Sixty-one years ago on this date three American destroyers, Hoel, Heermann and Johnston, hurled themselves at a Japanese force of 4 battleships and 8 cruisers. Terriers attacking a wolfpack. The Hoel and Johnston, along with the destroyer escort Samuel B. Roberts were sunk, but the carriers they had been protecting were saved. October 25th, 1944 was the ninetieth anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

During the Battle of Leyte Gulf (of which the Battle of Surigao Strait was a part), from 22-27 October, 1944 - six days - the United States suffered 3,000 men killed in action.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

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The MSM continues to monitor the body count in Iraq like some warped type of fantasy sports game.

Witness this excerpt from an Associatedantiamerican Press article concerning the Islamotard attack on the Palestine Hotel today:

But the toll among American service members killed in the Iraq war reached 1,997 with the announcement of a Marine killed Sunday during fighting in western Iraq.

Since the beginning of 2005, at least 465 vehicle bombings, including suicide car bombs and vehicles exploded by remote detonations, have killed at least 2,250 people in Iraq.

Too bad these idiots lack any sense of historical perspective, much less decency.

The following are from The Chronology Of World War Two: The Day By Day Illustrated Record 1939-1945:

Yes, you read that right. More American civilians died in WWII than have died in the GWOT, which has now gone on longer than WWII, and will continue for many years.

I could care less anymore if the MSM is anti-war or pro-war, but in struggles of freedom vs. tyranny, at least they could offer some balanced perspective.

Fat chance, that.

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They got their wish, the gleeful gibbering has begun:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The American military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 Tuesday with the announcements of three more deaths, including an Army sergeant who died of wounds at a military hospital in Texas and a Marine and a sailor killed last week in fighting west of Baghdad.

The 2,000 mark was reached amid growing doubts among the American public about the Iraq conflict, launched in March 2003 to destroy Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction. None was ever found.

The media is doing its level best to demoralize this nation by ruthlessly tallying up the number of dead. They know that the historical knowledge of the average citizen is woefully inadequate. They feed on it, in an attempt to convince them that this war is Vietnam The Sequel.

Therein lies their folly. By assuming that you and me are too stupid to make any connection to the past, they beat the drum of despair.

They shriek 2000 dead!!!! For nothing!!!!!! No WMD!!!!!

Germany, Italy, Japan, Bulgaria, Finland, Hungary, and Romania had no WMD, either, yet this country sacrificed 292,000 of its best and its brightest to defeat the Axis.

If the media is going to use the same tactics in this war that they used to help turn public opinion against the Vietnam war, by magnifying the bad while ignoring the good, then I believe it's up to us bloggers to use history in order to provide some balance to this misinformation.

This post was not about numbers, it was not about "playing bingo" with the dead. I did this post to provide a historical perspective as to what this country was once willing to pay in order to secure its freedom and continued existence. Without that perspective, we run the risk of letting the propagandists of the other side form the picture in people's minds of what this war is about.

And it is more than apt to compare this conflict with WWII. Islamofascism and Nazism are nearly identical in their respective quests. It's even apt to compare this conflict with Vietnam, given that both are rife with spectacular Allied military victories that are twisted and spun to make them seem like defeat.

We owe our knowledge of the truth about Vietnam to diligent historians. Militarily, the United States crushed the enemy. North Vietnam suffered over 1 million casualties in that war. That truth wasn't consumed by the pubic at the time, they ended up demoralized, and were unwilling to see the victory through to the end.

We no longer have the luxury of time, my friends. History needs to be written now, in the face of this hostile media, a political party that no longer stops playing at the waters edge, and a public that consumes it's news in 30 second sound bites.

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I just heard on Fox News's Dayside during a phone interview with Cindy Sheehan that she isn't going to be tying herself to the fence of the White House. She didn't state why and later detailed her "new" plan and that is to lay down outside of the White House in a symbolic death at 1800 every night.

Cindy Sheehan said she was going to lay down and not get up.

As Jeff Quinton said in an instant message to me, "Preferably in the middle of the street."

NOTE: Musing Minds has a complete transcript of today's show.

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A patriarchal court system probably won't allow this type of lawsuit to get too far.

A Brazilian woman is suing her partner for not giving her orgasms.

According to Terra Noticias Populares reports, the unnamed 31-year-old filled (sic) a complaint at Chacar Urbana Police station in Jundiai, in the state of Sao Paulo.

She complained that her 38-year-old partner reached an orgasm and then simply stopped the sexual intercourse.

Police chief Jose Roberto Ferraz is investigating the case.

A police spokesperson said: "We will look into it, we will treat it as an ordinary complaint and let the judge decide." (Source)

Uh ... Right?

On the other side of the world in a somewhat related report from Xinhua, a nation-wide poll of Chinese women this past weekend found that "nearly one-in-eight women, 12.4 per cent, said they rarely or never experienced sexual pleasure." Furthermore, the poll also found that about "25 per cent of wives are disappointed with service between the sheets."

Jeez! Twenty-five percent of the married women in a country of 1.2 billion people has got to be at least tens of millions of desperate housewives. To put the number in perspective, it appears that there may be more frustrated women in China than the entire population of France.

In all candor, I'm flummoxed by reports of unsatisfied women. Even though my personal sample size is statistically insignificant, I've heard not a single complaint.

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Another milestone toward the defeat of the left...... errrrrr rather global terrorism.

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Officials said Tuesday that a majority of Iraqi voters adopted the country's draft constitution during the country's Oct. 15 referendum.

Results released by the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq show Sunni Arabs who opposed the draft document failed to produce enough votes to defeat it.

he constitution is considered another major step in the country's democratic transformation. It clears the way for the election of a new Iraqi parliament on Dec. 15.
More from AP here

In related news , John Conyers sues in the ICC for a recount citing massive terrorist disenfranchisement.

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Canada claims the worldÂ’s tallest building The CN Tower at 1815 ft. Soon to be surpassed by the Burj Dubai under construction. ItÂ’s sturdy too, built like a brick shit house.

Hat Tip : Mark.

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Hat tip: Stop The ACLU

WASHINGTON — At least 21 detainees who died while being held in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan were killed, many during or after interrogations, according to an analysis of Defense Department data by the American Civil Liberties Union.
The analysis, released Monday, looked at 44 deaths described in records obtained by the ACLU. Of those, the group characterized 21 as homicides, and said at least eight resulted from abusive techniques by military or intelligence officers, such as strangulation or "blunt force injuries," as noted in the autopsy reports.FOX

Notice the leap to calling these deaths homicides. The ACLU bases these allegations on what? Their own word? They cherry picked 21 deaths from 44, and slapped them with the label of homicide. What I want to know is how this is any of the ACLU's business anyway, and who is funding this attack on the military. We've all seen the photos at Abu Ghraib, and investigations were put into place.

War is ugly, and you can be sure the ACLU, who feel the need to stick its nose in foreign affairs of war, will not be going after any of the killers that sawed off the heads of American contractors, or burned them alive! No, these are the ones the ACLU have decided to defend. How American of them.

One of these many, many, 21 deaths is even being disputed by his very own father.

Wahid, 28, was taken from his home by Afghan militia and accused of being a terrorist. The autopsy report said he died in American custody, though his father has blamed the militiamen.

I'm sure there are many other details in the other 20 cases that the ACLU failed to report, instead preferring to paint a picture of the American military as ruthless murderers. Other than anti-American propaganda, I really can't think of any reason the public needs to know about these things. The military have done their own investigations, and dealt out justice.

Details about the detainee abuse and deaths have been released by the Pentagon as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the ACLU. Many of the incidents have been made public previously, and in a number of cases soldiers and officers involved have been prosecuted and punished.

"The U.S. military does not tolerate mistreatment of detainees," said Army spokesman Col. Joseph Curtin. "Past cases have been fully investigated. When there is credible evidence, commanders have the prerogative to prosecute."

To date, there have been more than 400 investigations of detainee abuse, and more than 230 military personnel have received a court-martial, nonjudicial punishment or other administrative action.

But the ACLU don't need "credible evidence", they have concluded all on their own authority that these poor terrorists were murdered. All 21 of them without doubt.

"There is no question that U.S. interrogations have resulted in deaths," said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU's executive director. "High-ranking officials who knew about the torture and sat on their hands and those who created and endorsed these policies must be held accountable."

Oh, now I see! The ACLU are not concerned with soldiers who go overboard. They are concerned about "high ranking officials." They are concerned about our torture "policies." You've got to be kidding ACLU!

Credible evidence missing:

1) An endorsed policy of torture. Can we please see this policy, or is the ACLU making this up out of whole cloth?

2) High ranking officials knowing about these things and sitting on their hands. Can we please see this evidence presented ACLU?

3) The 21 alleged instances of homicide, at least one of which is being openly disputed by the father of the alleged victim, somebody you wouldn't exactly expect to be covering for the perpetrators.

In my opinion, the ACLU is full of allegations and empty on evidence. The whole rhetoric of this being some sort of conspiracy in the government being covered up by some mysterious "high ranking officials" is complete paranoia! If anyone were trying to cover this up, the DOD would have never released the information to the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the military have been going out of their way to prosecute anybody suspected of misbehaving. The question stands: Where is the money for this activity coming from? Well, we know where its not coming from!

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Anti-War MP Accused of Lying About Oil-for-Food Payoffs

Ferociously anti-war British Minister of Parliament George Galloway now stands accused of having profited from the oil-for-food program and lying about his involvement to the US Senate. From the Guardian (UK):

The MP George Galloway angrily rejected fresh allegations last night from a US senate investigation that he lied under oath about Saddam Hussein's multimillion-pound oil-for-food programme.

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Passed away, aged 92.

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Caption this photo of me (Vinnie), Howie, See-Dubya, and Mike Pechar at the last Jawa Report Contributor's meeting.

Fatwas will be issued sometime before Monday Night Football.

(I can't remember who's standing on the left, just barely in the picture, could be Demosophist, maybe Bluto. Then again, I don't remember much about that meeting...who would?)

We have fatwas

Graeme for "Rusty Shackelford had always wanted to be like Hugh Hefner, but high operating costs prevented him from realising his dream. That is, until he found four contributors who weren't inclined to read their contracts properly."

Filthy Allah for "Dear Sweet Christ. This is better than Scott Baio hopped up on Goofballs and half naked! I have not seen so many sexy seniors in ages! Are those scars from Oatmeal burns?"

Jesusland Joe for "It's burqa time, baby!"

Honorable Mention:

Rodney Dill for "Even though he's been out of office for a while, Internship wannabe's line up daily at 15 Old House Lane in Chappaqua, NY."

Sorta Dishonorable Mention, But Would Have Been A Winner If He Had Read The Rules, Which I Email Out Every Saturday Without Fail, I Swear:

Matt, for "OK, can't use image tags, but here's my entry" (dude, you can't answer a question with a question, and you can't caption a picture with a picture even if it is hilarious).

Only mentioning it because he frightens me Mention:

Mr. Venom, for "While still searching for the elusive weapons of mass destruction, U.N. weapons inspectors announce the discovery of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass disgust."

Dishonorable Mention:

I couldn't decide between the two, but they know who they are.

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No comment, beyond words.

Bristish banks are banning piggy banks because they may offend some Muslims.

Halifax and NatWest banks have led the move to scrap the time-honoured symbol of saving from being given to children or used in their advertising, the Daily Express/Daily Star group reported today.

Muslims do not eat pork, as Islamic culture deems the pig to be an impure animal.Salim Mulla, secretary of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, backed the bank move."This is a sensitive issue and I think the banks are simply being courteous to their customers," he said

Wonder how they feel about this

Update: Oh! Ye of little faith......original article from Australian Associated Press here

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1 This just gets more ridiculous by the minute. Would some Brit out there comment on this? Is it true?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 02:16 PM (rUyw4)

2 hmm. are Muslims confused?, you do not kill and eat the piggy bank -- you just save your dole check in it.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 02:43 PM (CcXvt)

3 I am offended that they have taken the piggy banks away. Ever since I was born, the piggy bank has been an integral part of my life since we have always stored money inside. Now, I must store it in my bra. Oh, the humanity!

Posted by: RepJ at October 24, 2005 02:58 PM (6mUkl)

4 Why not simply give people the choice of choosing? What exactly is the problem? There has to be more to this story because this is totally stupid.

Posted by: hondo at October 24, 2005 02:58 PM (ymtSt)

5 The miserable buggers stopped giving them away free over 20 years ago. this is just an excuse to justify why they're such penny pinching bastards. Nat West gave away a family of branded piggy banks away with their new accounts back in the 80's. These are now collecters items & sell for loadsa money. Nat west has complained that they don't get any of that money on a number of occasions. Over the past 5 years I've opened new accounts for myself & my kids in both banks & no piggy banks were forthcoming then. IMO this story is either misreported or possibly fabricated.

Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 24, 2005 03:06 PM (cZrVc)

6 Death to America, and Death to Kevin Bacon!!!!!!

Posted by: Kazim Mahbub at October 24, 2005 03:40 PM (3OPZt)

7 Death to all haters of pigs! And long live Piglet!!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 04:00 PM (rUyw4)

8 We don't need to lock cockpits anymore. Just hang bacon from the door. That will keep them out. And we shouldn't be using more guard dogs. What we need are guard pigs!

Posted by: Maureen at October 24, 2005 04:15 PM (ny5O/)

9 May the blood of the infidel soak the floor of Tony RomaÂ’s

Posted by: Heida Salammi at October 24, 2005 04:19 PM (3OPZt)

10 Actually "good" Muslims normally use their own banks, because they do not want to earn interest on their money: "Believers, do not devour usury doubled and redoubled". (Surah Ale Imran, 3:130). http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/17.htm (also in the document they take a couple of paragraphs to blame the j0oOOoos, and then talk about how Islam free's those that are enslaved?) I guess we can infer that Muslims, that are already breaking the rules in the Quran are also offended by Piggy Banks, or perhaps they're just offended, so YOU can't have one either!

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 04:22 PM (CcXvt)

11 When the killing starts, every musilm I gack is going to allah with pig ears and snout tacked onto his head.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 04:47 PM (0yYS2)

12 Death to Mia Hamm. Oh, and Death to America

Posted by: M'balz Es-Hari at October 24, 2005 05:02 PM (3OPZt)

13 When can we ban Muslims? I am offended by people that explode.

Posted by: Ariya at October 24, 2005 05:24 PM (noCGr)

14 The Router that provides connectivity to mypetjawa.mu.nu has now been greased with Pig fat, and two pork chops sit in its dual Gig-E interfaces. That should keep 'em out? ;|

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 05:33 PM (CcXvt)

15 I think I'll use rub lard onto my hands and go to the local mosque and shake hands with everyone. Ah hell, that wouldn't do much good, I've seen too many local muslims eating pepperoni & sausage pizza at a muslim owned deli.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 06:01 PM (0yYS2)

16 This is looking more and more like maybe a fabricated story. It's posted in the "religionnewsblog" and links to the Daily Telegraph.au index page which has nothing on the story. I did Google searches for some of the text that was ostensibly copied and pasted into the post and found nothing. Unless Google hasn't indexed it yet. That remains to be seen. I even searched the Telegraph's archives for the text string "piggy bank" - nothing. There's enough evil going on right now with real Muslim fanatics without having to make stupid stuff up like this.

Posted by: Oyster at October 24, 2005 06:23 PM (YudAC)

17 I was hoping a Brit would come in here and clarify this story. I don't believe it to be true. It's too silly.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 07:53 PM (rUyw4)

18 England gose into the absurd to appease the islamic fanatics they have just lost all common sense in england truely ADMARAL NELSON and WINSTON CHURCHILL must be spinning in their graves britian is control by a parlament of fools but as a old scotish saying gose THE LARDS ARE AS BAD AS THE LOONS but in this case the loons have more common sense and that means that PIGLET and PORKY will be concetered outlaws and no PIGGLY WIGGLY stores and then they will ban BRINGING HOME THE BACON and NO MORE HAM SANDWICHES and they will ban the book CHARLOTS WEB becuase of the pig WILBUR can charlot the spider spell out ABSURD in arabic?

Posted by: sandpiper at October 24, 2005 08:51 PM (swaoX)

19 Damn, Sandpiper, no more Wilbur, and no Piglet, and no more fatback, dry salt meat, bacon, pork roast, pork loin, ham, pig's feet, fried pig skins, chitlins, and cracklins. I don't wanna live, I tell you, so strap one of them vests on me and point me in the right direction.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 09:09 PM (rUyw4)

20 Golly gee. The people of Jewish heritage have the same prohibitions. So why is it now that everyone is concerned with pig-stuff? Could it be that the recently anti-pig Brits are fearful because violence has been threatened by those of the Moslem faith? Who has renounced these threats? I wonder what would have been said if the Jewish Defense League had been issuing similar threats. Just thinking out laud.

Posted by: AMR at October 24, 2005 09:33 PM (trr9q)

21 We should ask the Arkansas Razorbacks to change the name of their pig mascot to "Mo-Ham-Mud" just for the hell of it.

Posted by: Trambo at October 24, 2005 10:00 PM (ZMPdM)

22 Good one, Trambo!

Posted by: Oyster at October 25, 2005 09:50 AM (fl6E1)

23 Damn you Trambo, I'm offended that you though of that before I did!!! Welcome to the asylum, now choose the red pill or the blue pill.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 10:19 AM (0yYS2)

24 I am from England, & as said previously, they don't give piggy banks away anymore anyway. the Australian assoc press may have run the story, but that doesn't make it any more true! I can not find ANY reference to this in the British press, or on the Nat-west/Halifax websites - & I am a customer of both! Also, with the current mood in Britain, such a move would likely bank-rupt said banks, as muslims only make up 4% of the British population, & we just love voting with our feet when it comes to financial institutions, France or British traditions (which we would consider th piggy bank to be).

Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at October 25, 2005 12:48 PM (cZrVc)

25 Mrs. Aginoth, please tell me that the banning of Piglet was also a slanderous lie. Oh, the humanity! Or is that inhumanity? Well, just tell me about Piglet.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 03:33 PM (rUyw4)

26 Here's the latest, this from the BBC..... A West Yorkshire head teacher has banned books containing stories about pigs from the classroom in case they offend Muslim children. The literature has been removed from classes for under-sevens at Park Road Junior Infant and Nursery School in Batley. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2818809.stm

Posted by: traderrob at October 25, 2005 06:28 PM (3al54)

27 I'm lucky enough to be in an area of the M.E. where I can wear civvies once in a while. I have a Pink Floyd T-shirt that features a big ol' pink pig on the front. I'm positive that the locals have seen me wear it, but haven't heard of any angry seething and gnashing of teeth........yet. Are they just more tolerant of Western symbols here? Maybe it's because I'm armed.

Posted by: REMF at October 26, 2005 02:38 AM (RoDEC)

28 Yeah REMF, it's amazing how the presence of cold iron tends to douse the impassioned flames of damaged sensibilities.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 26, 2005 02:25 PM (0yYS2)

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Carnival of RINOs is up at LA libertarian. Yep heÂ’s back Hurricane and all.

Carnival of Liberty XVII starts tomorrow at Eriscgrumbles.

For your reading pleasure.

T Jefferson: When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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What is it about today? In keeping with todayÂ’s theme of stuff thatÂ’s just too stupid to believe.

Now Major league Baseball is upset with new ads for milk.

Yahoo News:The latest "Got Milk?" commercial hit a little too close to home for Major League Baseball. Poking fun at the league's steroid scandal, the television ad for the California Milk Processor Board talks about a player getting pulled from a game "after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance."

No eating if you enjoy it.

Imummb twobin boo swtuwfmm mua fawce mwusph owf uwpthet thombomby.

Classical Values:Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view,

War on Christmas.

FOXNEWS:No Santa, no Christmas carols, no red and green, no merry Christmas. It's not illegal, though amateur constitutional lawyers in positions of local power often think separation of church and state requires them to ban or banish Christmas. They are wrong.

In another striking example of tolerance see last weeks riot against Christians in Egypt were a young follower of the religion of Peace stabs a nun. DonÂ’t you feel like a big man now you stabbed a Nun.

BBC:On Wednesday, a Muslim man stabbed a nun in protest at the sale of a DVD of the play, staged at the church in 2003

Hat Tip IOERR

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Well, this should come as no surprise. Michael Ledeen concludes, in a recent article about group-induced idiocy:

The moral? Don't be surprised when the administration bungles the presentation of the Miers candidacy. They can't even make a convincing case for defending our coastline. Or our soldiers.

This stuff is stressful not only for those of us compelled to watch it, but even more so for those compelled to implement it. A case in point:

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There seems to be a resignation in this evening's papers and columns to the fact that Patrick Fitzgerald will be issuing indictments--probably of Scooter Libby and Karl Rove, maybe some other folks, who knows. One interesting thing in this useful Jed Babbin column (from which I borrowed the title of this post) is the notion that the indictments may not only cover perjury, but a more serious violation of the espionage act due to the mishandling of intelligence. I'm not sure that's within the ambit of Fitzgerald's commission, but hey, a crime is a crime.

We'll see. But security questions aside, the papers on the Right seem to be settling on a defense of "don't indict a politician just for politics." I'm sure I'll get the same talking points when Karl sends out my check (Rusty: please edit that last part out.)

Actually, that's a great segue into what I really want to say: If Karl Rove resigns, that will be sad. But it means very different things to the Left than to the Right. For lefties, Bush is dumb and evil, they reason; but his power must come from somewhere. They couldn't just keep getting beaten by this dumb guy, right? So this is where Rove fits in to today's leftist cosmology (or Kosmology?). Rove is Bush's Rasputin. He is the Brain, the Mastermind, the Man Behind the Curtain that keeps poor chimpy afloat. He's the fixer, the schemer, the string puller, sending out media talking points to the "digital brownshirts" and starting rumors. Get rid of Rove, they reason, and they will steal Bush's mojo.

Among the apolitical types, I think the freakish sacrificial glee will wear thin quickly. Not many people outside the Sheehanite shock troops really buy into that myth, and at its most interesting this scandal has nothing on BJ's in the Oval Office or missing teens in Aruba.

Over here on the right, I don't see Rove that way at all. Karl Rove is smart, and he's effective, and he's good at what he does. Full stop. If he goes, he'll be missed. But no one is irreplaceable. Rove's spot will be filled and the Administration will continue.

And they will continue to do well, not because they are brilliant, though there are many brilliant people working for this President, but because their ideas are the right ones. If they regroup and resolve to hold true to the ideas that Bush campaigned on, and that the American people endorsed, if they remember the lessons of Sept. 11 and keep vigilant, then I expect the Bush administration will continue its chain of successes and at worst Plamegate will end up like Iran-Contra--a little-regarded footnote to a great presidency.

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1 And they will continue to do well, not because they are brilliant, though there are many brilliant people working for this President, but because their ideas are the right ones. And also because their opponents are dumb.

Posted by: Rev. Pixy Blah de Blah at October 24, 2005 02:34 AM (RbYVY)

2 That was me. Just in case anyone didn't know.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 24, 2005 02:37 AM (RbYVY)

3 The real truth may never actually be known by the American public, but I, and others, have maintained for a very long time that: 1) Proving a violation of the IIPA was quite difficult; 2) The Nixon Rule - "The cover-up is always worse than the offense." What does this mean? Lying to the Grand Jury, perjury and obstruction of justice...those are quite possibly the charges of the indictments that could hit Rove/Libby etal. I wonder how many will fall into the same trap that Sen. Hutchinson did yesterday when she appeared on Meet the Press (with Tim Russert), downplaying the importance of the White House denials of Rove/Libby involvement in the CIA Leak Case. MR. RUSSERT: Senator Hutchison, you think those comments from the White House are credible? SEN. HUTCHISON: Tim, you know, I think we have to remember something here. An indictment of any kind is not a guilty verdict, and I do think we have in this country the right to go to court and have due process and be innocent until proven guilty. And secondly, I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn't indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. So they go to something that trips someone up because they said something in the first grand jury and then maybe they found new information or they forgot something and they tried to correct that in a second grand jury. I think we should be very careful here, especially as we are dealing with something very public and people's lives in the public arena. I do not think we should prejudge. I think it is unfair to drag people through the newspapers week after week after week, and let's just see what the charges are. Let's tone down the rhetoric and let's make sure that if there are indictments that we don't prejudge...[more] Malkin on the subject: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003765.htm More potential "spin": Republicans Testing Ways to Blunt Leak Charges http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/politics/24leak.html With a decision expected this week on possible indictments in the C.I.A. leak case, allies of the White House suggested Sunday that they intended to pursue a strategy of attacking any criminal charges as a disagreement over legal technicalities or the product of an overzealous prosecutor...[more] An "overzealous" prosecutor? Everything I've heard about Patrick Fitzgerald has described this man as a reputable prosecutor (this isn't Ronnie Earle and Tom DeLay). I expect deflection as well, pointing to the obstruction charges against WJC to minimize the possible obstruction charges against Rove/Libby.

Posted by: StormWarning at October 24, 2005 05:40 AM (85Vr/)

4 BURN ROVE BURN!!!!

Posted by: Kick the Retardlican Scroat! at October 24, 2005 06:01 AM (CX9+v)

5 This would be comical in normal times. But these are not normal times, and rather than have a nation united against the greatest threat to civilization since Hitler, we have a country that can hardly be governed. And this will not change if the Democrats regain power, because payback will be foremost on the Republican mind. Meanwhile, just like when headchopping riders came out of the desert in the 600's on the attack against the great powers of that time(Persia and Byzanthium), political and religious turmoil paved the way for the conquest. After Christian Palestine fell, the Christian kingdoms of north Africa fell to the invaders. A thousand years of jihad was to follow with tens of millions of people either killed or enslaved. Most Europeans have forgotton their history as the Visigoth Kingdom of Spain fell to the Muslim invaders in the late 600's. and the invasion of Europe was on. The Muslim invaders were stopped in 734 at Tours in France, but Muslim conquests in Italy, Sicily, France, Switzerland, Germany, Greece, Austria, Hungary, Serbia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Russia, and others continued with only the interuption of the Crusades for 1000 years.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 09:07 AM (rUyw4)

6 I still don't quite get how giving a reporter a warning to not look to deep you'll get into stuff you relly don't want to know don't report it. Then those reporters dont report it but some other one did. she was about four days from the rule not applying to her anymore. And what about the parper they were warned and it seems that's what he was trying to do warn them they didn't heed that warning so who really screwed up not Rove but that's life for ya do a favor and you get burned every time.

Posted by: Howie at October 24, 2005 09:09 AM (D3+20)

7 (here via Daou Report) Just curious, and call me crazy if you like, but which ideas exactly are working? The war? Homeland Security? Tax Cuts + Deficits? Social Security? Immigration? Energy Policy? Cronyism? Help me out. From this angle, it doesn't seem like there are any ideas at all outside of undoing 60 odd years of ours. And the president has power, not because he is smart or dumb, cunning or foolish, but because he is the President, and as such, the Constitution grants him certain powers that are his, and his alone. The fact that he is a mean-spirited, intellectual lightweight only goes to the success his power yields, not the existence of it. As for the Plame game, the policy issue, and political issues are certainly there. But neither trump the crime. That being the revelation of a NOC. Those that spout the "no harm, no foul" or "all's fair in politics" mantras are truly putting party ahead of country.

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 10:55 AM (H5l9d)

8 Troll post! Just so you know. Remind me again what ideas are the right ones that are going to save Bush? Ignoring intelligence warnings prior to 9/11? Invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? Lying about Saddam's WMDs and connections to Al Qaeda to justify that war? Destroying our moral standing in the world by allowing (or condoning) torture? At the least it's incompetence, at the worst war crimes. Cutting taxes for the rich and raising spending until we have massive deficits as far as the eye can see? Putting cronies in positions where people die because of their incompetence? Letting Tom Delay sell the House to the highest bidder? Bridges to nowhere - Oink Oink Oink! Letting Halliburton rip off OUR tax money and firing anyone who complains? $3 gasoline and $Billion tax breaks for Big Oil? Trying to appoint an incompetent crony to the highest court in the land? DeLay, Frist, Rove, Libby, Abramoff, Cheney, Taft, Fletcher, Rowland, Safavian, Noe, Cunningham, Ney, Ryan, Nordquist. (If I've missed anybody, I apologize. It's hard to keep up with all the investigations and indictments.) Yup - George is doing what he's always done - failing miserably. Unfortunately, Daddy can't buy him out of this one and the country is paying the price. It's getting harder and harder to read you guys and keep a straight face.

Posted by: Percy's PoP at October 24, 2005 11:01 AM (CMyz0)

9 Just so you liberal retards know, we don't give a good flying damn about your moronic opinions. You are all idiotic traitors who should be taken out and shot, and that's all the regard that you should be given. The only thing that gives me comfort is knowing that when the jihad comes to the streets of America, it will mostly happen in the larger cities, which just happen to be bastions of liberalism. Your precious warrious of allah, (pig's blood upon him), will be killing you idiots with gleeful abandon, and you'll be whining for mean old loyal Americans to save you. You all deserve to die for such stupidity as to play petty politics during a time of such great crisis.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 01:17 PM (0yYS2)

10 Improbulus, that was a pretty moronic post in addition to being about the most unAmerican thing I've seen from people like you in weeks. Tell me something: were republicans guilty of treason when they kept Clinton in a deposition answering questions about sex on the day he was 45 minutes late in his attempt to kill Osama bin Laden? Maybe if they had helped him he would have been successful. What do you think, Einstien?

Posted by: Bill at October 24, 2005 01:26 PM (5GOX4)

11 Oh, brother, now we know why Clinton didn't kill OBL. I'm damn glad to finally be finding that out. And don't come in here from the asylum at DU and Indymedia and start posting your propaganda. We all know how stupid you are, quit proving it with your retard comments. Percy, I laughed my ass off when I saw that nick, you're pathetic! You not having a straight face concerns me about as much as a piss ant. Now, go back to your little liberal asylum and play handses with, you know, your friends.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 02:32 PM (rUyw4)

12 jesusland joe: What is it with you yahoos and WWII ("... the greatest threat to civilization since Hitler)? You seem to be somewhat confused. WWII was a war against actual states who had declared war on the US and one of whom had actually attacked the US. That would be Japan, if you aren't following this. So we fought them. By contrast, we, the US, invaded Iraq, which had not declared war against us and had not attacked us. Of course, the war on Al Qaeda (the people who actually attacked us) has now lasted longer than WWII and the leader of Al Qaeda is still free. We get to watch our young men and women die in an apparently endless colonial war in a country which *didn't* attack us or even threaten us in any serious way. But apparently that distinction doesn't trouble you. C'mon, read a god damned book once in a while and leave the TV off.

Posted by: DoubleD at October 24, 2005 02:35 PM (z4S3y)

13 Improbulus, That's exactly the kind of calm, well reasoned response I've come to expect from the wingnutia whenever anyone points out that your emperor has no clothes. I thought Dubya was sending our sons and daughters to die in Iraq to make 'Merica safe. We're fighting 'em 'over there' so we don't have to fight 'em here. Remember? You really shouldn't let your wet dream of having your fellow citizens murdered get in the way of the RNC talking points. It shows a lack of party discipline. Really, you should be furious with your own elected leaders for doing such damage to your own cause - and our nation. Yes - it's OUR nation. Not yours. They are screwing up OUR nation. OURS - as in every man, woman and child who is a citizen. OURS - as in every Jew, Buddhist, Atheist, Christian AND Muslim who is a citizen. OURS as in every Black, Latino, Native, Asian, White AND mixed ancestry citizen. Our country was born out of love, not the hate you express. It was born of the love of Freedom, the love of Liberty. You really need to calm down and think about what you just posted. What would Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and the rest of the founding fathers think of what you wrote? What would Lincoln think? He fought the bloodiest war in our history to keep our nation together, and give ALL our citizens equal rights. You have every right to your opinion, as I do to mine, but I hope you stop and realize that such blind, fearful hatred as you just expressed doesn't hurt anyone but yourself.

Posted by: Percy's PoP at October 24, 2005 02:35 PM (CMyz0)

14 Yeah, Perce, first you call Maximus a nut without knowing one thing about him. He didn't even vote for Bush, but is a libertarian. And yet you jump to a conclusion based on what: your ignorance. And then you proceed to lecture him about America and being an American. Brother, you need to look in the mirror yourself, and try to see that plank stuck there. Maximus believes that radical Islam is the greatest danger to the Western World since Hitler, and he does support Bush in the battle against the radicals. I happen to agree with Maximus, and so do many others.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 02:44 PM (rUyw4)

15 DD, I'm a double geology/history major and have obviously read many books, perhaps more than you. Now, what book would you suggest? I just finished reading "Principles of Personal Defense" by Jeff Cooper this morning, and read "Jihad in the West" by Paul Fregosi last week. I highly recommend them both.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 02:51 PM (rUyw4)

16 always amazing when the liberal retards rush the gate: One minute they're saying this country was built on the genocide of a nation (when they're making a point of how evil America is) Then it's built on love, when they're trying to point out how evil you are.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 02:54 PM (CcXvt)

17 actually since you question maximus, about what the founding fathers thought: What would Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and the rest of the founding fathers think of what you wrote? What would Lincoln think? He fought the bloodiest war in our history to keep our nation together, and give ALL our citizens equal rights. How would they then feel about Abortion, gay marriage and elected black officials? you know, since you bought it up.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 03:01 PM (CcXvt)

18 Dave, Thank you for pointing out yet another bit of hypocrisy by the Left. "The nuances of hypocrisy by the Left know no limit".

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 03:03 PM (rUyw4)

19 Oh let's add on that whole Southern Democrat VS Civil rights movement stuff too.

Posted by: Howie at October 24, 2005 03:05 PM (D3+20)

20 Now this is funny. Double D or should I say Double Dumnass(it's pretty obvious that is what the D stands for) comes over here from the Communist Party of the USA to the Jawa and proceeds to give one of the lamest comments I have ever seen on a thread. He suggests that I read a gd'm book to learn what? That Japan attacked the US prior to WWII! Uh, I've read that book, it's called "The Rising Sun". Have you read it? I've also read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", have you? I'm thinking you should have read more of your schoolbooks, and perhaps you wouldn't be wasting your life at the Communist Party of the USA. That particular ideology you espouse has already been tried, failed miserably. How much money do you make over at Communist Party HQ, DD, and is that where you see yourself 20 years from now? My advise, go find yourself a real job and learn about economics in the real world. It would do you a lot of good, and your self esteem would go way up.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 03:38 PM (rUyw4)

21 Southern Democrats? What the heck do a bunch of red necks who called themselves democrats in the 1960's have to do with anything?

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 03:43 PM (H5l9d)

22 Joe: perhaps it's time to give communism another chance, it only killed 60+ million people, have we really made sure it failed??

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 03:52 PM (CcXvt)

23 I'll pass, Dave, and I think your numbers are low. Oh, you did add the + sign, so that covers a myriad of Communist murders. Hey, Buddy, back off that redneck talk! We still beat the crap outta smart ass Seattle punks even if we(Dallas) did lose to the Seahawks yesterday.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 04:07 PM (rUyw4)

24 JJ, just what does reading geology books have to do with understanding of terrorism and national security (ooops, I forgot, you're a history major too). When/if you try to match that with real life experience in homeland security or law enforcement, perhaps you book learnin' will do you some good.

Posted by: StormWarning at October 24, 2005 04:43 PM (85Vr/)

25 Hey Bill and Percy's Pop, which do you want, to be hanged as a traitor or beheaded as a kafir? If you don't like either of those choices, you could act like men, disregard politics, and stand with your own countrymen in a time of war, but I know you won't, because you're just chickenshit liberals.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 04:50 PM (0yYS2)

26 Uh, Mr. Stormwarning, how do you know what experience I have with Homeland Security or law enforcement, and do you attribute some particular experience or training to Double D?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 05:02 PM (rUyw4)

27 JJ- Well, why don't you hitch your trailer to a big truck and tow your sorry ass up here to beat the shit out of me yourself? Seriously. Where do you Southerners get that retarded false sense of superiority? You'd think you guys won the Civil War. You didn't. For a State that ranks last in just about everything, you'd think Texans, particularly, would show a little more humility. I will say it now for all to hear: Rednecks are not tougher than non-rednecks. The only way rednecks skew is dumber. Am I winning friends here or what?

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 05:08 PM (H5l9d)

28 LOL! you guys cry when your Starbucks latte, (low fat skimmed milk, with a whisp of cinnamon) hasn't got enough foam for you. The fact that half the blue states do more handwringing and bedwetting about gun control than the South means what? you guys will club the Southerners with sticks? Just joking before you go all Johnny Jihad on the south, I know that thought keeps me awake at night.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 05:27 PM (CcXvt)

29 Joe, I see these election stealing bath house warriors all day long up here in the People’s Republic. You don’t want to get into a cage fight with one of these latte drinking she men. When you start spilling his blood you may end up with a case of what Filthy calls “cupid’s measles” and not be able to cure it. If you want an exercise in free speech Seattle style, park your SUV with a W sticker somewhere in the North end. The little brown shirts will run there key up and down your door for daring to oppose abortion and sodomy.

Posted by: Brad at October 24, 2005 05:54 PM (3OPZt)

30 I love the we-have-guns-so-were-tougher-than-you argument. LOVE IT. I live in the same scary world you do. That I don't need a handgun under my pillow to sleep at night says less about my weakness than yours. I don't drink coffee. But, since you brought up gun control, here's my wishes on the subject: As an overview, the ownership of guns should be regulated just as the ownership and use of cars. Require proof of insurance. Register all guns. Prove you can read. Prove you can operate a gun safely. Prove you can see. Prove legal ownership anytime a police officer asks you to. Re-register all guns once per year. Re-prove you can still see every five years. Immediately report any stolen weapon. Make it a crime to leave a loaded weapon in an unlocked location. (in most jurisdictions it is a crime to leave the keys in an unlocked car) Additionally, require a license to purchase ammo. If you aren't registered as owning a .45, you can't buy .45 ammo. The state puts up a lot of laws to make it harder for criminals and children to drive cars. Yet we all do it. Same should be for guns. Certainly, gun owners can put up with a few hurdles to see that terrorists, and felons, and children have a more difficult time obtaining them. If you don't trust your countrymen to regulate your gun ownership, why they trust you to keep a house full of guns? I think law abiding citizens should be able to own guns, they should just have to do so above board. No right is absolute. The second amendment is no exception. Don't worry. The due process clause will keep us from seizing your guns in the middle of the night. (Jeeze you guys are paranoid) We still have the constitution you know. "You can have my gun when you pull it from my 10 year old's cold dead fingers."

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 05:56 PM (H5l9d)

31 Dave, This guy is just funny. I give him a little poke about being a Seattle punk, and he goes all balistic on me. He's a lawyer and a liberal, but all that talk about tolerance and diversity is just that, talk. Another hypocrit! Keep um coming, boys!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 05:58 PM (rUyw4)

32 How about we just register all flaming libtards so that they'll be easier to round up and exterminate when the time comes? Hey seattle you little bitch, guns don't make you tough, they simply make you armed, but then, libtards have a hard time with reality and tend to see everything in a childish way.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 06:03 PM (0yYS2)

33 I bet Hitler loved liberals like seattle slough who spews out : Register all guns. Re-register all guns once per year. Additionally, require a license to purchase ammo. If you aren't registered as owning a .45, you can't buy .45 ammo. Have you not worked out criminals don't obey the Law, idiot the only ones affected by your hairbrained liberal paranoia are Law abiding citizens.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 06:23 PM (CcXvt)

34 Somehow, all the links to al qaeda in Saddam's Iraq don't matter even a little to the left.

Posted by: Josh at October 24, 2005 06:24 PM (4e8Gp)

35 This is fun. I especially like the part where your gun must be locked up if it's loaded. "Hold on Mr. robber/rapist/murderer while I unlock this here cabinet/drawer/room and get my gun." And Mr. Seattle: The state only makes it hard only for law abiding people to own guns, not criminals. Ex-felons are not required to register their guns because there's that little thing called the fifth amendment. They'd be incriminating themselves to register a gun and they're not required to incriminate themselves, now are they?

Posted by: Oyster at October 24, 2005 06:40 PM (YudAC)

36 JJ - I don't think my musings count as "going ballistic." (not even a single exclamation point!!!!!!!!!!!) I am also not a hypocrite for your extrapolation of my beliefs as held up against your straw-man concept of a liberal. Sorry. IM - you seem to forget that in many states, you already do have to register your political affiliation, at least so far as political party coincides with same. So I don't know where your rounding-up-and-exterminating fantasies come from (well, actually I do, but I'm not one to call someone a Nazi - did I say that out loud? Oops) but you need some help, either that or your parents need to monitor your usage of their computer. If you are a grown man who talks like that, I pity you. Seriously. Get some friends already. As for calling me a "little bitch", I've certainly never had anyone say that to my face. Somehow I doubt you would either. But I suppose I will never know. If you want to take this pissing match off-board, feel free to send me an email. Seattleslough@gmail.com 'Little bitch' indeed. To all - So far I have not only critiqued the original post, but also, as a bonus, provided an overview of my idea of gun control. All I've gotten as a parry is insult. So far: Latte Drinking She-Man Little Bitch Seattle Punk Flaming Libtard Not impressed. Is this blog some type of Ezra Miller Jr. High School class project? How old are all of you? I mean, living up here in beautiful King County we already live under the impression that you conservative southerners are mouth-breathing, sister-raping, middle-school dropouts with strongly held and poorly formed religious beliefs. Sadly, nothing I have seen here, has improved that outlook. Sigh.

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 06:49 PM (H5l9d)

37 Wow, there sure are a lot of conservative morons on this board. Josh, there were no links between Saddam and al Qaeda. That's a right wing lie. According to our own CIA, the 9-11 Commission report and our own State Department reports, there was no relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda. The only terrorist of any note in Iraq was Zarqawi and our own military approached the Bush administration 3 times with plans to kill him. According to the Pentagon report published in 2003 by the Washington Post, the Bush administration did not want to strike Zarqawi because killing him would undercut their rational for invading Iraq. Zarqawi has gone on to cut off two Americans' heads and kill hundreds. If Clinton pulled a stunt like that, you'd all be calling for his resignation. The thing about most of you on this board is you absolutely think you know what's going on, but as far as I can tell trolling through your posts, you just don't know shit.

Posted by: Bill at October 24, 2005 06:54 PM (MU/J1)

38 hopefully my last comment. Oyster- your comment makes no sense. Why would an ex-felon be incriminating himself in anything. He has already been convicted! How much more incrimination does he need? Please don't lecture a criminal lawyer on the 5th Amendment. It just doesn't apply here. Anymore than a DUI felon trying to get his driver's license reinstated. The point of the proposed gun laws is not to eliminate all illegal guns. I will spell it out slowly so all can understand: I t i s t o m a k e i t a s d i f f i c u l t a s p o s s i b l e f o r c r i m i n a l s , i l l e g a l s , a n d t e r r o r i s t s t o p u r c h a s e g u n s. That it is a slight hassle for you, is immaterial. We have to take off our shoes to get on a plane. I have to empty my pockets every time I enter the courthouse. I deal. It is for the safety of others at the hands of others. But I recognize that the small hassle I have to deal with keeps all of us safer. Yes, lock your gun. A simple push-button lock takes less than two seconds to open but might keep your kid from killing his best friend or himself. I personally knew a guy who accidentally shot his best friend to death when he was about ten. He is one messed up dude. Don't want to lock your gun? Fine, you are then liable if a child gets his hands on it. Obviously if you are carrying the gun, you don't need to have it locked. But if it is in your home, and it is loaded, under the mattress ain't good enough. I fully realize that the gun laws I have outlined will not eliminate gun crime. I never suggested they would. They will reduce it however. Consider that essentially every gun ever improperly possessed by any criminal entered the stream of commerce legally at some point and was lost, stolen, or sold under the table. The least we can all agree on is that we should make that a little less common. If gun owners have to jump a hoop or two, they should shut up and jump.

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 07:14 PM (H5l9d)

39 ss, that's not my strawman, that's yours, the liberal. You claim to be a liberal. Is there a new concept of liberal out there that the rest of us don't know about? And your gun control plan could only have been thought up by a lawyer, that's for sure. I really don't mean to insult you, but that has to be one of the truly lame plans I have ever seen. What jurisdiction would even have the manpower to enforce such a proposal? Or even want to? I hate to "shoot" down your proposal, ss, but I give it about the same chance as a snowball in hell. Then you end your comment with a sophomoric rant about Southerners. What a little hypocrit you are!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 07:30 PM (rUyw4)

40 ss, Please make it your last comment. I honestly don't think I can stand any more of your hypocricy. I challenge you to prove your theory that your plan would reduce gun crime. Under the British model(which is very much like yours, is that a coincidence?), where all guns are either banned or in storage, the crime rate has increased dramatically and has passed that of the US. Anybody with a brain can see that the more gun control you have, the more crime you have. This has been proven time and time again. Disarm the citizen and you arm the criminal. Oh, by the way, the terrorists get their arms from states such as Yemen. What do you intend to do about that? That's what I thought, nothing!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 07:44 PM (rUyw4)

41 it is to make it as d i f f i c u l t a s p o s s i b l e f o r c r i m i n a l s After living in U.K for twenty years, and having a father who has registered firearms, I can attest that not only do criminals steal weapons from those whom are legally licensed, but they still possess firearms despite their legality, and their availability. A Criminal is already ignoring the law, stealing a licensed weapon is not a problem for them, nor is buying a black market weapon. Hitler disarmed the Jews, he is also believed to have used weapon registration lists in some of the conquored countries to disarm and kill those that would cause an insurrection. Registration also removes the whole premise of the right to bare arms, as a safeguard against not only a foreign enemy, but also a tyrannical Government. While some of your rules are for weapon safety, which I believe is a good issue as long as it does not interfere with the ability of deploying a weapon if the need arises (obviously safes, and trigger locking mechanisms are not a solution) the idea of giving the Government even more control over the suitability of a weapon owner is a flat bad idea, and we should just consider scrapping the right to bare arms first, even Hitler had a list of undesirables that should not own a weapon, and the Felon wasn't on the top of that list.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 07:47 PM (CcXvt)

42 that it is a slight hassle for you, is immaterial. We have to take off our shoes to get on a plane. I have to empty my pockets every time I enter the courthouse. I deal. It is for the safety of others at the hands of others. But I recognize that the small hassle I have to deal with keeps all of us safer. Anyone else remember the T-shirts people in New York were buying that said "No, you do not have the right to search me" when it was proposed to search the bags of all subway users after a mass bombing of the London transit system? Irony, but hey it's immaterial, we should all just submit to your ideas about gun control, when the blue states don't want a bag search to stop them becoming bio-splatter. safety my ass.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 07:54 PM (CcXvt)

43 JJ- Since you asked. Straw: It is your strawman, because you created him. It is your concept of what a "liberal" is. As if we are all the same. As if you even know me. Perhaps you need to look into what a strawman is. My sophomoric rant about southerners was the creation of a strawman. You are a southerner. That description is (hopefully) not you. It is much easier for me to create a straw-southerner to compare something to than to get to know you personally, and then make the same comparison. Get it? You created a liberal strawman who claims to be tolerant of all persons, even of ideologies. Nobody is tolerant of all ideologies. And I (emphasis on the I) certainly never claimed to be tolerant of them. So you label me with a word: "liberal," you announce what that word means: "tolerant," then call me a hypocrite for failing to live up to that meaning. Seems a bit unfair, no? Guns: What jurisdiction? The Federal one. A federally mandated program. Since guns cause injury, the feds could say: no federal funding for hospital emergency rooms unless your state government works with the ATF on this mandatory regulatory program. As always, it is the spending clause which acts as the stick/carrot. Of course it would only work if most of us agreed to do it. If everyone stopped registering their cars, there would be nothing the police could do about that as well. The authorities require 90% voluntary participation in all things. This would be no exception. In other words, the social contract applies. And I rarely correct spelling, but that is twice you misspelled the word 'hypocrite,' in the same way. So knock it off already. I don't really hate the south. I hate southerners acting like I should give a shit they come from the south. There is nothing inherently good or cool about being from anywhere. I am proud Seattle native, but I don't suggest that being a Seattle native makes me better, or tougher, or more authentic than anyone else. It just makes me a little better situated to comment on the Seattle area (and ostensibly a little worse situated to comment on everywhere else). Gotta run.

Posted by: seattle slough at October 24, 2005 07:54 PM (H5l9d)

44 Sorry to disagree with you again, ss, but there is something damn cool about being from Texas. Don't know why, but it is. Why do you think so many people come here and so many movies are made about Texas? It's a unique place, so unlike any other, and I'm sure Seattle is pretty and all that, but the people in Texas are special.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 08:12 PM (rUyw4)

45 Joe, I moved to Dallas nine years ago, I even have one of those I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could" bumper stickers

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 08:21 PM (CcXvt)

46 Smart move, Dave! Glad to have ya! Go get you a pair of boots, a cowboy hat, a big belt buckle, go dancing on a Saturday night and live the dream. If you haven't already, haha.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 08:33 PM (rUyw4)

47 Heh. The little man-bitch Seattle Squealer wants to bluff and posture on the internet? How very brave. Why can't morons like he and greg live close to me? Of course, it wouldn't help, because whenever I corner some little punk like them in the bar, they never want to go somewhere private to sort things out, they always say something to the effect that I'm lucky they have to go to work etc., etc.. Liberals are such a waste of matter. We should melt them down for their minerals, or compost them for fertilizer, at least then they'd be good for something.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 08:51 PM (0yYS2)

48 Maximus, Where is greyrooster?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 09:19 PM (rUyw4)

49 Rove is smart, effective, and evil. Good riddance to bad rubbish if the little fatso has to resign. As for "brilliant" people in the White House and the Administration at large... Ha! Ha! Look at the brilliant crowd's accomplishments in the past five years: a war of choice, unbelievably costly in terms of lives and dollars, no plan to win the war, and no exit strategy; a deficit as far as the eye can see, and growing; a total failure to pay attention to pre 9/11 memos about Al-Qaeda planning to use commercial aircrafts to attack American targets (Dubbya could not be disturbed: he was on the ranch, clearing brush); a culture of cronyism and incompetence that gave us the dismal failure of the government's response to Katrina; a culture of cronyism that is allowing Halliburton to rip off the taxpayer for billions of dollars,that has allowed the most pork-laden transportation bill in history to pass without veto, that has given billions of dollars in subsidies to the gas and oil industry at a time when rising energy prices are fattening said industries' bottom lines; a culture of cronyism that has put up an incompetent candidate for a life-long appointment to the Supreme Court... Brilliant, indeed. Keep your wallets open, totalitarian trolls, you'll be paying for your President and his imbecility for the best part of the century.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 24, 2005 09:26 PM (NvhA8)

50 EP, perhaps we should bring the soldiers home? so you and the rest of the kumbyyah crew can spit on them, and call them babykillers to their faces? you dirty fucking hippy.

Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 10:25 PM (CcXvt)

51 Dave, That won't happen again. I swear that the first prick who does that to an American soldier in my sight, and I will go to the airport to meet them if necessary, will regret it. If I have to go to jail, so be it. I've already prepared myself for that. And I am as serious about this as I have ever been about anything in my life.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 24, 2005 10:30 PM (rUyw4)

52 Wow. That you all tolerate the absolute garbage that absolute poseur known as Improbulus Maximus spews forth from that vagina he calls his mouth is a sad statement on what is considered acceptable here. Dude, you are so far out of your league, it ain't even funny. In absolutely every way imaginable. I question whether you are even old enough to go in a bar, to say nothing of harboring fantasies of cornering me in one and having me weasel out of a confrontation. Only pussies talk like you. Or boys. Which is it?

Posted by: seattle slough at October 25, 2005 01:05 AM (aGhCi)

53 Mr. Joe: I'm a double geology/history major and have obviously read many books, perhaps more than you. That sounds like the present tense...not as though you were a student once many years ago. I don't attribute any experience to either you or DD, while i know mine.

Posted by: StormWarning at October 25, 2005 04:46 AM (85Vr/)

54 Mr. Joe: I'm a double geology/history major and have obviously read many books, perhaps more than you. That sounds like the present tense...not as though you were a student once many years ago. I don't attribute any experience to either you or DD, while I know mine.

Posted by: StormWarning at October 25, 2005 04:46 AM (85Vr/)

55 Dave, You are a moron. Most people opposed to that imbecile war feel sorry for the troops. Like you and the rest of the fascist crowd, they have been fooled into going into that hellhole that is Iraq, by a bunch of draft-dodging, lying, incompetent, ideologues. Unlike you, however, they actually are putting their lives and limbs on the line. While you are war-mongering from the comfort of your living room, chickenhawk, the troops are actually doing the dirty work for you and your cowardly ilk. So, I support the troops. Even though they are being sent to their death by a bunch of imbeciles, they at least have the courage of their convictions. I'll never spit at the troops, but I'll gladly spit at the evildoers who sent them to a war to satisfy their base political aims. Go enlist, chickenhawk. You and your ilk are a disgrace to the United States and to its army. You people are so stupid that you cannot conceive of both supporting our troops who have been put in harm's way by destructive morons like you, yet, to be opposed to the war. Like your cretinous President, you cannot hold two thoughts together in your tiny brain.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 06:44 AM (h2HXW)

56 EP: You sir, are a marvel, in all my years on the internets have I ever seen such a metal giant! Tell me are you some sort of "sword of truth" for the Democrats, because you sure crushed me with your arguments: Chickenhawk? did you think that up all by yourself? Although your inference seems illogical, after all, I'm sure you support Abortion because you've actually had a fetus scraped out of your Vagina, correct? otherwise by your train of thought -- unless you have actually experienced something you cannot support, nor comment upon it? The fact is, while you people are talking about "supporting" the troops out of one side of your big mouths, the other side is slandering troops. For example you talk about attacking the policy makers, and supporting the troops so: Tell me what policy makers were being attacked when your crowd placed coffins and chanted at wounded soldiers recouperating in Walter Reed hospital, attacking wounded soldiers? You talk about shame? so now you're saying wounded soldiers make policy? What soldiers are being supported by carrying fake coffins in a veterans parade? you think they need a reminder of their sacrifice? by you of all people? by your refence to me "enlisting" to support something, one could ask if you want to carry coffins and remind us all of a soldiers sacrifice, the question should be why have you not enlisted?

Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 07:11 AM (CcXvt)

57 Go enlist instead of spewing your cowardly tripe. You chickenhawks, are all for warring as long as OTHERS get killed or maimed. You love nothing better than conducting a war by proxy. I hope that the returning troops spit IN YOUR FACE. YOU are the ones who are putting them in harm's way because you don't have the guts to go yourself. You would rather sit on your fat asses, swill your beer, and repeat the dumb propaganda from your draft-dodging Masters, like the unthinking automatons that you are. . I repeat: you are a disgrace to the country and to its troops. And I hope that the courageous men and women who are putting their asses on the line for your cowardice hold you accountable for the atrocities they are suffering in your stead.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 08:31 AM (NvhA8)

58 As usual, you come here and spit your vitriol, completely ignoring facts, or reason. Tell me why is it you avoid my points and continue to throw out the "chickhawk" hyperbole, is it because that is all you have? You have completely ignored my comments about how your crowd treats the troops, and the use of the "chickenhawk" strawman as debate is worthless. This of course is deliberate: You and your kind have nothing original to add to any debate but the usual "chickenhawk" propaganda , which would be great if it was an original thought but you're just throwing it out like the "automaton" you accuse others of being. Bravo, genius.

Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 09:12 AM (CcXvt)

59 "Yes, lock your gun. A simple push-button lock takes less than two seconds to open but might keep your kid from killing his best friend or himself." Ah. If I have kids in the house. Which I don't. I thought you were making it as an all around statement.

Posted by: Oyster at October 25, 2005 10:17 AM (fl6E1)

60 How are the administrations ideas "the right ones"? How is the war in Iraq the "right idea"? Who still believes that? Ask George Will.

Posted by: Becky at October 25, 2005 10:17 AM (Y37cU)

61 Jesusland Joe and Improbulus Maximus. I wasn't able to get back in the stream yesterday but I wanted to get back to something. Improbulus, Joe defended you saying you think we're in a war with radical Islam. And therefore you support Bush, and anyone who doesn't is a traitor, etc. OK - If that's so, why do all your posts talk so enthusiasticly about killing Liberals? Liberals did not fly planes into the WTC and Pentagon. Your vulgar, excessive rants about Liberals indicate a level of hatred most of us reserve for OBL - the person responsible for 9/11. They put you out there in the lunatic, knuckle-dragging fringe. Beating up Liberals at the bar may make you feel good, but it's hardly an effective policy for stopping terrorists. And - if you believe Radical Islam is the greatest threat since Hitler, why do you support Bush in his idiotic invasion of Iraq? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, OBL or al Qaeda. Iraq was ruled by an evil, nasty, SECULAR Saddam, but invading and occupying Iraq has HURT the fight against radical Islam. Pulling our forces out of Afghanistan HURT our ability to fight al Qaeda and the Taliban there. Invading and occupying Iraq has CREATED a whole new training ground for al Qaeda. Osamma is probably laughing his turban off at our stupidity while he sends more suicide bombers to kill our troops. I stand by our troops (my son is a Marine) with all my heart. I do NOT stand with the bastards who lied about the reasons for sending my son into danger. I do NOT stand with the criminal graft and corruption that pays $Billions to Halliburton, but can't find a few $Million to provide my son and the rest of the troops with body armor. I do NOT stand with scum who would destroy the career of a NOC to protect their lies. You can wish for my bloody death all you want, but in doing so you are becoming the very thing you profess to hate - a freedom-destroying zealot who wants to impose his world-view on all who disagree. How is that different from the Taliban? Support the Troops - Bring them home alive! PS - Nobody's come up with a list of all those wonderful Republican "right" ideas. That's because there AREN'T ANY!

Posted by: Percy's PoP at October 25, 2005 10:18 AM (CMyz0)

62 Quothe Percy's PoP: "Improbulus, Joe defended you saying you think we're in a war with radical Islam." Implying that you think we're not? "And therefore you support Bush, and anyone who doesn't is a traitor, etc." No, dumbass, I support THE PRESIDENT who is LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY you moron. I stand with MY COUNTRY against THE ENEMY who are muslims and their supporters, like you. "OK - If that's so, why do all your posts talk so enthusiasticly about killing Liberals?" Because liberals support the enemy, it's simple really. You're either with us, meaning the nation as a whole and those who love it, or you're with the enemy. "Liberals did not fly planes into the WTC and Pentagon." No but you expend endless effort on the behalf of those who did. You support the enemy, and should all be killed. "Your vulgar, excessive rants about Liberals indicate a level of hatred most of us reserve for OBL - the person responsible for 9/11." That's assuming that liberals hate Osama, which you don't. You liberals love your murdering psychotic dictators, and no amount of your lies can hide that fact. Liberals expended more effort to keep Saddam in power than has ever been done for any person in the history of the world. Why do liberals love murdering dictators? "They put you out there in the lunatic, knuckle-dragging fringe. Beating up Liberals at the bar may make you feel good, but it's hardly an effective policy for stopping terrorists." No but it is a good policy for shutting the crapweasels up. I'll gladly drag my knuckles across your treasonous mouth any day, but liberals never want to fight, unless it's to beat up an old lady or something. Cowards, the lot of you. "And - if you believe Radical Islam is the greatest threat since Hitler, why do you support Bush in his idiotic invasion of Iraq?" Gee, I don't know, maybe because Saddam supported terrorists ? You fucking idiot. Saddam financed at least three or four terrorist organizations, maybe more, and was no less a part of global terrorism than Osama, and that's not even mentioning the fact that he murdered his own people by the hundred of thousands. Idiot. "Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, OBL or al Qaeda." Sure thing, idiot. "Iraq was ruled by an evil, nasty, SECULAR Saddam..." So secular dictators who cause the deaths of millions are okay then? "...but invading and occupying Iraq has HURT the fight against radical Islam." Yeah, it hurts so bad that al Qaeda is destroying itself fighting the most powerful military in the world there. Idiot. "Pulling our forces out of Afghanistan HURT our ability to fight al Qaeda and the Taliban there." I guess that's why Afghanistan is mostly peaceful now, and has had two successful elections, because we're failing. God I hate liberals, you're all such a bunch of morons. "Invading and occupying Iraq has CREATED a whole new training ground for al Qaeda." You mean a slaughtering ground, don't you? Oh that's right, to liberals, everything that's good for America is bad. "Osamma is probably laughing his turban off at our stupidity while he sends more suicide bombers to kill our troops." Yeah, he's really living it up in that cave up in the mountains. You like the thought of him laughing at us, don't you? And you wonder why I say all liberals should be killed off. Thank you for proving my point. "I stand by our troops (my son is a Marine) with all my heart." Bullshit. Just as soon as liberals learned that spitting on the troops was causing them to lose public opinion, every one of you goddamn old stinky hippies started loving the soldier but hating the war. Give it up, we know you for what you are. "I do NOT stand with the bastards who lied about the reasons for sending my son into danger. I do NOT stand with the criminal graft and corruption that pays $Billions to Halliburton, but can't find a few $Million to provide my son and the rest of the troops with body armor. I do NOT stand with scum who would destroy the career of a NOC to protect their lies." You forgot to mention the JOOOOOOOOOS, or to say DEATH TO AMERIKKKA!!! "You can wish for my bloody death all you want, but in doing so you are becoming the very thing you profess to hate - a freedom-destroying zealot who wants to impose his world-view on all who disagree." No, I just want to kill liberals. "How is that different from the Taliban?" They would kill you too, so why do you support them? "Support the Troops - Bring them home alive!" Save the Seals - Club a Liberal! "PS - Nobody's come up with a list of all those wonderful Republican "right" ideas. That's because there AREN'T ANY!" Heh, that's a pretty lame ending, you'd have been better off leaving on the previous line. Let me summarize my position again: Liberals suck, and should all die, because they always have, do now, and always will support the enemies of America, so fuck you very much. And as for Seattle Suck; Waaaah little bitch.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 10:40 AM (0yYS2)

63 "Let me summarize my position again: Liberals suck, and should all die, because they always have, do now, and always will support the enemies of America, so fuck you very much. And as for Seattle Suck; Waaaah little bitch." Does anyone on this thread know how old IM actually is? I would guess 17 but I'd be curious to know. As for supporting the enemies of America, I don't support you, so there goes that theory. Liberals aren't the blame America first crowd. They are the fix America first crowd. Because America is what we have legitimate control over. Where have I seen such a sentiment? Oh yes, the Holy Bible. Liberals are all about getting their own house in order before trying to tell everyone else what to do. Mouth-breathers like you live in a cartoon world where people are inherently good or evil and the U.S. can do no wrong. It simply isn't true, and if this war and the intelligence mistakes/fraud that led up to it aren't proof of that, you cannot be helped. Though the Republican Party claims to be the Party or Christian Values™, they are only nominally so. It is the liberal half of this country follows the teachings of Christ far more closely than the other. http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptTheChristianParadox.html It is as if the Christian Right has never even read the entire Bible. I mean, fer chrissakes, if I thought that God had actually written a book, I think I would have found the time to read it. As I have said before, if I thought Steven King was God, I would have finished the Dark Tower, rather than stopping after Book Two. But seriously, you still want to call me a 'little bitch?' Fine, then lets find out where YOU live, since you are clearly unwilling to come to Seattle. Is it Princeton, Illinois? I do travel as a part of my job from time to time. Let me know where you live, and then I can drop you an email if I am ever in town. Don't worry, I am not a stalker or a violent felon or a sexual predator. I am just curious to see if you'd really call me a 'little bitch' to my face. I seriously doubt it, but as even the most litigation shy attorney knows, sometimes you just have to teach people a lesson. Don't be a pussy. Do it. City and State. Otherwise everyone here will know what a poseur you are. (though I suspect they already do).

Posted by: seattle slough at October 25, 2005 11:29 AM (H5l9d)

64 "The Right Ones" 1. WMD in Iraq 2. Finding Osama 3. Social Security "reform" 4. Harriet Miers! 5. Leaking CIA Secrets Oh, I'm sorry, Bush campaigned on Compassionate Conservativism, but that was just a Neocon shell game, now wasn't it? Yeah, this administration is full of bright people with the right ideas! Speaking with the dead, Necromancer

Posted by: necromancer at October 25, 2005 12:53 PM (fcGkj)

65 See-Dubya; "...its chain of successes"? Where the hell are YOU? TATOOINE?

Posted by: Ro-Man XP47 at October 25, 2005 02:00 PM (nR2PH)

66 I'm staying at 2802 So. 41st Street, Abilene, Texas, the rest of the week, ss, if you want to know where I'm at. I'll be there on business. You can meet me at Cowboys right off I-20 by the Mall of Abilene. If you want to. I can't come to Seattle, sorry.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 03:49 PM (rUyw4)

67 Necormancer, 1. All the intelligence agencies said it was there. Saddam admitted he would restart the program after sanctions- B 2.Very difficult to find Osama. Clinton turned down the handover of OBL to US- B 3.All us younger people lose by not getting SS reform- A- 4.Harriett Miers- yep, she ain't conservative enough. F 5.No CIA "secrets" were leaked. Plame was not a covert agent, so the question was moot. B Kind of a mixed bag for us conservatives. Miers should be tossed for a real conservative so that we can eliminate most abortions, throw our stupid environmental laws, stop affirmitive action, allow prayer in schools, allow Christian symbols to be displayed, etc. I could think of many more, but hey, why be greedy.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 04:21 PM (rUyw4)

68 The righnutters have religiosity coming out of their asses but they would not recognize Jesus if they stumbled upon him. "Love thy neighbor"? not for that crowd. They hate everybody who does not goose-step along with them. They support the war but they cannot spare a dime for the troops. I oppose the war and I give money to various charities who deal with the familes of reservists who cannot make ends meet because the principal bread-earner is putting his/her live on the line for those chickenhawks. I have given money to a friend of mine whose sons (two of them) needed night goggles and other life-saving equipment because the incompetents at the Pentagon cannot even equip our troops properly. Meanwhile, the chickenhawks are war-mongering from the safety of their living room. They love war, as long as someone else fights it! These people are un-American. THEY are the traitors, and the troop-haters. They are a disgrace to America. I hope that when the troops come home -- when the corrupt, amoral, draft-dodgers in the Administration finally figure out how to win this war -- they will hold the chickenhawks accountable. I hope they will spit in their face and denounce them for what they are: a bunch of blood-thirsty cowards. The troops are the victims of an ideologically demented Administration, and of chickenhawks who keep howling for blood and torture. They are so stupid that they do not even realize that by condoning torture, they are putting our troops even more at risk than they already are. Christians, my foot! They are America's Taliban.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 04:41 PM (nlWFp)

69 Hey, Mr. Evil Progressive, if we were the Taliban, you would be dead. So please stop with the invective, as you just show yourself to be a stooge for the traitors. And I'll bet you are a liar. You wouldn't give anything to our troops, or if you did, it would probably be poisoned, so don't try to act as if you are some kind of saint. As for the troops, most of them are from the red states, most of them from the blue states voted red, and almost all the officers and NCO's are red. I talk to them every day of my life, and they know who their enemy is here at home. And you can say what you want, Mr. Evil, but if the troops come home from this war with the job undone, I think they will blame you liberals. And I don't know what they might do, but I'll be with them, just like I am now. So shut your stupid trap, and quit your yapping and yammering. You are an embarrassment to our country. Now go back to your hole, you little worm!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 04:58 PM (rUyw4)

70 JJ, I wasn't talking to you, but thanks for the offer. I was speaking to the person I quoted. Improbulus Maximus. He is the idiot who keeps calling me a 'little bitch' and wishing death upon me and all of my friends and family. I got no problems with you. Certainly nothing I would consider going out of my way to resolve. Order me a Jack rocks and a schooner of something cold and cheap. And since the jukebox at a place called Cowboy's is probably all country, nothing from the Reagan era or beyond. Multinational corporations and country music is a terrible terrible combination.

Posted by: seattle slough at October 25, 2005 05:06 PM (H5l9d)

71 Of course, a moron like Jesusland Joe could not possibly conceive of people giving money to support the troops out of genuibe compassion and care. Neanderthals like him, and the rest of the chickenhawks, have a one-track tiny little mind. Compassion? That's one brand of Christians who does not know the word. Get ready, Jesusland Joe, for the return of all those heeroic men and women who, unlike you, have the courage of their convictions. They will ask you why you did not put your money where your dumb mouth is. People like you are despicable cowards. You are the ones who give America a bad name. You are bottom-feeders scumbags. I hope you can sleep at night, while the troops are getting blown up on roadsides, so that you can satisfy your pathetic thirst for blood from your armchair. You shut up. You are not worthy of being an American. America was not built by mindless, mean-spirited, cowards.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 05:08 PM (nlWFp)

72 And by the way, Mr. Jesusland Joe, unglue yourself from the fair and balanced Fox News once in a while. The Taliban is -- unfortunately -- not dead. It is actually thriving in many parts of Afghanistan. Courtesy of yet another giant tactical fuck-up by the moronic incompetents in the Administration... Jesusland Joe, indeed! People like you -- theocratic totalitarian dictators -- are the bottom of the barrel in this society. You are the antithesis of everything this country stands for. You are the American Taliban.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 05:19 PM (nlWFp)

73 You didn't build America, that's for sure. And I'm no coward. I posted my address right here on this thread, for anyone to see, hardly coward like. And you have no idea what I have done, because I have sent money, spent hundreds of hours volunteering, packaged hundreds of care boxes, e-mailed our local National Guard every day they were in Iraq, and count many of them as my close friends. What you just said proves you know nothing about our troops. They don't think at all like you, that's for sure. ss, I drink Lone Star longnecks at Cowboys, and would be happy to have a drink with you anytime. My treat.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 05:27 PM (rUyw4)

74 Dear Impotentus Minimus, You made my points better than I could have hoped. You want me dead, the Taliban and al Qaeda want me dead. And the difference is????? I don't want you to kill me and I don't want them to kill me. Since I am opposed to you both, that must make you a supporter of the Taliban. That makes just as much sense as your hatefull rants. Slither back to your cave until you grow up and learn a little civility.

Posted by: Percy's PoP at October 25, 2005 05:33 PM (MJ1Ty)

75 "chickenhawks" "Fox news" "new taliban" does this evil progressive guy have anything original to add? what next "trailpark" and "Nascar" references? He reminds me of a Dog, that will eat any feces it finds -- then procedes to vomits all over your lawn. Got anything else to regurgitate in the thread, perhaps a turd you snacked on over at dailykos?

Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 05:42 PM (CcXvt)

76 Uh, Mr. Evil(an apt name I might add), I have a few words for you. Kettle, Pot, Black. Mean-spirited, Mr. Evil, you accuse me of, but a reading of your comment will hardly show you to be anything but the same. Yes, Mr. Evil, hate has taken you in tow, and where will it leave you? A small, evil little man? you are, Evil. My grandpa had a term that fits you, Mr. Evil. He always said that one piece of chicken shit would ruin a whole barrel of ice cream, and you, Mr. Evil, are that chicken shit he was talking about. Have a nice day!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 05:52 PM (rUyw4)

77 IM You are an incredible moron. A total idiot. And if you were such a tough guy, wouldn't you be out fighting someone. What are you doing on a political blog. You do the conservative movement a disservice by your mere existence. You must be a pussy. Only a pussy would spend so much time self-aggrandizing by talking hard to a bunch of people in another state. Nice name too. Douche bag.

Posted by: Joe Chicago at October 25, 2005 05:52 PM (9+hGc)

78 Yeah, Joe-Six-Pack Jesus, don't try to cover your sorry cowardly ass now. You are suddenly making up all these "charitable" acts... Nice try. Your ilk is pathologically incapable of charity and compassion. Your moral fabric is non-existent. That much is evident from your rantings. You sound like the demented draft-dodgers that you elected: all huff, puff, self-righteousness, and religiosity. But doing right by the troops that you sent to be butchered under false pretense, hey, that is a different story. Keep your beer, you are going to need it. This time around, the troops are being welcome home, because the people who oppose this unbelievably costly war also know that the troops were FOOLED into putting their lives on the line by an Administration that did not give a damn about how many lives it would destroy in the pursuit of purely political gains. And, you and the rest of the chickenhawks, bear responsibility for the dead, the maimed, and the ruination of so many families. You people have no morals and no conscience. And you call yourselves Patriots? You are agents of destruction, hence TRAITORS.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 06:04 PM (nlWFp)

79 Speaking of chicken shit, Joe-Six-Pack and the rest of the Nazis who inhabit this blog, you could not have found an apter term to describe yourselves. Not only are you chickenhawks, dumbly absorbing government propaganda while swilling your beer and interminently switching to NASCAR, you are SHIT. People who cheer for blood while not putting their asses on the line for what they supposedly believe in are beyond contempt. Keep it up, cowards. I guarantee you that some Iraqi vet will at some point demand accountability for your criminal stupidity.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 06:16 PM (nlWFp)

80 "chickenhawk" squawk, squawk "chickenhawk" "beer" "nascar" squawk, squawk -- flap, flap is that all you've got, turd-eater? The only Vet that's going to ask for accountability is from the people in your crowd, the "heroic" anti-war crowd: The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since March. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton." The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Washington, D.C., police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in northwest D.C., about five miles from the White House. Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represent the death toll in Iraq. This guy talks for the crowd that attacks wounded soldiers in their sickbeds then calls you a traitor!

Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 06:23 PM (CcXvt)

81 Progressive, I like you and want you to be one of my Sunni posse. I know youÂ’re no chicken hawk, so just drop by the old triangle and weÂ’ll set you up with your own RPG and copy of the Koran. Oh by the way, when you get here donÂ’t tell the home boys you bat from the wrong side of the plate and bite your pillow back home. I understand from my travels in urban America that this is common. However, one of the boys named Hidda Slami is a little conservative. Last year he cut the head off his own cousin when cus tried to knock on the back door of his tent. If your lucky, we can get you strapped to a bomb and when you detonate it in the square full of Shiah women and kidsÂ…..poof 72 virgins for you . Oh I forgot, the 72 virgins are women. Progressive, are you still sure you want to come? Oh, by the way, Death to America!!!

Posted by: M'Balz Es-Hari at October 25, 2005 06:52 PM (3OPZt)

82 Evil, Why do you wait on the Iraqi veterans to do anything, Evil? My address is on this thread, so I welcome you to come and talk to me anytime you want, and call me chickenshit to my face, if you are man enough. I hope you have the courage, but I doubt it.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 07:22 PM (rUyw4)

83 I'm waiting for a response, Mr. Evil. If it would suit you better, you can leave your address, and I will meet you on your ground, and you can call me chickenshit to my face. No man has ever done that before, but hey, there's a first time for everything.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 07:52 PM (rUyw4)

84 Ha! Ha! Watch the chickenhawks running around with their head in their asses! Why don't you enlist? Would it not be putting your money where your mouth is? Are you so afraid of being blown up for your convictions? Or is it that, like Chickenhawk Cheney, you have other priorities? War is great when you can cheer from the sidelines, is it not? Shut up, cowardly low-lives. You are killers by proxy. Killers of our troops that is... You don't like being called chickenhawks and cowards, now, do you? Suck it up. That's what you are. Sub-humans. Irresponsible creatures. Cowards. TRAITORS to the ideals of this great Republic! Unfit to claim American citizenship. An insult to our troops.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 07:54 PM (nlWFp)

85 I see that Mr. Evil talks a good game, but he is a coward. That's exactly what I thought. Go away, little man. Maybe I will see you sometime, sure do hope so.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 07:58 PM (rUyw4)

86 I think Marcus over at DailyKos just pinched another loaf. You'd best get a taste of that pile while it's still fresh and get some new material, then come back?

Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 07:58 PM (CcXvt)

87 Hey Joe-Six-Pack-Jesus, You have no answer, now, do you, when I am telling to go put your money where your dumb and cowardly mouth is? You and your ilk will be paying for your cowardice and meanness for a long time. Just watch. Retribution is coming. And it won't be pretty. War-mongering cowards will be exposed for what they are: slimy lower forms of life.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 08:07 PM (nlWFp)

88 That's just talk, Mr. Evil. I think it's time for action between you and me, cause I done talked enough. I mean it.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 08:09 PM (rUyw4)

89 Does anyone out there know where this Evil Progressive shit is from?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 08:12 PM (rUyw4)

90 Goodbye, cowards. I have had my fun with you. 'tis now time to move on to more interesting people. Pleae do not piss or defecate out of fear when on your way out the enlisting office. I know your plumbing is weak, but,really, do not embarass the troops any more than you have already done.

Posted by: Evil Progressive at October 25, 2005 08:14 PM (nlWFp)

91 Don't know Joe been watching though, he is quite evil.

Posted by: Howie at October 25, 2005 08:23 PM (D3+20)

92 lol who didn't see his exit coinciding with Joe's gutcheck. I don't advocate violence against "Evil Progressive" in fact I feel sorry for him being so emancipated from his own male genitalia, that he feels the need to walk away from every challenge. HINT EP: Were you raised by a single Mom? You might have forgotten to ask her to hand you your testicles back from her handbag, when you left to get your Liberal Arts degree.

Posted by: dave at October 25, 2005 08:27 PM (CcXvt)

93 Well, sorry, Howie, but I'm pissed. That little shit accused me of killing our troops, and I can take a lot, but that put me over the edge. I would have kicked his ass if I could have gotten my hands on him. Anyhow, I'm headed out for a cold one. Best of regards to all the regulars, even Greg.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 25, 2005 08:34 PM (rUyw4)

94 nothing to be sorry abouy JJ pretty good trolls or troll, sorry fascinating. closing in on one hundred.

Posted by: Howie at October 25, 2005 08:45 PM (D3+20)

95 Oh this is great. I was going to reply to every snivelling douchebag individually, but I suffer from an excess of dementia libtardia, and don't have the time, so I'llbriefly summarize. Seattle Slut, you're so brave to make threats on the internet. Since you asked, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee, and I'll make you the same offer as any other libtard: If you want to fly in, I'll pay your ticket back, and we can go somewhere private to work things out, then I'll drive you back to the airport after you get bandaged up. Percy's Pop and the rest of you idiots, do you actually think that your pathetic whines and childish insults have any effect? Your feeble attempts at ascerbic wit serve to liven the place up, nothing more. I love how you morons always bring up Jesus and the GOP as if that's going to cut me deep, but I'm an atheist libertarian, so you not only missed your mark, you're about 180 degrees off. And who was it said something about enlisting? That's really funny, consdering that libtards are scared of their own shadows but they want others to serve in their stead. I did enlist, and I'm a ten year Army man and a Desert Storm veteran, and I served while Komrade Klinton systematically tried to destroy the military. But ya know what? I followed his orders, because HE WAS THE PRESIDENT YOU TREASONOUS DOUCHEBAGS. You idiot scum will never understand until the jihadotards' knives are on your necks, then you'll cry for us to come save you. Don't call me though, I'll be too busy downloading the video of your beheadings.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2005 09:57 PM (0yYS2)

96 Evil progressive: AFTER CAREFULL CONSIDERATION I HAVE DECIDED YOUR ARE AN ASSHOLE. Just another low life loser who picked the wrong side. Go away, you half breed little prick. This is the Jawa Report. You are not worthy to post here.

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(Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) According to a report in the Arab News, an unnamed source said yesterday that a sweep of a Riyadh neighborhood resulted in the arrest of 13 terror suspects believed to be members of al-Qaeda. Notably, the group is primarily boys under 16, one is a 13-year-old boy, and one is the brother of an al-Qaeda member who is on the government's most-wanted list.

Notwithstanding the importance of rounding up any and all terror suspects, a rational observer has to be somewhat skeptical of the Saudi anti-terrorism commitment given the following:

The arrests in Riyadh coincided with reports of the release of a number of suspects involved in terrorist operations who had given shelter to terrorists after they repented their wrongdoing, said Abdul Mohsen Al-Obaikan, a member of the Shoura Council and the committee of scholars assigned to hold dialogue with the militants.

Consequently, it seems that the Saudi efforts to combat terrorism are more cosmetic than substantive. The efforts are also inconsistent since the Saudis have historically chopped off body parts for less significant crimes. If the terrorists lost a body part every time they were implicated, I guarantee that the glory and honor of terror would be greatly diminished and recruiting would suffer dramatically. No longer would people be predisposed to worship the memory of glorious martyrs in heaven enjoying their 72 virgins. Instead, they would see the martyr-in-training with one arm, one leg, or better yet, missing his manhood. In fact, the loss of manhood would be the recruiting deal-killer since the promised reward of 72 virgins would be meaningless. That is, unless the martyr-in-training found it appealing to have 72 women that he couldn't mount chewing on his ear for eternity.

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Because I'm very sensitive to the fact that someone out there wants to saw my head off.

Saddam tied to Al-Qaeda by UN FOXNEWS:

New details of how dark the scandal could prove to be have emerged from the private sale of IHC on June 3, 2005, just as the procurement scandal was about to break. It now appears that while doing business with the U.N., IHC had links both to Saddam HusseinÂ’s old sanctions-busting networks, and to a Liechtenstein-based businessman, Engelbert Schreiber, Jr., known among other things for his ties to a figure designated by the U.N. itself as a financier of Al Qaeda

See: Dr Sanity.

So this explains why Saddam refused to give up old Zaqueery. IÂ’m very sensitive to the fate of those people in Iraq so Saddam should HANG after a fair trial. Also the trial should be blasted loudly day and night and be on Iraqi Nightline every freaking day for two years.

Michael Yon Reports on Iraqi Elections.

Yon:My dispatch entitled “Purple Fingers," covering the Iraqi Constitutional Referendum is finished. An excerpted version will be published in “The Weekly Standard” on Monday, 24 October 2005. The complete dispatch will be published here on the same day. On the evening before “Purple Fingers” is published, Sunday October 23rd, I will conduct a live radio interview from Iraq. Listeners can tune in over the Internet at 9:20 pm EST. For information about the program.

Hat Tip: Instapundit.

As you recall Michael is an embedded reporter in Iraq who reports on his blog. So donÂ’t miss that blog. Mr. Yon always has great photos and great stories. He's not one of those other kind of reporters whom IÂ’ll not link. Plus he seems kind of sensitive.

Religion of Peace targets comic strips wants piglet dead.

But come on he’s such a tiny animal. I’m so sensitive and stuff so those who hate piglet must DIE! Why you ask? I’ll tell you why, because they are not all sensitive like me. Speaking of me being all sensitive and stuff click here to see Howie in action. Select “Completely Understandable Breakdown”. Now if you will excuse me I'm going to go weld some stuff in the rain barefoot and shirtless.

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(Lagos, Nigeria) A Bellview Airlines Boeing 737 took off in bad weather from Lagos for the capital Abuja at 7:50pm local time (1450EDT) and quickly vanished from the radar. The flight carried 110 passengers and six crew members.

Hours later, the wreckage was found near the small community of Kishi, about 400km north of Lagos and on the flight path to Abuja. Military search and rescue teams were dispatched to the crash site. Initial reports indicate that 50 or more people survived the crash.

Notably, the plane carried several senior Nigerian officials and officials of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS). No names will be released until the next of kin are notified.

[Update 1500EDT]

Update - NO SURVIVORS

It's now reported that nobody survived. According to Abilola Oloko, spokesman for Oyo state, all the people on board died. Confusion caused earlier inaccurate reports.

From Forbes.com:

No-one could have survived the impact when the Bellview Airlines Boeing 737 hit the ground at such speed that the wreckage was 'completely buried under ground,' NEMA [National Emergency Management Agency] spokesman Ibrahim Farinloye said.

The statement followed a similar report by the Nigerian Red Cross, which was working with NEMA on the ground at the crash site in Lissa village, a short distance north of Lagos near the farming town of Otta.

'No survivors have been identified so far ... The plane is actually beyond recognition,' Abiodun Orebiyi, secretary general of the Nigerian Red Cross, told Agence France-Presse.

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You thought all these hurricanes were bashing us out of coincidence? The bird flu and other disease panics were just another overexaggeration? Many Muslims don't think so. As a matter of fact, many of them view Osama as their messiah!
Via Worldnet Daily

"Islamic clerics point out that the signs in the heavens are propitious for such an event," writes Williams. "This year, Muslims will experience solar and lunar eclipses during the holy month. These great heavenly signs, according to Islamic visionary Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Sahib, foretell the coming of the "Mahdi," the mighty warrior of the Apocalypse, who will defeat the army of Yajuj wa-Majuj ("the infidel unbelievers"), led by the Dabbah or "the Beast." He will lead the Muslims to great victory and bring forth the Day of Islam, when all of creation falls before the throne of Allah."

Millions of Muslims worldwide already regard bin Laden as the "Mahdi," say Williams and other analysts of Islam.

"Islamic tradition says that the Mahdi will be a descendant of Muhammad through his daughter Fatima," writes Williams. "He will have a distinctive forehead, a prominent nose, and a black mole on his face. He will arise from Arabia and will be called from a cave by Allah to serve as the savior of all true believers."

Williams points out bin Laden's followers see significance in his high forehead, the prominent nose, the black mole, his origins in Arabia and his calling from a cave in Afghanistan.

"Bin Laden speaks of the president of the United States as Dabbah, the beast he must slay, and of the American people as the Yajuj wa-Majuj, the nation of Gog that he must destroy," reports Williams. "In his edicts and official correspondence, he no longer signs his name as Osama bin Laden but as Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden."

Is bin Laden the "Mahdi"? Many Muslims think so. And these are prophetically significant times for those who believe. A solar eclipse occurred Oct. 3 and a lunar eclipse followed Oct. 17. This is a unique phenomenon that only occurred once before -- during the Ramadan of 1894. At that time, Muslim scholars said that the next occurrence of twin eclipses will signal the appearance of "the divinely guided one" and the end of human history.

"One Muslim, who views bin Laden as the Mahdi, is Sheikh Nasir bin Hamid al Fahd," explains Williams. "Al Fahd recently issued a religious ruling or fatwa on behalf of the clerics of Saudi Arabia that granted bin Laden and other terrorists the permission to use nuclear weapons against the United States."

This is some scary kind of thinking folks! While America folds to the politically correct, and continually weaken our spiritual edge in this battle to secularization, a huge faction of the enemy view this as the freakin Apocolypse! Why isn't anything being done to our borders? Regardless of your opinion on whether the end is near, or religion in general...this is some scary kind of thinking on the enemy's side. The kind of thinking that could lead to all kinds of crazy stuff. I don't know if its the end of the world or not, but I know one thing...if America doesn't wake up, and wake up fast, it will be the end of the world as we know it! The political correctness crap has got to stop folks!

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1 . The kind of thinking that could lead to all kinds of crazy stuff. Yeah, like terrorism, suicide bombers, consipiracy theories... I don't know if its the end of the world or not You should.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 23, 2005 06:27 AM (QriEg)

2 That is a theme that occured to me a long time ago that of Bin Laden as the Mahdi. Oh well, only rubes and Republicans fall for religion so the real threat is from them. Bin Laden and his followers are too smart to believe that. They just want to end oppression, free the Palestinians from having the chance to be elected to the Kenessett etc etc etc

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 23, 2005 07:36 AM (8ZzO5)

3 After reading Chris Short's post, it struck me that almost everything the Muslim's believe is copied from Judaism or Christianity. I had heard that before, but had not read enough about the Koran to personally know. If we continue to take the threat from radical Islam as negligable, we will be hit and hit hard. An atomic blast in a major city is not out of the realm of possibility, and we should be prepared for it. Part of that preparation should be to make it as difficult as possible to cross our borders. Our ports are especially vulnerable to this type of attack, and average Americans should be used more than what we are. We basically are still just going on as if 9/11 never happened and we are not at war in Iraq.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 23, 2005 01:12 PM (rUyw4)

4 here is an interesting tid-bit, I looked at the word dabbah as the 'beast' and found this at an islamic forum discussion: 82.And when the Word (of torment) is fulfilled against them, We shall bring out from the earth a beast for them, to speak to them because mankind believed not with certainty in Our Ayât (Verses of the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم . What we learn from that Ayah is that , that 'beast' will talk to people... Beast is not the literal translation to the word Dabbah... the same word is mentioned in different ayat meaning animals and other creatures... So, we don't actually know how does that creature look...whether it's a human being, animal, beast or anything else... It will carry the ring of Solomon and the rod of Moses... it will mark the foreheads of the unbelievers with the word 'Kafer' and break/destroy their noses useing the rod/ring. Meanwhile, it will mark the foreheads of the believers with the word 'Mu'men' (True believer)... and will adorn their faces... meaning during that time there will be either true believers or unbelievers... no place for hypocrites. People will be able to know whether the other party is a believer or not as it is written on their foreheads...so no confusion... Is it not interesting in the Christian bible, the "mark of the beast" is placed on the forehead, or hand of the believers ? except in the Christian bible the Anti-Christ, and the beast are the ones doing the mark and performing miracles, in the Muslim Koran, the Messiah, and the beast will perform miracles, and give the marks to believers, and non-believers alike. weird.

Posted by: dave at October 23, 2005 02:12 PM (CcXvt)

5 I am a little concerned about that rod/nose thing. I caaught an elbow in basketball practice in high school AND ITB REALLY HURT !! I can only imagine a rod would be worse, it sounds like something we would see on the old WWF. As for al Fahd's nuclear fatwa, he is running a step behind. We already got the OK for a first strike in our last "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations". Which is sort of like what we call a fatwa.

Posted by: john Ryan at October 23, 2005 03:33 PM (ads7K)

6 you may find the below link of interest http://www.contenderministries.org/prophecy/eschatology.php because this country has jettisoned its Judeo-Christian roots....AND because many of those who have spoken of the coming end have improperly set dates (which uneventfully pasted) and/or failed to factor in ISRAEL....the examination of this matter has been neglected and/or poo-poohed. Whats really interesting about this time in history is that all three of the "religions" stemming from Abraham seem to be on the same page concerning where mankind at this time. Further, other belief systems and even non-believer sense "something is afoot" What differs, obviously is the truth re: the outcome.

Posted by: ocs at October 23, 2005 06:04 PM (O+Ku8)

7 Yeah, well, I'm glad we will know who is a Muslim or a Muslim stooge. That would be a relief in itself, as I would no longer have to wonder. And I won't have to worry about the Democrats, because they say there will be no place for hypocrits. Hey, just goes to show there's a silver lining in every dark cloud.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 23, 2005 06:16 PM (rUyw4)

8 PS... The Bible makes it clear that the Jews and Jerusalem will be the center of controvesy for the WORLD and that God Himself will intervene on behalf of HIs people (The Jews) (ex. read Zechariah 12,13 and 14... We have seen that the spot light of the world's attention is increasingly on Israel and Jerusalem see the WND article on the Temple Mount/al-asqa mosque http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46961 (please note that the Arabs have taken this position for years and have been destroyin artifacts under the Temple Mount for years.....its just that now with the surging of Islamic aggression this issue is moving front and center)

Posted by: ocs at October 23, 2005 06:22 PM (O+Ku8)

9 Bin ladden is not the MESSIAH he is the ANTICHRST he is the perpatrator of evil the real MESSIAH would never condone terrorist attcks or murdering women and children

Posted by: sandpiper at October 23, 2005 06:58 PM (oN6hw)

10 When the Jews killed their Messiah, they lost the status of Chosen.

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 23, 2005 07:13 PM (qBGkb)

11 Yes, it was the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!! And greg is still a sad little infinitessimal fraction of a man.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 23, 2005 08:00 PM (0yYS2)

12 Greg: nice conjecture, but that is all it is, the bible disagree's with your statement. Have you ever sought councilling for your rampent Jewaphobia? other than wrapping your head with bacofoil?

Posted by: dave at October 23, 2005 08:02 PM (CcXvt)

13 lead by Dabbah or Dubya?

Posted by: Jane at October 23, 2005 08:23 PM (6krEN)

14 Their bible said the Messiah would come and lead them out. But they killed Him and the Prophesy. So it was written, so it was done.

Posted by: menenzes' ghost at October 23, 2005 08:37 PM (qBGkb)

15 So Greg is now a religious philosopher. The tin foil type. Hey, Greg, wrap one more layer of foil onto your hat and you will be in contact with Mars.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 23, 2005 08:42 PM (rUyw4)

16 who killed Kennedy? Greg: the j00o00oos who faked the moon landing? Greg: the jo00oo00s who shot down the TWA? Greg: the joOOo00s who blew up the WTC, and filmed it dressed as furniture movers? Greg: the JoOOoo0s Who killed Arafat? Greg: the JooOOoo0s Who is the power behind the Freemasons, Skull & Bonesmen and the Illuminati? Greg: the J0ooOOos I think we get the picture greg.

Posted by: dave at October 23, 2005 08:50 PM (CcXvt)

17 meneneze's ghost...you know NOTHING of the Bible. God said: "Thus saith the Lord; I ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night , and that there should be not day and night in their season; then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant....." Jeremiah 33:19-26 "Can a womanforget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea they may forge, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me." Isaiah 49:15-16 The Bible makes it clear that God will never forsake Israel. As for the death of Jeusu Christ, the Bible makes it clear that Jesus was the "Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:19- And that God foreknew it Acts 2:23 and that the acts of Jew AND GENTILES (thus, all mankind) was "For to do whatsoever thy (God's) hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." See Acts4:26-28 The acts done are found in OLD TESTAMENT scripture Isaiah 52:10-15 , Isaiah 53:1-12.

Posted by: ocs at October 24, 2005 12:41 AM (O+Ku8)

18 see today's (Monday's) WORLD NET DAILY ...re: "Israeli dig to spark Temple Mount violence?"

Posted by: ocs at October 24, 2005 05:39 AM (O+Ku8)

19 I think Dave's comment @ October 23, 2005 02:12 PM is compelling. I'll have to think about that somemore. And has bin Laden ever worn a blue turbin? Bin Laden is undoubtedly evil through and through. And I don't want to hear from Greg or John Ryan or anyone about what the Christians did hundreds of years ago. This is today and I don't hear any of them calling all Christians worldwide to kill all "unbelievers" by cutting their heads off or blowing them up indiscriminately, man, woman and child. I've never been one to buy in to the idea that the Joooos killed Crist as if it were a religiously motivated action. I've always been of the mind that it was strictly politically motivated. They just happened to be Jews and not even good Jews. They were more concerned about their political power than their religious beliefs. The fact that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God was only secondary to His being a threat to their control through His teachings. I've never studied the bible nor do I claim to be Christian. This is just an outsider's viewpoint. If someone can tell me I'm wrong - and why - I'm willing to listen.

Posted by: Oyster at October 24, 2005 11:24 AM (fl6E1)

20 Who controls the British Crown? Who keeps the Metric System down? Jooos do! Jooos do! Who leaves Altantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? Jooos do! Jooos do! Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? Jooos do! Jooos do! Who robs cave fish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? Jooos do! Jooos dooooooooooooo!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2005 01:23 PM (0yYS2)

21 oyster...you are right that the death of Jesus had a very real political aspect to it, there, is a spiritual side thats more complex. As for the politics...If you read the 4 Gospeels you'll see that the "multitudes" heard Jesus gladly ..most believed he was a good man, and/or an prophet and/or the anticipated Messiah. It was the "learned", the "priests", the "lawyers" the "scribes" who at every juncture challenged Jesus and sought to set traps etc....... The issue was God's word and faith therein vs human wisdom. Also....the "leadership" class wanted the physical kingdom without the spiritual redemption ....... Not unlike all mankind...

Posted by: ocs at October 24, 2005 03:33 PM (O+Ku8)

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...the Jawa Report's Howie on his new column in the New York Times.

Weirdo.

(hat tip to Alarming News)

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1 I always thought something was a little...odd...about Howie. But threesomes?

Posted by: IO ERROR at October 22, 2005 05:04 PM (vhWf1)

2 No no See dub that was the Money Stretcher. Here's my first entry there. Billy Bob called on his aunt Sally last Sunday. Sally served fried chikkin, mayshed taters, & gravy followed by pumpikn pie. They were joined there His aunt' sister Wanda who plays organ at the First Baptist Church on Main St. Billy Bob left back for Ivy tech that afternoon and Sally sent one Thigh one wing and two Biskits for Billy to eat on the way. That's all the news for this week. Execpt for that boy Freddie he turned the hay wagon over on Rt 14. Blocked the road and Miss Kelly you know Verna's daugther run her new car plumb off in the ditch, my lands.

Posted by: Howie at October 22, 2005 06:10 PM (D3+20)

3 But GQ magazine?

Posted by: Cao at October 22, 2005 06:32 PM (RyucI)

4 Bravo, Howie, great article. But, GQ?

Posted by: William Teach at October 22, 2005 08:14 PM (eSZb/)

5 What, no corn bread and fried okra? And that would be sweet potato pie, Howie. Only a Yankee would eat pumpkin pie.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 22, 2005 11:15 PM (rUyw4)

6 Damn, Howie, spill the beans. Did you ever nail Cory or not?

Posted by: Vinnie at October 22, 2005 11:35 PM (Kr6/f)

7 Holy moly, Howie.

Posted by: Mike at October 23, 2005 06:37 AM (ywZa8)

8 Howie, you realize you're going to have so many women after you! Great article, you must be the most handsome and caring guy in New York.

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