(Lahore, Pakistan) The son of Muhammad and Nazo Afzal, Asif, saw his sister, Sumera, in an intimate circumstance with cousin Zeeshan and became enraged. Asif suspected for a while that his sister was having an affair with cousin Zeeshan and, seeing them together, he decided to do something about it. Asif
and shot Sumera in the head.
Sumera was rushed to the hospital, but couldn't be saved. Nazo and Zeeshan went to the police to register a case against Asif. It's not clear whether anything will happen to Asif for the murder. I haven't heard of many perpetrators of honor killings being punished in Pakistan.
Nevertheless, it appears that it's more honorable to have a murderer in the family than an lovemaker.
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... with COUSIN Zeeshan? First cousins are illegal even in Usa, as far as I know, so actually it appears (they think) its more honorable to have a murderer in the family than a sukurutsari, whatever the word is in English. In which case, if it truly was an affair leading to inbreeding, I agree a murderer is less shameful.
Posted by: A Finn at August 17, 2005 05:34 AM (cWMi4)
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Lol. Results from a "Which country would you delete if you could" in a very Finn-infected site.
Usa,Usa,America,Usa, etc. ,then someone said "Ok, you can't drop Usa, since they make a lot of games"
After: Sweden, Russia, Sweden, Sweden, Russia, then someone said "The games ain't that good, Japs and Brits make better" and again: Usa,Usa,America,Usa. Then someone said Finland and everyone after that: Sweden, Sweden, Sweden... (not difficult to guess it was a Swede).
My point is? ...ummm, spam? Ok, I got it:
Attitudes towards stuff are easy to swing when they are hate-based. Just takes a provided necessity or new target. (my presence is not for this purpose, even if some hateswings may have moved my way) It is actually the main population control method. "Don't hate us, hate those guys, since we're sending your kids and siblings to fight them / their economy is better and sucks all your money to supporting our collapsing one / they threaten our status as world police by uniting in a orderly fashion..."
Indeed, my post quality is awful nowadays. Probably because of a sudden loss of interrest in politics after I started reading blogs...
Posted by: A Finn at August 17, 2005 06:33 AM (cWMi4)
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Finn, first of all, you're an idiot, and you obviously enjoy being so. Second, almost everyone in the muslim world is married to their cousin. I know a Pakistani grocer who is married to his first cousin, and their parents were first cousins, as well as their grandparents. His wife told me how in the muslim world,(read: backward, tribal, primative), it's considered preferable to marry one's cousin, because that way no inter-clan or inter-tribal wars can erupt if the couple has an argument. Let me put it like this: They. Are. Primative. Savages.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 17, 2005 10:08 AM (0yYS2)
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Finn
That conversation which took place on the internet was made possible by the US who gave the internet to the world for free. I suppose we should have charged to keep out the rif raf.
BTW - Our games rock, so bite me.
Posted by: Defense Guy at August 17, 2005 10:28 AM (jPCiN)
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Not to mention that Finn thinks murder is preferable to marrying a cousin. [sigh]
For the most part, if anyone is punished *at all* for an honor killing in many Muslim countries the punishment is light. I've read cases where they went to jail for two or three months.
Posted by: Oyster at August 17, 2005 10:32 AM (fl6E1)
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"Nevertheless, it appears that it's more honorable to have a murderer in the family than an lovemaker."
the islamic world needs a good dose of liberalism and feminism. Make love not war.
Posted by: actus at August 17, 2005 11:48 AM (nYnig)
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more here:
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/08/whats-causing-muslim-nations-to-have.html
and here:
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/08/muslim-demography-continued-polygamy.html
these recent posts of mune relate demogrphoic data to ilamic misogyny, polygamy, and "honot killings."
i conclude that: (a) if islam says it "honotable" to murder a female family member, OF COURSE they're gonna approve of murdering "infidels" (whuch includes many muslims!); and (b) that the misogynistic social customs of islam are apparent in all sorts of demographic data which demonstrate how pervasive the problem is.
Posted by: reliapundit at August 17, 2005 12:43 PM (eevsQ)
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Is it just my imagination, or did Finn used to make more sense in the old days?
Finn, have you been hanging around with some new friends this summer? Perhaps the kind of boys your mom and dad really donÂ’t want you to play with?
I hope you get back on track when school starts again. Once the first snows of September come, you should be up in your room studying like lst year.
Posted by: Brad at August 17, 2005 01:12 PM (3OPZt)
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A FINN did make more sense some time ago.
I told A FINN to quit taking those cheap Russian drugs months ago. He obviously didn't listen.
Who said they were 1st cousins? could they have been 2nd cousins? Some instruction in genetics and a stick would have achieved the same results.
She must have forced Zeeshan as he didn't get shot.
Just a reminder. Several years ago there was a case in the newspaper of a black man in Detroit on welfare that not only impregnated his daughter. but also his grand daughter. What happened? He was charged, given probation and increased the families welfare check. Does the A FINN solution apply here?
Posted by: greyrooster at August 17, 2005 05:45 PM (CBNGy)
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GreyRooster: Hmm... I think it does.
Brad: No, I'm not hanging out with loonies.
Defense Guy: Internet was built during the Cold War to make a connection network for your spies since the phones and satellites and such were spied on by the Soviets. So of course it was given for free, who would pay for another countrys spynetwork? And there was no way you could've kept it to yourself and monitored it, it got way too big way too fast... but that's not a bad thing, since now anyone in countries with no interrest in protecting foreign copyrights can get pointless entertainment in digital form, without the need to support it's creators with precious Euros/whatever, right after and sometimes before it's in stores or theaters.
Posted by: A Finn at August 18, 2005 05:17 AM (cWMi4)
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