolf is beautiful and good: He is friendly, joyful, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, justice, fairness, empathy, generosity, true, compassion, gratitude, and deep VISION." "This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other human as well." The grandson paused in deep reflection because of what his grandfather had just said. Then he finally cried out; "Oyee! Grandfather, which wolf will win?" The elder Cherokee replied, "The wolf that you feed." ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Thank you Annemieke, you have shared with us in very simple form, the deep VISION* we all must have. Your message really makes us think. Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group- my direct email is middle.east@flashnet.it
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Please feel free to contact me and share and post your ideas for PEACE with our People for Peace Group.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Thank you again for join us and may the Lord Bless you and THANK YOU FOR JOINING our mission in Life; spreading the Lords Words of Love. People for Peace Group is an Interfaith Group of mult-national individuals many active and retired Government, United Nations Employees AND PEOPLE of FAITH IN OUR LORD AND HIS WORD
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Please also visit http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_jack_shepard/ where I have begun posting photos concerning my Global Peace Efforts and travels in the Middle East for Peace
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________My personal web site- www.shepardusgov.com, is presently under construction, it still includes my work trying to the End "the past" Iraqi Sanctions, click on real Victims to see photos of my visits to Baghdad's Children's Hospital in 2001.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I am testimony to the over 1,490,000 Iraqi men, women and children that Saddam Hussein would not purchase Medicine or Medical equipment for with his Billions of Dollars. Saddam Hussein chose to just watch million of poor IraqiÂ’s die without helping them or caring for them. Saddam Hussein chose only to use them as victims to blame on the Iraqi Sanctions. Presently I am working to ending the present Iraqi War be teaching through our faith in God by work together is the only way to bring peace to the Middle East. My present editorial campaign is to inform the world and especially the militant insurgents and extremists in Iraq that these edicts or fatwa published by spiritual leaders or religious scholars are false doctrines. The Prophet Muhammad taught that the Koran was the infallible Word of God and the Koran is complete and edicts can not be added to the Koran. The Prophet taught that choosing the scholars or the dictionary over Allah reflects a disbelief in Allah and His word (Koran) " They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of Allah.."9:31 " So after the truth (Koran ), what else can thee be, save error?" Koran 10:32 These edicts are blaspheme against God and the Prophet Muhammad taught to follow these edicts or fatwa is evil. If a kidnapper uses these edicts of fatwa for example cut the head off a hostage aid worker; the Holy Koran, guarantees punishment, "In the fires of Hell, wherein they shall dwell forever." Just as important suicide bombers I am warning that the Koran taught any person who intentionally kills themselves, "they certainly will be punished in the fire of Hell, wherein they shall dwell forever and ever." __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________May God Bless the Middle East WITH PEACE and please join us in keeping Mrs. "Mama Margaret" Hassan's work alive; she was and we are "Peacemakers in a time of seemingly endless wars.
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Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group
Posted by: Dr. Jack Shepard at December 15, 2004 06:20 AM (6AFcG)
November 17, 2004
Daniel Pearl Murder Suspect Killed In Pakistan
Thank you Lord. Thank you. BBC:
Police in Pakistan have shot dead a suspected Islamic militant wanted in connection with the 2002 kidnapping and murder of US journalist Daniel Pearl.
Asim Ghafoor died in a shootout with security forces in the southern city of Karachi, police said.Officials said he was closely linked to Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, on death row for masterminding Pearl's killing. Police say Ghafoor was a member of at least one banned group, and wanted in connection with other attacks. These include the May 2002 suicide bombing outside Karachi's Sheraton hotel in which 14 people died, 11 of them French engineers.
Police say they were acting on a tip-off when they raided what they describe as Ghafoor's hideout in western Karachi. He opened fire as he fled but was wounded when police returned fire, and he later died in hospital, said Javed Shah Bokhari, deputy inspector general of Karachi police...
Mr Bokhari said Ghafoor was a close aide to Pakistan's most wanted militant, Amjad Hussain Farooqi, who security forces killed in September.
"Asim Ghafoor was second-in-command to Amjad Farooqi and had a role in all the terrorist activities orchestrated by Amjad Farooqi," he told the Associated Press.
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I'm glad they got him, but wish he could've suffered a long, painful death by beheading.
Daniel's death has been avenged! Rest in final peace, dear David. Your killer will not see you in paradise.
Posted by: Laura at November 17, 2004 05:12 PM (ptOpl)
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This is good news, indeed. May 72 devils greet him in hell. Oops, did I say that out loud again?
Posted by: Ricky V at November 17, 2004 05:37 PM (AHaCg)
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Note to self: Turn on internal dialogue.
Posted by: Rusty at November 17, 2004 07:50 PM (JQjhA)
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I was born without the ability to modulate the volume of my voice. It is an affliction that affects over 700 Americans every year. It is also fully acknowledged by medical communities of both the United States and the United Kingdom. I have extensive literature in the trunk of my car that I'm happy to run and get for you if you think I'm lying. -Will Ferrell, SNL
Posted by: Ricky V at November 17, 2004 08:05 PM (9BReq)
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A salute to Pakistan.
It is reports like these that lead me to believe the Ben Laden is not hiding in Pakistan. I believe he is in Iran.
25 million dollars bounty passed up by Pakistani tribesmen. I don't believe it.
Whoever is hiding him has either lots of money or is a religious zealot to the highest degree. Or both. This points to the Inmans in Iran.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2004 12:55 AM (7yovg)
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Maybe in Iran. I have a sneaking suspicion he's in Africa. Evidence? None.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 08:01 AM (JQjhA)
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He's in Iran? YES. It's about time. I'm bored with Iraq.
LET'S INVADE!
KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 18, 2004 08:11 AM (ccz95)
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Well Matt... was that a tad of sarcasism.....since you seem to know and are bored.. how bout we strap a backpack on you and send you out to find him ALONE... Oh and please don't bring a weapon... or better yet why don't you just take a knife to a gun-fight. I see the Headlines now " Matt Bing notorious BLOG writer rages thru battle zone with only a pocket knife and brings Bin Ladin to justice".... HAHA
Dammit I should have ran for President... I have a plan too ya know!!!
Andrea
Posted by: Andrea at November 18, 2004 09:24 AM (+7VNs)
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Andrea, Osama works in a Mcdonalds in Finsbury Park. He's no longer interested in world domination and the destruction of the west and divides his time between walking his two Staffordshire Bull Terriors and writing a column in the Guardian. He is good friends with Elvis and Lord Lucan and he has given much thought to starting a three piece skiffle band and touring the Northern clubs of Great Britain. Either that or he's in Pakistan. Or Afghanistan. Or Uzbikistan. Or....oh, who knows. Perhaps he IS in Iran.
Where's my backpack?
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 18, 2004 10:19 AM (ccz95)
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There's never an industrial shredder around when you need one...
Posted by: Jem at November 18, 2004 05:39 PM (vT9Oz)
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JEM: Amen
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 07:49 PM (ydtpC)
More Fallout from Fallujah-gate
Bill Dauterieve sends this e-mail along with a report on how the Arab media uses the Marine killing of an Iraqi in Fallujah as a propaganda tool for anti-Americanism. Since he didn't call patent pending, I decided to share it with you. You'll have to scroll to the end to see the article. It's just as bad as I predicted:
This should have been the week of a great propaganda
victory for us. Now, the Marine might have violated rules of
engagement, but as I recall, the Geneva Convention also allows for the
summary execution of partisans (no uniforms, dressed as civilians,
carrying arms). So no violation of international law there. He may
have violated US and military law.
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"Instead, some marines forget to cover their asses and ruin the reputation of all Americans."
What reputation was that, again? Come on, you want to make an arguement the Marines made a mistake, fine, but to don't it by using our "reputation" as motivation. That's just pussy, Mr. Dauterieve. Yep. Dang, that Peggy Hill is one fine piece of...
Posted by: Editor at November 17, 2004 05:21 PM (adpJH)
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Not to plug my blog, really, I promise! But I posted an entry about the news article mentioned. I find it extremely hypocritical of Al-Jazeera to post the images of the Marine shooting and not those of Margaret's execution. This is a blatant attempt to fuel contempt. Bad form!
Posted by: Ricky V at November 17, 2004 05:41 PM (AHaCg)
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What I want to know is, what does Cotton Hill think?
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at November 17, 2004 07:08 PM (2l8QE)
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Not to plug my blog either... it sucks, really...
I just posted the pic of the controversial "insurgent". It looks to me as if he is holding a gun. In which case, the marine should be in the clear. The guy is faking his death, his weapon still in hand... it's not like this guy was unarmed. I'm glad he's dead now.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at November 17, 2004 09:51 PM (0xMIM)
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Uh PK, not to burst your bubble, but that's not the one he shot. That's the one they left alone because he was clearly surrendering... to the camera crew. You've GOT to see the video
Posted by: Editor at November 17, 2004 10:35 PM (uurD1)
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did you people even hear/see the video? you can hear an american say "....look he's still breathing..." and then the report of the gun. the soldiers were standing over the bodies and watching them for signs of life; they weren't engaged in combat. thats cold blooded murder, performed by an american hero, in my american name.
now i don't believe everything i hear or see, and of course that clip is wildly out of context as i watch it in my living room, but when you are a virtuous person, and/or sworn into a code of conduct, the fighting stops at the moment your enemy is neutralized. you don't walk around the victims SS style and methodically kill them.
were these people resisting before they were wounded? probably. were they murderous islamic radicals? good bet. but an atrocity is an atrocity, and now that killing video is one more piece of ordnance for jihadis to lob back at us.
thanks for making the world a safer place, Dubya. you're my hero.
Posted by: jack at November 17, 2004 11:20 PM (+7VNs)
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Jack heard him say (look he's still breathing).
PK says (he was holding a gun).
I heard someone say (he's faking).
Let us be honest and say we don't know.
International law (Geneva Convention) backs the Marine.
Common sense backs the Marine.
The so called victim was shooting and trying to kill Marines and Iraqi Soldiers before he was wounded. (if he was in fact wounded).
Americans are never given quarter. Always killed when wounded.
Enemy combatants out of uniform deserve to be killed on site.
If a Marine behaved like the terrorists/insurgents what is the difference?
The difference is people like JACK. Always searching for a reason to blame America/Bush.
JACK: Watch some of the beheading videos. Thats were you will find
the methodical SS style killing. In particular watch the ones showing all the unarmed, hog tied Iraqi recruits being shot.
DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU THEN. You are nothing.
Thank you Dubya. Thank you for allowing our Marines to kill terrorists before they kill more innocents.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 17, 2004 11:55 PM (7yovg)
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Oh yea: Thanks again Kevin Sites. The terrorists need more just like you.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 18, 2004 12:01 AM (7yovg)
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The Geneva Convention also allows for the
summary execution of partisans (no uniforms, dressed as civilians, carrying arms).
But was he armed? Thank goodness Bush rejected the ICC. This guy would never get a fair trial.
Posted by: Jane at November 18, 2004 07:41 AM (ywZa8)
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I'm still agnostic, although 'legally' it looks like he did nothing wrong. Jack actually makes a good point, that is the morality of actions in war--jus en bellio. Killing can only be justified, even in war, as an act of self-defense. This seems not to be that. On the other hand, the Marines state of mind should taken into account as a mitigating circumstance. That is, the Marine (as many have alleged) might have had experiences of terrorists feigning death and then hurling a grenade (or some similar situation). Still, it doesn't look good.
The stupid part of Jack's statement was the crack at Bush. It would be like blaming FDR for the thousands of German soldiers killed in a similar fashion in WWII. Crimes happen in war. What was different about WWII was the media knew which side they were on and the left was on board with the war (mostly because the Soviets were on our side).
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 08:10 AM (JQjhA)
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This is the stupidist and the most ignorant argument I have every heard. This is WAR. You live, you win......you die, you lose. That marine had every right to do what he did. There should be NO rules in war. Sure it would suck if that happened to an American, but you know what, that is what war is. It is an all out battle, a fight to the death. That marine should be given a medal for ridding the earth of a piece of scum insurgent. I would have done the same thing. And I would have popped the one that surrendered too.
Have you seen the movie "Saving Private Ryan"? Remember the scene where the Americans take pity on the German soldier and let him go free. Then the soldier comes back and kills a ton more Americans. Tat is the moral to this story. Let me tell you what would have happened. We would have captured the insurgent, put him in prison for a few years. Waste money on his room and board, meals, etc etc. Then we would release him because he is "not considered a threat any longer". Then he would kill innocent civilians in a suicide mission. Trust me, that is a VERY likely scenario.
What these stupid people don't understand is that we are not there. So he was caught on camera killing some camel jockey, big deal. What about all of the footage we HAVEN'T seen of Americans being executed and drug through the streets and maimed? This whole argument makes me sick because the killing was JUSTIFIED....end of story. You want to bitch and whine about it then I suggest you pick up a weapon and see for yourself what our soldiers are going through. See how you would have reacted.
I'm done.
Posted by: roger at November 18, 2004 08:58 AM (g8ZKo)
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Ok, OK, if you're gonna fight, lets get this right. There was a time line in the video. Two days, I understand. the first part of the whole video shows the Marines taking the building, part of a Mosque, I believe. And it shows the Marines going in and making a sweep inside, picking up and stacking the individual's weapons. While it didn't show disposal, I'm sure they didn't just leave them there.
The second part is apparently a second platoon the next day with the same cameraman, or that's the first explanation I heard when the tape was shown on Fox the first ime. The Marines came in, discovering the wounded that had been there from the first day or incident, and having been exposed to exploding dead and injured the day before, took no chances.
Lessee, did the cameraman play any part here? He obviously knew from the first taping, that these people had been disarmed, he took pictures of it, so why didn't he say something? He also took it (the tape) first to Al Jazeera, so what's happening here?
And then one more thing for all of you Monday Morning Quarterbacks, have you ever known the fear and anger of Combat? Not a Fucking Chance! Or you wouldn't be saying shit or commenting either way about this incident. These are young men, 18 to 25 years old, sent to Iraq on their Senior Trip, getting to make life or death decisions in seconds. They can''t always be 100% right, it ain't humanly possible. And the way the game is played over there, well it ain't all fair on either side, so unless you have been there, shut the fuck up and cease the debate!
Posted by: large at November 18, 2004 09:47 AM (VRK2g)
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I am in full agreement of the above two posters' comments.
"nuff said.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 10:49 AM (ptOpl)
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Back in Desert Storm my squad was on a mission and lost radio comms while under sporadic and inaccurate sniper fire. I sent one team back to get some help. Within 10 minutes of them leaving a car filled with armed Iraqis stopped near our position and 5 armed men exited the car and proceeded towards us. We were probably unseen but after cautioning my men to hold their fire until I fired. I ordered the Iraqis to drop their weapons. Two did immediatly, two hesitated and the one with the RPG ran back to the car. I saw movement in the car as the Iraqi reached inside and someone sat up and passed him a bundle through the open window. In a split second I had to decide whether to shoot and kill someone who may not have understood my order or to risk the lives of the 4 men with me who had trained with me for 8 months. The decision I made then is on my mind everyday since then. I saw an armed man take an unidentified bundle from a car. I made the wrong decision then and I would never second guess someonelse's. These are the things you live with. Killing is a hell of a way to make a living.
Posted by: Bullshark at November 18, 2004 11:40 AM (O+Txs)
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Look. I don't care that the Marine shot that guy. Shoot them all. Just don't let the camera capture all of it on video tape. The shooter was himself wounded. So that is a pass for him.
His buddies should have noticed the large TV camera in the corner and thought, "Gee, this might not look right to some people not here". Grab the tape and move on. No one will care about one reporters' claim of 'crimes'.
This is both a shooting war and a propaganda war. It is not just important to do good, but we must also be seen as doing good.
Posted by: Bill Dautrive at November 18, 2004 11:52 AM (G95Uf)
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"This is both a shooting war and a propaganda war. It is not just important to do good, but we must also be seen as doing good."
Amen, brotha!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 18, 2004 01:56 PM (JQjhA)
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Considering the Defense Department is investigating the shooting, it's not as cut and dry as you might think. Also, while you might be citing the Geneva Convention as proof the soldier was in the right, the fact is that the U.S.'s own rules of engagement state that soldiers are authorized to use force when presented with a hostile act or hostile intent (i.e. self-defense -And when, in all of this GWOT, did the U.S decide it was going to follow the Geneva Convention anyways?) The fact that the insurgent was not armed would imply that the Marines were not in any immediate threat at that point. In other words, he violated the rules of engagment by killing an unarmed man. (frankly, why not capture him and interrogate him?)
Secondly, attempting to find blame in Sites is pretty pathetic. I mean, you can't defend the Marine by saying he did nothing wrong, and then turn around and say that Sites is at fault. If the Marine did nothing wrong, then Sites didn't do anything wrong by capturing it on video. Of course, you're probably agitated that the video portrays what actually happened: that a Marine stooped to the level of the kidnappers and killed someone in cold blood. And why be pissed off at a journalist for doing his job? In war, you have to be prepared to show the good with the bad.
Anyways, the government of GWB has taken the proactive step in launching an investigation to determine whether or not a court martial will be warranted. It looks like the Defense Department will determine what punishment is needed for this Marine's cowardly act.
Posted by: Venom at November 18, 2004 01:57 PM (dbxVM)
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IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.
cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at November 18, 2004 02:16 PM (D39Vm)
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It IS cut and dry! The Marine shot the enemy.
Case closed.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 03:16 PM (ptOpl)
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GEYROOSTER is 'bang on',plain and simple.Tell it like it is,cut to the chase,this is real,time to pull heads out of the sand,get with it, open up your mind.
Posted by: sopotamia at November 18, 2004 04:31 PM (s6TbO)
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"It IS cut and dry! The Marine shot the enemy.
Case closed."
So, why is the Defense Department investigating?
Posted by: Venom at November 18, 2004 04:35 PM (dbxVM)
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Because they don't wanna be blamed for NOT investigating. I haven't met or heard anyone that doesn't agree with the Marine, except maybe on THIS blog, which is usually comments from foreigners who stick their noses in where they don't belong.
The others are just anti-American, anti-war, bleeding heart lib's who'd rather stick up for the ragheads than our brothers.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 05:52 PM (ptOpl)
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"Because they don't wanna be blamed for NOT investigating."
That's your speculation, something you can't back up. All reports have stated that the Defense Department is investigating whether or not a crime was committed. Not to cover their asses.
It's funny that as soon as holes are poked in your fabrications, you immediately start foaming at the mouth and start talking about "bleeding heart libs." Is Donald Rumsfeld a "bleeding heart lib" because his department is opening an investigation? You ought to be proud that GWB's administration is trying to do the right thing here.
Posted by: Venom at November 18, 2004 05:59 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom: Have you ever served your country? If so, I doubt you would be spewing such bullshit. What would you have done? Let the fucker go so he could kill our soldiers another day or possibly when that Marine's back was turned?
Trouble today, is that so much of this shit is recorded and shown through various media sources. Then everyone and their mother is quick to point the finger and blame someone.
Had this been WW2 and we let everyone go like that, we'd all be dead.
Posted by: Laura at November 18, 2004 07:15 PM (ptOpl)
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An email from a Marine that is "there". Exactly what you have been saying. However, I haven't heard any explanation re the NBC tape getting into Arab hands?
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:34 AM
Subject: Incident in Iraq
FYI, helps to understand the environment.
John
I got this from a friend on base, it's worth reading.
Good Morning Everybody.
The following is an email from my son regarding the NBC report (with embedded reporter Kevin Sites), concerning the Marine who is being investigated for "murdering" the insurgent in Fallaja. I will be sending his mail to every news program's email I can find. I find it sickening that this Kevin Sites is even allowed to be embedded with our Marines, as this isn't the first report I've heard from him that took on a decidely unfriendly tone. My son also gave me permission to release it to anyone that wants to pass it on, as long as it remains unedited.
-- Darlene
PMM LCPL Gus
TS DET
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:27:55 -0800 (PST)
From: old tymer
Subject: The stories you don't hear...
This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does.
This is just one most don't hear:
A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with Ak-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives.
The Marines' remains are gathered by teary eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.
This is the story everyone hears:
A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insugent can be heard saying, "Mister,mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded.Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.
The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!" The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead.
Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for commiting a war crime. Unlawful killing.
And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, i too would have done the same.
For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.
For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.
I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the US military, or any other.
Sincerely,
LCPL Schmidt
USMC
Posted by: expat at November 19, 2004 07:31 AM (2+AnM)
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Anyone who condemns this Marine for doing his duty, along with the other anti-war lib's, can go the fuck to Canada. Or, if they think they can do a better job, strap up your boot laces, tote a gun, and go to Iraq. Then, let's see what you'd do with death staring you in the face.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 09:06 AM (ptOpl)
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Let the words ring true. GOD BLESS
Posted by: owoju at November 19, 2004 09:25 AM (N4SKL)
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GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND THE USA.
Posted by: owoju at November 19, 2004 09:28 AM (N4SKL)
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Laura:
What the fuck are you talking about? Can you not read? Where did I suggest that the right course of action would be to "let him go." In my original post, I said "(frankly, why not capture him and interrogate him?)"
And please, tell me what's bullshit about what I'm writing? The U.S. has its rules of engagement. If a soldier violates them, an investigation is required. What is so fucking hard to understand about this? GWB and Rumsfeld understand this. Are you saying they're in the wrong?
Posted by: Venom at November 19, 2004 09:34 AM (dbxVM)
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Venom, there are no rules in war! These soldiers are there in some of the worst and most dangerous situations that go beyond a "normal" war. These guys will dress up as civilians, Iraqi soldiers that are friendly to the US, they violate the rules by fighting inside the mosques.
The Marine saw the body movement. Yesterday, that same Marine let someone go and thea bastard had an explosive. He wasn't taking any chances the 2nd time. These are sneaky motherfuckers we're talking about. If the boot were on the other foot, the Marine would have been shot, no benefit of the doubt would be given.
After careful consideration, after hearing the shouts of the other soldiers that they guy was faking and may be armed, when the Marine indeed saw the movement, he did what he was trained to do, protect himself and the others.
I support Bush, but I don't agree with any investigation whatsoever. What benefit of the doubt was given to Armstrong, Bigley, Hensley and Hassan?
If this Marine is prosecuted, I have a bad feeling about all the backlash that's gonna be happening from media sources such as Bill O'Reilly, who promises to use whatever clout he's got to see to it that this Marine is not prosecuted.
This has taken away so much attention from the real issue: the war itself. To question the actions of soldiers that are there for US is ludicrous to me.
Sites should have been told to go fuck off by the Marines, once they knew he was filming. As a matter of fact, I think reporters should be banned from the war zone, period. Unless they want to pick up a gun and join in.
Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 01:51 PM (ptOpl)
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Laura:
There are rules in war. When you start ignoring them, you lower yourself to the level of those criminals who kidnap and murder civilians. And the U.S. HAS rules of engagement. YOU might not think there OUGHT to be rules in war, but that doesn't change the fact that there ARE.
Seriously, what was so difficult or jarring for the soldier to just capture this insurgent? The guy is fucking wounded! He's just lying there! Surround him and take him away! This insurgent might have provided some valuable info. Instead, he's dead, the Marine might do jail time, and it gives the whole campaign another black eye it doesn't need.
And what's with all the fucking nonsense in somehow trying to pin the blame onto the reporter? He was there doing his job, something the Marine wasn't. And if there's no reporters around, what makes you think shit like this won't surface anyways? Abu Ghraib ring a bell? No reporters there, and everyone knows about it.
I think (and please, correct me if I'm wrong) YOU're pissed off at the fact that the Marine did something wrong and the whole world knows about it. I mean, for people who have been trying to justify this war for months, saying that we are fighting criminals and an enemy who don't value human life the same way we do, an incident like this is pretty fucking sobering, don't you think?
Posted by: Venom at November 19, 2004 02:24 PM (dbxVM)
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Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit again. It's WAR man. Do the terrorists bastids follow any rules? Like how you're not supposed to hide in a place of worship?
I would think the soldiers are taught to use their best judgement with a situation such as this. This is not an episode of "Cops", where the officer would have to do everything necessary NOT to shoot the criminal.
As I've stated this same Marine was faced with the same situation just the day before and those same people waving white flags, dressed as civilians or Iraqi soldiers on the side of the Americans, are the very terrorists that would blow them all to smitherenes if they had half a chance. They would not give the same consideration we would. Shoot first, ask no questions later.
If the damned thing wasn't videotaped in the first place, we wouldn't even be arguing about it. I'm sure shit like this went on day in and day out in other wars.
Oh, and the marine should get a Silver Star. After all, John Kerry received one for doing the same thing the Marine did. In Viet Nam, he chased an enemy soldier around a hut, caught him, and shot him. No one investigated HIM.
Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 05:18 PM (ptOpl)
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Hey, if Kerry did the same thing, I'm surprised that GWB et al haven't opened an investigation.
Look, you can cry in your cornflakes all you want, but the fact is that if this was as you wish it was, the Defense Department wouldn't be investigating. In fact, you practically imply that the soldier did something wrong when you say: "If the damned thing wasn't videotaped in the first place, we wouldn't even be arguing about it. I'm sure shit like this went on day in and day out in other wars."
Answer me this question: if the Marine did nothing wrong, WHY is he being investigated? You can't answer this can you, not with any proof anyways. Sure, you can come up with unsubstantiated THEORIES, but at the end of the day, it's your OPINION versus the RULES and LAWS that American soldiers are REQUIRED to follow in war.
Sure, soldiers are taught to use their best judgement. But, that doesn't mean that they're completely absolved if they're fucking idiots do something wrong. I use my best judgement when I walk into a bank - should I be forgiven if I decide on a whim to hold it up? Of course not. Sure, the situations are incredibly different, but we all have rules and laws governing ourselves. The army is one of the most regimented and disciplined organizations in the world. It's not some fucking circus where people have carte blanche to do what they want. There's rules, and you follow them - and if you don't, there's hell to pay. Which is what this poor Marine is realizing now. Hey, if the investigation decides that he's done nothing wrong, fine. BUT, the point here is that clearly he did something that was WAY out of the ordinary (with proof), so they're going to look into it.
AND, you can't call the terrorists animals claiming that they don't follow rules, and then in the next breath say that it's ok for coalition soldiers to go ahead and do the same thing. If the insurgents are animals for doing this, wouldn't the soldiers be, too? It's pretty hypocritical to try and say both.
Posted by: Venom at November 19, 2004 06:11 PM (dbxVM)
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Yeah, but how come a video wasn't shown of this SAME Marine, who was hit with shit from an explosive another dirtbag threw his way, when he thought the bastid was unarmed? Same situation, different day. He "used his better judgement" that day and almost lost his life because he gave the shithead the benefit of the doubt.
No, but you don't see THAT video because there wasn't one. Why are you so hellbent on sticking up for the enemy? Could you be one?
Are you also one of the dopes that thinks this invasion of Iraq is an illegal one and that the soldiers deserve it because it's Bush's fault they were sent there?
You're just one of the bloggers on here that has nothing better to do than to try to argue their point, until it's a dead horse issue.
Case in point: I was slandered on another blog in here, and the idiot that couldn't win the debate finally resorted to sexist, vulgar and vile names and rantings because he couldn't get anyone to agree with him.
Don't turn into another COOQarUK from Bigley's blog. Better yet, hook up with him and you can both cry over how it's Bush's and Blair's fault this is all happening.
Nite.
Posted by: Laura at November 19, 2004 06:37 PM (ptOpl)
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VENOM: I would rather be wrong just like them than see American soldiers die to keep from being like them. They are relying on more people thinking as you do. Gives them an advantage and costs American lives. I do not put much value on the lives of terrorists and insurgents that torture, bomb and behead innocent people. They are not worthy of equality in my mind. Just rabid animals that need destroying. Nothing more.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 20, 2004 08:07 PM (ydtpC)
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Laura:
Could I be the enemy? Um, could you be a little more paranoid than you already are (I don't think so)? I see, if I disagree with your (misguided) opinion, I must be the enemy. I guess if anyone ever disagrees with you, they must be the enemy. Why do you equate this with support for troops in Iraq? We're talking about what might be an illegal killing. Of course it's getting a lot of attention, because it's been recorded what might be a VIOLATION of U.S. RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. This is why the Defense Department is investigating. I'm sorry if you don't understand this, despite my repeated attempts to explain.
"You're just one of the bloggers on here that has nothing better to do than to try to argue their point, until it's a dead horse issue."
Pot, meet kettle.
Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2004 10:09 AM (dbxVM)
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VEMON: KERRY LOST. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT IT?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 04:31 PM (BFaxF)
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greyrooster:
I accepted it on election night. In case you've forgotten already, I was never a Kerry supporter. I was also never a Bush supporter. My position the entire election campaign was of complete incredulity - as in, are these two best that America could come up with? If so, we're all in deep trouble.
Stop trying to draw the wrong conclusions.
Posted by: Venom at November 22, 2004 06:09 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom=traitor
Posted by: Laura at November 22, 2004 08:08 PM (ptOpl)
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Then why do you find fault with everything that America does? Everything Bush does? Everything pro American policy does.
No candidate, no stand, everything wrong. Shit man, call that living? What do you stand for besides and everybody wrong about every thing.
I usually can see what a poster stands for after reading one paragraph. I can't find anything you believe in or stand for except conplaining and taking the opposite side of everything.
As I said before, if someone says shit tastes bad you will take the other side.
Go back and read your past posts. Everything against. Nothing for. Is there anything you believe in besides retoric. Bored? in Jail? What is the problem?
I believe in America. I believe in my family. I believe in fishing. I believe in conservatism. I believe in the Marine Corps. In chocolate chip cookies. In beer. In chili. In Hooter's. Is there anything you believe in besides taking the opposite side of every fucking issue brought up? You've obviously got brains. But that doesn't mean you're not a nutcase. What a waste.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 22, 2004 10:32 PM (BFaxF)
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Meh, Laura just hates me because I shoot down all her theories and she can't back up shit. Laura, please tell me how I'm a traitor. Because you said so? Ok, umm....you're a traitor! Yeah, um...because *I* said so! Pretty rational argument, huh? Maybe you shouldn't drink when you're on the computer?
greyrooster: lol, you know, I think we actually have a lot of similar interests, but that's besides the point. This is a forum which appears to be about debating the GWOT, whatever that's become. I fully supported the war in Afghanistan, because it made sense. America is attacked, so the country harboring those terrorists gets attacked. I see nothing wrong with that.
This war...I'm still trying to find a validity to it. And, so I have to question it. It's not unpatriotic to sometimes question the decisions that are being made. This isn't a police state. When you have a war, whose pretense was ridding a threatening country (who weren't threatening, btw) of its WMDs (which didn't exist, despite all the detailed testimony by Rice, Cheney, Powell about types, sizes, numbers), and then there aren't any, I have to question the motives. When a president presides over one of the most stagnant economies in recent memory, and then claims the economy is "just fine," I have to question his sincerity. When a president has 9/11 happen on his watch, and then initally refuses to establish the Department of Homeland Security, I have to question his ability to keep America safe. Frankly, it's been one of the most disappointing presidencies that I can recall. And, when I hear this bullshit about some kind of Muslim conspiracy that they all want to kill us and blah blah blah, when evidence basically proves it's not true, then I have to voice my opinion. I think, grey, that you're using the correct terminology now: they're Islamofascists. It's not all Muslims, just those that want to impose their religion on the rest of the world. And it's being done by a pretty small fraction of those who practice the religion. In fact, they're acting more like criminals than Muslims. The fact that so many Muslim clerics have actually come out AGAINST the kidnappings and killings seems to get lost in all of this.
Anyhow, there are a LOT of things I do support, but these threads don't seem to be about talking about anything positive. It's all a bunch of bullshit rhetoric lambasting anything remotely critical of the Bush administration. Admit it, if ALL of the things I listed above happened during a Democrat's presidency, everyone here would be having a field day picking it apart. But, instead, everyone swallows this shit, smiles, and asks for more. Again, it's NOT UNPATRIOTIC to occasionally question what happens around you - and if it happens more frequently than occasionally, then so be it.
Posted by: Venom at November 23, 2004 09:41 AM (dbxVM)
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Venom, this is NOT an open forum or free speech zone. It is a personal blog set up by an individual. If you don't agree with the blogmaster's material or the bloggers that are posting, you don't have to come on here. Simple as that.
You find a blog where similar, terrorist loving, bleeding heart liberals post.
Theories, you say? What theories? I call it as I see it. I have people I lost on 9/11, and know some young soldiers over in Iraq fighting for the freedom for YOU to post your SHIT.
Right, wrong indifferent, we support our leader, or he wouldn't have been voted for another term, if so many people supposedly hate him. Thank God people like you are in the minority.
Reporters have no business in a war zone. They should have had their cameras smashed to the ground by the Marines.
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2004 12:23 PM (ptOpl)
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Laura, I get the feeling that you don't consider any forum you participate in a "free speech zone." Sure, it's Rusty's blog, but you're grasping at straws here. If you don't like my opinion, then fuck you. I'm not doing it for your approval. Frankly, you're without a doubt one of the most dimwitted people I've ever met, either in cyberspace or real life. You have no fucking grasp on reality and no ability to engage in a debate. You make these wild accusations with no evidence to back up shit, and when you're called on it you accuse the other person of being a "terrorist loving, bleeding heart liberal." Tell me how I'm "terrorist loving," you ignorant halfwit. Because I have a different opinion than you? Because when things don't look right, I inquire rather than eat shit, smile, and ask for more? You may like the taste of shit, but I don't.
Posted by: Venom at November 23, 2004 01:25 PM (dbxVM)
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Oh, and tell me how I'm a "bleeding heart liberal" while you're at it. Show me once where I've ever demonstrated this characteristic, outside of your own fantasy world, that is. Again, anyone who doesn't share your identical, fanatical viewpoint is "bleeding heart liberal." Give me a break. Being against a feeble-minded wannabe fascist like yourself doesn't make a person "liberal," only rational.
Posted by: Venom at November 23, 2004 01:51 PM (dbxVM)
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Anyone that thinks an investigation is called for regarding the Marine who shot the enemy is truly anti-American.
Why won't you give the soldier the benefit of the doubt? These savages we were fighting don't deserve just treatment because they would just as soon shoot us and not ask any questions later. This war is like no other. The insurgents don't follow any Geneva convention rules.
The only reason there IS an investigation is because journalists like Sites stick their noses in where they don't belong. If they want to enter a war zone, they should be prepared to fight as well.
OUr government now is "forced" to do an investigation to "do the right thing" and not piss off any more insurgents or enemies who have seen the video on Al Jazeera and are even more riled up than before. I have seen Al Jazeera's site, and it it totally biased toward their own country. What else would explain why they continued to show the Marine footage over and over, while Hassan's video wasn't given a mention or shown at all?!
I can't understand these bloggers on here who continue to call me and others stupid, dimwitted, misinformed, ignorant, whatever, yet continue to argue right along.
If we weren't intelligent enough for you, why continue the discussions with us?
Posted by: Laura at November 24, 2004 06:44 PM (ptOpl)
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"Anyone that thinks an investigation is called for regarding the Marine who shot the enemy is truly anti-American."
So, you're saying the Defense Department is anti-American, huh? Interesting.
"The insurgents don't follow any Geneva convention rules."
That's probably because they never signed it and aren't bound to follow the Geneva Convention. Actually, can you name me any Geneva Convention rules without having to use an Internet search engine?
"The only reason there IS an investigation is because journalists like Sites stick their noses in where they don't belong."
You mean because he was there doing his job? It was the army who allowed journalists to be embedded with U.S. troops. How is it that he's not supposed to be there when the military itself created the rules?
"I have seen Al Jazeera's site, and it it totally biased toward their own country."
What country is that?
"What else would explain why they continued to show the Marine footage over and over, while Hassan's video wasn't given a mention or shown at all?!"
Al-Jazeera has shown numerous captures of other hostages being killed. Have you forgotten this already? Also, if you actually HAD been on Al-Jazeera's site in the past, you'd probably know this. But, like everything else you write, you're just making shit up.
"If we weren't intelligent enough for you, why continue the discussions with us?"
I dunno. Partly out of my own amusement, partly because it's so easy to shoot down everything you write. And I call 'em like I see 'em, unlike you who would never question anything. Seriously, passing off opinions as if they were fact isn't exactly the best way to get someone to believe you, and makes it that much harder when questioned about it.
Posted by: Venom at November 30, 2004 01:00 PM (dbxVM)
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kick a baby vole
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