November 08, 2005
Same-Sex Marriage Outlawed in Texas
(Austin) With over 472 thousand votes counted, Texas voters have overwhelmingly
passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. Called Proposition 2, voters came out in favor by a 3 to 1 margin. Nobody should be surprised. For cryin' out loud, this is Texas we're talking about.
Although same-sex marriage is already prohibited by state law, supporters of Proposition 2 believed constitutional guidance was necessary to prevent political subdivisions from creating or recognizing any legal status identical to or similar to marriage. Also included are marriage-like legal status relationships created outside of Texas.
I believe 'created outside of Texas' means Massachusetts right now.
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ah, and that is why I
love living in Texas.
Posted by: dave at November 08, 2005 09:26 PM (CcXvt)
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http://movies.crooksandliars.com/com_ds_gay_marriage_ruins_state_051103a.wmv
Posted by: Route Irish at November 08, 2005 10:18 PM (Eh9tH)
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I'm a proud Texan. If the left had any smarts all, they would have commercials running with video of the two Carolina cheerleaders. If anything could sway the minds of male voters, it would be lesbian cheerleaders going after it. The problem is that when they want to make a point on gay marriage, they trot out the likes of Andrea Dworkin and Ellen Degeneres. Ain't gonna do it for me.
Posted by: slug at November 08, 2005 10:48 PM (A4RSe)
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The arguament for/against same sex marriage depends on what you think marrige is about in the first place.
If marriage is a religious ideal, sanctioning sexual relations & forming a strong family unit in which to raise children, then same sex marriages have no purpose. However, the State/Federal legislature also have no right to legalise/criminalise religious activities (something about the seperation of church & state in the constitution I belive)
If marriage is a legal contract between two people living together as partners in all financial & social responsibilities, then that contract should be valid, irrelevent of the gender of the two people (something about te freedom of religion, culture & beliefs)
Our problem is that we like to merge the two things together, when they are intrinsically opposed.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 09, 2005 04:05 AM (cZrVc)
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There's really no point in marriage between gays (bis maybe, but not just-gays). Why should there be any legal choke chain, when there's no naturally acquired kids to be fed?
Posted by: A Finn at November 09, 2005 06:44 AM (cWMi4)
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The only problem I have with gay marriage is that the next step will be that they want to adopt children. Not that I think two loving parental figures would be bad regardless of their sexual preference, but that it would be unfair to the children.
Regardless of the idoctrination already in process in our schools with short films and story books named
"Tommy has Two Dads" or
"Billy and Sally have Two Moms", there will be those families who are devoutly religious and will teach their children, outside of the school environment, the opposite; that homosexuality is a sin and should be rejected. These children with "two dads" or "two moms" will be treated badly by those students who have parents that teach them homosexuality is a sin. We all know how cruel children can be.
This is just fact. Not an endorsement. There are far reaching implications that some people just aren't considering.
Posted by: Oyster at November 09, 2005 07:16 AM (YudAC)
Posted by: V the K at November 09, 2005 07:30 AM (F26eZ)
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All children who are taught that homosexuality is a sin will not treat children with "two dads" or "two moms" badly. Most children just accept others. It's not fair to lump up those that teach their children homosexuality is wrong, as bigots. It is wrong, but I would never condone or tolerate my children being mean to other children regardless of what type of home life they had or have.
Posted by: thirdee at November 09, 2005 07:48 AM (7uo45)
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Yes, homosexuality is absolutely normal, except in nature of course, otherwise none of us would be here.
Posted by: dave at November 09, 2005 07:51 AM (CcXvt)
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Mrs Aginoth:
Separation of Church and State were originally setup to stop Government tyranny against a particular religion, not to remove the word God from everything, but to avoid a situation like the Catholic purge, (something to do with Britain I believe)
Secondly the people that came to America, came to avoid smug British nationals whom have an opinion on everything, and therefore believe they can quote the law to them. (something about "Independence" I believe...)
Posted by: dave at November 09, 2005 08:03 AM (CcXvt)
Posted by: dogbrain at November 09, 2005 08:17 AM (vt8Y4)
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Marriage optional form gays ??? I think it should be MANDATORY !!!
Posted by: john Ryan at November 09, 2005 08:58 AM (ads7K)
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Thirdee: I did not say it to imply that all children would. Enough will though. Not all children are bullies. But enough are to make life pretty miserable for some. In many ways, not even related to religion, but just because they're bullies, they will make others the target of their ire.
The problem is that some bullying behavior is targetted by teachers, administrators and parents, but not others. There are children that get mistreated by others for anything from not wearing the current styles to having freckles. When our schools indiscriminately target all bad behavior for
whatever reason instead of a strict agenda of homosexual parenting, I'll feel differently.
Let me give you a quick example: My daughter was hounded and intimidated by a group of three boys whose behavior toward her escalated over time to the point that they threatened to rape her after school. I couldn't get the school administrators to do
anyhing about it. The principle's reasoning? It was only her word against theirs and THEIR rights had to be considered. The principle wouldn't consider their guilt at all and feared more that even questioning them would infringe on their rights. But if they teased her for having "two moms", well then, by God, with current standards, something would have to be done about it.
Unless I start a powerful special interest group against school bullies in general and hold marches on downtown streets and get enough people to withhold their votes from school board candidates, nothing is done. Just being right or wrong doesn't hold any clout anymore. It's who has the biggest mouth and the most influence.
I'm getting off on a tangent here and digressing a bit so I'll just let it rest with that.
Posted by: Oyster at November 09, 2005 09:03 AM (fl6E1)
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Of course, as a Texan, what bothers me about Prop 2 (and the main practical reason I voted against it) is that it could, depending on interpretation, also outlaw common-law marriages. This is a community property state. Just exactly what do we tell the widow who was with her man for 60 years as his common law wife when she finds out she keeps none of the property that was in his name, because "they weren't really married"?
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at November 09, 2005 10:43 AM (eer2X)
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God bless my beautiful state of Texas.
Posted by: Dick at November 09, 2005 11:16 AM (XlQVK)
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dave - I deliberately didn't quote law you, not being too sure of the exact wording, hence "something about"
I made an observation on the nature of marrige. It wasn't meant to upset anyone, just express my opinion as to why this is such a difficult topic.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 09, 2005 12:05 PM (cZrVc)
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Jeff, I recall one of the lawmakers on TV address your problem with the law. He said it was written such that common law marriage would not be affected. Common law marriage is already recognized as a legal marriage. I know there is a politician or two out there who may tell lies but that's what he said.
Posted by: slug at November 09, 2005 12:29 PM (A4RSe)
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Here am I deep in the Heart of Texas. And damn proud of it! Gay marriage ain't marriage, hell, anybody knows that. The liberals want us to believe in evolution and all that, well, it seems to me that all the higher forms of animals pair off as male and female. Enough said.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2005 04:22 PM (rUyw4)
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Dave is uninformed. There is tons of examples of homosexuality in nature. Bonobos, one of the great apes, engage in homosexual behavior all the time. They are, if you don't know, very close to the chimpanzee (or may be a kind of chimp, they used to be considered a sub-species of chimp, but I think they are being reclassified as their own separate species of great ape) Dolphins also engage in homosexual behavior. I know there are many other examples of species that engage in homosexual behavior, but much to my inconvenience, I am not remembering. Homosexuality is very prevalent in nature. What is it's function? Not sure. But I do know that in most animal groups, there is usually an imbalance between male and female populations. Yet, those without a "partner" have no less a desire for sex (and for the more intelligent animals like dolphins, who by the way, mate for life) love and companionship, so perhaps homosexuality is nature's way of compensating for the imbalance between male and female percentages of a given animal population.
But there is also the possibility that homosexuality simply exists because nature by design creates, to quote Star Trek, infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Perhaps nature has created homosexuality (and bisexuality) simply because it is possible. Look around, nature is seemingly unending in its diversity.
And slug...gays want to get married because they love one another. No one has any desire to help guys like you get off. If you need masturbation fodder to support gay marriage, then we don't need your support.
Finally, for those who reject gay marriage because the next step would be gay adoption, I hate to break it to you, but gay people are already adopting children, without being married, in those states that allow it. What are you afraid of? There are more children in the foster care system then are currently being adopted. Yet so many states still forbid gays to adopt. Well I suggest you take the time to interview older children who have been "in the system" for many years or those who "graduate" from the foster care/orphanage system, meaning that they turn 18 are are on their own having never been adopted (or, for many, hever even having a foster family.) I bet many of them would rather have two same sex parents than be stuck in the system, passed from foster home to foster home, trapped in an orphanage with no family, or finding themselves on their own at 18 again, with no family.
Posted by: PaleBlueDot at November 09, 2005 07:08 PM (bs/aZ)
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Oh look here comes mighty lefty, to tell everyone how wrong they are!
Hey, these animals that display homosexual tendencies are they the rule? or abnormal? how were they born? why are they still around if they don't procreate?
Always some Hippy wants to say how right it is, except if it was normal behavior there would be no more species, but hey don't let facts stop you labelling everyone misinformed.
Posted by: dave at November 09, 2005 09:43 PM (CcXvt)
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Most animal specials have homosexual sex at some point during their life. Some use it as "practise" for procreative sex, some to realease sexual tension when there is an inbalance in the genders, some just for fun. Go down to your local farm/ranch & watch the cows in the field, or the dogs in the kennels.
As humans we are the strange ones by placing a spiritual meaning on sex, rather than just a physical one.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 10, 2005 04:43 AM (cZrVc)
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Uh, Mrs. A, I don't condider it strange that I put a spiritual meaning on sex! I would think it strange not to. Otherwise, we are just animals ourselves, aren't we, and what then would be the purpose of anything?
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2005 10:28 AM (rUyw4)
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Mrs Aginoth:
I especially liked your "Just for fun" comment, so how did you figure that out, do you have a little "Dr. Do Little" in you? do the animals communicate their desire to have sex with each other for a bit of the ol' gay hanky panky ?
nice speculation on your part to back up your "facts"
Posted by: dave at November 10, 2005 11:59 AM (CcXvt)
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Jesusland jo - strange in the animal kingdom. I absolutely agree that our understanding of sex=procreation & the concept of love are part of what differentiates us from animals.
dave - "just for fun" was meant to express "for no apparent reason, as they will do it when there are plenty of more suitable mates avilable"
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 10, 2005 12:53 PM (cZrVc)
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Now let me see... As a Drag Queen, I can tell you that the need for "Attention" is paramount! However, there are times in life, that one has needs that are beyond explanation. The need to settle down and be with someone that you love and that loves you! Now, I do not deny that those of you that are "Straight" and want to raise a family and have your idea of the perfect life, are more that welcome to do so...but remember where you are! What country do you live in! Because, here in the USA there is something that grants ALL US Citizens, certain INALIENABLE rights! The Bill Of Rights...Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness! Now why should you be allowed to live a happy life, have the liberty to do so and the legal right to pursue your dreams, when I cannot? When ANY Gay, Lesbian person cannot? What make you so special? And don't bring religion into this POLITICAL mess! God has NO place in politics! Perhaps the Divine Creator doesn't care to be President someday...
Perhaps everyone should remember something...FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GRACE OF GOD! Just as I am no more or less better than you are, you are no more or less better than I...Just because I am GAY, does not make me different than YOU...
ps. Food for thought...Jesus said: "I give you a NEW commandment, Love one another, as I have loved you...". Just keep in mind that the Great Commission, invokes the followers of The Lord Jesus Christ, to bring to HIM all that will, through LOVE AND TRUTH...Not with Hate, Intolerance and FORCED BEHAVIOR THRU LEGISLATION, spurred on by religious fanatics! The more people like you that believe you can "Save our Souls", by forcing your will and beliefs on the world, the more people like me will RESIST!
Primrose
South Florida
Posted by: Primrose at November 10, 2005 02:03 PM (G2X92)
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As a Texan, I've been ashamed to hear others proudly crowing at having passed legislation specifically aimed at denying "them dang homos" equal legal status.
Primrose, I thought you did an excellent job of stating the opposition viewpoint. I'm pretty conservative on many issues. But this one comes down to personal liberty; pretty much a civil rights issue. It's just too bad that we conveniently view homosexuals as people who don't deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.
Posted by: reverse_vampyr at November 10, 2005 05:31 PM (Ns5kk)
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Jesus told the prostitute who he saved from the crowd about to stone her: "Go and sin no more". He did not tell her to continue to sin, but to turn away. Let's not confuse things here too much.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2005 09:45 PM (rUyw4)
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Thanx Reverse Vampyr! If everyone would just realize that, "Equal Rights" not "Special Rights"
is the issue here! Just because a person is: From a foriegn country, different in skin color,
has different view points on "religeous values", etc...should not make them the target of
a "WITCH HUNT"!
How many of these "religeous right", have a real grasp on history? During the 1690's,
here in what was to become The USA, INNOCENT people were branded as "Witches"! They were hanged,
chrushed to death...
Now, I don't know about any of you but it seems to me that situations like this,
ie. "religeous fanatasizm", spurned on by the "church and its leaders"...IS WRONG!
Not only does it show the stupidity of such blatant disregard for "your fellow man"
but how dangerous it is to have uncontrolled religeous systems, involved in the matter of
government!
An earlier comment, by a poster, to this sight, stated that the reasoning for
the "Separation of Church & State", in this country was to not have a repeat of the religeous
tyrany and corrupttion that was so common and ALL CONTROLLING, in early Europe.
While this is true...let us not forget, the early days of this country!
Each year we celebrate a national holiday called Thanksgiving. The common myth is that
it is a time of to give thanks for what you have. While this is only partly true, we like to
forget that the Puritans were a horrible wretched people. They tortured and murdered the
indians, and indeed other of their own kind, from neighboring villages...the feast that we
now call Thanksgiving was a "Peace, a Truce" basically that was held between the Puritans and
the Indians!
Now that I have gone off on that tangent, let me bring it all together...
When we think of value systems and their consequences...we tend to think of things like,
wright and wrong, crime and punnishment etc...This is a very different world today, as
compared with history. Should the USA digress, back into its own past and begin treating
its citizens as it did all those many years ago?
You see, it has always been the beliefs of a few that have forged the future...not the majority!
I guess if the church and the cristian coalition and the fanatics get their way, we will all
soon be living in a Puritanical society! I guess we are not all that civilized after all!
Just keep in mind, that if the religeous right aka moral majority aka christian coalition,
continues to point the finger of holy indignation at me and those like me, who just want and
need the the same things ALL Americans want, they will face their God and have to answer for
their sins! And yes Inhospitality is a SIN!
Primrose
South Florida
Posted by: Primrose at November 11, 2005 08:49 AM (G2X92)
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To all of the Religious Reich-- er, Right here tonight, I humbly ask thee:
DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And now I shall return to making hot passionate love to my wife. Yes, my wife, and I shall call her my wife whether you like it or not, whether the government wants to acknowledge us as married or not. Still, expect me to stick around and piss you off as much as humanly possible without even trying, because I'll be damned if some idiot's going to tell me that I can't have my wife on my work health insurance plan or in my will because one of us has the wrong plumbing downstairs. I could give a damn what your church has to say-- I don't go there, and I never will-- but I am an American, and I'm staying here cuz my ancestors lost their lives so I could live here in FREEDOM. So, get over it and get a life. Thank you, and have a lovely evening.
Signed, your friendly neighborhood shameless lesbo. ;D
P.S. Jesusland Joe-- obviously, you've been too busy jacking off to Pat Robertson to actually read the Bible, cuz the woman who was about to get stoned to death was accused of adultery, not prostitution. What's more, Jesus had also said then, and far more importantly, that HE WHO HAS NOT SINNED SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE. Typical fundamentalist bull, take what you like from Scripture and leave the rest! Good work, poseur! Of course, if you were to at least watch "Jesus of Nazareth" you'd know what actually happened in that part of the New Testament! Guess it's true that folks like you are less about God and more about manipulating and abusing Christianity for your own selfish gain.
P.P.S. And yes, I do know the Bible-- after having a father who has a M.A. in theology and going to Christian schools and taking religion classes and going to church most of my life, one would hope I know what's in the Gospels by now. Shame that you claim to be Christian and clearly do not! You're too busy hating other people to remember little else!!
Posted by: Redgyrl at November 12, 2005 12:05 AM (LYij5)
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In any event, this is bad news for greg. He always wanted to be a June bride.
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November 07, 2005
Terroists Foiled Again.
Foiled I say. Last week John Howard (great name) announced that Australia had intelligence that they were a target for a major terrorist attack. This week they arrest 15 possibly stopping an attack in the final stages of planning. My Aussie Cube mate says hold their head in the billabong till they are ready to talk.
FOXNEWS: "I'm satisfied that we have disrupted what I would regard as the final stages of a large scale terrorist attack ... here in Australia," Moroney told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio.
Here we are dancing to some tune about roos and dangerous wallabies and stuff. Aussie folk are good Joes.
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http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/11/irs_cracking_do.htm
Posted by: Route Irish at November 07, 2005 06:17 PM (Eh9tH)
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The Australians have by the truck load, that which Europe now lacks: pride and a deep seated belief in the defense of country.....They fit the true definition of "ally"
However, I'm still not ready to forgive them for unleashing Air Supply upon an unsuspecting world. Some wounds never heal.
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Posted by: Insomniac at November 07, 2005 06:52 PM (6krEN)
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Air Supply was a bad deal...but then again so was Hall and Oates.
Indonesia will be Australia's frontline. The vermin there are closer than they are to any other western nation...apart from the nations they have already infested.
Posted by: Jester at November 07, 2005 06:53 PM (QKZX5)
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The kangaroo and emu have snagged some rela wild dingos feed them to the gators
Posted by: sandpiper at November 07, 2005 07:41 PM (U+eLg)
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Foiled! And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids...
Ya know, when the 'slamotards and liberals and other assorted scum decide to rise up here, I'm going to carve "Route Irish" in the flesh of every one I get my hands on.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 07, 2005 08:11 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2005 08:46 PM (ZaAd/)
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The Australians have more balls than the British by a mile... perhaps the British have smoked so many fags that they are what they (eat)smoke!
Posted by: Steve Sharon at November 07, 2005 09:29 PM (CPHoB)
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http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?DeptNo=5000&ClassNo=0502
Posted by: Route Irish at November 07, 2005 09:58 PM (Eh9tH)
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10895.htm
Posted by: Route Irish at November 08, 2005 12:10 AM (Eh9tH)
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....I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it....
Posted by: Route Irish at November 08, 2005 01:55 AM (Eh9tH)
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Terroists =) What do you have against these peace-loving followers of Mother Earth?
Posted by: A Finn at November 08, 2005 02:54 AM (cWMi4)
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Napalm against scum willing to behead innocents and bomb market places? The classics never go out of style. As for complaining about the "Wily Pete", someone's got their priorities seriously messed up. I wouldn't be as concerned about the phosphorous marker as the Maverick missile travelling a few seconds behind it.
Posted by: Graeme at November 08, 2005 04:36 AM (vtr9l)
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Queen of England is also the Queen of Australia, Queen of Wales and at least at the moment Queen of Scotland and Northern Ireland, right? So, Australia is a part of Great Britain. Therefore, Aussies are Brits, so Brits have as much balls as Aussies.
The wrong way to use standardized logic? Indeed.
Posted by: A Finn at November 08, 2005 06:15 AM (cWMi4)
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They have been our allies for over a century. And very good one. I had the good fortune to spend some time in the bush with some Aussie Rangers 37 years ago. Stout fellows. Strong believers is what today we call "Classical Liberalism"; we just called it common sense 37 years ago.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 08, 2005 06:22 AM (R3FcZ)
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Route Irish: OK dude learn to code a link or something else usefull.
Posted by: Howie at November 08, 2005 11:48 AM (D3+20)
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Tan me hide when I dead Fred tan me hide when I'm dead.
He died and we tanned is hyde and that's it hanging on the shed
Or something like that.
Grandpa some days tells old war stories. You don't mess with Brits or Aussies in the Phillipines he says they made Americans look like school boys. Japs would surrender and of course prisoners are a problem to take care of. Uh well they were not a problem for the Brits or Aussies they didn't take any and taught us a few lessons and why you don't. They slow you down and use up your food and keep you from fighting. The Americans would take some or use a bullet to the head. The Brits and Aussies said that was a waste of ammo and that is what your bayonette is for yankee.
Posted by: Howie at November 08, 2005 11:55 AM (D3+20)
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In a guerilla-type war, prisoners are far more useful than in a conventional engagement, because dead men tell no tales, but live ones will sing like a bird when you clip the jumper cables onto their sack.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 08, 2005 01:22 PM (0yYS2)
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Read this and understand why the muslim scum must be driven from western society. Why do these pigs choose to live amongst us?
An Australian Muslim cleric who said Osama bin Laden was a "great man" has been named by police as the spiritual leader of a group of 16 men charged on Tuesday with planning a terrorist attack in Australia.
Abdul Nacer Benbrika, also known as Abu Bakr, has long been monitored by Australian authorities and grabbed headlines in August after he praised bin Laden, blamed for the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
He is a self-styled leader of a fundamentalist Islamic group of young followers in the suburbs of Australia's second-biggest city, Melbourne. Some of these followers, local radio reported, attended militant training camps in Asia.
"Osama Bin Laden, he is a great man," Benbrika, 45, told Australian Broadcasting Corp. (ABC) radio in August.
Following police raids in Sydney and Melbourne on Tuesday, Benbrika was charged with directing the activities of a terrorist organization and remanded in custody until January.
Benbrika's passport was confiscated in March on advice from the Australian Security Intelligence Organization, which then raided his Melbourne home in June, ABC radio has reported.
But Benbrika, a dual Australian/Algerian citizen who has at least six children and has lived in Melbourne since 1989, denied he was a security threat.
"I am not involved in anything here. I am teaching my brothers here the Koran and the Sunna, and I am trying my best to keep myself, my family, my kids and the Muslims close to this religion," he told the ABC, referring to the holy book and the code of conduct for Muslims.
Benbrika said he opposed anyone trying to harm his religion. He also said it was a "big problem" for Muslims reconciling their religion with life in Australia.
"There are two laws. There is Australian law. There is Islamic law," he said, adding the only law that needed to be spread was Islam.
"Jihad is part of my religion, and what you have to understand that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah ... (with) the first drop of blood that comes from him out, all his sin will be forgiven," he said.
Other Australian Muslim leaders have said Benbrika represented a minority view, and Prime Minister John Howard did not invite Benbrika to a summit of key Muslim leaders in August.
Posted by: Jester at November 08, 2005 02:26 PM (QKZX5)
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The only time the Aussies didn't serve alongside the Americans in the last hundred years was the Spanish-American war........Nuff said!
Posted by: Warner at November 09, 2005 06:37 AM (dB61o)
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"Jihad is part of my religion, and what you have to understand that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah ... (with) the first drop of blood that comes from him out, all his sin will be forgiven,"
How about that? Maybe our Aussie brothers will arrange for the forgiveness of all his sins.
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November 06, 2005
Tornado Strikes Evansville Area 12 Confirmed Dead
We had some storms blow through here last night. We had lightning and wind and some rain. I love storms and slept like a rock. No damage here but I get up this morning to find a tornado struck the Evansville-Newburgh, Indiana. From reports on
WTVW it was pretty bad.
CNN is also covering.
CNN:Adam Groupey, deputy director of emergency management for Evansville and Vanderburgh County, said the tornado touched down about 2 a.m. in Henderson County, Kentucky, then hit an Evansville mobile home park before moving into Warrick County.
Here is the list of shelters and phone numbers WTVW is posting this AM for people needing shelter or attempting to locate family members.
Shelters Set Up Phone Numbers by WTWW: (Note southern Indiana area code is 812)
* Deaconess Hospital -- 450-5000.
* St. Mary`s Hospital -- 485-4496.
* St. Mary`s Warrick -- 897-4800.
* National Guard Armory in Evansville -- 469-4020.
* Henderson, KY shelter -- 270-827-7700.
* Zion Baptist Church -- 853-8828.
*Castle High School -- 305-1926.(moving to Crossroads Church at 3:00pm due to lack of power).
Shelters Set Up To Assist in Relief by WTWW.* The Vanderburgh County Red Cross has set up a shelter at their main office just off of the Lloyd Expressway.
* The Warrick County Red Cross has a temporary shelter in the south gym at Castle High School. Since there is no power at the school, the shelter will be moved to Crossroads Christian Church at 3 p.m. today.
* The Epworth United Methodist Church at the corner of Epworth and Lincoln has set up a shelter. They have breakfast available, and will have soup and sandwiches later today. They will also have showers available.
Souls Harbor Church will be serving meals this afternoon from 1:30 to 5 p.m. today. The church is located at 2126 Cass Avenue.
Note : The East Side Wal Mart and National Guard Armory are also taking people. Diapers were noted to be in short supply at at least one shleter.
The Vanderburgh Co. CoronerÂ’s Office is confirming 12 dead, more have been reported. A state of emergency has been declared in Warrick County IN. The National Guard has arrived in affected areas as well as much private equipment & local law enforcement to dig through houses in the search for Victims. The weather is good this AM which should help. Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels is expected to arrive this afternoon. Eville's airport is on the North side so no problem there.
Others: Jay at Stop the ALCU and In the Angora.
Other Eville Area Outlets.
WFIE
WEHT
WEVV
Evansville Courier & Press
Update: So far confirmed 22 deaths. The path of the storm took it over Ellis Park Raceway killing several race horses and then Eastward leaving a path as wide as 500 yards and 35 to 40 miles long. The storm missed the denser areas of the city but struck smaller towns and suburbs to the south and east. Mrs. Stella Rawlings and her husband stepped out so see the entire area around their home destroyed The elderly couple credited their minor damage and tremendous luck to the Lord
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Just you wait the eco-nuts will be blabbering this global warming hogwash just like they did with all the hurricanes
Posted by: sandpiper at November 06, 2005 01:43 PM (JyNSh)
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Then it started a long time ago. The largest Tornado ever passes right over where I grew up. I know a lady sh'es passed now that lost an arm as a baby whn it hit. Everyone had a storm cellar. Not so much any more but they should I should. Tonado damage looks like a big gieant come stomping through. One hit south of here two years ago. I still remember the one house was just a bunch of insulation in what was left of the trees which were pretty damaged as well. Two miles either side nada nothing but if you are in the path whew. That one went about 20 miles and really left a trail.
Posted by: Howie at November 06, 2005 01:48 PM (D3+20)
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I live about 50 NW of E'ville. That storm woke me up about midnight. Was an eyelash away from getting the wife and kids up for a move to the basement. It was a very odd storm, not alot of rain but tremendous thunder, lightning and STRONG cross winds. Rare to have that vicious of a storm that late at night.
Posted by: traderrob at November 06, 2005 02:44 PM (3al54)
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We used to live on the east side of Evansville, just off of Lincoln. Our thoughts and prayers go out to our friends, their families, and to those who are strangers as well.
Posted by: Kris at November 06, 2005 06:46 PM (Ev1HW)
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe224.html
Posted by: Route Irish at November 06, 2005 07:21 PM (Eh9tH)
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Haven't had the chance to ask this before, but since there's been lots of weather disasters lately: What's this sites collective view about global warming?
Posted by: A Finn at November 07, 2005 03:49 AM (cWMi4)
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No serious meterologist without an agenda believes "global warming" has anything to do with it. These weather patterns are cyclicle and we are entering a similar situation as we had in the late 40s and 50s. Pure junk science to assert otherwise.
Posted by: traderrob at November 07, 2005 06:43 AM (3al54)
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Global warming is caused by the CO2 that constantly spews from A Finn. Finn Tornados can form any time any where if you are in the midwest it's just fact of life and has been for 300 years. Warm air to the South cold to the north and a cold front = maybe. Storms this late in the year are considered to be less dangerous but that's not true. March and Nov are just as bad as high summer due to the clashing of cold and warm during the change of the season. We like out T-storms it's a great thing about the midwest but they can turn ugly when you least expect it.
Posted by: Howie at November 07, 2005 11:57 AM (D3+20)
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God hates Trailer Parks!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: nunya at November 07, 2005 08:35 PM (bGCm/)
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Yeah, they keep talking about the weather cycle here too, but the once in 50 years weathers have suddenly become annual here. Still no snow, same thing for ten years now. Back when and 5 years after the CCCP was clouding the sky snow came in August, and before that October at latest. Another view is that you're warming the Gulf stream so it warms the air more here, might not be so global.
Posted by: A Finn at November 08, 2005 02:48 AM (cWMi4)
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November 04, 2005
'Breasts Not Bombs' Group Seeks Protection
(Sacramento, California) In an effort to translate ogling into support for a political cause, an anti-war group is seeking court protection.
From the SacBee.com:
Mendocino County women who have been baring their breasts at various venues to protest the war in Iraq are in Sacramento federal court seeking an order prohibiting the California Highway Patrol from arresting them during a planned noon demonstration Monday at the Capitol.
The women's group, Breasts Not Bombs, is suing CHP Commissioner Mike Brown and two of his officers over a warning that if the women demonstrate while topless, they will be arrested and charged with indecent exposure and disorderly conduct.
The group claims it also was warned by the CHP that if its members are convicted of indecent exposure they may have to register as sex offenders.
In its motion before the court, the group's San Francisco attorney, Matthew Kumin, stated that, in essence, if they can't take their shirts off, nobody shows up and listens to the women.
I personally pay attention to women without shirts.
And, it's probably true that many guys would show up to look but that doesn't mean they'll listen. However, when many people show up, the media follows and it becomes a news story, even though nobody was listening.
U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. will rule on a temporary restraining order preventing the arrest of Breasts Not Bombs members.
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Argh! Mike Brown won't go away! Fired from FEMA, now he's CHP commissioner!
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 04, 2005 04:04 PM (N7EVh)
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Mike, if you saw these old gals, you would change your mind. Go to zombie's website and look around for a while. You will find them and you will vomit. They are grotesque and should be arrested for assualt with a deadly weapon(sagging, ugly, mal-formed breasts). Actually I would prefer a bullet to these old girls. Aarrgg!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 04:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Unless they can prove that supermodels have joined their group and will be the only representatives at the protest, arrest them on sight if they go ahead with it. I can't afford to lose my vision at such an early age.
Posted by: Graeme at November 04, 2005 04:22 PM (pq71L)
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This is an effective form of protesting - in an alternative universe maybe.
You know it will eventually end up in the 9th Circuit!
Hell! Let'em do it! get film & photos - post on the net
"Nags Hags Bags whatever gone Wild!" Dump the sound- add your own captions - I'm sure there is a niche market for this type of porn somewhere.
Posted by: hondo at November 04, 2005 04:31 PM (ymtSt)
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why, why did you post that? it made me google for images...arrrrggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mr. K at November 04, 2005 05:05 PM (A4aeK)
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>>>"the group's San Francisco attorney, Matthew Kumin, stated that, in essence, if they can't take their shirts off, nobody shows up and listens to the women."
More unintentional self-parody by the Left. So much of what they do and say could just as easily show up in the Onion.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2005 05:13 PM (8e/V4)
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Let the bitches show their tits, for the love of God.
Next thing you know, apple pie will be banned too.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 05:19 PM (TVaWo)
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Good grief, one supposes that Menzenzeses likes saggy old gray warty broads with tits down past their ample rolling waistline - get a wheelbarow to drag them around.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 04, 2005 06:14 PM (Lq/X7)
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Keith,
Trust this old hunter, there will be a few good racks in the herd.
Also, who knows, maybe some hot Republican babes will form a counter protest.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 06:18 PM (TVaWo)
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Breasts For The Troops.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 04, 2005 06:21 PM (TVaWo)
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Unbelievable. Can we not just encourage California to secede? Seriously.
Posted by: Impatient Girl at November 04, 2005 07:16 PM (ftixA)
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Hey greg, when is the last time you saw a tit that wasn't digitized?
Be honest, were you getting milk from it at the time?
Posted by: Vinnie at November 04, 2005 07:26 PM (Kr6/f)
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Glad I sold my property in Willits, Calif. Mendocino county. The toothless bitches have gone crazy. One must remember that the biggest cash crop in Mendocino county is pot.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2005 08:29 PM (ZaAd/)
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The feminazis are getting freaker all the time to show how stupid they can be like those jerks going nude to protest furcoats
Posted by: sandpiper at November 04, 2005 09:01 PM (4yJRe)
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If guys did something similar, there'd be such an uproar. Most men aren't stupid enough to try it. If they did, the same breast baring dipsticks would call them a bunch of perverts.
Posted by: thirdee at November 04, 2005 09:27 PM (Tg551)
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Hey thirdee! Yep they would!
Posted by: Impatient Girl at November 04, 2005 10:20 PM (ftixA)
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Good one, Vinnie. You deballed Greg for all the World to see. Bwahahahaha!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 04, 2005 10:22 PM (rUyw4)
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Jesusland Joe: I agree with Vinnie. Can't imagine this loser getting laid. Unless its my camel jockey and Greg is butts up to him.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 07:36 AM (ZaAd/)
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Vinnie:"Hey greg, when is the last time you saw a tit that wasn't digitized?"
When I buggered your Mum last week.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at November 05, 2005 09:01 AM (TVaWo)
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With the look of them they will all need the new bra size 38 long.
Posted by: Who Cares at November 05, 2005 01:24 PM (cyb8U)
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"If guys did something similar,..."
Don't make me provide links to people like "blow-up scrotum-guy".
I'm older than all those cranky old bats and I have better tits than any of them, but I don't feel the uncontrollable urge to take my shirt off and tell people, "Don't, like, bomb stuff ... like,
okay?"
WTF? Mindless twits. Every one of them.
Posted by: Oyster at November 05, 2005 07:17 PM (YudAC)
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God, no, Oyster, I've been assaulted enough today! Those old hags are just right for Greg, though. Just goes to show you that there is someone out there for everyone. Heh!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 05, 2005 08:04 PM (rUyw4)
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But that someone for Greg is a goat.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 05, 2005 11:17 PM (ZaAd/)
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I thought Islamic breast protection was el Ja bra's job.
Posted by: DL at November 06, 2005 05:50 PM (ijDmm)
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November 01, 2005
U.S. Military Bases in Romania
(Bucharest, Romania) From the standpoint of geopolitical strategy, this is an important reshuffling of players in the region.
From Xinhua:
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is expected to visit Romania by the end of the year to sign an agreement setting up US military bases in Romania, Romanian Foreign Minister Razvan Ungureanu said on Monday.
The military deals are close to be completed, Romania's Mediafax quoted Ungureanu as saying.
The foreign minister made the remarks after meeting with his US counterpart Rice in New York.
Romanian President Traian Basescu told visiting US National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley on Oct. 23 that possible locations for the bases might be Babadag, close to the Danube delta, Constanta, on the Black sea, and Fetesti, 200 km east of Bucharest.
If a Black Sea naval base is included, which seems to be the case, the U.S. will be capable of easily projecting regional influence. Any
prudent student of international affairs would deem the expansion of U.S. influence in eastern Europe and western Asia a major development.
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Let the geopolitics begin! Lots of folks who used to see this region as their sphere of influence are not going to like this much.
Posted by: NOTR at November 01, 2005 04:33 AM (izx0t)
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Absolutely amazing when one thinks back to the Cold War. If the USA geta a Black Sea port Putin will NOT be pleased.
Posted by: Redhand at November 01, 2005 05:12 AM (TrmBs)
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But you are trading Romania and Bulgaria for Germany and the UK. Do you know how much harder that is to talk your wife into taking those orders......
Posted by: CDR Salamander at November 01, 2005 09:45 AM (m64uD)
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This is nothing more than a strategic move that recognizes the major new threat to security posed by Iran. I feel sure that Putin and the Russians were given assurances prior to any agreement for US bases in Romania.
Iran is now the number one threat to world security. One cannot be sure what the madman who leads Iran will do, but the US needs to surface a couple of nuclear submarines armed with nuclear warheads in the Persian Gulf for the Iranians to see. And it should be made very clear to the Iranians that these missles are aimed at them just in case the Iranians get stupid and think they can target the US or its interests in the area without fear of a massive retaliation.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 01, 2005 10:18 AM (rUyw4)
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Putin is an idiot who should not spend one more day in office. He seeks to thwart America's efforts to fight terrorism while Russians are being murdered by terrorists, and turns a blind eye to the fact that Russian arms dealers are still supplying terrorists with weapons and explosives. He is just another of what my friend from Belarus calls an "unhappy old communist" who can't get over the fact that we won the cold war. He is taking Russia down a path from which there can be no return if things aren't done quickly to turn around. Russia is still hostile to foreign investment, corruption is rampant, Russians are emigrating as fast as they can, and the birth rate isn't even high enough to match the death rate. All these factors taken together spell the end of Russian history, yet Putin can't even bring himself to face reality and embrace the only nation on earth that can help.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 01, 2005 10:19 AM (0yYS2)
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Eventually all the slavs will kiss and make up with the Russians. Its only natural even given recent bad blood (exclusively associated with communism). Western Europeans never liked any of them anyway (and have an even longer history of bad blood with them).
Our relationship with Russia is strange. Under the surface (table) it is a hell of a lot better than most realize. Russia may be down but in time may well come back.
Post War W Europe has always been a collection of voyeur pussies. Soft and self-absorbed in their personal view of their social intellectual superiority and in their faded luxuries.
The slavs (all of them) are tough hard earthy people and nothing at all like the W Europeans. As long as we don't go all Starbucks and Continental - we got a lot to work with and in common with those slavs.
The future is not set - and a lot of people are looking for who to hook up with. Don't be surprised if the road to Eastern Europe leads to Russia with us on it - looking to hang out and pal around with people WE KNOW ARE NOT PUSSIES - and know how to party too.
Posted by: hondo at November 01, 2005 05:21 PM (ymtSt)
Posted by: A Finn at November 02, 2005 04:40 AM (cWMi4)
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Considering that the live birth rate in Russia doesn't match the emigration and mortality rate, Russia's future doesn't look good. Communism killed Russian culture, and destroyed any bonds of kinship that the people felt with one another, as well as creating an subculture of crime and corruption that permeates the entire society and every branch of government. It isn't possible to do business in Russia without paying massive bribes at every turn, and drug and alcohol abuse is so bad that the work force is incapable of meeting business needs. The glory of socialism wrought in full. Look at Russia and see the future of America if the liberals get their way.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 02, 2005 10:05 AM (0yYS2)
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Maxie
All true but there is hope. Russians are tough people - and they do have a quality not found it the West save the US. A strong sense and pride in nationalism. Nothing wrong with nationalism (it can be abused like anything else). "They'll Be Back" - what form it will take - who knows. It will not be communism. Many there consider it a patheticly failed imported joke that did nothing more than undermine the true Russian sense of self-identity.
Posted by: hondo at November 02, 2005 10:44 AM (ymtSt)
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I hope you're right hondo, but the trends indicate a rapid circling of the drain. The infrastructure is dilapidated, the military is hovering near death, and the people just don't care. I would really hate to see one of the great European cultures disappear, but I'm afraid that's the way it will be.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 02, 2005 03:52 PM (0yYS2)
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I agree with Hondo. Russians are tough. They will be back. I see them as allies in the war against islamofacism.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 06, 2005 12:25 AM (ZaAd/)
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October 31, 2005
Bush to Nominate Judge Samuel Alito for SCOTUS
CNN and
MSNBC are reporting that President Bush will formally nominate 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Samuel Alito for the Supreme Court. Judge Alito has a strong conservative record and is often compared to Justice Antonin Scalia. Expect a battle from liberals during confirmation.
[Update 0700 EST]
According to this report, President Bush will make the announcement of his nominee at 8am EST.
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Ya know, this is looking more and more like Miers was just a lightning rod to polarize the base. She was both a token female and a token moderate, and was soundly rejected, but on wholly different criteria, i.e. her qualifications. Maybe Bush was sending us a symbolic message? Sometimes I think the man is a closet genius, but then, how many of his detractors have degrees from Yale
and Harvard?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 08:31 AM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Carlos in Jesusland at October 31, 2005 09:17 AM (8e/V4)
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Heh. Libby indeed. I think they struck a better blow when they got Jeff "Big Gay (the bad kind) Porn C*ck" Gannon-Guckert. They aimed for the evil mastermind and hit a guy who schedules staff meetings. I'm sure Osama is heartbroken.
Oh, before I forget, liberals are scum and should all be killed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 09:34 AM (0yYS2)
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No word from the media yet on how many babies he's eaten, how many barefoot and pregnant women are in his kitchen, or how much crack he's distributed in the inner city to oppress minorities.
I'll let you know when those details come out.
Posted by: j.d. at October 31, 2005 09:59 AM (VOnOQ)
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j.d.,
word from the Democrats is he's an "extremist" and a "divider" who is "extremely dissapointing".
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2005 10:09 AM (8e/V4)
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I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!
And I pity
Any girl who isn't me tonight.
I feel charming,
Oh, so charming
It's alarming how charming I feel!
And so pretty
That I hardly can believe I'm real.
See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!
I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy,
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 12:20 PM (TVaWo)
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Humidity's rising
Barometer's getting low
According to all sources
The street's the place to go
'Cos tonight for the first time
At just about half past ten
For the first time in history
It's gonna start raining men!
It's raining men!
Hallelujah it's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men!
Hallelujah it's raining men, Amen!
I'm gonna go out
I'm gonna let myself get
Absolutely soaking wet
It's raining men!
Hallelujah it's raining men
Every specimen
Tall blond dark and mean
Rough and tough and strong and lean
God bless Mother Nature
She's a single woman too!
She took on a heaven
And she did what she had to do!
She taught every angel
To rearrange the sky
So that each and every woman
Could find her perfect guy!
It's raining men!
Go get yourself wet girl
I know you want to
I feel stormy weather moving in
About to begin
Hear the thunder
Don't you lose your head
Rip off the roof and stay in bed
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2005 01:23 PM (0yYS2)
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greg, is that you? Good to see ya buddy!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2005 01:48 PM (8e/V4)
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If he supports the Constitution its more reasons the liberal demacrats willoppse his nomination
Posted by: sandpiper at October 31, 2005 01:51 PM (Zy1Y5)
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The Kos Kids are having a snit fit. I'm feeling real good today, after one of the worst weekends ever. Happy Halloween!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2005 02:20 PM (rUyw4)
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Hey Carlito. Happy Halloween!
Yes, it's me, but Impy must have posted that "raining men" song.
He feels pretty, oh so, pretty.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 31, 2005 04:11 PM (TVaWo)
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Hey, Greg, how do you like the President's pick for the Supreme Court?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2005 05:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Two Italian Americans on the court? Whatever.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 31, 2005 05:59 PM (TVaWo)
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Samuel Alito is definitely a right wing radical. He actually believes that the constitution is supposed to be followed, to the letter of the law....doesnt he know that judges are supposed to do what they feel is right regardless of what is in the constitution? Sort of like the umpires in the post season this year?
Posted by: Steve Sharon at November 01, 2005 12:40 AM (gpsk1)
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Hey greg, what is it like being a pathetic loser who has no friends and must troll in enemy territory to get people to pay attention to you? Do you just feel like another sheep bleating in the flock over at the libtard blogs, is that what it is? Do you feel special here? You should, you're our short-bus kid, and if that's the kind of "special" you're comfortable with, well then, good for you, but you don't get a star.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 01, 2005 10:25 AM (0yYS2)
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IM: Quit working my corner. Greg the traitor is my bitch.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2005 07:36 PM (ZaAd/)
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New Delhi Bombings - Update
(New Delhi) The number of dead from yesterday's three near-simultaneous
bombings at locations (
map) in New Delhi has grown to over 60 with around 200 injured, some seriously. Investigators have detained over 20 suspects in raids of small hotels around New Delhi. It is now known that two of the bombs exploded amid large shopping crowds at Paharganj and Sarojini Nagar. The third bomb, however, was on a
bus at the market of Govindpuri.
Police said they were looking for a man in his 20s who refused to buy a ticket on a bus and got off in the Govindpuri neighbourhood, leaving behind a large black bag. When some of the 40 passengers raised an alarm, the driver and bus conductor examined it and threw it out just as the blast occurred, injuring them both.
The media are in almost universal agreement that those responsible
belong to a little-known small terrorist group.
A man saying he represented the terrorist group "Islamic Inquilab Mahaz," or "Front for Islamic Uprising," took responsibility for the bombings in a call to the Kashmir News Service in Jammu and Kashmir. The little-known group is tied to the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba, the most feared terrorist group in Kashmir, police said.
The caller, who identified himself as Ahmed Yaar Ghaznavi, said the attack "was meant as a rebuff to the claims of Indian security groups" that terrorist fighters had been wiped out by military crackdowns and the October 8 South Asian earthquake.
Not everyone, though, agrees that Islamic Inquilab Mahaz (IIM) is a little known group as indicated by this
report from
The Times of India.
The group that has claimed responsibility for Saturday’s serial blasts in Delhi -- Islami Inqilabi Mahaz -- is neither unknown nor unfamiliar in India. According to terrorism analyst Ajai Sahni, it is just another name for Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is based in Pakistan under the influence of ISI and is the best known successor organisation of Al-Qaida.
The ISI is Pakistan's
Inter-Service Intelligence agency. A rogue element in the Pakistani government, ISI has strong links to Wahabism and radical Islamic political and military groups. Even so, a Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman
stated that "the attack in a crowded market place is a criminal act of terrorism."
From the Mumbai Mirror:
A day after the deadly blasts shook the Capital, the security brass indicated it had reasons to believe it was the handiwork of familiar jehadi module -- Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence operatives.
[ ... ]
Notwithstanding Islamabad's prompt denouncement of Delhi's serial blast, the government agencies said they have compelling evidence to prove that ISI modules are working with official Pak patronage. "We had the information that three or four modules -- each module consisting of a group three or four men -- had entered the country some time ago."
A massive search and destroy effort was undertaken to stop the ISI modules. Unfortunately, the effort hasn't been entirely successful.
Although the investigations of the bombings in New Delhi are ongoing, I believe some certainties have surfaced:
- The bombings were terrorist acts by a radical Islamic group,
- The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency is linked to the bombings,
- The ISI wields power largely independent of President Musharraf,
- The Indians are restless and expect a forceful government response, and
- By calling the group responsible for the bombings as 'little-known' or 'unknown,' the media demonstrate that they didn't do their homework.
In a directly-related
development, the trial of Lashkar-e-Taiba militant Mohammad Arif alias Ashfaq, believed to be a triggering circumstance for the New Delhi bombings, has concluded. Ashfaq was sentenced to death by a Delhi court.
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"By calling the groups responsible for the bombing as 'little known' or 'unknown', the media demonstrate that they didn't do their homework".
Fricking understatement of the year!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2005 08:33 AM (rUyw4)
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'Little known' or 'unknown', eh?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Sometimes I think the media are in active collusion with the forces of anti-civilization. Regardless, India needs to invade Pakistan and get it over with. As long as there is one muslim left alive in the world, there will be terrorism.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 08:36 AM (0yYS2)
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The ISI grew fat and powerful during the 1980's when ALL USA covert aid to the mujahadin passed through their hands.It was the ISI who also created the taliban movement. More misappropriation of what some call "DaneGeld, and what others may call blowback.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 31, 2005 08:42 AM (ads7K)
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John's right on this one. Because of foreign policy priorities throughout the 80's and 90's, the CIA financed the building of the Taliban and the growth of the ISI's power. I'd say it's definitely blowback, but our payments to the paleo-stinians are Dane-geld.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 09:00 AM (0yYS2)
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Thanks for the times
That youÂ’ve given me
The memories are all in my mind
And now that weÂ’ve come
To the end of our rainbow
ThereÂ’s something
I must say out loud
I'm once, twice
Three times a lady
Yes I'm once twice
Three times a lady
And I love you
When we are together
The moments I cherish
With every beat of my heart
To touch you to hold you
To feel you to need you
ThereÂ’s nothing to keep us apart
I'm once twice
Three times a lady
And I love you
I love you
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 12:22 PM (TVaWo)
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Humidity's rising
Barometer's getting low
According to all sources
The street's the place to go
'Cos tonight for the first time
At just about half past ten
For the first time in history
It's gonna start raining men!
It's raining men!
Hallelujah it's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men!
Hallelujah it's raining men, Amen!
I'm gonna go out
I'm gonna let myself get
Absolutely soaking wet
It's raining men!
Hallelujah it's raining men
Every specimen
Tall blond dark and mean
Rough and tough and strong and lean
God bless Mother Nature
She's a single woman too!
She took on a heaven
And she did what she had to do!
She taught every angel
To rearrange the sky
So that each and every woman
Could find her perfect guy!
It's raining men!
Go get yourself wet girl
I know you want to
I feel stormy weather moving in
About to begin
Hear the thunder
Don't you lose your head
Rip off the roof and stay in bed
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
It's raining men! Hallelujah!
It's raining men, Amen!
Posted by: greg at October 31, 2005 01:25 PM (0yYS2)
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October 29, 2005
Christian Schoolgirls Beheaded
(Poso, Indonesia) Three Christian girls walking to school were beheaded earlier today by men in black clothes and masks near the Muslim town of Poso. The town lies about 1,000 miles northeast of Jakarta and is in a region of considerable Muslim-Christian strife. This story
makes me sick.
From TheStar.com:
National police spokesman Aryanto Budiharjo said up to six men in black clothes and masks attacked the students in Bukit Bambu village, on the eastern island of Sulawesi.
"The perpetrators wore black attire and veils and they used machetes to slash (the victims)," he told reporters in Jakarta.
The three headless bodies of the high school students, dressed in brown uniforms, were left at the site of the attack. Three heads were found at separate locations two hours later by residents.
Earlier, a police official in Poso gave a different account, saying two men wearing helmets on a motorcycle attacked the 16-year-old students.
He said the student who escaped said the attackers wore helmets and carried a two-way radio.
The killings have been condemned by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono who called the murders "sadist and inhuman crimes."
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now to work out who did it out of the usual suspect list:
Quakers, Mormons, Christians, Jews.
Just kidding!!!
Posted by: dave at October 29, 2005 05:01 PM (CcXvt)
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I'm going to put my money on the "religion of peace".
Posted by: slug at October 29, 2005 06:04 PM (XRVMG)
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Damned. Jehova's. Witnesses.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2005 06:43 PM (0yYS2)
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You can go to Dog Pundit and see the photos of these girls who were slaughtered by the ROP. It would take an animal to do something as inhuman as this.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 29, 2005 07:38 PM (rUyw4)
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Happy Ramadan! Pieces on earth
Posted by: SheriJo at October 29, 2005 10:26 PM (zwdDy)
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There are photos (graphic) here:
http://dog-pundit.blogspot.com
Suck fucking Muslims.
Posted by: Ariya at October 30, 2005 01:33 AM (noCGr)
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For the umpteenth time in the last 1,100 years the "Religion of Peace" proves to be as honest as "we support the troops". And once again the MSM/DNC pretends it did not happen.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 30, 2005 05:04 AM (R3FcZ)
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More news: Muslims riot in Paris because two young hoodlums electrocuted themselves. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051030/wl_afp/franceriotpolice_051030022906
Not only is islam incompatible with civilization, muslims themselves are clearly little more than wild animals that should be sent back to their filthy deserts.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2005 08:59 AM (0yYS2)
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Maybe the French government should help these fine people out and make their community safer: shut off the electricity, demolish the sub stations and for good measure shut off water and telecom services too. You know, so this doesn't happen during future chases.
Posted by: Graeme at October 30, 2005 09:56 AM (z+vaK)
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IM: Whether they were being chased or not, people don't instinctively run from police if they haven't done anything wrong. And then they try to hide out in a high voltage area? And people riot over their stupidity?
After reading several accounts of the riots and the descriptions of the tough neighborhood this took place in with "soviet-style" public housing and gang activity, I'm surprised France has, so many times, had the nerve to criticize us.
Posted by: Oyster at October 30, 2005 10:11 AM (YudAC)
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my sentiments exactly, funny its always the innocent people who run from the police.. In respect of this thread i am disgusted at what these animals have done
Posted by: Sparky at October 30, 2005 10:21 AM (F1nba)
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They are still barbarian they are unclean uncivilized and evil and one day they will get thiers maybe a missle will find them and KABOOM blow them to smithereenies
Posted by: sandpiper at October 30, 2005 01:11 PM (jAP6C)
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The killings were probably the work of the
American trained Koppasus regiment, some of
whose officers are Christians.
Koppasus are the Gestapo of Indonesia.
You can see the work of Koppasus ninjas
in East Timor and in Java in 1998.
Posted by: Boyce at October 30, 2005 01:12 PM (gGGF7)
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Yeah this couldn't be the work of Jemaah Islamia they're meek as lambs (apart from killing hundreds of people in the name of Islam thing.)
instead it's the American trained crazy beheading Christian Nazi Stormtroopers.
Who did the Bali bombings Boyce, the in-Jesus's-name Christian Choir Special Weapons, and Tactics Group?
Reality Check, on Isle 1 please.
Posted by: dave at October 30, 2005 02:17 PM (CcXvt)
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No, Dave, I believe it to be the work of the Mormon Liberation Front. Or could it be the Baptist Jihadist Network? You know, the guys who are beheading all the Buddhists in Thailand. Oh, that's the Islamists. And it's the Islamists who slaughtered these poor girls in such a vile way. They are animals and Boyce and his liberal friends are their stooges and useful idiots.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 30, 2005 03:01 PM (rUyw4)
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It's the People's Front of Judea! Or is it the Judean People's Front? Either way; bloody splitters.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2005 03:10 PM (0yYS2)
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Yep. always the same story from the Left's reasoning:
The Dictator / terrorist or paramilitary was either funded / backed or trained by America.
Not surprising when their thought process consists of America being ran by Dr. Evil (Rove), and Minime (Bush) that America has to have a hand in all the evil, somehow.
Posted by: dave at October 30, 2005 03:50 PM (CcXvt)
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Great, now the world has to worry about rogue conservative ninjas. The CIA had better start keeping an eye on the shaolin monks of the Rove Tiger Claw Monastery before they go crazy too. For shame America!
Posted by: Graeme at October 30, 2005 04:40 PM (Uq3LX)
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Yet another example of muslim cowardice. Killing little girls is really brave, you gutless muslim wankers. No conspiracy here Boyce you moron. Look at the world and wake up...all muslims are vermin who beg for mercy when the coalition troops kick their butts but are so brave when butchering civilians in their little groups of masked pussies.
Posted by: Jester at October 30, 2005 04:52 PM (QKZX5)
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Unholy screaming GI TORTURERS!!!! As reported on Frontline, BUSH'S Dishonourable GIs are invading Iraqi homes and torturing people! SMASHING BONES with axe handles, BURNING flesh with lighters and hummvie exhaust pipes, angry dogs, savage thug BEATINGS...
Shipping containers used as portable torture chambers! NAZIstyle hypotermia TORTURE near Icy DEATH Is it a lie? No!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/interviews/lagouranis.html
SHAME ON TORTURERS AND THEIR BOSSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 30, 2005 10:09 PM (Buic0)
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>>>Shipping containers used as portable torture chambers! NAZIstyle hypotermia TORTURE near Icy DEATH Is it a lie? No!
Down Syndrome,
Personally I hope they torture the shit out of those jihadis. They can do it in a shoebox for all I care.
Posted by: Carlos in Jesusland at October 30, 2005 10:24 PM (8e/V4)
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Note topic thread and DSM remarks - the only conclusion one could make is that DSM fully supports the beheading murder of schoolchildren as a valid justified response to his absurb over-the-top counter-charges
Posted by: hondo at October 31, 2005 01:06 AM (ymtSt)
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Boyce said:
"The killings were probably the work of the
American trained Koppasus regiment, some of
whose officers are Christians."
The girls were on their way to a private Christian high school. So naturally we would deduce that Christians were behind it. Right. Good job, Boyce.
Posted by: Oyster at October 31, 2005 06:46 AM (YudAC)
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Jihadis could be right in the middle of sawing a Liberal's head off and said Liberal would find a way to die excusing it. His buddies would then find a way to blame christians somehow. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Carlos in Jesusland at October 31, 2005 08:09 AM (8e/V4)
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I wish these idiot liberals would go ahead and start their precious revolution, I want to start my skull collection dammit!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 08:50 AM (0yYS2)
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DSM and his stooges approve the murder of all Christians, no matter who does it. They support all manner of barbarity, including head chopping, throat slitting, burning alive, etc. That's why no one listens to them when they alledge torture, because they condone murder using the most barbaric methods and apparently want to return to the Dark Ages. DSM is a psychopath and a proven liar.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2005 08:53 AM (rUyw4)
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After what I saw this weekend, Maximus, I'm about ready to join you. The depravity of these people is beyond anything I have ever seen. I've had it!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2005 08:55 AM (rUyw4)
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We're locked and loaded here in the Texas hill country. I might be too far from the action when it starts though
Plug a few of them for me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2005 09:23 AM (8e/V4)
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Don't be too sure of it Carlos, those dangol' Christian ninjas may come after you!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 31, 2005 10:28 AM (0yYS2)
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Bomb Blasts in New Delhi, Scores Killed
(New Delhi, India) Three powerful
bombs were detonated today in crowded shopping areas (
map) of the capital city. The first blast occurred about 5:40pm IST at the main market in Paharganj, a popular meeting area for foreign tourists and backpackers. Another explosion followed in Sarojini Nagar, a busy shopping area popular among the middle class and foreigners. Soon after, the teeming market of Govindpuri was attacked. Police, fire brigades, bomb disposal teams, and anti-terror squads rushed to the scene as the whole city was placed on
security alert.
Thus far, reports on the number of casualties have been sketchy. The dead and injured are expected to be numerous. Most places were unusually crowded due to the upcoming Diwali festival, a major Hindu holiday during which families exchange gifts, light candles and celebrate with fireworks.
It's unclear who is responsible for the blasts, but Minister of State for Home Sriprakash Jaiswal stated that the attacks were "handiwork of those who were backed by anti-India elements."
"From preliminary observations, it can be said the explosives were kept in a cycle rickshaw or a motorcycle. At least 40 are injured and six to eight people have expired," Delhi Police Commissioner KK Paul told reporters in Paharganj.
According to Home Secretary V.K. Duggal, an alert was sounded in all states for possible terrorist attacks during the Diwali season.
The Guardian reports that a bus was bombed in addition to the shopping areas.
Rediff India reports that 50 people are dead and 70 are injured. Also, the blasts are suspected to be the handiwork of banned Pakistan-based Lashker-e-Toiba outfit.
HindustanTimes.com reports that:
- 48 are confirmed dead,
- Police raid hotels in Paharganj,
- Home Ministry says RDX was used in blasts,
- Two suspects arrested at New Delhi Railway Station,
- Blasts being blamed on an intelligence failure.
A top advisor to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated that the bombings were surely the work of terrorists but which group is unknown at present. Opposition from numerous terrorist groups constantly faces India. From fringe organizations to militarized Kashmiri rebels, India has its enemies.
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I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE DETAILS OF THE BLAST WHICH OCCURED TODAY(29TH OCTOBER,2005)
PLEASE POST ME ON THE LATEST DETAILS ON MY EMAIL.
THANK YOU
KUSHAL SHAH
Posted by: kushal at October 29, 2005 01:41 PM (AnQsz)
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Christian schoolgirls beheaded in Indonesia. Your tsunami relief dollars at work! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173913,00.html
Anyone who doesn't believe that islam must be wiped from the face of the earth is an idiot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2005 03:06 PM (0yYS2)
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What gain does one achieve in killing innocents???
The masterminds when caught should not tried just publically burned alive!!!!!
Also the Indonesian incident is just shocking and shocking.
The attack which took place in India is just to put fear into the public.Every1 knows that since a big festival is round the corner a lot people will be out shopping,etc....ah a perfect place to attack.The idea is just to kill innocents. and what the ####ing justification to they have???
Lets wait and see who claims the resposibility of these attacks.No one will be surprised to find out who did it..
Posted by: Roopesh at October 29, 2005 04:11 PM (YxeqH)
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More lives destroyed and ruined because of the arrogance and faked morality of a culture / religion. Savages. May the Indian government deal some Israeli style justice to these bastards.
Three girls on the way to school - that's bravery for you. Holy warriors indeed. I guess this badge will go nicely next to their puppy kicking badge.
Posted by: Graeme at October 29, 2005 04:55 PM (hHZ8j)
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Miserble cowards use bombs to kill the inocent one day they will get theirs maybe one of the bombs their making will explode while thier making it and end their dirty work
Posted by: sandpiper at October 29, 2005 05:36 PM (EPfmS)
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Michael Moore-on's Minutemen for you. Indonesian schoolgirls out of Iraq! Oh, wait...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2005 06:51 PM (0yYS2)
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The "Religion of Peace" seems to be dominating all the threads tonight. Surely a peaceful religion would condemn these dastardly attacks! I can almost hear the imans now. Let's see, what is that noise?
/crickets chirping
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 29, 2005 07:43 PM (rUyw4)
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The crickets have been working overtime here lately.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2005 08:33 PM (0yYS2)
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Yes, Maximus, they have, but the lefty/liberals are so happy about the Libby indictment and are hardly concerned about children being murdered in the most horrible of ways. They are only concerned if the brown skinned happen to be Muslim.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 29, 2005 09:29 PM (rUyw4)
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Yeah, deaths only mean something if they can be used against America in some way. Liberals care about the deaths of paleo-stinian terrorists but not the Jews they murder. They care about American soldiers for their propaganda value, but they
really care about the terroists in US custody, who may be made uncomfortable while on sabbatical from murdering innocent people. Liberals are all scum and should all be killed. See? It sounds a little less crazy every day, doesn't it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2005 09:02 AM (0yYS2)
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I just got through reading an article a few weeks ago praising how India is so much more superior to others in that their Arab Muslim immigrants had assimilated so well into the Indian culture and everyone lived in peace there. I sure wish I could find it now.
Posted by: Oyster at October 30, 2005 12:13 PM (YudAC)
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Yeah Oyster, I've heard that line before too, but the truth is that since independence and partition there have been frequent incidents of violence between muslims and Hindus in India, often with dozens or hundreds dead, and usually over something stupid like a goat or something like that.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2005 03:13 PM (0yYS2)
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I am so disgusted by the actions of the ROP this weekend, especially the beheading of the little girls, that I cannot stand to even look at a Muslim.
When will the moderate Muslims, if they exist, speak out against this evil. The civilized governments of the World need to take action quickly, or it's about time for their citizens to. After this weekend, I'm ready myself.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 30, 2005 06:20 PM (rUyw4)
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Jesusland joe
They can't for two reasons - even moderate muslims are irrationally protective of their "dirty laundry" while at the same time doing little to nothing in washing it. Some kind of stupid hangup.
The other reason is one we rarely here about. Terror as a tactic sometimes works - and terror and violence is widespread throughout the muslim world against other muslims. Speak up or speak out in some countries and the fanatics will kill you and your family with little fear from their governments.
Posted by: hondo at October 30, 2005 10:05 PM (ymtSt)
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Where is Twistyhead Klanrooster??? Has he plumbed his hate out of his arteries?
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 30, 2005 10:13 PM (Buic0)
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No. He's looking for you DSM. You could use a plumb job.
Posted by: Oyster at October 31, 2005 05:44 AM (YudAC)
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I hope he finds DSM and gives him the kind of plumb job DSM deserves! Now that would be justice!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2005 09:00 AM (rUyw4)
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i lost so many delhiites in this bomb blast.. they turned a festival into a never forgettable nightmare. what the hell did those ****ers gain by killing innocents who had as much say in it as any alien on any other planet!!!
i hope that they the worst of all deaths, the most painful one..
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October 28, 2005
A Quick Look At The Indictment
I just got done listening to Fitzgerald's press conference.
I believe that in addition to Scooter Libby, the following people should be forced to resign in the wake of this scandal:
Ari Fleischer
John Ashcroft
Colin Powell
Paul O'Neill
My mailman
The grumpy lady at the social security office
The entire staff of the Internal Revenue Service
One final thought. Now that he has copious amounts of free time, perhaps Mr. Libby can track down the person who nicknamed him "Scooter" and kick his ass.
Ok, I gotta go back to work now.
UPDATE:
Howie says his parents nicknamed him. Well then, that explains how he turned into such a hardened criminal.
And while we're on the subject, I must announce that I am asking Rusty to refer to a special prosecutor in order to investigate WHO LEAKED MY EMAIL TO FILTHY ALLAH! Who, btw, is cooking beef stew today.
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Uh his parents called him that because as he was learning to crawl he scooted around in some fashion I'm not sure exactly how. But they called him scooter and it stuck.
One comment Fitzgerald is a pit bull of a prosecutor. He goes after anyone no matter the party. If this was all he found it makes me feel pretty good. Scooter just made the same mistake Martha did. Keep yer mouth shut silly.
Posted by: Howie at October 28, 2005 02:27 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: Filthy Allah at October 28, 2005 02:37 PM (5ceWd)
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And another fine example of our media: As the President finished his short announcement just now, you could hear a reporter in the background shout (I'll paraphrase, but it's pretty much on the mark)
"(unintelligible) ...do you find this embarrassing?"
I would have turned around and said "FU". But that's just me ;-)
Posted by: Oyster at October 28, 2005 02:59 PM (fl6E1)
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Okey, it's official. As with my cup of coffee, I now need the Jawa report to keep me on my game. This is great over here.
Posted by: thirdee at October 28, 2005 03:48 PM (8B6UC)
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Hurray for democracy!!!! at least
Posted by: Roopesh at October 28, 2005 04:03 PM (YxeqH)
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Hurray for democracy ar last.No party will dispute that!!!
Posted by: Roopesh at October 28, 2005 04:04 PM (YxeqH)
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Vinnie: He first called it "Filthy's Kitchen". Somehow that just didn't sound right. But then, Filthy ain't right ;-)
Posted by: Oyster at October 28, 2005 04:15 PM (fl6E1)
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I think the entire CIA should be forced to resign. As well as Sandy Berger,Jamie Gorelick and Madeline Albright. Add Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer just to clean Cal up.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 28, 2005 04:21 PM (R3FcZ)
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Bush should offer Libby a pardon in the tradition of Clinton, but Libby probably doesn't have two million dollars with which to buy a pardon.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 28, 2005 05:48 PM (0yYS2)
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Dang! Is that what pardons are going for these days?
Posted by: Oyster at October 28, 2005 08:18 PM (YudAC)
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Depends on the crime. I hear Marc Rich got off for a quarter million, but I could be wrong. By the way, has anyone else heard anything about the Marc Rich connection in the oil for food scandal? It wouldn't be surprising to hear that the Clintons were getting kickbacks from Saddam all that time too. The sooner the Clintons are tried and hanged for treason the happier I'll be.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2005 12:12 PM (0yYS2)
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Even with all the things the Clinton's have been involved in over the years, I would be very sad to hear that one.
Posted by: Oyster at October 30, 2005 06:14 AM (YudAC)
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Danes Arrest Muslims in Terror Plot
(Copenhagen, Denmark) Four male Middle Eastern Muslims, aged 16 to 20, have been arrested in Denmark on suspicion of planning a suicide terror attack in Europe.
From the BBC:
The arrests were linked to a recent inquiry in the Balkans in which arrests were made and large quantities of explosives were found, police said.
No details were given of the intended target of the group's alleged plot.
"We suspect the four young men of being participants in preparation of terrorist acts somewhere in Europe," said police spokesman Joern Bro.
The suspects are closely linked to three men arrested previously in the Balkans for planning an attack on the British or American embassies in Sarajevo. A tipster in an unnamed Balkan nation led to the arrests.
Notably, most of the reporting on this story is referring to the suspected terrorists as 'men.' In my opinion, 16-year-old boys are not men and at least one of the suspects is 16. The thought of having boys running around Europe with terrorism on their minds is frightening. Boys usually can mingle anonymously in society since they are not old enough to have graduated from school, nor to have a work history, nor to have been in the government or military. Typically, there are no photographs nor fingerprints. Spooky.
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Muslims? Involved in a
terror plot? I am shocked sir!
Shocked I say! I'll bet a dollar they were framed by the Joooooos!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 28, 2005 07:36 AM (0yYS2)
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Sixteen is a whole different matter in Europe. Whereas the U.S seems to revolve around the age of eighteen, in Britain I could legally purchase, and smoke cigarettes, leave both school and home,and sex was considered consensual.
Just a little perspective of sixteen europe vs. eighteen American.
Posted by: dave at October 28, 2005 07:51 AM (CcXvt)
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It's not all that suprising really. Look at how many times the IDF has stopped early teen Palistinian terrorist wannabes at checkpoints. With the hatred these guys are fed constantly, the trend is bound to show up elsewhere in the world. I guess we'll hear how the Danes are the guilty ones because they didn't do enough to integrate them, yada, yada, yada.
Posted by: Graeme at October 28, 2005 07:53 AM (3UvA/)
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I noticed the same thing at a muslim wedding I photographed last year. The two families were pretty much all first and second generation Pakistani-Americans, with a few old-country visitors and recent arrivals. The older ones, the original immigrants and the adult or near adult children who were born here, were all pretty much Americanized, especially the girls, who though being dressed in native clothing, weren't at all shy about me photographing them and who sounded just like any girl in any mall across America.
The difference I noticed was in the boys under 21, who were mostly sullen and kept glancing at me and my wife, who were two of the only three white people there, the third being a guy who converted to marry a muslim girl. The looks they gave me were nothing short of suspicious and hostile, and I suspected that they are products of a combination of normal male teenage angst and confusion and a feeling of alienation from the only society they've ever known. They are strangers in their own country, yet it isn't their own country.
I make no excuses for the bad behavior of anyone, and even less so for anyone who has been given every consideration and opportunity in a society that accepts all without judgment, but I do understand how young muslims males can become so easily radicalised. The only viable solution I can see is to strengthen the rules allowing deportation so that when these boys are clearly failing to assimilate, they should be sent home.
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October 27, 2005
Miers Withdraws as Supreme Court Nominee
President Bush announced the withdrawal of Harriet Miers as a nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court. The President reluctantly accepted her letter of withdrawal. No links yet. Developing ...
[Update 0950 EDT]
It's being reported that Miers talked to President Bush last night and asked if she could withdraw.
From the Chicago Tribune:
President Bush said he reluctantly accepted her decision to withdraw, after weeks of insisting that he did not want her to step down. He blamed her withdrawal on calls in the Senate for the release of internal White House documents that the administration has insisted were protected by executive privilege.
"It is clear that senators would not be satisfied until they gained access to internal documents concerning advice provided during her tenure at the White House -- disclosures that would undermine a president's ability to receive candid counsel," Bush said. "Harriet Miers' decision demonstrates her deep respect for this essential aspect of the constitutional separation of powers -- and confirms my deep respect and admiration for her."
Washington is stunned by the news since the withdrawal of a nominee is quite
unusual. It has occurred with only seven of 150 nominees in the history of the Supreme Court.
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How are you Mr. American?
I'm great I used to have to study the bible and go through life to determine right and wrong but now since the Feds and corporations showed me in plain black and white thay they have clear title to my body I've stopped all that.
What do yo do now?
I just read the Federal code of law and the company policy book. They tell me just what I can't put in my body, Where I can go, What I can do, who I can hang with and that my money still belongs to them even after I get the check for my work and I should spend it where they tell me to. Saves me a whole lot of trouble. Freedom was so burdensome I had to make all kinds of descisions. Now that I'm a slave I'm happy. Big load off my mind.
Posted by: Howie at October 27, 2005 11:15 AM (D3+20)
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Must be in the wrong thead - sorry.
Posted by: hondo at October 27, 2005 11:57 AM (ymtSt)
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Must be in the wrong thread - sorry.
Posted by: hondo at October 27, 2005 11:58 AM (ymtSt)
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I nominate Filthy for the supreme court
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:44 PM (msD7v)
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Screw that, I nominate Maximus...he'd kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out later!
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Judge Orders Release of Gitmo Records
Lawyers representing hunger-striking Guantanamo Bay detainees have
convinced U.S. District Court Judge Gladys Kessler to order the government to inform detainees' defense lawyers at least 24 hours before any force-feeding and to provide the lawyers with medical records weekly.
Julia Tarver, a lawyer for three of the detainees, asserted in court papers that when she visited her clients she found them weak and sometimes able to speak only with difficulty because of throat lesions they said were caused by having the feeding tubes forced in. Ms. Tarver said one detainee, Yousef Al-Shehri, told her that a feeding tube had been roughly inserted through his nose into his throat, causing him to spit up blood.
Notably, without the forced-feeding, the detainees likely would have died and, according to the government, none have.
Judge Kessler acted on an emergency petition because it was "deeply troubling" that detainees had feeding tubes inserted without sedatives or anesthesia.
"If the allegations are true - and they are all explicitly, specifically and vigorously denied by the government - they describe the conduct of which the United States can hardly be proud," the judge wrote.
Although Kessler directed the government to provide notifications and records, she denied the request for the lawyers to have immediate telephone access to the detainees.
It seems that Judge Kessler's decision is based exclusively on the adequacy of the medication administered to the detainees prior to inserting the feeding tubes. Her ruling indicates that the detainees are not sufficiently drugged before having a tube shoved up their noses and down their esophaguses. I must assume that there have been past cases where judges have determined the amount medication to be administered. I'm personally uncomfortable with the idea. In my estimation, no amount of legal training and experience prepares a judge to practice medicine.
Nevertheless, ordering the release of medical documents will surely prompt the detainees' lawyers to start searching for other issues to litigate. The latest wrangling over the medication issue is part of an ongoing campaign by human rights advocates to force the government into giving the detainees more legal rights.
It's unknown whether the government will appeal.
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Anyone amazed that a Judge is able to determine Medicine?
it works for the Insurance Companies who's $12.00/hr lackeys decide what medication you can, and can't have if they pay for it, or when you're well enough to leave Hospital etc.
The whole system needs fixing.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 07:56 AM (CcXvt)
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I have NEVER sedated or anesthetized a patient to insert a nasogastric tube. What a load!
Posted by: Bill at October 27, 2005 08:30 AM (HnpxX)
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I've never really understood why we can't just leave them to starve. everyone else has the right to commit suicide in any way they like. I know there's the argument about providing martyrs for the cause, but I'm not convinced that decades of what amounts to torture deflates any of that!
Same with the dirty protests in Ireland in the 70's. If they want to paint their cell walls in excrement & sit in it, let them.
Of course this only applies if you belive they are capable of making rational decisions. But if you don't, then they should not be in prison in the first place, as they can not have commited a deliberate crime.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 27, 2005 08:54 AM (cZrVc)
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I agreee. Let them starve. No skin off my nose, since I would have had them shot when their interrogation was finished.
Posted by: Scott in CA at October 27, 2005 10:31 AM (rF49i)
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If things keep going the way they are, it won't be long before the military will have to ask a court for permission to drop a bomb. One wonders how a war can be fought with constant court interventions, and one wonders where all the money is coming from for these people. If I had to guess, I would bet the money is coming from the US government, as stupid as that sounds. The money has to be coming from someplace, perhaps even foreigners. This needs to be looked into. Sure wish we had a media.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:32 AM (rUyw4)
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Joe,
I believe you're correct, they do get taxpayers money from a clause in the Civil Rights Act, one of the following proposed amendments is a direct attack against the ACLU being funded under the Civil Rights Act:
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2005/06/01/public-expression-of-religion-act-of-2005-introduced-in-house/
This article also references it:
http://www.legion.org/?section=pub_relations&subsection=pr_listreleases&content=pr_press_release&id=289
The 1976 Civil Rights Attorney's Fee Awards Act was much needed legislation, but in recent years, certain groups have abused the congressional intent of this public law in 'Establishment Clause' lawsuits against the Boy Scouts of America, the Ten Commandments, and now veterans' memorials, " said Thomas P. Cadmus, National Commander of The American Legion. "And it is time to fix it!"
"Exorbitant attorney fees awarded by Courts to be paid by American taxpayers has become the newest 'Sword of Damocles' strategically employed by organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to coerce settlements by cities, counties, states, and large organizations like the Boy Scouts of America and the Department of Defense by suits and threats of lawsuits against any public expression of America's religious history, heritage, and values," Cadmus said. "When out-of-court settlements are more cost effective than the judicial process, then the system is clearly broken."
While the articles mainly reference religious practice, it's not a far stretch of the imagination to conclude that their current lawsuits also are filed under "Civil Rights" and you're picking up the tab.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 11:05 AM (CcXvt)
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Jesusland Joe,
Do you know anything at all about the media? I'm a reporter, and I can tell you that YOU have every bit as much ability and right to look into these things as I have. And you have just as much ability as I have to publish your findings on the Internet.
As for your concern that a war can't be fought with judicial involvement, have you ever heard of the concept of inalienable rights? It's this novel idea our FOUNDING FATHERS talked a bit about in our Constitution. And while they were using it in reference to the people of the United States, they were saying that it was applicable to all people. In fact, that's the whole reason we're fighting this war in Iraq, isn't it? Our action is based on the notion that Iraqis have the same inalienable rights, and their government should reflect this fact.
If we are not consistent with those beliefs in the way we treat prisoners of war, we will lose the central battle here -- the moral battle, the battle of ideas.
Posted by: whit at October 27, 2005 11:15 AM (VY4j/)
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whit:
what's the "grim milestone" for this "moral battle, the battle of ideas." of yours, and do you have any flashy graphics / taglines to show me how we're losing it?
Just asking?
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 11:23 AM (CcXvt)
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They're not "prisoners of war" whit, they're captured terrorists. To be a legal POW, they must be uniformed members of a military force engaged in declared conflict, among other criteria. Since they fit none of these criteria, they are criminals and terrorists, and should be beaten daily with a rubber hose while hanging from their genitalia, and made to sleep in their own filth until they talk, then taken out and shot and buried wrapped in pigskin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 02:41 PM (0yYS2)
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Whit,
I was a newspaper editor for a small daily while in college, and had wanted to make it my career. I know a little about the media, especially the AP, through my experiences with them and other actors in the newspaper business.
I do not claim to have any special knowledge about the Constitution, other than what any citizen might gain from a reading of it. I do not believe I read anything in the Constitution that gave particular rights to the enemies of the United States, and most particular to persons who attack the US without the benefit of fighting for a recognized party under certain treaties signed and duly ratified by the US Senate. But I freely admit I could be wrong.
And yes, I admit I want the Iraqi people to have the same basic rights I have, but the insurgents are the ones trying to prevent that, i.e. we are in a conflict with them. They are not recognized as combatants by treaty or international law, so I must assume they should not receive the same treatment as a POW under international agreements. If I am wrong, please correct me, because I admit to not having specialized knowledge in this field.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 03:23 PM (rUyw4)
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"they are criminals and terrorists, and should be beaten daily with a rubber hose while hanging from their genitalia, and made to sleep in their own filth until they talk, then taken out and shot and buried wrapped in pigskin."
Is that how you usually treat criminals in the USA?
i agree they are criminals, and therefore have the same rights as any other criminals - specifically not to be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 27, 2005 03:42 PM (cZrVc)
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Mrs. A, Should they also be force fed if they choose not to eat or, left to die as they wish? I recently read the menus for the detainees at Gitmo. It turns out that we are providing over $12 of food a day to the detainees and less than $9 a day to the military working there.
It is my belief that if a person chooses not to eat and, they are fully capable of feeding themselves and offered decent food, than you should let them starve to death. Choice, isn't that what America is all about?
Posted by: babs at October 27, 2005 03:57 PM (fAmiP)
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Mrs A., it's how I'd treat someone who just blew up a bomb in the middle of a bunch of children or my friends. What would you do, offer him some granola and a hug?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 06:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Ah, but IM you're misunderstanding the issues:
Only terrorists have the inalienable rights to not be tortured, nor murdered -- doesn't apply to their victims evidently !
No sir -- Terrorists they have the right to three squares a day, special religious treatment, air conditioners, craft materials and an arrow pointing to Mecca.
Welcome to a softer kind of War™
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 09:31 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave, how did you do that?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 27, 2005 10:14 PM (rUyw4)
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Improbuli - the scrubbies are helping you recover from the pitching machine and pumping party accidents. Stop wacking your head with bricks and listen hard - DSSM is always watching weasels jumping around in your head.
You cant get awaay!!! WOO HOOO!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 27, 2005 10:47 PM (msD7v)
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What did he do jj? You mean this: ™? If so, it's ALT 0153.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 11:29 PM (0yYS2)
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Babs, please see my first comment. I believe they have every right to commit suicide in any way they think will be fun. Starvation doesn't rank particulalrly high in my book, but each to their own.
However, if you agree they are criminals, convicted of murder/treason whatever, they should be treated as criminals, which in America I believe means they should not be tortured, injured, forcibly starved etc. If you believe they are POW's, they should be treated under the codes of the Geneva Convention. If you think you need to invent a new category of detainee for terrorists, you need to draft/pass a law explaining their status.
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 28, 2005 01:43 AM (cZrVc)
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We elect presidents but were run by judges what a mess these fools are creating with the stupididly
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October 26, 2005
Wal-Mart Attacked
In an effort to reduce employee health care costs and enhance profitability, a
memo recommending the hiring of more part-time workers and discouraging the hiring of unhealthy people was drafted for submittal to the Wal-Mart Board of Directors. In draft form, the memo was intercepted and anonymously sent to
Wal-Mart Watch, a union-backed activist group, which claims that a 'secret memo' was uncovered. On the other hand, it appears that Wal-Mart just considered the memo to be an internal document which was freely released in updated form when it was asked for.
Nonetheless, the union-backed team at Wal-Mart Watch is attempting to demonize Wal-Mart in its seemingly reasonable attempt to develop ideas and methods to reduce health care costs. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything wrong with part-time workers or discouraging the hiring of unhealthy workers. Nor do I see anything wrong with trying to enhance profitability.
Without scrutinizing the Wal-Mart memo, it's impossible to determine the reasonableness of the proposed changes. On the surface, it appears to reflect nothing more than a day in the operation and administration of a business. Unfortunately, and I've witnessed it already, the mainstream media have been characterizing the memo as an indication of a sinister and evil conspiracy to discriminate and subjugate.
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You have never lived in a small town where Wal-Mart moves in and runs all the retail off. I am legally blind. I worry that I would not be welcome in the world where Wal-Mart picks and chooses people based on health care cost. My wife as asthma. She would also not be welcome I bet. I hope you and your family never have to deal with health problems. If you do, remember, Wal-Mart doesn't want you. What employer is next?
Me
Posted by: Kelly at October 26, 2005 06:55 AM (Dv2l6)
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Mike,
The link "Just me" points to http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/<a href=
obviously 404.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 08:16 AM (CcXvt)
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Clearly reading comprehension is old skool. The memo was not "freely" distributed. The memo was distributed when it was specifically asked for. Really though that is not what's important in this article. Let me point them out for you.
... 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid
These are gainfully employed contributing members of society. Does this not phase you in the least? These aren't people who just sit around waiting for the government. They are trying to do something.
cutting 401(k) contributions to 3 percent of wages from 4 percent ...
I think we all know there is something not right with social security. This should at least raise an eyebrow - at least one.
Her memo stated that 5 percent of Wal-Mart's workers were on Medicaid,...
On the flip side you have states like Ms and Fl axing benefits to these people who of all things ... are working. Lets discourage them a little more.
This is an article, not about some labor union thing, this is an article about the largest retailer in the United States struggling with health care costs that are rising at 15% a year! This is an inside view of the types of descisions that go on - this is business 101.
Posted by: David at October 26, 2005 08:54 AM (3fsXw)
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Kelly - I'm not unsympathetic to your situation, however, I sense that your attitude towards Wal-Mart was solidified prior to the latest memo. My contention is that Wal-Mart isn't doing anything that another company wouldn't do. Wal-Mart is unfairly demonized because it's non-union.
Dave - Thanks.
Posted by: Mike at October 26, 2005 08:54 AM (ywZa8)
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 26, 2005 09:12 AM (vhWf1)
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Unions are full of coruption why dont we have a union watch to take adeep look at what the unions are doing especialy the ALF/CIO and the TEAMSTERS
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 09:49 AM (0Wk0b)
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my Father-in-law told me that a turbine engine that took 7 hours to strip down in their Texas plant (Non-Union) took 5 workdays in the California plant (Union)
He said their work was constantly interrupted because they could not carry parts to an X-ray machine, or measuring machines because the Union manager would insist that another plant worker would have to pick up the parts, and take it to their destination for them, when my Father-in-law said he would do it himself, the Union manager would repeat the same mantra:
This is union here Buddy, you're taking another mans job
He said that was the last time he volunteered to go out there to help do an engine breakdown, and that shortly after that the company opened another plant in Mexico where it was cheaper for them to do repairs.
No wonder some companies choose to outsource.
Posted by: dave at October 26, 2005 10:25 AM (CcXvt)
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While I have no love for unions, who have almost single-handedly destroyed American industry, (as per Marx's plan), I cannot take sides with Wal-Mart, whose employees are only slighty better treated than the Chinese sweatshop workers whose near-slave labor produced products they sell.
I saw Wal-Mart move into my area two decades ago and systematically turn all three towns in the county into ghost towns through their rapacious business practices. Family owned businesses that had been there for a hundred years were almost all boarded up, with the few survivors left to sell gas, beer and cigarettes. Wal-Mart is a plague upon the land, and anyone who shops there deserves to lose their job to Chinese prison labor.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 10:50 AM (0yYS2)
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Poor H. Lee Scott, send him a dollar he is paid 17.5 million dollars a year. The first thing Mr. Scott sould do is take responsibility for the memo. Fire the person who wrote the memo. and apologize to all the associates who work for this pitiful excuse for a Chineese 10 cent store. The managers and not professional just 90 day wonders with no back bone. They follow Mr. Scott like sheep.
Mr. Scott when will the company evaluat people on their abilities rather than the color of their nose. We have some people who work at Wal Mart and if the store manager would stop suddenly they would have a brown ring around their neck. Suck ups and people who take advantage are part of your waste and fat. You have rules and your management team chooses not to follow ther rules. I have heard it is in the book. The problem is everyone has a different book. Ther truth of the matter is too many chiefs and not enough Indians. But I am sorry now you probably do not want to hire native Americans. Get a grip you never are so big you can not fall. It will be a sad world when the only choice you have is to shop at Wal Mart / the modern day Ben Franklin. We are a cheap company with greedy leadership and nothing for the worker.
Take a up coming company who condsiders their people COSTCO, they provide the essentials.
Mr. Scott the days of your power will soon be over.
Let the people share in your wealth. You are putting Wal Mart in the toilet and the people you have in you management team are dragging the company and you along with them into the gutter. Associates have family friends and children. A back lash will most certainly occur.
I am sick and tired of your failure and your weak promises. Remember FEMA Sam Walton would have done the right thing. Mr. Scott you are not Sam Walton, and this is not how he would have run this company.
Call Benntonville, every day and have people tell them this is still the United States we do not treat people this way. Call congressmen, Call Senators. Email them call the local stores and talk to store managers. Call the newspapers call television call radio. Start phone grops. Together we all can show we are strong and united.
We can not let H. Lee Scott and his band of demons destroy the principles started by Sam Walton. It is not the nice place ot company he started. This company does not care all they want is blood and sweat no matter who get hurt.
Posted by: demiozkan at October 26, 2005 06:30 PM (a0mqV)
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Does anyone want to know why Wal-Mart wants to raise the minimum wage? Because it would hurt small businesses, that's why. Wally World could absorb a little extra payroll cost with ease, but most mom & pops would have to lay off or close up, thereby broadening the Evil Empire's market share. Wal-Mart should be prosecuted under the anti-trust laws, and broken up just like Ma Bell and Standard Oil.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 07:45 PM (0yYS2)
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No person, not even Bush can stop Wal-Mart. There is only one way. Don't buy there stuff and do every thing you can to help others do the same. Wal-Mart is selling America and it is going to keep doing it because you let it, every American needs to stand up and do what they can to help save our country. Wal-Mart watch is just that. People who see the evil and trying to pass the word. So to who ever owns this blog I say this. Wal-Mart watch is a way to bring people with the same views together to support the ballot boxes you talk of. And you use the idea that if you donÂ’t like it, go some where else. Well maybe you should do the same with the blog you donÂ’t like. Seems to make your whole argument pointless.
Posted by: Some dude at October 26, 2005 08:08 PM (/+zf3)
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No person, not even Bush can stop Wal-Mart. There is only one way. Don't buy there stuff and do every thing you can to help others do the same. Wal-Mart is selling America and it is going to keep doing it because you let it, every American needs to stand up and do what they can to help save our country. Wal-Mart watch is just that. People who see the evil and trying to pass the word. So to who ever owns this blog I say this. Wal-Mart watch is a way to bring people with the same views together to support the ballot boxes you talk of. And you use the idea that if you donÂ’t like it, go some where else. Well maybe you should do the same with the blog you donÂ’t like. Seems to make your whole argument pointless.
Posted by: Some dude at October 26, 2005 08:09 PM (/+zf3)
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I shop at the local "Walmart Grocery Store" which, for those whom do not have them are just like the Grocery section in the Walmart SuperStore but freestanding.
Sure they're hurting the competition here, Albertson's already closed one of their stores in our city, however they're also a large corporation and that's the nature of competition, and it's not like we have a single family owned Grocery store here anyway.
Interestingly when people complain about Walmart taking jobs and peoples livelyhood, do you feel the same way about stores with automated checkouts?
I'm not sure about most states but here Walmart, HomeDepot, Lowes, Albertsons, Target have automated scanners that you use to checkout your own merchandise, this of course save the stores about 8 checkout workers, and 1 manager per shift, many times a day, effectively replacing workers with "robots" (hah who said the 1950's campy comic books were wrong?)
This I am sure is leading us down a road to where there will eventually be hardly any people in stores, by removing customer service Corporations can increase their profit margin. For those whom think that could never happen: remember at one time in this country, you could get your gas pumped for you, someone to clear your table at a fast food resturant, and someone to bag your groceries. Now of course, you pump your own gas, take your own tray to a waste receptacle, and now you have the pleasure of not only bagging your own groceries, but checking them out yourself too.
While some people concider the above as conveniences for the lazy, they also kept a lot of people gainfully employed. When they were removed it wasn't like the savings were passed to you, but were pocketed as increased profits.
It looks like we can look forward to shopping in stores with a skeleton crew, perhaps just kept round to maintain security, and deal with paperwork and management issues. Walmart could replace the "Greeter" with a motion detection monitor of a smiling actor, welcoming you to the store as you walk in, automatically dispensed shopping carts.
They already have price scanners in the store you can check your own prices, and radiotag technology that activates inventory control in the need they're running low on an item.
They're already taking automation to the extreme (in our Walmart store carpark they have a filling station that is completely unmanned, just place your ATM/Debit/Credit card in)
It makes you wonder if stores like Walmart won't eventually consume themselves, the more jobs they destroy (including their own, by automation) they're effectively destroying the consumers who are now unemployed and cannot afford to shop there? Seeing as it's a relatively new trend, time will tell.
Posted by: dave at October 27, 2005 08:52 AM (CcXvt)
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I don't shop at WalMart because they only sell Chinese made products, not because of the way they treat their workers.Also, IM watch those run on sentences, punctuation is important ! Let us keep all the posts to the highest standard.
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Run-on sentences? Ever hear of clauses? That's what commas do, create clauses, so that a statement can be made, and explained, in once sentence.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2005 03:07 PM (0yYS2)
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Rosa Parks
Passed away, aged 92.
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a very brave woman....too bad that so many blacks have pissed away so much earned by black men and women like Rosa and King
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 25, 2005 12:46 AM (IgomX)
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Accepted now but at 58 years of age I can still remember how controvesial it was at the time. Does anyone else remember what the adjectives were that were used to describe her and her supporters ? Should we be afraid of the people and groups that are now categorized the same way ? We conservatives should try to remember where we were at that time.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 25, 2005 09:45 AM (ads7K)
Posted by: Howie at October 25, 2005 09:58 AM (D3+20)
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Oh boo-hoo, she was just another goddamn communist agitator, which is a well documented fact. One more dead communist is never a bad thing.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 10:13 AM (0yYS2)
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Impy is a sick fuck if he thinks Rosa was a 'communist agitator'.
She did us all a world of good.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 25, 2005 12:48 PM (qBGkb)
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Growing up in Bed Sty Brooklyn in the 50s/60's never saw anything like that (back of the bus). Knew cops didn't like the blacks - but then again - they didn't like anybody - and were quick to smack ya. Not until the Army and left home did I actually see stuff like this. Hell, I didn't like blacks, or Ricans or etc., but this petty stupid kind of discrimination made no sense to me.
Posted by: hondo at October 25, 2005 01:48 PM (ymtSt)
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Hondo, you and everyone else should learn about what led to segregation and the Jim Crow laws. During Reconstruction, most Southern states were politically restricted from electing native whites, so that only blacks or carpetbaggers could hold office. As a result, most state and US electees were ex-slaves and thieving northerners bent on plunder. After Reconstruction ended, it was just time for Southerners to reclaim their own rights back from the blacks and carpetbaggers, and the resentment and hatred that had been fostered during Reconstruction was so great that the pendulum swung too far back the other way. The fact is that Jim Crow and segregation were simply natural reactions to egregious policies of Reconstruction which left most Southerners poor and destitute whether they had been Confederates or not.
We reap what we sow, and for too long people have been sowing hatred in this country, and reaping a bountiful crop, but the plowing and planting aren't over yet, and the next harvest is yet to come. Okay, enough prose, back to Komrade Parks; Rosa Parks was indoctrinated at the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee, a school which was started by known Communist Myles Horton for the purpose of spreading socialist/communist propaganda and training agitators and propagandists, like Parks and Kind. See this link: http://www.martinlutherking.org/articles/rosaparks.html and this: http://www.martinlutherking.org/images/commie-school.jpg . She was nothing but a communist operative and thus all her noble acts were nothing more than staged events meant to garner publicity.
And greg, you're such a pathetic little waste of elements, why don't you run along and surf for boy porn like you're so fond of? We still remember your post after your trip to Italy, about all the young boys you had, so run along, you filthy child molester.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 04:37 PM (0yYS2)
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maxie
A lesson I want nothing to do with. I use the skeletons in my closet for Holloween - not some bizarre historical rationalization.
Posted by: hondo at October 25, 2005 05:09 PM (ymtSt)
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I never speak ill of the dead, bad carma. Or at least the recently dead.
Posted by: Howie at October 25, 2005 09:12 PM (D3+20)
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Sorry hondo, it's just historical fact, and PC ain't got shit to do with it. Whatever though, she's a good communist now.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 09:41 PM (0yYS2)
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IM your post seems to suggest that segregation of the races and Jim Crow laws started only after the civil war. Is that the way that you see it ? Interesting......As for being left poor and desolate after the war: the main wealth of the south was predicated on slave labor.
Posted by: john Ryan at October 26, 2005 12:25 AM (ads7K)
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Quothe John:
"IM your post seems to suggest that segregation of the races and Jim Crow laws started only after the civil war."
Well, the Jim Crow laws, referring specifically to the anti-black legislation in the post-Reconstruction era, were enacted after the war. Things really weren't that different in the antebellum and postbellum periods, except that slavery had been officially outlawed. Free blacks in the antebellum could own property and get an education, it was only slaves that were forbidden from these things. There were even free blacks who themselves owned slaves. Not so simple as you once thought, is it?
"As for being left poor and desolate after the war: the main wealth of the south was predicated on slave labor."
Not true. Most Southerners did not own slaves, and made their livings the same as anyone in the North, i.e., in agriculture and local industry, such as logging, building, manufacturing, etc. Your simplistic Disney-esque view of the Old South is dead wrong. The fact is that the average Southerner was no less likely to be educated to the high school level than the average Northerner, because of Methodist schools in every almost community. A review of diaries and letters from the war would show that Southerners were as literate as anyone else. Also, the number of colleges in the South per capita was higher than in the North, and many of the most illustrious graduates from West Point were Southerners.
Slavery was almost exclusively an agricultural institution, because of its labor intensive nature and lack of need for an education. Most Southerners were too educated to do agricultural work and were more likely to be found ni jobs requiring skill and training.
Remember at this time in history that about 95% of the labor force of the entire country was employed in agriculture in some form, and the South was not as heavily populated as the North due to the fact that most immigration was into the northern port cities at the time, and especially so in the early days of the nation, when the colonies were struggling to survive. Slavery wasn't as prevalent in the North because the agricultural prospects weren't as good, but Northerners did own slaves too, and before the war, any escaped slaves would be repatriated to their owners North or South. Not as simple as Disney made it out to be, is it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 11:35 AM (0yYS2)
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Improbulus Maximus:"And greg, you're such a pathetic little waste of elements, why don't you run along and surf for boy porn like you're so fond of?"
You mean the posts that you made pretending to be me? You're a sick fuck to even think about stuff like that.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 26, 2005 11:59 AM (qBGkb)
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Heh, that's not going to work greg, we all know you're a NAMBLA life member.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 02:22 PM (0yYS2)
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I hate niggers and if you don't like it, come visit
me in Memphis. I'm the gimp in the wheelchair.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 05:22 PM (qBGkb)
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I,ll bet she could teach race baiters like JESSIE JACKASSON and AL SHARPTON a thing or two
Posted by: sandpiper at October 26, 2005 09:02 PM (uPdgJ)
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Checking out this thread is like looking at someone else's fresh vomit floating in the toilet bowl. If only God would flush . . .
Posted by: Billmon at October 27, 2005 06:24 PM (cKGHq)
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Let's stop the name calling and let's take a look at the facts about Rosa Parks.
http://www.highlandercenter.org/a-history2.asp
"Martin Luther King, Pete Seeger, Charis Horton, Rosa Parks, & Ralph Abernathy in front of the Highlander Library, Monteagle, TN."
http://www.africanamericans.com/RosaParks.htm
"Parks received a scholarship to attend a workshop on school integration for community leaders. It was held at the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee, and Parks spent several weeks there."
So can we agree that Rosa Parks attended Highlander Folk School?
Next question, what type of school was Highlander Folk School?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/eleanor/sfeature/fbi_hfs_01.html
"The Highlander Folk School at Monteagle, Tennessee, has earned its bad reputation over a long period of years as a result of its left wing programs, the Communist-front taint of its leadership and the disgraceful conduct of school leaders when called upon by congressional committees to answer justified questions about its operations."
And if you have a bad case of insomnia you can read more about the Highlander Folk School at.
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/hfschool.htm
I don't think there is any doubt about the type of school Highlander is. Does anyone have information to the contrary? I don't think so.
Now if Rosa Parks had been an ordinary working class person who just had a bad day, was tired and didn't feel like getting up when told to, then she wouldn't be a "communist agitator" as Improbulus Maximus claims she was. She would be what is known as a "useful fool," just ordinary naive person that the communist find useful for the moment and then discard when they are through with them.
But looking at her biography at
http://www.africanamericans.com/RosaParks.htm
we learn that
1) She was educated
"In 1924 she enrolled at the private Montgomery Industrial School for Girls...."
"As a teenager she attended Booker T. Washington Junior High School in Montgomery, and participated in a high school program at State Teachers College (now Alabama State University)."
"In December 1932 she married Raymond Parks, a 29-year-old barber. Rosa Parks received her high school diploma the following year...."
Remember this was a time in America when having a high school diploma was like being a college graduate is today.
2) She was far from being politically naive.
"Parks' husband had long been active in the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)"
"Parks became increasingly committed to racial justice as she and her husband joined the campaign to save the 'Scottsboro boys'...."
"In 1943, when Rosa Parks actually joined the NAACP, her involvement with the organization became even greater. She worked with the organization's state president, Edgar Daniel Nixon, to mobilize a voter registration drive in Montgomery. That same year, Parks was elected secretary of the Montgomery branch."
So it seems she was quite an activist prior to her bus ride.
I would also to point out that she continued her activism up until her health began to fail her in 2000.
So was she a communist agitator, a useful fool or a saint?
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I followed the link in Drifter's message above . . it leads to image of an editorial in a Chattanooga newspaper, circa 1958. We're supposed to believe that anyone associated with Highlander is a "communist"? Note that Eleanor Roosevelt addressed the school. Now that convinced the newspaper that Highlander was a fountain of evil, but it doesn't count as evidence for anyone who has a brain.
Posted by: just_checking at November 03, 2005 06:46 PM (xUL9S)
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Guys, Just because people said that higlander was communist, doesn't make it communist. Even if it was communist, that doesn't make Rosa communist. Besides, what is so bad about being a communist anyway?
Racism is for the stupid and nieve.
Posted by: Ian at November 05, 2005 08:28 PM (HvKBi)
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Some people strive so hard to find black heroes, that they're willing to accept the new and improved PC variety of history . . . historical revisionism. And it doesn't appear polite to denigrate the dead...or so it would seem. But, I think an accurate history would illuminate Mz. Parks' connection with the communists. There truly are black heroes and heroines, moreover Alan Keyes and Condi Rice ... but, they are unfortunately tagged as oreos, and that's a foul.
I, for one, no longer believe that McCarthyism was such a bad thing...history has proved him more right than wrong in the senate hearings, and subsequent analysis of those who were "named". After the era of glasnost had opened Soviet archives, it further ratified their (Russian) incursions deep into our society. The history of early black activism is replete with communist functionaries, useful fools as they were. From Malcolm X to other socialist ideologues, "by any means necessary" has been their mantra. Sure it bothered many in America to find out that their "heroes and icons" were radicals/leftists, because it revealed just how much influence occurred deep into the unions, the arts, and amidst Hollyweird. And there isn't much tolerance for true intellectual discourse in Hollywood ...not certain there ever was any. You can't stomach the Hollywood dog food unless you're one of their dogs.
It will take time, but as Bobby Dylan said awhile back, "The times, they are a changin". It needs to change faster, a Republican intellectual revivalism amongst the masses. With financial emancipation, many blacks are beginning to realize how they've been duped and used by the Demokratz. ... but too many inner-city poor blacks still think the DNC is their Great Black Hope. If they only realized what "useful fools" they have been, perhaps they'll embrace the party which sponsored their emancipation.
Posted by: RedRover at November 25, 2005 12:24 PM (hi70W)
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I am doing a debate against Rosa Parks and its hard to find anything bad about her. She was a great women. I havent found anything yet.
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October 23, 2005
Nigerian Plane Crashes, 116 Aboard, 50+ Survivors
(Lagos, Nigeria) A Bellview Airlines Boeing 737 took off in bad weather from Lagos for the capital Abuja at 7:50pm local time (1450EDT) and quickly
vanished from the radar. The flight carried 110 passengers and six crew members.
Hours later, the wreckage was found near the small community of Kishi, about 400km north of Lagos and on the flight path to Abuja. Military search and rescue teams were dispatched to the crash site. Initial reports indicate that 50 or more people survived the crash.
Notably, the plane carried several senior Nigerian officials and officials of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS). No names will be released until the next of kin are notified.
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Update - NO SURVIVORS
It's now reported that nobody survived. According to Abilola Oloko, spokesman for Oyo state, all the people on board died. Confusion caused earlier inaccurate reports.
From Forbes.com:
No-one could have survived the impact when the Bellview Airlines Boeing 737 hit the ground at such speed that the wreckage was 'completely buried under ground,' NEMA [National Emergency Management Agency] spokesman Ibrahim Farinloye said.
The statement followed a similar report by the Nigerian Red Cross, which was working with NEMA on the ground at the crash site in Lissa village, a short distance north of Lagos near the farming town of Otta.
'No survivors have been identified so far ... The plane is actually beyond recognition,' Abiodun Orebiyi, secretary general of the Nigerian Red Cross, told Agence France-Presse.
The number of people onboard was revised upward to 117, 111 passengers and six crew.
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Update : NO survivors
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/10/23/afx2293114.html
Posted by: billy at October 23, 2005 01:41 PM (QGzJ+)
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I guess this means there will be lots of inheritences that will require foreign investment capital to see through probate.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 23, 2005 02:40 PM (0yYS2)
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well the good news is I just got an email that I was named as benificiary on a life insrance policy from one of the passengers. It is really more money than I can use so if anyone would like a share just post their bank information here,
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I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Speaking of scams, has anyone else been getting spammed by people who think you're the webmaster of this site, asking for link exchanges? I always reply and ask for a stool, blood, semen, or tissue sample along with their bank account or credit card number. For some reason, they never respond...
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Gunmakers Granted Immunity
(Washington) By a vote of 283 to 144, the U.S. House of Representatives
approved legislation Thursday that gives gun makers and dealers immunity from civil lawsuits. Considered a major victory for the National Rifle Association and its allies, the measure is supported by President Bush who only needs to sign for it to become law since the Senate previously passed it.
The bill will stifle frivolous lawsuits from groups that believe the manufacture and sale of firearms drives violence in communities. The measure excludes from liability protection those that knowingly sell firearms for the commission of crimes. And, although child safety locks will be required under the new law, gun control advocates are displeased and have vowed to challenge the law's constitutionality.
Across the pond, the Brits have weighed in with the opinion that President Bush succeeds only at protecting big business while stumbling through every other effort. I think that Britain needs a Bill of Rights. Maybe then they wouldn't be so quick to criticize what they don't understand.
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more wisdom from the "nanny state" that considers banning "king-size" chocolate bars to "protect" the citizens from obesity, and then considers banning long bladed kitchen knives to protect citizens from stab wounds.
Next they'll consider banning baseball bats, want rocks shrinkwrapped and all pointy objects corked. I prefer to take responsibility for my own well being, and safety choices, rather than having legislations restricting my freedom to make bad choices, thanks.
Posted by: dave at October 21, 2005 07:31 AM (CcXvt)
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It's about time! Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Glad that congress is actually paying attention to our Constitutional rights for a change.
Posted by: Everyman at October 21, 2005 07:32 AM (A/oHQ)
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Its way past time for tort reform we need to put a end the these friolous lawsuits and quit clogging up our courts its a big double whammy against the vultures and sharks its a blow against the greedy trial lawyers and big city mayors like rotten riichard daily of chicago and numerous other big cities
Posted by: sandpiper at October 21, 2005 08:14 AM (n7v4a)
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Anyone have the breakdown of how the votes went?
Posted by: Ariya at October 21, 2005 09:47 AM (noCGr)
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ah, the British have the
sane gun approach, this just in from my home town's newpaper:
A 15-year-old boy who fired an imitation handgun at a teacher in a maths class has been given a four-month detention order.
Youth Court imposed the sentence on Tuesday.
At an earlier hearing, he admitted possessing an imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence, but he claimed the ball bearing gun went off by accident in his pocket.
Armed police were on standby to attend the incident, at a area school on April 13.
The pellet missed the teacher but hit a pupil on the chest. No one was hurt.
An application for bail pending an appeal against the sentence was refused.
The chairman, Mr Robert Newman, said the boy would serve two months in custody and a further two months under supervision in the community.
Hysteria, at even imitation guns, which are all sold with bright orange ends, by law.
Posted by: dave at October 21, 2005 10:00 AM (CcXvt)
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just in case that seemed somewhat sane: different article, this weeks paper:
A three-minute film showing attacks on children at a school is being circulated.
The assaults were recorded on mobile telephone video cameras.
They have been edited into a film, to which titles and a musical backing have been added.
Bullies punch, slap and kick their victims in the film.
Most assaults happen in the playground while other, more minor, ones take place in classrooms or corridors.
By far the worse footage seen by the Advertiser is an attack on Liam Hopkinson (14) who is knocked to the ground by a single punch to the face as he passes another boy.
In a further case, a boy is also punched in the face, apparently causing blood to splatter from his nose.
Mr Evans (Headmaster) said he became aware of the footage at the end of last term. Those responsible had beendisciplined and the assaults had stopped, he said.
Mr Evans said: "It was made clear to the older students if there was any such repeat there would be permanent exclusions and this has cured the problem.
Police chief, Inspector Jerry Butler, described the images as gratuitous, voyeuristic violence.
He said: "They are despicable and should be condemned outright.
but 4 months detention for a fake BB gun possession is a more fitting response than a violent assault, that gets you expelled?
Posted by: dave at October 21, 2005 10:13 AM (CcXvt)
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Hmmm, proves once more . . the Brits are far too civilized . .
We may have to save their asses again, one day . . . .
Or . . maybe not . . . .
Posted by: large at October 21, 2005 10:25 AM (Ny1Tj)
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Thank God for this legislation, but no one should expect the anti-gun crowd to give up. They will just look for another angle, so we must forever be vigilent. Join the NRA today. Just do it! Now, while you are thinking about it. Even if you are from Britain, perhaps sanity will return or maybe you will be the one to start the reforms necessary in Britain for gun rights and self defense to be reestablished. Never, ever give up!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 21, 2005 10:29 AM (rUyw4)
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another topic im torn on....yes, American citizens should have the right to arm themselves, but within limits....i mean, you hear all the time about police raiding some nuts home and finding in the basement 50 handguns, 50 shotguns and rifles, machine guns, hand grenades, mines...thats a bit tooooooooo much....and some of the bullets that are manufactured....the cop killers...anyone producing them should be held laible if they are used to kill a police officer as that is their only purpose....are there limits to how many guns you can legally own???
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 21, 2005 10:47 AM (IgomX)
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No offense Thanos, but you should get un-torn on the issue pretty quick. It's the "limits" that end up becoming restrictions upon the right to own firearms.
Like when they decided the "limit" of how many bullets could be in a clip
or the feature "limit" on a weapon like the "Assault Weapon" ban.
Wow! an "Assault Weapon" ban eh? that must be a good thing? problem was it did not ban any functionality of a weapon, only the cosmetic features ex: pistol grip, threaded barrel, collapsible stock, bayonet fitting etc.
There already are restriction in place, on automatic weapons, explosives, flash suppressors, suppressors, therefore unless you are licensed to have the above you're breaking the law. The Teflon tipped rounds you refer to as cop killers are already illegal to possess I believe already.
There should be no limit to the amount of weapons you can possess unless you're a felon, just because I have fifty guns, does that make me a collector? or a criminal? why should their be limits if I legally own all of the weapons I possess?
Note this ban does not exempt gun manufacturers who flaunt the law, this means if you make a weapon with a fingerprint proof finish, or one that requires a minor modification to make it an automatic, which are features attractive to criminals they can still be sued.
Posted by: dave at October 21, 2005 11:42 AM (CcXvt)
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Thanos, why are 50 guns too much for one person to own, and who are you to decide that? You know what, you say too much and you go to church too much, so there ought to be a law restricting what you can say and your manner of worship. Also, you don't need more than one car, or more than 100 square feet of house per family member. And who needs more than one pair of pants, or shoes? Why do you need a garage your bourgeois pig? Can't you park on the street like the people? Are you so much better that you actually need a car? Can't you take the bus like a good communist? You know more people are killed in auto accidents every year than by all gunshots, accidental and deliberate, combined, so your car should be taken away.
See how once you've stepped on that slippery slope of irrational liberal hysteria you can't stop? Now go buy a gun dammit, like a good American.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 21, 2005 11:52 AM (0yYS2)
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I'm a big fan of Kimber's 1911 line, as they tend to have surprisingly little kick for a .45, and it seems quite pointless to me to carry anything smaller.
Now, if only I had the money...
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 21, 2005 12:15 PM (vhWf1)
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There are collectors who have more than 50 guns,
variations of a single kind!
Do you think they'd get just as hysterical and overwrought about the other immunity bill the House passed?
The Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act that would
ban new claims and dismiss pending personal injury claims brought against food manufacturers, marketers, advertisers, distributors, sellers and trade associations alleging that consumption of food products caused weight-related health problems.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at October 21, 2005 12:41 PM (T85lV)
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Keep it simple - rifle (semi), shotgun, pistol, and a good knife - anything more and your either a collector (OK) or unsure and paranoid.
Posted by: hondo at October 21, 2005 01:00 PM (bayez)
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of course these bills are only a bandaid for a problem they attempt to correct, that is of course, greedy lawyers. As guns and fastfood are now protected, whom will they set their sights on next? I can see it now:
Your honor, General Motors is a United States automobile manufacturer, who produce millions of cars for the United States consumer, however the speed limit in the United States is no greater than sixty-five miles per hour, and my client was hurt in an accident while driving eighty miles per hour, your honor -- thus general motors were a factor in my clients injuries, enabling him to not only break the law but also cause harm to himself, I am requestion twenty berzillion dollars to rectify their willful negligence that caused my client injury.
Posted by: dave at October 21, 2005 01:09 PM (CcXvt)
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It's becoming increasingly clear that we need to outlaw lawyers.
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 21, 2005 01:22 PM (vhWf1)
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IO ERROR: My normal "winter" carry is a Kimber TLE II. Most accurate .45 I've ever fired, and it's stylin'.
Posted by: DaveP. at October 21, 2005 01:44 PM (6iy97)
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This is a big win for the little guy and a big defeat for the nafarous lawfirm of BUZZARD,VULTURE,SHARK,HYENA,SNAKE & SLUG
Posted by: sandpiper at October 21, 2005 05:15 PM (n7v4a)
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Wrong law firm, sandpiper, you must be thinking of Dewey, Screwum, and Howe.
And hondo, I'll own any amount of guns, knives, garrotes, shivs, and punji pits in my yard that I want to. Because with knuckleheads like you running around, fucking-A right I'm unsure and paranoid. Who the fuck are you to tell us to keep it simple?
Posted by: Vinnie at October 21, 2005 11:14 PM (Kr6/f)
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I have a 12 GU shotgun for pheasant and chucker hunting. I have it locked up and only use it a couple of times a year.
I have thought about getting a handgun for protection but have 3 kids around the house. How can you keep the thing handy and keep it away from your kids? Going to a gun safe when itÂ’s needed just doesnÂ’t seem practical. Leaving it outside a safe is just too scary for me. ThatÂ’s just the way I feel.
The regulars who post here and own guns are not a problem for our society. Who knows how much more crime we would have if the libs were successful in their goal of gun control? The fact that much of America is armed and ready is a deterrent to crime and a good thing for our society. Gun owing property owners in this country are probably the best law enforcement value the American tax payers have. It costs nothing and is effective.
Have as many guns as you want. Put a sign up in your front yard that says “ There is nothing in here worth dying for”.
Posted by: Brad at October 21, 2005 11:38 PM (6mUkl)
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Hondo, I'm an unsure, paranoid collector. I'm pretty sure there isn't an exclusion clause in the Constitution. Drop by the bunker sometime and I'll let you drop a round in the mortar.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 22, 2005 12:37 AM (0yYS2)
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IM, im not against American citizens owning a gun, not at all, but come one man....think on this thing clearly....ive read so many articles on people who had stand off's with police and SWAT teams that had virtual arsenals in their homes....i mean, WTF does anyone need a freakin .50 caliber manchine gun for???....you gonna go shoot some elephants with that thing???...rifles, shotgun,handgun i see now problems with....my father was a police officer for 36 years and i have been exposed to many of the different guns he used but i just dont understand people who feel that they GOTTA have dozens upon dozens of weapons,"just in case"....whats next????....oh shit dude i just GOTTA have my own personal tactical nuclear missle!!!...i know that may seem farfetched but it seems the way of things in the US...ive got better things to spend my hard earned money on, like food , clothes and the roof over my familys head than blowing it on a vitual arsenal in my garage....like i said, i have no problem with you, myself or the guy next door having a few guns in the house but really how many do you really GOTTA have???...thats why i asked the question if there is a legal limit of guns any citizen of the US can own and what weapons are we legally allowed to own???....i truly would like to know....as for youre comment{ i think it was you} about myself getting a gun, i am thinking on looking into getting one for home defense as i live in an area of NJ were the black bear population is a bit thick and i have had some bears raid my garbage....well you can imagine my worries of one of them attempting to enter my home and not having something to protect myself and family with...any good advice on what would be best for home defense in such a situation???
Posted by: THANOS35 at October 22, 2005 12:58 AM (IgomX)
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Let me get this straight, because you don't want to own certain guns means that others shouldn't? Well, I drive the speed limit, and I think that all sports cars should be banned, and that all cars should be electronically governered to do no more than 70 mph, and also that nobody should be able to own more than one car, and that they should have to prove their need to own a car, and should have to be fingerprinted and have a background check before they buy one, and that the authorities should be able to confiscate it at any time "for the public good". How do you like that plan? Not very well, I bet. More people,
far more> people, are killed by cars than guns every year.
Do you know how many crimes have been committed with .50 caliber sniper rifles or any legally owned machinegun or even "assault rifle" in the last fifty years in America. I can give you a hint, you can count them without taking your shoes off. In fact, as a law abiding citizen, you are far more likely to be shot by a cop than to be shot by a legally owned gun of any type. The real problem, the only> problem, lies in the fact that liberals have degraded the justice system to the point that criminals no longer have any fear of punishment for their crimes. It's a simple problem to remedy really; murder = death penalty, and any gun crime not causing death = life in prison without possibility of parole. Rape or child molestation = castration + life imprisonment without possibility of parole.
As to the last bit, the best gun for home defense is a good 12 ga. pump, such as the excellent and practical Mossberg 500, which can usually be found in pawn shops for under $200.00. I have one with a pistol grip and 18.5" barrel which stands in a corner near the front door. You can also get something like a Browning A5 cheap, it's semi-auto but in the Soviet Socialist Republik of Neuvo Jazeerastan, you may not be able to get one.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 22, 2005 11:36 AM (0yYS2)
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Hmmm... don't know why the second half of the post got italicized. Please disregard all italics, since the whole point is blown.
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THANOS35
"you hear all the time about police raiding some nuts home and finding in the basement 50 handguns, 50 shotguns and rifles, machine guns, hand grenades, mines...thats a bit tooooooooo much....and some of the bullets that are manufactured....the cop killers...anyone producing them should be held laible if they are used to kill a police officer as that is their only purpose"
No, I don't hear all the time about these police raids - the last episode even close was Waco. Ruby Ridge is close but no cigar. Aside from the fact that machine guns, hand grendades and mines are not legally available (though a few lucky ones with a class III permit can have full autos and silencers), people can only use a couple of guns at a time, whether they own 10 or 100 because they only have two hands. In fact, land mines are not even available to the US military during war (I don't think its a Geneva convention rule, but I think they were outlawed in the early 90's??). Phony stories like your fantasy gun nut seem common because they usually start out with some basis in fact, but end up as an urban myth after many retellings. But if you really do hear about these incidents on a routine basis, you should have no problem citing at least 3 examples from the past year where the police raid somebody here in the US and find lots of grenades, mines and machine guns. And please use the correct terms; it is a fully automatic gun, not a machine-gun. The average anti-gun nut is either uninformed or misinformed about guns, yet will not hesitate to think that high-tech optics, sleek composite stocks, 'military-style' rifles and even old AK-47's are 'machine guns' because they're so darn scary-looking. Hey, if it looks kinda/sorta like the machine gun Stallone used in that one movie, then it must be a machine gun and must be banned now! Stylistic similarities imply functional similarities, but thankfully laws are based on somthing more substantial than image and feeling. The 'cop killer' bullets you mentioned were not sold as such, and weren't even used as such, unless you think that cops never got killed by gunfire on the job until these bullets were available. They are teflon coated, and might penetrate police standard body armor, depending on the caliber of gun and range to target. It's hardly the magic bullet that the media assured us criminals would immediately use to kill cops at leisure. And exactly how many cops were killed with teflon-coated bullets which went through their body armor? Names, please. I agree that practical uses for armor-piercing rounds are almost nonexistent for civilians, but that does not mean that they should be outlawed.
As far as bears: If the bears are raiding your garbage, and you don't want them in your home, then don't keep garbage in your home! No, really...I have heard stories of bears getting into homes and cleaning out the fridges and freezers, but those are usually problem bears that have to be relocated or killed. If or when you get over your fear or distaste of guns, get a simple double-barrel 12 guage and a selection of shells to have available. To scare the bear out of your yard, have some rubber shot or its equivalent for a deterrent round - I've heard that rock salt was pretty effective. If it gets closer, have some bird shot handy or pepper spray. If that doesn't work, load up the slugs and dial 911. But you should really focus on keeping the bear from getting into your house in the first place. If your first thought about bear control is what gun to use when it gets into your house, you should probably move.
Posted by: model_1066 at October 22, 2005 11:55 PM (XNHK5)
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Dave, you forgot making sure that poisons had psycho proofed lids so as to make sure psychos can't poison other people. Personally the society we live in right now is the result of 40 years plus of brainwashing that culiminated with the election of bill clinton. Remember his poster child during his inoguration who asked him to be like his mother and father? That is the type of airheadedness this society has generated by this spoonfed non-sense of no personal responsibilities.
Posted by: Andre at October 23, 2005 02:16 PM (bQ3vG)
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Next car makers will be held responsible for deaths caused by drunk drivers. You watch, they'll try.
Posted by: BigAl at October 23, 2005 06:13 PM (6krEN)
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I think you should be able to own as many guns as you want. I also think this is America and the true purpose of Militias is to protect the US from a true Government take over! This is why I think responsible people should be able to own what ever they want. How do you think people would stand up against the ARMY if they had to with out the same kinds of weapons??
I live in in desert of Nevada and I like to shoot! I love to shoot all kinds of guns, semi,full auto,and all calibers. And for fun, I think you should be able to get a RECREATIONAL PERMIT for explosives. I loved to blow up stuff when I was a kid and still do. Fireworks are illegal here due to bush fires,But if you tend to what you are doing, I think you should be able to use LOW YIELD EXPLOSIVES.
Thanks,
John
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Released yesterday, the UN
report of the assassination of Lebanese former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri indicates that it was a terrorist act planned by high-ranking Syrian and Lebanese intelligence officers. Frankly, the report only voiced what everyone knew or strongly suspected. Hariri and 15 others died when a six-car convoy was bombed in downtown Beirut. It wasn't an accident nor a suicide.
Chief UN investigator Detlev Mehlis identified several Syrian and Lebanese suspects;
Syrian Major General Asef Shawkat,
Syrian Lt. General Rustom Ghazali,
Syrian former Presidential Aide Farouq Al-Sahraa,
Lebanese Major General Jamil al-Sayyed,
Lebanese Brigadier General Mustapha Hamdan, and
Lebanese Major General Ali Hajj.
Each of the suspects has a history of high-level political and military nefariousness. And, one particularly damning entry in the report, Brigadier General Hamdan accused Hariri of being pro-Israel and is quoted as
stating, "We are going to send him on a trip -- bye, bye Hariri." Belligerent?
I'd say.
In response, Syrian Information Minister Mehdi Dakhlallah stated that the UN report was "politicized," "false," and "far from professional." Damascas is obviously embarrassed and expects the investigation results will lead to increased international pressure on Syrian President Bashar Al Assad to cooperate with the inquiry, to quit helping Palestinian terrorists, and to stop supporting instability in Lebanon and Iraq.
Four pro-Syrian security chiefs in Lebanon have been arrested and charged with murder on the recommendation of UN investigator Detlev Mehlis. Already, an anti-Syrian member of the Lebanese Parliament, Jibran Tueini, has called for President Emile Lahoud to step down.
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I bet Syria, and Lebanon officials are staying awake at night, knowing that the United "toothless" Nations are about to exercise their gums on them?
Will they issue a strongly worded letter?, another useless sanction? or a scathing speech in the U.N?
I'm sure the response will be "strong" enough, to make them consider blowing up anyone who they label an enemy, and just chance another useless U.N finding.
Posted by: dave at October 21, 2005 07:44 AM (CcXvt)
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Well, lessee, with Iraq, Bush has sprinkled Flea Powder on the Dog's A**hole. Do ya suppose he might finally be interested in the whole dog?
Posted by: large at October 21, 2005 10:29 AM (Ny1Tj)
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I think Bush is going to keep pretending that Iran, Syria, China, Pakistan, et al, don't even exist as long as he's in office, and he's leaving them for the next poor bastard. Maybe he's doing so because he thinks Hitlery will win in '08, and he doesn't want her to have it too easy. Sometimes politics is the practice of taking the worst course of action so that your enemy won't be able to benefit from the good that you might have done otherwise.
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Such deductive insight from the UN! What convinced them it wasn't suicide.
Posted by: hondo at October 21, 2005 01:11 PM (bayez)
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Nicely written. Anyone who suggests that President Bush isn't doing anything about this is yanking their own chain. He has been in Syria for a long time now. Where have you been? Oh! I forgot. No one was supposed to know! lol.
On the serious side, remember we were told were told that everything being done would not be able to be discussed? It isn't just because of the NY Times, et al. It is a very dangerous line we are walking.
I do not think he wants the world to be at any more anxiety than necessary.
Posted by: Rosemary at October 21, 2005 10:54 PM (qgEYh)
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October 18, 2005
Baltimore's McHenry and Harbor Tunnels Closed
A terrorist threat against tunnels along I-95 has prompted closing of said tunnels. Developing....
ABCNEWS:
Information about a potential attack, ABC News has learned, came from a previously reliable source two or three days ago. The city of Baltimore is in the process of taking some additional security precautions, while the federal government is analyzing the credibility of the threat.
We'll see, the terrorists like to spread threats. Threats are effective as a tool to upset the population. That is after you actually blow stuff up. Better safe than sorry eh.. In fact I'm so shaken I'm going to go eat and fill up my car or is that just Dave's lunch doing me that way.
Updated: I'm full as a tick and the tunnels have been reopened.
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Howie,
There's a new terror alert every time Bush and company get in a jam. They're playing us like a fiddle.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 18, 2005 12:30 PM (VP+X3)
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Goering, for those unfamiliar with history, was the commander in chief of the Luftwaffe in Nazi Germany during WWII. He said:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country that determine policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Hermann Goering
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 18, 2005 12:51 PM (VP+X3)
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such a time as the State can shield people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Joseph Goebbles, German Minister of Propaganda
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 18, 2005 12:57 PM (VP+X3)
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The tunnels have been reopened. False alarm, yet again.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 18, 2005 01:02 PM (VP+X3)
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why ya wanna do me like that greg?
Posted by: Howie at October 18, 2005 01:15 PM (D3+20)
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Mike,
No offense intended. I just call 'em they way I see
it. Nothing personal.
WTF you mean you shit all over your support. The minute my back is turned you go all off. You are supposed to be banned and I let you have an inch you took a mile. Cost me real work time too. In other words when I could have been making progress I was babysitting you.
Posted by: Howie at October 18, 2005 01:33 PM (D3+20)
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It's always ironic when the left comes in decrying the "False alarms" by the Government.
Were they not the ones calling for accountability because President Bush didn't act on the intelligence in the August 6th Memo ("Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S" )
Can't have it both ways, Idiot.
Posted by: dave at October 18, 2005 01:34 PM (CcXvt)
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Goering is a bad analogy to apply here.
"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,..." We WERE attacked. Several times. It can only be ignored for so long. And Dave's right - damned if you do, damned if you don't. Some people are just never happy. It's easy to pretend as we did for decades. And Goebbles as well -
"It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent,..." No repression going on. As a matter of fact, the dissent is the loudest voice you hear. The state doesn't own the papers as they did in Germany and as they still do in so many other countries.
Why people keep comparing us to pre-war Germany is beyond me. You see parallels. I see dumb people.
Posted by: Oyster at October 18, 2005 02:46 PM (fl6E1)
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"It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent..."
I like the way Oyster dissects the quote down to just a fragment of a sentence to twist the point.
The sentence goes on to read, "...for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
That's kind of an important part of the quote.
Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 18, 2005 06:20 PM (VP+X3)
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Yep, Greg, the most important part. So when are you going to start telling the truth? That's kinda important to most of us here at the Jawa.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 18, 2005 08:14 PM (rUyw4)
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Are there people who think this blog needs a daily dose of stupidity? Greg is a fucking moron. There are stark raving mad bums on streetcorners who are far smarter and more articulate than him, and don't have to rely on cut-n-paste to make a statement. Greg, kill yourself, please, for the good of the gene pool, because you're existence is depressing the global IQ by a couple of points.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 18, 2005 08:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Why do we continue to belong to the biggist hide out of terrorists the UN?
Posted by: sandpiper at October 18, 2005 08:38 PM (swaoX)
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October 15, 2005
Nazi Rally Turns Violent
(Toledo, Ohio) Before the start of a
planned neo-Nazi rally in north Toledo, racial tension caused
rioting to break out with baseball-sized rocks being thrown at police and vehicles being vandalized. According to Police Chief Mike Navarre, six people have been arrested. The march by the white supremacist group was canceled and over 100 police officers flooded the neighborhoods.
Live coverage on FoxNews shows some houses being looted with one building on fire. The live video from WJBK-TV shows the streets now crowded with police officers. The situation has calmed and the fire department has arrived to extinguish the fire in what is thought to be a tavern.
Police Chief Navarre stated that he believes that all the Nazis have now left the city.
So, in summary, the white supremacists organize a march to ostensibly protest black criminal gangs and the black community responds by rioting, looting, and setting at least one building on fire -- in their own neighborhood. The logic escapes me.
[Update 2030 EDT, 10/15/05]
Toledo Mayor Jack Ford declared a state of emergency and instituted a citywide curfew starting at 8PM tonight, tomorrow, and possibly Monday.
From ToledoBlade.com:
Mr. Ford said those protesting were mainly male gang members in their 20s. He said the protests were not triggered by race relations but by gang members with grievances.
"We went to talk to them. Most of them were gang members (picture) in full colors," the mayor said. "Their anger was based on some long-standing things but also that we had allowed the [Nazi] walk to occur in the first place."
Police Chief Navarre said several dozen people were arrested and a few officers and firefighters were injured, none serious. In total, a mob of 500 were involved in the rioting and looting. Although the streets quieted down by late afternoon, there is concern that violence may erupt in the darkness.
Interestingly, local media coverage of the rioting was prevented by the mobs attacking and disabling the mobile news vehicles first. Scheduled celebrations for Start High School Homecoming and Central Catholic High School Homecoming were canceled.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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The black thugs who took part in this criminal behavior just used a legal(if disgusting) march as an excuse to go on a rampage. It's a good thing for them that they didn't try this shit here in my neighborhood. We are armed and can legally shoot someone who invades or attempts to invade our premises.
I have no idea about Ohio, but here in Texas this crap wouldn't fly.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 03:08 PM (rUyw4)
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Jesusland Joe:
Armed societies are very polite societies, and that just wouldn't happen in Texas.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 15, 2005 03:18 PM (8e/V4)
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Yeah, it's funny how blacks resort to criminal behavior to show how they're not all criminals and stuff. Ever notice how things like this generally don't happen in the South?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 05:18 PM (0yYS2)
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What do you expect from Nazis, even if they call themselves "neo" Nazis? Actually they are white trash. Even if its in the North.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 15, 2005 05:39 PM (85Vr/)
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Mayor Nagin says you're a
RACIST, Sir!
How dare you blame rioting, and looting on black people -- poor, black people. get my people to the SUPERDOME!
Posted by: dave at October 15, 2005 05:53 PM (CcXvt)
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Uh, Storm, it was the blacks, not the nazis, who rioted. And WTF do you mean by "even if it's in the North"? I've seen more trashy people in the North than in the South. You Northern motherfuckes can kiss my ass.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 06:58 PM (0yYS2)
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The thugs who instigate such acts are no better then the nazi brownshirts they should be in jail and quit listening to some nambdy pambdys blabbering the nonsense if they dont punish such persons they will continue to do it
Posted by: sandpiper at October 15, 2005 07:13 PM (U/q87)
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Max. I live in the South. I should have written, "what do expect when Nazis meet?"
I do love your use of the English language, though.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 15, 2005 07:28 PM (85Vr/)
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Damn, I dropped an r. I hate it when I make typos.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 09:05 PM (0yYS2)
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What I don't understand is why everyone is so hung up on the race issue? If all sides could stop and really think for a second, they'd see that they have something in common. They're both poor and have little to no education. Silly rabbit, tricks are for the rich. ItÂ’s not about black or white, itÂ’s about rich and poor. ItÂ’s about how the middle class is being destroyed through outsourcing and illegal immigration. And itÂ’s not about the illegal immigrants coming to AmeriKa but the rich people who employ them. They wouldnÂ’t come if they couldnÂ’t work? WhoÂ’s employing them? But wait thereÂ’s more.....If you kicked the millions out, whoÂ’d work the fields? WhoÂ’d build all the houses? WhoÂ’d wash all the dishes at your favorite restaurant? Well letÂ’s make them legal....oh but then youÂ’d have to pay them at least minimum wage ($6 - you could buy two gallons of gas and a dvd player at Wal-Mart with that). We canÂ’t pay people $6 dollars an hour. ThatÂ’s way too much. Ignore now, pay later.
How many millions of dollars does Jessica Simpson need? How many thousand dollar carriers does she need for her dog? Why are people paying money for Britney Spears albums? It’s not like you can look at her while you listen to her cd. How much should Roger Clemens or Tiger Woods get for playing sports. How many houses do they need? How many mansions in Beverly Hills or the suburbs of D.C. go practically unfilled every night while hurricane survivors sleep on cots in shelters. How much does Wal-Mart need to make for it’s stakeholders at the expense of small business owners (aka middle class)? Sure we get a great deal on stuff we really don’t need, but at the cost of some kid in china slaving away at your $2 dvd player for .0000002 cents an hour. Why do we let politicians spend our tax money on projects that we know we don’t need (we know the money goes in to somebody’s pocket for payback)? Why, when this is repeated on cable news do we just ignore it and say “that’s the government for ya, chuckle chuckle chuckle? How is it that we can fly into space, genetically modify the foods we eat, build super computers, yet we can’t make a solar powered car? Ignore now, pay later.
Our society lives with the credit card mentality. Buy now, pay later = ignore societies problems now, pay for them later. Well here we are Amerika......and the creditor is at the door. Hey I have a great reality show idea. Why donÂ’t we film our collapse and show it on TV right after Survivor. We could call it Opps.
Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, I just want to say that they (the neo nazis and the gangs) have free will and they‘ve made their choices. We are all blessed with the ability to choose our responses (responsibility). That’s the great thing about life...choice. We just need to make it easier for them to make better choices. We all need to make better choices and help each other. God, I sound like a fracin hippie.
Wake up....pass it on!!!
Posted by: Twelve at October 15, 2005 10:51 PM (JmVNZ)
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ITS ALL ABOUT THE CLASS WARFARE! not.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 11:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Where the heck is greyrooster? I want to hear his take on this business in Toledo. Do you think he has an opinion?
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 15, 2005 11:18 PM (rUyw4)
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twelve: Love your view......I see it your more each day. I was just telling my mother how vulgar the extreme wealthy are. How much does anyone person need to live a decent life until they die.....and then still be able to help others with finding their dreams. I have not gone to a movie since before 2001 and have turned off cable for the third time in my families life. I have totally withdrawn from the propaganda television that keeps the average American in materialistic hell.
Posted by: renee at October 16, 2005 12:21 AM (Y1HQm)
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The Neo-Nazis were from West Virginia. They came to Toledo to supposedly help the whites "take back the streets" from the black gangs that had taken over.
According to a reporter on the scene, the Nazis were gone by the time the gangs went destruction and looting crazy and they also reported that the "protesters" were throwing rocks at the police not the Nazis.
The whole thing was insane.
Posted by: Anna at October 16, 2005 12:24 AM (25+R5)
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No mre skinheads no more skinheads
Posted by: sandpiper at October 16, 2005 09:50 AM (QagY6)
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The Nazis went there specifically to incite a riot. It was a planned, deliberate provocation, and the Nazis consider it a great success. Just check out some of the posts on Bill White's Overthrow.com and the National Socialist Movement's internet radio podcast at http://www.nsm88radio.com/. They're not even trying to hide how happy they are.
Posted by: anonymous at October 16, 2005 05:59 PM (Lux9y)
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In other words, anonymous, the blacks fell right into the Nazi's hands and did just what the Nazis wanted them to do. And made the Nazis happy. Why wouldn't the blacks just restrain themselves this ONE time and make the Nazis unsuccessful? What is so difficult about that? Since you should know the Nazis have the right to march, why not just go do something else? Watch TV, play on your playstation, take a kid to the park, go play basketball, do anything but loot, burn, and destroy. I tell you, from where I sat watching the spectacle, the Nazis came off looking better than the blacks. And that's a real shame.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 16, 2005 09:45 PM (rUyw4)
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You're all missing the point that it isn't about what the nazis did, which was basically nothing, but about what the blacks did, which was what blacks always do when presented with the excuse and opportunity, and unimpeded by external restraint. Did the nazis riot? No. Did they hurt anyone? No. They did nothing illegal, and were entirely within their rights to have a march.
This hypocritical double standard of damning one group and excusing another is pure BS. The simple fact is that it could have just as easily been an NBA championship win or a St. Swithun's Day parade, it makes no difference, the blacks would have rioted anyway.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 16, 2005 09:49 PM (0yYS2)
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No, they didn't fall into those nazis hands anymore than the blacks in Orleans fell into katrinas hands. This was about criminality and the ARA is a group that loves to incite violence whenever and whereever they can using the excuse they're anti-racist. They made it habit to attack anyone who happens to be cleaner than they are those smelly drug using retards. A friend of mine found out about the ARA the hard way in York, PA a few years ago when he bumbled into a riot zone caused by those animals. Appearently a nazi group had a meeting there and those animals pelted whites in trucks. Just so happens my friend was a painter going for supplies when the crap hit the fan. His windshield had been smashed by the ARAs rent a mob mentality. Needless to say, since these are just borderline deralicts who have nothing of value suing them wouldn't do anything after all who wants shit encrusted underwear and ripped jeans which is about the only thing they have of value. It wasn't the Neo-nazis i'm affraid but the long proud tradition of the ARA to use any excuse to incite violence and anarchy under the geise of anti-racism. I don't buy it that the nazis did this we're told repeadly these people can't lead ants to a picnic but the ARA does have funding from NGOs to rent mobs of bums to whip up insurrections.
Posted by: Andre at October 16, 2005 11:40 PM (bQ3vG)
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 17, 2005 08:11 AM (rUyw4)
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According to google, Anti Racism Action:
www.antiracistaction.us
sounds like what Andre was talking about?
Posted by: dave at October 17, 2005 09:03 AM (CcXvt)
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Twelve asked the questions that every single person would have a different answer for. I would ask twelve - You tell me how much is enough. You tell me at what point one should be cut off from acquiring "more stuff" or "more wealth". You can't do that. Not in a free market society.
Posted by: Oyster at October 17, 2005 12:33 PM (fl6E1)
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Yeah twelve, which government agency do you think should set the rules about wealth and acquistion, and be responsible for policing such matter? Do you think we should have the cops go around confiscating wealth from those who "have too much"? Or maybe we should just kill everyone who lives above the poverty level and give their stuff to everyone else. Of course then, everyone would be above the poverty level, and we'd have to kill them too. You goddamn liberal idiots are so stupid you all need taken out and shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2005 12:45 PM (0yYS2)
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Anti Racist Action, they have been known to cause violence whereever they go. In Canada they caused 50,000$ to a house in the early 90s, and throughout the 2000s they caused mayhem and destruction in york PA and a in Illinose. They're a nusence group in connecticut these thugs where called by a local police lieutenent as a group "with a clear agenda to cause bodily harm." They're bad news all around and whereever they go they start problems if they can slap you with the label nazi. They even do this crap to republican groups and commit acts of violence against speakers who aren't leftists like themselves. Don't believe that those socalled anti-racism groups went there to protest they went to Ohio with the clear intention to start violence and they DID!!!! LOOK AT IT!!!
Posted by: Andre at October 17, 2005 04:51 PM (bQ3vG)
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