1 How can they claim to have free spesch/debates on blogs, if only left thinking people can comment on leftish blogs and only right thinking people can comment on right wing blogs? What's the point? Talk about preaching to the converted! I deliberately look at & comment on blogs that do not think the same way as me, so I can understand their point of view better & sometimes to try and show why my stance is as it is. I don't expect to "convert" anyone, but do have the right to express my views reasonably, and be treated courteously if/when re-buffed. Surely the professor has to justify his decision to someone if it is questioned/appealed? A difference of opinion (political or otherwise) can not be a reason for giving or witholding qualifications.

2 You ought to get in touch with David Horowitz over at Front Page Magazine (www.frontpagemag.com) He's been leading the acedemic freedom movement to expose left-wing professors within the country's colleges and universities.

3 Trolling and discussion is a vital part of the blogs it appear to me he is not a troll except he does not agree with the blog.

4 The best thing about the coming breakdown of order in the world is that we will have the freedom to hunt down liberals and hang them by the dozens, as we should be able to do now were it not for this pesky law and order that, ironically, the liberals have been trying to destroy for so long. As they say, be careful what you wish for... If they want a total collapse of law and order, well then, let's give it to them.

5 As a former 31 year resident of Iowa I find this disturbing. To think that part of my tax dollars from the age I started working at age 14 until I moved to Oregon in 2002 went to pay this moron professors salary upsets me. I called both the dept. head's office (Prof. Martin was in a meeting) and the UNI President's office (he was out also) but I did speak to a nice lady at the presiden't office and I voiced my displeasure to her about Hettle's behavior. I also gave her the URL of Paul's blog and also the URL to here at Mypetjawa. I also gave her my name and number and told her to call me if she had any other questions. She said she would forward this info to the university's law dept. Hopefully we can get this Hettle idiot punished for his assinine behavior.

6 You mean, of course, give Paul your support... unless you're in academia. I despair.

7 If what Paul Deignan wrote is cause for banning or worse, the harassment from a jerk prof, almost every post I've ever read from anyone should be banned!

1 OOOps Ohio too. Wow I like the no no no no no. In fact I some days wonder if the correct vote on everything everywhere no matter what should be no no no no no. If were to ever run for anything (dog catcher maybe) my pledge would be not to vote for anything because no matter the bill by the time it comes to a vote it's trash, what it's for is not what it really does and carries 50 hitchers. Said bill title is just the issue that carries all the other bullshit through. But how can you be against this or that. Well I'm not it's the rest that needs to go.

2 I wouldn't trust Ken Blackwell with the dogcatcher election, let alone anything important, and yet, replacing him with a commission would likely make matters worse. Corrupt secretaries of state can be gotten rid of. Corrupt bureaucracies stick around a lot longer.

3 I wouldn't trust Ken Blackwell with the dogcatcher election Why?

4 Sounds like they're trying to implement the same problems they're trying to get rid of in California with #4.

5 Personally, Ken Blackwell is one of the few Republicans left in Ohio that I do trust. He's stuck to principles and gone up against both Democrats and Republicans when necessary.

1 http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/11/irs_cracking_do.htm

2 The Australians have by the truck load, that which Europe now lacks: pride and a deep seated belief in the defense of country.....They fit the true definition of "ally" However, I'm still not ready to forgive them for unleashing Air Supply upon an unsuspecting world. Some wounds never heal.

3 Good on ya, mates!

4 Air Supply was a bad deal...but then again so was Hall and Oates. Indonesia will be Australia's frontline. The vermin there are closer than they are to any other western nation...apart from the nations they have already infested.

5 The kangaroo and emu have snagged some rela wild dingos feed them to the gators

6 Foiled! And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids... Ya know, when the 'slamotards and liberals and other assorted scum decide to rise up here, I'm going to carve "Route Irish" in the flesh of every one I get my hands on.

7 Sandpiper: Crocs.

8 The Australians have more balls than the British by a mile... perhaps the British have smoked so many fags that they are what they (eat)smoke!

9 http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?DeptNo=5000&ClassNo=0502

10 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10895.htm

11 ....I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it....

12 Terroists =) What do you have against these peace-loving followers of Mother Earth?

13 Napalm against scum willing to behead innocents and bomb market places? The classics never go out of style. As for complaining about the "Wily Pete", someone's got their priorities seriously messed up. I wouldn't be as concerned about the phosphorous marker as the Maverick missile travelling a few seconds behind it.

14 Queen of England is also the Queen of Australia, Queen of Wales and at least at the moment Queen of Scotland and Northern Ireland, right? So, Australia is a part of Great Britain. Therefore, Aussies are Brits, so Brits have as much balls as Aussies. The wrong way to use standardized logic? Indeed.

15 They have been our allies for over a century. And very good one. I had the good fortune to spend some time in the bush with some Aussie Rangers 37 years ago. Stout fellows. Strong believers is what today we call "Classical Liberalism"; we just called it common sense 37 years ago. an old exJarhead

16 Route Irish: OK dude learn to code a link or something else usefull.

17 Tan me hide when I dead Fred tan me hide when I'm dead. He died and we tanned is hyde and that's it hanging on the shed Or something like that. Grandpa some days tells old war stories. You don't mess with Brits or Aussies in the Phillipines he says they made Americans look like school boys. Japs would surrender and of course prisoners are a problem to take care of. Uh well they were not a problem for the Brits or Aussies they didn't take any and taught us a few lessons and why you don't. They slow you down and use up your food and keep you from fighting. The Americans would take some or use a bullet to the head. The Brits and Aussies said that was a waste of ammo and that is what your bayonette is for yankee.

18 In a guerilla-type war, prisoners are far more useful than in a conventional engagement, because dead men tell no tales, but live ones will sing like a bird when you clip the jumper cables onto their sack.

19 Read this and understand why the muslim scum must be driven from western society. Why do these pigs choose to live amongst us? An Australian Muslim cleric who said Osama bin Laden was a "great man" has been named by police as the spiritual leader of a group of 16 men charged on Tuesday with planning a terrorist attack in Australia. Abdul Nacer Benbrika, also known as Abu Bakr, has long been monitored by Australian authorities and grabbed headlines in August after he praised bin Laden, blamed for the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. He is a self-styled leader of a fundamentalist Islamic group of young followers in the suburbs of Australia's second-biggest city, Melbourne. Some of these followers, local radio reported, attended militant training camps in Asia. "Osama Bin Laden, he is a great man," Benbrika, 45, told Australian Broadcasting Corp. (ABC) radio in August. Following police raids in Sydney and Melbourne on Tuesday, Benbrika was charged with directing the activities of a terrorist organization and remanded in custody until January. Benbrika's passport was confiscated in March on advice from the Australian Security Intelligence Organization, which then raided his Melbourne home in June, ABC radio has reported. But Benbrika, a dual Australian/Algerian citizen who has at least six children and has lived in Melbourne since 1989, denied he was a security threat. "I am not involved in anything here. I am teaching my brothers here the Koran and the Sunna, and I am trying my best to keep myself, my family, my kids and the Muslims close to this religion," he told the ABC, referring to the holy book and the code of conduct for Muslims. Benbrika said he opposed anyone trying to harm his religion. He also said it was a "big problem" for Muslims reconciling their religion with life in Australia. "There are two laws. There is Australian law. There is Islamic law," he said, adding the only law that needed to be spread was Islam. "Jihad is part of my religion, and what you have to understand that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah ... (with) the first drop of blood that comes from him out, all his sin will be forgiven," he said. Other Australian Muslim leaders have said Benbrika represented a minority view, and Prime Minister John Howard did not invite Benbrika to a summit of key Muslim leaders in August.

20 The only time the Aussies didn't serve alongside the Americans in the last hundred years was the Spanish-American war........Nuff said!

21 "Jihad is part of my religion, and what you have to understand that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah ... (with) the first drop of blood that comes from him out, all his sin will be forgiven," How about that? Maybe our Aussie brothers will arrange for the forgiveness of all his sins.

1 I think Route Irish is a modern version of that character that put up posters and bills on any available wall surface (construction sites etc). Today he would be considered a spammer - I hope he makes at least a couple of cents per posting.

2 Route Irish is clearly a spammer though not apparently a commercial one. Either way - spam has no place on anyones blog and should be removed. Here in NY - a moderate Dem (aka lib Republican) vs. a lib Dem for mayor. Here in NY only a lib Dem can make it thru the primaries - if your a conservative or moderate Dem then take a hike or change parties. Bloomberg by 15+ pts either way - Red America! Pray for me on that isolated island fortess we call Staten Island.

3 He's not a very good spammer as he can't code a link.

4 Notice that, eh! Wonder what he gets paid for it.

1 But Muslims don't want to integrate into British society they want their flag over Buckingham Palace and have said so.

2 Britain has never been a muslim nation so these people should either conform or go back to their own miserable nations. Why do they always want their own way and why does anyone in the west even entertain their archiac viewpoints? Let's be as hard on them in our countries as they would be if we tried to dictate terms in theirs.

3 Here's and idea, don't to anything terroristy and these laws won't affect you.

4 Muhammad was gay

5 Ah, but Brassy, therein lies the rub! Only those negatively effected have cause to complain, and oddly enough, it's only the 'splodeydopes complaining. Imagine that...

6 Andy, yer prob'ly right. Like most other arab males, Mohammed's (boiling lard upon him) sexual preferences were probably pretty broad, including pretty much anyone or anything he could wrestle to the ground. We know from islamic teachings that he liked his women young, as in prepubescent, and he probably buggered his fair share of boys on those long, lonely caravan expeditions, which is historically known to have been quite common. The fact that we have let these perverted savages infest our culture just makes me sick. It's time to clean house.

7 Me, I'd kind of like to see these punks bring that crap to the States. Opening Day, it's not just for deer season anymore.

8 "...a sense of growing alienation of Muslims that feels excluded from mainstream society..." Hmmm. Could it be because they refuse to assimilate and hole up in their own, separate communities? You know, so they don't have to rub elbows with the infidel and sully themselves? They're taught NOT to fraternize with us so when they're not included in all the other reindeer games, they say it's "our" fault. And then they have the gall to say, "We want our own separate laws." NoooOOOooo. -------------------------------------- AND WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THAT ADVERTISING IN THE SIDEBAR!!? "Muslim Dating", "Find a Muslim Spouse" and "Muslim Marriage Site". Huh? What's up widdat? And "dontblamemeivotedforkerry.com" WTF? I'd have a nice long talk with Google Ads if I were you.

9 Islamic Human Rights Commission......I challenge anyone to say that with a straight face. "and weakening the desire of Muslims to integrate into Britain's multicutural society"....... "Why yes, I WAS going to get with the program and join every OTHER group of immigrants in this integration thing, buuut I'm not so sure now. I was going to start tomorrow, but I think I'll wait and see if things improve."

10 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174747,00.html

11 It used to be people came into the US to escape the crap of their home nation. Why do they want to come into our country now and make it as crappy as their home nation?

12 Graeme, I tried to say Islamic Human Rightttss Ccccomissssion with a straighttttt fffface, but dammmmnnn iittttt, you'reeee rrrightttt. Hahahahaha! Good one, Graeme.

13 Plague rats neither know nor care that they carry pestilence from place to place, and do not set out with the intention to be vermin; they are what they are, and cannot be otherwise, and so really can't be blamed for being plague rats. That, however, is the sum total of the difference between plague rats and muslims.

14 Massive deportations of all that practice islam is the only answer. That includes the United States.

15 Where is that dear Mrs. Aginoth when we so need to hear a Brit's take on the latest threat from the Islamists. As her automobile is being firebombed, and the perpetuators shout, Allah is great, here is Mrs. A., referring to us Americans: "Dear me, you colonials are nothing more than a race of louts, now where is my tea?"

16 joe, "louts" should most likely read "yobs" and referring to a "spot of tea" to make it ultra British

17 Dave, It's that damn Irish from my mom's family, I tell ya'. We never get it right!

18 It is time to give free food to all Muslims in Britain, and I promise if I am put in charge of the United Kingdom that the very next morning every single Muslim in the UK will be given free Bacon and Eggs for breakfast, and a Ham and Cheese sandwich for lunch. If they do not want it, I will see that they are forced to eat it. Then I will enroll all Muslim children in mandatory farm camps where they will learn how to raise pigs. I believe that these wonderful gestures of welfare and giveaways to the Muslims of Great Britain will be just what they need.

19 How about we shoot them in the streets or slice off their heads and publish the video to the web? Sound familiar? Reciprocity is a great concept...Oh, yeah. Someone find Route Irish and give him a lift to the Middle East so he doesn't have to live amongst us infidels anymore.

1 France Germany Belgium Denmark Sweden Britain Russia America What do these nations have in common? If anyone doesn't know already, I'm not wasting my time explaining it. Lock and load people of the civilized world; war is here, and the barbarian is at the gate.

2 Damn IM I hate it when I have a big old post of blips that were good and then they go off the great electro beyond. I'll try again later. Darn darn darn.

3 I always copy my posts before I clicky the "Post" button, then I laugh wickedly and flip off the computer screen.

4 Quote: "The terrorists are betting we canÂ’t put down the bag of chips and will wishful think our way strait to defeat. We can defeat the terrorists, no problem." We most certainly cannot defeat the terrorists, except by being a greater evil than they are. I think the terrorists have already seen that America is willing and able to blow up whoever and whatever it wants (civilians included) to get to them, and they're counting on it to bolster their ranks and increase their popularity. Both sides of this conflict love to engage in speech-giving, chest-beating and flag-waving. It's a matter of pride. Both sides are driven by pride and false ideals of what they think the world should be like. Both think civilian losses are acceptable to achieve their goal. Both think their goals can be acheived by way of military resistance. Both sides are aversed to combating evil through education. Just for fun toss in the fact that one side also has the unbridled capacity to cause destruction (by way of vastly superior military might). What's so sad in all this is that the so-called "civilized world" has yet to realize that they cannot win, no matter what their military might. Neither side can win. The reality of the matter is that we are all losing. The best course of action to adopt is one of humility. I hear lots of talk of sacrifice from both sides, but who'll be first to sacrifice their pride? There is no easy course of action to take here and every choice will result in loss of life. But, the path with the best chances of success is NOT the path we're pursuing right now. Again, this is a war neither side can win. It can ONLY lead to more devastation. Every battle you think you've won will actually have inspired a new generation of terrorists. And every victory they think they've won will only result in more bombs being chucked their way. Along the way both sides will have grown so accustomed to killing that civlization will be dead, that is, devoid of all humanity. There will be nothing to save. (Some might argue we're already in such a state). For all the Hollywood-inspired speech-giving that Bush can be credited with, for all the talk of peace, justice and freedom, there is really nothing to be left worth preserving. Every innocent life taken is costing us all of humanity. Quote: "because the truth is just so inconvenient." I think this is the very plain truth. Determination to overpower and military might are irrelevant. This war cannot be won. It may at some point even appear to be won, but in reality, the seeds for an even greater conflict will have been sown. The age of victory by war is over.

5 Nice speech. A little excessive on the drama, but...

6 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

7 Route Irish, http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1350838/i/kissmyass_0001.jpg

8 Go away Route Irish...your links are boring and so are you.

9 Every innocent life taken is costing us all of humanity. After that speech, I only have one question: Imp: when is the day you talk about going to arrive? I find myself daydreaming about it daily.

10 Of all the appeasement bullshit I have ever seen or heard, the piece by Mirza, obviously a Muslim and a fifth columnist, takes the cake. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit! Please excuse the language, but nothing else seemed appropriate.

11 I want mirza and all other adherents of the pedophle mohammed, (scalding bacon grease upon him), to know this: The day will come when the civilized men of the world will stop being civilized. There is coming a Reckoning, and the toll shall be heavy. If any of you survive on our soil, it will be a miracle.

12 Sohail Mirza: Are you fucking nuts? Or just another raghead. Which is the same as being fucking nuts. Do you goat buggerers actually believe we will lose this war before ridding the world of the muslim menance? Muslim assholes are getting closer to their 72 virgins and one camel (their preferred lovers) everyday. Someday, and I hope soon civilization will realize where muslim terrorists come from. I already know. FROM OTHER MUSLIMS. So the solution should be obvious.

13 Is anyone in France armed with a firearm, including the police, and if armed, why are they afraid to use them? Does anyone out there from France or anywhere else have an answer to this question?

14 The only experience the French have with firearms is when they saw Germans and Americans using them for purposes indecipherable to the French; i.e., fighting.

15 http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?DeptNo=5000&ClassNo=0502

16 It's obvious no rational discussion can be had here. Expecting to find reason and rationality, I instead find blind hatred and lack of understanding. I should have expected that racism would be a popular tool for the illiterate. Far be it for me to expect the "civilized" netizens to rise above the same language and hatred spewed by their opponents. jesusland: I don't know what a "fifth columnist" is, but I'm not a journalist of any sort. greyrooster: I'm not saying the western nations will lose the war. Did you actually read what I wrote? Everyone loses. Both sides are utterly obstinate in the face of the rational conclusion that this conflict is not resolvable by means of war. I.e. the war will continue to escalate, spurred on by racism, hatred, mostly fear, and will inevitably end in a major disaster that will affect the entire globe.... err, that means you as well. Do you know what an end-game scenario is? Well that's what the current global climate is playing out to as long as this war is being fed unendingly by both parties involved. By the way, what's a raghead? A rag is something you blow your nose into or some such. I believe you're referring to a turban, which is a piece of cloth used to cover the head out of respect. You'll take care to note that across time in all major civilizations, the covering of the head has been considered a privilege, a right, or an honour, depending on where one is. The Native chieftans wear headresses. The kings of old wore crowns. Well culturally, some Muslims cover their heads because we believe that privilege of respect has been extended to all men and women, not just leaders of tribes or nations. You should take care to note that not even 50-60 yrs ago in North America, you wouldn't catch a self-respecting man on the street without a hat (i.e. a head-covering). If the principle has existed in such a variety of societies and across such a span of time, why single out one nation, one culture for covering the head? Improbulus: Please take your rose-coloured glasses off. The men you take to be "civilized men" are no better than the extremists of today. They have committed their share of crimes, and perpetuated their share of injustice... perhaps more than any other civilization in the history of the world. They simply have created a legal infrastructure that allows them to carry on with impunity, and bred a populace so fat from its own prosperity and so proud of its own accomplishment that it fails to notice. They misuse the moniker of "civilization". No nation before this western civilization has had the capacity and wealth to either save or destroy all of humanity, and here you are, egging us on to destroy it. Bravo. We shall see what this civilized nation will do. Civilized nation indeed... and what you refer to as "our soil", that wouldn't be the soil you took from the people that inhabited it before you, would it? That wouldn't be the same soil where a nation was built upon the backs of slaves, would it? The same soil upon which now stands a country that is open and free enough to allow me to stay here? You should not have the gaul to be surprised if I am still here... instead you should be surprised you have not had everyone on this soil blown to kingdom come by now by way of your ignorance, arrogance, and sheer lunacy. You want to prove your civility? There's plenty of opportunity to do so! Go into a continent like Africa and do your best. It seems to be wonderously simple for this "coalition" to deploy 200,000 troops into a country like Iraq where you can claim you've done it all for the good of the people. If you want to prove your civility, then go forth and deploy 200,000 educators, scientists, engineers and labourers into Africa. See if for once you can build a continent instead of destroy it. Go, teach them and aid them in building hospitals, schools, roads, infrastructure, and such. Only if we do that can we dare call ourselves civilized. We're awesome at serving ourselves, but what about others? THAT would be the mark of civility. You call us servants of a paedophile? You cannot tarnish the history of that Prophet, or of Islam, or of that part of the world, just as you cannot tarnish the accomplishments of Western civilization with your barbarity. The very numbers you use in your day to day life are referred to as "Arabic" numerals... they were given to the Europeans by the Arabs. While Europe was in the dark ages, the Muslim world was progressing in all fields of study, from philosophy to biology to mathematics, to astronomy. While the Europeans were busy trying to manage their own floundering fiefdoms, ridden with the very same ignorance and arrogance you perpetuate today, the Muslims were advancing the world and civilization as a whole. They were the ones studying the works of the Greeks and the Romans, the knowledge that the Europeans inherited. Is that the legacy of a paedophile? It was Islam that brought peace and unity to the warring tribes of Arabia and turned it into an intellectual, academic, and economic powerhouse. Islam did this by uniting people, and encouraging them to help each other. Those are the hallmarks of any great civilization. Why don't you cite this portion of history, when you you're so quick to think you know the personal details of the man who sparked this movement? You know nothing other than how to repeat the same accusations that Orientalists have been making against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for ages. The same baseless accusations. My religion teaches me to respect yours and to respect all men of God. Does yours teach you to hate me? Is that the mark of civility? If that Reckoning you speak of should befall us, it will befall ALL of us (all of humanity), and only by the hands of someone that thinks like you. While you'll be busy wishing death and destruction upon a portion of humanity, I and others like me will be helping all men, all people. History will remember us as the civilized ones, not you.

17 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10354108

18 You long winded piece of pig shit, all through history you have been nothing but sand snakes. When the oil's gone it's back to hearding goats and camels.

19 Those retards are so dead... Started rioting in Germany. Man, they're all gonna die. And if somehow the Muslims start rioting in Finland, suddenly all the rioters everywhere start disappearing.

20 ...and I'm not kidding. SuPo is very, very, very good at that.

21 "My religion teaches me to respect yours and to respect all men of GoD"-So says mirza. Then you need to convince the jihadists who have taken over your religion and declared war on the civilized world to stop. If the 'moderate' Muslims, and I'm not sure they exist, do not rid Islam of the extremists, then you have yourselves to blame for the hate being directed against you. When a religion tells its followers to kill anyone who doesn't believe in it, then how do you expect people about to be killed in the most violent of means(throat cut or beheaded)to feel? This seems barbaric to me, and I will resist it with every fiber of my soul. The ball is in your court, mirza.

22 Ajatollahs are almost as bad as medieval Popes. The only thing missing is a "cleansing of the faith" against protestant, non-conservative Muslims.

23 Pig: Sorry to be so long-winded. I'll try to make my replies shorter. It's a vice of mine. However, you stand on nothing but conjecture. Don't hate me because you have nothing substantial to challenge me with. Instead, why not make it a goal to seek truth? Or if you're bent on sticking to your attitude of arrogance, then put your money where your mouth is. Stop using the Arab numeric system, forsake all the knowledge and science you got from them. Will you go back to herding cow then? Do you prefer pride to humility? Of course, far be it for you to have learnt anything from a lowly Arab, right? How dare I suggest such a thing? You can deny history all you want, but you just make yourself seem ridiculously absurd. Every great civilization has accomplishments and made its mark on humanity, including the Muslim civilization. I agree on one point though, the Arabs are currently far too dependent on oil. They've essentially squandered their legacy of knowledge and intellectual pursuit, and have relied entirely on the wealth from one source. Unless they refocus their wealth on building infrastructure and on education, they'll really be in for it once the oil wells have gone dry. Anyways, I don't know why my comments have caused such furor here. If you have a better line of reasoning, then calmly present it and I'll listen. If you can imagine a scenario where we militarily beat the terrorists without becoming animals ourselves, I'd love to hear it. I guarantee though, I can come up with a more plausible scenario that leads to our mutual destruction. When you discuss though, try to be realistic. Every great civilization prior to this one ended. What makes us so sure this one is any different under the circumstances? It shows all same traits of decadence, ignorance, and arrogance that were contributing factors in the fall of the last great empire (the Romans). What makes us better? jesusland: Thanks for the coherent response! I largely agree, that the ball is in our court. What needs to be understood is that the only effective weapon against extremism is knowledge. Bombing and killing terrorists and the societies that harbour them will only produce more terrorists. There's simply no two ways about it. Thus, the only effective weapon is knowledge. Knowledge can be spread by educating people... the thing is, it takes longer than simply going in and trying to kill the terrorists. It doesn't look as good, politically, and is impossible to achieve in the 8 years alloted to any American president. In the long term, this is the only solution. When you educate a people, treat them like equals, help them to prosper, that's when we really win. That's what keeps extremism out of the hearts of those people. Remember, you cannot force democracy, nor can you force a way of life on anyone. You can only educate them. This is the goal and mission of my religious community (http://www.alislam.org/). What needs to be understood is that the religion of Islam in no way directs people to kill non-Muslims. Historically, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together for centuries in the Islamic empire. In some cases they even shared the same house of worship. It's very clearly stated in the Quran that "there is no compulsion in matters of faith" (Chapter 2, verse 257). So it's quite incorrect to think that the religion preaches hatred or violence in any way. The view of Islam is that God has established the difference between what is right and what is wrong, whether one accepts or rejects that is up to them. You and I have been granted total freedom of conscience and faith, and no one can take that from us. Instead of this just ideology though, what is happening right now around the globe is that extremism and ignorance have gotten a foothold in some societies. Uneducated, illiterate, or simply power-hungry peoples have been given an extremely violent and illogical (not to mention, factually incorrect) interpretation of Islam. They would use anything to advance their own purposes, Islam is just convenient for them. Of course, when you conveniently leave out the parts of the Quran that talk about only fighting defensively, you are obviously willing to twist the philosophy to say whatever it is you want it to. If you want to read about the peaceful message of Islam, there's a good article here: http://www.alislam.org/islam/islam-peaceful-religion.pdf (be careful, it's a PDF!) Again, the extremist attitude simply cannot be combated by way of military power. The only way to root out this ignorance is through education and patience. This is true willpower. We have to have the will to do things the right way, whether it costs us our lives or not. It will no doubt take time and money, and we may not profit, except by measure of human life and civility. We will need to change our goals and perceptions. Pursuing this course of action will require us to sacrifice our own comfort at times. My only hope is that we aren't driven by insecurity and fear of death to commit the same atrocities against others and unwittingly give more people reason to adopt an extremist way of life. What we will inevitably be held to is our own belief and our own actions. If the terrorists keep pushing us, how far will we go? Are we afraid to die while pursuing a more correct, a more just course of action? Will we return every injustice of theirs with an injustice of our own? That's a no win situation, and that's what I'm trying to make clear here. Btw, I applaud your resistance and opposition to the barbaric injustices of the beheadings and such. I too resist it with every fibre of my soul. I would not hesitate to lay down my life in combat if I thought it would help to achieve a peaceful end, but instead I believe my life, wealth, and time are better spent in securing a more long-term solution, one that involves educating and englightening. Crucial to all this is that we not lose our own humanity, and not lose ourselves to anger and fear. Pig: sorry to be long winded again

24 I'd like to read that, but since either the text or the background are always bright white, so my eyes go sore if I read that much at once... Could you please summarize and post the long story short?

25 The paragrah that starts with"Instead of this just ideology though, what is happening right now around the globe..." is what we fight. You cannot reason with these people. They cannot be educated to accept the concept of all people "just getting along". What would you have us do? Sit back, get picked off and slaughtered one by one as we try to teach their children? You're being unrealistic. It all sounds like pretty flowers and chocolate rivers to preach peace and love, but someone has to fight them on the only terms they'll accept. Do you really think any of us WANTS war just for the sake of war?

26 Mirza, I fully agree with what you say in the sense that this is what the Koran should say. But, alas, it does not. There are Sura after Sura that demand that the others be killed, taxed, or converted. The infidel is to be killed and you are to plunder his wealth. Sorry, I didn't make that up. I am of the opinion that Islam will not be compatible with the modern world until it is remade. Perhaps you are the one to do just that. I pray so, because I do feel this has to stop somewhere. Please don't take everyone too serious here, it is a place to come and blow off steam and get rid of frustrations.

27 Finn: The short of it is that I think waging this war is untenable, inequitable and will ultimately not produce peace. The Muslim world is rife with ignorance and barbarity, and it is a challenge upon us that we should approach this problem with humanity and rationality. Oyster: They most certainly can be educated. It's in our best interests and is the only viable solution. It's the only way to breed long term peace. Alternately we can remain naive and believe that our will is greater than theirs and we can be warring for decades upon decades. If we choose to take a more peaceful approach, no doubt we'll lose some lives along the way, but that, by any measure, is what a true martyr is. Unfortunately, it is sometimes the cost of pursuing the most humane, just and rational course of action. For example, sending 100 troops on the ground to sweep a hostile location with concern for civilian life is more just than bombing indisciminately. It's certain more soldiers would be at risk, some may die, but that's a cost we should accept for the preservation of innocent life. That's what it means to say that the life of someone else is equal to my life. Their worth is equal to mine. That's what true sacrifice and willpower are. We should not fear death. We should acknowledge that doing the right thing sometimes costs lives. If I die while we pursue a just course of action, I would consider that a worthwhile trade. It would be sad, we would hope it could be avoided, but in the end life is worth nothing unless it's lived for the right reasons. Mind you, I'm a regular guy! I pay my taxes, go to work, take out the garbage, et al, it's just that I'm willing to die to do the right thing. I think as a society we need to free ourselves of our fear of death. War is simply our reaction when we are too afraid to do the right thing. I'm not saying we should throw away our lives, or that we should let ourselves get picked off one by one, but if we really are concerned with acheiving long term peace, then we need to accept that there will be some sacrifice. Right now we're fighting a war neither side can win. Both believe the other side is weak and will give up, and in reality, neither will. That leaves only one choice... pull out/ramp down and pursue an alternate solution. jesusland: There is no need to remake Islam as the Holy Quran is quite nicely preserved. The killing, taxing, and converting... these are popular accusations, but either misunderstood or simply false. For example, on killing: [2:191] And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors. [2:192] And slay these transgressors wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than slaying. And fight them not in and near the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them. Such is the requital for the disbelievers. The view on killing is quite clearly laid out. Fight only when you are fought against, but don't exceed the bounds laid out. Drive them out from where your oppressors have driven you out. Fighting is allowed anywhere except near the Sacred Mosque, unless they engage you there first. [60:9] Allah forbids you not, respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that you be kind to them and act equitably towards them; surely Allah loves those who are equitable. Except for those who fight against you and who have driven you out from your homes, we are encouraged to be kind and equitable to all people. Here's the verse in particular that I believe you were referring to: [9:29] Fight those from among the people of the Book, who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering it a favor and acknowledge their subjection. That seems pretty heavy, until you understand it in the correct context. The Quran, like any other religious text, is a book for people of understanding who will reflect upon its wisdom. If you lack wisdom, as most Muslim societies around the world do today, you end up misinterpreting the rules laid out. This verse was revealed at a time when Muslims and non-Muslims were still at war. The Muslims still permitted the non-Muslims to stay within their territory, but they had to pay a tax and "acknowledge their subjection", meaning they had to accept that where they lived was governed by Muslims and they were not allowed to cause disorder. To put it into perspective, the tax levied on Muslims (called 'Zakat') was actually heavier, and the Muslims were obligated to military service, from which non-Muslims were exempt. To contrast... today we pay taxes and receive benefits. We get infrastructure, security, and all the privileges we are due. Those non-Muslims got the same thing. They were taxed to enjoy the same benefits of security and infrastructure as the Muslims, but at a lower rate than the Muslims themselves. They had to accept that they were living under a Muslim government and pay their dues. I hope you can see that your statements clearly misrepresent Islam. Islam does not need to be "remade", rather it needs to be implemented. These teachings are founded in wisdom and served early Islamic society for centuries. They still serve today when they are implemented correctly, and I openly use my religious community as an example. We hold hard and fast to these teachings, and we now number almost 200 million. That's 200 million people who understand that war cannot bring about peace anymore, but instead want to serve mankind. We do just that throughout impoverished Africa, India, Pakistan, USA and just about everywhere else. We are Muslim and we are most certainly a part of the modern world. We are Nobel laureates, diplomats, doctors, engineers, judges, lawyers, humanitarians, homemakers, etc. See, it's not about pretty flowers and chocolate rivers, it's not a fantasy... changing the world peacefully is entirely possible, and is in fact incumbent upon us. It's the only road to lasting peace and prosperity anymore. I stand by my original claim, war will not resolve this current conflict.

28 Can anyone summarize what Sohail Mirza is saying for me. I'm not about to scroll thru someone's thesis unless I get paid for it.

29 jesusland: One more quote, in case it isn't evident that Islam encourages peace. [8:62] And if they incline towards peace, incline thou also towards it, and put thy trust in Allah. Surely, it is He Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. When at war, if your opponent ends hostilities or offers a ceasefire, you are mandated to accept it. This verse highlights that war in Islam is only allowed defensively. I hope this also illuminates the true nature of Islam for you.

30 As I said, I don't doubt your sincerity, or your interpretation of the Koran, but it is how the extremists interpret the Koran that is the problem. The Salafist interpretation, now prevalent in mosques around the world, uses the same Suras that you quote and comes to an entirely different conclusion. I can tell you are an educated man, Mirza, and I can see you have a grave concern for what is happening, so that is why I hope you will turn your energies to convincing the radical among the faithful of Islam. That would indeed take a miracle from God.

31 Sahail gives me hope that his interpretation may win out.

32 Mirza: There is an intelligent, more truthful reply to very piece of bullshit you write. But who the hell wants to spend that much time with a raghead. While you proclaim the greatness of the gutter religion, Islam the fact that all you creeps either leave or wish to leave the stinking muslim countries is prove enough for me. Yea, Sure. You left your shithole because it was a better place.

33 I just want to say that Sohail's the man....any of you guys wanna piece of him...means you wanna a piece of me....capisce??

34 And I'm christian too ....Blam!!

35 greyrooster: I'd be very happy to hear your intelligent, more truthful reply. I'm sorry you don't like "ragheads", but that's more your problem than mine. Now, if I'm not Arab, does that still make me a raghead? What if my head-covering is made of shaped wool instead of a simple cotton cloth? Is that better or worse? If I wear a fedora, does that still make me a raghead? Curious... But it is true, many people from all over the world want to come to the West for greater opportunities in business, education, etc. There are certainly greater opportunities for those in this part of the world. Now, that's not the reason I'm here. I was actually born in this hemisphere. In fact, I'd actually be more out of place in an eastern country than here. Of course there's also the fact that religious intolerance drove most members of my religious denomination out of our homelands. The tolerance one finds in North America is probably unmatched the world over. So actually, greyrooster, you're more like the Saudis than I am! Many of them are as racist towards non-Arabs as you are towards me! Ironic, eh? jesusland and Howie: I have the greatest faith in my interpretation of Islam, and it empowers me to help change the world in what small way I can. I believe it is founded in truth and rationality, unlike that Salafist interpretation. That interpretation, because it is false, will fade away into obsolecense when countered with intelligence, rationale, and educated masses. If countered with war, it will become a cause championed by uneducated and ignorant masses everywhere. Believe me, we really are trying to root out the extremist element from the Islamic world. Likewise I hope the extremist element in America can also be rooted out before both sides send all of civilization head-first into a world war. I am of the opinion that the terrorists and warhawks may be escalating us to nuclear war, but I hope that will not really come to pass. If it does, then not only do we all lose, but we all lose in the worst possible way. Peace is not an 8 year goal for one president. It has to be built upon a fundamental shift in social thought, one that drives civilization to no longer fear doing the right thing. It means having the will to give up wealth, comfort, pride and time to engage ourselves in actively building a better future. It is not a job for one military, one demographic, or one people. It will require unity, patience, resolve, and decades of effort. This is why I feel obligated to engage in discourse regarding alternate, more peaceful solutions. Thanks to both of you for maintaining a positive attitude towards this discussion. Luvmaster: rofl! Oh man, you met my laughter quota for the rest of the month! Thanks!

36 Lost Verses of the Koran Surah 115: The Pig Bismillah: The hurried flight of the Hegira had led the Muslims to a fertile oasis, where they were at last safe from their many enemies in Mecca. Pausing, each thanked Allah the moon-god for their good fortune. Assembling at a long table, they enjoyed rare delicacies brought by bare-breasted sirens whose faces were veiled. During the feast Muhammad sternly forbade his disciples to partake of pig flesh, while fondling the youthful breasts of a Nubian girl named Sheba. Obeying the Prophet, the pilgrims partook of the succulent flesh of jackals and vultures, washing their food down with strong wine. “I never dreamed I’d have to eat the loins of a jackal, let alone the bitter entrails of a cursed vulture,” observed a hungry pilgrim named Ahmed to a fellow Muslim, choking on the unpalatable morsels. “Neither did I, but the Holy Prophet has ordered it,” grumbled another starving follower, almost heaving as he consumed greasy vulture flesh. “A rancid pork chop would taste a hell of a lot better than this crap does,” retorted Ahmed. “It’s an acquired taste brother, you’ll get used to it,” spoke up another, smiling with a mouthful of rotten teeth. “I don’t think so,” said Ahmed, forcing down a burned jackal testicle. An uncaring Muhammad, famished, greedily wolfed down roasted jackal in enjoyment, quaffing from an earthenware wine carafe on occasion, while choosing which of the sirens that would soon endure his favors. The meal finished in the late afternoon, a drunken, lustful Muhammad initiated a sex orgy with the sirens, the debauched Holy Prophet, Allah speaking through him, declaring all earlier betrothals or marriages of the women he knew null and void. The Muslims celebrated their good fortune, again thanking Allah for the bounty they had been blessed to receive. Later, as Muhammad sat half-naked under a palm tree, masturbating to the thought of molesting little girls, Ahmed chanced by and remarked, "Oh great prophet, why does Allah say that we cannot dine on delicious porcine flesh?" "Why?" asked Muhammad, closing his filthy, tattered, moth-eaten robe, "Because Allah's younger retarded cyclops brother is a pig, and Allah doesn't want us killing his holy kinfolk." "Allah is a pig?" asked Ahmed, staring at Muhammad. "Of course," replied the deranged Prophet, hallucinating thanks to ingesting strong hashish minutes earlier. "That's ridiculous, why in hell do we worship pigs?" asked Ahmed, thinking his flight from Mecca may have been the result of heeding the words of a false prophet, possessed of a capricious desert demon who delighted in seeing them consume the flesh of vermin. "Because they're better than we are," answered a smiling Muhammad, now fantasizing about raping little boys, "Look at me, I'm little more than a lecherous child molester, thief and murderer!" "True, but pigs can't even talk!" exclaimed Ahmed, digging a heel into the sand. "Allah can, he speaks to me in my dreams," retorted the wildly hallucinating Muhammad, barely able to focus on Ahmed, seeing him in double vision. "You're a madman," declared a disgusted Ahmed, "I'm heading back to join the infidels in Mecca!" "Who cares?" retorted Muhammad, slurring his words and breaking into riotous laughter. Prophet Muhammad, opening his robe and again reaching for his flaccid sex organ, was too occupied with masturbating his building erection to reply further, while Ahmed disappeared behind a sand dune. "What a stupid, perverted, licentious bastard," spat Ahmed, walking off, "Muhammad is crazier than a shithouse rat!" Surah 116: The Pervert Bismillah: And it came to pass that Muhammad was growing ever hornier and more depraved: In a dream it was revealed by Allah that he was to molest a young girl named Ayesha. Drunk on strong wine, the Prophet looked to a follower named Khalil and announced, “Allah has said I am to have sex on this day with a child; the virgin daughter of my brother in law Abu.” “What?” asked a frowning Khalil, holding a wine bottle, taken back by the remark and turning to Muhammad. “I am to know Abu’s daughter Ayesha,” declared Muhammad, a finger in the air, becoming visibly aroused at the thought having sex with her. “She is but a little girl who plays with dolls; her womb does not yet weep, are you insane?” asked Khalil, knowing in his heart that the Prophet was little more than a pervert, thief, liar and murderer. “Probably, but it is the will of Allah”, Muhammad said to himself, staggering off to the hovel of Ayesha. “What a twisted devil the Prophet is – the will of Allah my ass, he’s just an evil, depraved monster who lusts after the flesh,” Khalil mumbled, putting the bottle to his parched lips. An oblivious and uncaring Muhammad blundered down the street, weaving as he went, arriving at the hovel shortly thereafter. Knocking on the door, Ayesha’s mother Umm appeared. “What do you want Prophet?” she asked, staring at the debauched Muhammad, clad in a filthy tan robe covered in dust and wine stains, a lone flea crawling upon his moustache near his nostrils. “Bismillah, I am here to take your daughter Ayesha in bed,” the Prophet answered, slurring his words. “You licentious beast!” exclaimed the girl’s mother, “She is only six years old, if it is indeed the will of Allah, take me instead to satisfy your wanton depravity!” “Taking you is not the will of Allah,” retorted Muhammad, the scent of wine heavy on his foul breath, “You are a wrinkled and faded flower without comeliness; be gone with your favors; I could never get a hard on at the likes of you.” Enraged by her rebuff, Muhammad smote her upon the face with a backhand. “That’s what one gets for disobeying the will of Allah,” declared Muhammad, his words punctuated by a loud belch, “Take me to Ayesha, that I may know her on this day!” Obeying, Umm reluctantly led Muhammad to the room of Ayesha, opening the door. “This perverted Prophet here wants to screw you,” announced Umm with a frown, Muhammad ogling the virgin child in double vision. “But you knew my cousin Abdullah, younger brother of Ahmed not an hour ago,” replied a shocked Ayesha, dropping her doll, revolted by the sight of the filthy, lascivious pedophile Muhammad. “Be that as it may, Allah has said I will also know you,” said Muhammad with an expectant smile, the gleam of lust in his eyes. “Why me?” asked Ayesha, looking to the Prophet with trepidation. “Because Allah has said it and I am horny, let us lay down, that I may know you,” ordered Muhammad as he removed his robe, Ayesha’s mother shaking her head in helpless disgust and closing the door. Surah 117: The Murderer Bismillah: Muhammad and his followers enjoyed many days away from Mecca at the oasis, home of his oafish brother in law, Abu Bakr, who was also Muslim. Dining on roast jackal, vultures and snakes, their strength was renewed by the bounty Allah the moon-god provided: plentiful food for their bellies and plentiful sirens for their carnal pleasure. Khalil was upset that the Prophet was an evil lecherous pedophile who had known a little girl, so he went to the home of Ayesha to speak with her father, Abu the oaf. He made his way to the hovel, and knocked on the door. Ayesha’s mother opened the door, frowning as she beheld another of Prophet Muhammad’s followers. “Is life not bad enough, what are you here for, to rape my daughter, me, or one of my sons?” she inquired with disdain. “Indeed not woman, I must speak with your husband, not you,” said Khalil, who as a good Muslim, looked down upon women as little more than objects of pleasure, or dogs to be beaten into submission. “My husband Abu is very drunk,” she related, lowering her gaze in respect. Khalil entering the hovel, the oaf Abu appeared from a side room holding a wine bottle, and slurred, “What do want here, follower of the Prophet?” “I must speak with you regarding your little daughter Ayesha,” answered Khalil. “What about her?” asked Abu, blinking his eyes and trying to focus on the man. “The Prophet came unto her in her room a fortnight ago; do you not know?” asked Khalil. “He has come unto her many times since, she is his wife,” replied the unconcerned oaf. “His wife you say - you permitted it?” asked Khalil, stunned by the revelation. “Of course; he has come unto one of my nephews too, Muhammad is a pederast, it is the will of Allah,” declared a shrugging Abu. “He’s raping our child you drunken bastard!” exclaimed a tearful Umm, looking to Khalil. Abu smote her across the face, admonishing, “Take care woman, speak not ill of Prophet Muhammad, it is the will of Allah. The Prophet first knew Ayesha in a dream, when Gabriel showed her to him, uncovering her body for him to see.” “That’s really sick, she’s only six years old,” observed Khalil. “Better for the great Prophet to know her than one of the infidels,” declared a smiling Abu. “Prophet my ass, Muhammad is a depraved monster possessed of a demon; how could permit such a thing, you are her father!” exclaimed Khalil in utter disgust. “Yes I am, and the Prophet says I will know her too,” confessed Abu, contemplating the odd thought of having sex with his own daughter. Umm burst into tears and sobbed, throwing herself to the floor upon hearing Abu’s repugnant words. A fearful Khalil fled the hovel, not knowing what to think; realizing Muhammad and his brother in law Abu were wicked licentious perverts and vicious rapers of children, possessed of capricious and malevolent demons. Later, Abu spoke with the Prophet while they entered a brothel together. He told him of the strange encounter with Khalil. Khalil’s an idiot, he takes Islam much too seriously,” replied Muhammad, looking to his oafish brother in law. “It is a bad omen Prophet, Khalil woefully disdains your marriage to Ayesha, and disdains that I am to know her too,” declared Abu, even he feeling deep down that such a liaison was distasteful, but knowing it was the unalterable will of Allah, the moon god. “It is the will of Allah for you to know your daughter, did not Lot of Sodom know his daughters in the cave?” asked a slurring Muhammad, quite drunk, leaning against a wall to steady himself. “Yes Prophet, he did,” answered Abu with firm resolve. “Indeed, it was and is Allah’s will,” replied Muhammad, picking a flea from his beard and crushing it between his fingernails, “As for our problem, I will have a dream tonight, and Allah will order me to kill Khalil.” “He will?” asked Abu, putting a hand to his chin in confusion, “But I thought the Perfect, Most Merciful Pig Allah never revealed his intentions until you had a dream.” “No matter oaf, he is making his will known to me by making me drink strong wine on this day,” said a quickly lying Muhammad, holding up a bottle. “Don’t you drink strong wine everyday?” asked Abu. “Not as strong as this stuff,” replied the Prophet with a broad smile, “It has hashish oil in it; let us partake of a pair of this brothel’s women and enjoy wine together.” As Muhammad and Abu descended into more revelry and debauchery, a troubled Khalil approached another of the Prophet’s followers, the one with rotten teeth. Telling him of his woes, he awaited the reply. “Who cares what he does, have vulture and some wine,” said the man, tearing a leg from a roasted, maggot-ridden carcass and offering it to Khalil. “You don’t care that Muhammad is a deranged pervert who has sex with little children?” asked Khalil, taking the leg. “Hell no, I’m only here for the food, I was starving in the alleys of Mecca before I met Muhammad,” replied the rotten toothed man, grabbing more vulture flesh and a wine bottle. “Oh,” answered a defeated Khalil, taking a bite from the leg and reaching for wine. Late evening came, with Khalil and the other followers drunk and passed out in their tent. Muhammad and Abu awoke at the brothel after midnight, rested and refreshed. “What are we to do about Khalil?” asked Abu as they left via a side door, avoiding an encounter with the brothel’s madam, to whom they owed money. “Leave that to me oaf,” answered the Prophet, holding up a hand, “In my dream Allah told me how to deal with him.” Muhammad headed down the street and stealthily entered the tent of his followers, intent on taking Khalil’s life. Abu Bakr followed him through the entrance, looking about for possible witnesses. Holding an oiled leather garrote, the smiling Prophet mercilessly strangled the sleeping Khalil, knowing in his heart that it was the will of Allah. The helpless follower struggled defiantly as a determined Muhammad gritted his teeth and pulled the garrote tighter, crushing Khalil’s windpipe, the Prophet letting out foul gas from his posterior due to the exertion. The struggling ceased; he and Abu then quietly removed the body from the tent and carried it into the desert. “That takes care of that problem,” declared a satisfied Muhammad as he pocketed the garrote, he and Abu making their way to his hovel so he could know his young wife Ayesha again. “When will I know her Prophet?” inquired Abu in the lamplit hovel, looking to his daughter’s room. “Very soon, Allah has said it, go know your wife Umm for now, oaf,” suggested Muhammad with a smile, opening the door to Ayesha’s room. Surah 118: The Liar Bismillah: Time passed, and a strengthened Muhammad and his followers left the fertile oasis. The Prophet was joined by his young wife Ayesha and her father, oaf Abu, who left the remainder of his family stranded at the oasis, his wife Umm dying of grief shortly afterward. Not one of the party dared question the vanishing of Khalil, some fearing that they too would vanish, perhaps due to Allah’s will or worse. Muhammad told his followers that Khalil was an evil infidel, and had fled because he had coveted Ayesha, the child looking to her husband the Prophet, she and her father knowing he was not telling the truth. “That is not true my father, Khalil only came to tell you of the Prophet knowing me,” Ayesha whispered, she and Abu standing only a few cubits from Muhammad. “Take care in what you utter among others child, some things are better kept to oneself,” answered Abu quietly, not half the oaf the Prophet thought he was. The rotten toothed man was listening intently; he had watched from the shadows while a smiling Muhammad strangled Khalil, but wisely kept this knowledge to himself, vowing to flee the group at the earliest opportunity. Abu Bakr, fulfilling the will of Allah, came unto his daughter Ayesha over several evenings in a tent at the beckoning of the Holy Prophet, oddly finding her favors more satisfying than those of his wife. Feeling strange from the experience of knowing his own daughter, a troubled Abu sought wise Muhammad’s advice. “It was the will of Allah,” declared the debauched Muhammad, drunk on strong wine, “Allah has also revealed it is you which will sire her firstborn in her twelfth year; her incestuous bastard child Fatimah.” “I will?” asked Abu, incredulous that he would be siring a child by his own daughter. “Yes,” replied the Prophet, removing his filthy robe, “But first I must satisfy my carnal urges, by indulging in her favors myself.” Prophet Muhammad entered the tent and came unto the young Ayesha, who complained that she was sore from knowing her father three times in one day. Striking her across the face, Muhammad admonished, “Keep your mouth shut wife and be thankful to Allah that only I and your father are knowing you.” “Yes Holy Prophet,” Ayesha replied, closing her eyes and wincing in pain as Muhammad again knew her. Arriving in Medina the following week, the Muslims found friends in this city, delighting in drunken revelry and the favors of veiled, tempting harlots with dark eyes. A lecherous Muhammad, Ayesha and his brother in law Abu took up residence at a fine brothel, the Prophet and the oaf sampling the offerings over many weeks, finding that Medina had the finest of all harlots in the land. Many residents of Medina found that Islam was a faith that appealed to them, Allah’s unalterable will moving the people, they abandoning their staid ways, joining with Prophet Muhammad in idleness, licentious revelry and drunkenness. Abu later visited the Prophet in his tent, informing him of dreadful news that Medina was host to a band of Jews. “Jews you say, the people of the book,” answered Muhammad, “They are bitter enemies of Allah and Islam; we will not suffer such people to live in our midst.” “But there are 40 score or more of them in the city Prophet, do the warriors of Allah have the numbers to defeat them?” asked Abu. “Of course oaf,” declared the evil Muhammad, “We shall wait until the dark of night, prowling by stealth, and then cut their throats as they slumber; Allah has willed it.” Listening in the shadows, the rotten toothed man determined it was time for him to flee. Regardless of the free food, he wanted no part of a group of vicious, skulking cowards who would slaughter people as they slept. Allah’s will was fulfilled on the next night, 40 score Jews meeting their end at the hands of the deranged, murderous pedophile Muhammad and his obedient Muslims. Surah 119: The Thief Bismillah: A fortnight passed, with many of the remaining people of Medina embracing Islam, and others fleeing for their lives, with the exception of a wealthy merchant named Sabri and his family. Sabri vexed the followers with his words that Prophet Muhammad was little more than a drunken liar, murderer, and wanton sexual pervert; a wicked, lascivious monster and pedophile who kept the company of prostitutes, drunks and the slothful. In another dream, the Holy Prophet learned that the vexing merchant had to be silenced, and that he had been chosen by Allah to murder him. Telling Abu of his dream, he and Abu plotted the murder of Sabri the merchant. After enjoying strong wine together, they headed to his home on a dark late evening, let in by a lovely servant girl. Muhammad and the oaf Abu observed the opulence of his residence; Sabri dressed in a fine silk robe with a silk turban, seven rings of gold and silver on his fingers. His wife and the lovely servant girl brought food and a carafe of wine for her husband, they disdainfully looking upon the filthy, debauched Prophet and his henchman Abu. “Why will you not submit to Islam, it is the will of Allah,” declared the evil Muhammad, looking to Sabri, looking for the chance to end his life. “The will of Allah my ass, you Muhammad are a murderous debauched lecher and raper of children. Your loathsome followers feed on the rancid flesh of vermin instead of fine pork roasts, and defile all that they touch,” declared a disgusted Sabri, noting that the Prophet was drunk, dressed in a filthy tattered robe, with his unkempt hair and long beard matted with dirt. “I consume the flesh of vermin too, Great Allah is a Holy, Merciful Pig, it is not halal to dine on the sacred flesh of his younger brothers,” said Muhammad with a finger in the air, Abu nodding in agreement. “No, it is you who are a pig, you deranged cretin possessed of a vile demon,” retorted Sabri, looking upon the Prophet with hatred in his eyes. “Those who do not submit to the will of Allah will suffer dire consequences,” threatened Abu, looking about for anyone who would dare stop them. Observing only two women in the house, he smiled, knowing that the will of Allah was about to be fulfilled. Sabri paused, staring at the Prophet and Abu in contempt, hoping he could in some way persuade them to leave the city, noting that business had fallen off to practically nothing since the arrival of the Muslims. “Look, if I give you money, will you and yours flee Medina and never return?” asked Sabri with folded hands, hoping he could encourage them to leave with a payment of fine gold. “I can’t leave,” declared a smiling Muhammad, “I am serving Great Allah, the Most Merciful Pig.” Sabri, confused for a moment, replied, “But I thought Allah was the moon goddess of Mecca.” “Whatever,” retorted a shrugging, uncaring Muhammad while picking his nose, he knowing that Allah didn’t exist anyway. “You are destroying Medina with your vile harlotry and wicked ways!” exclaimed Sabri. The Prophet laughed, and replied, “Indeed not, Allah is guiding my hand in this and all my actions, providing me and my followers with what we desire: food, fine drink and the company of willing sirens, like your lovely servant girl back there.” “My servant girl is betrothed to a good man in Mecca, you will not speak ill of her, nor will you covet her favors,” declared Sabri, noting Muhammad leering through an open door, ogling the girl and his wife. “I will do as I wish,” retorted the evil Muhammad with another laugh, reaching into his tattered, filthy robe and producing the garrote, “I covet the favors of your servant girl, and will take her to my bed for a concubine on this night. Those such as you will not stop the will of Allah or his Messenger.” Abu rose while the Prophet was speaking and smote Sabri upon the face with a closed fist, knocking the silk turban from his head. Muhammad descended upon him like a viper, pulling the garrote tightly around his throat, strangling him in his chair while his wife and servant girl screamed. “Be silent women, it is the will of Allah!” Muhammad yelled through gritted teeth as he took the life of Sabri. Oaf Abu moved into the room and beat them into submission while a struggling Sabri kicked the wine carafe from the table, it shattering on the floor. Sabri’s life vanquished, Prophet Muhammad exhaled loudly and let the lifeless body tumble to the floor. The trembling women remained silent as Abu returned to the Prophet with them. “Where is your money?” asked a greedy Abu of Sabri’s wife. “A box of gold and silver is in our bedroom,” answered his tearful wife, almost fainting from Abu’s foul breath. “I’ll get it,” volunteered a smiling Muhammad, pulling the garrote from the body, “Get the rings from his fingers oaf.” The Prophet returned with a box of glittering coins, pleased that Allah had provided such bounty for his followers. “I can’t get the last ring off,” complained Abu, having pocketed six others. “Cut off his finger to get it, and take his robe and turban too,” ordered Muhammad, determined not to leave one valuable item in the house. Abu obeyed, reaching for a knife on the table, slicing off the finger and pulling the ring from it. Arriving at the brothel, the Prophet celebrated his good fortune by knowing Sabri’s wife and the servant girl, annulling the widow’s marriage and the girl’s betrothal in the eyes of Allah. Later that evening Abu was given Sabri’s widow for a concubine, as he had grown weary of Ayesha’s favors, also needing an able slave to cook and serve him. Having to beat her before he knew her, Abu thanked Allah and Muhammad for the welcome gift of Sabri’s wife. Surah 120: The Hypocrite Bismillah: More time passed, with some of Muhammad’s followers finding the Prophet’s actions in Medina going against everything he had preached in Mecca, seeing him as Khalil, the rotten toothed man, and the merchant Sabri had seen him: an evil, debauched rapist, pedophile, liar, and murderer. These and other apostate followers were quickly slaughtered as infidels, fulfilling the will of Allah; a smiling Muhammad strangling many of them as they slept. Even Abu began to think that Muhammad’s wanton depravity may have been going too far when he encountered him in a tent knowing several young Jewish boys that had been taken captive. “Prophet, some of the followers are complaining that you are denying them participation in the bounty given us by Allah, and that you are also practicing strange acts that Allah has forbidden to others,” related Abu, frowning at the displeasing thought of Muhammad knowing little boys. “They want some of the gold, right oaf?” asked a drunken Muhammad, dressed in Sabri’s silk robe and turban, seven rings of gold and silver upon his greasy fingers, the fine garb growing filthier with each passing day. “That, and some of them would also like to have some of the girls and boys for concubines,” answered Abu. “They cannot have the little boys, Allah has given them to me for my carnal pleasure,” declared the lascivious Prophet, “As for the little girls, give them to the followers as wives, so that their carnal desires can be sated; it is the will of Allah.” “Others say that you don’t practice what you have preached,” added a fidgeting Abu, hoping not to arouse Muhammad’s maniacal wrath. “I’m only the messenger, Allah’s revelations don’t apply to me,” retorted Muhammad, releasing a tearful Jewish boy from his carnal embrace. “What about me?” asked Abu. “They don’t apply to you either oaf; would you like a lovely little boy for your carnal pleasure?” slurred the depraved sodomite Muhammad, lustfully leering at another boy he had chosen next to debauch. “No, I find not that boys appeal to me,” answered Abu quietly, though he was a lecherous pedophile and incestuous pervert, he had no desire to sodomize little boys. “Suit yourself oaf, more for me to enjoy,” answered the Prophet with a chuckle, undressing another captive boy, returning to his lecherous pederasty as Abu left the tent. The city of Medina had been taken completely by the conquering Muslims, they reveling in their murderous victory over the infidels and Jews. In another dream, it was revealed to Muhammad by Allah that they were to attack and conquer the city of Mecca. They were to subdue it and convert the inhabitants there to Islam, after which the Prophet was to take a pagan shrine called the Kaaba and defile it in the name of Allah. “In Mecca there is glittering plunder, fine gold to steal, and many women to be taken for concubines,” declared the Prophet, “Allah has said to have faith in him and we will not fail; are you with me, warriors for Islam?” The devoted followers answered, shouting in unison: There is no god but Allah the Pig, and Muhammad is his prophet!” “We will need weapons to defeat them,” Abu observed, looking to the Holy Prophet. “Easily done oaf,” replied an unconcerned Muhammad, ordering several henchmen to plunder the city of metal so weapons could be quickly fashioned. Bronze implements were seized from every home; plowshares were heated and beaten into fine scimitars for the devoted followers. As his followers labored over hot forges, Muhammad gave a sermon, declaring that vengeance, blood and death would rain down upon Mecca in the name of Allah. The work completed over several days, a feast was held by the warriors of Islam to further strengthen them for the long journey; the flesh of rats, snakes, vultures and jackals gracing their tables. The hungry Prophet had a willing siren prepare his favorite of all dishes, fat dung beetles boiled in seasoned vulture broth. “We should give Allah our thanks for the bounty he has provided,” declared Muhammad, seated at the head of his table beside Abu, crushing the hard shell of a dung beetle between his filthy brown teeth. All bowed their heads in prayer, thanking Allah for the food he had provided. “Would you like to enjoy a tasty dung beetle oaf?” asked the Prophet, turning to his brother in law, offering one to him. “No thanks,” replied a nauseated Abu, choking down a plateful of greasy rat flesh. Washing the unseemly morsels down with strong wine, Muhammad and his followers filled their bellies with the bitter flesh of vermin and then enjoyed the welcome favors of tempting, veiled harlots with dark eyes. The Muslims, their women and their captives set out for Mecca on the following week, determined to exact Allah’s revenge on the people who dwelt there. “There are many able men in Mecca, much more than we have,” observed Abu, realizing their numbers were wanting when compared to the teeming hordes of infidels occupying Mecca. “Allah will watch over us oaf,” replied Muhammad, a sharp scimitar on his hip, he unsure as to what the outcome would be, but keeping this from the others and preparing for the worst. “There aren’t enough of us Prophet – how will we win?” asked Abu with his arms in the air, looking at their limited numbers, no more than 50 score of able men in the service of Allah. “Great Allah has said it, they in Mecca will embrace Islam or die for resisting his will,” the vengeful Prophet declared as Medina disappeared behind them in the distance. A thoughtful Abu wondered why Allah would wish his followers to attack a fortified city where they were outnumbered, and also as to why Allah would have chosen a debauched murderer and licentious pervert for his Prophet. “Oh well, it is the will of Allah,” agreed a sardonic Abu, much too committed to the deranged Prophet and Islam to back out, checking for the scimitar on his hip. Surah 121: The Coward Bismillah: Returning to the oasis to gather strength before attacking Mecca, Muhammad and his followers again feasted on the bitter flesh of vermin and partook of the favors of eager women, the depraved Prophet coming unto the veiled, bare breasted Nubian harlot Sheba. Oaf Abu learned that his wife Umm had died, Muhammad stating to him over strong wine that it was Allah’s will. A grieving Abu came unto his new wife, the widow of Sabri, and also knew his daughter Ayesha, fulfilling the will of Allah the Pig. The Holy Prophet also lusted for Abu’s bride, demanding that he be permitted to lay with her again. A shrugging Abu handed her over, an angry Muhammad having to beat the stiff-necked infidel woman once again before he knew her. “You evil murderous beast!” she screamed in tears as Muhammad was knowing her, “May the gods of my fathers destroy you and all you have wrought!” “How dare you attempt to curse me or Allah,” grunted the Prophet as he reached orgasm, his fetid breath causing her to heave, “Take care woman, or I will expose you as the sorceress you are, giving you over to be stoned by my devoted followers.” “Better to be dead than to endure your vile attentions again,” Abu’s wife retorted as the Prophet rose from her bed. “Bitch,” Muhammad muttered as he left Abu’s tent, adjusting his filthy silk turban. Leaving the oasis on the third day, the devoted Muslims resumed their journey to Mecca, Abu still troubled about their limited numbers and telling the Holy Prophet of his doubts. “Don’t worry oaf, we will remain behind while the first wave of our brothers besiege and subdue the infidels in Mecca,” Muhammad declared in a low tone of voice, Ayesha looking up to him and frowning. “Do you have a problem with that wife?” asked Muhammad, strangely controlling his compulsion to beat her for daring to disagree with Allah’s unalterable will. Ayesha remained silent and looked to the ground, Abu answering, “I thought we would lead them in battle.” “No, we are to remain behind and observe the followers take the city, it is the will of Allah,” replied Muhammad, he filled with doubts and preferring to watch from afar, as the strong hashish he had eaten in Medina had worn off long ago. Arriving outside the city walls under cover of night, the Muslims prepared for battle in the only way they knew: skulking by stealth and murdering defenseless people while they slept. As a full moon rose, a vanguard of devoted followers scaled the city walls, only to be discovered and cut down by the defenders of Mecca. “Attack in the name of Allah!” shouted Muhammad while retreating to a bluff with Abu, his wives and several trusted followers, the Meccans opening the city gates to meet the glorious warriors of Allah in battle. Seeing the Holy Prophet on the bluff by moonlight, this sight strengthened the attacking Muslims. “The battle is not going very well,” observed Abu as the moon rose higher, watching the Muslim army being wiped out. “Yes, Allah is displeased that our faith was not strong enough,” replied a strangely detached Muhammad, staring from the bluff at the carnage outside the walls of Mecca. “That, or we didn’t have enough men, I told you,” retorted Abu, watching several followers being hacked to death by the defenders. “That is possible oaf,” admitted Muhammad, Abu frowning at the reply. “What do you plan to do to save your followers Prophet?” asked Ayesha. “Nothing, it is Allah’s will,” replied Muhammad with a shrug, still watching the battle. Abu’s frown grew into anger as he watched a smiling Muhammad delight in the butchery of his followers. “You’ve lost at least 30 score since the moon rose, do you intend to stay until we are slaughtered too?” asked Abu’s wife. “How dare you speak to me unless spoken to!” exclaimed the Prophet, preparing to smite her across the face. “My good wife Fahimah makes a wise observation,” declared Abu, using her given name for the first time, grasping Muhammad’s forearm, preventing him from striking the widow. Pulling away from Abu, the Prophet paused and replied, “It’s time for us to leave oaf, we shall retreat to the oasis to pray and fast.” A defeated Muhammad and his trusted followers left the bluff and headed back toward the oasis in the moonlight. Looking over his shoulder, the Prophet feared that vengeful Meccans might pursue them. “Let us make haste,” declared Muhammad, fearing for his life. Several days passed as they retreated from Mecca, the remaining band of Muslims at last pausing for needed rest and making a camp in the desert. The captive Fahimah had grown to respect her new husband Abu, as he had prevented the Holy Prophet from striking her outside the walls of Mecca. Making him a meal of jackal flesh soup, she presented it to him in his tent. “Thank you woman,” Abu replied, taking an earthenware bowl and strong wine, she nodding and leaving him to eat. As Abu was eating, a stir rose in the camp: a lone survivor of the battle having at last caught up to the followers. Putting down his bowl, he left the tent to find the survivor admonishing Muhammad. “You coward,” he gasped, “You left us to die, have you no faith in your visions, or are they only lies coming from your vile mouth?” The Prophet, drunk, answered, “I had a dream after the battle, it was Allah’s will that we were defeated, as it was his will that you survived. We lost because our faith in Allah was not strong enough.” “You lied, telling us of easy plunder and women; there weren’t enough of us to take Mecca, 50 score died outside the gates for nothing!” the man exclaimed. “No matter, have dung beetles and strong wine to renew your strength,” slurred Muhammad, picking fleas from his beard and flinging them into a small fire at his side. The man, much too exhausted to argue further, gratefully took a plate of boiled dung beetles and a bottle of wine, trudging off from the deranged Prophet in disgust. A shocked Abu observed this from the shadows and retreated to his tent. Such knowledge set heavy upon him, he meditating privately on the events. Finishing his meal, he called for his wife Fahimah, she appearing before him. I would hear your words wife on this matter: Muhammad preaches Islam, yet he does not follow the words of Allah.” “He is your Prophet, you have sworn to serve him and Allah, my words are those of an infidel,” she answered respectfully. “Still I would hear them, for there is wisdom in what you utter,” Abu replied. Fahimah, still fearful of her brutal husband, yet bound by her personal honor to obey, told him of her thoughts on the Prophet and his actions. “I care not what god he worships, but this demon in man’s guise is not a prophet of a clean desert god,” she began. Abu looked at her as she continued, “He forces his followers to consume the flesh of vermin, delighting in their disgust. I truly believe him to be so perverted as to rape an infant - he has others carry out his murderous work while he has no courage to fight himself: you should draw a knife across your daughter Ayesha’s throat and my own to save us from the corruption of this man.” Abu, oaf that he was, looked at her silently as she urged him to destroy the demon Prophet Muhammad, her wise words much harder to ignore than the screechings of his deceased wife Umm.

1 Doesn't this prove that terrorism is not inherrant in the muslim religion?

2 Some do follow the doctine you speak of. My hope is that reform will and really must come from the inside. For those that follow the doctrine you speak of we must fight and fight hard. Both by exposing that doctine and by supporting those who oppose it. I did not wake up one day wanting a war. But we are at war so any ally against the wahabbis and terrorists is welcome. Muslim or not. I would hope that Islam will reform and we can all live and build a better tomorrow. So if Muslims take Islam that direction i've no problem with it.

3 No, it doesn't Mrs Clueless, it proves that muslims don't like it when other muslims kill them. Notice that the protest was not about terrorism against the hated West. I hope your apologetics for islam makes you feel better when they cut your throat.

4 Islam will never reform, because reformation is a reaction by civilized people to barbaric practices perpetuated by religion long after the culture that spawned them has passed away. Muslims are savages and until they stop being muslims, they will not stop being savages.

5 IM is right they are not protesting Ken Bigleys treatment. But I'll take any turn against Al-Qaeda I can get. The first step is that they see the barbarism and are rejecting it. Step 1.

6 And i,ll bet they will be ignored by the liberal left-wing mainstream news media

7 I'm sure hope you are wrong IM but I ain;'t holding my breath. Maybe some are or will wise up. I always see these guys on the old threads talking about Christians. You know same old stuff spanish inquisition. I like to point out that was 300 years ago. Who would have thought then what Christians are now. So I have a bit of hope just a smidgen but I'm not going to let that make me feel comfortable or relax just when they hope we will.

8 Improbulus you are a legend.

9 Legend? In my own mind, at the very least! Thanks. By the way, since Howie mentioned the Church, the Vatican has now announced that they accept Darwin's theory of evolution as acceptable and compatible with church doctrine. The implications are astounding, but no matter what else happens, the Baptists are gonna have a fit.

10 Really. What religion says it's okay to kill every last infidel survivor by cutting their heads off and "use" the women after you invade them. But, goodness me - don't cut down any of the date palms. That could really get you serious trouble.

11 I noticed they shout muslims are brothers. Muslims don't kill other muslims. Allright to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddist and such. When have the muslims ever demonstrated when muslims killed others. Forgive me. I was wrong. They do demostrate when other religions are killed. They clap their hands and shout with glee.

12 Almost makes one... violent, doesn't it, "Greyrooster?" Wal-Mart is calling...

13 Morocco is doing stunts like this so it can get into EU. Sure, some don't like the Qaedas and they were assembled in a public place to make sure everyone knows they exist, but I bet there's at least as much Qaeda lovers.

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1 I'm all for an indepth analysis of the pre-war intelligence, as long as it starts with what was so damaging that Sandy Burger had to steal it from the archives and stuff it in his pants? and then let's see what Able Danger identified and whom was responsible for burying it? yeah, let's see some of that "pre-war" intelligence?

2 What I love about this is the Republican response: put together a list of many statements made by administration officials, other elected politicians from both parties, and Clinton administration officials, together with a summary of the intelligence that backed up those statements; then show them to the Senators to decide if they were or were not justified, but with the statements unattributed. So the Senators who have to decide whether the statements were or were not justified do not know if the statements were from a Democrat or a Republican. I love it, truly. In fact, I think that's a tactic that we would benefit from as a society if it were used more frequently.

3 This isn't about finding the truth. Its about finding evidence to impeach George W. Bush. Period.

4 Yes we are acting just as the enemy expects us to. They don't have to win as long as we will climb over ourselves to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They can not win any other way. They know us all too well.

5 Have any of these buffoons read the Butler Report?

6 Not to sound like a nutcase or anything, but in light of the current state of our civilization, with the subject of this post as a perfect example, I'm actually looking forward to the day that liberals, blacks, illegals, and muslims start rioting and burning here in America, because then We, the People, can do what has needed doing for a long time now; thin the herd.

7 "Not to sound like a nutcase or anything,..." I'm sorry, IM. That one tickled me. ;-)

8 Like they say, you're not paranoid if there's really someone out to get you. It look pretty inevitable; I just want to go ahead and get on with it.

1 Go Rusty a weekend well spent.

2 Wow.

3 Have you seen Bush driving around randomly shooting black people? 'Cause he does that, ya know.

4 Don't wish to bust you bubble but. Had some boys from Georgia staying at my farm for the last week and a half. They had to return home. Couldn't find work. They brought their own travel trailer, bobcat with skidlift and track hoe. I hired them to do some work for me. About 50 trees cut up with stumps removed to roadside. All they charged me was $1000.00 and free beer. These guys were real pros. Took them less than a day. The Corps of Engineers in Gulfport Miss told them they couldn't hire them because they were not local. They went Pass Christian and Waveland, Ms but there was no one their to hired them. They also tried Slidell to Covington, La with the same results. Finally they returned to Georgia. If you know anyone who needs good professional help E-mail me and I will give their phone #'s. They have the knowledge and equipment to do what a hundred men with chain saws could do in the same time. Question? Between Hattiesburg, Ms and Picayune, Ms there are at least two hundred trackhoes working in the median of Highway 59. Why is it so important to clean the downed trees not in anyones way when thousands of people still have trees on their houses? Thousand of Mexicans working in New Orleans but good ole boys from Georgia are refused work because they are not locals. 8000 trailers sitting in Purvis, Ms. another 4000 in Kiln, Ms. and people still living in tents. I told the Fema Mgr. that I good get 100 volunteers to deliver trailers for free. Or perhaps Fema good pay for their gas. One thing rednecks have is pickups trucks that pull. Fema mgr. Federal regs forbid it. We could have delivered 5 per day per truck. That's 500 trailers per day that BECHTEL would not be payed for. And now you know the rest of the story. If you were 15 miles from the coast, you weren't far from me. I buried what was left of the house. Couldn't stand to see the wife and kids sifting thru looking for momentos. Can't find a contractor interested in building. They are all getting rich doing demo work. The government pays big bucks for work and big bucks for those that won't work.

5 dr. rusty, yousocool! ;-)

6 Rusty: Thanks for the excellent travelogue and report. I talk to these folks on the phone every day, but what's presented through that receiver may not do justice to the reality (although sometimes it does, involuntarily). Talked recently with the head of the fire department in one of those coastal cities. (I could check my notes, but the "where" doesn't matter that much.) He said that they've all been living in tents fighting mostly housefires, which are up over 250% since last year at this time. I figured the reason might be that all those electrical systems were shorted and compromised by the water, but he said they'd only had one of those kind of electrical fires. Most are arson, from people whose homes are mostly destroyed and they just want to get rid of the stinking hulk that's left. Not sure I can blame them. He also said that they've just gotten a trailer to use for a bunkhouse for the men to live in, but don't yet have any beds. Well, maybe the "where" does matter. He was the Fire Chief of the West [something that looks like "Hach" but I can't make out my scribbling] Fire Department in Pearlington, MS. If anyone wants to donate some bunk beds or something... Again, thanks. Excellent post.

7 Demosophist: Fires are suspected to be caused by many owners who are victimized by insurance companies who insist the the damage to their homes was caused by flood and not hurricane. Insurance companies are claiming that a 30 ft wall of water driven by 150 mph winds is flood damage and not wind driven water. So it is suspected that some burn the remaining 10% of their homes to claim fire insurance. Horrible situation caused by greed. The people who set fires are wrong. But it is understandable. They should wait and use the courts. I'm sure the claims will hold up. But how long does it take to go thru the courts? A 50 year old will be dead before a decision is made.

1 Just you wait the eco-nuts will be blabbering this global warming hogwash just like they did with all the hurricanes

2 Then it started a long time ago. The largest Tornado ever passes right over where I grew up. I know a lady sh'es passed now that lost an arm as a baby whn it hit. Everyone had a storm cellar. Not so much any more but they should I should. Tonado damage looks like a big gieant come stomping through. One hit south of here two years ago. I still remember the one house was just a bunch of insulation in what was left of the trees which were pretty damaged as well. Two miles either side nada nothing but if you are in the path whew. That one went about 20 miles and really left a trail.

3 I live about 50 NW of E'ville. That storm woke me up about midnight. Was an eyelash away from getting the wife and kids up for a move to the basement. It was a very odd storm, not alot of rain but tremendous thunder, lightning and STRONG cross winds. Rare to have that vicious of a storm that late at night.

4 We used to live on the east side of Evansville, just off of Lincoln. Our thoughts and prayers go out to our friends, their families, and to those who are strangers as well.

5 http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe224.html

6 Haven't had the chance to ask this before, but since there's been lots of weather disasters lately: What's this sites collective view about global warming?

7 No serious meterologist without an agenda believes "global warming" has anything to do with it. These weather patterns are cyclicle and we are entering a similar situation as we had in the late 40s and 50s. Pure junk science to assert otherwise.

8 Global warming is caused by the CO2 that constantly spews from A Finn. Finn Tornados can form any time any where if you are in the midwest it's just fact of life and has been for 300 years. Warm air to the South cold to the north and a cold front = maybe. Storms this late in the year are considered to be less dangerous but that's not true. March and Nov are just as bad as high summer due to the clashing of cold and warm during the change of the season. We like out T-storms it's a great thing about the midwest but they can turn ugly when you least expect it.

9 God hates Trailer Parks!!!!!!!!!

10 Yeah, they keep talking about the weather cycle here too, but the once in 50 years weathers have suddenly become annual here. Still no snow, same thing for ten years now. Back when and 5 years after the CCCP was clouding the sky snow came in August, and before that October at latest. Another view is that you're warming the Gulf stream so it warms the air more here, might not be so global.

1 http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/05/11/ana05035.html

2 With all the milblogging going on here, Dr. Rusty should probably be a high-ranking Club. I'll gladly support him! I should be a spade, myself.

3 I'd be happy to be the 'Rules for Draw and Stud P0ker' card.

4 OK, why in Hell, Michigan is 'p-o-k-e-r' questionable content?

1 They should shoot five one night, ten the next -- then see how many keep turning up night after night. Nothing takes the fight out of street Jihadi's than a .40 to the Skull, and now is the time to take back the streets, one Jihadi corpse at a time.

2 And we have Prince Charley coming over here lecturing us about tolerance. What crap!

3 Britain will have the same thing going on there if the French don't get tough with the rioters. Apparently no one in authority knows how to shoot a firearm. The jihadists have fired several shots at the police and set people on fire, but the politically correct authorities don't have the stomach for a fight. A tipping point will be reached soon, either the French will decide to fight or the Muslims will in effect take over France.

4 1. shooting people in the head tends to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it. This has been evidenced by pretty much every terrorist/freedom fighter conflict in history. 2. Prince Charles has nothing to do with France. Actually I rather expect that all the members of the GB Royal family are having a good giggle at the thought of Paris burning 3. This is not a Jihad. It is a riot. These estates were built specifically to house immigrants, and are squalid, poorly maintained, and deliberately ostracised from the rest of French society. Unemployemnet there is near enough 100%. The French Government has deliberately stopped Muslims, or any other religious group, from integrating into the state systems. The UK went through the same thing in the late 70's/early 80's (Brixton, St Pauls riots), the USA did it in the 90's (the LA riots), and France will have to sort themselves out now. To compare this to the "Islamofascism" of Al Quida etc is completely wrong.

5 Three cheers for multi-culturalism!

6 "To compare this to the Islamofascism of al Qaida is wrong." "Riots" are uncoordinated and spontanious by definition I direct Ms. A to this report: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

7 just a riot?: PARIS, Sept 27 (AFP) - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France which it describes as “enemy number one”, intelligence officials said Tuesday. “The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr,” the group’s leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month. “France is our enemy number one, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of our community,” he was quoted as saying. France was mentioned 15 times in the text, and the Algerian government was also targeted, the officials said. http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=25&story_id=24044&name=Algerian+group+calls+France+%E2%80%99enemy+number+one%E2%80%99

8 shooting people in the head tends to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it. Not when applied frequently enough. Eventually, the survivors are more interested in, well, survival than in violence. Frankly, torching a woman in a wheelchair merits the application of deadly force in general, as those who are "merely" attacking property are providing diversions for those who are attacking people. Prince Charles has nothing to do with France. He is, however, planning to lecture the US on how it should be more tolerant of Islam. This is not a Jihad. It is a riot. Tell that to the rioters chanting "Allahu akbar", and their mouth pieces demanding to be allowed to run their communities without interference from the French.

9 Odd thing to say these riots could be a Jihad. France has never been owned by Muslims, except in combat all across Africa and Middle East, so none can call it a struggle for Islam to regain the land from it's barbarian rulers...

10 Burn, baby, burn!

11 >>>so none can call it a struggle for Islam to regain the land from it's barbarian rulers... Finn, jihad is about taking other people's land, not reclaiming their own. That's how the original jihadists got as far as southern France before Charles Martel stopped them, it's how they got as far as Vienna before the Poles stopped them, it's how they conquered most of Spain before Isabella expelled them-- other people's land.

12 Listening to the mainstream media is like reading tea leaves. Hugh Hewitt: Mark Steyn, how do you account for the indifference or ignorance of the mainstream media in America? Mark Steyn: Well, I think this is now basically becoming a willful effort at misleading. It's not just the United States. Other countries, too, are reporting this as their youths, or their French youth. And it isn't until you get thirteen paragraphs into the story, and they're quoting one of these youths, and you realize he's called Mohammed, that it occurs to you that there might be an ethno-cultural religious component to this situation. http://www.radioblogger.com/#001126

13 1. shooting people in the head tends to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it. This has been evidenced by pretty much every terrorist/freedom fighter conflict in history. Actually Military force seemed to do the trick in Louisiana to stop the looting, and mayhem -- unless of course you think those poor looters simply just got tired of stealing goods from retail stores, you must adopt the philosophy of "all they need is a hug" 3. This is not a Jihad. It is a riot. I'll retract my statement when French Catholics start throwing the bricks.

14 JC -- it's how they got Mecca, Medina, and the Middle East, too.

15 Mulsims are like human kudzu; they spread rapidly and aggressively, engulfing and choking out everything in their path, until they have killed off everything and established a homogenous monoculture. One muslim is like one kudzu vine; the tempation is to say: "It's only one vine", then later, whent he infestation has spread, "it's only one small patch", and so it goes until there is nothing but kudzu from horizon to horizon. The sole difference between kudzu and islam is that kudzu doesn't act with malicious intent. Islam is a plague and a pestilence upon the body of humanity, and must be treated as such.

16 "..shooting people in the head seems to inflame the communities into more violence, not quell it." That only takes place when girlymen leaders (like Prince Charles) won't stand up and deal with evil before it becomes a big problem.

17 Admit it - who isn't mischieviouly enjoying the French dilema? By the way, the concept of assimilation in Europe is radially different than the American version (except libs who wish they were European). Its really fasinating - and at the core of their growing problems with most immigrants - especially muslims.

18 I too must cast my vote in support of the use of lethal force. The time for talking, the time for "let's wait and see" has long past. Once control has been established, let the mass deportations begin. The fact that it has lasted this long shows weakness on the part of the French government. Weakness that will be even more exploited in the future. Not just in France, but all across Europe. With regard to the arguement that just because these people aren't white and live in poorly maintained government housing somehow gives them the right to destroy and kill, I say horse s**t! The French didn't stop these immigrants from integrating, these people didn't want to become a part of their new country, all they wanted were jobs and money. Blame should also be placed on the French government for not forcing them to integrate. One can become a functional part of a new culture without sacrificing one's heritage. Also I say double horse s**t to saying that these riots are anything like the L.A. riots. The L.A. riots used race as a poor excuse to commit crime. What's happening in France and Denmark is all about religious and cultural supremacy. These immigrant areas want self rule and there is no way that can be allowed to happen.

19 My dear Mrs. Aginoth, the downturn in our own society recently is due to apologists that want to make excuses for the behavior of people who want you, your children, and every other member of your family dead in the street with their heads on a pike. 'It's only a riot' they say. 'They just happen to worship Islam. There's no relation.' they say. It's been several centuries since we've heard of this kind of behavior out of other major religions (on a widespread scale). The only solution is a) have them get with the program or b) prepare them for extermination. Whatever the option, I'm in a good place with it. If comes down to my children who only want to be children that grow up to be ballerinas or baseball players and children who want to grow up to kill them because they were taught that McDonalds is the physical manifestation of Western evil, we'll then all I gotta say 'stand still while I reload'.

20 Also, last time I checked, yelling "Allahu Akbar!" while torching a car doesn't translate as "We want jobs and better health services! And some more schools while you're at it!"

21 Actually, lethal force heavily applied seems historically to be the second-best way to stop a riot- no matter whose or why (the BEST, of course, is to insure that the people most prone to organize a riot know your positive opinion on lethal force- and that THEY, in particular, are on the menu). Historically the worst and most extensive riots come when the police are barred from using appropriate force, including lethal force (In America look at Miami and Los Angeles or any random Detroit night after the Pistons lose one).

22 "Admit it - who isn't mischieviouly enjoying the French dilema?" Honestly, I thought that if something like this (or even worse) should occur, I'd feel smugly superior in saying "I told ya so". But now that it's happening, I feel very badly. The destruction, mayhem and personal grief they're causing for innocent people only makes me angry and more steadfast in my original convictions. Something good can still come of this. France can get a clue. And it would probably be in our best interests to help should they decide they've been in error and ask for help.

23 "The young people are angry, what they are doing is to be condemned but as elected officials we can understand the reasons for their anger," said Bondy mayor Sylvine Thomassin, quoted by AFP. "They have no work and live in stigmatised areas." If the local authorities think the riots are due to social conditions, I think they probably have more knowledge than any of us, who live 1000's of miles away in a completely different culture.

24 Oh my God! you mean Europe/France has ... ghettoes! poverty! ethnic and racial discrimination! high unemployment! poor inner city healthcare! high crime areas! inner city blight! race problems! urban decay! etc. etc. etc.! SAY IT AIN'T SOOOOO! I mean ... this is EUROPE we're talking about! A progressive socialist paradise for god's sake (lil' g for European sensibilities). I'm convinced this is all a right-wing hoax (where's Rove!). All I see is lots of small burning cars which could all be the French version of the Ford Pinto - simple gas tank problems taken out of context. I'm lovin' this

25 Oops - correction The French put their housing projects and ghettoes in the 'burbs - called here at one time scatter-site housing. Inner city property too valuable - gentrified (by the left no less). Remember how rough Paris north was - got into a nasty brawl up there by the Metro-north station years ago. Hung out a bit 'round FDR Plaza area - even that dive pool hall is gone.

26 Aginoth, French authorities are responsible for this demographic nightmare, they're hardly going to take responsibility for it-- they'll blame it on "poverty" like Lefties do for everything else.

27 Mrs. A, I take no pleasure in what is happening in France, although a comeuppence was certainly their due. Many of my ancestors came from the Rheims area of France, and although I have never visited there, several of my cousins have traveled there over the years. That being said, I must say again that the attitude you display is going to assure that riots will begin shortly in Britain. Why, say you? Because the Muslims see that you are weak, afraid to take the action necessary to forstall the violence about to visit you. I predicted the riots in France and Denmark, and I have predicted them for Britain. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. By the way, Mrs. A, didn't I hear something about Muslims attacking black people in Britain last week?

28 You know, in the 60s, the blacks in the south didn't like how they were treated either. MLK didn't call for distruction. Rosa Parks didn't throw Molotov cocktails at buses. This has little if anything to do with wanting equal treatment and opportunities.

29 Thanks Maureen, though I may disagree with the political philosophies of King and Parks, (they were known communists, that fact is easily verifiable and indisputable, though apologists for communism would deny it), they knew that peaceful resistance is the only kind that ultimately reaps a positive dividend, that is, if peaceful coexistence is one's goal. However, if one's goal is conquest and displacement, as is the muslims', then violence is the sure ticket, but only if you have the odds squarely in your favor. I think the muslims have used up their "religion of peace" credibility and are now almost universally seen as a threat to civilization. They should be exterminated to the last.

30 Jesusland Carlos: That can't be the original purpose of Jihad. Or then Medieval Total War is not a reliable source for neutral historic descriptions... Could've been turned into a more Crusade-like by later interpretations of Quran. Muhammeds version says a Hitlery message very clearly: Jihad is a holy war to return Arab land to Arabs. Were the ones fighting Martel Islamic? Less than a hundred years from Muhammed founding the religion to Martel fighting way far away on the other side of the Mediterranean, and at that time even Egypt was still technically Orthodox Christian.

31 And also, Saladin was the first man to start and lead an actual Jihad, if you don't count Muhammeds Jew hunts of course... They were actually civilized and way smarter than Europeans before the days of gore they experienced and apparently enjoyed once their first great leader chased out the Crusaders.

32 And since I said Europeans were dumber than Arabs, I need to point out that Finns were not considered to be European. Church and Vikings spread tales of heathen witches, demons, barbarians from the east, who talk in curses and make foul poison of their grain.

33 Ah Finn - Yes! Egypt was Christian - a very importent center of it, as was "Turkey!" (aka Antioch) before the Saracens (then Turks) arrived. and what about the Iberian Penninsula (Spain). The Poles, Lithuanians and Russians also had some interesting interaction with Muslims ... all long before the Crusades. To some muslims jihad seem to mean "Promised Planet"

34 I think everything in Europe, souther than Moscow, yet easter than Kiev was Muslim at one point, back when they were still thinking that Islam was advanced Christianity and Christianity was advanced Jewism. Long before those areas became Christian/Jewish.

35 In fact, the first form of Yahweh-based religion introduced to the steppes outside Roman empire was Islam, and first Arab religion influence came to Finland with the technique of distilling high % alcohol in very early "anno domini"s, except that Allah was a god among other desert gods back then. Still, since Allah brought us warmth, happiness and wooziness in a bottle, he got a warm seat right next to Ukko Ylijumala, so anti-Allah Catholic Christianity had a hard time settling about 15 centuries later. And once again drifted far away from the original topic. Couldn't help it, in just the right kind of lager toxication to be in a mellow mood and ramble on and on. I'll try to stop typing for this evening... well, way past midnight.

36 Oh yes, and next the riots will start in Sweden, and they'll be about how the huge racist groups with a total of 12 people in them are always bugging them with "GÃ¥ tillbaka till Afrika"-postcards.

37 Slug: Excellent post. Oyster: Of course you are right. But, I'm enjoying this as much as the French enjoyed their attemps pulling the rug from under the U.S. Personally, I hope the rioting continues until the frogs realize the only solution to protecting the future of their country. Which is SEND THEM BACK. A Fin: You are correct Finns are not considered Europeans. That are considered to be brain dead. What gave you the idea that you could rewrite history. The first muslims to enter Europe were the Berbers. They were muslims because the Arabs forced them to be. The Arabs then forced them to invade Spain. Then the Arabs followed into Spain and later into what is today modern France where their advance was stopped. Stop using cheap Russian drugs when reading history books. Mrs. A. No need to talk to you. I ran into your type 40 yrs ago at UC Berkley. Totally devoid of common sense.

38 "It's been several centuries since we've heard of this kind of behavior out of other major religions" umm, Northern Ireland. Israel. Yugoslavia. Rwanda. Hitler. to name but a few religious hatered wars/mass violence in the last 50 years.

39 Mrs Aginoth. You are full of shit. Northern Ireland. Israel, Yogoslavia, Rwanda, Hitler was RACIAL. Get it idiot. The Irish people don't wish to be ruled by others. Religion is a secondary consideration. They want independance. Israeli's are Jews. They want their own homeland. The Serbs and Croats want their country for their race. Rwanda was and still is tribe against tribe. Hitler attacked the Jewish people not their religion. It was the Joooooooos. You are a liberal excuse making idiot who merely runs at the mouth in a pitiful effort to spread you silly beliefs.

40 Gee whiz. The France is burning. Why don't I give a shit. Bush is wrong, right. The frogs have a choice. Get tough, mow them down and export them back to where they came from. Or turn butts up and make excuses for the barbaric behavior. Today, the Frogs are probably planning to promise the islamofacists money and such. Apologize to the african hoard for not giving them more earlier and perhaps the violence will stop. UNTIL THEY WANT MORE. Or better yet. France continues to burn until they realize what it takes to get along with a muslim. What it takes is them in their countries and the rest of the world in theirs.

41 >>>"Hitler." Nazism is a religion? Didn't know that. It thought it was a secular ideology based on race and nationality.

42 Nationalsocialism like communism was pretty much in religion status in countries infected with it, same kind of total control over behaviour and life of it's serious followers, originating from a single source, f.ex. Hitler, Bible, Marx. Grey old cock, as much as I value other peoples opinions, yours annoy me, and that is a rare thing to happen.

43 Oh yes, hope you didn't get the idea that I value opinions other than my own... Perhaps by their entertainment value, but I don't usually give 'em any thought, since it seems to have an effect similar to reading a book; reading quickly understanding what it's trying to say and thinking about it later replaces all own opinions considered trivial before with writers opinions and suddenly you think the guy has a point, eventhough you would only be amused by anyone serious about such views before you read the stuff.

44 Finn, you're gonna have to better than that to master the run-on-sentence. A comma here and a semi-colon there will go a long way.

45 A Finn, Where in the wide world did you come up with your history? Saladin leading the first jihad? The first jihad came out of the desert in Arabia in the 630's, fully 400 years before Saladin was born. The first jihad conquered Christian regions of the Middle East, including what today is Syria, Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan. The Christians were either killed, enslaved, or forced to convert to Islam. Within a generation, the jihad had conquered all of Christian North Africa, converted the Christian Berber tribesmen to Islam, and conquered the Visagoth Kingdom of Spain, and were finally stopped at the Battle of Tours in France in 734. The Eastern jihad had basically the same success, with the Persian kingdom falling to the invaders. Although stymied in France, the jihad continued in the Mediterranean with attacks and occupation of large parts of Italy, the sack of Rome, the capture of Sicily, and many other areas in Europe. A Finn, Paul Fregosi wrote an excellent book entitled "Jihad in the West" that I highly recommend. All these conquests by the Muslims took place PRIOR to the Crusades. The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression, not what is now taught by the politically correct in the West as an appeasement to Islam. Read the book. Go online and read the History of the Crusades done by the University of Wisconsin and pay close attention to the chapters that prelude the Crusades. Very enlightening.

46 A FIN: The greyrooster beginning to annoy you? That means I'm winning. That's the purpose. Dump some hot water on your frozen brain. Once again. Quit using the cheap Russian drugs when studying history. Better yet. Go get a job and quit living off of mommy.

47 Go back to Africa postcards! Hmmmm.

48 Finn, the iPod craze has assumed "religion status" too, that doesn't make it a religion. Internet porn has assumed "religion status" too, you get the picture. Arginoth was equating "Hitler" with the "major religions", but Nazism has never been a major religion by any definition you choose to give it. A religion is a belief in a higher power or something divine, which is different than an ideology. Nazism was/is an ideology. If you have to bend terms and definitions to make your ideas work (something people on the Left do constantly), then your ideas probably aren't worth a bucket of warm spit. Also, you don't know squat about history. The muslims invaded Spain in the 7th century (all the way from Saudi Arabia), and Saladin didn't fight Crusaders until the 11th century. The Crusades came long after the islamic empire had invaded Europe on several fronts. Again, you don't know squat about history.

49 Carlos, I meantioned Saladin with Jihads, not regular conquest trips. Not every war against Muslims was a Crusade either. And naturally I twist every fragment of everything to create my commentary, if that makes them useless, so be it, since it's not fun enough to always point out the obvious anyone could've thought of. Oyster, fine, I'll check commentary for errors... maybe. Joe, too early in the morning, or mid-day, to read all of that, but if it was about me being wrong about everything, then ok, maybe so. Greyrooster, I say no to drugs, yes please to alcohol. Who says I study history? I just apply creative reading to it. Already got a job and thousands of euros in bank, I'd move out, but the school is very near so studies won't cost a dime if I live here. And I prefer the sauna for brain melter.

50 They should shoot to kill all rioters. Order a curfew 8pm if anyone is out on the streets then you will be shot to death. You will not be shot just to bring you down, we'll check to see if you are still alive and if you are we'll shoot you dead on the spot. We'll continue this until you learn to stop acting like animals. If they don't like acting civilized, then a free ticket back to whereever is in order. As far as squalid apartments the government gave them. You should have seen what they looked like before they moved in. Now they're full of graphitti because of them. THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES FOR GOD SAKES! Check out this blog: http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/ You will find all you need to know!

51 When the oppressed and poor decided to change things in France the last time, their royalty got whacked. Whose going this time? Will it be the Made in France -French or the richest 10%, we'll just have to wait to find out.

52 Finn, seriously, you have no clue. Read and learn: "Mohammed himself led the first jihad, in the wars of the Muslims against the pagans in Arabia. The jihad continued under his successors, with a series of wars that brought the Middle East, including the Holy Land, under Arab Muslim rule and then continued eastward into Asia, westward into Africa, and three times into Europe--the Moors in Spain, the Tatars in Russia, the Turks in the Balkans. The Crusade was part of the European counterattack. The Christian re-conquest succeeded in Spain, Russia and eventually the Balkans; it failed to recover the Holy Land of Christendom." http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/2001/09/28/0004.html

53 As for the use of lethal force... You're trying to get home through one of the rioting areas with your wife, your 5-year old daughter, and your infant son. Suddenly, a dangerous-looking Jihadi with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? Liberal's Answer: "Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to convert me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why are they rioting anyway? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus." Conservative's Answer: BANG! Conservative Okie's Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click (sounds of reloading) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click. (Daughter: ) "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?" Sometimes you have to get their attention the hard way...

54 Lonevoice, By God, that's the Texan's answer also, and the right one. The French have now painted themselves into a corner. What at the beginning would have only taken a few deaths will now take many. The stupidity of it all.

55 Lonevoice, here in the Texas hill country it's BANG x 30 because we use banana clips. No questions asked.

56 Lonevoice, I agree with you 99%. The 1% I disagree with is the choice of weapon: a Glock....peeuuuu. A 1911. Now that's a good looking weapon to unleash some thunder with. I imagine the riot police on the ground must be feeling the frustration. Those guys are probably itching to use force - anything - to finally get control, but as with many operations it's the stuffed shirts who are holding them back and making things worse - domestically and internationally.

57 Graeme, I like my two .45 auto's about as well as anything, one being a 1911 Government model and the other a 1911 Combat Commander that has been through the Colt Custom Shop, but I just bought a Taurus 24/7 in .45 cal that I find very satisfactory. As far as rifles go, I recently acquired a Springfield Armory Socom that is absolutely the number one best rifle out there. It is a pleasure to fire and is very accurate, plus it fires the .308 cal cartridge. I also have a Scout rifle which is a modified version of the Remington Model 600 fitted with a scope. I like it for hunting deer, and it makes a damn fine rifle for non urban areas.

58 Dang it, JJ, now you've gone and gotten me jealous. I live in a former British colony so the government has inherited their absurd gun laws and all out fear of an armed, law-abiding population. Anyway, I'm still free to dream. I've always said that the first handgun purchase I'll make (when I'm somehow in a position to do so) will be a 1911. I have a preference for Springfield, but just about any 1911 will do. I've never fancied the newer polymer frames. They all lack the lines of the 1911 and seem to all end up with the same squared look. The first rifle I'll buy will be a Mauser K98k. After that, well I, I'll build my collection from there. You Americans (especially you Texans) are very, very lucky in that department.

59 France, Euroasia, and the world won't learn the real issues at stake here until the Eiffle Tower is blown up. Somalia was just about warlords too until Osama Bin Laden was found to be behind much of the activity there. I'm not worried as Hillary the warrior will put a stop to this nonsense by sending Jimmy Carter over there to negotiate a permanent peace! Sadly though, he'll hve to go to Mecca to collect his next "peace prize"

60 Graeme, Hey, I in no way wanted to make you jealous, but take my word that the 1911 is just one damn good handgun. I shoot mine often(every Saturday and Sunday), knowing that a pistol is hard to master and you will lose your ability if you do not practice. I remember well when I shot my first handgun(a Dirty Harry 44 magnum w/a 4 in. barrel), and looked downrange and saw a pine sapling slowly falling. I had to have me one of them, still have it, and love to use it for a working gun when we visit our farm in Arkansas or here on our ranch. It's a dandy against feral hogs here in Texas or black bear in Arkansas, although I've never had to shoot one. It makes me feel safe to have it on my hip.

61 Hmmm I have not shed one tear yet for France. nope They had their chance to fight with us but noooooo. I hope our country will learn something with what is happening in France and start taking this whole thing more seriously. We need to close down the Saudi Schools that are here in America and stop kissing up to the Muslims with all the various things they want banned just because of their so called religion.

62 Hey it's cool JJ. I'm sure the 1911 enhances one's feeling of security. I think it's the only design and caliber that will never lose popularity. Hence the reason they're the Pringles of handguns: you can't have just one. On a side note, it's been so long since I've fired off a few rounds (I learned to shoot with a 38 revolver), that when I finally do get to experience the 1911, the safest place for me to do it will be out at sea.

63 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/talk/index2.html

64 Lonevoice: BANGBANG BANG. Two fast in the chest, one aimed in the head. Remember your economy of fire, dude: he might not be the only attacker and anyway high-end hollowpoints ain't cheap.

65 Haha, Graeme, don't worry. Here in Texas we still have wide open spaces where you can't hit anything, and in Arkansas there are so many trees that they will stop anything you shoot. My wife shoots a Tauras Model 98 .38 Special which I occasionally carry for a concealed pistol(I have a concealed carry licence in Texas and Arkansas). I do shoot it sometimes just to stay in practice as it only has a 2-inch barrel. It is very pleasant to shoot, but I do not have the confidence in the round itself to make me comfortable that it would stop a determined attacker. I much prefer the big bore pistols in whatever configuration, either revolver or auto. Occasionally I hunt larger game in Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana and I feel better having the .44 magnum as a backup in bear country, although my whitetail deer hunting in Arkansas has become more complicated also with the rising numbers of bear, coyotes and the occasional mountain lion. Mountain lions in the western states are also increasing in numbers and becoming more bold in their attacks, so a good firearm is a must.

66 A FINN: I apologize. It's obvious you never studied history. I shouldn't have said that you did.

67 Poor Frenchies, still burning. Blame this one on America. Burn bitches burn. Until you get some balls. You Francetards sided with the muslims because they owned you money. Money you frogs should have never given them. Bush caused the fires. France is simply the first of many I told you so's. Should have listened to Bush. Now pay the consequences. Balls out or butts up frenchies. I'm betting you go butts up.

68 Apology accepted =) Oh yes, and Carlos, thanks, but no thanks, I have no use for non-entertaining, non-provocative, standardized history info.

69 ...since it's much more fun to defend evvk-things when I know half the stuff I'm writing is bullshit. (I'm bored, pointless and I disagree for fun, ban me if you can, I don't care)

70 The so called religion of peace what a sick joke why dont prince charles have his head examend

71 This is good stuff! Muslims burning France. Can anybody say this is Karma at its finest

72 Andy, this is karma at its finest. There, I said it. Actually, I think karma falls far short of describing the poetic justice that the French are dealing with. I hope the French have a good recipe for crow, because they've got a lot of it to eat; corneille au vin, or corneille cordon bleu, perhaps?

73 I knew this would happen but not so soon. Time to wake up Europe! All this fancy talk about integration and multicultures is crap. If you live in a different culture then adopt or if you don't like it get the F¤"¤& out, very simple. In their countries they'd get their hands chopped off or worse, but here they feel free worship foul totalianarism and cause mayhem. We need to learn them how to behave like decent humans because obviously the religion of peace hasn't taught them any of that. Or we could do the standard cave in because were afraid to upset the moslems who would cause more violence and instead appease them by signing a nonagression pact so they can continue to despize western society and demand their own.

74 ""Rioters attacked us with baseball bats," Philippe Jofres, a deputy fire chief f" Baseball?

75 A FIN: We are not going to ban you. Rather keep berating you until you get out of elementary school.

76 A FIN: When you achieve puberty you will understand better.

77 Fowl beast, I'm past that, but I didn't rebel against anything, so it isn't technically over yet. Didn't see any faults in the country, didn't care about abroad and managed to keep the free food/housing/NES (best console ever) + avoid parenting from the age of ten.

78 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10909.htm

1 for previous BNB rally - YIKES! zombietime dot com scan down to link for Small rallies, The BNB march in Berkeley on Saturday, July 23, 2005. Caution, not for the faint of heart.

2 I guess that not all breasts are created equal. Then again, not all "men" are created equal either.

3 I,ll bet this judge was,nt from the infamous 9th curcutt court you know how these idiots would have ruled

4 Hey, Mike, sorry to jump off topic. But someone should bring this to Rusty's attention asap (if it hasn't been already). Deck OÂ’ Bloggers 2005

5 After seeing zombietime's protest pictures, it's very likely this judge has spared people from seeing something so morbidly obscene. he should be nominated for the nobel peace prize. Indecent Exposure? more like Optical Battery.

6 Gawd!!! My eyes!

7 Get a rope! Not to hang 'em, but to tie those sagging things up with. God, almighty, gross ain't even the word for these old hags.

8 Somebody give Judge Burrell a raise and a parking spot closer to the courthouse.

9 Gosh you guys know how to milk a joke for all it's worth!

10 http://www.cepr.net/publications/econ_war_2002_12.htm

1 "We, in the Republic of Yemen, re-emphasize our insistence and determination to continue exerting efforts in order to consolidate our partnership with the international community to support efforts to confront terrorism and add to the tangible successes that our country had achieved in this regard with the cooperation with our brotherly and friendly nations.” Six months later, as the Yemeni government refuses to hand over 4 nationals suspected of carrying out the attacks: "That statement I made six months ago doesn't count. I had my fingers crossed behind my back."

2 They also had their fingers crossed when they reported to the US that a major AQ was killed in a shootout with security forces. The regime later admitted they let him go and havent made any attempt to recapture him (per state depts report released in 2004 "patterns of terrorism"). Lying that a terrorist is dead when he's really alive and on the loose is not indicative of authentic support in confronting terrorism.

3 You've got to wonder whatever happened to the post 9-11 'You're either with us or against us' standard regarding allies. How could it have been allowed to slip into this 'You're either kinda, sorta with us, but not quite, but still willing to make a small effort when it's convenient to you.....sometimes, or against us'.

4 My sentiments exactly. Like the Koran dueling Judge Hittar who re-educates the AQ. Bin Laden's driver said its a scene to expedite their release. And the deal with the Yemeni government is no attacks in Yemen but outside, well that's OK. And our troops in Iraq are paying the price with their blood for the training, transiting, financing, documenting that is coming from Yemen. And Saleh gets a big pass because well he can only accommodate the international community sometimes. The rest of the time he has to appease the AQ linked military and business leaders, many of whom are his relatives. And the reformers get death threats, the journalists get beaten, and the people get poorer by the day due to massive theft of public funds. Our ally Ali, he's due in the US on the 10th. I cant wait to see that press conference.

5 I have to plug an audio clip I found on the MrsSatan blog. I'm in no way affiliated with them or whoever writes the thing. The clip was so good I wanted other people to enjoy it besides me. Enjoy. http://mrssatan.blogspot.com/2005/11/andy-rooney-negro-is-good-word.html

6 Is it just me, or is Rusty really slipping away from the site and replacing Shacklefordist mix of odd humor and views that don't fall into not-this-crap-again -category with massrepublicans and slightly altered news stories? Likely random reader reaction: Duh, it's just you, shut up and go away. Ok.

7 How dare the US Government allow muslim filth to desecrate holy Christian soil. Off with their heads.

8 http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp

1 Pakistan again. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Maybe there's a lesson to be learnt here.

2 The idiot attacks anyone. Syria, America, Spain, England, Saddam. Makes no difference to him. As long as (GOOD MUSLIMS) continue to pay the bill those like him will continue to plague the world. My point! Who pays for his travel and upkeep?

3 Imagine that we keep finding our enemies harbored amongst our greatest "ally" in the region. Imagine, indeed.

4 Then it's a good thing they are our ally or there would be more in that region.

5 Actually, I think that Ernie is right about the Pakistan government. A part of it is engaging the terrorists hiding in the tribal region of Pakistan, and another is sympathetic toward the terrorists. But everyone must remember here that we have people in the US engaged in supporting the terrorists, financially and otherwise, traitors to their own country, walking the streets and continuing to help our enemy. I don't think we should hold the Musharaff government to a higher standard than what we hold our own.

6 Unfortunately a government suffering from bipolar disorder is not able to run a country, especially when it comes to matters of national security. You can't have one branch arresting terrorists while the other recruits and arms them. It will never work. Yes the Pakistanis have been responsible for most of the major arrests in that region, but like the Saudis, I don't think that they have earned the right yet to be cut any slack. Besides, this isn't about the Pakistani government believing that terrorism is an evil that needs to be stopped, it's about a regime that's under some pressure to clean up it's part of this mess (not just a regional mess, but a global one) and appear somewhat reformed so as to not become a pariah. A.Q. Khan sold nuclear know how to the Iranians and who knows who else, with the full knowledge of the Pakistani government. Will he face prosecution by a world body? No, since the Pakistani government has categorically stated that they will not be giving him up. Is he living out his retirement years quietly? Probably not. So in conclusion, the criminal may have ratted out some of his buddies and seemingly cleaned up his act, but that doesn't mean that he should be given the keys to the vault.

7 Graeme: The key word here may be "captured in Pakistan". We have our Gregs and Downing Street Morons they have their terrorists. Same thing.

8 http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=572

1 Thank God the little boy didn't knock her up! The way the system works, they would have required him to pay child support to this wacko for the next 18 years.

2 Ah, back to the Jawa Report.

3 Funny , that aint much. How much would I get if if bottomknocked an 8 year old boy

4 Thats disgusting. She deserved much more jail time. Its a total violation. Eight? oh please.

5 I'm sick and tired of the judicial system allowing these creeps to plead out for any reason. Why don't they allow videotaped testimony for young children in sexual assault cases? That way the child wouldn't have the trauma of being in a court room facing his accuser. I'm sorry, but I think if one of my little ones were in that situation, I'd make them testify and just continue the therapy. All these kids are gonna grow up one day and look at their parents and say "I was already traumatized. Why didn't you make me testify so s/he could die in prison instead of getting off with a slap on the wrist?!" I'd be pissed wouldn't you?!

6 Eight is a bit young. Now 12 years old would have been a different matter. I wanted my english teacher, Mrs. Arce, something bad when I was 12 years old. That was a fine piece of horseflesh. It's not as bad for boys to get molested by their (female) teacher as it is for girls to. It's every little boys dream actually. Cmon guys, admit it.

7 Criminalizing drugs and sex is what makes people criminals. Since the sadists enjoy punishing folks and seeing the suffer it will be difficult to see change. We have to oust the sadists and vote in rational legislators. America is supposed to be the land of second chances.

8 The prison time is definitely not enough. Taking advantage of an 8 year old is just sick. There can be no defense for it. It seems as though since the LeTourneau case there has been an increase in number of these cases - at least one per year. I can't come up with an explanation for it. Is it that it was always fairly common? Also these cases tend to involve teachers who already have families.

9 At least she did not teach at a Catholic School like so many of the others we've heard of the last few years.

10 Sixteen? Not a crime, but maybe she should find a different job. Eight? She's a child molester. Send her to jail.

11 How in the hell does a woman have sex with a 8 year old. I thought I started early at twelve. Don't believe I could have sex at 8. The woman is sick. At 8 the boy was molested. At twelve he would have been a hero to all the other twelve year olds.

12 Crazy persons what with these crazy persons whats becoming of the world?

13 8 years old or 12 years old, the level of mental maturity isn't much different. Just because a young boy has begun to have sexual thoughts or inclinations doesn't mean he's mentally prepared to act them out, or be acted upon by an adult, and come out of the ordeal with a stable psyche.

14 Oh I was prepared to act them out allright. Just ask the local Baptist preachers 15 year old daughter. The girl matured early and taught me much. Shame I wasn't the first.

15 This entire story has me turned on!!! Does anyone know if she has a video of them porking? I would pay BIG bucks for it.... I would settle in with some booze and some popcorn and watch that lucky little halfwit pump his puny, hairless sex organ into that nutty slut!!!! But, I bet that little creep orgasmed after four pumps... forget the video, I don't want to get cheated!

16 this is extremely disgusting and inappropriate, how can anyone have that kind of interest in having sex with someone's who's 8?..it's very disturbring that someone can be sexually interested in someone that young, and then to actually do things sexual is remarkably sickening and an adult doing something to someone's who's 12 is still sick and very immoral and that kind of behavior is awful and even if a preteen or younger teen would be interested in someone older, it's still not right and not ok and very immoral and a lot of people don't care about morality of one's actions and having sex around 12 is still quite young and some people attitude's towards young people having sex is very demeaning to our society and a lot of preteens/teens make bad moral decisions and have degrading behavior, and she should've had a minimum of 20 years for doing something that sick and courts are too lenient toward female pedophiles and toward most sexual criminals anyways and they should know that this kind of behavior should never occur and some people probably don't deserve 2nd chances if they do something so disgusting and the US gives too many 2nd chances to people who have sickening behavior, and she's going to be out in just 6 years and she may find that boy when he's 14 or other boys that age, or she's at least going to have a free life after only just 6 years when she shouldn't after doing something that despicable..how in the world can she have that interest and want to do such things with someone that young?..ugh!

17 "...long kisses could be substituted if they couldn't have daily sex." Sounds like marriage

1 thanks Howie, Im such an odd duck lately. Im so glad everybody knew me before this whole Yemen thing. But "special guest poster" is a very nice way to put it. tnx

2 You are new and special here and we get around on the net a bit. I can bestow on you any title you want today. Request?

3 a little below a yemeni guy called me a democracy majahdia. but just jane is fine too.

4 vladgondonpozornii

1 Argh! Mike Brown won't go away! Fired from FEMA, now he's CHP commissioner!

2 Mike, if you saw these old gals, you would change your mind. Go to zombie's website and look around for a while. You will find them and you will vomit. They are grotesque and should be arrested for assualt with a deadly weapon(sagging, ugly, mal-formed breasts). Actually I would prefer a bullet to these old girls. Aarrgg!

3 Unless they can prove that supermodels have joined their group and will be the only representatives at the protest, arrest them on sight if they go ahead with it. I can't afford to lose my vision at such an early age.

4 This is an effective form of protesting - in an alternative universe maybe. You know it will eventually end up in the 9th Circuit! Hell! Let'em do it! get film & photos - post on the net "Nags Hags Bags whatever gone Wild!" Dump the sound- add your own captions - I'm sure there is a niche market for this type of porn somewhere.

5 why, why did you post that? it made me google for images...arrrrggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 >>>"the group's San Francisco attorney, Matthew Kumin, stated that, in essence, if they can't take their shirts off, nobody shows up and listens to the women." More unintentional self-parody by the Left. So much of what they do and say could just as easily show up in the Onion.

7 Let the bitches show their tits, for the love of God. Next thing you know, apple pie will be banned too.

8 Good grief, one supposes that Menzenzeses likes saggy old gray warty broads with tits down past their ample rolling waistline - get a wheelbarow to drag them around.

9 Keith, Trust this old hunter, there will be a few good racks in the herd. Also, who knows, maybe some hot Republican babes will form a counter protest.

10 Breasts For The Troops. Yeah, that's the ticket.

11 Unbelievable. Can we not just encourage California to secede? Seriously.

12 Hey greg, when is the last time you saw a tit that wasn't digitized? Be honest, were you getting milk from it at the time?

13 Glad I sold my property in Willits, Calif. Mendocino county. The toothless bitches have gone crazy. One must remember that the biggest cash crop in Mendocino county is pot.

14 The feminazis are getting freaker all the time to show how stupid they can be like those jerks going nude to protest furcoats

15 If guys did something similar, there'd be such an uproar. Most men aren't stupid enough to try it. If they did, the same breast baring dipsticks would call them a bunch of perverts.

16 Hey thirdee! Yep they would!

17 Good one, Vinnie. You deballed Greg for all the World to see. Bwahahahaha!

18 Jesusland Joe: I agree with Vinnie. Can't imagine this loser getting laid. Unless its my camel jockey and Greg is butts up to him.

19 Vinnie:"Hey greg, when is the last time you saw a tit that wasn't digitized?" When I buggered your Mum last week.

20 With the look of them they will all need the new bra size 38 long.

21 "If guys did something similar,..." Don't make me provide links to people like "blow-up scrotum-guy". I'm older than all those cranky old bats and I have better tits than any of them, but I don't feel the uncontrollable urge to take my shirt off and tell people, "Don't, like, bomb stuff ... like, okay?" WTF? Mindless twits. Every one of them.

22 God, no, Oyster, I've been assaulted enough today! Those old hags are just right for Greg, though. Just goes to show you that there is someone out there for everyone. Heh!

23 But that someone for Greg is a goat.

24 I thought Islamic breast protection was el Ja bra's job.

25 That was a good one.

1 Good luck, Rusty, and don't work too hard! HaHa! See ya next week.

2 Be sure and give Blanco/Nagin my regards....or not

3 good luck Doc...take care and stay safe

4 which hurricane zone would that be ? there are soooo many choices

5 If you run into Bonnie Prince Charlie & his old lady tell them Hondo says "Hey"

6 Yeah, "hurricane zone" really narrows it down. Good luck!

7 Rusty: I was at the industrial canal today to help out. The day ended being spent watching 9 New Orleans cops watch while a New Orleans police car was pulled from the industrial canal under the bridge on the north side of the lock. Crazy cop went around the barriers (because the bridge was in the up position) floored the cop car and went off the bridge at 80 MPH. Bridge was about 60 ft high. Unfortunately, two very brave and dedicated Coast Guard NCO's seen what happened and swam the canal, dived to the bottom and pulled the lame brain idiot out alive. New Orleans finest say he did it because he had a fight with his girl friend. This happened last tuesday night. WONDER WHY IT HASN'T HIT THE NEWS. Two heros save idiot in uniform and nothing in the news.

8 Wish to help. Go to the Mississippi Coast and forget about the fools is Orleans Parish.

9 best of luck watch your fingies

10 Cool, good luck down there, guy! And to all those people that are saying you're "showboating" and "blowing your own horn" with this announcement: Screw you guys. Rusty is a hero, and deserves our support and prayers!

11 Marko: Rusty may not be blowing his own horn. But you are kissing his ass. Who says he is showboating? You must be a democrat.

12 I'm sorry, "greyrooster," but I'm unsure of what I've done to offend you... I was simply defending "Rusty." Nothing more. Why all the hostility? We're all friends here. And you haven't yet responded to my queries on the topic of Mukhtaran Bibi. Any time...