May 17, 2005
Agricultural Jihad Ministry?
Anybody else find
this odd?
Iran's Agriculture Jihad Ministry is determined to reduce the countryÂ’s heavy reliance on imported edible oil, said the official in charge of implementing the national oil seed production scheme.
[Emphasis added]
What sort of crazy Iron Chef Iran is this? Does the loser get beheaded? Just asking...
2:00PM Update: This was just begging for some visuals...
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Don't you get it??? It's a stuggle for the inner edible oil.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 08:44 AM (8e/V4)
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or maybe it's an inner struggle for oil?
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 08:44 AM (8e/V4)
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I knew oil was involved somehow...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 17, 2005 08:49 AM (vQcWL)
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Allah hates the imported cooking oils... ?
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More on the Koran-Clogger Affair
It's late, and the great ululation of Newsweak-bashing may have grown dull in your ears. Yes, yes, Newsweak bad, you say, though you are not especially
surprised at the way things have turned out.
Still there are two more posts I recommend, especially if you hail from the Bear Flag state or attended college there. The first is Jeff Harrell, again, with a revealing anecdote about what Newsweak's Mark Whitaker isn't doing tonight at Stanford.
The second, longer piece is by State Department mystery blogger New Sisyphus, who has a harrowing story about a murder at UC Berkeley and what makes such an event into a "story". I will let him connect it to the Newsweak matter for you.
Finally, in the extended entry, a note for the illumination of my Chomskyite interlocutor "Actus":
more...
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The US ambassador says we don't mistreat prisoners and their religious symbols? Why didn't they say so earlier? That settles that then.
I mean, the state department is in charge of the show here no?
Posted by: actus at May 17, 2005 01:43 AM (Ygl+x)
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"Ambassador Boucher, who I submit knows more than either of us about what goes down at Gitmo, suggests otherwise"
You're relying on a sole source? How very "newsweak".
Posted by: Republican at May 17, 2005 05:20 AM (Jirst)
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Why doesn't the ACLU file a lawsuit on behalf of the Victims
of Newsweek who died in the riots.
Posted by: Zebrab5 at May 17, 2005 10:34 AM (DoxEP)
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So when an a Christian American is held somewhere in the world, do they get the Bible handed to them with clean gloves?
I think not.
Posted by: American Infidel at May 27, 2005 05:40 PM (efhvh)
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May 16, 2005
Buddhist riots still ongoing after Bamiyan
The
destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas by the Taliban in March 2001 has had far-reaching implications. Today, the Dalai Lama personally defecated in the smoking ruins of a blood-smeared Uighur mosque, the latest sad, sad, completely fictional happening in an ugly campaign of anti-Muslim violence that has shaken the world since the venerated statues of the Buddha were destroyed by Taliban iconoclasts. "Karma's a
bitch, ain't it?" said the sprightly, grinning hierophant, cleansing himself with the tattered turban of an elderly imam.
UNESCO director Koichiro Matsuura said at the time, "As inexcusable as this action is, I hope that it will not provide fanatics elsewhere with an excuse for acts of destruction targeting Muslim cultural properties". Little did he realize the extent of the horrendous wave of riots, lynchings, and desecrations the Taliban's actions would engender. Some moderate Buddhists have condemned the Dalai Lama's harsh words, but have largely been intimidated into silence by a small band of noisy extremists--who do not represent mainstream Buddhism-- that marched through major Asian cities in million-strong protests this week. There is little the frightened moderates can do to stop the worldwide wave of sectarian Buddhist violence, often by itinerant bands of kung-fu-fighting Shaolin monks, against symbols and practitioners of the Islamic faith.
"Buddhism is a religion of peace, but we were provoked," said Drunken Monkey Master Qong Xi. "Their chickens have come home to roost, and are being methodically Kentucky Fried. What did they expect when they defaced these important cultural symbols of our religion? Besides, these Bamiyan statues were one of a kind, irreplaceable works of art, not the sort of thing that has been reproduced millions of times the world over."
Western human rights activists were flummoxed by the ongoing devastation and seemed generally baffled when asked for comment. "Buddhists v. Islam...Not touching that one with a ten-foot pole," confided one UN official.
UPDATE: Jeff Harrell has photoshopic evidence of efforts to accommodate Buddhist (and American) rage.
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I pray to God that the hundreds of thousands of rioting muslims around the world weren't of the "moderate" variety or we're in bigger trouble than I thought. Yes, they we're of the tinsy tiny sliver of "radical" muslims, that's it.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 08:44 PM (8e/V4)
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Zen at War
http://www.bpf.org/tsangha/loy-victoria.html
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"I pray to God that the hundreds of thousands of rioting muslims around the world weren't of the "moderate" variety or we're in bigger trouble than I thought."-Carlos
We're in big trouble. It's like, Oh Oh Hot Dog!
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WRKO Boston Cancels Newsweek Show
Is it possible there could be consequences for a major Media Outlet ie. Newsweek to engage in shoddy reporting? I looked outside and saw no flying pigs nor did the weather forecast say anything about hell freezing over, but here it is....
Per WND:
A major Boston talk-radio station cancelled Newsweek's weekly program due to the magazine's false report that U.S. interrogators desecrated the Quran at Guantanamo Bay by flushing one in the toilet.
Newsweek On Air" no longer will be broadcast on WRKO-AM, the station said in a statement today, according to a report by radio blogger Brian Maloney.
WRKO's schedule now shows "TBA" in place of the Newsweek program in its Sunday 9 p.m. timeslot.
Not a lot but it's a start
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Hmmmm. Newsweek isn't reporting fact? What a shame. FOX News? Oh, now there's an accurate propaganda channel!
Posted by: steven baber at May 16, 2005 05:38 PM (WfZ6a)
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steven,
Fox's ratings are higher than all the other cable news channels combined for a good reason. People trust it. The MSM is losing ratings and dying as we speak because people no longer trust it. You Libs lie through your teethe.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 06:59 PM (8e/V4)
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Posted by: Paladin at May 16, 2005 07:35 PM (18avw)
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Has Newsweek even offered an apology to the victims of the riots to the family's of those who died, Not Yet!
This is an example liberal elitist arrogance from the
secular fundamentalists at Newsweek. If Newsweek want come clean from their lie U.S. soldier threw a a copy of the Qur'an in a latrine at Kandahar airfield they need to
apologize to the Muslims of the world to every U.S.citizen for tarnishing the U.S.'s reputation pay the medical cost of these hurt in the riot pay for the funeral of the 17 who died. Compensate the the children who lost a Father or mother or both parents during the riots
Posted by: Zebrab5 at May 16, 2005 08:33 PM (DoxEP)
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Carlos, you gotta be kidding: FOX is far from fact, and ratings don't mean truth. It just means more people are duped...that is what propaganda is! It's brainwashing through media repetition. Respectable news is sourced, not "Some people say this, some people say that..." Plus, do you know of any other "news" network who sends out mails each morning to manipulate the reporters into practically lying? Oh yeah, and MSM sucks too, I don't trust CNN either. I think they are all bunch of fucking liars. I think it's pathetic that to find out accurate news in the USA I have to read foreign news. Carlos, I would hope you have enough intelligence to see through all that sensationalist lapdog bullshit ratings game. Unfair and unbalanced all the way...
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"It just means more people are duped...that is what propaganda is! It's brainwashing through media repetition."
And you on the left are the only ones who can see through this. Us lemmings on the right are too ignorant to understand this, PUHLEEEAZE. Your arrogance and collective condescention is what continues to lose you elections. The delusional "If they only knew what I knew they would think as I do" mentality is misguided and is an indication of a specious argument and a lazy mind.
Posted by: traderrob at May 17, 2005 05:52 AM (3al54)
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>>>"The delusional "If they only knew what I knew they would think as I do" mentality is misguided and is an indication of a specious argument and a lazy mind."
traderrob,
Very true. When I was a Lib I sneered down my own nose at all the regular folks who were duped, and not tres chic like me. I saw the masses as stupid grazing cattle. Honest to god. That's how Steven sees people. And I used to think to myself if only the cattle knew the things I know they'd turn into Liberals and real human beings.
Well, now I know what Libs know AND what conservatives know. And I've realized that information is not what makes the difference hear. It's values, plain and simple. Most Libs haven't even considered that, shows how dumb they are. That's why regular folks hate their fucking guts.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 08:23 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos hates 49% of his fellow Americans. Is he anti-American?
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 09:17 AM (/+dAV)
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Why doesn't the ACLU file a lawsuit on behalf of the Victims
of Newsweek who died in the riots.
Posted by: Zebrab5 at May 17, 2005 10:37 AM (DoxEP)
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Because it's the AMERICAN civil liberties union - Aclu
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 10:42 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
dissuade yourself asap of the delusion that 49% of the American people are Liberal. It's more like 15-20%. Those are the people regular folks hate.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 10:48 AM (8e/V4)
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greg,
Americans will die because of this kind of MSM sedition.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 10:51 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
I think that it is very likely that our military has desecrated the Koran in front of Muslim prisoners. If people die because of it, it's their own damn fault.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 11:18 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
you fucking Leftists desegrate the Bible and the Cross 24/7 and then get NEA grants for it.
So if our interrogators desecrated a Koran and muslims rioted and killed some people, they should get napalmed where they stand, and seditious pigs should have their citizenship revoked and be deported to live in a muslim country.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 12:10 PM (8e/V4)
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I don't know of anyone desecrating the Bible or the Cross. Now you're just making shit up.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 01:15 PM (/+dAV)
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"piss christ" comes to mind greg. No riots and no deaths resulted from that. It also isn't the only example.
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I note that "piss Christ" or any other examples that I can think of were not perpetrated by Muslims.
Holy Book desecration seems to be a unilateral phenomenon.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 02:13 PM (/+dAV)
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>>>"I note that "piss Christ" or any other examples that I can think of were not perpetrated by Muslims."
No, because even muslims have some modicum of decency where the secular Left has absolutely none.
Regarding, that was clearly a dodge on your part because your point is irrelevant. Your little dodge didn't work, and you lost. Case closed.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 02:22 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, Traderrob:
"The delusional "If they only knew what I knew they would think as I do" mentality is misguided and is an indication of a specious argument and a lazy mind."
I never wrote that if people knew what I know they would think as I do...but I would like to add that if you're a FOX "News" fan, you're probably not lazy, but you're sure as hell biased. Get a fucking clue, man. I don't see "the masses as stupid grazing cattle" either. It is pretty obvious that if you're always told the world is flat, you'll argue till you're blue in the face (no pun intended) that it's flat even when told it's round. I am simply stating that I wish our media was more unbiased and reliable...not a bunch of hyped, gossipy, ratings whores. I personally don't give a crap if someone burns or flushes a bible, torah or koran down the toilet. Someone pisses on a cross? WHO GIVES A FUCK! If you get pissed (again, no pun intended) about it, you're only going to contribute to your future heart attack. Someone is always doing something someone finds offensive, just do yourself a favor and ignore them. Maybe Ashcroft could have ignored that dirty little titty on the lady justice statue, but nooooooo. He had to cover it up lest he be tempted to do something SeXuAL XXXXX!!! DIRTY! TITTY! SO UNNATURAL! COVER IT UP! FUCK, PUT A BURKA ON IT DAMMIT! Chalk up another victory for the American Taliban! Oh yeah, and last time I checked, regular people like me and I wasn't labeled a "Lib" just because I question authority or have a different opinion. Don't get angry at me if you can't think for yourself...
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Your ignorance never ceases to amaze Greg. Muslims have desecrated many holy symbols and sites of other religions. Christian churches in the West Bank, jewish holy sites in the West Bank and North Africa, Buddhist sites in Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and more.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 18, 2005 01:05 AM (xauGB)
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What goes around comes around.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 09:02 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
what goes around comes around is exactly what I'd say to those muslim sub-human about their filthy koran being flushed down the toilet.
Let them riot. They only kill more of their own primitive kind.
Posted by: Carlos at May 18, 2005 09:06 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
you claim to be a believer but by calling muslims sub-human you insult God. Read the Bible again. They are the sons and daughters of Abraham. You'll never receive Salvation harboring such a sickness in your heart.
Do you believe that Muslims are not Homo sapien sapien? Are they a different Genus than Homo? Maybe Pan. Ridiculous!
I hope you get cured real soon and are filled with God's spirit.
I used to think you were one of the more rational Zionnazis on this site but now I think you're worse than Greyrooster. At least he admitted he was a racist.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 09:20 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
at the end of the day, of course I don't believe they're sub-humans. All men are created in God's image.
In the meantime, however, I rant about them just to watch it get stuck in your craw.
Posted by: Carlos at May 18, 2005 11:12 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
Good for you. But rather than playing to my craw you should concentrate on basking in the illuminating light of God.
I think God would like Christians to seek a reconciliation with Muslims and VICE VERSA. I believe this is possible. The Pope should convene a meeting of all the religions of the world in an attempt to delineate common ground.
Blessed are the Peace Makers. Seek peace and Salvation is yours.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 11:29 AM (/+dAV)
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Carlos,
One last thing. When you feel Satan inside you say with conviction, "Satan in the name of Jesus Christ, LEAVE ME". Then ask God to fill you with his spirit. It works for me.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 11:36 AM (/+dAV)
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God bless you greg. Good and true words.
But the Left (and you) has taken their anti-Bush thing too far-- to the point of glorifying islam and muslims-- just to stick it to the rightwing. And you've actually come to believe it. So we need to shock you with our words in order that you snap out of it. I would only use such words if I knew a brainwashed deluded Lefty (and you) were listening. And I do it for your benefit, (not for that of my fellow rightwingers) because these are words you need to hear so that you fucking snap out of it already.
Posted by: Carlos at May 18, 2005 12:59 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
No one is glorifying muslims, but neither should we demonize them.
When you attempt to shock me it only makes you look evil. You live, eat, breath and dream in a state of hate. You must snap out of it and claim your Salvation.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 02:25 PM (/+dAV)
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greg,
muslims are indeed glorified. Just watch Kingdom of Heaven, where every priest is a douchebag and all muslims are noble-- made by a Liberal with an axe to grind. He needs to be shocked bactk into reality, and what better way to do it than by taking a big fat dump on his "noble savage" sacred cow.
I know it makes me look evil, but the only proof a Lib needs that I'm evil is that I'm a conservative. So we've decided to go along with it just for the fun of watching it stick in your craw. Ironically, when we call muslims sub-human, etc., we're actually making fun of you, not muslims.
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"Ironically, when we call muslims sub-human, etc., we're actually making fun of you, not muslims."-Carlos
Good luck with this outlandish rationilization when you meet your maker. Just tell him all your hatred was just a joke..."Don't you get it God, wink, wink, nudge, nudge?" He'll probably bust a rib - yours.
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Score one for the Immedia
Per
Fox: Newsweak brings out the cane and yanks its false Fire-in-a-crowded-theater Koran-flushing story back into the fever swamp from which it emerged. It will now attempt to put toothpaste back into the tube.
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More likely the editors succumbed to the demands from the Bush Administration the story be made to appear false and buried. It wouldn't be the first time.
Posted by: deccles at May 17, 2005 09:06 AM (ViBnj)
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Deccles,
You nailed it on the head.
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Missing Fat Boy Whines, Sulks
Mookie Al-Sadr, paunchy moderate-cleric-murderin' city-attacking Shiite rabble rouser, floated up from his hidey-hole and
criticized the US and Saddam. He's been scarce since a warrant went out for his arrest in connection with the murder of a rival cleric.

Buddy, try the Al-Atkins
Yeah, he's a creep. The actual news here is that Ahmed Chalabi is helping him negotiate the dismissal of the indictment. I am conflicted about Chalabi's role in Iraq; people who know far more about Iraq than I do are sharply divided about whether Chalabi is a true Iraqi patriot or a self-dealing opportunist. The Fox article is a little vague about Chalabi's role, but any association with al-Sadr looks bad for him.
Let's remember what else al-Sadr did besides allegedly arranging the murder of a respected, moderate Shiite cleric and being a suspect in assorted other assassinations and sundry other anti-US activities. He also destroyed a Gypsy village (Qawliya) for immorality back in 2004. His mob leveled the town with machine guns, RPG's, and mortars when the village refused to give up a woman to stand trial for prostitution in Sadr's kangaroo religious court. An excellent dossier on all his Sadrmizing can be found in, of all places, Newsweek.
This murdering thug must not be allowed to return to a place of public power and respectability in Iraq.
UPDATE: CAPTION MOOKIE!
e.g., "We must sit on the American Infidels and crush them beneath our enormous Islamic butt!"
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I think another reason he's had the balls to pop up is the news that Zarqawi MIGHT (stressed) be fatally wounded. Sadr was just one guy in the way for Zarqawi and the feeling was mutual. Problem for Sadr was that Zarqawi was far more powerful and well funded.
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Rusty - that guy is fucking butt ugly. Please remove his picture from the website...replace with pussy terrorist from mine.
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 04:28 PM (9XmE5)
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Zarqawi more well-funded? I think the Sadrmite gets his moolah from the mullahs of Iran. Zarqawi's probably strapped for cash, although he is certainly less of a whiny mama's boy.
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Al-Sadr demands Americans leave Iraq
http://www.bakersfield.com/24hour/world/story/2399267p-10673718c.html
“Anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr came out of hiding Monday for the first time since his fighters clashed with American forces in August, delivering a fiery speech demanding that coalition forces leave Iraq and that Saddam Hussein be punished.”
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Greg, we can read. See-Dubya gave us a link with the same information from the same source, an AP journalist. So, what was your point?
Posted by: Oyster at May 16, 2005 06:28 PM (YudAC)
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It looks like the dude in the back is downing a bottle of Bud.
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Downing a Bud, smokin' a fattie, blowin a horn, poofing a spitball at Mookie...What is that guy doing? And why is Moqtada making that little "OK" sign? Is he a Sooner fan?
Your captions, gentlemen...
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XDDDDD Had a social studies field trip to KELA. Changed my religion to Islam XD roflmao! Now I have to wait a week to rechange it to evangelish Lutheran. (perhaps not, maybe Mormon! XD)
Posted by: A Finn at May 17, 2005 03:14 AM (cWMi4)
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Sounds like a Finish version of a Somerset Maugham novel.
When you arrive at the Catholic faith Finn, you will have found the great truth.
Your walking on the RazorÂ’s edge, I hope you find the right answer before you fall off.
Posted by: Brad at May 17, 2005 08:38 AM (pO1tP)
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Lighten up, man. Just messing with the government officials a bit. I'll re-Lutheranize eventually, but perhaps some Taoism first =).
Posted by: A Finn at May 17, 2005 03:01 PM (lGolT)
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And there's no way I'll go Catholic for even a week. It's heretic Pope-,Jesus- and saint-worshipping, and way too much associated with pedofilia.
Posted by: A Finn at May 18, 2005 02:19 AM (cWMi4)
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Jesus did not found his chruch on the rock of Luther or Mohammad
Posted by: Brad at May 18, 2005 09:02 AM (pO1tP)
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Perhaps the Jews are the only ones who are right then. They worship only God and have no particular person other people can say founded their religion, so their connection with God is more credible than a religions with a clear founder to question and call crazy cultleader.
Posted by: A Finn at May 18, 2005 04:17 PM (lGolT)
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Well, go ahead and embrace it young Finn. That would take you to a better place than where you are now.
The Great Church can take you from there home.We have many Jewish converts. YouÂ’re evolving!
Posted by: Brad at May 18, 2005 05:38 PM (jH4e4)
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I think people can't convert to Jewism, I hear you can only be Judaist if you weren't born a Jew.
I'll just go back to evangelish-Lutheran ATHEIST that I've always been. Best way for me. Being a PAGAN would be a lot more fun, since then I wouldn't even know of this stupid Yahweh messing up the world and running three religions, which he makes fight one another.
Posted by: A Finn at May 19, 2005 04:20 AM (cWMi4)
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Finn,
If I could take away your keys to the sleigh, I would.
Posted by: Brad at May 19, 2005 07:55 AM (pO1tP)
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? Oooooookaaaaayyy... For some reason that doesn't make any sense.
Posted by: A Finn at May 19, 2005 10:20 AM (lGolT)
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"Buddy, try the Al-Atkins" and "We must sit on the American Infidels and crush them beneath our enormous Islamic butt!"
The USA is still the most obese nation in the world the last time I checked... You should have captioned: "Will will track down and shoot the American Infidels who will not be able to run fast enough to escape us with their fat asses and the rest will die of heart attacks!"
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Hostage Nabil Al-Wazer...
has been released.
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Thanks VERY MUCH to everybody. I can't say it enough.
Posted by: Jane at May 17, 2005 08:52 AM (HoSBk)
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For what? You don't actually believe that the goings on at this site influenced the outcome do you?
You guys have a Messiah complex.
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Progress in the Middle East
By
Matt from WMD:
From Reuters:
Kuwait's parliament passed a law on Monday granting women the right to vote and run in elections, for the first time in the pro-Western Gulf Arab state.
Kuwaiti women lining the podium burst into cheers when parliament speaker Jassim al-Khorafi said the legislation had been passed by a majority of the all-male parliament to grant full suffrage to women.
"We made it. This is history," said prominent activist Roula al-Dashti. "Our target is the parliamentary polls in 2007. I'm starting my campaign from today," she told reporters.
There were 35 in favor, 23 against, and one abstention on the vote that had met fierce resistance from Islamists and other MPs.
Although, apparently, it is too late for women to register and run for office in the next election.
This is a step in the right direction for the Middle East.
Does anybody think this sort of thing would be happening if Saddam were still in power?
Visit Matt's home blog: Weapons of Mass Discussion
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"Does anybody think this sort of thing would be happening if Saddam were still in power?"
Why not?
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 02:07 PM (/+dAV)
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Well, Greg, I don't know if you noticed, but democracy easn't exactly flourishing over there before...and women's rights weren't exactly being championed by anybody... I'm just saying...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 02:16 PM (vQcWL)
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I fail to see the cause and affect. Just sayin...
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 02:18 PM (/+dAV)
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Let me guess, you also think that Libya would have spontaneously given up their WMD programs while Saddam was still in power too...
Reforms such as this didn't have any kind of support prior to the democratization on Iraq...now that there is a free Arab nation in the Middle East, people in surrounding countries want it too...that's about as 'cause and effect' as it gets.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 02:29 PM (vQcWL)
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Forget Lybia Matt.
The question is how did Saddam's removal contribute to the Kuwaiti decision to allow women to run and vote for political office?
I fail to see the connection and you haven't provided one. I'll let you have a do over.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 02:35 PM (/+dAV)
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Clearly you don't believe in the transformative power of democracy. I can't make you see it, man...
Is it POSSIBLE that Kuwait would have allowed women to vote if Saddam were still in power? Sure... Is it likely? I don't think so.
But really, neither of us is going to be able to "prove" it to the other because we're engaging in speculation.
My whole point in asking the question was to see which types of people would say exactly what you said...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 02:39 PM (vQcWL)
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Matt,
referring to Kuwaiti women's new found right to vote you made the statement, "Does anybody think this sort of thing would be happening if Saddam were still in power?".
You were given two chances to provide an argument that supports your contention. The best you can do is attriibute the affect to the "transformative power of democracy". That's baby talk Matt. Maybe one of the other readers will be kind enough to come to your rescue.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 02:46 PM (/+dAV)
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greg is at it again I see. So greg, tell us why it isn't related.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 16, 2005 02:48 PM (jPCiN)
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I can't help it if you lack the ability to understand me, Greg...would smaller words help you out some?
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 02:50 PM (vQcWL)
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The new guy's an Idiot.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 03:02 PM (/+dAV)
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And that makes you, what? Some kind of genius? Whatever, dude...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 03:09 PM (vQcWL)
Posted by: Pudgy at May 16, 2005 03:27 PM (xh/Qw)
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Greg, I'll explain it for you, but I'm afraid I will have to use lots of big words, so get someone to help you if you can. First, with the establishment of parliamentary democracy in Iraq, which of course had nothing to do with the fall of Saddam, which of course was not due to the war, women are guaranteed 27% of all legislative seats. In most places, this is called "progress", except by progressives of course, who pretend it doesn't exist, as it could only be called progress if the UN was involved, in which case the female children of the country would have been introduced to the progressive notion of child prostituion, but I digress. Oh also, Afghan women have guaranteed seats in their government as well, but of course, one thing has nothing to do with the other, and the fact that both followed closely on the heels of American wars of liberation are purely coincidental, and as we all know, both wars have been double-plus-ungood for all those poor people who have had to suffer the indignities of freedom.
Second, the women of Iraq and Afghanistan no longer have as much to fear as they once did, i.e. kidnapping, rape rooms, etc.. The women of Kuwait, who have been more free up to this point than the women of Iraq and Afghanistan, don't like the fact that they're now less free. It's not a jealousy thing, they just want to be free. Imagine that, don't they know they'd be better off if Saddam was still in power? I'm not sure how they would be, but if you, the all knowing, all seeing greg say so, it must be true.
So, greg, why are you so dead set against making people free? Is it the fact that they're just "little brown people", or is it that in your heart, where you secretly admire "Uncle Joe", you think autocractic authoritarianism is better than freedom? I'm guessing the latter, since people who are free to choose and well informed rarely choose the left hand path of politics, and that just kills you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 16, 2005 04:30 PM (0yYS2)
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greg: "I fail to see the cause and affect. Just sayin..."
But you can't deny the timing.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 11:09 PM (8e/V4)
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Granting full political rights to Kuwaiti women has nothing to do with the fact that Saddam was driven out of power. Kuwait has been known as the only democratic country in the gulf since it was established. The first sheikh Sabah the 1st was chosen by shoura (elections within the tribes of kuwait). Study Kuwait's history, and you will know for a fact that women activists were pushing for rights since the early 70's. Oh and not to forget mentioning the Amiri decree of 1999 ( the Amir granting the women full political rights before Saddam's fall , was shut down by opposing groups in the parliament).
Posted by: q8iya at May 19, 2005 03:08 PM (ZJu3S)
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Well, Greg, I don't know if you noticed, but democracy easn't exactly flourishing over there before...and women's rights weren't exactly being championed by anybody... I'm just saying...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 02:16 PM
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In addition,
((Kuwait's organic law, with its formal commitment to equality, is a feminist mainstay, providing a normative justification for women's continuing efforts to achieve equal rights under a constitution that is widely respected by the population.))
Posted by: q8iya at May 19, 2005 03:15 PM (ZJu3S)
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benım adım kerım hepınızı severım
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Afghan Clerics DonÂ’t Trust Newsweek Retraction
Quite fortuitously, Chad at inTheBullPen has a post that's a good match for my previous diatribe on the Muslim culture and mindset. Chad posts that, "Despite the fact that Newsweek has said their report concerning the alleged flushing of the Koran was erroneous, the same Islamic clerics who want the interrogators shipped to an Islamic country for trial now say they do not believe NewsweekÂ’s retraction. Shocking? It shouldnÂ’t be."
“We will not be deceived by this,” Islamic cleric Mullah
Sadullah Abu Aman told Reuters in the northern Afghan province of
Badakhshan, referring to the magazineÂ’s retraction.
“This is a decision by America to save itself. It comes because of American pressure. Even an ordinary illiterate peasant understands this and
won’t accept it.”
Chad notes that "this comes not only from a group already believing the United States is in a war against Islam, something the MSM and several Left-leaning politicians and pundits advance ‘unwittingly’, but it also comes from people that only have the slightest clue of what a free press is. The lack of understanding that Newsweek is not controlled by the government is partially responsible for the same non-believing that a retraction was not pushed by the Bush administration."
Chad's take on the Muslim culture and mindset is much kinder than my own, but having previously written that the mindless, tantrum-like violence sparked by the false story has shown us the true face of the Islamic culture today - the face of a sick and violence-prone society, enveloped and characterized more by hate than by love of God and humanity, and badly in need of reform, I'll just leave it at that. If the entire situation wasn't so damned dangerous and have such grave repercussions, the Muslims as a people and their reactions to the non-event would be laughable.
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Newsweek Got Gitmo Right
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959
“Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.”
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 11:39 AM (/+dAV)
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I really think Holy Quran novelty toilet paper would sell big right now...man if I just had some money...should it be soft or kinda rough?
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 11:49 AM (9XmE5)
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Afghan clerics only trust Newsweek when it makes the U.S. look bad, just like Liberals.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 12:37 PM (8e/V4)
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I'll use the toilet paper if it's got quotes on it from Greg, too.
Posted by: Editor at May 16, 2005 12:41 PM (adpJH)
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You should tamp your mouth with it, shit for brains.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 01:57 PM (/+dAV)
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That's the ticket, Greg. I'm going to put that one right in the suggestion box. Perfet!
Posted by: Editor at May 16, 2005 03:00 PM (adpJH)
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Since the Afghan clerics didn't call for the death penalty for the Taliban who destroyed two millenia old sculptures of Buddha, they can all go stuff themselves as hypocrites like Greg.
The muslim world has an ugly history of desecration. When they grow up, people might pay attention to them. Again, like greg.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 03:06 PM (xauGB)
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I was thinking of some ad themes, maybe calling it "Jihad" and maybe have a slogan like "extra soft for those times when its Allah uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Ahkbar!" and you can wipe your old Mo with your favorite verse from the Quran!
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 03:07 PM (9XmE5)
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I know it' juvenile, but I'm going to express it anyway. Fuck all you muslims.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 03:33 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: a Muslim at May 16, 2005 03:47 PM (/+dAV)
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here's why they hate us so badly...
http://roomforrant.blogspot.com/2005/05/why-they-hate-us-reason-no-1.html
Posted by: Mr. K at May 16, 2005 04:25 PM (9XmE5)
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Mr. K! Dude! A little warning would have been in order. Ewww!
Posted by: Oyster at May 16, 2005 06:16 PM (YudAC)
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The Koran belongs in the toilet, toss it in there take a dump and flush.
Muslims are subanimals, killing them should be depenalized.
Posted by: nukemeccanow at May 16, 2005 06:26 PM (lhxhb)
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I just want the Islamic world to know that the Americans who desecrated the Koran represent only a small part of of the American population, and that they should not judge us all by the actions of a few. (sarcasm by the way)
Posted by: REMF at May 17, 2005 07:34 AM (aLiCo)
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"The Koran belongs in the toilet, toss it in there take a dump and flush.
Muslims are subanimals, killing them should be depenalized. "-nukemeccanow
Does anyone doubt that the Koran has been desecrated on many occasions by our military in full view of prisoners?
NukeMeccaNow shows the true heart of you Zionazis. You believe that brown people are not only subhuman but subanimal. This is a racist war and yet you take advantage of your own Hispanic and Black soldiers. Secretly you feel them to be subhuman too. Filthy White Bitches! Guess what! From a Darwinian perspective they are the fitter segment of the gene pool as they are out breeding us by leaps and bounds.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 09:03 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg's copying out from KKK pamphlets again, I see.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 17, 2005 09:17 AM (xauGB)
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Robin has totally lost her ability to reason if she equates my prior post to something a Klansman would say. It was quite to the contrary.
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Islamic Tantrums, Etc.: Newsweek one-line error sparks world-wide riots and violence throughout Muslim world
I've waited several days to post on this, hoping someone else would comment on it - but I guess I'm the only one that considered what has happened across the Muslim world over the past few days as the tantrums of a sick culture. Sure, Newsweek did what the mainstream media does best in a world that places more importance on getting the story out first than on getting the story out right; they researched, wrote a piece, trashed the administration and our country, trashed the reputation of our military, and got the story out to the world - wrongly. Subsequently, sparked by a single paragraph in Newsweek alleging that US military interrogators had desecrated the Koran, a wave of anti-American demonstrations swept the Islamic world from the Gaza Strip to the Java Sea. In the past week it was condemned in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Malaysia and by the Arab League, and on Sunday, Afghan Muslim clerics threatened to call for a holy war against the United States. Think about it, this is from a sub-population of our planet that refers to themselves as peaceful? What does this say about their culture, their thoughtfulness, their mindset, and their suitability to join in the rest of mankind in making our planet a better place to live ? One can only describe the Islamist's and Muslim's reaction as tantrums - child-like fits, mindless violence, and just plain old lack of class and respect for life and other people's property.
Frankly, I don't give a damned what anyone does to the Koran. My opinion(personal viewpoint - not an expert opinion) is that it is a work of fiction, half-truths, and distorted facts, written by 'who really knows how many people' to control a population, and the toilet is just as good a place for it as a book shelf or night stand. But the toilet episode never occured in the first place, Newsweek got it wrong, the Arab press never bothered to verify the alleged toilet episode any more than did Newsweek, and the mindless, tantrum-like violence sparked by the false story showed all of us the true face of the Islamic culture today - a sick and violence-prone society, enveloped and characterized more by hate than by love of God and humanity, and badly in need of reform.
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While the premise of your argument is correct, it's conclusion is mis-directed.
My opinion, the old media's agenda driven template got them in deep, and people are paying with their lives. I would expect that Isikoff will be fired, and the editor get fired and resign. This is far worse than RatherGate, how many suicide bombers will be recruited based on this made up story. As with Rather, Newsweek wanted to believe it so bad, they just knew it had to be true.
The damage done to the U.S. reputation and progress being made bringing societies into the modern tolerant world is incalculable. An issue has been handed to the Taliban/Jihadis that is far worse that what the old media was able to do with abu-grab. though they tried mightily -- the suicide bombings that will result from this Jihadi recruiting tool is going to take many lives.
Have you considered that it might be better to try and change the Muslim culture than it is to criticize? If you go back in history 30-40 years you will find this new strain of Islamic extremism is a recent phenomena. If you look deep, the people oppressed by these tyranical leaders do not agree with them, and practice a form of Islam that is no worse than modern Christianity. Want proof, just look at some news photos from the 50s and 60s of Muslim countries.
Posted by: 10ksnooker at May 16, 2005 10:26 AM (7evkT)
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Is this a Newsweek Gate or Gitmo Gate?
Frankly, It wouldn't surprise me if they flushed the Koran. I don't give a flip either, but a lot of Muslims do seem to mind..
Newsweek screwed up bigtime, they should really check their sources better..
Posted by: IM at May 16, 2005 10:50 AM (MOpJN)
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Newsweek Got Gitmo Right
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959
“Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.”
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 11:02 AM (/+dAV)
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I am no more an expert on Islam than I am an expert on nanotechnology. Both seem equally befuddling, but in my view, the statement--"Islam (a totalitarian ideology less than a century old). The terrorism of al qaeda, Hamas, the Iranian government and other Islamists results from the ideas of such contemporary radicals as Osama bin Laden and Ayatollah Khomeini, not from the Koran."-- simply is not true. Islamic radicalism dates back to the days of Muhammad. The subjugation of women and the unworthy has a fundamental Quranic basis. That religion needs fixing and I mean a top-to-bottom overhaul.
Posted by: Sean the INFDL at May 16, 2005 11:17 AM (ptLBd)
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A prime example of why Rusty's argument about war time censorship is valid. Fake korans maybe, maybe not. Newsweek has done serious damage here. I'm not so much upset about the Koran thing. It is afterall just paper. The koran claims to be a message from the god of the people of the book. Well the book is full of examples of this god hating idol worship. If you ask me kneeling toward mecca and praying to that box in the center is just that, idol worship. If the koran is a message from God then why does it direct behavior that God hates. Prince of Lies inspired it that's why.
Posted by: Howie at May 16, 2005 11:25 AM (YdcZ0)
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Muslims should be ashamed of themselves.
Christians and Jews would never stoop to this behaviour, but I guess it's what we've come to expect from Muslims.
Certainly Liberals would condemn such behaviour from Christians and Jews, but not from Muslims. Liberals don't have very high expectations of their little brown multi-culti pets.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 12:40 PM (8e/V4)
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I had decided to reserve comment on this particular aspect of the incident until the release of a Flash game I started work on yesterday. It's called "Can the Koran" (I plan to resist the more islamo-friendly "Q'ran"), you can likely infer the purpose but it will allow the player to use the pages of that particular piece of deranged fiction in all manner of ways, only one of which would be flushing.
Perhaps I can get my Fatwah then?
Posted by: GoldFalcon at May 16, 2005 12:59 PM (5xFFG)
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Greg is fond of sources that are anti-American in basic ideology and which have expressly adopted the lie as their core rhetorical tactic. Greg is allied with the enemies of the United States. Greg knows who he is most comfortable with.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 01:42 PM (xauGB)
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Ahhhh, shut yer trap, Robin.
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 01:50 PM (/+dAV)
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No, greg. I won't. Threats to people who say things that are uncomfortable to you is the hallmark of the little jackboot tyrant we all know you are.
Greg probably masturbated to each video of afghans burning US flags.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 03:07 PM (xauGB)
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Robin is a naughty little girl!
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 03:17 PM (/+dAV)
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These dirtbags are looking for any excuse. They burn my country's flag and harbor terrorists that attack us and they are all upset by someone allegedly flushing a Koran? I'll flush your Koran, and I will wife my gorgeous butt with it first!! You want respect? Earn it! You don't get my respect by opressing half your population and burning the flag of my country, for that you get my undying contempt and my government gets every bit of my support for trying to remove you and those of your ilk from the planet.
Posted by: Teri Davis at May 16, 2005 03:19 PM (8JBAv)
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"and I will wife my gorgeous butt with it first!!"-Teri Davis
Teri, got any pics?
Posted by: greg at May 16, 2005 03:32 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: traderrob at May 16, 2005 07:47 PM (3al54)
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Sean the INFDL needs to read a little more history. The origin of Islam actually gave women more rights than they had under the prevailing cultural practices. It also gave them more political rights than they held in Europe until the 19th & 20th Centuries.
It wasn't until the early 1970s that France allowed women to open their own bank accounts. And Switzerland franchised all Swiss women in the same time period--prior to that, several cantons did not permit women to vote.
Posted by: John Burgess at May 16, 2005 11:04 PM (7HZOv)
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"It wasn't until the early 1970s that France allowed women to open their own bank accounts."
what a load of crap. Makes me wonder about the rest of your post.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 11:13 PM (8e/V4)
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Well, I think this issue shows some contradictions of the current US politics. When you speak freely you admit that you hate muslims and the Quran. It's not a think to be ashamed of: after all, you see them as your enemy.
At the same time, you try very hard not to make this hate too explicit. You try to convince muslims that you're not against their religion. While the truth is that - besides the many different facets of Islam - the Quran is the foundation of everything in Islam Countries, so Islam IS really now your enemy.
I'm not judging here: this is a matter of fact. Your very comments show this. Even not considering your religious beliefs (many of you are Christian and (legimately) think that your religions is the only one 'right' religion, just from a politic/military point of view, Islam is your enemy.
So, I can't know if what Newsweek wrote was true. I think it's very likely it was true. After all, it looks like US intelligence is using every means to make prisoners talk. Being those prisoners Islamic fundamentalists, profaning their Quran will hurt them much more than ant physical torture. I really think it really happened.
But, the problem is, US administration can't afford to be open about this question. Muslims should not and must not know that somebody with an US uniform may have prophaned the Quran. There would be no way to justify this act.
So now you're against Newsweek. It's a good excuse to hit a magazine you don't like. It's a good excuse to criticize free press in time of war (but during WWII US press was allowed to write about US actions against the Nazis... why should this be so different if Islam is really the enemy?)
The hypocrisy is very clear: you can't be against Islam and respectful towards Islam at the same time. One of these attitudes will have to go. Which one would you choice?
Posted by: paul at May 17, 2005 02:44 AM (8U5to)
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Paul
Only thing i dont agree with in your post is
"Profaning the Quran will hurt them more than any physical
torture"
Religion doesnt bother me, but i seriously doubt ripping up a Bible in front out a devout christian could possibly hurt more than,say,
Chopping someones head off its just not likely.
Posted by: sparky at May 17, 2005 08:29 AM (F1nba)
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>>>"(but during WWII US press was allowed to write about US actions against the Nazis... why should this be so different if Islam is really the enemy?)"
You're an ignoramus. The U.S. press was heavily censored during WWII. They even had an official Office of Press Censorship you fucking moron. Bush is a pussy because he doesn't have the balls to put that seditious pig Izikoff up on charges.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 11:02 AM (8e/V4)
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"Bush is a Pussy"-Carlos
On that we can all agree. Is he Jeff Gannon's "pussy"? All those late night stays...
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 11:21 AM (/+dAV)
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Carlos,
I've leveled a charge of racism against you at:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/082178.php
silence is affirmation
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 11:26 AM (/+dAV)
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dude, will you PLEASE stop hunting me down on other threads!
LMAO!
I'm a religionist, not a racist. I don't believe in race, only pigmentation.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 12:22 PM (8e/V4)
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As a "religionist", don't you understand that you are insulting God by calling Muslims sub-human?
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 01:19 PM (/+dAV)
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And you're a racist despite your acrobatics to the contrary.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 01:20 PM (/+dAV)
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"And you're a racist despite your acrobatics to the contrary."
hahaha! that's the best response you could come up with?
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 02:25 PM (8e/V4)
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As a "religionist", don't you understand that you are insulting God by calling Muslims sub-human?
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 03:12 PM (/+dAV)
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By definition, one cannot "desecrate" that which is not sacred.
Even a cursory look at the so-called Koran, reveals a persistant call upon all Islamists to murder all non-islamists, so-called infidels.
The book is not worthy to be called sacred by any stretch of imagination.
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Some startling news about our neighbor to the north was reported in the Hindustan Times among other sources.
Canadian intelligence experts believe that converts to Islam in the country are becoming a major source of Al-Qaeda combatants and pose a risk to security.
An intelligence report from Canada's spy service, released to a daily said "there is a direct threat to Canada and Canadian interests from Al-Qaeda and related groups," and that those groups are attempting to expand their support in Canada.
Shocking. I know
Canada not only has intelligence experts, but a spy agency too! Who knew? But seriously, folks
this is something we need to take notice of because our border with Canada is pretty porous.
"Converts are highly prized by terrorist groups for their familiarity with the West and relative ease at moving through Western society," the recently declassified Canadian Security Intelligence Service report said.
This is the real danger posed in this story.
"The perception that the West is attacking Islam on multiple fronts continues to anger the Muslim world and contributes to support for radical views. Converts in particular are prone to extreme views because of their new-found zeal."
When CSIS Director Jim Judd testified recently before the Senate committee reviewing Canada's anti-terrorism legislation, he noted there were now suspected terrorists in Canada that "have had no discernible previous link of any kind with the terrorist networks."
That's what's on the other side of our border to the north. Anybody care to venture a guess what's going on to the south?
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I think a bigger story is how George Lucas believes the U.S. is in danger of losing its democratic ideals.
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=337337
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/13776.html
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 09:43 AM (dbxVM)
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If I honestly thought George Lucas was any kind of threat to be taken seriously, I'd consider wasting a minute or two of my time to refute his nonsensical ramblings. Since he isn't, I won't take the time to point out the MANY errors of logic in comparing actual history to his so-called epic adventure.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 09:57 AM (vQcWL)
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Matt, my above comment was meant:
1) To emphasize the triviality of the original post. While border security is important, I'd hardly call it "porous," since Canada has had to comply with U.S.-stipulated border controls. In short, since Canada wanted to continue to do business with its largest trading partner, it had to tighten all of its borders (land, sea, air, electronic, etc.) in manners the U.S. deemed necessary.
2) To have a little fun. This is, after all, a Star Wars-themed blog.
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 10:06 AM (dbxVM)
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Whether or not the US/Canada border is "porous" is certainly up to debate. That it can be characterized as "secure" is not. That really is what my post was trying to point out. The border with Canada is just as important as the US/Mexico border, but it doesn't get near the scrutiny that it should (mainly because Canada is cooperating with us on these issues - at least in theory).
I got the fun part... : ) However, I can imagine someone trying to make the point that Lucas has some sage advice for the world on the issues of the day...and I ain't buying that even on a STAR WARS-themed blog...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 10:32 AM (vQcWL)
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"Too many think that anti-Americanism, their rejection of our aggressive efforts to expose and stop these extremists, bestows upon them a shield from those extremists. They are wrong."
I don't really know who you're referring to in this statement. If you're commenting on the Canadian government, I'd say that stationing troops in Afghanistan and helping rid that country of the Taliban & Al Qaeda pretty much proves their on the U.S.'s side of the GWOT. Remember, the GWOT means "Global," not just Iraq.
If you're referring to elements of the Canadian population, I'd counter by saying that there are likely more "Americans" in the U.S. that share those exact same views (just by using proportional representation in both countries). I'd say these people would pose the bigger threat, since they're already inside.
Of course, I suppose it's much easier for you to lash out at another country rather than reflect towards home.
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 11:39 AM (dbxVM)
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Canada has sheltered a lot of islamic extremists and terrorist sympathizers over the years. That is according to the RCMP itself. While I admire the small unit of troops Canada sent to Afghanistan, Canada's support in the GWOT is lukewarm at best. Canada's inability to defend itself, and its policy to undermine the US' attempts to defend both the US and Canada ( witness their idiotic stance on missile defense ) is not the behavior of a ally but of a narcissistic Left elite isolated from reality.
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Robin, could it also be said that the actions of the U.S. are not the actions of an ally of Canada but, rather, those of a narcissistic, neoconservative right that cares only of its well-being and bases most foreign policy decisions on fear rather than fact?
Your definition of ally seems to imply that other countries should act not in their own best interests, but in the U.S.'s best interests. Why? Further, what definition of ally do you use?
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 02:16 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Not to mention a problem with false hypotheticals.
Canada acts in ways that are not even in its own best interests.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 03:09 PM (xauGB)
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Not really, Robin, I understood what you were saying. I simply think you're wrong. You're making a call as to what constitutes an ally, but your view is narrow.
And as for this:
"Canada acts in ways that are not even in its own best interests."
Please elaborate. Canada seems to be doing pretty well with its own foreign policy. It's able to keep the U.S. as an ally while making its own decisions.
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 04:49 PM (dbxVM)
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"Canada has sheltered a lot of islamic extremists and terrorist sympathizers over the years."
As if the US hasn't? Wake up people!!!!
Posted by: deccles at May 17, 2005 09:09 AM (ViBnj)
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Good point...another reason for border control. We can catch these guys on BOTH sides of the border.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 17, 2005 09:38 AM (vQcWL)
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...or at least contain them better than we are right now.
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 17, 2005 09:39 AM (vQcWL)
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Odd. Seems this blog is bashing Canada more aless. Hasn't anyone forgoten that the reason our border is so friggen loose-ended is the "Free Trade" aggrement between the US and Canada. Canadians and Americans DO NOT require a Passport from either side. This was so Truck drivers movinf products had less time at the border. But as of 2006, Canadian will require a passport to enter the US. Which will make all of those Americans that Travel to Alaska for holdidays, also require a passport. Only becasue for Americans who want to go home, have to prove they are American. Canada decide, why waste the few millions on passport requirments when the americans will do it for us!!!! Thinkign about all of this, it seems that our so called "Free Trade" Agrrement will sease to end, while Canada has been more focused on its Trade Agreements with the East! (Britian, Ukraine, Russia) Since Alberta cant export its Beef to the US, seems that Britian has taken the Bill. And Russia, require expert Oil Engineers, so canada is helping with support of the large oil projects in the North, to send help. Either way, seems Canada is moving away from the US....also have you checked your dollor, the canadian dollor is catching up fast!!!!
Posted by: Bill Elter at July 08, 2005 03:00 PM (PDq8m)
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I am a Canadian with a pretty thick skin when it comes to people making statements about my country, but I have to comment on a couple things I read here.
"While I admire the small unit of troops Canada sent to Afghanistan, Canada's support in the GWOT is lukewarm at best."
I think you should realise that while we have a great land mass up here our population is equal to that of the state of California. We are a small country in terms of population - we are a country that takes pride in our international efforts in peacekeeping missions and being a tolerant people NOT in being a military power.
"Canada's inability to defend itself, and its policy to undermine the US' attempts to defend both the US and Canada ( witness their idiotic stance on missile defense ) is not the behavior of a ally but of a narcissistic Left elite isolated from reality."
We could not defend ourselves against an attack from a major military power like the USA... nobody in their right mind would claim we could - but I think many of our American brothers south of the border greatly underestimate what capabilities we do have up here in military terms. We are quite capable of defending ourselves from any REALISTIC threat, as the likelyhood of the US, Russia, England or other countries with massive populations declaring war on us is next to nil. I suppose if we devoted all of our resources to the military we could bump ourselves up the list on "countries we can compete with" but even with %100 devotion to becoming a military power we would never come close to the USA or England. We do not devote massive resources to R&D of military technology but we do keep our forces up to date with the latest aircraft, naval vessels and infantry equipment and tactics and I'm sorry my friend but no matter how many times the stereo type that we depend on the USA for national defense is spouted it won't bring it any closer to being the truth.
I'm also sorry to say but our idiotic stance on ballistic missile defense isn't so idiotic at all. When and if the next attack comes to North America what will be the means of delivery. A ballistic missile or a suitcase left in a truck? Think about it. The USA and Canada already have NORAD to monitor our airspace. We have no interest in putting weapons in orbit around our planet or escalating/pushing the R&D of such weapons. We have no desire to undermine the security of this continent, we've just realized that the 80's are OVER.
I can't speak for all Canadians or for the future decisions of our government but it is my strong opinion that the best position for us (as Canadians) is to concentrate on internal security rather than sending our troops abroad to stir up trouble or escalating the delivery systems of WMD's no matter who's behind the trigger. Now, I may strike a nerve here but look at my statement from my shoes - We don't go around the world whacking the hornets nest with a big stick. We are a target of terrorism on the basis of association with "Western Culture" not because of our actions abroad. That being said, we (being the average Canadian citizen) are not ignorant to our own position or the position of our neighbors to the south. The least we can do is help keep terrorist elements out of our continent and support logical and sane actions - to us Afghanistan made sense, Iraq did NOT.
Times are changing, if Sep 11 had been a conventional military attack by ANY country in the world we would be mobilizing our entire force right now as we've done throughout EVERY major overseas conflict since WWI with the exception of Vietnam and the 2nd action in IRAQ. I would say we've done our fare share when it comes to fighting for freedom and democracy. It's not unfair to expect that we can stay out of certain conflicts (Vietnam and the Invasion of Iraq WITHOUT UN support) without being blasted as narcissistic Left elite isolated from reality.
Amazing what a few draft-dodgers moving to Canada during the Vietnam war will do to a reputation. Stop beleiving what's spoon fed to you and look it up.
Thank you.
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A New Neologism
Ace of Spades has been
griping for a long time about how there's no noun available to replace the dreadful neologism "blogosphere". It's easy enough to ignore Ace, but now Maserati-drivin' Cornerite Warren Bell
complains about it as well. Since both of these guys are apparently screenwriters of somewhat varying degrees of success, my sympathy is limited. Just make up your own word and stick to it, fellas.
Nonetheless, these simpering weiners may have a point. "Blogosphere" sounds sufficiently nerdy to describe most electronic media, but it doesn't go far enough. Too often we're grasping for a word that includes more than just blogs, and encompasses all the fast-turnaround pixel-based publications that fling new ideas and breaking news around like poo in a monkey house, leaving the old-fashioned media in the dirt. Drudge, Lucianne.com, Free Republic, NRO, Fark, Tech Central Station, DU, Best of the Web, all these need a word that distinguishes them, along with blogs, from those old-fashioned print and TV outlets creeping along in the left lane with their blinkers on, blissfully causing riots in Afghanistan and correcting them a week later, shaking their liver-spotted fists at us whippersnappers in our Maseratis passing them on the right.
So that word is: "The Immedia".
Yeah, Google gives many hits on "immedia" already. ("The Immedia" gets much fewer.) Someone's probably even copyrighted it. But who cares? The word does what it's supposed to do and there's no reason it can't be pressed into service, immediately.
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"The Immedia" ?
No fucking way, you have
got to be joking, LMAO, that is so art-house wanky, and so been there done that. Dude, way before your time as a blogger art schools throughout the land were setting up "Intermedia" departments. It was wanky then and it sounds even wankier now. At least those guys were nice peaceful harmless types - the worst one guy ever did was eat lightbulbs live in a performance peice.
Go on, I dare you, call your log "Immediac" - haH HAH HAH.
I CAN'T believe I am hearing this from a 40 year old lecturer.
Ditch the "media". Really. Just go with the "I". Or the "me", the "Imesphere" - now that has a ring to it.
Anyway, once the teenies start playing sounds and homemade animations en mass through their sites this whole print thing is going to start looking incredibly ratty and liver-spotted (like it doesn't already).
Logs, these are just logs, electronic logs and diaries, nothing more, nothing less. A bunch of scrambled letters, that's all. It's just expressionism, that's all. Degenerate expressionism manifesting itself in a world at war. Or dadaism, lacking in coherence and logic. A bunch of mashed up articles and clippings selected at random and scattered across the web.
"The Immedia" LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL
Posted by: Republican at May 16, 2005 07:00 AM (zPCEz)
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How about "Accountable Media Sources Of Principle Which Expose Bias"
AMSOP-WEB
No? Oh well. I tried.
Posted by: Oyster at May 16, 2005 07:07 AM (YudAC)
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"Blog" and its derivatives always reminds me of Harrison Ford's comment to Carrie Fisher at their first reading of the "Star Wars" script. "You can read this stuff, but you can't speak it."
Posted by: Mr. Kurtz at May 16, 2005 07:41 AM (UmkWi)
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I was trying to get my arms around Immedia, but just couldn't.
It sounds too much like Immodium. And that comparison will not do us any good, no matter how apt it may be.
http://www.imodium.com/
Posted by: Tom at May 16, 2005 09:01 AM (X/h0P)
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I like blogosphere, why does it need a change? Blogosphere represents the new media and I am sure the MSM (old media)would love to see a name change fight er discussion. I dont think that the name blogosphere will ever go away, just get bigger. At lest I hope so.
Posted by: Bill at May 16, 2005 01:55 PM (xPftg)
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One too many "o"s. Just Blogsphere. Tougher. Tighter. Much better than blogglobe. Blognet. Blogistan. Blogcadia. Heh.
Immedia is pretentious beyond words to describe it. About 2 major layers of abstraction beyond anything relevant and usable.
Anyway, these things cannot be "decided"; they happen. Wanna try another word? Run it up the Blogstaff and see who salutes!
Posted by: Brian H at May 21, 2005 12:46 AM (8AabM)
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One too many "o"s. Just Blogsphere. Tougher. Tighter. Much better than blogglobe. Blognet. Blogistan. Blogcadia. Heh.
Immedia is pretentious beyond words to describe it. About 2 major layers of abstraction above anything relevant and usable.
Anyway, these things cannot be "decided"; they happen. Wanna try another word? Run it up the Blogstaff and see who salutes!
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Oops. Edit revision was a double. Sorry.
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Newsweak II--The Undiscovered Irony
Actually this is being hinted at in a few different places, but let's make it explicit:
Newsweek ran a story based on mistaken information about flushing a Koran. As a result of their mistake, people died and America's reputation suffered abroad.
George Bush invaded Iraq based (in part) on mistaken information about WMD's. As a result of his invasion, people died and America's reputation suffered abroad.
Of course, Iraq did have WMD production capabilities, they did sponsor terrorism, they did violate UN resolutions and international law, they did prosecute a genocide against the Kurds and killed thousands upon thousands in a nightmarish totalitarian state. And Iraq now has a fledgling democracy. And America clearly demonstrated its resolve to avenge the attacks of 9/11. But all that's not important right now.
What is important: Newsweek did exactly what the left accuses Bush of doing. Can the left defend Newsweek without implicitly defending Bush as well?
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You pawn. The fact is that every US home (almost) has a flushable toilet. The production capability was there, and right-wing US bloggers
regularly sponsor extremist right-wing behaviour - noting Blog-ads to left; "Victor Davis Hanson at his best", "Politically Incorrect - The Coolest Right Wing Shirts", "Military News and Discussion" (echo chamber) glorification of dark side etc.
Newsweek pre-emptively broke a headline that was waiting to happen. Newsweek are committed in their foresight and commited in alerting their audience to risk.
Anyway, if you still think "the left" read Newsweek you probably need re-educative instruction. The left read and write everything. Including rightwing spoofs like this sit...woops, cat got out of bag again.
Posted by: Republican at May 16, 2005 07:29 AM (zPCEz)
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Newsweak lied, people died.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 08:55 AM (8e/V4)
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"What is important: Newsweek did exactly what the left accuses Bush of doing. Can the left defend Newsweek without implicitly defending Bush as well"
And can the right attack newsweek without implicitly attacking bush as well?
Paralyzed we are.
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 09:14 AM (Ygl+x)
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actus,
a valid point if Bush had relied only on a single unnamed source. In other words, Bush would have made a better journalist than Michael Izikoff.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 09:18 AM (8e/V4)
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"a valid point if Bush had relied only on a single unnamed source. "
Then rusty's analogy also fails. I'm assuming it doesn't.
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 10:01 AM (Ygl+x)
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actus,
relying on a single solitary anonymous source is a lot closer to lying than relying on multiple foreign and domestic intelligence sources.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 10:49 AM (8e/V4)
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"relying on a single solitary anonymous source is a lot closer to lying than relying on multiple foreign and domestic intelligence sources."
and going to war and killing lots of people and using billions of dollars is a lot different than printing words on paper. but we can still use analogies.
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 11:13 AM (Ygl+x)
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actus,
but causing deaths in order to further U.S. interests is a lot different than causing deaths just to hurt Bush.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 11:26 AM (8e/V4)
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"but causing deaths in order to further U.S. interests is a lot different than causing deaths just to hurt Bush."
The analogies rise and fall together, as they are mirrors of each other.
Do you really hold newsweek morally culpable for those deaths? if a koran had actually been desecrated, would you hold that desecrator as culpable?
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 11:30 AM (Ygl+x)
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Do you really hold newsweek morally culpable for those deaths? if a koran had actually been desecrated, would you hold that desecrator as culpable?
actus,
I would consider Newsweek morally culpable for reporting it even if it were true, because they reported it based on either A) malice against Bush, regardless of the consequences, or B) without malice, but with reckless ignorance of the consequences. That kind of ignorance is culpable.
Newsweek was motivated either by malice or extreme ignorance of the consequences. And anybody that ignorant should not be reporting world news. I find it hard to believe Izikoff is that naive.
But given that the accusations aren't true, Newsweeak is double and triple culpable.
The interrogator, on the other hand, is not morally culpable because A) flushing Koran pages down a toilet isn't immoral, anymore than some Liberal atheist flushing pages of the Bible is immoral. It was merely an interrogation technique not consisting of torture, and not meant for publication by ignorant malicious journalists.
Or the interrogator not culpable because B) he never did flush Koran pages down a toilet.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 12:14 PM (8e/V4)
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"Newsweek was motivated either by malice or extreme ignorance of the consequences."
What if they knew the consequences? How do you get malice? how can this be pinned on bush?
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 12:22 PM (Ygl+x)
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This is part and parcel of the MSM actions to abuse their role in our society to attempt to not merely inform, not merely debate but to undermine our government with false stories.
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"This is part and parcel of the MSM actions to abuse their role in our society to attempt to not merely inform, not merely debate but to undermine our government with false stories."
Do you really think that desecration of the koran does not happen?
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 06:21 PM (Ygl+x)
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"Do you really think that desecration of the koran does not happen?"
I couldn't care less if it does happen. Bibles and buddhist statues are desecrated 24/7 by these muslim sub-humans, and we don't fucking riot and kill people over it. If someone riots because of a desecrated Koran he should be shot like a mad dog.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 07:04 PM (8e/V4)
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Actus-
Yes, I really think desecration of the Koran does NOT happen at the hands of our civilian interrogators or soldiers. I think anyone who did so would face severe discipline. For very good reasons, as the recent riots have demonstrated.
I expect that, in line with the "fake menstrual blood" incident, it would be within the rules of engagement to desecrate a fake Koran. I have no knowledge of that, of course, and whether it would be effective I am quite doubtful.
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"Yes, I really think desecration of the Koran does NOT happen at the hands of our civilian interrogators or soldiers. "
Woah.
Posted by: actus at May 16, 2005 10:35 PM (Ygl+x)
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Actus, do you know something I don't, or do you just have a much lower opinion of our troops than I do?
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"Actus, do you know something I don't, or do you just have a much lower opinion of our troops than I do?"
I'm assuming our troops act a lot like prison guards -- which aren't nice people. I don't think that mishandling a Koran is that big of a deal -- in the humane treatement sense -- and I'm assuming that our troops don't either. Not the kind of thing I would do, but I've never had to run a prison/ detention system.
I'm also going by the fact that before this there have been other reports of desecrations, and other religious offenses being used.
Are you really surprised to find out that, in a prison, jailers act like prison guards?
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"by these muslim sub-humans"--Carlos
Carlos shows us his true colors. He believes one fifth of the world is comprised of sub-humans. He probably thinks the same of Africans and Orientals. Carlos is a racist. This is a racist war.
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greg,
it's true, I do believe they're sub-humans. But it's not racism, it's religionism. And it's no different that how you Leftists see us christians.
(and I don't care if you're not a Leftist-- given your views, you might as well be.)
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 12:15 PM (8e/V4)
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and ps., greg, YOU are the racist for holding Arabs to such low expectations of their behaviour. You think it's fine when they act like savages because after all they're only Arabs-- the little brown people (said with an Irish brogue). YOU are the racist for always giving the little savages a pass, while holding christians, Israelis, Americans, westerners to unrealistic standards of perfection.
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 12:32 PM (8e/V4)
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"it's true, I do believe they're sub-humans. But it's not racism, it's religionism."-Carlos
It is racism and furthermore you insult God by saying so. These are the sons and daughters of Abraham.
"And it's no different that how you Leftists see us christians."-Carlos
I am a Christian. You're talking out your ass.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 01:27 PM (/+dAV)
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greg,
do you believe in the divinity of Christ, and his claim that there is no way to the Father but through him (Jesus)?
Posted by: Carlos at May 17, 2005 02:27 PM (8e/V4)
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Yes, as a matter of fact I do.
Posted by: greg at May 17, 2005 02:42 PM (/+dAV)
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well good for you greg. You've just risen a few notches in my estimattion of you. But your Leftist buddies can still suck eggs.
Posted by: Carlos at May 18, 2005 12:53 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
You insult God by calling His creations sub-human. I don't think you can receive salvation unless you rid yourself of this sickness.
Posted by: greg at May 18, 2005 08:33 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg
I am serioulsy getting fed up with all the crap about religion.
It is not a Religious war The terrorist may like to think it s a religious war but its not. The Coalition forces are not fighting a religion they are fighting idiotic brainwashed fools who ought to know better. thats all folks........
Posted by: sparky at May 18, 2005 01:27 PM (F1nba)
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Sparky,
Take a deep breath, now exhale. That's it, inhale, exhale.
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PHeeeewwwwww
Thats better

PMT!
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Posted by: casinos in linea at July 01, 2005 09:41 PM (MHDX6)
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all of u dumb ass u cant blame bush for all of this he just did what he that was right and could help and protect our country. If Keery would have done somthing like this u would have been for him so shut up. But hey Kerry Isnt president so u cant say ne thing.
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Real ID act, or More Demagoguery from the Clinton Camp (Get used to it)
Palominas has a post up about
Hilary's comments on the Real ID act.
Apparently, since members of the public like us, who take time to read the fine print and worry what kind of precedent a bill like this will set have voiced objections to the bill, Hillary is against it too.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This woman is dangerous and cunning. She will stop at nothing to sway public favor in her direction and win power. DO NOT TRUST HER.
PS-if you don't know anything about the Real ID act, I wrote a post last week about it.
Cross-posted at Ze Uzzer Blog
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No one more than Hellery, in recent memory, reinforces my conviction that power does not corrupt; power attracts the corruptable. In comparison, her husband is just a venal lightweight.
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Kim Jong-Il: The New Face of Evil
Mark Coffey at
Decision '08 has an eloquent
post on the grave situation in North Korea.
Go check it out. It's a worthwhile read, like all his work.
Cross-posted at Suzanne's blog
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As I commented over at Mark's, I recently heard a Noth Korean refugee say how good it felt to be in a
free country. The PRC.
Posted by: Mr. Kurtz at May 16, 2005 07:55 AM (UmkWi)
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Kim Jong-Il looks like a mongoloid. Bet he was born retarded.
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May 15, 2005
Ansar al-Sunnah Video Attack on Contractors
The
video is now up. Thanks to Ian of
The Political Teen with help in compressing and editing the video.
What is disturing about this video, though it should not surprise anyone, is that they drag out dead and injured bodies into a pile and then shoot them. There is not any footage of Saito nor his capture therefore I presume they are saving that footage for later as that is their method.
You should notice two white splotches in the video which were not added by myself or Ian. They were included in the original video. What do they conceal? My guess is these splotches cover up the vehicles used by the terrorists or another distinguishing characteristic of some of the terrorists and/or methods. This is the first I've seen in a terrorist video where they have intenionally blotted out something.
You can download the video here.
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This mean they have problems with digital editing software- or they had too little time to do it properly - by blur efects or something else than this.But the question remain - I've seen loots of Ansar al Sunnah videos - and there were not scared of showing off their cars , so maybe they are using expensive models or special models? Samples from this video was shown to mass public - in Polish Public and comercial news too.
Posted by: Polish.expert at May 15, 2005 04:53 PM (el7Vq)
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Here is what I have found out http://osint.blox.pl/html
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Oh, fuck this nonsense...RUSTY! What did you think of episode 3?!! I heard it's the best of all 6? Fill me in.
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Newsweak
Well, if they didn't lie exactly, as Traderrob points out below, their mistake did lead to murderous riots and widespread unpleasantness. Malkin, with the
roundup.
But, friends, I ask you, should we be so quick to judge?
more...
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yeah, f%$# those motherf*&^ers!!! hang 'em high!
Posted by: Mr. K at May 15, 2005 03:40 PM (6wsg3)
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So
Myers was right. The media is out of control and their bias has killed people.
Posted by: Scott B at May 15, 2005 04:33 PM (y6ZHS)
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I won't believe for one second that they didn't know what such an inflammatory lie would lead to, especially in parts of the world where our troops are in harm's way. I believe that they counted on it, and were only disappointed in the fact that no Americans died in the direct aftermath. Our enemies are many and various, but whether their weapon is an RPG or a shameful lie, they are an enemy nonetheless. All persons involved in this lie should be tried as criminals.
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Seems to me that anyone who reports for a major news media about what is going on in sectors of the globe should at least have a smattering of an idea of what makes them tick. Anyone with a mind should realize that the Muslims consider the Koran to be an integral part of their life and not something to be sneered at. Yet here we have these major reporters and editors putting out a story without ever double checking the facts of it or ever passing it by the source to see if it is correct and it is a story that is guaranteed to cause riots in Muslim countries. Then we get an apology from the magazine after people have died and been maimed that the magazine apologizes to the people who were killed or injured. Sorry, too little and too late.
Then in addition to making a half-hearted apology, they turn around and in a story from Reuters announce that the reporters and editors will not have any action taken against them.
Why then did they bother to apologize at all if they really didn't mean it. I personally think that Newsweek and the reporters and editors involved should have to go to all the countries where the riots occurred, especially Afghanistan, and announce that the story was wrong and it was their fault. Then they should donate a lot of money and aid to the population of the country to try to repair all the damage they have done. That is the least they can do and I don't personally think it even comes close to repairing all the damage they caused the American cause, the Afghani cause or the cause of the WOT in the rest of the world. Snarky comments from them in passing just is not acceptable.
Posted by: dick at May 15, 2005 08:34 PM (NGdOJ)
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Freedom of the press anyone? It was so stated by our founding fathers to keep everyone's actions in check, unless you are Fox news or the NYTimes, biased style... My opinion is, if some motherfucker snaps a picture or video of you doing something fucked up, you better be accountable. Don't shoot the messenger: Regulate or stop whining like a bitch-ass when you're caught with your pants down. Oh, so and so said such and such and now there's hell to pay...pblththth!
Posted by: osamabeenthere at May 15, 2005 10:25 PM (WfZ6a)
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The MSM's hatred for George W. Bush kills people.
Posted by: Carlos at May 15, 2005 11:03 PM (8e/V4)
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The Bush anti-truth reporting propaganda machine strikes again!!
Posted by: deccles at May 17, 2005 09:11 AM (ViBnj)
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Duh-bya, Lib-ya sittin' in a tree...
Oily hand jobs aren't free...
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Newsweek Paragraph Sparks Violence. Were They Cavalier in Their Reporting?
It was one
small seemingly insignificant paragraph to Isikoff, but the results were significant and deadly.
The unrest began this week after Newsweek published an allegation that American military interrogators had desecrated the Islamic holy book in an effort to rattle detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. The report said that they had placed the Koran on the lavatory inside inmates’ cells and had “in at least one case, flushed a holy book down the toilet” .
AT LEAST nine people were killed yesterday as a wave of anti-American demonstrations swept the Islamic world from the Gaza Strip to the Java Sea, sparked by a single paragraph in a magazine alleging that US military interrogators had desecrated the Koran. lts were devastating.
Now it's beginning to become clear that the "devastating" paragraph wasn't true.
On Saturday, Isikoff spoke to his original source, the senior government official, who said that he clearly recalled reading investigative reports about mishandling the Qur'an, including a toilet incident. But the official, still speaking anonymously, could no longer be sure that these concerns had surfaced in the SouthCom report. Told of what the NEWSWEEK source said, DiRita exploded, "People are dead because of what this son of a bitch said. How could he be credible now?"
Another reliable "anonymous" source. To make a contention with this sort of potential impact Isikoff should have had at least 3 sources two of which would be willing to go on the record. Don't these people have the slightest concern for the consequences of their actions. Are they so myopic in their zeal that thinly verified assertions are synonomous with fact.
The pen is mightier than the sword and when used indiscrimantly equally as deadly.
Update: Newsweek apologizes....sort of:
Last Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told us that a review of the probe cited in our story showed that it was never meant to look into charges of Qur'an desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them "not credible." Our original source later said he couldn't be certain about reading of the alleged Qur'an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts. Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we. But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst.
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Newsweek is responsible for these riots and deaths. They should be proud of themselves.
Posted by: Carlos at May 15, 2005 10:04 AM (8e/V4)
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What can I do?
Well, go ahead and try to sell me a Newsweek. Go ahead, try!
I demand accountability for this irresponsible article. ItÂ’s typical of the MSM to search high and low for any item that would damage the cause of Democracy in Iraq.
Pro Democracy Newsweek subscribers should demand IsikoffÂ’s job. Let Newsweek try to make a profit selling their rag to the salons of Urban America. Then they can try to get Volvo and Trojan to buy all their add space.
DonÂ’t support this crap with your money! Boycott Newsweek!
Posted by: Brad at May 15, 2005 10:09 AM (pO1tP)
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Isikoff should be made to answer for this. People died because of his reporting. He hands the jihadis a tailor made reason to spread hate against the U.S.
It's obvious that his intent was to gen up a slanderous scandal, abu-Grab II, use it against the Bush administration and take the credit for it.
He went too far. Unless he has hard proof of his charges -- He should be fired.
Posted by: bill at May 15, 2005 10:33 AM (7evkT)
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Fired? His words are directly responsible for several deaths! Surely there are criminal charges that could be brought? Seriously....the man needs to be held responsible.
Posted by: BorgQueen at May 15, 2005 11:14 AM (AxlwF)
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Normally I am on board with you guys. How about blaming the psycho Muslims for taking the whole thing a little too seriously. If you look at them the wrong way, they flip out.
Look at the women, they flip out.
Criticize suicise bombing, they flip out.
Ask them to consider a more rational approach to their religion and, you guessed it, the flip out.
The MSM is biased and lame, but this should have been a non-story. Recall some "art" display in the US a few years ago, called "Piss Jesus". Some "artist" dunked a crucifix in urine. Christians protested. Liberals defended the a-hole. And then everyone went home. Peacefully. Quietly.
Would you have blamed the MSM for inflaming Christian passions by reporting the story?
The MSM is responsible for many things, but these riots are the fault of extremists and idiots who happen to be Muslims.
Posted by: Bill Dautrieve at May 15, 2005 11:31 AM (aH2mq)
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If the story had been true, I would agree with you for the most part. The point is, it was in all liklihood not, and that reckless reporting with little regard for the consequences is the crux of the issue.
Posted by: traderrob at May 15, 2005 01:19 PM (3al54)
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What happened to Blog Sabbath? Is Ozzie gonna be a guest blogger?
Posted by: Mr. K at May 15, 2005 01:48 PM (QqA6E)
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The Koran is as holy as a Reader's Digest.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 15, 2005 03:30 PM (Fw/Gv)
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Its just absolutely unthinkable that anything bad would happen to koran in the custody of the US war on terror.
Posted by: actus at May 15, 2005 10:05 PM (QPrcU)
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Howard Fineman was on Imus this morning, and he was trying to defend and spin Newsweek's handling of the matter into something other than a complete and utter mess that it is. Even Imus was having none of it; asking why and how Newsweek could run a story with one source providing the attribution and the 'second' source never even commenting on the section in question. The 'second' source apparently critiqued a different part of the story, and that served as the basis for validating the entire story.
Fineman noted that Newsweek ran a more detailed research on the story after reports surfaced that the original story could not be confirmed. That seems to be bass ackward, considering the import of the story. How about this - do the research and due diligence first, run the story second. Not the reverse, which could get a lot of poeple killed, damage credibility of numerous parties involved, and have political, social, and religious ramifications that extend well beyond what anyone could have imagined.
Meanwhile, the riots continue, the US has a far more difficult situation ahead of it because Newsweek ran a story that appears concocted out of the mind of a solitary individual (sound familiar?), and people are dead.
Where is the culpability on the part of Newsweek and how many other stories are run using the same methodology used here.
It really makes you wonder who is cavalier with their stories, the original media, or the immedia (bloggers)?
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>>>"It really makes you wonder who is cavalier with their stories, the original media, or the immedia (bloggers)?"
Exactly. These are the same people who sneeringly look down their noses at alternative media, including the blogs and radio talkers.
Posted by: Carlos at May 16, 2005 09:00 AM (8e/V4)
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Newsweek and The Washington Post, thier parent, should be boycotted. At some point the American public no matter what their ideals needs to make it known that irresponsible jurnalism will not be tolerated. As an american we are all now more likely to be victims of terrorism because of this false unsubstantiated story. Even if the story itself only adds a fraction of a percent to that likelyhood it is still an escalation and something the US public doesn't want to suffer. We are already suffering enough just for trying to make the lives of these people better but now we must suffer for things that never occured. This should be unacceptable to everyone in the US.
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May 14, 2005
The Kidnapping of Nabil al-Wazer
This story comes to us from Armies of Liberation, who asks that we have a link fest on this one, gather support for getting the word out on this story, and watch it unfold over the next few days.
ThereÂ’s an al-Qaeda jihad against the Zaidis in Yemen, and many of the al-Qaeda jihadists are leaders in the Yemeni government and security forces. They've bombed civilians, closed schools, trashed libraries, had mass arrests, prohibited Zaidi sermons, dragged charred bodies through the streets, and more.
Nabil al-Wazer is prominent in the Popular Forces Union, a Zaidi party with a secular basis. HeÂ’s also related to the partyÂ’s leader. Just like they bombed the Zaidi region (Saada), now its the turn of the Zaidi party to be attacked. Its part of the jihad against the Yemeni Zaidis (shia). Otherwise the government would return him safely to his family.
Nabil al-Wazer is being held by Houssain Abo Dunya in Hajja since Tuesday. Kidnapped. HeÂ’s kidnapped. His location is known. Since Tuesday. Not a police in sight. Nothing.
The kidnapper is asking for approximately $50,000 US dollars.
So the Yemeni government can do mass arrests and arbitrary arrests, but not legitimate arrests. It can target its citizens but not protect them. It can arrest women, and boys, and old men, but not criminals. One would think that if a citizen is kidnapped, the law enforcement would go recover him. So is the Yemeni government a state, or is it a mafia if they donÂ’t perform even the most basic functions like hostage recovery?
Unless theyÂ’re in on it. LetÂ’s all watch and see what happens next.
Related reading - Why Al-qaeda survives in Yemen.
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Blogging from D.C.
Yo peeps. I'm blogging from an underground bunker deep in enemy territory. And by that I mean 'a squalid Capital Hill basement apartment. Unfortunately it's the place the
Professor Chaos calls home.
The first thing you notice when coming from the backwoods of a Red State to the nation's capital are all the self-important looking young people. Wannabes of all sorts come to this modern Babylon to climb, claw, and sleep their way to the top. In many ways this place reminds me of L.A., my home town, with its hordes of young people willing to do just about anything to make big in Hollywood. But at least L.A. has a socially valuable product that people are willing to pay for.
This town is worse than Rome. At least Rome had some pretty interesting entertainment--you know, with that whole Colliseum thingy.
Here the goal is power. Here they forcefully rob the nation of its wealth and redistribute it amongst themselves.
In the Bible Rome is personafied as a whore. A whore is far too wholesome to represnt this town. Whores give you something in return and the exchange is voluntary.
What best represents D.C. then? A Rapist.
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Man, I thought I asked you to make it sound like the Batcave or something. Now I come off as just some lame college professor living in a basement apartment ...
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at May 14, 2005 10:20 PM (R0xRP)
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Easy there, bulldog. Some of us are here just trying to feed our selves. Plus, the major goofballs in DC are all sent here from out of town.
Posted by: harrison at May 14, 2005 10:26 PM (fO2kP)
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Rusty:
Just got back from having dinner in the Dupont Circle area with some of the
Free Muslims and a few of their supporters, including Judith at
Keshertalk and the good protest warrior satirists at
Communists for Kerry. Beers, margueritas, cajun cooking, and lots of conversation about the future of, well you know... that place with all the Mullahs, weightlifters and nukes.
Posted by: Demosophist at May 14, 2005 10:43 PM (d0CtA)
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my, my, such a cynical young man...remember, we put a lot of those people there. When I was in DC, all I saw was history, I guess I ignored tthe people.
Posted by: Mr.K at May 15, 2005 01:43 PM (QqA6E)
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While I no longer live in DC, it absolutely does not lack for things to do, no matter your interest--okay, deepsea diving, mountain climbing, and unauthorized piloting excepted.
Posted by: John Burgess at May 15, 2005 04:51 PM (7HZOv)
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"What best represents D.C. then? A Rapist."
Hey we're working on sending them back to sugarland.
Posted by: actus at May 15, 2005 10:06 PM (QPrcU)
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