January 02, 2005
Who Is Afraid of the UN?
So, what's with this whole UN thing anyways?
The newly found heft given to the UN's opinions has a number of Americans well and truly puzzled, and for good reason, too.
The UN has no army, save what it can rent from the stellar powers like Bangladesh and Argentina. It has no power, therefore, to actually enforce any of its dictates, save asking pretty-please-with-sugar-on-top. No revenue collecting authority, except the charity of nation states. And at this point, transparency at the UN would involve actually codifying a price list and giving better invoicing documentation when vetoes are bought and sold.
How can an organization that has "approved" only two wars - the Korean and Gulf Wars - decide that their imprimatur is the definition of just war? How can the organization that provided the audience for genocides in the Balkans, decide that the United States lacks the moral authority to give aid to tsunami victims?
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The UN is flawed by design.
Unelected representatives of undemoctratic nations voting on stuff just ain't gonna work too well.
Well, it ain't going to work atall.
Posted by: qpr jon at January 03, 2005 08:18 AM (XnNC6)
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QPR -
I have to agree with you totally on that. Anyone who thinks that the pen is mightier than the sword applies to bureaucracy just isn't paying attention.
Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at January 03, 2005 09:40 AM (kiA+F)
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Loved it when the UN decided to send natives who dress in loin cloths and carry spears at home to Bosnia. The reason, they needed the money to buy goats back home.
National Geo did a special on the (warriors). When they got back home they still didn't understand what the war was about and who was fighting it. However, they did appreciate the money as they considered themselves rich and purchased many goats.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 03, 2005 08:10 PM (XioYD)
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Try Bosnia Hotel for one.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 05, 2005 04:10 PM (sqa1t)
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58 Times the Headache
For some men, committment scares them. For others . . . well, I'll just leave it at
this (via
The Roth Report).
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That is so disgusting, Chad but by their rules, you can marry as many women that you can afford. In the Islam religion, this is one thing that should definitely be banned. How could he ever get bored with 58 wives? Man, that's just gross. It would be nice to find just one wonderful man permanently committed to just me and then you have this which really did crack me up.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 03, 2005 09:47 AM (D39Vm)
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Congressman Matsui Dies
(Bethesda, Maryland) A blood disorder is being blamed for causing the
death of California Democratic Congressman Robert Matsui. He died last night surrounded by his family at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Matsui was 63. (via
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Now perhaps we can get the Auburn dam built.
Posted by: Gene 6-Pack at January 03, 2005 09:01 AM (7XPVo)
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I thought it was cancer.
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Saddam Speaks with His Lawyers
Saddam Hussein has met with his lawyers. DEBKA has learned some of the topics of the dicsussion between Hussein and one of his lawyers. It is interesting to say the least.
He had two main gripes. One was that the Americans will not let him shave his beard despite his repeated requests. He even offered to let a US military barber shave him, but they refused. His theory is that the Americans want to make sure that whenever he appears in public, as he did on June 30, 2004 before an Iraqi investigating judge, he will look confused, unkempt and too low in spirits to bother to shave.
His second complaint was against the Red Cross workers. He wanted their visits stopped because he said they are neither polite nor respectful.
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While the Red Cross has consistently make statements trying to get access to the most secretive captives held by the U.S. military for humanitarian reasons, I find it more than funny that Saddam does not wish to meet with them. Saddam, who is reportedly in better health now than he was prior to the war, has recieved good treatment and is even
writing poetry while in prison.
The nature of the strategic military role of Iraqi forces has been revealed. While the Coallition is facing insurgency coupled with terrorism, it was Saddam who ordered a switch to guerilla tactics.
Two days later, he called together the military commanders serving in the capital and its environs. They informed him they had run out of troops for conducting the war. It was then, Saddam said, “I ordered the transition to guerrilla warfare. I told the commanders: the Americans will stretch out full length across Iraq like a viper. That will be the moment to attack and lop off each section one by one.” The deposed president bragged: “All the insurgency and guerrilla operations in progress are the fruit of my decision and my pre-planning.”
While Saddam has made numerous statements in the past which are neither credible or accurate, the full extent of Saddam's call for a more guerilla style of warfare is not known. In all liklihood the above did occur however which is why many former Baathist Party and Saddam loyalists are leading the insurgency accross Iraq. There has been that transition into guerilla warfare, though any Saddam loyalists are being aided by terrorist groups and visa versa.
In Fallujah there were hundreds of Saddam loyalists fighting the United States as the U.S. cleared out the city. Many of the terrorists left the city prior to the invasion, but what was left was many of the old Iraqi army.
Saddam has never recognized Israel's right to exist, which is not entirely new in the Middle Eastern world. According to DEBKA's sources however, a deal from the Israelis and some Western sources would have centered upon Saddam recognizing Israel. This type of deal would not have detered the U.S. and allies who believed Saddam had WMDs, however this act would have sent shockwaves throughout the Middle East.
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January 01, 2005
Iraqi Interest in Elections on the Rise
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BAGHDAD, Jan. 1 -- The number of Iraqis making sure they are properly registered to vote has surged dramatically, officials said Saturday, calling the rise evidence of enthusiasm for the Jan. 30 elections despite continuing security concerns that have blocked the process in two provinces.
After a slow start to the six-week registration process that began Nov. 1, the number of voters making corrections to official voter lists more than doubled in the final week, according to a final tally quoted by election officials Saturday.
Officials said that more than 2.1 million people went to local election offices to assure that eligible members of their households could vote. About 1.2 million forms were submitted to add names to the voter lists, an involved process that requires providing proof of identification and residence.
Despite the constant threats by the terrorists inside of Iraq against Iraqis voting, Iraqis are eagerly awaiting January 30, the day of the scheduled elections. Iraqis do not have to register to vote, therefore there will of course be more than 2.1 million people voting on election day.
Signs of Democracy inside of Iraq are slow showing, however they are there. While terrorists and countries surrounding Iraq are actively fighting against the idea of Democracy in the Middle East, they are being aided by many of the media organizations based in the Middle East as well. Al Hura is perhaps the only exception, though they are funded by the U.S. government.
Al Jazeera has yet to run a piece on any of the candidates in Iraq and has only mentioned Democracy in passing. Iraqi newspapers have reported on the elections, however with over 200 daily newspapers in Iraq there are a few papers who are anti-Democracy. Of course a free press is crucial in a Democracy therefore any view is welcomed in a Democratic society.
News of increased interest in the elections as well as increased awareness is crucial in trying to quell the views expressed by both the world-wide media and several world leaders' opinions regarding what percentage of people voting would constitute a legitimate Democracy. While these views may not be accurate considering some of the comments have come from leaders in tyrannies and dictatorial regimes, there are others who need to recognize the election as legitimate in order for Democracy to succeed in Iraq.
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I hope they have a good turnout. I do believe the attacks on voting places, personnel, etc: will slow down to nothing come voting day. Once the Islamofacists see its going to happen anyway there's not much they can do.
If election goes well and Iraqis show some courage it may well be the beginning of the end for terrorism in Iraq.
Where will they go next? Perhaps a very rich kingdom next door. One with 98% of the wealth controlled by a few thousand members of an extended family? Seems ripe for the picking.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 02, 2005 07:21 AM (eLjJa)
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They will continue, probably to a lesser extent. The "Insurgents" are for a good part, Sunnis who wish to remain in power, and will forment civil war until the Iraqi Sunni Minority sucks it up and refuses to allow these people into their neighborhoods. It's a "native" thing, something all the Marines we send can't change!
Currently, WE are fighting their Civil War for them. (the Kurds and the Shiites)
Posted by: large at January 02, 2005 11:17 AM (VRK2g)
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Could be: Just seems to me that once they realize they will not be in power they will not wish to give the Shias a reason to retaliate. I hope they do. Payback.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 03, 2005 08:28 PM (XioYD)
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I don't think the Shias have the means to retaliate. It's pretty much, as large mentioned, the US that's doing the fighting for them. As was mentioned at the start of the invasion, until Iraq can support its own effective army, coalition troops will have to stay. And, I think, the only way Iraq can get its own army in decent shape will be when the insurgency is gone. Training them now might produce a few good soldiers, but their lack of experience pretty much makes them sitting ducks.
Posted by: Venom at January 05, 2005 03:47 PM (dbxVM)
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chupence un culo forros
Posted by: facundo at January 09, 2005 12:33 PM (DFOHf)
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por que no se van un po a la mierda y en vez de matar irakires matan los bolitas de argentina que estan akl pedo...
Posted by: nicolas at January 09, 2005 12:35 PM (DFOHf)
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groxas mutilasiones eh!!
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Murder and Warfare, Redux
Ok, in a bid to try to retackle the long-ago post on Murder and Warfare, let me, um... tackle it again. Or something...
"There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men. We're trying to teach you to be dangerous - to the enemy. Dangerous even without a knife. Deadly as long as you still have one hand or one foot and are still alive." -- Starship Troopers
There are three classes of people, as far as warfare is concerned: non-combatants, combatants, and prisoners.
Non-combatants have tacitly agreed to follow the dictates of whoever has the guns and is in control. Essentially, non-combatants have agreed not to be "dangerous", at least as far as combatants are concerned.
Combatants are the folks with the guns. They have two roles. The first role is to impose their will (or more accurately, the political will of their leadership) on the non-combatants in a war zone. Or, to put it another way, they are they guys with the guns to whom the non-combatants listen. The second role of a combatant is to resist the guys on the other side with guns and prevent them from imposing their will on the non-combatants. The primary distinguishing feature of combatants is that they are "dangerous" men.
Prisoners are people who have made the transition from combatant to non-combatant. The important thing to note about being a prisoner is that it is nothing other than a state of mind. Prisoners are disarmed, but not all who are disarmed are necessarily prisoners. To return to the terminology of Starship Troopers, prisoners are those who were formerly "dangerous" into non-dangerous people.
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BRD: Excellent post. I'm currently working with a student doing his thesis on the strategic equilibrium that terrorists face, between capabilities and desire.
I teach a freshman seminar in the "great books" and I include
Starship Troopers in my unit on utopian novels. It's an underread and undervalued book.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at January 01, 2005 09:17 PM (zKQRg)
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Read the book 45 years ago when it was #1. Because of its long time on the top sellers list Stranger jumped right to the to a few years later. Prisoners are very dangerous. It would have been my sworn duty if I had been taken prisoner to do every thing in my power to resist the enemy, starting with killing the guards and escaping. I always assumed any prisoners we took felt this same way and made it clear that any wrong moves would result in termination. BTW it has been a long time (45 years) since I read Troopers but I don't remember Bob saying prisoners were non dangerous. Be so kind as to tell me what chaps it is in.
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Rod Stanton
Cerritos
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 02, 2005 03:50 PM (tHUgl)
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Rod,
Bob doesn't state any such thing about prisoners being non-dangerous. I bring the quote up to point out that whether or not a person is dangerous is a state of mind, rather than some sort of mythical status that can be reliably gauged by an external observer.
A prisoner is simply a combatant who is either unable or unwilling to continue being a dangerous man.
Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at January 02, 2005 04:18 PM (hIdkY)
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BRD I disagree with you. Prisoners are dangerous. Recall May 03 some Iraqui prisoners killed a few American soldiers who were guarding them. Also ask any Marine what he is to do if taken prisoner. POWs are just enemies you have as much control over as you have the guts to use. Prisoners can be very dangerous and to assume anything else may result in not being able to be the pain in the ass 40 years later that I am.
Rod Stanton
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 03, 2005 12:38 PM (tHUgl)
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Hey Rod: You guys took prisoners? I always figured, they didn't so I didn't.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 03, 2005 08:33 PM (XioYD)
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Yea we took several. I got a meritorious mast for one; turned out to be a Red Chines Captn FO that was diagraming our Batn base campl for their rockets.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 04, 2005 06:56 AM (tHUgl)
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Rod,
I have to apologize for being a bit unclear, although the points you bring up have given me some ideas on another way to tackle the point I am trying to make. It's relatively simple, being a prisoner is a state of mind, not a status or condition. Just because you have some guy in a POW camp doesn't make him non-dangerous, or for the purposes of the terms I was attempting to use here, an actual genuine prisoner.
Conversely, the shell-shocked and battered Iraqis who crawled out of trenches in Gulf I to surrender to news crews, helicopters, and unmanned drones were, at least as far as this post goes, prisoners, even if they hadn't been taken into custody. They had the shift of mind which turned them from dangerous men into non-dangerous men.
I appreciate your insights and comments. It's constructive, critical feedback like yours that makes it all worth while.
Cheers,
BRD
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Anytime. Besides what is the point of being an opinionated ex Jarehead if you can't mouth off? BTW I do not expect everyone to agree with me. That is what makes America great to me.
Rod
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 04, 2005 12:41 PM (tHUgl)
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Yea, Yea he's got a point. But were the aforementioned really soldiers or just cannon fodder who didn't wish to be involved to begin with? I think the latter. The desert was covered with like new weapons. Never been fired and only dropped once.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 04, 2005 03:51 PM (xRptl)
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My take on the Marine in Fallujah. The enemy was a combatant. The enemy wasn't in uniform. He didn't follow the rules of war. Therefore He is not protected by the rules of war. Tough shit. No quarter given, no quarter should be expected.
Combatants out of uniform should be executed same as in all previous wars. They should reap what they sow. They intended to kill coalition forces. That's why they were in Fallujah. To kill. The marine is a hero. Marines are trained to kill the enemy. That is their purpose. Thats what Marines do. From day one in boot camp you are taught that your job is to kill our countries enemies. He was doing as he was taught.
Now some sissies wish to cry about it. Don't like what he did. Take his place.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 04, 2005 04:11 PM (xRptl)
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As I stated before, a terrorist is a terrorist and a wounded terrorist is a dangerous terrorists. Their orders were to shoot to kill. Leave the guy alone.
Cindy
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Two Beheaded Bodies Found in Baghdad
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IRAQI police found beheaded two bodies in western Baghdad today along with a note that said they were truck drivers killed because they were working with the US military.
It was not yet known whether the two men were Iraqis or foreigners, police said.
"This is the punishment for all those working with the Americans," read the note left with the bodies, which were both inside bags and dumped on the street.
No group has yet to claim credit for this act, however there have been many terrorist groups inside Iraq who have targeted truck drivers and later beheaded them. While the "reasoning" the terrorists gave sounds familiar to that of Al Qaeda in Iraq and Ansar al-Sunnah, it is important to note the many terrorist groups in Iraq have copied tactics, targets and statements from other groups in a sort of copycat fashion.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Seems the terrorists are alive and well. Sorry to say their victims aren't.
Why can't we get all these bastards? And where the hell IS Zarqawi and Osama?
Posted by: Laura at January 01, 2005 10:41 AM (ptOpl)
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They are being supported and hidden by the locals (Sunnis) or they couldn't exist. A good example is the large Bomb they set off in a house, Nobody saw them unloading explosives for a week but somebody called the cops after the fuses were set . . . I say, bring in the Kurds, let them police the Sunni Areas . . Keep the press out . . That shit will come to a screeching halt in about a month!
We cannot do what needs to be done, with our social structure and oversight. This is a way of letting them "settle their differences" without killing all of them. The Kurds will deal with them in a manner the locals understand, and there'll be no "Religious" differences.
If we were to let the Shiites deal with 'em, they'd kill 'em all! Simple as that, and that's what will eventually happen if the Sunnis don't have a voice in the new Government . . Oh, How the Europeans will cry if that happens . . Personally I don't give a shit, as long as it isn't Americans dying in their "Civil War" and right now, We're fighting it for all of the Iraqi's.
Posted by: large at January 01, 2005 11:30 AM (VRK2g)
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It's a da-- shame we did not have two (2) Marine divisions 20 months ago as the Navy said we needed. Thousands have lost their lives due to incompetent leadership. The war is right. Rummy is wrong. And to make matters worse he refuses to make things right.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 01, 2005 03:49 PM (tHUgl)
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Large has a good point on how do the terrorists place tons of explosives in a highly populated area without anyone seeing. Of course many of us know and have repeated talked about the colusion with the local population. Why do we care about these people? When we have problems with these 3rd rate, silly countries we should go over, kick the shit out of them and come home. Kicking the shit out of them and then hugging them is to no avail. They take it as weakness. If they haven't the courage to stand up to religious fanatical killers they deserve them.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 01, 2005 03:55 PM (VsBCt)
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Too bad there aren't any tsunamis in Iraq.
Posted by: Laura at January 01, 2005 06:11 PM (ptOpl)
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Al Qaeda in Iraq Executed Five Iraqi National Guardsmen
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DUBAI (Reuters) - Militants from a group led by al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said they had killed five men and warned those who work with the U.S.-backed government they faced the same fate.
Video footage showed five men in civilian clothes lined up and shot repeatedly in the back. It was posted on the Internet Saturday from the Al Qaeda Organization of Holy War in Iraq.
Five men in civilian clothes were found shot dead in Ramadi, capital of Anbar province, Monday. A note said they were policemen killed by guerrilla fighters.
A masked militant on the video Saturday said: "These apostates are ... allies with (Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad) Allawi's apostate government and support the American enemy. They are attacking Muslim homes in Ramadi under the pretext of preventing terrorists from entering Iraq. Anyone who follows them will face the same fate."
"To the families of civil defense forces, the National Guard and the police we tell you to say your final goodbyes to your sons before you send them to us. Our reward to your sons is slaughter," he added.
Iraqi National Guard and Iraqi policemen have been a favorite target of terrorist groups, however Ansar al-Sunnah has been the primary terrorist group targeting such individuals beforehand while Al Qaeda in Iraq seemed to center on foreigners and innocent Iraqis who were in the market areas.
Three roadside bombs were detonated near Iraqi National Guardsmen killing one and injuring six.
Update:
The video of the execution of five Iraqi National Guardsmen can be downloaded here (courtesy of Ogrish).
Hat tip to Hyscience who found the video link and also has some great commentary.
Cross-posted at In the Bullpen
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Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 01, 2005 01:39 PM (D39Vm)
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I'm confused! Didn't someone request that Venom not reply to so many subjects? Is that a two way street?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 01, 2005 03:30 PM (VsBCt)
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As you have noticed the Greyrooster is back from 4 wonderful days of fishing in beautiful Costa Rica.
First things to hit my mind. (1) Tidal wave hits Somalia. Wasn't Somalia the country who defiled and dragged the bodies of dead Marines though the streets a few years back? We need to send help to these people quick. NOT!!!!!
(2) Indonesia: Worlds most populous muslim nation. I know they pray for us every night. Mixed feelings here. Any celebrations after 9/11?
Racist that I am. I stopped at a local barber shop in South Mississippi on the way home to check up on the local Klan. (a) They still think I'm a spy. Probably, because I'm from San Francisco. Almost as bad as New York. (b) They're understanding people and willing to give me a chance. (c) Black people no longer have to worry about the KKK. The N word was never brought up. From now on the N word is preceded by the word sand. (d) The reason they wear rags on their heads to keep the camel dung out of the facial orifices during sand storms. Always wondered what they were for. Only in south Mississippi could anyone explain why.
Gotta go. We are having a big bomb fire down on the river tonight.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 01, 2005 04:17 PM (VsBCt)
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Too bad a tsunami could have hit Iraq..sigh. Would've taken out several Mid East locations, probably Osama too.
Glad to have you back, Roost. How's your son doing?
Posted by: Laura at January 02, 2005 02:12 PM (ptOpl)
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i will kill all the crusaders
signed al qaeda in england
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