July 13, 2005

Sources of Homicidal Angst: The "Sodatic Zone" (Updated)

By Demosophist

OK, so who didn't fall in love with the Parminder Nagra character in Bend it Like Beckham? (If you didn't you're feakin' gay, man.) She's now a regular on ER, by the way. I know she's precisely the sort of tomboy that used to get my heart thumping when I was a ne'r-do-well kid in HS and College. (I mean, girly girls are "OK," but give me a girl who can kick a football or run a 100 meter dash any time.)

So having become susceptible to English Pakistani culture through such a sympathetic portrayal it's not all that comforting to see cute Jess's extended family as the perpetrators of the recent London bombings. [Note: Jess's family were Sikh rather than Muslim, as a reader embarassingly points out. See updates below for thoughts on how this changes the thesis.] And I imagine it's no easier for my UK brethren, who must have been similarly enthralled. I do not think that Islam is, by definition, a pathological religion. But I think some elements of Islamic culture might be pathological, and there is a "dirtly little secret" that is rarely discussed, except by an old friend of mine on a new blog called Jefferson State. An excerpt that's liable to ellicit a fatwa [with commentary]:

I grew up living among Muslims (or Mohammedans as we called them) in South Africa. Most of them don't take their religion too seriously and are actually fairly secular, materialistic and ambitious. They were known as "black Jews" in South Africa (a back-handed compliment but not an outright insult.)

But the fact is that the religion of Islam stinks. Mohammed was a scheming opportunistic weasel who married a rich old widow to further his ambitions. It is a primitive religion and, unlike Judaism and Christianity, has never had a Reformation. [Here's the key to the pathology, by the way.]

Our bible-thumpers may not be the most enlightened people in the world but so far they have not bombed anyone. It [Islam] is not a religion of kindness, mercy, forgiveness and love. Has everyone forgotten the video footage of Muslims cheering and celebrating in the streets of the mid-east after 9/11?

[It may, in fact, be a "religion of kindness, mercy, and love"... for Muslims, but reformed religions have generally arrived at the conclusion that "human" and "X" (Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc) are more or less synonyms, even though that conclusion isn't obviously or undeniably rational. It is a mark of reformation that humans are innately "of the faith" unless diverted by time and circumstance. That's what "reformation" means.]

The Muslims that I grew up with in South Africa live in a multicultural society and have had to adapt. Same goes for most of those whom I have known in the USA. [Jess, in Bend it Like Beckham is obviously assimilated, which is why she's also attractive. She's a-Muslim.]

In the Middle East, however, they live in practically homogenous societies and are arrogant and medieval. Sadly that applies to many in the UK too where they are not really ever accepted as British and live in ghettoes. It seems that, if their religion and culture are never challenged, they can happily go about being reactionary dinosaurs.

[OK, so what's the thesis of Bend It Like Beckham? Is it not the confrontation between western and medieval values, and the fact that the former tends to win out over the latter for the obvious reason that it's better-atuned to human nature? Why would anyone choose Submission, unless they had a rather peculiar and restrictive image of women?]

Last zinger: One of the major causes of dysfunctionality of middle-eastern culture is seldom talked about because it is controversial and distasteful. [Boy, is it ever!] As much as the Muslims hate gays, they have a dirty little secret - many are pederasts.

Richard Burton (no, not Mr. Elizabeth Taylor - I mean the explorer and translator of Thousand and One Nights) called the mid-east and Mediterranean the Sodatic Triangle because of the wide-spread practice of pederasty.

Muslim boys are molested by older males from an early age. Is Islamic culture pathological because of the sexual abuse of its little boys who then grow up to be vicious, sado-masochistic and corrupt?

Bernard Lewis has made the observation that "What Went Wrong" with Islam has its origins in the suppression of women. Anyone who has investigated the culture of the Mafia knows that they place women on an unnatural pedestal, and that this separation of female and male nature feeds the sociopathic aspects of Mafia culture. What is not recognized is that Sicily is but the northern boundary of the "sodatic zone," and that the dysfunction is entrenched to a far greater extent in the Middle East.

Note also that this practice is no more "Islamic" than the dysfunction in Sicilian life is "Christian." It's the result of a cultural evolution that actually transcends religion, and perpetuates precisely because it is never expressed or discussed. The "evil" is the result of or consequence of denial, as much as praxis. It doesn't require pederasty to manifest, but simply the asymmetrical and unnatural regard for women as "special and untouchable" creations. Pederasty is a consequence of such an attitude, but a consequence that, in turn, produces genuinely vicious results. Although Patrick doesn't say as much, it is this that really lies behind the social dysfunction he's talking about. It isn't entirely unlike "prison culture" if you require a modern parallel.

Young Muslim men ought to find women like Jess Bhamra, the heroine of Bend it Like Beckham irresistible, but instead they find such women threatening. This is a tragedy, with consequences that, though unintended, are not inconsequencial. We saw the results in the London transit system over the past week. If mainstream media leaves you with the impression that such a consequence is inexplicable it's because they're not comfortable talking about reality.

Update 1: A reader, Alf, points out in the comments a rather embarassing mistake: Jess's family in Bend It were Sikh, not Muslim. Oops! This is almost inexcusable since the Sikhs and Muslims have been involved in a low-level war for decades in Kashmir. Demonstrates what can happen if you get too enchanted with your own rhetoric, I guess.

But there's some value in noting that the chief difference between the Sikh and Muslim attitude toward women, which are both "traditional," involves the veil. Sikhism hasn't had a huge problem making it into the 20th Century. You can find Kettle Chips in almost any grocery store in the US, which was a product introduced by the Sikh community in Salem, Oregon. My grad school produces several very fine Sikh MBAs with every graduating class. So the issue isn't merely "traditional values," but something more insidious. It involves something so threatening to Islamic culture that exposing it to any degree, as did Theo van Gogh in Submission, is an intolerable trespass.

Update 2: Another reader, Kstumpf, points out that Muslims don't so much place women on a pedestal as relegate them to a dark room where they serve limited purpose. While that's certainly true, the notion of a pedestal isn't simple. The thesis of Betty Friedan's book The Feminine Mystique, for instance, was that placing women on a pedestal also demotes them to the periphery of the culture. But "the veil" is an extreme version of that mystique, implying not only that women are different and off limits, but that they're also unclean. (For instance a Muslim man won't sleep in a bed that has been previously occupied by a woman not his wife.) It's a pointedly abusive form of mystique, which was the point of van Gogh's film. And it's little wonder that the attraction to an opposite gender viewed as both mysterious (and therefore intriguing) and also foul, translates into a higher incidence of the rape of little boys. It's not a difficult equation to suss out.

Update 3: Jefferson State has posted the entirety of a 2001 article by Jamie Glazov from Front Page Magazine on "The Sexual Rage Behind Islamic Terror". There's also a related post by Wretchard at The Belmont Club: The Return of the Ripper.

Posted by: Demosophist at 09:54 PM | Comments (12) | Add Comment
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1 The Truth You Will Not Hear from the LL and the MSM This is the truth you will not hear anytime soon from the LL and MSM. They're too busy churning the water like sharks in a feeding freenzy on a chum line re the Rove Affair - a much ado about nothing while the world is at war. See these posts and follow the links for more things you won't here from the LL and the MSM. There are great posts at Normblog, The Daily Demarch, and other enligthened thoughts coming from the UK. There is no need for apologists here: Link here

Posted by: Ron Wright at July 14, 2005 12:10 AM (0XTbN)

2 Ron: No links there.

Posted by: Oyster at July 14, 2005 05:38 AM (YudAC)

3 One slight problem, Rusty. The Indian (not Pakistani) family in Bend it Like Beckham are Sikhs not Muslims. Other than that...

Posted by: Alf at July 14, 2005 07:53 AM (Zwsx5)

4 I have never thought of the behavior towards women in the Middle East as putting them on a pedistal. It seems to me, they put them in a dark room, and serve only to perpetuate the race, and cook. I have also heard for quite a while, befor 9/11 that Arab men are into buggary, and rape young men and boys.

Posted by: Kstumpf at July 14, 2005 09:23 AM (GImrl)

5 Pederasty is common in the Arab world, and is well documented. Why do you think muslim men are so screwed up? Most of them get used like women up until they can fight back. It's no wonder they hate everyone.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:22 AM (0yYS2)

6 Hmmm, after making the last post, it came to me that DSM and greg also hate everyone... Bite pillows much when young, fellows? Cry much at night?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:29 AM (0yYS2)

7 Thx Oyster. Sorry gang. I guess my hard coding on the fly missed some HTML somewhere. Anway here's the complete URL to this post at Roger L. Simon's and you can follow the links from there. http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/07/the_big_filter.php#c58908 Hot Link I Hope Here's a little humor for your afternoon. A weapon against Islamofascist suicidal bombers: Here's the URL in case I screw up again: http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007174.php#c39 Hot Link

Posted by: Ron Wright at July 14, 2005 03:33 PM (6Aikz)

8 Kstumpf, You forgot about the mine clearing duty during times of war that the Middle Eastern women perform.

Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2005 04:17 PM (Gqhi9)

9 YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG U FUKING DICKHEAD HOW DARE U TALK ABOUT MY RELIGION LIKE THAT, YOU LOT ARE ALL STEREOTYPE'S. THERE ARE BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ARAB, BUT OTHER ORGIN (E.G PAKISTANI, INDIAN, MALAYSIAN, AFRICAN AND OTHERS) SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT UNLESS YOU KNOW WAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT

Posted by: kafil shah at July 17, 2005 04:21 AM (rZgoc)

10 I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU...... APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE MUSLIMS KILLED WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS? OK, NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE AMERICANS, JEWS AND ALL NON MUSLIM PEOPLE KILLED? OK, WHEN TSUNAMI HAPPENED APPROX 300000 PEOPLE LOST THERE LIVES, IT WAS A VERY BIG THING BUT, 9/11 2000 DIED AND IT WAS LIKE THE BIGGEST FUKING FING EVER AND WAT ABOUT AFRICA? YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MUSLIMS ANGRY. AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE STEREOTYPICAL BECAUSE NOT ALL MUSLIM ARE WHAT YOU TTHINK THEY ARE. THERE ARE AROUND 1 BILLION MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD AND IN MY TRUE OPINION I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY AN EXTREMELY SMALL MINORITY WHO ARE WHAT YOU SAY THEY ARE. (SO YEAH YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT MUSLIMS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT) AND I FOR ONE CONDEMN AND HATE TERRORISM, THE PEOPLE OR THE 'MUSLIMS' DO THIS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND CANNOT BE EVEN CALLED MUSLIM BY US. WE GOOD MUSLIMS ABSOLUTELY THINK THIS IS WRONG, BUT YOU PEOPLE MAKE US DOWN WITH YOUR WRONG VEIW TOWARDS US. SORRY IF I SWORE AT YOU I WAS JUST A BIT ANGRY (SORRY)

Posted by: KAFIL SHAH at July 17, 2005 04:29 AM (rZgoc)

11 Islam is a moronic and medieval cult. The barbarians who routinely murder innocent women and children (especially their own muslims) and who cut off innocent peoples heads often chant Allah Akhbar (God is great) while doing this. It should be obvious that there is no properly organised condemnation of this type of barbarism from the muslim hierarchy. The morons who do these acts believe that they are doing them for "Islam". Islam is not a religion, but rather a barbarous and blood soaked primitive cult. Its main premise is stupidity of the most violent kind.

Posted by: The Enlightened One at July 31, 2005 07:45 AM (Sj/oH)

12 Actually, much as I hate to admit it, youre right.

Posted by: Allah at August 08, 2005 06:44 AM (Sj/oH)

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