Not that we predicted this or anything. Remember, we are
. This was a joint report, meaning the Italians
to be on board with the findings. We will update this post later as the official report is due out sometime today.
Now you'll excuse me while I go celebrate. Hat tip Seeker.
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This is PROOF of a cover up.
/channeling a moonbat
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 09:13 AM (8e/V4)
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That's right, Carlos. And it's all because there is still a mystery regarding how fast the unreported, unknown-to-US troops vehicle (that did not stop at the flashing lights/warning shots) was going. Regardless of these "facts" discovered, if the US military is wrong about just one piece of the entire jigsaw puzzle, that means Sgrena could obviously be 100% right about everything and we should all be thankful that she survived those 300-400 shots that all entered through the same 3 holes.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 14, 2005 09:42 AM (Wsn+K)
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Knew it
Posted by: sparky at April 14, 2005 09:51 AM (F1nba)
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I'm not surprised by the verdict. Everyone knows that all 100,000 innocents killed by the Americans in Iraq was just due to an honest mistake. One after another after another.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 10:08 AM (/+dAV)
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>>>in my worst Dr. Evil impersonation>>>
Greg, you mean all one-billion GAZILLION innocents! buahaha!
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 10:11 AM (8e/V4)
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Yes Greg.... we know. Now won't you go with the nice men in the white uniforms. They will talk with you and one may even have a lollipop.
Posted by: traderrob at April 14, 2005 10:15 AM (3al54)
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Of course they let them go. Those guys have no guts, they shoot everyone they see because they're so scared. All killing in there counts as accidents happening in temporary insanity.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 10:20 AM (lGolT)
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More of your fantasies Greg.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 14, 2005 10:20 AM (xauGB)
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A Finn,
that's a new twist. To the Left, our GIs have always been just plain ol murderers. Now they're gutless murderers.
But you support the troops. Which according to Collin simply means you want those gutless murderers to come home with their tails between their legs and the complete failure of their mission. Support the troops indeed.
Just tell the truth. Stop lying to the American people about what you Leftists really believe. Not here on this blog. Here it doesn't count for shit what you believe, because we already know. I mean in public, on the airwaves. TELL THE TRUTH.
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 10:26 AM (8e/V4)
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Civilian casualties are always higher than the official reports. Since enemies there don't wear uniforms they are hard to identify dead, after some gutless baby who just got into the army gets into a gunfight, goes into shock and starts shooting at everything with rags on its head.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 10:37 AM (lGolT)
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Carlos,
Just giving you the heads up - A Finn is an 8th grade student.
I don't believe the Americans soldiers tried to specifically murder Sgrena. I think we have a bunch of poorly organized scared kids with twitchy fingers. If it moves shoot it is the motis operandi. These "accidental" shootings probably occur on a daily basis.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 10:41 AM (/+dAV)
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Personally, I don't care shit about people getting killed or killing in some friggin desert thousands of miles away. I'd like to see more topics like "Cat hunting may be legalized in Wisconsin"
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 10:45 AM (lGolT)
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Poorly organized scared kids with twitchy fingers... I thought those were the terrorists. Oh dear, I must be confused again! I guess all that training, command structures, and systematic deployment stuff the US does fooled me.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 14, 2005 10:45 AM (Wsn+K)
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Dangit, I'm not an 8th grader... And whatever training noobs in combat get before the real action is blown away right that instant when they hear the first gun shot. People like gulf war veterans would be more trustworthy in that war, they shouldn't freak out every time they feel their life is threatened, unless they took in some nerve gas on their last visit.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 10:50 AM (lGolT)
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Why do you send young people to combat when you got jails full of Vietnam veterans? Send em there, no one needs them, they don't have their whole lives ahead of them, and they have combat exp, so if they kill civilians, you can just send em back to jail.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 10:52 AM (lGolT)
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So every soldier in Iraq is a noobie? Some have been there longer than any Gulf War vet had been in Iraq...
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 14, 2005 10:53 AM (Wsn+K)
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A Finn: my bad.
Wineaholic: "Poorly organized" in that the Sgrena car had already cleared 2 US checkpoints on the way to the airport and the information apparently was not passed on. That's bad communication.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 10:53 AM (/+dAV)
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I am pretty sure Greg is really Ward Churchill. They speak the same moonbat jibberish.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 10:59 AM (yBHNA)
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Would "bad communication" apply for not coordinating movements with the US military, or for failing to stop at a checkpoint when requested (in a country with suicide car bombers) too? Hell, I can "pass" multiple checkpoints onto and within my local Navy base, but I usually don't do it by just running by the guards at any point...
Posted by: Wine-aholic at April 14, 2005 11:02 AM (Wsn+K)
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Thanks for the compliment Filthy. Where have you been man? All that foul talk on this blog didn't scare you away did it?
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:02 AM (/+dAV)
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I'll say one thing for you Finn, ..Your posts are always interesting.
I kind of have a sense where most of these people are going to come down on different issues. You Finn...No clue.. It's always worth the read. It is interesting to get your perspective.
Now, get back to your studies son. If you don't pass Drivers Education this time, your going to have to get your snow shoes out and walk to school.Your parents are tired of driving you!
Posted by: Brad at April 14, 2005 11:06 AM (ywZa8)
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Wino - there was no "running by the guards" thhe car was stopped some 45 meters in front of the check point.
The proper course of action when the Sgrena car was stopped at the first check point would have been to provide the car an American escort for the jaunnt to the airport.
But apparently the Americans are not that well organized.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:06 AM (/+dAV)
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Actually Greg, I have been working. Not being a liberal pansy means having to work for a living.
All those poor innocent terrorsts the Evil US Military has killed. Saddam only butchered his own people so.... we should not have bothered.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 11:06 AM (yBHNA)
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In other news: Finland recieved its biggest refugee load ever in the year 2004: amazing, absolutely stunning amount of slightly over 3600 people, mostly Somalian, some from former Jugoslavia area and Romania.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 11:09 AM (lGolT)
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Well, welcome back. Everyone dearly missed you and we can't wait until guest blog on this site as Rusty has promised.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:09 AM (/+dAV)
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Well, welcome back. Everyone dearly missed you and we can't wait until you guest blog on this site as Rusty has promised.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:10 AM (/+dAV)
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Don't need the snow shoes anymore, wellies are more suitable now. Sunshine, some stupid magpies having sex outside on a treebranch, 20 C and since the ground is all muddy I'll be here for a while. (Seriously, those darn things have been at it for half an hour now)
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 11:21 AM (lGolT)
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I put this on the other thread, but it seems to fit here too.
To those that are taking the word of Sgrena, what do you make of the fact that she kept changing her story?
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 14, 2005 11:31 AM (jPCiN)
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http://www.charismanow.com/a.php?ArticleID=10931
President Bush Tells Reporters About His 'Walk With Christ'
NAME DROPPER! Too bad Bush wasn't "healed" by the Christ.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:33 AM (/+dAV)
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"To those that are taking the word of Sgrena, what do you make of the fact that she kept changing her story?" -DG
I don't necessarily take her word. When being fired at and going into the "am I going to die?" mode ones perceptions no doubt are blurred.
But still, after thir car crossed the first checkpoint they should have been escorted to the airport by American forces or the Americans should have at least radioed ahead to inform those down line. The Italians are after all our 4th largest ally.
Clearly sloppy work on the part of the Americans.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:40 AM (/+dAV)
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oops, Italy is the 3rd largest ally
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:48 AM (/+dAV)
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Don't mind allies, just get UN approval for all your operations and you'll have the Finnish Army to do everything for you.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 11:53 AM (lGolT)
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A Finn: God help us if we have to rely on the Finnish Army. Maybe when we attack Sweden we'll seek the help of your countrymen.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 11:58 AM (/+dAV)
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Clearly, some of our soldiers need some more time on the firing range. That Commie harpy should have been dead.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 12:06 PM (yBHNA)
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Yeah, perhaps re-unleashing Finns to the battle fields of the world would be a devastating thing for human rights protectors as the bloodthirsty hordes from the north would ravage the lands and turn towns into rubble leaving nothing but women and children alive as they pass through Rus.. I mean, Iraq.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 12:14 PM (lGolT)
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I admit that if she would have died, those guys would have had much less trouble.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 12:16 PM (lGolT)
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"Everything you thought you knew about Conservatism is wrong!", first time I saw the site motto, a surprise, see ya.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 12:22 PM (lGolT)
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Unleash the Fins? Why... so they can make the rest of the planet stink like herring?
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 12:36 PM (yBHNA)
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I have to admit I wish Sgrena would've got her head sawed off by the jihadist instead of rescued. I'm not proud of it, I'm just saying she is a vile sickening human being. I wouldn't have shed any tears.
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 12:50 PM (8e/V4)
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I bet Sgrena faked the whole thing to get laid.
Posted by: Ob Snooks at April 14, 2005 12:57 PM (yBHNA)
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What the heck is a... oh, silakka/siika. If you unleash fins you most likely get a fishy smell. If the Finnish army is allowed to participate freely in military activities around the world, then the world will be a much more peaceful yet less populated place. Since I'm going to the army next year, we might meet in a war zone if the unleashing happens and you join your Navy and get sent to... let's say North-Korea.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 12:59 PM (lGolT)
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The Fins are a cute and amusing people, but they fought hard against the Soviets, even if they eventually lost.
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 01:01 PM (8e/V4)
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Looking forward to such events, so join the Navy, your greatgrandmother would have wanted it.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 01:01 PM (lGolT)
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The fins are a pasty, fish smelling happy people and I am pleased to know a good many of them.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 01:14 PM (yBHNA)
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I have no particular problem with the Finns, although I suspect the whole country is just some horrible marketing propaganda. I mean has anyone actually seen Finland. No, I suspect that is what the French call themselves while abroad.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 14, 2005 01:25 PM (jPCiN)
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Hey, we didn't lose to the Soviets, we kept them out of our country in the 2 wars at the times of WW2. We didn't start em, the first one was just a Soviet invasion attempt and the other was getting stuck in a situation where we had to fight the Nazis or the Soviets, and since we went fighting the Soviets, other Allied declared war on us too, so we killed about a million Soviets, made peace and turned on the Germans, had to pay the rebuilding of both and just declared to be neutral in all future wars.
A fin is something fish have on their backs, a Finn is a person living in Finland.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 01:27 PM (lGolT)
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The French are too proud of themselves to say they are from another country. Finland exists to you at about the same level as some place called Houston exists to me, yet it doesn't mean the place is just a myth stuck in your mind.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 01:30 PM (lGolT)
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"A fin is something fish have on their backs, a Finn is a person living in Finland"
And the difference is...?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 01:39 PM (x+5JB)
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Perhaps, A Finn, perhaps. But how do you know that you are not just a myth stuck in my mind.
I assure you sir, Houston, is as real as you or me. Well me anyway.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 14, 2005 01:39 PM (jPCiN)
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"Houston exists to me, yet it doesn't mean the place is just a myth stuck in your mind."
Don't take offense, Texicans--I think Finn was just getting philosophical here.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 02:02 PM (x+5JB)
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Finland is a fine, fine place. I was only joking, to which I must remember to add appropriate tags next time.
Now France on the other hand is still a cesspool, IMO of course.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 14, 2005 02:08 PM (jPCiN)
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"I sincerely hope that the kidnappers are brought to trial."
"Um, I sincerely hope that all Finns are brought to trial."
"Er, I mean, I sincerely hope that the kidnappers of Greyrooster's missing Finnish URL are brought to trial."
"That is, I sincerely hope that Greyrooster's URL is brought to a Finnish trial by kidnappers."
"Okay, what I really mean to say that I sincerely hope that Greyrooster is brought to trial by Finnish kidnappers before his URL becomes missing."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 02:15 PM (x+5JB)
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YBP
If greyrooster lost his Finnish URL, it's his responsibility to find it. Maybe he shouldn't drink so much.
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 14, 2005 02:23 PM (jPCiN)
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Defense Guy: Colon Babbler claims its missing. No one really knows what the hell he's talking about.
But I concur--the Greyrooster needs to lay off the firewater. You'd never catch me drinking in the day. (Hic)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 02:31 PM (x+5JB)
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Anyone making fun of Finnish military prowess has indeed never read the history of the Winter War.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at April 14, 2005 02:45 PM (xauGB)
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The toppling of SaddamÂ’s statue two years ago was a staged event, from start to finish, pulled off with tight camera angles (masking the paucity of the crowd) and the logistical and military support of American troops, who had just rolled into Baghdad. There are at most 200 Iraqis present who were obviously bussed in for the photographers.
It is instructive to note that the same square was filled the other day by tens of thousands of Iraqis demanding that the U.S. leave Iraq forthwith.
Compare juxtaposed pictures of the 2 events:
http://rising-hegemon.blogspot.com/2005/04/two-years-later.html
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 02:52 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg, just shut yer loonie yap.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 03:08 PM (yBHNA)
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Bill Clinton Blew up the Oklahoma Fed Building to take the focus off of him being a redneck dumbass.
Posted by: Obsnooks at April 14, 2005 03:09 PM (yBHNA)
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Obsnooks: Bill Clinton was NOT a redneck!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 03:12 PM (x+5JB)
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Ohhhhhhhh.... (wackwackwackwackwackwack)
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Rusty(gasp).......drool....(pant)....(gulp)
Thanks Dude.
Posted by Happy FIlthy Allah at April 5, 2005 07:16 PM
Towel off Filthy!
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 03:16 PM (/+dAV)
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Wow, I'm gone for one afternoon and I come back to find 60 comments. Did I miss anything?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 14, 2005 03:24 PM (JQjhA)
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Greg....you are one sick young shaver. Pull your pants up boyo...No-one needs to see your bad luck.
Posted by: Earl Dittman at April 14, 2005 03:28 PM (yBHNA)
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I admit it. Yes, I smacked one out to the God Like vision of Scott Baio that Rusty was kind enough to share with mine eyes.
It isn't dirty.... It is....be-u-ti-full.
Its not like I smack one out to old issues of Boys Life like Greg.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 14, 2005 03:31 PM (yBHNA)
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Earl Dittman,
If you had a second brain you'd be a half-wit.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 03:31 PM (/+dAV)
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Dear God Lad. Clinton is the king of all rednecks. The back of the idiots neck looks like a pack of hotdogs.
Hillary is probably related to him.
Posted by: ob snooks at April 14, 2005 03:33 PM (yBHNA)
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Ahhh But Greg, at least I am not rubbing it out to Boys Life.
Did you charge your Nambla Membership to Visa or Amex?
Posted by: Earl Dittman at April 14, 2005 03:35 PM (yBHNA)
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The Finnish army back then:
45'000 men with weapons from home, 250'000 riflemen, some with horses, most of the infantry didn't even have uniforms, 13 tanks, 114 small planes, artillery rounds during the whole war matched what Russians used in a day
The Russian army used in that war back then:
600'000 men with modern machine guns and uniforms, over 2000 tanks, over 1000 combat airplanes, huge amounts of artillery
Winter War was a great example of Russias armys crappy tactics. They always attacked in huge groups, so all explosives did heavy damage. They were always disheartened when there were heavy casualties (meaning tens of thousands of Russians in one day), and if you took out the leading officers, they killed the ones that took their place and lost all sense of tactics. In the winter, Finns had a huge advantage. Skiing behind enemy lines through the high snow to sneak attack on their supply lines and reinforcements slowed down their advance and often created a "motti"-situation, where they were stuck in the mud or snow or in a mine field and got massacred by Finns attacking from both sides. Since they had no discipline after the officers were dead, they didn't take the heavy artillery and tanks out of gas with them, so retreating Russians pretty much provided all Blitzkrieg equipment for the Continuation War after Hitler started fighting the Soviet Union.
The aftermath for Winter War was 1 dead Finn for every 10 dead Russians, and on the wounded it was 1:8.
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 03:35 PM (lGolT)
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Filthy,
When you fantasize about Scott Biao you imagine him as he was on Happy Days - 13 years old.
Pedophile!
Your neighbors should be informed that they live next to a potential child molester.
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 03:35 PM (/+dAV)
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"Anyone making fun of Finnish military prowess has indeed never read the history of the Winter War.", Robin Roberts.
...so thats why its for
Posted by: A Finn at April 14, 2005 03:37 PM (lGolT)
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Earl Dittman,
The other day I asked you why you weren't serving your country since your so fired up about this war. You never answered. I think it's because you're a cowardly Chickenhawk.
P.S. I'm happy that you and Filthy are going steady now. I hope you two lovers enjoy each other very much
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 03:39 PM (/+dAV)
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Serving my country right now young boy.
Go smoke some more weeeeeeed.
Posted by: Earl Dittman at April 14, 2005 03:41 PM (yBHNA)
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"Serving my country right now young boy." -Earl Diddleman
How's that, by shining the chrome on Filthy's tail pipe?
Join up Chickenhawk!
Posted by: greg at April 14, 2005 03:44 PM (/+dAV)
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Boy, leave it to Finn to come up with statistics in the middle of a verbal war.
Filthy: You called Clinton a redneck dumbass. I was only questioning the FIRST noun.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 04:00 PM (x+5JB)
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Greg: "Your neighbors should be informed that they live next to a potential child molester."
POTENTIAL! Do not hurt the great Filthy's feelings with this slur, offendi.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 14, 2005 04:02 PM (x+5JB)
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A Finn
Your countries honor is being trashed over at BA. I think you should go talk to Jeff about that.
"FINLAND: Out to Find You by Goth rockers Bloodpit. Guitarist Pavvo Pekkonen claims John Lennon told him to form band in dream. 2 members claim to have been in Finnish army, if there is such a thing."
Although I think his mocking is done in love.
http://beautifulatrocities.com/archives/2005/04/top_of_the_pops_2.html#comments
Posted by: Defense Guy at April 14, 2005 04:27 PM (jPCiN)
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How many more journalists have to be shot at over there in Iraq?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 14, 2005 06:26 PM (FV4oJ)
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Collin,
as many as it takes.
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 06:34 PM (8e/V4)
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Without jounralists, atrocities will go unreported.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 14, 2005 07:03 PM (FV4oJ)
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You don't need journalists to report atrocities.
Just make them up out of whole cloth.
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 07:11 PM (8e/V4)
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When Goliath goes blind to what his feet are stomping on, Goliath will fall down.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 14, 2005 07:38 PM (FV4oJ)
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Collin,
the military is better informed than journalists are. The GIs are there, boots on the ground.
Journalists are only there to report to us peons back home all the negative, like explosions KABOOM!, because that's what makes headlines and sells papers.
Yes, occasionally some journalist gets a tipoff. But it's not like he's going to give our military the heads up.
So essentially they serve no purpose other than helping Zarqawi get his propaganda out.
Posted by: Carlos at April 14, 2005 07:53 PM (8e/V4)
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Brave journalists who forgo cheerleading will go out unembedded and find out what Goliath doesn't want us to know.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 15, 2005 01:18 AM (Kx2aL)
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Atrocities like the aerial bombardment of a hospital with people in it, courtesy of the Bushian War Cult.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 15, 2005 01:50 AM (Kx2aL)
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A FINN: You're doing fine. Somalians in Finland? They are merely using it as a stepping stone to go elsewhere or the future of your country is now at risk.
We suggested the imprisoned convict to Iraq thing. The liberals wouldn't allow it, Since most convicts are MINORITIES the liberal moonbats decided that would be racist. Cannot send minorities to kill minorities. Better to let them kill themselves.
Finns whooping up on Ruskies when they invaded your country. Good. They were commies. But I ask you, was this the same Russian Army that lost to Afghanistan?
Why would anyone wish to invade Finland. What advantage would that bring? The Russians must have been nuts. I mean, come on, Who wants it.
Hey! You have given me the answer. The Somalians.
Great choice guys. Are these raghead Somalians or the other kind in loin cloths? Should help your countries future academic endeavors. Get ready to put your good Finnish Luthern work ethics to work. You will need it to support them.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 15, 2005 02:20 AM (7480p)
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Bourbon: Referring to my liquid refreshments as firewater has racist connotations. Either be more careful or shall I send you an Application?
If you get bored on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, like good food, cold beer, comradship, a lack of mental competition and a warm cozy fire. Come on down. I'm sure I can get you a waiver. You know, that Catholic thing. See we can be liberals too.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 15, 2005 03:06 AM (7480p)
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No, it wasn't the same Russian Army that lost to Afganistan, since there were not many survivors from that war, and those who lived got a Russian medal of honor and retired due to seeing things more brutal and horrible any Russian can handle.
The main motive for other countries to take over Finland has this far been getting the Finns into their army. Sweden kicked everyones asses when they had Finns to use (always at least 3/4 in every one of their armies), and when Russians bought our trust and the Swedes had to defend for themselves their empire collapsed instantly. Russians then used Finns to kick Turkey out of Europe and Brits out the Baltic sea (100% Finns against Turkey, 1/2 of the Russian navy kicking Brit ass), but ever since the commies took over Russia, Finland has been independent.
Posted by: A Finn at April 15, 2005 04:00 AM (lGolT)
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And most of the Somalians are the educated Christian ones they hate and kill back where they came from. (so the loin cloth types...) This far having foreigners has not had a negative effect on anything, since there are not many and they aren't lazy, stealing, whiteyhating ones like yours.
Posted by: A Finn at April 15, 2005 04:04 AM (lGolT)
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A FINN. I only hope finland can keep them from becoming lazy, stealing, whiteyhating ones like ours. My suggestion. Boycott Rap Music and Affirmative action. Our liberals made our blacks like they are. They were educated and conditioned to be like they are.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 15, 2005 06:19 AM (7480p)
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A FINN: It is good that your country is allowing Christian ones to immigrate. They will never forget the pain and suffering they went through under the yoke of Islam.
We had a situation here comparable. The Cubans. The ones that immigrated to America passionately hate the commies. If they ever got their hands on a Collin Baber they would tear him apart right in the streets.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 15, 2005 06:23 AM (7480p)
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Greyrooster: "Referring to my liquid refreshments as firewater has racist connotations. Either be more careful or shall I send you an Application?"
What's wrong saying "firewater"? Me likum firewater, too, Pale Face!
"If you get bored on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, like good food, cold beer, comradship, a lack of mental competition and a warm cozy fire. Come on down. I'm sure I can get you a waiver. You know, that
Catholic thing. See we can be liberals too."
Well,liberal Catholics are always screaming for more diversity in the Church. (Hehe.)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 15, 2005 09:23 AM (x+5JB)
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A.Finn
I'm glad you stood up for the Finn's I just found this commentary chain here and couldn't believe people didn't know how bad ass the Finnish army was and has been. which is amazing considering that they stay drunk for months on end But still they kick some serious ass. I hope you understand why we did go to Iraq, and I hope it ends like we want it too. It's unfortunate that changing governments always causes this much strife and loss of life but the situation that they were in ( though murderously stable) was bad and we owed them a blood debt from '91 when we let the shites get slaughtered for the sake of international stability. have fun in your military service how bad can it be LOL
later
Posted by: Tim at April 15, 2005 11:21 AM (Zr2oy)
Posted by: A Finn at April 15, 2005 02:45 PM (lGolT)
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Finnish army stays drunk for months on end! My kind of guys. No wonder they whipped the Russians. They only stay drunk for weeks on end.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 09:40 AM (sB5vg)
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A FINN: We know so little about Finland. We know Sweden by pictures of their beautiful well endowed women. The only picture we have of a finnish women is that of your President. Do all Finnish women look like that?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 09:57 AM (sB5vg)
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No. Absolutely not. Finnish women are the most beautiful in the world and the great thing is they don't need botox, saline and surgery to be so beautiful.
Posted by: A Finn at April 16, 2005 02:23 PM (lGolT)
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Ha, Ha, OK. One for you.
See fellows. I told you Finn was good for a twelve year old.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2005 04:01 PM (DAWnL)
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OK... my age seems to drop by a year everyday, so I think I have to reset it to 17
Posted by: A Finn at April 17, 2005 01:28 PM (lGolT)
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"But the Italian government is objecting to a U.S. wish to include a statement in the final report effectively absolving U.S. troops of any wrongdoing, Italian newspapers reported yesterday. The newspaper Corriere della Sera said the Italian government is asking that there is at least a recognition of some error that prompted the U.S. soldiers to open fire on the car.
Another point of contention is that American authorities have refused to allow Italian investigators to examine the Toyota Corolla, the newspapers said.
Both the Italian Foreign Ministry and the U.S. State Department said the investigation was ongoing. State Department spokesman Thomas Casey also denied reports that military investigators had reached any preliminary conclusions about the shooting."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-usiraq154218680apr15,0,3611504.story?coll=ny-leadworldnews-headlines
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 05:42 AM (FV4oJ)
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Finn: Consider yourself lucky. Some people would kill to have their age drop a year every day.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 18, 2005 03:09 PM (x+5JB)
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April 18, 2005
A Math Lesson
The Killing of Nicola Calipari
By ELI STEPHENS
It was reported a few days ago:
"U.S. soldiers reportedly have been cleared of wrongdoing in the shooting of an Italian journalist and an intelligence agent last month in Baghdad.
"The car was about 130 yards from a checkpoint when the soldiers flashed their lights to get it to stop. They fired warning shots when the car was within 90 yards of the checkpoint, but at 65 yards, they used deadly force. Calipari was killed and Sgrena wounded."
Sgrena has told CBS that the car she was in was going 30 mph. At 30 mph, a car is going 15 yards per second. So, according to the U.S. military, they fired warning shots within 2.7 seconds of flashing a warning light, and used "deadly force" 2.3 seconds after that. And actually, if the U.S. military story were true and the car were really travelling at "high speed", let's be generous and call that only 45 mph, that's 22 yards per second, meaning 1.8 seconds between warning lights and warning shots, and 1.6 seconds between warning shots and deadly shots.
Now, there are variables, but typical perception plus reaction times are of the order of 1.5 seconds, that is, the time it takes to perceive a problem (such as a warning signal) and move your foot to the brake. That means that, according to the military's story, shots were fired at the vehicle less than 0.3 seconds after the vehicle could possibly have begun to slow down, even if they were paying close attention and they had immediately perceived that the alleged flashing light was meant as a signal to stop.
However that 0.3 second is actually overstated, because the gunman (or gunmen), attempting to perceive if the car was responding to their warning signal to slow down, have perception and reaction times of their own, so in fact, they were pulling the trigger before they could possibly have perceived if the car were slowing down. And likewise, if the so-called warning shots were supposed to have served any purpose whatsoever, once again the "deadly force" shots were being squeezed off well before the warning shots could possibly have had any effect.
And on that basis, the military has "exonerated itself" from any wrongdoing.
Eli Stephens writes the Left I on the News
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 07:16 PM (FV4oJ)
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Asshole quit posting long winded bullshit writen by others.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2005 08:58 PM (OJsiJ)
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My friend Greyrooster,
This person cannot compete with you.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 18, 2005 10:52 PM (FV4oJ)
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Re Collin Baber's post.
Well, the math is right.
I consider myself a no shit US supporter, being an Italian Air Force officer living in Italy. I posted my thoughts a few weeks ago, I never believed the attempted murder b.s.
My idea: bad coordination on the part of our operative (Calipari) and probably an ill positioned checkpoint, giving US troops no choice but to shoot almost immediately at ANY non coordinated traffic.
Insults and racial slurs accepted. Ciao Giulio
Posted by: giulio at April 27, 2005 09:14 AM (MIWAC)
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Quote me as
forum http://www.burnandturn.com
forum saying I was mis-quoted.- Groucho Marx
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