September 25, 2004
Website Claims British Hostage Ken Bigley Executed
UPDATE 10/08: Abu Dhabi Television reports that British hostage Kenneth Bigley has been 'executed' by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Tawid and Jihad terrorist organization. Story still developing. Information, news, links to video, pics, and images of Kenneth Bigley beheading / execution video will be posted here. UPDATES HERE.
An Islamic message board has posted a statement claiming that Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization has executed British hostage Ken Bigley. A U. K. foreign ministry spokesman denied the claim's authenticity earlier today. The message was not posted by a known member of Zarqawi's group and was on a different message board than the one usually used by the group to make major announcements. Further, Zarqawi's website has not been updated since it posted a video of Ken Bigley pleading for his life. A long with the video, the website posted propaganda messages aimed at turning the British public against Tony Blair's Labour government. The website blaimed Blair for Bigley's predicament and threatened to behead Mr. Bigley if the U.K. did not meet the terrorist organization's demands. Because this propaganda strategy seems to be working, some analysts have suggested that Bigley will be kept alive past the deadline set.
UPDATES MAY FOLLOW.
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Italian Embassy reporting they are not certain the women were killed.
Posted by: Jane at September 25, 2004 03:49 PM (AaBEz)
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Yeah, I heard. I updated that post appropriately.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 25, 2004 03:59 PM (JQjhA)
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THE TERRORISTS ARE SO BRAINWASHED THAT THEY WILL SOMEHOW BE BENEFITTED BY DOING THESE SHOCK VALUE THINGS. WHAT THEY DON'T REALIZE IS THAT WHATEVER THEY DO WILL BE NO JUSTIFICATION FOR NEGOTIATION. THEY ARE WASTING THEIR TIME. BUT I GUESS SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN THE HARD WAY. MY HEART TRULY GO OUT TO ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE HOSTAGES BEHEADED. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE EXTREME PAIN THEY ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW AND I HOPE THEY FIND SOME COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT THERE RELATIVE ARE AMONG THE HEROES OF AMERICA. THERE SACRIFICES KEEP US SAFE. GOD BLESS ALL THE FAMILIES AND CLOSE FRIENDS OF THE HOSTAGES WITH ALL THE STRENGTH GOD HAS TO OFFER. I AM TERRIBLY SORRY FOR THEIR STRUGGLES. WE ALL NEED TO SHOW ONGOING SUPPORT FOR THESE FAMILIES.
SINCERELY & RESPECTFULLY, VICTORIA STONG
(CIVIL RIGHTS & COMMUNITY ACTIVIST)
Posted by: VICTORIA at September 25, 2004 10:42 PM (AaBEz)
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Well,hopefully he can't update his website because he dead under a bunch of rubble.
"God Willing."
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 10:52 PM (D39Vm)
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OH my god... Did we have all this trouble when Democrates and Bill Clinton were here ?! Guess not...PLease, for the love of America, for the love of iraquis, for the love of all theses hostages being executed, for the love of the world. Dont vote for Bush ! I mean think about. In a 4 year spawn, the face of the world has changed completly with that monkey and teamates. U.S.A being attacked , why ? Its an empire that steps on anything to get power and money just like the case was with the romans in the old times...( They're empire ended by the way ) We had no trouble with Saddam in power, he was taking care of the country( Of course he was an evil man but its worse now ). Anyways hope that bush gets away and peace will come back in this broken world.
Posted by: Joe at September 26, 2004 12:31 AM (jS/er)
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Joe,
Have you been under a rock until the past 4 years? Do you really believe that all of the hatred towards the US had begun when G.W. took office?
While I value your opinion I think you should take a current history course to gain some knowledge of world affairs. Now I hope that I misunderstand you because it looks as though you have a problem with the US being a world power and I am sure that you must not have a problem with the US as a whole being a wealthy society. Would you prefer that we get stepped on or do the stepping?
Posted by: brigette at September 26, 2004 08:27 AM (8JVEF)
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JOE,
>>>>OH my god... Did we have all this trouble when Democrates and Bill Clinton were here ?
ANSWER USS COLES
Remember poor old Bill getting BJ's in the oval office.
FACT Bill Clinton had the oppurtunity to eliminate Bin Ladin but would not give the OK instead he shot a rocket in the mountains killing a camel.
>>>>PLease, for the love of America, for the love of iraquis, for the love of all theses hostages being executed, for the love of the world. Dont vote for Bush !
ANSWER For the love of America VOTE for Bush. I have no love for the Iraqi people and to be honest There are only a few countries in the world that I do have love for.
>>>>>I mean think about. In a 4 year spawn, the face of the world has changed completly with that monkey and teamates.
ANSWER If you think for a minute this all started when Bush came into office You are sadly mistaken it all started with Mr Clinton's foreign policy, cutting the military and so on.
>>>>>We had no trouble with Saddam in power, he was taking care of the country( Of course he was an evil man but its worse now ).
Taking care of the country?? What in God's name are you smoking. 18 month tour for me there and the uncovering of thousands of bodies in mass graves.
Saddam along with his sons was an evil bastard that had no regard for human life his way or no way. Just imagine what happened to people like you that voiced thier opinion. You see here it is OK because that is your right there your tongue would be cut out. He was not taking care of his country he was a barbarian that lived high on the hog while his soin's raped and killed woman.
Posted by: Dave at September 27, 2004 04:41 AM (WICUl)
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Dear Brigette,
I don’t know where you are from, what your education is or how they brought you up.
One thing I can see from your answer to David, they did not teach you to respect other people their opinion.
You are very poor if you think that the USA is a wealthy society.
Posted by: Kul at September 27, 2004 05:54 AM (GhJdZ)
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I do believe Kul that I detect a hint of hypocracy in your comment.Why are you not respecting my opinion?! And as far as a wealthy society or country if I am incorrect in my judgement, where would you classify the US? I am sorry that you are unable to see that the US is in fact a wealthy country with a global economy. Although not all of us are able to benefit from its wealth it is still in fact the case. I also am aware that on many local levels unfortunately there is poverty that is why I used the description "as a whole".
Posted by: BRIGETTE at September 27, 2004 10:27 AM (/W64G)
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BLAIR CANNOT MOVE ON.
So Tony Blair has prayed in church for Ken Bigley: do we take it he has also prayed for the souls of the tens of thousands of Iraqi's killed in the war, and for those still to die?
Mr Blair is, in Jungian terms, identified with the hero archetype. He is a Siegfried conquering the evil dragon in the hope of finding the treasure of a re-ordered world made to his black and white Manichean ideals. Jung stated that whenever anyone is identified with an archetype, he is driven to its fatal goal. Behind the hubris of the hero lies his shadow, which kills him. We must assume that nemesis awaits Mr Blair as his hubristic heroic ideals carry him to their fate. The collapse of electoral support for him is just beginning.
Posted by: paul at September 29, 2004 11:25 AM (YeoCB)
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Info as to wealth of America. It is true that the USA does not have the highest per capita income in the world. America is second. However, nunber 1, Luxenburg, has only a few thousand people. No one else is even close. So KUL, so much for your education. I know you don't get much from Rangoon U.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 30, 2004 05:15 PM (XC1Qx)
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America go home and let the iraq`s do their job
if the people of Iraq are not behind you than there are NO winners only losers
Most terrorists came from outside iraq and came inside Iraq after the power vacuum
each war has its terrible gruesome facts
yesterday 35 kids were killed by a al zargawi group ......the same group who beheaded the 2 american citizens
this has NOTHING to do with muslim believe
they terrorist`s would work perfect in a human destroy camp of Adolf Hitler Himmler or Eichmann/Mengele
but I would love to see them burning after they got Zyklon B [ the german poisoning gas]
but still my opinion is : NO WAR can be won without its locan people
Posted by: Frank at October 01, 2004 01:20 PM (Z4uXY)
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I think this is horrible an eye of an eye this terrorist will pay they really are so brain washed that they think they are doing ALLAH will they will paid for their actions NOBODY DESERVES THIS but those who are guilty of doing this should in turn get the same mercy they showed their victims a bullet in the head is too good for them they desire a slow agonizing death..
Posted by: Elias at October 01, 2004 10:10 PM (Knc5X)
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Are all americans as dumb as G.W. BUSH ?!! Nor eally, I mean. How can you explain the weapons law that has just been left over...colombine and everyday murders in the us arent enough for you ?? How can you explain that the only ministry that americana soldiers are guarding is the ministry of oil in iraq ? How can you explain that Bush stoped any bilateral negociations with North Korean who owns the nuclear weapon ? Why dont they make peace in palestine ?!! With peace, they would stop selling their apaches and tanks to israel . think about it, U.S.A is all about money and power. Bush is a stupid puppet controled by the jewish and money lobbiest. Where is osama bin laden ?! When he was cornered by the troops and about to get captured they decided to get the fuck out and go to iraq. Come on you stupid americans, get real to the world situation. What about all the international treaties waved by Bush ? People, please go to school and learn some basics of life.
Posted by: Joe at October 02, 2004 01:43 AM (jS/er)
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Joe- reading your comments, I had a lot of thoughts come to mind, but I will limit myself and stick to the bascis...
1) try to respect people in authority- maybe Bush could do a better job if he didnt have to deal with people like you.
2)its intreseting you bring up Columbine and hold Bush resposible? I would like to say first of all that Columbine happened April 20th, 1999. Bush was inaugurated January 20, 2000. How could he possibly have any resposibility for what happened? So in answer to your earlier question if we had "all this bad stuff happen" while the democrats and Clinton where in office... that would be a yes. I think that in desperation to blame someone, you are just blaming the president for everything that goes wrong... yes, he doesn't always make the smartest choices, but he has done a good job considering the circumstances. And about the whole money and power thing- you're forgetting one thing, take it from someone who has a friend that lives in Afganistan- the world hates the US- and its not like they are going to let us waltz in and try to "settle" everything, especially Israel and Palastine, that conflict has been going on for a much longer time than in only Bush's years in office... so unless you have one hell of a good plan to save the world, be a superhuman, and be elected as president, I would stop blaming the president and searching for crazy conspiracy theories. But as a side note, if you were running- I would probably end up voting for you. 
Just my opinion, take or leave it, but no hard feelings...
Just my opinion, take or leave it, but no hard feelings...Posted by: kelli at October 05, 2004 11:20 PM (oBLg1)
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I didnt say that bush was responsible for colombine but he is the one voting for free weapons to the american people. Wasnt he the one exectuing everyone in texas also?! Going to Iraq was definetly a bad decision. By the way bush is not responsible for much, he's only a puppet run by rumsfeld, cheney and wolfowitch.
Posted by: jOE at October 14, 2004 01:09 PM (jS/er)
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PERSONALLY LIKE MANY PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET I BELIVE GOIN 2 WAR WITH IRAQI WAS WRONG BUT THE WORLD IS A SAFER PLACE NOW THEY HAVE DONE.... AS FAR IS GOES WITH THE THREE HOSTAGES IVE HEARD REPORTS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSSED 2 B SPIES..???
AND WAT WERE THEY DOIN IN IRAQI IN THE FIRST PLACE????
Posted by: marcus at October 18, 2004 09:51 AM (oVa47)
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marcus- no sources confirmed the fact that they were spies: it is believed to be a widespread rumor/speculation at this point in time. They were in Iraq on buisness, supposedly nothing to do with their gov., but again, none confirmed sources (grrr!) lol hope this helps?
Posted by: kelli at October 22, 2004 04:28 PM (REkDO)
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TERRORISTS: PEOPLE WHO ARE BRAINWASHED BY THEIR IMAMS & OTHER RELIGIOUS LEADERS THAT THEY'RE DOING "ALLAH'S WORK" & WILL GET A BUNCH OF VIRGINS IF THEY DO SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
AFTER THE EVIL DEED, THAT PERSONS SOUL REALIZES IT WAS ALL AN EVIL LIE & THAT IT'S TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! AFTER ALL, DEATH IS PERMANENT! THERE WILL BE NO "BLESSINGS" FOR TERRORISTS IN THIS WORLD OR ANY OTHER. ONLY HELL IS WAITING FOR THEM(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT). I REALLY PRAY THAT MORE VICTIMS OF THOSE THAT HAVE EXPLOITED & USED ISLAM AS AN EXCUSE TO DO WRONG, WILL WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. THERE IS NO "JUSTIFICATION" FOR TAKING A LIFE. ONLY ALLAH(GOD)HAS THAT RIGHT! NO ONE ELSE DOES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT RELIGION YOU DECIDE TO TRY TO DESTROY & EXPLOIT. THE TERRORISTS, AMONG OTHER THINGS OBVIOUSLY, HAVE DONE THEIR BEST TO DESTROY THE RESPECTABLE RELIGION OF ISLAM. THESE TERRORIST LEADERS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ISLAM & ARE ONLY DOING THEIR BEST TO FOOL THEIR FOLLOWERS INTO THINKING "THIS IS ALLAH'S WILL". YEAH, RIGHT, ANY DAY NOW. WHAT A JOKE THEY ARE MAKING OF ISLAM. I AM A CIVIL RIGHTS & COMMUNITY ACTIVIST & I AM TIRED OF SEEING ISLAMIC PEOPLE BEING TARGETED FOR THE SELFISHNESS OF THE TERRORIST LEADERS. DON'T THEY REALIZE THEY'RE ONLY MAKING LIFE DIFFICULT FOR THE GOOD ISLAMIC PEOPLE OF AMERICA & THE WORLD? THEY ARE ONLY SERVING THEIR OWN PERSONAL AGENDA'S. WHEN WILL THESE FOLLOWERS WAKE UP? IT'S REALLY VERY SAD, BLASPHEMING & AWFUL! SHAME ON THOSE ISLAMIC LEADERS WHO ARE USING THEIR FOLLOWERS FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT. THEY ARE ONLY USING THEM TO GET UP THE POLITICAL LADDER & GET ENOUGH POWER TO BE ABLE TO BRUTALIZE ANYONE THEY WANT TO GAIN CONTROL OF THEM. I ONLY PRAY THESE TERRORIST FOLLOWERS WILL SEE THROUGH THESE "LEADERS", SAVE THEIR REPUTATIONS, FAMILIES & THEMSELVES. MANY GOOD ISLAMIC PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED DUE TO ALL THIS TERRORISM. I SAY TO THE TERRORORISTS; PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS & WAKE UP BEFORE YOU END UP DEAD IN VEIN TOO. SEPTEMBER 11 TOOK MY (STEPFATHER'S NEPHEW) COUSIN JOHN (ON FLIGHT 11), CLASSMATE FROM SCHOOL(F.F.FROM RESCUE 2;LINCOLN QUAPPE) & TUTOR FROM COLLEGE(GEORGE MORRON GARCIA). I WORKED IN GROUND ZERO(9/11-11/10/01) & WAS ALMOST BLOWN UP WITH OTHER BLDG.# 7 WORKERS BY 2 ARAB GUYS HOLDING AN ATTACHE' CASE FULL OF GUN POWDER(THANK GOD THE MILITARY AT THE 2nd CHECKPOINT GOING DIRECTLY TO BLDG.# 7 CAUGHT THEM SINCE SOMEHOW THE POLICE WERE FOOLED INTO LETTING THEM IN). NOT TO MENTION I LOST MY JOB DUE TO 9/11 TOO. SO I HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT SPEAKING TO THE TERRORISTS. I SAY TO THE TERRORISTS; WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS HURTING YOU. THOSE THAT ARE TAKING ISLAM & PERVERTING IT FOR THEIR OWN SELFISHNESS TO GET YOU TO HURT AMERICANS & OTHER COUNTRIES, ARE GETTING YOU IN TROUBLE. PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE THEM? THEY'RE LIARS. AMERICANS ARE NOT THE "MONSTERS" YOU ARE TAUGHT THAT THEY ARE. AMERICANS RESPECT ALL RELIGIONS & INDIVIDUALS. WE ARE A CIVILIZED & VERY GOOD PEOPLE. WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, AS NO ONE IN THE WORLD REALLY CAN(WE HAVE OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL LIFESTYLES & CHARACTERS), BUT WE CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WITH EACH OTHER & TOLERATE EACH OTHER. WE CAN ALL GET ALONG IF YOU GIVE IT A CHANCE. THIS IS THE RIGHT, PEACEFUL & RESPECTFUL WAY TO BE. NO RELIGION SHOULD DOMINATE THE WORLD. WE ARE ALL UNIQUE & SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SO. THE WORLD WOULD BE SO BORING IF WE WERE ALL THE SAME. SO PLEASE........THINK ABOUT ALL THESE TERRORIST PLOTS YOUR SCHEMING UP. THEY'RE JUST NOT & NEVER WILL BE "JUSTIFIED". THEY ARE ALL OUTRIGHT WRONG & INCREDIBLY CRUEL. PLEASE STOP ALL THIS MADNESS? WE CAN ALL LIVE IN PEACE IF YOU COULD JUST LEARN TO SIT DOWN WITH THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT & UNITED NATIONS & DISCUSS PEACEFUL ALTERNATIVES TO RESOLVE OUR DIFFERENCES. IF YOU CARE, ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD I S POSSIBLE!
SINCERELY & RESPECTFULLY, VICTORIA STONG
CIVIL RIGHTS & COMMUNITY ACTIVIST/N.Y.C.
Posted by: VICTORIA STONG at March 19, 2005 06:55 PM (6krEN)
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GOD BLESS AMERICA! WHERE ELSE CAN YOU GO TO SPEAK YOUR MIND AND PRACTICE ANY RELIGION WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION, FEAR OF ATTACK OR RACISM ON THE MOST PART COMPARED TO MOST OR ALL COUNTRIES? WE ARE ALL BLESSED TO BE BORN OR LIVING HERE WHERE OUR LIFESTYLE IS FREE TO PRACTICE WITHOUT FEAR FROM OUR GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY I KNOW I AM BLESSED TO BE BORN AND LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY. I, UNLIKE MANY, GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THE ADVANTAGES AND FREEDOMS TOO MANY DON'T ENJOY(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT). I THANK GOD SO MUCH I WAS BORN HERE. AMERICA IS SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE & I TREASURE HER FOREVER AND ALWAYS!
Posted by: VICTORIA STONG at March 30, 2005 11:44 PM (6krEN)
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Any Dave`s out there? or Davinias, who wanna talk a load more garbage, because that`s just what i think i have been seeing on this website, yer all tied up in a specific personal belief system,...... that is very scarey to a geezer like me. i suppose some of yooz will ATTACK, depending on your belief system, by the way, Bridget is on the right track. :-)
Posted by: Dave at May 21, 2005 09:36 PM (J+Q6Y)
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MY CONDOLENCES TO ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE SOLDIERS WE'VE LOST DUE TO THE VERY COWARDLY COWERING(UNIDENTIFIABLE) TERRORISTS. MAY THE FAMILIES BE BLESSED WITH ALL THE LOVE THEY NEED FROM GOD/ALLAH. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN INJURED; I'M TERRIBLY SORRY & I PRAY YOU'LL RECOVER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IF NOT COMPLETELY. THE UNITED STATES IS FOREVER IN DEBT TO ALL THE SOLDIERS & THEIR FAMILIES FOR ALL THEIR SACRIFICES. WE CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, BUT WE ARE TRYING SO WE MAY COMFORT YOU WHEN ABLE. THANKS FOR KEEPING ME & THE COUNTRY SAFE. I LOVE YOU ALL FOR IT.
RESPECTFULLY & SINCERELY, VICTORIA MARY STONG/HUMANITARIAN,CIVIL RIGHTS & COMMUNITY ACTIVIST, 9/11 FAMILY MEMBER & WORLD TRADE CENTER VOLUNTEER AT BUILDING # 7 FROM 9/11-11/10/01 *N.Y.C.,U.S.A.
Posted by: VICTORIA STONG at July 19, 2005 02:09 AM (M7kiy)
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all terrorousts are the lowest form of life and for there wrong doings i hope they rot in a rat infested prison not knowing the minute that they will be executed our let them think that they are pardoned and then execute them all good riddance to all bastard terrorists rot not in heaven our hell as no one will want you in any place
Posted by: bill at October 14, 2005 05:17 PM (aIRUY)
September 24, 2004
Media should be allies in war on terror says Putin
Amen, and pass the ammunition!! AP:
President Vladimir Putin urged journalists Friday to use their work to advance the battle against terrorism, saying the media should not just be passive observers in the face of threats by militants."It is obvious that the struggle against terrorism cannot be an excuse to infringe upon the freedom and independence of the press," Putin told an international media conference organized by Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency.
"But you yourselves, as professionals, should develop a model of work that would allow media to become an effective instrument in the struggle against terror, which would exclude any, even involuntary, form of assistance to terrorists' goals."
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Hard for them to do since most of them have already signed up with the enemy.
Posted by: Laughing Wolf at September 24, 2004 02:57 PM (k3fvZ)
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But he's absolutely right.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 02:17 AM (D39Vm)
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Glad to see we're all gradually accepting every one of the tenets of fascism.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at September 25, 2004 01:51 PM (NJzm6)
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Glad to see that you don't mind the media spreading the kind of propaganda that reinforces the world-view of terrorists so that they can stomache putting a knife to the throat of a hostage and cut off their heads. America during WWII has overt-real-government-controlled-censorship. Unless you think America was 'fascist', or that only 'fascists' censor their presses in times of war. Putin only suggested the media ought to be on the side of the good guys in the war on terror.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 25, 2004 04:03 PM (JQjhA)
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I don't think showing the videos has anything to do with the media. They are not playing them, we ae, and for good reason: for everyone to see what vile, monstrous, dastardly deeds these terrorists do for kicks.
I don't know what fascism is and don't care but Putin is right. It pisses me off to no end when I see a journalist embedded with the terrorists showing the world what it's like to be on the inside, I'd like to slap them silly. If there was anything I could do about that, I would end that, I would. The terrorists are the bad guys and they should not be covering the bad guys but the good guys and showing what is happening to those on the good side or they should just leave the damn country. I'd fine every one of them plus if they were an employee of mine, I'd fire them on the spot. There is only one side in this war 0 and that's the GOOD SIDE.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 11:01 PM (D39Vm)
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Hey all you Americans – You have more filth in your own country than the whole remainder of planet earth.
Try cleaning up your own place before dictating to the rest.
How many murders do you have in the USA every day. In most other countries it makes the headlines when someone is murdered as itÂ’s not the norm. Not yours, itÂ’s so common it doesnÂ’t even get a mention. Think about the mass murderers youÂ’ve had alone, they are way too numerous to mention. Your court rooms are clogged with the scum. No one deserves to have there head sliced off, but be real everyone what do you expect when you turn up in a country who now hates you so much, and why? Let me see could it be because you murdered their men, women & children, destroyed their land & homes?
Your military has raped & tortured, you hold many of their people in prisons, guilty only by association.
You are all outraged with these gruesome beheadings, as are the rest of us. But are you any better – what’s this Electric Chair thingy?
ThatÂ’s pretty Barbaric donÂ’t you think?
We all know there was no weapons of mass destruction. Oh but there was OIL, Oh the OIL.
Posted by: Graham Wells at September 26, 2004 04:51 PM (u/TP3)
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Memo To Graham Wells:
uh, that would be Saddam who raped, murdered,destroyed and gased his own people, not america. As far as the electric chair, I'd take that any day over a beheading. At least we give our criminals the right to a trial, including Saddam.
by the way, which country do you live in? It must be a freikin utopia.
Posted by: Todd at September 28, 2004 03:49 AM (ZrT7t)
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One more thing Mr. Wells, we all know there is oil but you don't drive a car, right?
Posted by: Todd at September 28, 2004 08:34 AM (ZrT7t)
Help Make My Pet Jawa a Google News Source
Need help from readers. If that asshat Kos can be classified as a 'legitimate news source', why not mypetjawa? I'm Rusty Shackleford, bitch!!!!
Please e-mail Google News and suggest this site as news. Mailto: source-suggestions@google.com with the suggestion that http://mypetjawa.mu.nu is a (*cough* *cough* *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*) "Great source for news, information, and editorials not covered by the mainstream press."
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done
Posted by: Dee at September 24, 2004 01:22 PM (y2axR)
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"Asshat" is definitely one of my favorite insults.
Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer at September 24, 2004 01:29 PM (5anNT)
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Done 2.
Posted by: Dotty at September 24, 2004 01:38 PM (q1oAV)
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Thanks!!!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 01:45 PM (JQjhA)
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God help us.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at September 24, 2004 02:33 PM (62QDG)
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Done!
Posted by: B52GUNR at September 24, 2004 03:41 PM (isG+j)
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You'll have to start lying if you want to be considered news.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at September 24, 2004 03:43 PM (EQSdH)
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Actually I found you on searches before depending upon what word you used for what to search for, but I'll make the email, too.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 24, 2004 03:44 PM (D39Vm)
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Done too!!!!
Posted by: scotinnewzealand at September 24, 2004 06:56 PM (PeyrW)
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Rusty,I can rub out Kos for you,$20 now,$20 when it's done,and $20 for expenses.
Posted by: octavio at September 24, 2004 08:40 PM (7RH+Z)
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sorry, you're a bit too jew/bush slanted to pass as "legit". still, i do read the opinions here. and i dig the gore.
Posted by: jack at September 24, 2004 11:01 PM (AaBEz)
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oh by the way, just one question for all you take-up-arms-against islam-now types:
has the Bush administration: a)decreased anti-USA terrorism in present and future b)increased anti-USA terrorism present and future?
oh, ok we're going to hunt them down one by one right, a la clint eastwood or bronson.......? thats realistic. good plan. i'm sure they'll be deterred. newsflash: indonesia alone has a population near 25 million. yes, they're a muslim culture.
i'm also sure more liberal, progressive islamic governments will displace the hard liners in the mideast now, also, as a result of heroic western "liberation".
there are infants born today who are going to be terrorists in 18 years simply because of the bush administrations fantastic ideas. i don't know about you but i felt a bit better about being american 4 years ago.
congrats to all you fools who continue to vote irresponsibly. and congrats to you christians and jews who started a religios war in my name- a peace loving, american ATHEIST.
Posted by: jack at September 24, 2004 11:23 PM (AaBEz)
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Worth a try i suppose.
Posted by: jon at September 25, 2004 12:22 PM (AZkT3)
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Done.
Hi Jack. Seek help.
Posted by: gordon at September 25, 2004 03:11 PM (dEFhD)
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Thanks for help all!!! Jack, what you ask is a hypothetical counterfactual that can't really be answered, but only speculated upon. If you would simply read the Arab press you would see why there are so many terrorists. What they say to us in English, even the 'moderate' Arab press is disgusting and disturbing.
Also, you are an anti-Semite.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 25, 2004 04:07 PM (JQjhA)
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PS-If Dan Rather is 'news' than so is My Pet Jawa!!!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 25, 2004 04:08 PM (JQjhA)
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Hey all you Americans – You have more filth in your own country than the whole remainder of planet earth.
Try cleaning up your own place before dictating to the rest.
How many murders do you have in the USA every day. In most other countries it makes the headlines when someone is murdered as itÂ’s not the norm. Not yours, itÂ’s so common it doesnÂ’t even get a mention. Think about the mass murderers youÂ’ve had alone, they are way too numerous to mention. Your court rooms are clogged with the scum. No one deserves to have there head sliced off, but be real everyone what do you expect when you turn up in a country who now hates you so much, and why? Let me see could it be because you murdered their men, women & children, destroyed their land & homes?
Your military has raped & tortured, you hold many of their people in prisons, guilty only by association.
You are all outraged with these gruesome beheadings, as are the rest of us. But are you any better – what’s this Electric Chair thingy?
ThatÂ’s pretty Barbaric donÂ’t you think?
We all know there was no weapons of mass destruction,. Oh but there was OIL, Oh the OIL.
Posted by: Graham Wells at September 26, 2004 09:38 AM (D5Lm+)
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i'm as anti-semitic as you are anti-arab. fair enough? and is one more acceptable than the other? tell me, honestly......
Posted by: jack at September 26, 2004 11:32 AM (AaBEz)
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"...but be real everyone what do you expect when you turn up in a country who now hates you so much, and why? Let me see could it be because you murdered their men, women & children, destroyed their land & homes?"
I'm sorry, are you suggesting that radical Islamicists in the middle east actually liked America before the Iraq invasion?
Also noteworthy - France hates America, when was the last time we invaded them? Oh, right, when we kicked out the Germans.
Posted by: Sobek at September 28, 2004 12:47 AM (XwlU1)
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Why don't we just start our own?
www.WarForOilKillTheOldPeopleKickThePuppiesStarveTheChildrenTaxBreaksForTheRichOnlyFuckTheLeft.com
or maybe .org?
Posted by: TexasRainmaker at September 28, 2004 02:24 PM (DG8d8)
Canadian Hostage Released on Promise of Firm Pulling Out of Iraq
Update: Eating Crow. Never run with a story by al Jazeera and then claim 'conflicting reports'. It's like a paper in 1939 saying there were 'conflicting reports' coming out of Poland as to whether the Poles were invading Germany or vice-versa--based on reports coming straight out of Goebelle's office! Sorry about that. The real story seems to be that Fairuz Yamulky convinced her guard to let her go in exchange for her trying to help him get a Visa to Canada. Thank God you made it out ok!! The points below, though, on why she might not have been killed stand.
Al Jazeera reports that a terrorist organization calling itself Asad Allah Brigade will release Canadian citizen Fairuz Yamulky, a woman they have held for the past 16 days. The Canadian firm she works for has caved to the terrorist's demands and are pulling out of Iraq. A conflicting reports say that she was not released, but rather escaped. Thank God she got out alive!!
Four things: a) she's Canadian, and the terrorists have a track record of letting those from appeaser nations go. b) She's a Muslim by birth, Kurdish. Some of the terrorist organizations have a problem with killing fellow Muslims. c) She's a woman. Some of the terrorist organization have a problem with killing women--they do not have a problem with raping and beating them. d) This organization was demanding money. This might have been a simple case of extortion, tied to an ideology that justifies it.
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Ms. Yamulky's sister was interviewed on Canadian television yesterday. She is free with the apparent assistance of one of her captors.
Posted by: MikeAdamson at September 24, 2004 01:04 PM (EtCRS)
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I saw that. Actually, it was al Jazeera that reported she had been released, so you can understand why they chose to spin it that way.
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Well Rusty, you can't really argue with what works can you? Maybe we should cut the heads off a few Canadians? (Not that they'd miss them, mind you.)
Alfred Hitchcock's "weight reduction machine for fatheads:" a guillotine.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 24, 2004 02:25 PM (turqZ)
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I suppose it's more convenient for you to assume that her firm paid a ransom rather than find facts that might disprove your theories. It hasn't been just Al Jazeera that says she escaped. She's said it, too, and so have other news agencies. Why would she endanger other employees of her firm by lying on their behalf.
Also, on your 4 points:
1) "appeaser nation" - I'll get back to this in a moment.
2) The fact she's Muslim means nothing about her release. Countless Muslims have been killed in suicide bombings since this debacle started (more than coalition soldiers, btw). In fact, some of the groups responsible for these bombings have said that it is ok for "good Muslims" to be killed if that's what happens because it is the Will of God.
3) See point 2). Women are part of those killed. We have seen no apologies for this. By the way, coalition soliders are killing civilians, too, and not all of this is of the "collateral damage" variety - where's your vilification of this?
4) Yes, this "might" have been a case of extortion (the organization was also demanding new houses be built in a couple of Iraqi cities, so who knows where the real motivation as). But you don't know, so how do you attempt to back up your position without facts?
Regarding "appeaser nations" like Canada (which I'm guessing you're referring to)...how do you figure Canada is an appeaser nation when they've had soldiers fighting in Afghanistan alongside the U.S.? How do you figure Canada is an appeaser nation when Canadian snipers are recommended for bronze stars by the U.S. military for their outstanding service in Afghanistan? I'd love to see you call Canada an "appeaser nation" to the families of Canadian soliders who have died in that country. Yes, we know Iraq is a different country, but the "war on terror" is universal and Canada is doing its part.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before becoming the blog-version of Al-Jazeera?
(oh, and no, I'm not left-wing; I'm just anti-idiots like you).
Posted by: Venom at September 24, 2004 02:56 PM (dbxVM)
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I saw that a few days ago, troops from Mosul and Kirkuk brought here to hospital. It took a few days to get someone there to realize she had been held as a captive for ten days and did escape. Glad to see it made the news here.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 24, 2004 03:47 PM (D39Vm)
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Just a couple of responses:
2)The fact she's Muslim means nothing about her release.
How do you know? Can you prove that? Furthermore, whether it does or not, Rusty is making observations that he thinks might explain why this hostage and not others was released. And while it is true that Muslims have been killed, it is ALSO true that they have not been killed by every faction involved. Some A are B, some B are C, it does NOT follow that some A are C.
3) See MY response to 2.
By the way, coalition soliders are killing civilians, too, and not all of this is of the "collateral damage" variety - where's your vilification of this?
Where's your PROOF of this? And specifically, proof of your "not all of the 'collateral' damage variety" claim? Put up or shut up.
4)Yes, this "might" have been a case of extortion(the organization was also demanding new houses be built in a couple of Iraqi cities, so who knows where the real motivation as).
Demanding money and threatening your hostage if you don't receive it is BY DEFINITION extortion, you moron. what the motivation for the extortion is does not change the fact that it is.
How do you figure Canada is an appeaser nation when Canadian snipers are recommended for bronze stars by the U.S. military for their outstanding service in Afghanistan?
Last I heard, the Canadian Government refused to let those snipers receive the medals, and instead, recommended they undergo psychiatric evaluation for stating they were proud of their actions. While I have ebough knowledge of history to appreciate the quality of fighting man the Canadian Soldier is, the current GOVERNMENT of that country is of questionable quality.
(oh, and no, I'm not left-wing; I'm just anti-idiots like you).
Pot, meet kettle, eh?
Posted by: Brian B at September 24, 2004 03:58 PM (OnnW3)
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Ok, my responses to you, Brian:
1) My need to prove that her being Muslim had no bearing on her release needs to be done as much as Rusty's assertion (yet you demand no proof from him, for some reason). She escaped, that was what she said. Proof of this is that she is free and this is what she said happened. Since she was there and you weren't, I'll take her word over yours. And where was Rusty's proof that her company paid a ransom? He was so quick to vilify that he didn't even bother checking - he came up with an answer and made no research into it.
The fact you're attempting to back him up (after he's backtracked, mind you) is proof you're being ignorant.
2) You want proof of coalition solider killing civilians? Here's a news story (a well-known one, at that - how's life living under that rock, these days?) that details this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5351213/
I could provide you with more, but what would that prove, except that you don't really know what you're talking about. The truth hurts, admit it. (btw, that's NBC - not Al Jazeera).
3) The current GOVERNMENT of Canada continues to deploy soldiers in Afghanistan. While Canada doesn't have the monetary clout of the U.S. to deploy troops whenever faulty intelligence raises its head, it DOES answer the call from its ALLIES to engage in theatres such as Afghanistan when the situation merits it.
Iraq was completely different. The US was playing both sides of the UN card. First trying to espouse the values of the UN weapons inspection mandate to force Iraq to allow inspectors into its country, then thumbing its nose at the UN when it became clear they had no concrete evidence of these weapons. If an appeaser nation is being a nation that follows the rule of law that has been entrusted to the UN by countries such as the United States, then I guess the vast majority of the world is an "appeaser nation" in your eyes. If you want international cooperation in security matters, you're going to have to use an international body, and love it or hate it, the UN is the only organization that is equipped to facilitate this.
Oh, and by the way, the Canadian government didn't allow those soldier to keep those medals (initally) because they didn't like the perception of a foreign military bestowing foreign medals on Canadian troops. This is also why Canadian troops no longer get, among other medals, the Victoria Cross. There are still discussions on whether or not these soldiers will get the medals, so don't stomp your boot down just yet.
And I take it back. Rusty isn't an idiot, just a little bereft of facts. You're the idiot, I suppose.
Cheers!
Posted by: Venom at September 25, 2004 01:19 PM (h7+qE)
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The US was playing both sides of the UN card.
The U.S. defied the U.N. in order to attack Iraq for defying the U.N.
Nice post venom.
Be Well.
Posted by: dethspud at May 01, 2005 11:03 PM (J5WU0)
Six More Egyptian Victims for the Religion of Peace
Reuters:
Gunmen seized two Egyptians from their Baghdad office, the third in a new series of audacious operations to kidnap foreigners in the Iraqi capital this month.Also blogging: ChadIn a separate attack that could be related, four Egyptians working for the same company as those seized in Baghdad were abducted in an area west of the capital, an Egyptian diplomat in Baghdad said Friday.
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They're start needing to keep a few pit bulls around.
Posted by: Dick at September 24, 2004 07:50 PM (hu9UN)
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There were also 4 Iraqi's kidnapped along with these 4 Egyptians from the same place where they worked near Fallajah. The other two Egyptians were kidnapped from the same company from their office in Baghdad.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 02:45 AM (D39Vm)
Terrorist Targetting US Citizens in S. Korea?
The US embassy in S. Korea is warning expats that they are the possible targets of terrorists in that country.
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South Korea has sent another 4,000 troops to Iraq, despite warnings from terrorists. By now, they are probably already there. Troops from El Salvadore are already there, too, despite warnings, the same warnings sent to Italy and "the Netherlands" from Mohammed Otta's Martyr's Brigade.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 02:49 AM (D39Vm)
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Sounds like alarmist rhetoric to me.
p.s. El Salvador doesn't have an "e".
Posted by: ecotopia2 at March 17, 2005 12:45 PM (zUVpQ)
Morning Reads
The most important meal of the day is breakfast, or so I'm told. So why not fill up with Blog-crunch, fortified with these essential vitamins and minerals:
-The Demosophist says what a lot of my readers have suggested: implant tracking chips in all aid workers in Iraq.
-Operation 'Fortunate Son' RIP
-Spencer on the connection between Rape and Jihad.
-John Kerry *shock* pandering.
-Cat Stevens fiasco, the funny version.
-Kerry, "I'll Kill bin Laden with my bare hands!"
-Celebrating the holy days.
-Jihadist justifications.
-Mrs. Heinz opens her pie-hole.
-Shame on you!!!
-CBS liberated.
-Buy a soldier a beer!
Ok, got to run to class. Couldn't finish breakfast this morning. Maybe more link droppage later.
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I am without shame.
Posted by: ccwbass at September 24, 2004 01:43 PM (G+UCh)
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Bin Laden is probably already dead. Right now, due to the blasting we're doing in the Falluja area which includes Sadr city, Zarqawi and his henchmen have either been captured or killed - and possibly even any hostages.
~Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 02:51 AM (D39Vm)
Reader Love Mail
I love leftists who still cling to the illusion that the Nazis were "right-wing" and that anti-semitism is something practiced in Christian churches. However, if they would examine their own rhetoric they might understand why killing Americans has such support in the world. Here's some reader "love mail" that might open some eyes. Just a note of caution to posters, I reserve the right to publish e-mail and IP adresses.
IP Address: 203.10.110.***
Name: RussellAyer
Email Address: ****@hotmail.com
URL: http://none
All I can say us Bally Phew to all you blind one eyed Yankies, you deserve all that you get in the world. The Islamists hate you for supporting the jews and going after teh Oil,Bush is mad, Cheney is mad, You are all so blind and uninformed about the truth of the world.
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Man...why hadn't I thought of that? Of course! It's the Jews! (smack forehead)
Seriously though - I've been getting a lot of foreign visitors lately. I think it's from being linked to you!
Actually I've gotten a couple of very nice, supportive emails from Australians - very encouraging, and a nice counter to the wackjobs.
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at September 24, 2004 09:05 AM (4AwR3)
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One other thing - in all fairness, the Nazis were right-wing. They didn't start out that way; when Hitler first joined, it really was a Nationalist Socialist party. But when he took it over, he discarded the Socialist part of their platform. The Nazis busted up unions and Hitler allowed big firms like Krups to make millions off of government contracts. The social legislation of the Nazi government was often what we would consider socialist, but it's considered the center in Europe.
In other words, I'm trying to say that Nazism was whatever Hitler wanted it to be at any given moment. Sometimes it was on the left, but for the most part Nationalism was the constant.
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at September 24, 2004 09:13 AM (4AwR3)
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Maybe, but why is nationalism the hall-mark of 'right-wing'? It seems to be the two most important factors in ideological alignment are 1) government intervention in the economy (for or agin) 2) government intervention in social engineering (for or agin)
I think things like foreign policy and nationalism just happened to often be bundled beliefs along with others.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 10:00 AM (JQjhA)
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Mad, mad, MAD! We're all mad!!!!bwahahahah
Posted by: Jane at September 24, 2004 11:01 AM (AaBEz)
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right-wing: n., The conservative or reactionary faction of a group.
conservative= resistant to change or progress, upholding tradition(my definition).
Posted by: jack at September 24, 2004 11:01 AM (AaBEz)
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Bally Phew?
Posted by: Mr. K at September 24, 2004 11:34 AM (K4Scw)
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The term 'right-wing' goes back to the French Revolution when supporters of the King and other conservative forces happened to sit next to each other on the right side of the assembled body. How are the Nazis, who were for eugenics, against traditional marriage, anti-established religious order, and were a self-proclaimed social revolutionary group resemble anything like Conservatives or other right-wing group?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 12:04 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty,
This is what I call the "Chameleon Fallacy". An individual who commits it will take A) a term, title, or concept, and apply it to B) their target group, individual, or position. Then, when they are shown logically how A does NOT apply to B, they'll redefine A so that it DOES apply, thus sticking B with the stigma that comes with the original meaning of A, even though that stigma is undeserved.
Posted by: Brian B at September 24, 2004 01:58 PM (OnnW3)
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Bravo Brian!!
Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047301.php
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:26 PM (JQjhA)
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Yeah, that guy is a typical leftist.
Is this how the Shackleford empire is to be constructed? Come on.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at September 24, 2004 02:31 PM (62QDG)
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Exactly where did I use the term "typical leftist"? Don't put words in my mouth. While it's true that I often observe individuals of a leftist persuasion engaging in this kind of argument, it's a termed I coined while observing discussions that had nothing to do with politics, and it's sadly commonplace regardless of the topic or persuasion of the offender.
Of course, it's easier to just construct a straw man "He's trying to paint all leftists with that brush" argument than to actually prove that what I described isn't exactly what Jack did.
Posted by: Brian B at September 24, 2004 03:02 PM (OnnW3)
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Whoops, sorry, Peter, I thought you meant the ongoing comments, not the original post. My apologies.
He's not typical of all leftists, but he is becoming all too commonplace among leftists these days, especially among the demonstration crowds.
Posted by: Brian B at September 24, 2004 03:38 PM (OnnW3)
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Bally Phew...A ridiculous, strawberry, Tinky Winky-La-Laa word to substitute profanity. Why then can rabid anti americans who see events as the fall of the WTC with such a gleefull stance can equally "deserve all that they can get in the world" since they sanction the genocidal war of exterminion of IslamicFascism as shown in its true colors by the 9-11 atrocity. Russell Ayer:Would you like to be "sorted" as the descent brits of SAS say" Since we deserve to be killed in mass and you palce squarelly on the Islamic fascist mindset, why then you don't deserve to be killed as a mortal enemy of the US who validates and maybe,in the future, even take part in an act of mass murder like 9-11? It's fair then to be able to put a couple of 9mm in your head and any other of the types that believe "we deserve all that ..." and are apologizing for Osama and Saddam? At first glance the answer is YES! BUT that won't ever happen since scoundrels like you live in a system that permits your stupidity to flourish even among the "intelligetzia" of our College Campuses.a system guaranteed for the US and other countries, even yours, by the sacrifices of countless US military personnel.It's not a fair world, isn't? We are the civilized people but some people can't side with decency and civilization, just can't fail to be on the side of totalitarism.The Islamist savages can count on such hatefull, mediocre, full of complexes individuals even inside the US to be the bums loud mouthing hate and can count with the soft spoken scoundrels of the non-judgemental, relativist,moral equivalency, war-is-not the answer, sionism is rascism, anti western civilization hipocrites.
Posted by: PAX at September 24, 2004 11:57 PM (X/AHs)
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Bally Phew? hehehe a british term? It seems to me this guy is blind and uninformed about the truth of the world?
Think he just happened on by and never read any website before?
The mad hatter.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 02:56 AM (D39Vm)
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I was thinking maybe he had a lisp or something, and was trying to convey his speech defect in writing...bally phew...or is the "bally" actually pronounced "bawley" so as to mean, something like a scarcity of testicles...perhaps the "phew" part of it is that exhalation of air after an exertion of some sort. So that a "bally phew" may be a term for blowing a load?
But if the bally phew rhymes with say, ballyhoo, the maybe it means some sort of deficient hoopla...or maybe its an especially strenuous hype campaign that its tantamount to blowing a load.
So, if that's the case, he must be using metaphor to mean the Kerry-Edwards campaign for President...
but I am just speculating.
Posted by: Mr. K at September 25, 2004 10:26 AM (PVaja)
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Bally Phew...Phew you european neo marxists, neo nazis and bally less appeasers too. Can he understand the phrase: cagate en tu madre izquierdista de mierda.
Posted by: Pax at September 25, 2004 11:35 AM (X/AHs)
September 23, 2004
Terrorists threaten Denmark, beg for Kenneth Bigley's murder even if demands are met
The terrorists who claimed responsibility for the beheading deaths of Simona Pari and Simona Torretta also threatened Denmark with similar incidents. In a message which called aid workers Simona Pari and Simona Torretta "criminal Italian agents of the Italian intelligence services" (see this updated post) the Ansar al-Zawahiri terrorist organization made threats against Danish interests in Iraq and abroad. The same message begs Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization to execute British hostage Kenneth Bigley "even if all the crusader nations around the world submit to their demands."
While some media outlets continue to call terrorists operating in Iraq a "resistance movement" that is simply "opposed to the US occupation", the terrorists themselves explicitly lay out their world-wide goals and raging anti-Semitism in the message. The message also illustrates the extent to which the media fuels the flames of jihadi terrorism by sensationalizing stories such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. References to the global jihad they are engaged in are highlighted in the following translation via Evan F. Kohlman:
“In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful…”“In response to the savage and bloody massacres that Italian forces have carried out against the Iraqi nation in the city of Al-Nasiriya; In response to the Zionist crusader forces in Iraq who have raped Muslims, mocked them, and danced around them in Iraqi prisons; In response to the support of the Italian government for the Zionist forces who kill the Muslims in Palestine; In response to the support of the Italian and Zionist governments for the Russian forces who hold Muslims hostage in Chechen prisons; In response to the insult from the Italians who made Islam sound cold and provocative when they suggested that Western civilization developed from that of Islam; In response to the politics of provocation, arrogance, conceit, and the way that the Italians have mocked the mujahideen threats to them on the Internet; In response to the refusal of the Italian government to accede to our demands: releasing the Muslim prisoners in Iraq, specifying a timetable to withdraw from Iraq, assisting in the release of Muslim prisoners in Chechen prisons, and assisting in the release of all Arab detainees held in the prisons of the Zionist allies, at the behest of the Zionists in their war on Islam:”“Two criminal Italian agents of the Italian intelligence services—Simona Pari and Simona Toretta—have been beheaded without pity or mercy. Allah willing, we will soon publish a videotape of the beheading of the Italian hostages…”
“…Also, the Ansar al-Zawahiri Organization pledges a direct military response to the assassination of the courageous Jordanian mujahid Abu Anas al-Shami in less than 24 hours. We swear by the mighty Allah, we swear by the mighty Allah, we swear by the mighty Allah, that the assassination of Abu Anas al-Shami will not fade without a requisite punishment. And the military response will target the Zionist crusader forces in less than 24 hours.”
“Additionally, we threaten the government of Denmark with the commencement of military strikes with utmost fatal ferocity if it does not declare a timetable for its withdrawal from Iraq. The government of Denmark should benefit from the Italian lesson, and the Russian lesson, and the British lesson, and the American lesson, because we will not show mercy to any Danish citizen who falls into our hands unless the Danish nation submit to our demands.”
“And we appeal to the Tawheed wal-Jihad Movement not to spare the British hostage, and not to show him any mercy or pity, even if all the crusader nations around the world submit to their demands.”
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Spot on, Rusty.
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at September 23, 2004 10:18 PM (gJ3jt)
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How long before all of this ends up in a nuclear confrontation? Somewhere in this mess the trigger is going to be pulled, but where and when? I am concerned about the fact that there are no Islamic leaders really speaking out against this evil, which leads me to believe that Islam does not make much impact morally speaking.
Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2004 10:42 PM (uNlOL)
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See? It doesn't matter - they are bound to kill any and all non-muslim captured, kidnapped, hostages away, so why even bother to try to negotiate these evil, barbaric, savage terrorists anyway?
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 24, 2004 12:29 AM (D39Vm)
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If anyone should know not to pay the Dane-geld, its the Danes.
Posted by: Mr. K at September 24, 2004 06:36 AM (TNL39)
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All Muslims, not just the fanatics, believe that every word of the Quran is quite literally the word of God, absolutely and unquestionably true for all times, places, and people. Combine that with the following quotes about Jihad, and what do you get?:
""Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam. Islam requires the earth - not just a portion, but the whole planet." And that God's Law (Shariah) should be enforced in the world "by force of arms." Truth cannot be confined within geographical borders. "The allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his, but on the faith to which he belongs ... wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country." "
S.A.A. Maududi "Jihad in Islam", Lahore, 1991
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 12:50 PM (vQTt9)
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Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047301.php
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:27 PM (JQjhA)
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Nuclear confrontation? Probably closes than you want to know.
Everybody in Europe better start arming their schools, especially any school that has had work on it during the summer months.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 03:00 AM (D39Vm)
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They have been make threats to Denmark for some time now. At the same They time Denmark receives threatening notes, so does El Salvador - believe it or not, there are forces from El Salvador in Iraq. also refuse to beg into the terrorists and their troops went to Iraq. Not many of course, each country can only spare so many troops, depending upon the size of their country and size of their troops. South Koreo just sent 4,000 more. There are over 61 different coalition troops in Iraq at the moment, if not more. It's really about time the world was told the only reason these terrorists are doing these things is not just to stop troops from coming into Iraq, but to change the outcome of the elections there as well as here in the United States. They do not want Bush in office because they know he will not bend to their will. NO ONE SHOULD. They are also trying to stop the elections in Iraq, as they have been in Afghanistan, but even the only real Grand Ayatollah Cleric Sistani has said that the elections must be held in January and the date not changed despite what these terrorists are doing. The real problem here is the UN and their refusal to come into Iraq - sort of like their refusal to go to Darfur while tens of thousands of people die every day there due to Genocide. The ones doing the killing there are also Arab muslims - Islamists. Because the world is full of Muslims, it is really important that these people stand up and fight for their rights and show the rest of the world that not all Muslim are terrorists because it is giving them a bad name. dah... and it seems that they are getting tired of these islamis terrorists (who aren't even from their country by the way) and they are tired of getting killed, losing their families, living in fear and getting away from the bombs that are being dropped to kill these sons of bitches.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 11:07 PM (D39Vm)
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i would like you to not change japan because it is a great contrey and it rocks but i also love jordan
Posted by: danielle rosner at May 30, 2005 12:12 PM (kcu+7)
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moslems are all islamic fascists who hate wreck 7 destroy everything even fellow islamists,sunnis kill shia & vice versa.all moslems should taken prisoner.all moslems
Posted by: ben at July 02, 2005 04:05 AM (xDty/)
Letter to the President, RE: Murderous Terrorists
A friend of mine is an avid Kerry supporter. No matter what I say about his wrongheadedness, he continues to support John Kerry. Can a Kerry supporter be a patriotic American? Damn right he can. Here is an open letter from David Scott Anderson. I agree exactly. Read the letter below.
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Thanks Rusty, for posting this, and for your friendship. Both mean a lot to me.
Posted by: David Anderson at September 23, 2004 11:41 PM (VCVxu)
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They have been make threats to Denmark for some time now. At the same They time Denmark receives threatening notes, so does El Salvador - believe it or not, there are forces from El Salvador in Iraq. also refuse to beg into the terrorists and their troops went to Iraq. Not many of course, each country can only spare so many troops, depending upon the size of their country and size of their troops. South Koreo just sent 4,000 more. There are over 61 different coalition troops in Iraq at the moment, if not more. It's really about time the world was told the only reason these terrorists are doing these things is not just to stop troops from coming into Iraq, but to change the outcome of the elections there as well as here in the United States. They do not want Bush in office because they know he will not bend to their will. NO ONE SHOULD. They are also trying to stop the elections in Iraq, as they have been in Afghanistan, but even the only real Grand Ayatollah Cleric Sistani has said that the elections must be held in January and the date not changed despite what these terrorists are doing. The real problem here is the UN and their refusal to come into Iraq - sort of like their refusal to go to Darfur while tens of thousands of people die every day there due to Genocide. The ones doing the killing there are also Arab muslims - Islamists. Because the world is full of Muslims, it is really important that these people stand up and fight for their rights and show the rest of the world that not all Muslim are terrorists because it is giving them a bad name. dah... and it seems that they are getting tired of these islamis terrorists (who aren't even from their country by the way) and they are tired of getting killed, losing their families, living in fear and getting away from the bombs that are being dropped to kill these sons of bitches.
The terrorists has asked that all muslims leave Iraq, so they can kidnap, murder and do their damage to any non-muslim in the country. First of all, where would the Iraqi's go? We heard from Allawi today, who spoke to the joint session of Congress, was given a warm welcome and he told them straight out - we will win - please be patient - and he thanked the American people. I am sure he was heard around the world and his speech carried to every ear over there. Our soldiers have had to stop the rebuilding progress, just to fight off these terrorists but I truly believe we are making quite a dent, or why else would they be so desperate right now? They know we are winning the war on terrorism against them and even if they hit these other countries and even our country which they know will do just about everything and anything to stop it - and my gawd, I sure hope they do.
But after listening to Allawi today, he made me feel better about what is happening. He said that none of the troops (coalition, too) and the innocents have not died in vain; his people have also died. He continued to say this fight will eventually be won, even though things look bad now, it's really not as bad as it seems; there is still a lot of good going on there. Again asked for patience, said the Iraqi's will stand by us, actually stand with us, to make this happen. Based on what he had to say today, I finally feel good about this situation and believe we are winning. He came right out and said that invading Iraq and getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do. Thus far, I'd say, he's a pretty good man for the job of prime minister. I hope they hold onto him. I also hope that within the week he also talks at the United Nations (still the most unuseful group of people I have ever met.) Then he thanked us again; Allawi got a standing ovation. Rome was not built in a day and neither will Iraq but it will be happening. Of that, I have no doubt.
Going back to Denmark (I should say "the Netherlands") have been threated before many times, as has Italy and other countries. You'll find the information on these threats in the same place with the threats to a small place like El Savador. No one is going to bend to these terrorists and NO ONE should be blaming Tony Blair for Kenneth Bigley. His family saying that they are all being held hostage because of Tony Blair is preposterous. Then they go on saying that Tony Blair is a puppet of the United States. argh. As Allawi said, if we give in to these terrorists, all we do is give them free license to continue doing what they've been doing. Allawi made me feel very proud for what we are doing in Iraq and it made me even prouder as a United States of America citizen. We were all questioning our beliefs not long ago; anyone who got to see his speech or can find it on c-span and watch it, will also feel proud that we did and are doing the right thing - along with the other 61 plus countries that make up the coalition. We are making progress. We bombed the building where the terrorists were holding prisoners (the 2 americans and the briton workers) where the Iraqi soldiers found the headless body of Jack Hensley. We also killed the leader of the Hawdid and Jihad group that claimed the kidnappings and murder of the other two American waste water plant workers. We are winning, of that there is no doubt, which is why the terrorists are getting desperate. Terrorism is a global problem and it will take every one of us, every person in every country, every government of every country to stop it. The Taliban are recollecting in Afghanistan, and we're losing soldiers there, so maybe it's time to carpet bomb them again. Afghanistan's elections are coming up soon and they will be held no matter what, just as the elections being held in Iraq in January, will also be held.
We have another thorn in our side that needs removing; that person is the radical cleric, Muqtada Al Sadr, so hopefully he will get killed in the bombings in Najaf, Falluja and Sadr City.
If every country stands together; these terrorists will never win. These guys are not Iraqi and they will kill anyone and everyone they kidnap, no matter what anyone does or says, so all we can do is pray for his soul and give his family the emotional support they need to ge through this horrible time. They can't move around very well right now with a victim in an orange jump suit, if he is indeed still alive.
In a way they remind me of today's democratic party - they love to rant and rave and threaten and lie using their religion against us. It does not matter who is there, they just don't like people who are not muslims, but they have no problem killing muslims, either.
The good people of Iraq in areas like Fallujah, Najaf and Sadr city should move out of that area temporarily so they do not become "collateral damage" and let the US and coalition forces flatten it to the ground to get rid of these rats. The only people I see dancing around dead bodies are other radical islamists around soldiers dead, sometimes burnt bodies of our countrymen. I think other muslims around the world are also getting tired of these barbarian terrorists. Not a day too late, either.
~Cindy
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Thankyou excellent post
Posted by: Dee at September 24, 2004 04:05 AM (HfLO2)
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Can a person support the war on terrorism, and support Kerry?
Well, thats who I am. It's a no brainer. Supporting our troops, supporting all out war against international terrorism, these things don't mean support for George Bush.
For many years, going back well before the day of 9-11, I have been waiting for the time the world would take on terrorism. Bush has made an attempt at this, but I always hoped that when it happened, those of us in the free world would be united-there is one of the keys here-in our stand. That the so called Allied forces would work together. The fact is, Bush ignored the rest of the world's thoughts, and he blew a beautiful opportunity at really making a historical, world changing decision, by not taking the time to build a world wide united effort of free people to take on these animals in the way they should be dealt with. Bush blew it, big time. I am not even going to bother going into it deeper than that.
The fact that you Bush supporters stand behind a man, an administration, that mostly avoided service to their country, and that you buy into this nonsense of how it supposedly is that a man who has been to war somehow doesn't know how to fight one, is totally beyond my understanding. It stikes me a bit strange, would you trust a person who never has performed surgery to operate on your heart? Or would you go with the guy who has?
So without further kudos, thats who I am: a supporter of our war against terrorism (Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11), a supporter of our troops. I am an independent voter, and usually split my votes based on what I hear, rather that beiong simple enough to vote party lines. Freedom is much more sacred than that.
Geoff New Hampshire
Posted by: geoff at September 24, 2004 05:07 AM (Pbs6a)
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I still can't believe what I am reading. You can not defeat an ideology in the way that you defeat an army. There are struggles all over the world where terrorism has crippled countries for years such as in Israel, Palestine, Spain Irelnd and England to name but a few. Why does America think it can suddenly win this war by invading Iraq? Bin Laden was the terrorist who launched the attacks on the US, not Saddam Hussein. As repellant a man that he is, I re-itterate, he was not a threat to the US. With regards to Bin Laden, how come he is not being pursued in the way that Saddam was? Lost the appetite for the fight beause it has suddenly dawned on you that such people are very difficult to apprehend. Or, could it be more sinister than that?
Regardless of your stance on the war, whether you be for it or against it, the fact remains that the conflict is now an almighty cock-up. There is no easy solution. An allied withdrawl will probably see a fundamentalist regime take over. Compared to Saddam's securalist state, do you honestly believe that this will serve the people of Iraq better? Similarly, do you see the re-introduction of diplomatic relations between Iraq and the West under such a regime?
Carrying on the battle will result in further bloodshed. Stealth bombing, special forces will not bring an end to this conflict either. Neither will gung ho attitudes, such as "it our duty to save the world from such tyrants". It is a case of damned if we do damned if we dont. Sadly the current administrataion in the US failed to heed the warnings from countries with expeience of terrorism and a real perception of the Middle east and now finds itself the chief target of every fundamentalist Islamic terrorist group in the world. It is not anti war protestors whom the Americans should be berating but rather its own inept and twisted government.
I despise terrorism and its supporters. I am saddened that I can offer no viable solution to the problem. But equally I am apalled at the arrogance of those supporter of the war, whom say that they are trying to make the world a safer place. The world is not a safer place and where-as before the religions of Islam and the rest of the world co-existed to a degree, we are now beginning to see moderate Muslims voice their protests in more determined language. The war if anything is polarising the world's opinions as opposed to uniting then. Thanks a lot Mr Bush et al
Iraqi insurgents, whether they be the remanants of the Ba'ath party, ordinary Iraqis disillusioned by the so-called liberation are now being joined by foreign fanatics.
Posted by: James at September 24, 2004 05:39 AM (4PPsx)
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Geoff, many of those who are against Kerry do so because they don't think he can LEAD. Just because he reluctantly went to war, shot himself in the foot a few times to get out of it, and protested against it, does not mean he'd be a good commander in chief. He doesn't seem to have the stomache for it. Whether you think Bush is right or wrong, we know where he stands. He doesn't need to know how to shoot a weapon or dodge bullets in a swift boat to be commander in chief: he has to be able to make decisions.
And if you're gonna argue that it shows his integrity, that arguement doesn't hold water either. As I've pointed out before, the Beltway Sniper that killed civilians in front of Home Depot stores last year was a trained military soldier.
I've admitted before that both presidential candidates have their downsides. Bush err's on the side of "shot em up", as most Texans do. Kerry, I'm afraid, would do more to strengthen the resolve of the terrorists than the alternative. If you read some of the other posts here on mypetjawa, you'll see that the terrorists aren't Iraqi, they're not doing this just becase the coalition invaded Iraq, but their justifcation comes from all anti-muslim actions around the world, including Russia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that if the coalition hadn't invaded Iraq, the terrorists would be sitting by their campfires knitting mittens instead of killing people. We just made it easy for them because we put their enemies right in their own back yard, where they're free to hunt.
And James, you may think it's arrogant to support the war, but there are those of us who think it's just as bad to be ignorant about it enough to give the terrorists their victory without a fight. We're not at war with Iraq. We're are war with the people who use terror to conquer others. I'm afraid they've conquered you.
As for you anti-war protestors: you have the right to protest the administration for making what you feel was the wrong decision. But when you use your terroristic like actions to berate the families of our soldiers, I think you've put yourselves in the same cave as Bin Ladin.
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:22 PM (vQTt9)
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Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:27 PM (JQjhA)
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DB. This site is beginning to resemble a rubbish tip with the amount of absolute crap that's been submitted. I have not berated the family of anyone and would not consider myself ignorant of the facts surrounding the war. Neither do I consider myself conquered by the terrorists nor do I share their politcal/religious beliefs. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me.
I live in London, but am not English. I did not feel any threat from Saddam Hussein. However since the US led invasion of Iraq, I would say that the possibility of an attack on the Uk mainland by Islamic extremists has increased dramatically. And for that I, like the majority of the British public would hold Blair and Bush accountable. Saddam was a deply unpleaseant leader but he was not an Islamic terrorist which appears to be the understanding of quite a few of the regular contributors.
It is obvious that we will never agree on the legitimacy of the war nor the legality of the war. Still think it would have been more prudent for the US to have concentrated its efforts on dealing with Bin Laden rather than extending the "war on terror" by invading Iraq.
The almighty mess that is Iraq was avoidable. Were it not for the agenda of that neanderthal you call a president, Bin Laden could be in irons now awaiting trial for crimes against humanity. Instead, Bin Laden could be holed up anywhere plotting God knows what, but atleast shit for brains Bus has got his lttle war, it's just thats its not that little anymore.
On another note, and this is not directed towards you but in general to those who believe that europe is lacking in a free media. Firstly the media in most countries have a political agenda of some kind and perhaps nowhere is this most eveident than in Europe. However, where as our reportage is politically biased, just as yours is, ours is uncensored. In Europe we are allowed make up our own minds which I'm afraid can not be said in the US. I can say this because I spent several years working in Chicago. Were it not for the internet, keeping abreast of what was going on in the world would have been nigh on impossible.
Posted by: james at September 28, 2004 10:03 AM (4PPsx)
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SEEKING A WAY FORWARD FOR IRAQ.
It is surely critical that we support efforts to improve the economy for the benefit of Iraq and its citizens. Indeed, many UK companies, which are currently conducting business worth £1.4 billion, have made it clear that they will stay in Iraq despite the risks.
The Chartered Institute of Arbitrators in London has been contacted three times in one week to give advice on the generic principles of setting up contracts including private dispute resolution, to assist in business between Iraqi companies and potential international partners.
For this to continue, it is imperative that media coverage demonstrates greater breadth and avoids stroking the egos of terrorist groups, encouraging business and much-needed investment.
Posted by: paul at September 29, 2004 05:51 PM (bEA/9)
British Media Exploit Next Beheading Victims Mother
I can't say I blame the mother of soon to be victim of the religion of peace, Briton Kenneth Bigley. I do, however, blame the British media for exploiting an 86 year old woman's pleas for her sons life for their own political purposes. The British media has consistently opposed the war in Iraq and has used every propaganda tool possible to portray that war in the worst light. For instance, Reuters has consistently refused to use the word "terrorist", even when describing those about to behead a fellow Englishman. The Guardian has been on the forefront of this campaign. Further evidence from The Guardian:
The 86-year-old mother of the Iraq hostage Kenneth Bigley appeared in public for the first time to beg for his release yesterday as the desperate waiting game entered its second week.Shame on you Guardian. British readers inform me that the BBC has been doing the same.Lil Bigley, supported by her sons Philip, 49, and Stan, 64, begged the Islamist group to free him. In tears she urged: "Will you please help my son? He is only a working man who wants to support his family. Please show mercy to Ken. Send him home to me alive. His family need him and I need him."
But the strain of the public appearance and the anguish of the past eight days had taken its toll on Mrs Bigley - 2 hours after she made her appeal an ambulance was called to the family's Liverpool home. She was taken out on a stretcher and driven to hospital.
Dr Mashood Siddiqi, a consultant from Aintree hospital, had visited Mrs Bigley earlier in the evening. He said: "We are monitoring her condition. She has been under a lot of stress today but she is a strong lady."
It was revealed last night that the families of the two murdered American hostages had phoned the Bigleys to offer them support and sympathy.
Before being taken to hospital, Mrs Bigley said she had been touched by their call, adding she could not imagine what they were going through.
She added that she found the hours between 6pm and 9pm the worst each evening but the family had been taking strength from each other.
Her intervention came after the family rejected Foreign Office advice on how to handle the crisis and instead opted to make their own appeals.
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How is this exploiting the mother of her child who is about to face execution? If it were my child, I would do anything, anything in the world to try to save him/her. Quite frankly, the last thing I'd be worrying about is whether I was being "used" by the government when my child is facing death. I dont understand why she is being exploited. If I thought appearing on TV and appealing to these monsters would make the slightest difference, then I would.
As for the UK media exploiting the situation, not much exploitation is needed as there is a strong, strong anti-war feeling existing in the UK anyway. I for one, supported the invasion at the beginning and was truly glad that Saddam Hussein was caught. However, my opinions have changed over the course of time due to (a) the ill thought out exit plans for this war (b) the reasons as to why we invaded seem fraudulent-I was under the illusion we were invading due to WMD's-which is now not true (c) the war has become a Pandora's Box. Innocent people are being killed every day and it is just going to get worse and worse. Where and when is this all going to end?
Anyway, I am thinking deeply of Mr Bigley and his family at this horrific time. I also want to say that my deepest sympathies are sent to Mr Armstrong and Mr Hensley's families. It is just deplorable what these monsters have done.
Posted by: scotinnewzealand at September 23, 2004 09:43 PM (/1Ftv)
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I too as a mother would want to go public and would find away of doing so at what ever cost, i am sure that if it was my son that was awaiting his death i would want to be over in Iraq not sat at home waiting, i know this would be impossible
I think the sooner our lads and ladies of the armed forces can clear Iraq of the religious fanatics who are capable of committing such atrocities on fellow human beings, the better. People who are willing to perform such extreme stunts for worldwide acclaim, or even if they genuinely do simply want their chemical weapons scientists, these people are not wanting peace. They are waging a war, with themselves and the rest of the civilized world. Actions such as this belong in the Dark Ages, not in the 21st century.
I personally don't think the media is showing enough, I made what may have been the mistake of watching one of the beheading videos, I had to turn it off before the very end. What it made me feel is best described physically sick,After seeing the video all I wanted was the complete destruction of Zarqawi and anyone associated with him. I can't imagine a better recruitment video for the military.
The UK government says it will never negotiate with terrorists, yet the UK government negotiated with the IRA over the years so why not now?
Posted by: Dee at September 24, 2004 04:30 AM (HfLO2)
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There is no way the UK government should negotiate on this. Much as I feel totally sick for Ken Bigley and his family, if the government starts negotiating and meeting the demands of these subhuman monsters, it would be like open day for the terrorists. What next? Oh, Mr Blair, look we've captured another hostage and we are going to slaughter him if you don't assist in the release of Saddam Hussein? No, Tony Blair has got it right in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" nightmare scenario.
By the way, I dont think it is wise to bring up the issue of the UK government and IRA. That is a different league and a different ballgame...I should know as one side of my family are from Ulster.
Posted by: scotinnewzealand at September 24, 2004 05:08 AM (PeyrW)
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By the way, I don't think it is wise to bring up the issue of the UK government and IRA. That is a different league and a different ballgame...I should know as one side of my family are from Ulster.
what i was saying was that our government lies again in saying it will never negotiate with terrorists, yet the UK government negotiated with the IRA over the years so why not now?
And as far as you letting me know as one side of your family are from Ulster.so what my fathers from southern Ireland, allot of people in the UK have Irish backgrounds
Posted by: Dee at September 24, 2004 05:55 AM (y2axR)
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just released on yahoo news
Straw said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with their families, and we continue to do all that we can to secure Mr. Bigley's release..so see mr sotinnewzealand there might be hope yet
another thing you pasted (Oh, Mr Blair, look we've captured another hostage and we are going to slaughter him if you don't assist in the release of Saddam Hussein?)
have you got kids of your own?
Posted by: Dee at September 24, 2004 06:09 AM (y2axR)
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Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047301.php
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:27 PM (JQjhA)
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DEE: I am a mother of 3 children. As I said in my first post, like you, I would do anything to save any one of my children. I'd chop off my hands, extract my teeth, donate my entire organs to these people if it meant saving my child. Having said that, it is "easier" for me to say the UK government shouldnt negotiate with the terrorists because I am not in that poor family's awful predicament. But the the UK government, especially Tony Blair is in a terrible predicament too, and an unenviable one at that.What I was trying to say, maybe not very well, is that no government can negotiate with these terrorists because it just paves the way for more copy-cat killings.These terrorist will just think they have been given the green light to abduct and threaten murder towards any foreigner if they know governments will bow to their demands.
I read on another website today (when I can remember where I found it, I will post it here) that the terrorist group holding Mr Bigley have said they will not negotiate and they do not negotiate with western governments. They have set their demands and if they are not met, they will kill Mr Bigley. It is an utter nightmare. No side is willing to bend but I can understand why the UK government wont bend and remove their troops etc. Much as I no longer agree with this war (in my little opinion, as I said earlier, this war has opened up a can of worms and quite frankly, is on the brink of developing into a civil war, if it isnt that already), I would be even more disappointed with Tony Blair if he removed the UK troops. We have created part of this mess so now we must clear it up and god only knows how we are going to do that due to again, the ill thought out exit plans.
I, like you, am holding on to the thought, that there is still hope for Mr Bigley. I wouldn't wish that situation he and his family are in on my worst enemy.
Just on a final note, what scares me is that if the terrorists do execute Mr Bigley, I truly fear what is going to happen in the UK. I really mean that. For any US citizen reading this, we have real and I mean real, racial tensions in certain areas in the UK. I honestly do think things will "kick off" in the UK with regards to retaliation attacks on muslims/mosques/ethnic minorities. And this is playing right into the terrorists hands.......spreading their word of hatred and evil.
Oh, I am dreading coming back home to the UK next year.
Posted by: scotinnewzealand at September 24, 2004 06:49 PM (PeyrW)
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"Dr Mashood Siddiqi, a consultant from Aintree hospital".............a Muslim doctor, monitoring her condition? kinda ironic? just weird?
Posted by: jack at September 24, 2004 11:57 PM (AaBEz)
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The U.K media tend to do this all the time. I does what it has to to sellpapers. Its a shame but the truth.
Posted by: Craig K at September 25, 2004 12:27 PM (b5W6Y)
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I am a mother too, and a citizen of the United Sates Of America.
I cannot imagine myself in the situation of Mr. Bigley's mother, and the like of Mr. Armsstrong and Mr. Hensley.
But, I can understand why the government refuse to negotiate with terrorists. Terrorists have insatiable hunger for killing. No negotiations will solve problems of this kind. It will never be a guarantee that these mad people will change their hearts for the good, because they have absoultely no goodness in even the tiniest pores of their skin.
The only consolation I have is knowing that they too will die eventually. I only hope that they die soonest and not later.
I keep a very angry feeling deep in my heart for what is happening to innocent people in Iraq....but, we are at war, and war does that.
I simply pray...pray that the Good Lord looks kindly upon us all. death afterall is simply a beginning of the afterlife. Those terrorists killing people like chickens will never accomplish anything anyway. Let us all hope that the war ends soon, and that we can look to a new tommorow one day.
Posted by: rosie russell at October 08, 2004 08:54 PM (ZgSsZ)
Dan Rather Trinity Update
The Trinity of the Dan Rather Watch: Bill, Allah, and Ace (the mystery of the Blog Trinity is only overshadowed by it's glory) chime in today. Hey, you think all I talk about here is the Religion of Irony?
Bill at INDC has some incite into the Rather/DNC connection. There's no way you can tell me that CBS didn't give the memos to the DNC.
Allah proves his omniscience with his media coverage watch.
And Ace on the real issues.
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Posted by: Brian B at September 23, 2004 07:17 PM (OnnW3)
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They have been make threats to Denmark for some time now. At the same time Denmark receives threatening notes, so does El Salvador - believe it or not, there are forces from El Salvador in Iraq. They also refuse to beg into the terrorists and their troops went to Iraq. Not many of course, each country can only spare so many troops, depending upon the size of their country and size of their troops. South Koreo just sent 4,000 more. There are over 61 different coalition troops in Iraq at the moment, if not more. It's really about time the world was told the only reason these terrorists are doing these things is not just to stop troops from coming into Iraq, but to change the outcome of the elections there as well as here in the United States. They do not want Bush in office because they know he will not bend to their will. NO ONE SHOULD. They are also trying to stop the elections in Iraq, as they have been in Afghanistan, but even the only real Grand Ayatollah Cleric Sistani has said that the elections must be held in January and the date not changed despite what these terrorists are doing. The real problem here is the UN and their refusal to come into Iraq - sort of like their refusal to go to Darfur while tens of thousands of people die every day there due to Genocide. The ones doing the killing there are also Arab muslims - Islamists. Because the world is full of Muslims, it is really important that these people stand up and fight for their rights and show the rest of the world that not all Muslim are terrorists because it is giving them a bad name. dah... and it seems that they are getting tired of these islamis terrorists (who aren't even from their country by the way) and they are tired of getting killed, losing their families, living in fear and getting away from the bombs that are being dropped to kill these sons of bitches.
The terrorists has asked that all muslims leave Iraq, so they can kidnap, murder and do their damage to any non-muslim in the country. First of all, where would the Iraqi's go? We heard from Allawi today, who spoke to the joint session of Congress, was given a warm welcome and he told them straight out - we will win - please be patient - and he thanked the American people. I am sure he was heard around the world and his speech carried to every ear over there. Our soldiers have had to stop the rebuilding progress, just to fight off these terrorists but I truly believe we are making quite a dent, or why else would they be so desperate right now? They know we are winning the war on terrorism against them and even if they hit these other countries and even our country which they know will do just about everything and anything to stop it - and my gawd, I sure hope they do.
But after listening to Allawi today, he made me feel better about what is happening. He said that none of the troops (coalition, too) and the innocents have not died in vain; his people have also died. He continued to say this fight will eventually be won, even though things look bad now, it's really not as bad as it seems; there is still a lot of good going on there. Again asked for patience, said the Iraqi's will stand by us, actually stand with us, to make this happen. Based on what he had to say today, I finally feel good about this situation and believe we are winning. He came right out and said that invading Iraq and getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do. Thus far, I'd say, he's a pretty good man for the job of prime minister. I hope they hold onto him. I also hope that within the week he also talks at the United Nations (still the most unuseful group of people I have ever met.) Then he thanked us again; Allawi got a standing ovation. Rome was not built in a day and neither will Iraq but it will be happening. Of that, I have no doubt.
Going back to Denmark (I should say "the Netherlands") have been threated before many times, as has Italy and other countries. You'll find the information on these threats in the same place with the threats to a small place like El Savador. No one is going to bend to these terrorists and NO ONE should be blaming Tony Blair for Kenneth Bigley. His family saying that they are all being held hostage because of Tony Blair is preposterous. Then they go on saying that Tony Blair is a puppet of the United States. argh. As Allawi said, if we give in to these terrorists, all we do is give them free license to continue doing what they've been doing. Allawi made me feel very proud for what we are doing in Iraq and it made me even prouder as a United States of America citizen. We were all questioning our beliefs not long ago; anyone who got to see his speech or can find it on c-span and watch it, will also feel proud that we did and are doing the right thing - along with the other 61 plus countries that make up the coalition. We are making progress. We bombed the building where the terrorists were holding prisoners (the 2 americans and the briton workers) where the Iraqi soldiers found the headless body of Jack Hensley. We also killed the leader of the Hawdid and Jihad group that claimed the kidnappings and murder of the other two American waste water plant workers. We are winning, of that there is no doubt, which is why the terrorists are getting desperate. Terrorism is a global problem and it will take every one of us, every person in every country, every government of every country to stop it. The Taliban are recollecting in Afghanistan, and we're losing soldiers there, so maybe it's time to carpet bomb them again. Afghanistan's elections are coming up soon and they will be held no matter what, just as the elections being held in Iraq in January, will also be held.
We have another thorn in our side that needs removing; that person is the radical cleric, Muqtada Al Sadr, so hopefully he will get killed in the bombings in Najaf, Falluja and Sadr City.
If every country stands together; these terrorists will never win. These guys are not Iraqi and they will kill anyone and everyone they kidnap, no matter what anyone does or says, so all we can do is pray for his soul and give his family the emotional support they need to ge through this horrible time. They can't move around very well right now with a victim in an orange jump suit, if he is indeed still alive.
In a way they remind me of today's democratic party - they love to rant and rave and threaten and lie using their religion against us. It does not matter who is there, they just don't like people who are not muslims, but they have no problem killing muslims, either.
The good people of Iraq in areas like Fallujah, Najaf and Sadr city should move out of that area temporarily so they do not become "collateral damage" and let the US and coalition forces flatten it to the ground to get rid of these rats. The only people I see dancing around dead bodies are other radical islamists around soldiers dead, sometimes burnt bodies of our countrymen. I think other muslims around the world are also getting tired of these barbarian terrorists. Not a day too late, either.
~Cindy
aka FIRSTBROKENANGEL
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 24, 2004 12:10 AM (D39Vm)
Allawi sees hope in Iraq
Some thoughts from Iraqi Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi to the US Congress today. In it, he reminds us that just because the media did not broadcast the attrocities committed under the Hussein regime, they were real nonetheless. Fox News via Jane:
More below.It's a tough struggle with setbacks, but we are succeeding.
I have seen some of the images that are being shown here on television. They are disturbing. They focus on the tragedies, such as the brutal and barbaric murder of two American hostages this week.
My thoughts and prayers go out to their families and to all those who lost loved ones.
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The attrocities of the Hussein regime were indeed real. Perhaps we should remember that most were committed during a long period of U.S. support for the dictator. Does remembering this make me a terrorist enthusiast like Chomsky?
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Professor Peter Von Nostrand,
You know the answer to that--YES!!!!!!!!
;-)
Not directly, mind you, but by subscribing to the same heuristics as the terrorists do (ie, American foreign policy is evil) you do, indirectly, give them morol support for what they do. To condemn violence universally meaningless when you single out a particular side for condemnation and for linking cause and effect. If America is the "cause" of so much suffering in the world then the solution to the world's problems immediately become manifest: make war on America. It follows fromt he Chomskyian premise. Unless you hope to convert the world to passifism I suggest your position is not only untenable, but also dangerous. Not that your motivations are bad, only that the results of your theory are.
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Thanks for the link.
Posted by: Jane at September 23, 2004 03:32 PM (AaBEz)
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Kerry's response to Allawi? "What do you know?"
Posted by: Brian B at September 23, 2004 04:49 PM (OnnW3)
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Rusty,
A) Chomsky doesn't condemn violence universally. He is not a passifist. As Frank Reynolds once said, "Will somebody here please get it right, Damnit!?" It really is important to know somebody's argument before you run around suggesting they promote terrorism.
B) How rational is it to decide Chomsky's premise is wrong based in large part on how you think people will react to it?
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I thought Allawi's speech was excellent and exactly what the people of the United States needed to hear. When he was done, he got a standing ovation. He thanked us. It made me feel better about being in Iraq.
~Cindy
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:28 PM (JQjhA)
Afghan Elections, Hope for the Region
Fingers crossed, BBC Article via the Commissar:
On 9 October, for the first time ever, men and women over the age of 18 in Afghanistan will have the chance to choose a new president.The incumbent, Hamid Karzai, is expected to win, but he faces 17 other candidates ensuring that this will be a tough and rigorous exercise in democracy.
In a neighbourhood where military dictators, autocrats and ruling mullahs are the norm, the elections in Afghanistan will be a watershed and both a signal of hope for its neighbours as well as a potential threat.
The Afghan election, even if 60% successful, will be a major blow to al-Qaeda and the Taleban who have pledged to disrupt it.
It will signal that the birth place of al-Qaeda, who just three years ago were virtually in charge of running Afghanistan, can no longer count on popular support.
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Beheading Videos Top Sellers in Baghdad
I posted on this a couple of weeks ago, seems like the word is getting out. On the one hand at least there's porn, not that I'm pro-porn, but it is a sign of secularization. On the other hand, porn and beheadings are not the most healthy combo. AP
Once such gory videos are posted on the Internet it does not take long for them to make their way to the packed stalls of central Baghdad's Bab al-Sharqi marketplace where consumer appetite is hungry for bloody spectacle. In the teeming open-air market, television sets rigged to sound systems broadcast the sounds and sights of tortured hostages, belly dancers and pornographic movie stars. Shoppers can ask stallholders to play DVDs that catch their attention.Hat Tip: James Joyner
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so much for the moral clarity and superiority of Islam. LOL!
Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2004 10:53 PM (uNlOL)
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That's disgusting ---- didn't they have enough of that when Saddam was in power?
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 11:09 PM (D39Vm)
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I love watching the beheading videos. It's a little tit for tat, ya know?
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this plaec sucks it has no videos
Posted by: claire at June 30, 2005 03:33 PM (ev7OH)
VDH on the UN
Victor David Hanson in today's WSJ (subscription):
These are surreal times. Americans in Iraq are beheaded on videotape. Russian children are machine-gunned in their schools. The elderly in Israel continue to be blown apart on buses. No one--whether in Madrid, Istanbul, Riyadh, Bali, Tel Aviv or New York--is safe from the Islamic fascist, whose real enemy is modernism and Western-inspired freedom of the individual.More below. more...
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Zarqawi Website Confirms Beheading Responsibility, Bigley still alive
The website used by Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization has posted the videotaped beheading murder of American hostage Jack Hensley, confirming earlier reports that Zarqawi's group was responsible. The website also posted a video, released earlier at an Islamic discussion board, of Briton Kenneth Bigley pleading for his life. An obvious propaganda film aimed at bringing public pressure on the Blair government, Bigley is seen in the video pleading for the help of British citizens in securing his release.
The website also posted a message which tries to blame Blair's Labour government for Mr. Bigley's predicament. The site claimed the Bigley would be released if "tens" of female prisoners in Iraq are freed. The Coalition Authority claims only 2 women are being held, both of whom worked on Saddam Hussein's WMD program.
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Dear Mr. Rusty...ummm shouldnt that be Jack Hensley? not Kinsley? (not being a pain...just pointing out the typo)
Posted by: ShaniFaye at September 23, 2004 10:36 AM (RXjHU)
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There is a webpage that is claiming that the reason behind these hostage takings is because security has been compromised from within.
Sounds resonable to me as I have thought from the word get that these people are right under the coalitions noses thus their mask wearing to disguse themselves from those they are working in plain view of.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:42 AM (hD5mx)
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Damn they I just looked at the Iraqi3 site and their graphics have his name wrong!!
Posted by: ShaniFaye at September 23, 2004 10:43 AM (RXjHU)
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Yeah, NEIN is a good source for some stuff, but I find their "exclusive analysis" to be based on rumors they hear at Islamic bulletin boards. So, when it comes to news they seem pretty good--but their analysis tends to be pretty spotty--especially their warnings of imminent attacks they make from time to time.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 12:16 PM (JQjhA)
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I know that we shouldn't give into the terroists but can't we just fake it?????
They could ve faked the release of the female "prisoners" ...I know the terrorists are playing for the media but at least we could ve tried...!!!!
Posted by: Roopesh at September 23, 2004 02:50 PM (q9wBH)
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It seems that Britain has ruled out negotiating with the kidnappers, and the US says it will not allow the release of a woman scientist being held in Iraq.
Mr Blair spoke to the family, who are staying at Mr Bigley's mother's home in Walton, for a second time an hour before she made her appeal on Thursday.
After watch Mr Bigley pleading on that video some thing is sticking in my mind , he says something about releasing the female prisoners as they have children and husband that are missing them too (or something along them lines) it makes me wonder if any of the tawhid and jihad Group, led by al-Qaeda suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, thats holding Mr Bigley, are related to either of these female prisoners
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makes me wonder if any of the tawhid and jihad Group, led by al-Qaeda suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, thats holding Mr Bigley, are related to either of these female prisoners?
Gee Whiz if I was your mate and knew how to kill people,
wouldn't you want me back to?
WAKE UP!
Posted by: ? at September 23, 2004 04:57 PM (pKxId)
NATO to Send More Help to Iraq
Today's good news watch, NATO sending 300 trainers to Iraq to help bolster the home grown security force. Objections in NATO? That was a rhetorical question. France of course, along with mini-me-France, eg-Belgium. Of course the Frogs and their Zeropa allies have openned up their hearts to the Iraqi people and dedicated exactly zero funds and no troops to help train the new Iraqi military. These same countries also insisted that they be eligible for US rebuilding contracts. More info here and here.
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Rusty....I trust that you have seem my postings from earlier this morning and you that you can see that I was not responsible for the nasty posts purporting to be from me? Can you acknowledge that please?
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 09:19 AM (4PPsx)
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No, I can't read all the comments. But if it happens again please e-mail me directly and I can take care of it.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 09:26 AM (JQjhA)
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Ayad Allawi is talking to the US Congress at the moment. He is doing very good and Congress is giving him a really good welcome. As long as they promise to stay with them (Iraqi's) he truly believes in the long run it will be worth it not only to US, the coalition forces, but to Iraq and the rest of the world.
Some are standing up and really giving him quite a reception, I hope they stick with their promise of help. He is thanking them for all their help and to please not give up. He is getting standing ovations.
Of course Senators Kerry and Edwards are not there. The man is smiling and getting a very warm welcome. There will be a Q and A later in the Rose Garden.
I hope people get to see this.
Cindy
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I also think NATO could afford more than 300 troops to help train the Iraqi's. Fox is calling him the "Winston Churchill" of Iraq. He is a man under seige and still gives a message of hope to the world, to the American people, to the wounded and to the dead. He did not sugar coat; he believes they can succeed and beat the terrorists.
If you can't see it during the day, try to find it on cspan so that you can hear from the man himself.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 23, 2004 09:43 AM (D39Vm)
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RS. what is your email please?
Posted by: james at September 23, 2004 09:46 AM (4PPsx)
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"mini-me France", ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Posted by: Johnny Walker Red at September 23, 2004 09:52 AM (4AwR3)
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mypetjawa@yahoo.com
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 10:15 AM (JQjhA)
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You know my email Rusty - you said not to use Yahoo for you were having problems with it. So stuck in YEEHAW insteat.
300 troops from NATO - that's it??? How ridiculous but then again, that's the UN for ya!
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 11:13 PM (D39Vm)
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On top of that - a long time ago, Bush said that those who sent troops and funds would get the first pick at any rebuilding contracts, after all, they deserve them.
Why should France get anything? They haven't done anything in Iraq at all and their stance still has not changed.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 11:15 PM (D39Vm)
September 22, 2004
Two Italian Women Hostages Murdered, UPDATED--make that 'beheaded'
UPDATE 9/23: The Italian government remains skeptical over the claims (story here). I am more confident of the claims. The original abduction was on Sept. 7th. Three days later, a message was left by a group called "Ansar al-Zawahiri", threatened to behead the hostages within 24 hrs and that their bodies would never be found. Today, Reuters reports that Ansar al-Zawahiri will soon release a video of Simona Pari and Simona Torretta being beheaded. I pray that I'm wrong, but suspect that I am not. The religion of irony has struck again.
A group calling itself the Jihad Organisation in Iraq have claimed to have murdered Simona Pari and Simona Torretta (pictured right, click to enlarge). The two Italian women were in Iraq as aid workers helping Iraqi children. They worked for A Bridge to Baghdad an organization that was in Iraq before the war, which attempted to end UN sanctions. May God speed you to his rest, and may his wrath rain down on those who murdered you. According to Reuters the group said:
We in the Jihad Organisation in Iraq announce that God's verdict has been passed on the two Italian prisoners by slaughtering, after the Italian government headed by the vile (Prime Minister Silvio) Berlusconi did not listen to our one condition to withdraw from Iraq," the statement said.My previous post and background information is here. As I said in that post "Next thing you know they will be grabbing Mother Theresa's corpse and threatening to behead it.""We warn the Italian government that we will continue to strike, and to strike every foreigner living in Iraq," said the statement, dated September 22.
UPDATE 9/23: Via Chad Evans I found the full message from the al-Jihad Organization in Iraq, as translated by Evan F. Kohlman reads:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful:UPDATE II 9/23: A second group has claimed responsibility for their deaths. Again, translation via Evan F. Kohlman:Praise be to Allah, Lord of this world and the next, and may His peace be upon the leader of his mujahideen. We in the Jihad Organization in Iraq announce that AllahÂ’s verdict has been executed on the two Italian prisoners by slaughtering them, after the Italian government headed by the evil Berlusconi ignored our sole condition to withdraw from Iraq. We in the Jihad Organization warn the Italian government that we will continue to strike, and to strike every foreigner living in Iraq. We will not relent and we will not yield until we dig your graves in every inch of the land of Islam.
We will make Iraq a cemetery for you and all those who let themselves be seduced into committing aggression against the Muslims. Those who have done wrong will meet their fate.
“In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful…”“In response to the savage and bloody massacres that Italian forces have carried out against the Iraqi nation in the city of Al-Nasiriya; In response to the Zionist crusader forces in Iraq who have raped Muslims, mocked them, and danced around them in Iraqi prisons; In response to the support of the Italian government for the Zionist forces who kill the Muslims in Palestine; In response to the support of the Italian and Zionist governments for the Russian forces who hold Muslims hostage in Chechen prisons; In response to the insult from the Italians who made Islam sound cold and provocative when they suggested that Western civilization developed from that of Islam; In response to the politics of provocation, arrogance, conceit, and the way that the Italians have mocked the mujahideen threats to them on the Internet; In response to the refusal of the Italian government to accede to our demands: releasing the
Muslim prisoners in Iraq, specifying a timetable to withdraw from Iraq, assisting in the release of Muslim prisoners in Chechen prisons, and assisting in the release of all Arab detainees held in the prisons of the Zionist allies, at the behest of the Zionists in their war on Islam:”“Two criminal Italian agents of the Italian intelligence services—Simona Pari and Simona Toretta—have been beheaded without pity or mercy. Allah willing, we will soon publish a videotape of the beheading of the Italian hostages…”
“…Also, the Ansar al-Zawahiri Organization pledges a direct military response to the assassination of the courageous Jordanian mujahid Abu Anas al-Shami in less than 24 hours. We swear by the mighty Allah, we swear by the mighty Allah, we swear by the mighty Allah, that the assassination of Abu Anas al-Shami will not fade without a requisite punishment. And the military response will target the Zionist crusader forces in less than 24 hours.”
“Additionally, we threaten the government of Denmark with the commencement of military strikes with utmost fatal ferocity if it does not declare a timetable for its withdrawal from Iraq. The government of Denmark should benefit from the Italian lesson, and the Russian lesson, and the British lesson, and the American lesson, because we will not show mercy to any Danish citizen who falls into our hands unless the Danish nation submit to our demands.” “And we appeal to the Tawheed wal-Jihad Movement not to spare the British hostage, and not to show him any mercy or pity, even if all the crusader nations around the world submit to their demands.”
Today has been a very bad day.
Hat tip: Jon
PS-If anyone has a tip, please e-mail me. Too many comments for me to properly read them all.
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Do we know their religion? I'm assuming they're Catholic.
Most Italians are Catholic, as am I, but let's not forget that when the US decided to go into Iraq to liberate millions of oppressed people, the Pope called George Bush -- not Saddam Hussein -- to talk him out of action that might kill innocent people.
If the Vatican says nothing now, it deserves to disappear.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at September 22, 2004 08:41 PM (39Dn8)
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hey just wondering about the last 2 videos: obviously i am horrified, but: i notice some sounds towards the end of the decapitations which sound like pig/beast noises dubbed in. i have a good ear and i'm pretty sure the noises i mentioned are not authentic. so my question: did the terrorists dub it in, or did it happen somewhere else along the chain? its a bit weird, but i'm wondering if it is some sort of sick commentary or joke on the radicals' part, maybe equating the infidel with pigs or something? listen closely, i don't think the audio is all natural.
i'm sure i'll get alot of people thinking i'm callous/uncaring or whatever, but really i'm just a bit scientific by nature, and i am truly wondering if anyone else noticed this.
Posted by: jack at September 22, 2004 11:40 PM (AaBEz)
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if you have gone to the northeast intelligence network and scrolled to all the beheading videos and click on the nepal video your question will be answered. It was not dubbed in that is the sound of air and blood in the wind pipe
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 11:54 PM (f/RYk)
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Italian government sources urged "utmost caution" over an Internet statement saying two female Italian aid workers kidnapped in Iraq had been killed, as there was no evidence to confirm the report.
Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 04:19 AM (1KXSw)
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After viewing the last two beheadings, I cried. I couldn't help but wonder if the families of the victims viewed. My heart wrenches to think how they must feel to know what kind of horrifying, brutal end their loved one endured...all for this country and what America stands for. It made me thank God for my family and my heritage. People can blame President Bush for the deaths in this war all they want. But as far as I'm concerned, the only mistake made by Bush since we've gone to war, is that we underestimated these ANIMALS we're up against. We expected a little human descency, and it's just not there. I feel like if Bush isn't re-elected, and we don't continue our fight for freedom, then these people have paid the HIGHEST price imaginable, and unimaginable... in vain. That would be un-American. My heart goes out to all of the families, (in U.S.A. and every other country on this planet), who have lost loved ones who were fighting the good fight. God Bless America. And ALL of God's children.
Posted by: ubetterunlikehell at September 23, 2004 04:36 AM (F0j2U)
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Unbelievable again. The groundswell of emotions that these acts have begun will ultimately be the terrorists undoing. If anything we should see an utter condemnation of these people, and their actions by the entire world. If I was committed to rooting out all the evil terrorists before all this beheading of innocent people... I am even more steadfast in my support today of the Busch administration, Tony Blair, and all the good people who are fighting this fight. God is watching and seeing the evil. Those who will be judged will be judged by God. I am just overwhelmed. I would support almost any actions taken by our troops to find and destroy this evil.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 07:16 AM (Rf67u)
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I can't believe the scale of this f**k up by Bush, Blair and their co-horts. They have blood on their hands.
As for God, well, it's apparent there isn't one or if there is then he certainly hasn't taken any sides. Maybe he is hanginging his head in shame at both sides us of Right and Wrong, both twisted out or proportion. I'll be glad when this world is religion free and we can all get back to the realisation that there is only this life and it should be treated with the utmost respect and care
Posted by: MB at September 23, 2004 08:10 AM (Ewb6j)
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MB,
Brilliant. Yeah, those anti-religion governments sure weren't oppressive or anything like that. I mean, as long as you don't include---er, well--everyone of them, then you're right on. Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, North Korea, etc.....
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 08:27 AM (JQjhA)
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MB,
Yeah, the atheists have a great track record too (see Communism From Marx to International ANSWER).
Listen to John Lennon's Imagine backwards and it says, "you must be high to buy this garbage, coo coo ca choo"
Good post, Rusty
Posted by: Gordon at September 23, 2004 08:27 AM (7sq4M)
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Perhaps I should have left God out of my comment. Somehow there is a comfort to me though that God is real. I don't want to talk for hours about that though. The subject at hand is not the hand of God, it is terrorism, terrorists, cruelty, hate, Murder, Torture, Slaughter, Beheading innocent people, I guess we could talk for hours about that too. Thanks by the way to you who run this site. It is nice to be able to voice my oppinion somewhere where there are people of like mind.... That is an open mind!!
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 08:59 AM (Rf67u)
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Hmmm... Atheism does not necessarily mean "anti-religion".
I am Atheist but I don't want to do anything to stop other people believing in whatever clap-trap they want to believe in.
Just keep it out of my face, out of my politics and out of my life and all will be fine between us.
Posted by: Red Devil at September 23, 2004 09:00 AM (VaXL5)
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Religion is not the problem here. These terrorists USE their religion like they use their swords, Rocket launchers, Grenades. Allah, God, or whoever you believe in would NEVER condone these attrocities.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:03 AM (Rf67u)
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Is it possible that video of the beheadings of women will cause more of an outrage than the beheadings of men? I found all of them disgusting, of course, but this news feels worse somehow.
Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer at September 23, 2004 09:06 AM (5anNT)
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It sure is nice to live in a country where you can have those beliefs and not be ridiculed for it. There are no Sunni's, Shiites, or anyone else banging down your door, and beheading you for your Atheism.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:08 AM (Rf67u)
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Women bare the children of the world. Is it worse to have this happen to a woman?? Will it cause even more outrage?? The answer is a resounding YES. It all must be ended. There is no place in humanity for any of this to be happening. They are digging their own graves.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:35 AM (Rf67u)
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These darlings think that 72 virgins await them in heaven. They might be right; however, nobody said they where women or even human. In my opinion these muslim vermin might find 72 virgin camels waiting for them, of course, they might just like that. Islam isn't a good religion the muslim faith isn't a religion of peace anymore than a serial killer is a man/woman of peace. Its time to deport these vermin who hold up signs saying "islam will dominate the world." in places like London England (which there is a picture of that on the net I saw and if need be i could find it again) throw these pieces of vermin back into that kitty litter box the middle east. Then nuke the place into the largest glass parking lot ever! NO MERCY!
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 09:39 AM (hD5mx)
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I think we are wasting our energy in looking at the religion as a whole. We should be dealing with this dickheads the same way the FBI deals with all the Militia movement, and drug cartels. You Knock on their doors and tell them you are watching, you take over the assests of those who fund them and attack them when they are in plan view.
We are right now only doing the last one. Simple stuff ... but why dont we do it ... because we might piss off some crown princes and princess's in the Gulf ... SO FUCKING WHAT!
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 09:47 AM (W2YA6)
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Andre:
I am so angry at this point I could almost help you carry that burden of the destruction of an entire region. Innocents would be terminated as well in an ETHNIC cleansing. Although I am angry however I would not wipe out an entire region for the actions of a few insane men. That kind of action would open an entire other "can of worms". Our anger does point us towards that kind of conclusion though doesn't it? I pray that my anger never makes me one of THEM. I am afraid some of the rhetoric sometimes sounds like it though.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:48 AM (Rf67u)
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Comments from the likes of Andre et al are tiresome. If you have nothing of value to add, then find another site to occupy your time with. Morons
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 09:52 AM (4PPsx)
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James:
AGREED
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:53 AM (Rf67u)
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this islamic militants are chickenshit scum.it takes 4 or 5 of them standing over a helpless,tied up, weeping man who cant fight back.they hold him down and hack off his head,these assholes are chickenshit cowards who cant fight on thier own.Why dont they fight 1 on 1?they cant,they are such cowards,they will get whats coming,zarqawi must be caught and tortured,then watch him cry.scum!!
Posted by: tim jones at September 23, 2004 10:02 AM (urn0A)
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Apparently they are standing over women now and doing the same thing.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 10:18 AM (Rf67u)
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Chris:
When making an omelet one has to break a few eggs.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:30 AM (hD5mx)
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James:
Do you think that anything less will make them stop? These vermin don't understand civil behavior anymore than a charging grizzly bear understands that you are not dinner.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:32 AM (hD5mx)
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Salamander:
You think the FBI really cares? They are a politicized group that only cares about their face in the public. They wouldn't dare make a good crackdown on Islamics in this country since they'd be accussed of racial profiling. It's much too easy for them to play pin the terrorist label on a bunch of rednecks in bedsheets now isn't it?
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:37 AM (hD5mx)
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Andre, you can not cast aspersions on an entire race or an entire religion. For example not all Americans are red necks, not all Irish are members of the IRA. Getting the drift? The terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorists.
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 10:49 AM (4PPsx)
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Andre:
Are they saying the same thing in Iraq about 2 innocent Italian women?? Were they thinking that as they slid a knife up to the throats of women and men slicing thier heads off?? I just do not want to be like them in any way. There must be some answer better than making the entire region into a glass parking lot.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 10:51 AM (Rf67u)
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James:
I guess I like the phrase, "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out." well, in this case its allah, i'm not one to judge good from bad and its not worth trying to sort the good from the bad in this case. Any con-artist can look you in the face and con you out of everything you are worth while making you feel like a million bucks. But this situation is they'll smile at you one minute and the next they'll cut your head off. Is it worth the risk, answer while visioning your head being sawed off. That way, we get a real reflective answer.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 10:55 AM (hD5mx)
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Chris:
Right now i'm so irratated I don't think I could handle it if I actually see the video pop up. As far as being like them, thats like trying to negotate to a bully not to bully you, they're going to laugh at you, get their friends into the deal and all that makes you is a victim or a doormat.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:03 AM (hD5mx)
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Ok Andre:
I am understanding your feelings completely. I am not going to fight about this. Disgusted by these people I certainly am. One must learn from history though. Men of this nature have throughout time been captured, found out, hunted down etc... They do not continue this behavior forever whithout paying some kind of consequence. I just cannot believe that every man, woman, and child in that expansive region is inherently evil. I believe in mankind. I know in my heart that the right thing will happen. Focus your energy on those who are actually responsible for these grisly and awful attrocities. Keep the heat on THEM. If one bee is attacking, and stinging you don't go and knock the whole nest down to get back at that one bee. You get my meaning?? I do not want to be stung thousands of times.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 11:46 AM (5qsl+)
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Andre ... learn to analyse what you are reading:
"...the same way the FBI deals with ...".
the point of that statement was to point out the METHODOLOGY for going about this.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 11:48 AM (V40IZ)
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Salamander:
Read mine, they don't want to be called racial profiliers by going after Islamists now don't they? It's way to easy for them to go after rednecks in suspenders sporting shotguns or rednecks in bedsheets lighting crosses in some backwoods area than it is to go after some group a batch of blathering boobs would call "oppressed people of color." or whatever the current diatrab is for them. If its neck is red you may proceed if its brown stand down seems to be the FBI motto when it comes to anything that could be construed as racial profiling. Sure, they could use the same methods but those with big hearts and no brains would stand up on their hind legs and denounce it as "racial profiling" and "racism."
At least that is how I see it.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:55 AM (hD5mx)
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While I am thinking about this. Do you people think these vermin doing the beheading are actually working as "security" for the foriegn nationals? Thus the masks they are using to hide themselves. To me it seems that they have had too easy of a time getting their hands on these people and My suspicsions are is they are actually working on the inside by day and by night wearing masks and beheading people. Just my oppinon on this. Anyone care to lance with me on this one?
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:59 AM (hD5mx)
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Andre,
Perhaps that is part of the reason, but they actually have borrowed the practice from Hamas. The reason they wrap themselves is because in Islam the corpse of the dead must be wrapped like that (think of Jesus being wrapped after his death). Thus, the shahids, or Slaves to Allah, are signifying that they are already dead and that their bodies are prepared for the imminent death they expect. As they themselves say, "We love death more than life, while you love life more than death." Indeed. Lachaim!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 12:13 PM (JQjhA)
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Its called a Kefen (death shroud) ... its actually a poplin white cloth that his hand loomed in that part of the world. Its the easiest way the isrealies can identify a suicide bomber if the bomber doesnt conceel the shroud too good.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 12:26 PM (V40IZ)
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aljazeera is saying that the italian hostages are probably still alive. Well, a small glimmer of hope but there rational for them still being alive is dubous at best. They claim that the hostage takers have nothing to gain by killing two females from an NGO who have been helping iraqis. Well, my logic says, when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, the so-called "liberation army" attacked and killed Catholic priests and other do-gooders, not because the do-gooders did anything against them but just because "they where easy targets." Same logic holds ground here.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 01:08 PM (hD5mx)
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Easy targets is right. What is also right is that killing 2 women that ar part of the NGO would serve no purpose..... Then again when have these people actually had a purpose.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 02:01 PM (5qsl+)
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Chris, don't know the answer to that, perhaps if these beheaders got caught they should be treated like a rabid animal, sent to a humane society shelter and delt with and the cadaver checked for the presense of rabies.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 02:16 PM (hD5mx)
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Andre and Chris,
We need to see al Jazeera for what it is: the propaganda arm for the Islamists and Jihadis who are after a world-wide Islamic state. The reason, possibly, that they deny the deaths is because they understand that this would be a PR no-no to behead women. While some section of the Islamic world might condone murdering men, women are no-no to most. Just speculation.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 23, 2004 02:50 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty:
Actually, they have no qualms about killing their own women, so one of ours they should have no problem in doing so either. I read for example IRAN executed a 16 year old girl this past month (death by hanging) just for having a "sharp tongue." Matter of fact, just go onto yahoo.com and type +"16 year old" +"hanging" search for that and you will see the story.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 02:54 PM (hD5mx)
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Thanks Rusty:
You are right. They may have gotten wind of the outrage this might cause them. They may be backing out of it. Trying to find a way to deny that it happenned..... Even if it did happen. That television station is an arm of the movement over there... A little like Dan Rather is an arm of the liberal party.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:07 PM (pU0pk)
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Andre,
We execute our mentally retarded also ... what are we o do invade every country how executes someone after a trial(you dont have to like their legal system). Sometimes there is a line drawn. Dont even compare that to this situation, its different hanging someone and its a little different putting your foot to someone's head and sawing through their throat.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 03:07 PM (D4mP3)
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oops.... That might have been a little uncalled for.....
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:10 PM (pU0pk)
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Salamander:
Read what I wrote:
"Actually, they have no qualms about killing their own women, so one of ours they should have no problem in doing so either."
Now which part didn't you understand the qualms or the killing their own women?
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 03:13 PM (hD5mx)
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Sorry did I hurt some feelings ... okay: Mantally challanged people.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 03:18 PM (D4mP3)
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No Salamander you did not hurt my feelings. I was referring to my own tasteless remark about Dan Rather....It has been a long day....
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:32 PM (pU0pk)
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In response to Andre's comment. If the terrorists in fact have 72 virgins awaiting them in heaven when they die, I am quite certain that they will rape and kill them in the same manner they treat the women Iraq currently.
Posted by: Brigette at September 23, 2004 03:35 PM (/W64G)
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Bravo Brigette!!!!
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 03:40 PM (pU0pk)
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Brigette:
If i'm not mistaken they never made mention that the virgins would be women and who said they will end up in heaven anyhow? They might just find themselves in hell with 72 virgin male camels, also rabidly horny ones too. Imagine a hell like that set aside for all these lovely allah akbar types, a very fitting eternity for them might I add.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 03:45 PM (hD5mx)
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None taken Chris ... I know the long day part.
I agree with the thought that IF the 2 women have not been murdered the terrorists MAY shy away from carring out their threats. Though having lived in the middle east I can tell you saddly ... that would not stop them. People like these do not heed anyone or anything. Want a good example the palastinian terrorist population ... they love hitting those buses.
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 04:38 PM (W2YA6)
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Small note for you Andre:
Turks and Iranians are not Arabs ... They dispise arabs because they had them under their hegemony for centuries. Arabs are useless camel jockies who dont know how to fight as a standing army ... i.e. every time they have had their asses handed to them in battle because THEY RUN LIKE RATS!
Posted by: Salamander at September 23, 2004 04:41 PM (W2YA6)
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The In the Bullpen link Rusty put on the main page says there will be global backlash against the Arab world if video is released of these two women's beheading. Anyone aware of statements indicting they plan on releasing video?
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 05:47 PM (vQTt9)
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DB
I doubt there would be a backlash throughout the world as the world by in large laughed about what is going on in such countries as Zimbabwe. Most of the third world countries looked the other way at what is going on there, but in the first world countries I think they'll be a lot of voices like my own when I started posting in this thread.
Right now i'm steaming up again over this.
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 08:28 PM (hD5mx)
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How much do you want to bet that these Allah loving, morally superior Barbarians raped them around the clock before they beheaded them. Praise Allah!
Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2004 10:57 PM (uNlOL)
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Dave:
Your more than likely right, these muslims who are of so much mercy and peace normally do that. Again I point to the story of the 16 year old iranian girl who was hanged. It pretty much well says that the police will rape females as well who go to them after being raped. Praise Allah and pass the pork!
Posted by: Andre at September 23, 2004 11:09 PM (hD5mx)
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Another day has arrived. More threats, more violence, more video of beheadings. It is simply unbelievable. It is obvious that we will be seeing video of two innocent young women being brutally murdered. After reading all the comments from last night here on this board I see nothing has changed. My fears are about to be realized again. One thing though..... This war is being fought in the media, and on the internet. This beheading of two women who are absolutely innocent of ANY wrongdoing towards Iraq, or the Muslim religion will reach more people throughout the world than any other act EVER. I still believe there will be a backlash against them. I will lead the charge, and do everything in my power to help the backlash grow into a huge storm. I hope you will all join me.
Chris
Posted by: Chris at September 24, 2004 06:26 AM (U4qvX)
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FUNNY,HOW THE COWARDS DONT WANT TO SHOW THE WOMEN .MAYBE THEY RAPED THEM FIRST AND DONT WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW.
Posted by: ELLEN at September 24, 2004 06:58 AM (tIQuE)
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ELLE:
Well, they are vermin now aren't they? They probably understand that the sentiment in the west will be to no longer accept these cockroaches who hold up signs saying, "islam will dominate the world." because they understand islam would quickly dominate the cemetaries in short order.
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 07:06 AM (hD5mx)
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Ok, I finally get it, these things we call Arabs - Afghans - towel heads - sand nigs - whatever...The thing is they are all psycho, they need to be nuked. The kids will grow up hating as they are taught, we have no choice. Lets leave a big hole in the earth with no regret. Do you think they regret what they do? HELL NO!
Posted by: Sue at September 24, 2004 08:58 AM (3pOYP)
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Sue:
Honestly, they will regret just as a condemned prisoner who has committed multiple murders is strapped into the gurney or electric chair it is only at the end do they finally experience pains of regret but it isn't an alturistic regret either.
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 09:18 AM (hD5mx)
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Speaking of raping them, didn't the muslim scum in Russia rape the female school children?
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 01:31 PM (hD5mx)
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Andre, unlike a prisioner being put to death, these people truely believe they're doing the work of their god, and that dieing my the hands of infidels just makes their afterlife much more rewarding. You can't instill terror into a mind like that. It's like any religion: as long as you have a mythical creature whom makes everything happen, and everything you know about what's right and wrong has been "interpreted" throughout the ages, you give that diety credit for the good that you see, and you don't question the bad things you see or do, because it's all for "some higher purpose".
The mother of the child whom is bringing charges against Michael Jackson told the press that "God choose her son to bring Michael Jackson to justice". No matter what happens, your diety of choice meant that for you (and I'm speaking about the terrorists, not you specifically).
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:32 PM (vQTt9)
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They raped the schoolchildren? You've got to be kidding me! I can't even come up with a response to that...
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:33 PM (vQTt9)
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Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047301.php
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:28 PM (JQjhA)
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DB I am quiet sure on that, that they sexually assaulting the school children that they took female students into another room adjacent and you could hear screams or something to that effect. Obviously we're dealing not with a "different culture." but a cancer that is turning malignant.
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 02:58 PM (hD5mx)
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I just noticed after reviewing the beheading pics again that there always seems to be no more or less than (5) cowards hiding behind the hostage before they kill him. In many of the pics, the 5 men appear to be of similar size and stature as the other pics.
Any chance that we're dealing with that small of a group of wackos?
And someone please answer me, what's wrong with this approach: shouldn't the US be issuing a warning to all civilians in Iraq to get out of town for a while, until this this is under control? I know they are there to rebuild Iraq, and pulling them out would delay the rebuilding, but in other countries, the US Government has issued decrees (I forget what they call them) for US citizens to get out asap when they sense something big is likley to happen. Doesn't this qualify as something big? Or in the grand sceme of things, are these few civilians too small to warrant such a strong defensive approach?
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 03:01 PM (vQTt9)
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the true face of islam, not of peace but of domination.
This is the picture I was crowing about:
http://www.republicanandproud.com/behold_the_face_of_islam.htm
Posted by: Andre at September 24, 2004 05:02 PM (hD5mx)
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I don't understand how someone can believe that these people are hiding behind allah and there beliefs. That is their core...from birth to death. They truly believe that this is what they are to do if they are following their god...sick and wrong as it may be. I am catholic, my sister is mormon....she thinks I'm going to hell because I'm not mormon and I consume alcohol. I think she is brain washed. Decisions of merit are decided every day based on a persons faith or denomination in this country and it causes huge uproar. You don't think Bushes bible belting beliefs are driving the denial of gay marriage and other issues? We are supposed to have a separation of church and state for this very reason. This is not Nazi Germany where a freak in power turns some weak minds and gets them to exterminate millions of Jews and other innocent people in the name of christianity and purity. Hitler and the like had been brewing and in power a total of less than two decades.....Something like that can be eradicated.....The middle east has never known peace....they do not have a society outside of religon....life and society are their religon...they eat, sleep breathe it. Most American's live their lives....come the end of the week clean up, put on their Sunday best and head to church for a couple of hours.
A GROSS UNDERESTIMATION HAS BEEN MADE HERE!
This is the way these people fight... these people are worse then animals....animals do not kill for sport or statement.....these people are heinous evil hollow beings to us free of mercy,humanity or any regard for human life regardless of age or gender...but they see themselves as serving god's will.
A new government, reform, people free from oppression....you can take the spots off a cheetah...it's still a cheetah.
This disgusting means of murder and torure is not new....it's just with the electronic age we can have it in our face. Our government knew first hand what atroscities are being commited....ie: how they fight..and still chose to go to war unprepared...without a long-term plan....a gross miscalculation/underestimation...
Unaccepable actions from someone elected as the leader of the free world and the man who sent us to war.
....how do you unring a bell?
I am terrified to continue and terrified what would happen if we withdraw...Somalia...Veitnam???
These people are evil and I am scared...but I don't know what I fear most them or a president that chose to fight these kind of people unprepared.....and I voted for him last time...won't make that mistake again.
Posted by: Catcher at September 24, 2004 05:09 PM (PcgQk)
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My thoughts, are with the families of the men and women, murdered by these germ infected assholes. If anyone knows the whereabouts, of any of these scum, I would volunteer to be a suicide bomber.
Posted by: John Burke at September 25, 2004 06:35 PM (w8kG7)
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The contractors should have suicide belts on them, that way if they are captured they could make it a point that the filthy shit terrorists are going to die too. After the first hundred of the terrorists they'll figure it out.
Posted by: Andre at September 25, 2004 07:32 PM (hD5mx)
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what do you people expect ??
you illegally invade Iraq , kill thousands of innocents , bomb the crap out of afganistan killing even more thousands , then have the nerve to be outraged when a couple of hostages get thier heads cut off !!!!!!
These people hate america with very good reason (it was only this morning i saw a baby being pulled form the ruble of a building the yankeess had bombed ) so why shouldnt they hit back at you ???
Posted by: ali at September 26, 2004 03:29 AM (64Jjy)
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Ali, you need to educate yourself somewhat a litle more. Its a well known fact that your own leaders massacred more of their own people than any americans ever did. We all know the shortfalls of the americans, but the people of iraq need to look to the future, not live 500 yrs in the past!
Posted by: elbow at September 26, 2004 11:01 AM (2Z8Qg)
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Ali, we should just nuke all muslim countries until they are glass parking lots and expell all muslim trash from western countries. Obviously by looking at the crap hole conditions in the arab world the arabs would much rather live in a pig pen and bark to a fosilized piece of shit in mecca.
Posted by: Andre at September 26, 2004 01:48 PM (hD5mx)
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Two Italian hostages in good health, Italian media reports
ROME, 09/27 - A Kuwaiti paper said that the two kidnapped Italian aid workers in Iraq were in good health and being treated well by their kidnappers, Italian News Agency ANSA reported on Sunday.
http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=284799
Maybe good news, may be just false hopes.
Posted by: Andre at September 27, 2004 08:38 PM (hD5mx)
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It's time to bring back the Crusades ... complete with Napalm and nukes!
Posted by: Fed Up at September 27, 2004 09:31 PM (x8gPL)
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The entire Iraq episode was the dumbest thing that President Bush has done and will ever do. All that he wanted was to squeeze the last drop of oil from Iraq and pay for it with the lives of innocent people like Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, Mohammed Mutawalli(the egyptian spy who was beheaded) and countless other people. For the people who believe that President Bush has done the right thing, let me ask you this - Do you think that such "animals" who were involved in the beheadings would have come about in Iraq if America had not invaded it? And for others who say that America invaded Iraq becuz of the WMD's, where in hell is it? And for still others who think that the war in Iraq is in retaliation of September 11, ask yourself who exactly was responsible for not taking the information provided to him seriously by the american intelligence way before the actual attacks?
Do think about this for a while and you will then realise the truth.
Posted by: Arjun at September 28, 2004 11:57 AM (jvy0x)
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Actually bill clinton was the one that started the mess by not taking advantage of the intelligence on Osma. So since he failed to act, bush was handed this mess initially thru a tragic event (9/11). You cant complain about bush should have done this or Bush should have done that. Try to react in Bush's shoes on that day, what would you have done, how do you console a entire nation, how would you react as president of the last superpower. these are not easy decisions and im quite sure that even the most politically correct person would have made mistakes and pissed somebody off. most of the people that were feeding bush words of encouragement and intelligence to go to war are now the same ones pointing fingers and laying all the blame in his lap now that American soldiers are seen dead across the pages of our papers. A president cannot wage war on his own authority. it takes the vote of elected officials that you and i have placed in those offices. So instead of throwing the entire blame on bush, take a good look at how much energy and research you did on those people that you elected to put in the lower positions. You know the ones im talking about, the ones that overwhelmingly supported the rush to go to war based on the info they collected and passed to the president, but now want to bitch and say oops bad intel we should not be there.. bad news TOO LATE, now deal with it and help those boys finish thier jobs so they can come home and raise thier kids and be within the borders of this great country. The vote happens in November so stop whining and pointing fingers and figure out who will take the reins and lead this country in the direction that seems right, based on our current intellingence that is.....
Posted by: Daniel at October 08, 2004 12:46 PM (4FBX6)
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Truth: We pray for forgivness to mighty Allah for the crimes we have committed against his children. For the blasphemy of using his word to do the works of evil and murder. The black we wear represents our soul that is shamed and destined to eternity in the lowest darkest depths of hell. For we shall wallow with the pigs and sleep in their filth. We also beg forgiveness for creating the the savage and bloody massacres that continue daily due to our own idiology and falsness we have created against you oh mighty Allah. We will face our victims in the next world and may they tear the flesh from our bodies through the space of eternity. We created these attrocities to which there will be no end except for our own deaths. We are not martyrs, we are cowards who kill in the night and run like dogs to hide in the sand. We shall be forever cursed for we have also killed thousands of our own people with our actions. The price is to high, Forgive us Most Merciful Allah! Praise be to Allah!
Posted by: Kiumars Mohimi at October 08, 2004 01:42 PM (lhqxH)
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Its time to remove all the liberal bastards from this society.Start beheading all those muslim
fucks just like they have done to the US and other countries! Time to get a taste of their medicine or a feel of their own KNIFE!
Chicken shits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: NI4NI at October 11, 2004 02:44 PM (9C2oJ)
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Hey guys!! Let me tell you a few things. The redneck comment....cute but ineffective.
In fact.... Texas is bigger than your whole country. Further ....I think I am a few days short of telling you to kiss my ass. (I am smiling.) The only thing most of your people have ever been good at is making wine and surrendering!! I am proud to be from Texas and a woman. As far as Jihad or any facsimile, I refuse to be intimidated by those bastards and they may kill me, but I promise you ... I am taking a few of the pricks with me.
I REFUSE to beg for ANYTHYING!! I would probably piss them off so bad they wouldn't get to the beheading part. They way I see it... I wouldn't give them the satisfaction... I would accept the fact I was toast and try to kill as many as I could. If it has to be the Wild West for a while so be it!!! I am deadly accurate with a firearm....as many of us "rednecks' are. Any chicken shit that would as a man behead a woman let alone any other human being is a satanic monster. Some of those people were missionaries helping Iraqi children. They brutalize and kill their own people... yet they are hacked because we are killing some of them? I think Allah is a translation for Satan. As for the Atheists above... If you act like there is no God...You'd better be right. Take your vitamins,and look both ways before you cross the street. Thats the beauty of being in a free country.... you have the first amendment right to go to hell in a handbasket as an atheist, or tell someone to kiss your happy ass.
Ya gotta love it!!! Yours very truly....
T E X A S R E D N E C K 
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Posted by: Proud to be a redneck at November 04, 2004 11:26 PM (1qFV3)
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Amen Sister!
We love you redneck girl!!
Posted by: Wt at January 13, 2005 10:31 PM (XNNKd)
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Pissssssssssst! Hey little secret all of the hatred I am seeing only confims what I've thought all along. Where f---ed and God is Going to show us all what he thinks of this behavior and if he don't say anything I wont blame him we are killing our selves everyday anyway! Water, air, ground, just plain polutants our biggest mistake was letting others speak on our behaves. Give all of the world leaders a joint and lock them in a room untill they come out with some RICHEOUS answers. We can turn the tide if we work at it but I think it has gone to far. I can't understand after millions of years the EARTH was in excellent shape and in less than 200yrs we fu--ed It beyond repair need proof OPEN YOUR EYES F--- Polatics religion personal belief's ect. The answers will only be known when your dead! God Bless our Miserable Souls
Posted by: Len D at June 15, 2005 10:03 PM (mUpqU)
American Hostage Jack Hensley Beheading Video Released
Scroll down past updates for original post on the Jack Hensley video for links to video, images from it, and news.
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UPDATE 10/08: Kenneth Bigley executed in Iraq by Zarqawi terrorist organization. The story is developing, but sources in Fallujah claim Bigley beheaded. For the latest information, links to video, and images on the Kenneth Bigley murder please go to the MAIN PAGE or by CLICKING HERE for the 10/08 report.
For the latest information, links to video, and images on hostages in Iraq please check the main page by CLICKING HERE.
Here is a list of all the victims of Islamic Beheadings since late July this year.
10/08 Kenneth Bigley Executed in Iraq Images and Video Here.
10/02 Iraqi Victim Barie Nafie Dawoud Ibrahim Beheading Video and Images Here
9/22 American Hostage Jack Hensley Beheading Video and Images Here
9/20 American Hostage Eugene Armstrong Beheaded on Video Here
9/13 Turkish Hostage Beheaded on Video Here
9/08 Three Muslim 'Informants' Beheaded by the Religion of Irony
8/31 12 Nepalese Hostages Killed, 1 Beheaded Here
8/26 Italian Hostage Enzo Baldoni Murdered Here
8/25 Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded in Video Here
8/13 Another Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded on Video Here
8/11 CIA Agent Executed: Another Beheading Video
8/09 Another Bulgarian Beheading Video
8/02 Turkish Hostage Murdered
7/28 Bulgarian Beheading Video
7/27 Kashmir Rebels Bomb Hospital, Behead Three
7/27 Paul Johnson Beheading Video and Images Here
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A new video has been released by Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization showing the gruesome beheading murder of American hostage Jack Hensley. A link to the video is below. The group claimed to have beheaded Mr. Hensley yesterday at an Islamic bulletin board. My previous post about this is here. Images from the video are in the extended entry below.
UPDATE: If you would like to help the Hensley family in their time of need please consider donating to the Jack Hensley Foundation.
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I watched the first beheading of nick burgess and cannot stomach any more
I hope, pray and dream that some day this will all stop
my preys are with his family
Posted by: Dee at September 22, 2004 03:24 PM (f288R)
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Truly disgustingly barbaric 
Posted by: Digger at September 22, 2004 03:41 PM (FYEx6)
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Sick and disgusting, yes. Critical that we all see just what cowards these animals are, hiding behind their underwear worn on their head, butchering innocent people with their hands tied behind their backs. Fortunately, the hostages eyes are usually covered, as I'd hate to see the look the hostages' eyes as the knife draws near.
It makes me sick to the stomach too, Dee, indeed. My thoughts to his family and all the other victims. But I must admit that the more of these attrocities I see, the stronger my resolve that we must do something to stop them. Just what, I don't know. And to think that they're raising a whole new generation of murderers every day, all in the name of their "god". What sort of god encourages religious cleansing?
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 03:41 PM (vQTt9)
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Do we have to wait another day?
I'm getting tired here, Rusty.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 22, 2004 03:49 PM (D39Vm)
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I was wondering if anybody actually watched this vid. I am too scared too... but was wondering and hoping Jack would have yelled out something before they actually killed him. Do you think maybe they actually druged him?
Thanks
Posted by: Curious at September 22, 2004 03:50 PM (3+LTh)
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Somebody must know where these sick son of a bitchs are hiding out.
Posted by: dee at September 22, 2004 03:53 PM (f288R)
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Bush belongs in the hands of the Iraquis. I know that its senseless to blame Bush now for what he has started, but the fact remains, we have only seen these beheadings under Bush. Many people have died, too many people in pain. The Iraquis know EXACTLY what they're doing. They might start off with negotiations, but we all know they dont really mean them. They have already put death marks on all these captives without any thought to letting them go. They know United State's policy about threats, they know EXACTLY what they are doing...and it wont end.
Posted by: Disgusted at September 22, 2004 03:57 PM (B16gZ)
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"What sort of god encourages religious cleansing?"
Every God that every asshole with a chip on their shoulder believes they are killing in his name. More killing and bloodshed has been done in the name of God than any other reason. If its "your" God who is the reason its good ... the other sucker's fighting for his God is SOL.
Posted by: Salamander at September 22, 2004 04:00 PM (F26eZ)
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My condolescence to the families and friends of Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley I hope after all that sufference they are in paradise now.
I feel we all should act up in our countries and even if we are not as cruel as they are we should send them all out with no exemptions as they do with us.
We should start to kill as many as we can of them,down our streets and in theyr mosquee as they do not have any respect of our religion nor of our people.
We Must act now until they are not yet so strong and before they will be more powerful arounf the world.
Everybody has to do something. We can't have our sons with theyr sons in our (european) schools.
If violence is the only way to comunicate with them then we must use their same "language"They have just killed two innoncent man ....here WE MUST do the same,
If we walk down the street and we see any muslim walking if we are sure no police is around and we have the chanche we MUST kill him/her.
It's the only way
WE MUST START NOW EVERYBODY THAT HAS THE CHANCHE TO DO SO HAVE TO ACT NOW.
sorry for my english I'm Italian
andrea
Posted by: andrea at September 22, 2004 04:01 PM (GeJLh)
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We should drop the MOAB on Al Jezeera after we stake it out for who ever keeps releasing these videos. These people want an audience. If we take away their vehicle of hate and propaganda their message won't be heard as easily as it is now. I'm no computer wizard but isn't there a way to use their ISP/IP addy or something to track them down? These beheadings are turning my gut and giving me the very same 1000 yard stare I was trained to treat fellow soldiers for as Air Force medic. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and souls of those murdered and under threat of murder.
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 04:13 PM (B7IRT)
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Disgusted says:
the fact remains, we have only seen these beheadings under Bush.
On the contrary, beheadings and other acts of just-as-sensless terrorism (plane hijackings/bombings for example) have been around for centuries (well, planes haven't been around for centuries, but you know what I mean, I hope). Beheadings have been going on long before Bush's daddy was Pres. of the USA.
Salamander is right about "your" GOD being the reason to kill: my question was rhetorical in nature. I see religion as having been invented for a primary purpose of justifying the killing of those who don't belong to your religious group. How many innocents have the Catholics killed for example(think back centuries, not months). In the old days it made sense: rape and plunder your neighboring countries to steal their land, livestock, and women, and your religion will propagate. Some religions have evolved, some are still way back there in the dark ages.
Andrea, your feelings of hatred are shared by many of us, but if we kill innocent Muslims in the name of exterminating the religion, aren't we no better than them? Beheading innocent Muslims is no different than beheading Bush, which some have called for on this blog.
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:18 PM (vQTt9)
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BTW, I wish Jack's family had set up a Paypal scheme or something.
They shouldn't think that only people of America would want to contribute.
Posted by: Red Devil at September 22, 2004 04:23 PM (eoSl9)
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Laudry Queen, I'm no computer wiz either, but the problem with tracking these people down via ISPs/IP addresses is similar to the problem tracing down a computer hacker operating in a third-world country: much covering of their tracks, jumping from site to site, and a world-wide playing field in which Western world laws don't exist everywhere. You and I use are using the Internet to freely express out opinions, which isn't something that belongs only to the US. Taking away the terrorists media on the "free" Internet goes against the inherent purpose for the Internet to begin with. It has certainly changed the tactics of terroristic war though, now that their message can be heard/seen by millions without mainstream media "cleansing" of the images/thoughts, making it easier for anyone to reach their intended audience. Some people are using these technological advancements for good, obviously these people use it for evil.
For anyone who doesn't want to see the horrible images: you don't have to. Please, steer away from them. That's why you won't see them on main-stream media in the Western world. As Rusty says, "not for the faint at heart"
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:29 PM (vQTt9)
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In the first video, I think it was surmised that these killings are taking place in a mosque.
One of the killers is no longer cutting off heads, he's a large wet messy bunch of crispy fried flesh.
They will fall.
This kind of killing did not start under Bush's administration. It's been happening to Americans beginning with Klinghoffer, going forward killing innocents in embassies, planes, barracks and nightclubs. Of course unless we have those that think this killing all started in the past because of one day Bush was going to be President.
Posted by: mshyde at September 22, 2004 04:30 PM (kthJp)
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WHERE THE HELL ARE THE VIDEOS OF THESE DEATHS I WANT TO SEE THEM
Posted by: baba booey at September 22, 2004 04:33 PM (Pbs6a)
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Fallujah; meet MOAB.
MOAB; heat Fallujah.
Repeat as neccessary.
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 22, 2004 04:33 PM (MJxMm)
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"Disgusted says:
the fact remains, we have only seen these beheadings under Bush."
WRONG
These beheadings are done by the islamic checken muslim terrorists, too. Gonna blame that on Bush? I DON'T THINK SO. Man, if you don't know what you're talking about, DON'T TALK.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 22, 2004 04:40 PM (D39Vm)
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baba booey:
Many of the videos can be found here:
dubdubdub dot homelandsecurityus dot com/hostages.asp
Mshyde has an interesting theory that all terrorist activities throughout the ages were performed because one day a Bush would be in the White House. Humm...
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:43 PM (vQTt9)
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Where is the outrage????? Yes, the sympathy for the families is evident in the media and websites such as this, but where is the public demand for tracking down these killers by whatever means necessary. Should these bastards be caught, they need to be injected with huge doses of HIV and then videotaped for public view as they gradually die of AIDS
Posted by: D at September 22, 2004 04:44 PM (s6c4t)
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Ah, assuming they are sufficiently bound so that they cannot transmit the HIV to others. Would not a small cut of the jugular vein with a very dull knife be equally revengeful. An eye for an eye?
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 04:54 PM (vQTt9)
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I would use a spoon.
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 05:07 PM (B7IRT)
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I am horrified that these people are still living. I wish I was as rich as Bill Gates right now. You can bet your ass my billions would be paying for black op guys to secrectly go in there and systematically kill ever male bastard that walked the streets, eventually they would run into these worthless pieces of shit. But I don't have that kind of money so instead I will never ever again go into any convenience/store/gas station that is run by this lower lifeform. I just know they are sending money back to all these bastards and using our money to support these animals. I hope everyone "bans" these places. Why should we give our money to help them live here so they can help these pigs sneak in here and survive. I just hope they have "no" business and lose everything they own here and go to hell back where they came from. It seems every store/gas station is run by them, what gives, are they taking over the one thing that can bring this country to it's knees. If they in one day decided not to sell gas, all of them in the USA,. we would have trouble getting gas.....think about it. Let's run them out now before they really get a strong hold on us. Hell maybe they already do and we just don't know it yet....till it's toooo late....
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:34 PM (CW95I)
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These terrorist are going to keep it up. They have nothing to lose but their lives (and they don't mind 'cause of the whole virgin thing) and just want to gain new recruits. I don't think the great majority of them are doing this "for Allah" anymore. Instead, I think these new recruits are probably young punks who see this as a chance to indulge in mayhem and murder with their faces covered. It's no big secret that there are cells in America. There has been for a couple of decades, at least. They have been bringing their war to our doorstep for years now and there are still a lot of people in America that continue to think diplomacy is the way to go with these parisites. What's it going to take to rouse them from their narcoleptic sleep?
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 05:36 PM (B7IRT)
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It's probably too late. More so than gas stations, that they get our money from, there are those in the news media who would like to point out that your middle-income children, that's right, little Johnny, when he goes to the bad part of town with his friends to buy his drugs (I know: "Not MY Johnny"), that his hard-earned, or maybe silver spoon given money is going back to the terrorists. If that's true, they can fund alot more suicide bombings on selling Meth and Smack on the streets of the US than they make off the few pennies per gallon of gas that they make.
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:38 PM (vQTt9)
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Laundry Queen says:
They have nothing to lose but their lives
(and they don't mind 'cause of the whole virgin thing)
Yeah, and wouldn't we all like to arrange that orgy for them?
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:41 PM (vQTt9)
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DB I hope it's not to late!!! We have to start somewhere....
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:41 PM (CW95I)
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what's with this virgin thing anyway, they have raped every woman and child like that ooday and his asshole brothers...
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:44 PM (CW95I)
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Speaking of the whole virgin thing, I've always wondered: If the nasty-ass smelly terrorist men (I mean, they have to be: running around the desert with their underwear on their heads all day in the sun) get those virgins as a reward in Allah-land, what did those virgins do to deserve such a horrible fate?
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:44 PM (vQTt9)
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Ah mugwhibaby, your confusing the Rich Elite raping the poor because Daddy was God with terrorists. I don't think Ooday and Poopay wore masks over their heads. They killed people they didn't like by looking them straight in the back of the head!
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:48 PM (vQTt9)
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yeah DB your right but those bastards had school classes come to visit them and then they picked out which little girls they wanted to rape and videoed it those sick fucks.....
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 05:52 PM (CW95I)
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I just read on MSN news that a group claims they have killed the 2 Italian females. Maybe someone could verify this info and post a link? I'm a little new at this blog thing but heres a go:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6015597/
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 05:55 PM (B7IRT)
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So, if you were rich, you could pick your virgins off a platter. But if you are not rich in that country (do you think those hooded bastards are?), I guess you have to kill a bunch of non-Muslims and blow yourself up to get them in the afterlife? Just a different spin on the old "streets paved in Gold" promise of some other religions in the afterlife. Just depends on what you value the most (virgins, or Gold).
And since they have to be virgins, I guess they only get used once? Then what? Are they given to the Muslims that didn't get around to killing anyone when they were alive?
Posted by: DB at September 22, 2004 05:57 PM (vQTt9)
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Yeah they are tossed out and called whores...
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 06:00 PM (CW95I)
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Tossed out is right. After that... they are buried up to their necks and stoned to death.
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 06:05 PM (B7IRT)
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hey they have taken 2 journalists
Posted by: mugwhibaby at September 22, 2004 06:09 PM (CW95I)
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TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE HEAR OF THE MUSLIM INFIDELS BLEETING ABOUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY BEHIND THE 9/11 ATTACKS. SETTING ASIDE THEIR SHEER AUDACITY,STUPIDITY, COWARDICE,LOWLESSNESS,VULGARITY, INTELLECTUAL & LOGICAL DWARFCY, RHETORIC BRAINWASHING CRUDE ANTIQUES (WHICH THEY ROUTINELY IMPOSE ON THEIR LARGE UNEDUCATED MASSES) Â….ETC, WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY..THANKS GOD FOR G W BUSH , COZ ITÂ’S OVERDUE TO SEE AN ENLIGHTENED LEADER MAKING THE MUSLIM INFIDELS PAY FOR THEIR OVERDUE DEBT TOWARDS HUMANITY, BE IT THE LONG SUFFERING OF NON-MUSLIM MINORITIES IN MUSLIM SANDBOXES, AGGRESSION TOWARDS NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES BY THEIR MUSLIM NIEGHBOURS (SYRIA-LEBANON, TURKEY- CYPRUS, TURKEY-GREECE..ETC).
YES, MUSLIM INFIDELS ITÂ’S AFTER ALL ABOUT HUMILIATING YOU BEFORE YOUR FINAL ERRADICATION, ITÂ’S ABOUT OIL, ITÂ’S ABOUT LAND, ITÂ’S BASICALLY ABOUT THE UNANIMOUS UNEQUALLED ECSTATIC PLEASURE OF MAIMING BEFORE KILLING EVERY ONE OF YOU PESTS.
SO GO ON CRY US RIVERS (MOSTLY CROCODILE TEARS!) MUSLIM RODENTS AND KEEP SPEWING ALL YOUR STUPID LIES, WE WON’T BE MOVED , INSTEAD ADDS TWISTS AND MORE PLEASURE WHILE YOU ARE BIENG MASSACRED IN THE GLOBAL ‘KILLING ARENA’..YOU CAN SAY IT’S A RECREATION OF THE BLOODTHIRSTY SPECTATOR SPORTS OF THE BYGONE ROMAN ERA.
LONG LIVE G.W.BUSH
LONG LIVE ARIEL SHARON
LONG LIVE TONY BLAIR
LONG LIVE D RUMSFIELD
LONG LIVE RICHARD PEARL
LONG LIVE ALL STARTEGISTS WHO ARE BRINGING ABOUT THE HISTORIC HUMILITY AND DOOM OF ISLAM.
DEATH TO ISLAM
DESTRUCTION TO THE DEMON'CRATIC PARTY
DESTRUCTION TO LEFTISM WORLD WIDE (SORRY Mr T. BLAIR)
DEATH TO ISLAM
DESTRUSTION TO MECCA, MEDINA AND AL-AQSA MOUSEÂ’QE
SHIT & PISS BE UPON MOHAMMED, ISLAM'S DEMONIC PERVERT MESSENGER
Posted by: ARNOLD at September 22, 2004 07:26 PM (4mlEH)
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I think with every beheading that takes place, americans should be dropping tonnages of bomb, and eventaully destroying the nation..
Posted by: american rules at September 22, 2004 07:39 PM (aCqkt)
Posted by: J.D. at September 22, 2004 07:52 PM (auCnB)
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i wish that one day yes this will all stop but what i really wish is that they same thing will happen to the all of them god bless his soul
- jupes
age 15
Posted by: jupes at September 22, 2004 07:53 PM (vaJh+)
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Can anyone tell me why no American fights or at least says something demeaning to these cowards just before the beheading? I think it's safe to say that if you are an American taken hostage in Iraq, you're a dead man. With that assumed, why don't we go down in flames. Hell, I'd fight, kick, claw, spit, roll, curse hoping I'd get an M-16 round in my face before I let some pussy with a pair of underwear cut my head off.
Quick memo to workers in the region: You assumed the risk, now go down fighting. Don't plead for your life. It only makes you and all other Americans look weak. I think these terrorist activities are grotesque, but the more I see these videos, I expect nothing else from these parasites. Fuck em', at least spit in there face.
Finally, can some network stop making these killings a headline. It glorifies and validates these desert pigmies.
Yes, I agree. BOMB al-Jazeera daily.
It's the terrorist network message delivery system. Fuck the civilians there. They shouldn't be there anyway.
Let's get Pissed off, not pissed on!!!
Posted by: whatsthedealwiththecheezyscreennames at September 22, 2004 07:54 PM (8XqMR)
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Whoa there Arnold....no need to get THAT way about it. What you said (in essence) is that all Muslims are bad. Oops, I mean that all Muslims are evil. Okay, let's rundown a few things, shall we.
Gee, I guess all Christians are bad as well. Why? Don't you know, the KKK were a "bunch of good christian boys just protecting what's theirs".
I'm for taking care of the enemy, but there are plenty of average, every day good people who just happen to be Muslim.
You, lighten up. Take a heavy sedative...hell with your racist attitude, take a whole damn bottle and chase it with a gallon of gasoline.
You know who you remind me of...those guys in Iraq and the M.E. who spend their time hating something they don't understand, and they hate it with a passion that could only be borne of ignorance.
And now I am sure that you'll go and pass yourself off and some God-fearing man with some sort of morality, or some kind of crap like that. I find it offensive that in the same post you are asking for God to bless him and him and him, yet you can spew that sewage out of your pie-hole and somehow be okay with it.
So in summation, we have discovered that you are indeed a racist evolutionary dead-end, who's kind we would have hoped would have died out with the neanderthal. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that you were probably a middle to upper middle class jerk with a penchant for cowardice and a huge case of self loathing. You have the right to your opinion, I'll grant you that, but I don't think that Freedom of Speech was intended by the Founding Fathers as the right for you to make a total Jackass of yourself, and in public while offending just about anyone with any sort of moral sensibility.
Posted by: Scott at September 22, 2004 07:59 PM (vHUN2)
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Please America do the whole world a favour and blow that fuckin country up......quickley and painfully.....and too the rest of the world take your heads out your asses you pack of pussies and pick a side.......... or its your head..
Posted by: Del Boy at September 22, 2004 08:26 PM (ZHp2p)
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Solution is simple. Tracking implants. They are about he size of a Norplant. Go into the arm or leg. When they take a hostage...you lock on the signal. Get the co-ordinates....send in the SEALs, Green Berets or the Goon Squad of your choice. Rescue the hostage...keep the fill rolling....then KILL THEM ALL by cutting them stem to sternum. Let there guts spill onto the floor while they die in agony....one...by...one.
Then MOAB the building and all those around it. The neighbors know whats been happening. So take them out too.
After a while...they'll figure it out...but hundreds of terrorists will die first. Sure, there will be colateral damage...but this will make the non-terrorists flee town when the real terrorist move in....and that is a really nice indicator to home in on.
FYI...one MOAB has more explosive power then the H-Bomb dropped on Japan. But no radiation because it is a conventional explosive. Just a really BIG one.
As far as the beheadings being Bush's fault because he is at the wheel when it happens. How about blaming CLINTON for being asleep at the wheel while they planned and trained for 9/11 right here in the US! If you wanna Blame Bush for 9/11 you need a reality check! You wanna blame Bush for these beheadings....you need to stare into a mirror until you find one of the greatest problems with this country. It shouldn't take to long.
DA
Posted by: DeadlyArcher at September 22, 2004 08:47 PM (Jm7TS)
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I have an updated post on the two Italian women here.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047047.php
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 22, 2004 09:02 PM (JQjhA)
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If anything the basic reason why nobody fights is that they come from the western world, where they are trained to believe through television and the various medias that hostages are going to be let go in "exchange" for something.
Utter disbelief of their iminent death is what keeps them planted on their butts. They are conditioned to believe that they will not be mistreated by their captors when they are "arrested". That they will get their day to say something on their own behalf, or at the very least be allowed to defend their good names. But alas this is not the case everywhere else in this world.
Order is found by numerous means. For us democracy is our means of order, for others religious dictatorship can be theirs. Communist authority still resides in parts of the world and they have order as well...but keep in mind, even most of the civilised world still executes their prisoners; hanging, electrocution, lethal injection, beheading, etc. Saudi Arabia still practices torture and beheading as what they deem to be justified punishment. Not all those accused of a crime are guilty, yet there are still many who are executed that are innocent of the crimes they are accused of.
Plus when you stop mass executions then you are left with few alternatives. Corporal punishment and incarceration to name a couple. The USA has the highest incarceration rate of the entire world.
As a point, do not think that I am making a case for capital/corporal punishment or incarceration.
Nor would I condone the acts presented in these videos. I simply wish to present a little light on what is actually going on.
If any nation wishes to call itself civilised then it must firstly eliminate all forms of barbarism within its ranks. But at the same time I cannot eliminate the utter reality that violence is the ultimate form of power in the universe. Who can resist nature at its absolute worst.
A military friend once said to me: "Peace is wonderful, peace if fostered could be great for all mankind. That all people would work together and create a loving society free from greed and violence, could truly be greatness. But I can't help but imagine myself attacking them outright simply because they would never see it coming."
with Love,
DLS
Posted by: DLS at September 22, 2004 09:30 PM (DH2Ov)
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Thank you Rusty, for helping us keep our eyes open.
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 09:31 PM (B7IRT)
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These beheadings have been happening for years and years its only now in the light of what is happening (ie: they attack USA) do we stand up and acknowledge it. What about all the women who have been shot in the head in football stadiums because they betrayed their husbands, did we take note. A Russian officer shot in the back then beheaded by Chechyan forces, did we take note.
Only when they crap on our lawn do we stand up and take note. Is this ignorance.
I have watched these videos many a time and they disgust and give me nightmares, i cannot imagine what there families are going through.
But lets not blame all islams, it is a small minority of islamic extremists. Lets not forget the KKK and what they did/do in the name of Christianity. See www.kkk.com its in your country.
Or what the BNP extremists do in the UK.
There are thousands of extremists out there but WE JUST DON'T TAKE NOTE.
Watch the videos open your eyes, do something but don't be ignorant.
Posted by: Adrian at September 22, 2004 10:14 PM (hTzwF)
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I am so sick of people blaming Bush for this. I think we'll all be royally screwed if Kerry is elected because he's a coward who will cater to every whim of these sadistic almost humans. You can't negotiate with terrorists. The second we do, they will see beheadings as a form of control and power and will be butchering innocents left and right. You have to remember that we are dealing with souless bastards that have no regard for human life. Remember, they asked for this when they flew our planes into the twin towers. Thank God Bush was in office and stood up in defense of America, unlike Clinton who just kept saying that the guilty parties of the Cole, embassy and World Trade Center would pay and just had a couple of SCUDS fired off and called it good. He was offered Bin Ladin and refused him because he didn't want to piss of the UN. Wow, what a great leader. Imagine if that sissy Gore was in office on 9/11!!! At least Bush is showing them what happens when you f*#$k with the good ol' US of A and isn't backing down because a few hippy liberals think it's wrong to go to war under any circumstance. Remember, freedom isn't free. My husband served in Iraq and I'm proud of him for doing so. You hippy liberals need to lay off the weed and actually think about the safety of your fellow Americans. If you don't like it, get out. Bush is going to be our president for 4 more years, so get used to it!
Posted by: Tammy at September 22, 2004 11:03 PM (QqxFu)
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I thought about watching this video. As it was buffering, I decided not to. I saw the Nick Burg video and I'm still haunted by it. Praises to Bush for doing everything possible for ridding the world of these disgusting so-called people. How can someone so nonchantly just chop off someone's head? You have to be without a soul, which I believe these people are. My heart goes out for the families. I do have to say that I wish he fought back. It's a given that they're going to butcher you once they have, so give it your all and go out fighting. I'd be yelling God Bless America!!!, then I'd reach up and tear off someone's nut sack.
Posted by: Tammy at September 22, 2004 11:11 PM (QqxFu)
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hey just wondering about the last 2 videos: obviously i am horrified, but: i notice some sounds towards the end of the decapitations which sound like pig/beast noises dubbed in. i have a good ear and i'm pretty sure the noises i mentioned are not authentic. so my question: did the terrorists dub it in, or did it happen somewhere else along the chain? its a bit weird, but i'm wondering if it is some sort of sick commentary or joke on the radicals' part, maybe equating the infidel with pigs or something? listen closely, i don't think the audio is all natural.
i'm sure i'll get alot of people thinking i'm callous/uncaring or whatever, but really i'm just a bit scientific by nature, and i am truly wondering if anyone else noticed this.
Posted by: jack at September 22, 2004 11:43 PM (AaBEz)
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It's empowering to think of these murdered innocents, going out in a blaze of glory, but it's more likely that these poor souls were probably so terrified they were paralized. Being unable to respond to the body's fight or flight response, knowing death is near, painful, and slow and hoping beyond all hope that the words spoken behind you were that of your release... I think... no, I know I would be frozen in fear. Hell, I freeze when I see a spider! So, it wouldn't really be unusual to see that type of fear reaction.
Posted by: Laundry Queen at September 22, 2004 11:50 PM (B7IRT)
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just a reminder: atrocities committed in the name of god/religion/philosophy have been going on since the beginnings of "civilization". in fact, religion is the basic building block of the thing we call society; later it was called "law". remember, these people have been shielded from advances/changes in culture for the last several hundred years: they weren't born watching TV broadcasts, international news, magazines, art, literature etc..... so when they are thrust into modernity, they act as what we would call savages- kinda like the indigenous americans vs. euro-settlers in the american west 150 years ago. ever hear of "scalping"?
keep an open mind. of course i condemn all this, but these people are simply ignorant and out of touch, not demons. well maybe demons. i'm an atheist so i don't know about these terms
peace out
Posted by: jack at September 22, 2004 11:59 PM (AaBEz)
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These beheadings have been happening for years and years its only now in the light of what is happening (ie: they attack USA) do we stand up and acknowledge it. What about all the women who have been shot in the head in football stadiums because they betrayed their husbands, did we take note. A Russian officer shot in the back then beheaded by Chechyan forces, did we take note.
Only when they crap on our lawn do we stand up and take note. Is this ignorance.
I have watched these videos many a time and they disgust and give me nightmares, i cannot imagine what there families are going through.
But lets not blame all islams, it is a small minority of islamic extremists. Lets not forget the KKK and what they did/do in the name of Christianity. See www.kkk.com its in your country.
Or what the BNP extremists do in the UK.
There are thousands of extremists out there but WE JUST DON'T TAKE NOTE.
Watch the videos open your eyes, do something but don't be ignorant.
Posted by: Adrian at September 23, 2004 12:03 AM (hTzwF)
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hey i will pray for you and those that are lost
Posted by: skylar at September 23, 2004 12:06 AM (VLYa7)
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The Armstrong video is by far the most terrible to watch as he suffered much more but in the end death is death and they did nothing to deserve this ungodly horror.As far as pigs being dubbed over the end of the Armstrong video as Jack has asked i will say that yes it sounds like it but i believe it is not dubbed but a actual recording of sheer terror as the mind is registering death approaching.I have witnessed pigs beig slaughtered and the squeels sound just like it but i still believe the sounds were from Armstrong in sheer terror.If you have not watched the video try not to or you will learn what to scream bloody murder really means.No God could ever condone such evil and the people who can do such things are not human but diabolically insane and if there is a devil than he surely must reside inside their pitiful excuse for a mind.Death will find them too and my only hope it will find them soon.How can they look in a mirror and be happy with the image that looks back.Kill them God if you do exist.Kill them Marines for you do exist.Let go of the leash politicians as this is no time for restraint.
Posted by: ROODOG at September 23, 2004 12:43 AM (/FlTB)
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if they cant find these cowardley towel heads i say get all the women and childern and any man that doesnt support these scum heads and nuc the rest of them.
Posted by: the worm at September 23, 2004 01:03 AM (qg6KL)
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All I can say is that if the KKK came knocking on my door right now, and said they were no longer against blacks, but were now out to rid the world of the Islam Animals...I would join them IMMEDIATELY.
I support the War, and George Bush. But I think it is time to withdraw all troops, deport all Islamists back to Iraq. Give them 24 hours to turn over their leaders....and if they do not comply...drop a Nuclear Bomb on Baghdad.
Posted by: DR Stefan at September 23, 2004 01:45 AM (Pbs6a)
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Has anyone noticed that both videos cut just as they take the knife to the throat? It looks to me like they are stopping tape and maybe killing them off tape(I only hope in a humain way), or maybe they put them to sleep and then start the tape and behead. You don't see any harsh movement in the body, the legs in particular as the terrorists take them to the ground. Sound is probably dubbed in.
Posted by: GS at September 23, 2004 01:59 AM (qfCZP)
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Former contr terrorist adviser, Clark said today that the 9/11 terrorists did not speak any English language while living in the US for months. Still they baught groceries and moved from state to state. Thus, he concluded they had local support from people who live in the States and know the lang. Who do you think assisted them?
Would Christians or Jews help them? I hear you. The chances are good that other Muslims living here helped them. So, when I hear on this board a call for revenge on all Muslims (like this Italian guy said), I tend to think that there is some merit to this even so I'm against any brutalities.
Adviser
Posted by: adviser at September 23, 2004 02:20 AM (XwBGf)
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As a marine, i really wished we would have nuked them till they glow, and then when there glowing bright, shoot them in the dark.......after watching this video my time i served in Iraq was well worth it. I just wish i still had one in the chamber for each of them in the video.....I'm a marine, and that is my job. This video makes me want to go back to iraq, and get the job done.
Posted by: pfc at September 23, 2004 02:33 AM (0ca58)
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My condolences to the entire world. It is sad to see that barbarism has not gone down since Ghenghis Khan. These guys are all the same. There is only one solution and that is a long term one...I do not believe a short term solution exists. Those who believe that by leaving these mad men alone the problem will be solved are mistaken. They will TERRORIZE like mad as they have been taught that since they were infants...Any person who is a non believer is to be killed..Pure shit, but they think that is the ultimate truth.
1) Capture the Country in question by using Military Might and have it run by a Multinational force
2) Imprison all the spreaders of violence and keep them there for good-you can try reforming them but I would think its a waste of time...
3) Round up all the children and provide proper education, health and other amneties and make sure they grow up like normal human beings.
4)Hand over the country back to it's nationals after 20 years.
5) Keep the spreaders of violence and terrorism locked up elsewhere for good.
Posted by: Danny at September 23, 2004 03:06 AM (eMtO/)
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And yet we are prosecuting our soldiers for alleged mistreatment of prisoners. If putting a dog leash on these Military Combatants is mistreatment, what exactly is the behaeading of INNOCENT civilians. These poor men have done nothing but go to work to rebuild a country that is full of animals and barbarians and yet they are being executed. I wonder how many more of these barbaric acts have to be committed before we can remove the kids gloves and start fucking those animals up.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2004 03:21 AM (WICUl)
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We should pull all of our works out of this country and let them get on with the rebuilding of there country themselves, lets face it they have lived like animals for years, another few going to make no difference
Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 04:15 AM (1KXSw)
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Dave, the kidnapping, torture and killing of civillians is abhorrent and is carried out by people who have no respect for life never mind international law.
The U.S and Allied forces are obliged to treat all prisoners with due process before the law. Were it to abandon this process, then it would send the terrorists the message that teh west is as ruthless as they are. Removing the kids gloves, turnin the sand to glass, nuke those bastards, comments etc etc are reactionary and ignorant. The soldiers who carried out the degrading acts on the Iraqi detainees have done nothing but bring shame upon their respective armies. After all you wouldn't want to reduce yourself to their level or would you?
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 04:31 AM (4PPsx)
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Dee, prior to Saddam's coming to power. Iraq was a thriving country where the inhabitants enjoyed a reasonable standard of living, where Jews Musluims and Christians co -existed. They were only impoverished by Saddam, a tyrant whom the U.S was quite happy to support while he waged his war against Iran. To refer to them as animals now is disgusting and clearly shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the situation at all. Please refrain from making further posts unless you have something worthwhile to say.
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 04:41 AM (4PPsx)
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Just watched the video after looking at the pictures how these monsters can do that is beyond belief,it turned my stomach so much seeing what they did to that poor man,my heart goes out to his family and i hope they never ever come across that video and watch it.I live in Britain and hope the same dosent happen to the British hostage but i know it will.My sympathys go out to all the families who have lost loved one`s to these brutal monsters.
Posted by: d scott at September 23, 2004 04:51 AM (q1oAV)
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My thoughts are if the media would leave Bush alone and let him handle all these heathens,maybe we would see some of there top people beheaded. We are living in times that truly are scarey, but at the same time, we must all pull together and pray for a President who is not afraid to stand up to these terriost-Some have already forgotten 9-11- I'll never forget!! They took out almost 3,000 scared people in less than 2 hours. What was President Bush suppose to do- turn the other cheek. One of our problems is the media, every one wants to make a better story. Why won't they show some of the good our troops have done in Iraq? May God be with the Hensley family and all the others who have lost loved ones to these gutless , godless murderers-
I am so sorry for there grief and loss.
Elaine
Georgia
Posted by: Elaine at September 23, 2004 05:49 AM (ziRaZ)
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islam is shit it's follower are shit
there is an islamic word: kafir
which means non-believer a disbeliever in God
and there is nothing worse than being called kafir to a muslim
all muslims are kafir
the only thing they care about is world domination and money
islam is a plague
it's time for the new crusades
and fuck cat stevens traitor piece of shit
Posted by: muslim hater at September 23, 2004 07:04 AM (Lw3uP)
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Are you guys dense? When I said we only saw these beheadings under Bush, I was referring to the public beheadings that our families and even kids have to deal with in our own country. When did we have these public videos of beheadings that our country had to face and deal with concerning people of OUR country? Even tho they had these beheadings hundreds of years ago, unless Im GOD, I doubt I was around to watch them by just clicking twice on the internet. Morons. I dont remember having this issue under Clinton and Reagan, I dont remember being scared about my own people visiting Iraq cuz the next day I might see them wearing an orange jumpsuit calling for my help on national TV.
Posted by: Disgusted at September 23, 2004 07:18 AM (B16gZ)
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quote James (Dee, prior to Saddam's coming to power. Iraq was a thriving country where the inhabitants enjoyed a reasonable standard of living, where Jews Muslims and Christians co -existed. They were only impoverished by Saddam, a tyrant whom the U.S was quite happy to support while he waged his war against Iran. To refer to them as animals now is disgusting and clearly shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the situation at all. Please refrain from making further posts unless you have something worthwhile to say.)
Okay i might of been wrong calling them animals,but come on theres been trouble in Iraq for decades.
The twentieth-century history of Iraq has been a troubled one. Since its establishment by the British in the 1920s, the country has witnessed the rise and fall of successive regimes, culminating in the dictatorship of Saddam Husain.Look at IraqÂ’s political history the Ottoman empire, to the development of the state, its transformation from monarchy to republic and the rise of the BaÂ’th party and the ascendancy of Saddam Husain.Social conflict, of power struggles between rival clans, of hostility and wars with neighboring states, as well as of their aftermath, and IraqÂ’s deteriorating relations with the West.
Not forgetting how many times the British were dragged into Iraq to protect the oil fields over these years.
1968 July 17: Bakr and his followers overthrow president Abdul Rahman Arif. Bakr becomes the new president of Iraq. He soon came to cooperate closely with his second cousin, Saddam Hussein, in widening his power base in the officer corps.
As deputy to the ailing General Bakr, Saddam Hussein instituted widespread reforms and built up a ruthless security apparatus.
The two leaders' early moves caused concern in the West.
In 1972, at the height of the Cold War, Iraq signed a 15-year treaty with the Soviet Union.
It also nationalized the Iraqi Petroleum Company, which had been set up under British administration and was pumping cheap oil to the West.
Soaring oil revenues resulting from the 1973 oil crisis were invested in industry, education and health care, raising Iraq's standard of living to one of the highest in the Arab world.
In 1974, Kurds in the north funded by the US-backed Shah of Iran rebelled.
The conflict pushed Baghdad to the negotiating table, where Iraq agreed to share control of the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway with Iran.
The Shah cut off the Kurds' funds and the Iraqi regime put down their uprising.
Saddam Hussein extended his grip on power, stationing relatives and allies in key government and business roles.
In 1978, membership of opposition parties became punishable by death.
The following year, Saddam Hussein forced General Bakr's resignation - officially due to ill health - and assumed the presidency.
He executed dozens of his rivals within days of taking power
Also not forgetting my 18 years son is now in Iraq serving with the British army so next time i don't know what i am talking about I'll take your advise and (refrain from making further posts unless i have something worthwhile to say.)
Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 07:28 AM (1KXSw)
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Dee. I did not mean to cause offence and I hope that your son makes a safe return. However I am fed up reading comments which suggest that the Iraqis/ Muslims are a sub-human race. Comments such as sand nxxgers, camel jockeys et al are noxious.
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 07:40 AM (4PPsx)
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For example, the comment from Muslim hater. Clearly written by someone not even fit to live with neanderthals.
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 07:43 AM (4PPsx)
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No offense taken i was in the wrong for calling them animal, i meant the Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al-Tawhid Wal Jihad terrorist organization.
I do understand there are alot of innocent people live there that probably want to see peace as much as we all do
Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 07:58 AM (1KXSw)
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You poor, deluded fools. These people are dying because they are somewhere they have no business being. Reading the comments here, many of you sound as crazy as the killers on the videos, and if the situation was reversed I'm inclined to believe you would be the ones doing the televised executions. Although not with knives or swords - you'd use guns, which are less dramatic but far more American.
You are all insane.
Posted by: Sandall at September 23, 2004 08:39 AM (mwXE8)
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At last, some sensible comment on here. I might put my foot in it now but please bear with me.
This suggestion that all muslims are evil, bad or even the same as each other is ridiculous. If I said all whites are christian, or all christians are catholic, or all catholics go to church regularly, you'd know instantly that I was talking out of my arse. So why do you think that saying all Muslims are "whatever" is valid?
These ridiculous generalisations are a complete waste of keyboard time.
You lot need to realise that the Muslims in question are EXTREMISTS. ie. they have particularly EXTREME viewpoints. And I think it's been fairly well explored in the public eye that their views do not reflect a strict adherence to the Qur'an (Koran) anyway. The guys that cut peoples heads off aren't going to get any virgins in heaven.
PLUS (and here's where you might start ignoring me) I have a feeling that whilst their means cannot be justified (murdering people is never a good thing, regardless of the method used, but this method makes me sick inside), their anger is genuine and needs to be considered.
Where did their anger come from? I see two possible sources: miseducation by manipulative elders, and in this case the perpetrators of these crimes might benefit from a demonstration by us (the Enemy in their eyes) of how their education was flawed. ie. don't drop down to their level. Get rid of all this "eye for an eye" shit and just step back (and that includes the occupying army in their country I guess)
The other source is anger at Allied attacks on their people. They've lost more innocent civilians overall. It might be 'justifiable' to us as some kind of consequence of 'war' but try seeing it from their point of view. They're pissed off and they have no chance of winning this fight so they've turned dirty. I can see WHY.
I can't agree with their actions, but I have some degree of sympathy for their position.
By the way, I don't actually see HOW the allied army could possibly pull out not without it being seen as a victory for the terrorists. So I guess we can't pull out, but I don't see a solution to the problem unless we do.
how fucked up is THAT!?
Posted by: Joe at September 23, 2004 08:57 AM (iCvLC)
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I love the idea of placing a tracking chip inside the contractors. Lo-jack to help trace terrorists! Also, fellow Americans, please watch other news besides CNN, Fox, MSNBC. These broadcasters are so freaking sanatized and slanted. They are more concerned with putting a stupid soundtrack and flashy graphics to acompany each story than they are with delivering a complete and accurate story. A couple weeks ago, when Russia had the terrorist hostage situation inside the schoolhouse that went horrible wrong. All mainstream media spent the first 15 minutes of their broadcasts rambling on and on about Bill Clintons cheeseburgered heart and his upcoming bypass. Then, they only gave the russian story (where 300 children and adults were killed mind you) a whopping 20seconds and told nothing about the story i.e. (the terrorists, who they are, where are they from, who leads them, what were their demands, what is believed to have gone wrong, etc, etc..)... But, I can now tell you that a bypass involves taking a large vein from the leg!
Rediculous.
(Newsworld International tends to have some decent news feeds.) At least through them I got to find out that Chechnya is rapidly becoming a Islamic society and wants independence from russia. NWI ran a nice long piece (10+min) and gave a lot of background on whats going on over there. And, they seemed to pull it off without a soundtrack and fancy animated graphics! Gee, how do they do it.
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 08:57 AM (Vs3h7)
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I HATE THEM! WE MUST STOP THEM! THEY DON'T HAVE A HEART!
Posted by: LP at September 23, 2004 09:09 AM (AaBEz)
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The Islamic barbarians in Iraq and other countries in that area believe they will go straight to paradise and 72 or so virgins if they sacrifice themselves to kill infidels. They also believe that pork is impure and any contact with it will result in a straight trip to hell. When are we going to start shooting them with bullets soaked in pig fat and burying them wrapped in pig hide?
Posted by: seadog at September 23, 2004 09:13 AM (Pbs6a)
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The thought of 70 virgins awaiting these morons is almost comical. I mean c'mon. Have any of them ever stopped long enough to think that maybe the reason those women are still virgins is because during their time on earth, no one in the ENTIRE middle east would fuck them!
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:36 AM (Vs3h7)
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EDIT: The thought of 70 virgins awaiting these morons is almost comical. I mean c'mon. Have any of them ever stopped long enough to think that maybe the reason those women are still virgins is because during their time on earth, they were so ugly that no one in the ENTIRE middle east would fuck them!
Posted by: Chris at September 23, 2004 09:37 AM (Vs3h7)
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JUST SEND IN A B52 AND NUKE THE WHOLE LOT OF THE CUNTS THAT WILL SET EM ALL STRAIGHT WONT IT...OR ALL OVER THE PLACE ONE OF THE TWO.
Posted by: bob at September 23, 2004 10:01 AM (zAfBm)
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Yea very smart, nuke them all. Then they will release every biological weapon they have on us in retaliation. I dont think I want my future kids to have an arm growing on their heads. These people are crazy enough to behead an innocent civilian with their own bare hands, you really think they wouldnt have a plan B if we just nuked them? We kill, they kill, we nuke, they nuke....it will be neverending! Morons.
Posted by: Disgusted at September 23, 2004 10:11 AM (B16gZ)
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These individuals belonging to this "islamic jihad" network are actually acting like brain-washed cult members. And this Abu Musab al Zarqawi's is nothing more than a serial killer cult leader. He needs to be wiped off the face of the earth ASAP.
I heard that coalition forces recently killed his "spiritual leader":
http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/09/22/story167657.html
That's a great start!!!
Posted by: mike at September 23, 2004 11:12 AM (UhA4c)
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Why the f*ck are there still civilians in Iraq???
Let's get them the hell out of there.
THen let's get all foreign troops out of there and have Iraq solve there own issues!!!
Who wants this?
Posted by: Daan at September 23, 2004 11:32 AM (E/crZ)
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They are there to make the kind of money they cant make wherever they live for doing the same kinds of jobs, they get a LOT -and I stress a LOT- of tax free money (I know this because I knew someone considering doing this until his family talked him out of it right after the Paul Johnson incident)....they have compassion to help a country in need and they have a need to have the money to take care of their families, they see this as a way to help themselves. What I want to know is...how easy is it for them to come back once they get over there?
Posted by: ShaniFaye at September 23, 2004 11:52 AM (RXjHU)
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For those looking for hard data to prove someone wrong about where Iraq received its weapons...
Weapons imported by Iraq, 1973-2002
Share of Sales by Country
USSR: 57%
France: 13%
China: 12%
Czechoslovakia: 7%
Poland: 4%
Brazil: 2%
Denmark: 1%
Egypt: 1%
Libya: 1%
Romania: 1%
United States: 1%
Source: SIPRI (Stockholm International Peach Research Institute)
Posted by: J.D. at September 23, 2004 12:00 PM (auCnB)
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MIs condolencias para la familia, y les comento que no deberian mostrar los videos. Ya que es muy doloroso para los expectadores.
Posted by: Adolfo at September 23, 2004 12:06 PM (QZQD6)
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James wrote:
>Please refrain from making further posts unless you have something worthwhile to say.
How thoughtful of you to encourage stifling of FREE SPEECH on a PUBLIC bulletin board. You wouldn't happen to be for banning books as well, would you? I'm hoping your last name is not Goebbels or Kerry.
Posted by: J.D. at September 23, 2004 12:09 PM (auCnB)
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Zarcowardly wants some female prisoners released. I think we should behead them in retaliation. Luckily they are being held by civilized people. However, I believe the day will come when the people of the "religion of peace" get to see what real terror is...break out the big weapons Bush!!! Before they do.
Posted by: Scott at September 23, 2004 12:41 PM (RbAPS)
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these people dont deserve to be killed like this by people whom we dont even knw who are.. but does 50-60 iraqi civilians that die .. what justifies their death after all it is us that are in their land
Posted by: matt at September 23, 2004 12:54 PM (rR3Vn)
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Well we live in the modern world where war is not fought in trenches anymore. There is no advantage in ground war for these scum so they turn to all they have. I am not condoning it but i'm also not blaming Bush. We are fighting something we have never fought before.
We need individual security and weapons traiings for civies in Iraq. We need a nation united around a wartime president so our troops whom are demoralized from these beheadings dont have to be further upset by Kerry's ridicule of what they are doing. They risk their lives daily and Kerry is spewing negativity and lies about what needs to be accomplished.
The US cannot give in to demands and must remain strong. We who are computer hackers should try to locate the IP address of the scum that is posting this and help where we can. I have narrowed it down to 20 IP's so far. If anyone wants to helpme let me know.
Andrew
Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 01:07 PM (Rb9XS)
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Allah is a pimp and Mohammed is a pediphile, murderer, and abuser of women. Soon we will have no alternative. If Islamic attacks continue, nuke Mecca and Medina and be done with it.
Posted by: FranceSux at September 23, 2004 01:08 PM (JnzUK)
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As SaniFaye has suggested, the reason civilians are in Iraq is one of the two reasons mentioned: big money, or the urge to help. I know, because I was in negotiations with a company to go there and help rebuild their Communications infrastructure. Big money was the initial lure, but the fear of living and working amounst a people that doesn't want me there was enough to scare me away from such a job. And this was before any of the recently publicized beheadings. The coalition wants to rebuild the country to show that it invaded it to make it better. If the coalition pulls out and leaves the country in dis-array, the rest of the world will condemn the coalition of not finishing the job, AGAIN. That's gonna costs lives, lots of lives.
It's still very ironic to me that these people who supposedly are fighting for their homeland will do anything in their power to insure that they continue to live in filth and squalor, in the dark ages. Maybe it's because they know, instintively, that they hate-breeding cannot survive in a country that has access to information other than what their "spiritual leaders" tell them is the truth.
I listened to my grandfather talk of the days on the farm when everyone looked forward to go to church because it was their only means of socialization: they got their news there. Of neighbors, of births and deaths, governments actions, the weather, everything that we take for granted now becuase it's a few clicks away. Imagine if the ONLY source of getting your information, from the day you were born, was from al-Zurqawi or Osama. The ONLY thing you were taught was that as a Muslim, all non-Muslims must be exterminated. What a sad world that is.
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 01:23 PM (vQTt9)
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Islam states it is the summation of Judeo-Christian Tradition. Jews reject this because it does not recognize Jesus as a Mesiah, nor is Muhammad recognized at all. Christianity rejects the Muslim claim because Muslims consider Crhist a prophet in a long line with Jewish tradition or so the story is told. Islam cannot say to be a tradition of both traditions because they are not in accord.
Of these monotheistic traditions one may be correct, one was a gift to all mankind and one is false.
Question: Would God bless jihad?
Posted by: James at September 23, 2004 01:25 PM (Qbr01)
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Just a thought but maybe if we pull all construction works out and put our child molesters, certain murders and rapists to do these jobs
Posted by: Dee at September 23, 2004 01:25 PM (3JqL7)
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I truly believe Americans cannot even begin to understand the way of Zarqawi and others. We have not had the mental conditioning for that kind of hatred and cruelty.
It is very simple. We must stay in Iraq. Civilians need the good pay and it is good for the Iraqi people to see Americans not in uniform on their streets. What needs to be done is the Civilians need to convoy and movement and have very good weapons training. If you cant handle a weapon and the risk then dont take the job. Second , they should have a full time security force with them. Third, they need to live in barracks with soldiers not in expensive homes the standard Iraqi cant even afford.
Andrew
Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 01:46 PM (Rb9XS)
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Quote: "What needs to be done is the Civilians need to convoy and movement and have very good weapons training. If you cant handle a weapon and the risk then dont take the job."
Andrew... these contractors are forbidden the carrying of weapons due to the fact that they are not there to fight and they have been forced to sign over their right to self protect themselves. If they shot someone, even in self defense, they could be tried for a warcrime. Especially since you know that those heathen people would deem the person who got shot an honorable member of society who was an active member of the mosque and who served his community, a husband and father who never threatened anyone and has nothing to do with this war.
Posted by: chris at September 23, 2004 02:02 PM (Vs3h7)
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TO DB: Why do you think we should be better than them. We are better than them but they chose this path and should be payed in kind. Andrea is right. Retaliation is the only thing they understand. God bless the families of the victims.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2004 02:02 PM (52AfP)
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I may be one of those hippy liberals you all speak of with such disgust. Let me assure you that these videos and acts of terror have the same effect on me as you. I think the perpetrators should be slowly tortured to death; I don't think ALL muslims should be. I think terrorist cells should be destroyed pre-emptively; not nations. I agree (strangely) with Pat Buchanon, who has a very pragmatic idea for the war on terror (even HE thinks Bush has made a mess of things). Tell every country, "from this day forward, if we find evidence of terrorist cells/activity in your country, we are coming in to destroy them. Further, if we don't feel like you're doing your best to expose these psychos we will level sanctions against you." It's pretty clear to see that VERY quickly countries would get the idea that it is in their best interest to root out terrorism within their borders, because otherwise we would be destroying their county and crippling them economically. My 2 cents there...
Don't really understand the outrage at Kerry at all these sites. I'm not a huge fan of his, but let's do a compare and contrast:
1. Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam; Bush went AWOL from the reserve.
2. Some THINK Kerry lied about subtleties of a firefight on the swiftboat; yet we KNOW Bush lied about the state of WMDs in Iraq. Don't really know why Americans (not singling out conservatives or liberals) aren't outraged more by this. Christ, we watched the Starr Commission search for months (was it years) for something to nab Clinton on. Whitewater didn't pan out; all they had was a blowjob in the WhiteHouse. How many people died for that blowjob? How many countries did we alienate? Yes, he lied under oath ("I did not have sex with that woman"). I'd like to hear from ANY of you that you would have told the truth in that situation (if your WIFE didn't even know about your infidelity). It is LUDICROUS to compare Clinton's lie and the Bush administration lie, period.
3. Bush is not conservative! Hasn't vetoed a single spending bill, and offers tax cuts when the country is in debt; NOT conservative...
4. Kerry is weak - he was in NAM, that's good enough for me.
5. Kerry flip flops - I flip flopped as well. When Bush said we need to invade Iraq because they had WMDs, I (hippy liberal) actuall DEFENDED that action. I almost had to turn in my hippy ID card! Now, nothing's been found; no WMDs, no links to Al Quaida (sp?), nothing. You see, Kerry and myself were foolish enough to think that the Bush administration was being candid/honest with us. Now that we know it wasn't, please don't mind if we re-examine the correctness of the Iraq invasion. Man, if a mind can't change that's a good indication that it just don't work no more...
All Americans agree on this: terrorists must be wiped out pro-actively. The Bill of rights cannot be thrown in the toilet (Asscroft), or we ain't a 'Free' country. The UN is useless. Would be better if the candidates stressed what we have in common rather than what we all disagree on. If you can take one blessing from 9/11, it was that in the days/weeks/months following that event I felt like America was truly united. Republicans/Democrats/Independents/Greens - it didn't matter; we were all just 'american'. It felt good, I think the fight ahead demands we return to that...
my (more than) 2 cents. Apologies for the long-windedness of my post. God Bless America
Posted by: Leo at September 23, 2004 02:09 PM (Bm/33)
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1) "Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam"--not true, Kerry sought a military differment to leave the country and do graduate work in Europe. He was denied. After his denial, he joined, get this, the Naval Reserve. After his Reserve Unit was activated, he volunteered for Swift Boat duty because Swift Boats were only patrolling the coasts in Vietnam and not seeing action. After Swift Boats began to be deployed to the interior waterways of Vietnam, John Kerry reported minor wounds, one of them not from enemy fire, to get Purple Hearts. In Vietnam, as opposed to other wars, 3 Purple Hearts meant you could leave your Tour of Duty. John Kerry then was transferred out of Vietnam after serving the shortest Tour of Duty in the regiment. When Kerry returned home, he accused his fellow Vets of War Crimes, as an active member of the military met with the North Vietnamese enemy to try to privately negotiate a settlement, then he publicly renounced his service in Vietnam by "giving back his medals" (later, it was found out that he had only pretended to throw them back--ie, the medals he threw away in a publicity stunt weren't really his).
Bush did not go AWOL, this is just left-wing rubbish.
2. "Kerry is weak" -this has nothing to do with him being in Nam, it has to do with the fact that Kerry was a leader in the nuclear freeze movement, is opposed to the death penalty. opposed Star Wars, opposed the Stealth Figther and Bomber, etc. Kerry is a liberal, there is no doubt about that. He is not a Clintonian Southern Democrat, who supports defense. He has opposed all uses of the US Military until the Second Gulf War, which he supported--and then opposed, sort of.
3. Bush is not conservative--Balanced budgets have been advocated by both parties for the better part of 30 years. Non sequitor
4) Some THINK Kerry lied about subtleties of a firefight on the
swiftboat-- I am agnostic on the subject. Obviously, you do not know the difference between a "lie" and having faulty information. John Kerry had the same information that Bush had--oh, wait, John Kerry WOULD HAVE had the same info. as Bush had if he had bothered to show up for his classified intelligence briefing which he did not. That is a matter of record.
5)"Kerry flip flops"--Only because he does. Bush gave multiple reasons for going into Iraq, one of which was stressed by the media. IE, WMD.
Despite your saying you are not a big John Kerry supporter, I can see why. You must find John Kerry too right-wing, probably more of a Howard Dean supporter. And America was united until the left-wingers began to read irrational and dubious motivation into the war in Iraq and began to compare Ashcroft to Hitler and such.
PS-Greens have never been part of mainstream America and have always had a disdain for American nationalism.
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Good points Rusty. A couple counters:
1. The fact remains: Kerry was over their (Vietnam) getting shot at, Bush was not (no one has explained why). What did happen with Bush? I really would like to know...
2. If balanced budget is so important, can you explain to me why it is now so unbalanced, though Clinton left the current administration with surplus?
3. Kerry as leader of nuclear freeze movement: isn't that a good thing?
4. Lie vs. Faulty Information - I don't see this as an excuse in the least. I don't blame Bush as much as the neo-conservatives behind his administration working through him. Anyway, it's pretty obvious he/they are decieving us on purpose. They looked and they looked for concrete links between Al Quaida (our real enemy, lest we forget, the ones that killed all of those people here in the USA) and Iraq, but didn't find any! Bush's own commission substantiates this. What to do what to do. Here's an idea: we'll tell the american people that Saddam has WMDs. Then EVERYONE will support a pre-emptive invasion! Brilliant! It's really all so obvious I don't know how you guys have such a rosy picture of el prez.
But hey, what's done is done. We ARE in Iraq, and cannot leave now. I don't blame Bush for 9/11, and I supported going into Iraq based on the crap he told us (whether he believed it or not is irrelevant) during his State of the Union. Have no idea how ANY president is going to handle this going forward. Now if you excuse me, I have a love-in to attend...
Posted by: leo at September 23, 2004 03:15 PM (Bm/33)
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This is ?
Do it like Hiroshima and this criminal and
sicknes of the islam will be gone ?
This is not Islam this is sick ,crazy matherfuckers..................................
we need kill them over there ,do not give chance
to make them to live this islamic call mudgahedin.
Posted by: Sean at September 23, 2004 03:23 PM (AaBEz)
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Greyrooster: I too believe retaliation is needed. But we can't find the specific bastards. I just don't believe in the total annihilation of all Muslims. That would be like killing all Christians because the KKK claim to be Christian.
To Chris about civilians carrying weapons to protect themselves in Iraq: what good is a sidearm to protect you against RPGs and car bombings? Not sufficient protection, I think.
As for Leo's rants: we each believe the lies we want to believe. Personally, I don't care one iota about the American Presidential candidates Vietnam record. (I believe Kerry's campaign thinks they're running against Richard Nixon.) I don't believe a candidates military service qualifies anyone as presidential material. Unless the candidate was a General, with the associated LEADERSHIP qualities that being a General might indicate, just being a foot-soldier in the military, whether voluntary or not, proves to me no leadership capabilities. Sorry to all you ex-military out there, but taking orders from a CO does not mean you're qualified to be commander-in-chief. I doubt seriously that Bush, and any other president in the past 40 years, has been doing the strategic battlefield deployment planning in any struggle: he has hired guns to make those decisions for him. To me, Kerry and Bush are equally incompetent to lead troops into battle. But that's not the job that we pay them to do.
To all: this whole mentality of "No WMD were found, therefore Saddam was innocent" is bull. If Bush lead you to believe that's the only reason he invaded Iraq, you weren't paying attention. Was it an emotional ploy to get Congress' approval for going in? You bettya. It worked great, didn't it? I missed the certified independant report though that convinced everyone that Bush made this stuff up though. I'm sure one of you can point me to it. Bad Intel? I can believe that. But Bush lying just to dump a bunch of missles on Iraq, where did that story break?
Now here's where I'll piss you all off: Removing Saddam was a good thing based on his treatment of his own people. But, BUT, was he the only dictator in the world worthy of our military might? Hell no. There are others. But just cause there are others, and no other President before Bush wanted to take them on, doesn't mean taking this one on was the "wrong" thing to do. And no, before you jump all over me, I do not think that the "humanitarian condition" of innocent Iraqi's was the reason Bush went to war. It justifies the effort to me, though.
Someone earlier said that we didn't stand up and take notice until the terrorists hit our soil. Damn right. Look at the wimpy Presidents we had in office. I liked Clinton. I thought it was great that there was nothing more newsworthy than his blowjobs: it gave us in the USA the false sense that nothing "bad" was happening in the world. But most recent presidential terms under democrats have been that way. Anyone in the USA ever notice that foreign policy is all hugs-and-kisses under democrats? Then we put a republican in the office when we get sick of the non-handling of our poor domestic affairs, and our attention turns to some poor bully whose poisoning or bombing his own people on the other side of the world. The democratic "head in the sand" tricks make you all feel good, feel safe, but terrorists don't go away just because american attention turns inwards for 4 years. It sure didn't while Clinton passed up on chances to have un-manned drones take out Osama Bin Ladden cause he was "worried about re-election", even though Osama was known to be the source for previous terrorist attacks against American interests that killed many Americans.
So we're all faced with picking one jackass or the other. One represents ignoring problems in hopes they go away. The other platform rejects ignorance as a tolerable stance and attempts to do something about it: right or wrong. Bush and Kerry have as their least common denominator the fact that they are both politicians. We all know what politicians are trained to do best: LIE. Isn't that the definition of a politician? Pick your poison, pick your lier.
When I used to tell my dad I was afraid I couldn't do something as a kid: "You'll never know if you don't try". If you are the parent or relative of someone serving in the USA military right now, tell me that they didn't VOLUNTEER to serve their country because they wanted to try, try to make a difference.
And to think, when I started reading this blog, I was on the fence between Kerry and Bush. I was thinking that maybe it would be good to see nothing on the news except for President Kerry's infidelities, and his wife's affair with the tennis instructor. Damn the rest of the world: let them sort their own troubles out. But after posts like LEO's I realize just how foolish I had become. Thanks to all you Kerry "extremists" for waking me up.
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 03:49 PM (vQTt9)
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Leo,
I feel it is a bad idea to elect a president who wants other nations to take over what we have begun. Ya Mr. Kerry, lets call the French in and see if they can train us. BAH !!
I would rather have a president who is commited to resolving the war and maybe fixing mistakes his ex-intelligence officer gave him than have a 70 peace movement hippy running our government.
Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 04:11 PM (Rb9XS)
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Admittedly, I'm not a good writer. My previous attempts to explain the "WMD's weren't found: war is a farce" may make no sense to you all. I found an article by Andrew C McCarthy over at nationalreview dot com that more concisely hits home:
"For starters, having a just war against militant Islam means there must be some clear, comprehensible nexus between the operations of militant Islam and the opening of any front in the war. Afghanistan was an easy case — so manifest no effort was required to make it: The al Qaeda network orchestrated the 9/11 attacks (as well as others) and Afghanistan was where al Qaeda was given safe harbor. Q.E.D.
Iraq, on the other hand, was a tough case — as the cases against the worst bad guys usually are. Senator Kerry's "diversion" argument is wrong because there was a rich connection between Saddam Hussein's heinous regime and militant Islam — which fully explains why al Qaeda and its affiliated groups were in such a superb position to align with their Baathist confederates and spearhead the vigorous resistance still confronting our forces."
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 04:46 PM (vQTt9)
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It seems to me, now, that we're all forgetting (myself included) that the war against terror is a war against TERRORISTS, not specifically Al Qaeda. When Bush declared war against terror, it was against terrorists located anywhwere, US or elsewhere. Saddam gave safe harbor to terrorists, even if he wasn't involved in their operations. I believe Bush once said that our war on terror would include those countries who harbor terrorists. Remember that this war isn't against a geographical entity, not against a country, but rather a type of person that lives in most all countries. This was a radical thing to do, declaring war on peoples that extend around the globe, and it's a hard thing to wrap your head around because of all the pre-existing notions we all have about the concept of "war", with lines drawn in the sand that one cannot cross. I think this has much to do with the confusion.
If you don't support this war against terror, and feel offended because el Pres didn't ask for you support personally, that's your choice. But much of the rest of the USA is going to support it nonetheless as they feel it's got to be done, for the long term, to prevent militant extremists from achieving their ultimate goal. Man, if that's not defending your country against evil, I don't know what is.
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 04:55 PM (vQTt9)
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DB: you were never on the fence between Kerry/Bush. Everyone in these 'blogs' is beyond being reasoned out of their stance (me included).
What is interesting is that we generally agree or are misunderstanding each other (given your post);
I didn't say that military service made someone a better leader; I violently agree with your entire first paragraph! Bush is the one who brought up the military service records. The record comparison seeks to gauge the integrity of the individuals; as I said, Kerry was in Nam, Bush was (fill in the blank)?
To say "no WMDs were found so Saddam is innocent" is ludicrous, and I violently agree again. However, no independent study on Bush making stuff up is needed; WE FOUND NOTHING. Unfortunate, but true nevertheless...
your 'this is where I'll piss everyone off' paragraph does no such thing. The paragraph is an extended statement of the obvious. However, you take a (large) leap from fighting terrorists (avenging/preventing 9/11)', to "now we're going to go around the world saving people from bully dictators" Hey, it's a noble idea, and I'll even give Bush the benefit of the doubt and assume that were horrible atrocities going on somewhere in, say, Africa, he would have done the same thing (!), but this noble idea is really not the task at hand (which is destroying terrorism). Who the hell honestly thinks Saddam was a good guy? We agree.
And for the record: do you guys watch the news? Clinton was 'this' close to peace in the middle east (remember the amazing shot of Rabin and Arafat shaking hands?). Are you also aware that Clinton made terrorism a priority (spent WAY more time on it then Bush did pre- 9/11) and that Rumsfeld was in the process of dismantling the military whey 9/11 occurred?
Andrew: I'll take the French ponying up some bodies to save americans any day of the year! Don't you guys all hate the french?
Posted by: leo at September 23, 2004 05:01 PM (Bm/33)
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Leo, Military records are a guage of integrity? The sniper who was taking civilians out from 300 yards in front of Home Depots on the US East Coast last year was a trained military sniper. I hardly think that just because Kerry was physically in NAM is any guage of his integrity. We just see that one differently.
On WMDs and Saddam's innocence, I incorrectly implied that you inferred he was. Sorry, been reading through alot of these posts and have read some (from others, apparently) who drew that correlation, so I must have lumped you in with the rest who think that because we didn't find WMDs, we had no justification to invade Iraq (because I assume they have decided that's where the line is drawn: WMD's - OK to invade, NO WMDs - Poor innocent country we invaded.
No, we all know Bush won't invade an African country to overthrow a bully dictator: there's no political agenda there to satisfy. The West has been hell-bent on establishing a viable democracy in the Arab world since the establishment of Israel. Yeah, we've all seen how well that one has gone, haven't we.
And no, I'm not familiar with the "priority" that Clinton made of terrorism. Guess I missed that one. I've only been familiar with his failures, which in hind-sight, cost the US 3000 lives: the one event that woke a sleeping giant. And if Rumsfeld was dismantling the military on 9/11, wouldn't that seem to contractict the opinions of some on these posts that Bush was wanting to invade Iraq (for Daddy's sake) since the day he took office? Why would he be downsizing the military if his intention was to jump back into the lion's den?
And I suppose there are those conspiracy theorists out there that would probably be saying that the Republicans paid Osama to commit the attrocities on 9/11 to turn congressional spending around on the military. Now, THAT, would be a scandal that would make us all forget about Monica Lewinsky!
Posted by: DB at September 23, 2004 05:39 PM (vQTt9)
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Leo,
Being in Nam 4 months does not a president make. If it did we would be saying this about President McCain. He would have taken Gore last election not Bush.
It would not be the French putting bodies in it would be them taking an active role in training. It would be them taking part in the countries income and democracy. Ya, lets let them... they have been very helpfull. They have voted against us in every action at the U.N since Sept 11th. And you think it would be nice to have this help from them. BAH
Posted by: Andrew at September 23, 2004 06:14 PM (Kt9rf)
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I think the U.S. should pass a new torture law and use it against those fucking idiotic cowardly sand niggers when we catch them. I would be the first in line to slowly torture those punk ass fucking abduha, retarded lame ass name, cowards up! Nuke them to fucking hell.
Posted by: dog at September 23, 2004 06:46 PM (Og83q)
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look up 'Scott Tompson'. He was released by this same group. Same with another Canadian. They'll probably release the British Guy too.. "AL-Qaeda" and various fundamentalist Iraq factions want to create a rift between EU and America.. basically they're trying to incite world Islam against the USA.. you invading Iraq is playing directly into their hands.
Posted by: ANSAR AL ISLAM at September 23, 2004 07:41 PM (yijiz)
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we must assume that the US civilian/military personnel in iraq are aware of what happens to these hostages EVERY time one of them is kidnapped. so i appeal to all of them FIGHT!! i understand their hands are bound are probably run through mock executions so these beasts can maintain the element of surprise. but just once i would like to see one of the good guys kick one of these fuckers square in the balls, if nothing else than to send the message that we will not go away, and that the terrorists will and cannot win, and in response to the MOAB idea, maybe the DOD should reconsider
God Bless all who seek freedom for those without access to it
Posted by: eric (swede78) at September 23, 2004 07:45 PM (AaBEz)
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"so i appeal to all of them FIGHT!! i understand their hands are bound are probably run through mock executions so these beasts can maintain the element of surprise. but just once i would like to see one of the good guys kick one of these fuckers square in the balls, if nothing else than to send the message that we will not go away"
THANK YOU! I AGREE. FIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS FIGHT!
AS JIMMY V ONCE SAID..."DON'T GIVE UP, DON'T EVER GIVE UP".
FYI - I DO THINK THERE IS SIGNIFICANT EDITING OCCURING ON THESE TAPES. I HEARD THE PIG NOISE TOO AND IT STUCK WITH ME. I'M NOT BUYING IT! I THINK THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE BEHEADED, AND MAYBE THEY DID FIGHT, BUT WE'LL NEVER KNOW - THANKS TO AMERICAN INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, AND BRILLIANCE OUR OWN GREAT TECHNOLOGY WAS USED TO HURT US AND SCHOCK US. YEAH, I WAS SHOCKED, BUT I'M GETTING NUMB REAL QUICK. SOONER OR LATER IT WILL BE LIKE WATCHING THE LOCAL NEWS ABOUT ANOTHER DRIVE BY SHOOTING - HO HUM! CLICK! CLICK! WHAT ELSE IS ON!
Posted by: IMGONNAKNOCKYOUOUT at September 23, 2004 09:53 PM (8XqMR)
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Man, these videos are making me ill psychologically. Is anyone suffering from the images? I couldnt watch the jack hensley one, I had to stop. The Eugene video was too horrible. Its kinda hard to Hold your child and say "go to school and learn. You have a wonderful life ahead of you" knowing different. I pray to GOD we see an end to this soon. I am a registered republican and I hope BUSH is not waiting to do something so he can secure his win. He already has my vote.
Posted by: Hannibal at September 24, 2004 01:14 AM (ZOlMl)
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Ok first off those are not pig noises being made by those being beheaded, that sound is coming from a severed windpipe. The severed muscles around the windpipe contract. The victim does not die immediately, the sound you here is air rushing out of a severed constricted wet (blood) windpipe. Try this...blow up a balloon(lung) wet the end of the balloon and stretch the opening causing a constriction and slowly open until the air(making a pig sound) comes out. Sorry to be so graphic but I hate when people try to minimize this or make it more palatable by saying the victim was already dead.
And Muslims... Islam was founded by a child molesting pig fucker. The muslim of today is the spawn of this pig and satan. They have proven for thousands of years that they WILL not CAN not live in peace with ANYONE! They all need to be wiped from the face of this earth, and dont give me the lame ass excuse of oh look at the KKK and their beliefs on christianity. No comparison! Islam IS murder Islam IS death and bloodshed. Islam is the product of the union between a pig and satan. Those 2 Iraqi women should be raped by two swine on tape be forced to eat their feces then fed to wild boars. Post the tape on the net.
Posted by: Patriot at September 24, 2004 02:52 AM (11mKi)
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I am truley against all killing of any one, but I have a question, who started all of this, I am glad that Saddam is gone but what did Iraq do to deserve all of this, until now, we were suppose to destroy Saddam and his arsenal of masdestruction weappons, but I think Bush thinks that The Iraqi People are the weappons that Sadam is having, let us stop this endless war, we all are hurting when we see blood from both sides... STOP STOP STOP,, GO HOME to your families, End the Conflect let the Iraqis have a peacefull life........ we dont need to see other American dead or murdered in this ugly and groosom way. may God be with his family and freinds....
Posted by: emad at September 24, 2004 04:33 AM (ovnCJ)
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I SAW THE VIDEOS AND I THINK THEY MUST DRUG THE MEN BECAUSE THEY DONT SAY ANYTHING.I WOULD CUSS THEIR MOTHERS,ALLAH ,FATHER ...ANYTHING!!!!
Posted by: ellen at September 24, 2004 06:50 AM (tIQuE)
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QUELLE HONTE POUR L'HUMANITE. DEPUIS DES SIECLE LES HOMMES SONT BARBARE. LES DECAPITATION! C'EST PAS NOUVEAU. MAIS LES DIFFUSER DEVANT DES MILLIERS D'INTERNAUTE, C'EST PERFIDE! JE PENSE 0 LA FAMILLE QUE A PEUT ETRE VU CES IMAGES TERRIBLES. QUE FAIRE POUR ARRETER CA?
Posted by: DAVID at September 24, 2004 07:19 AM (8zMEP)
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Just to let all of you know. As a U.S. Marine who was in the war and seen some pretty gruesome stuff. This is the worst. I feel obligated to watch these videos as should all americans. All americans should force themselves to watch these videos of their fellow americans getting tortured to death. Why? because watching them makes one realize what we have to protect here. HOME! OUR CHILDREN! The one thing I dont understand is why we are not going house to house and looking for these so called "men"? Yea, we would lose a lot of american military men and women but isnt that what we are there for? To fight the evil doers? When was the last real offensive? I'm not talking about these so-called precision air strikes either, I'm talking about sending 10,000 troops on a terrorist / insurgents hunt. MAN TO MAN! If one of these idiots gets into your neighborhood what will happen? Remember though, I was over there and honestly 50% of the Iraqis were happy that we were there. R/S, The Gunny
Posted by: U.S. Marine at September 24, 2004 07:24 AM (s501P)
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very bad i wish i did not watch it now BARSTERDS!¬!"!!!!!!q!!
Posted by: lee munns at September 24, 2004 07:25 AM (QofXN)
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Posted by: OneTwoThree at September 24, 2004 09:23 AM (xHMcp)
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Just to correct the US Marine. I met a friend a month ago who's just come from Iraq said there's not even 1% of Iraqis who support the Occupation of Americans. American troops have already embarked on far worse than the disgusting footage we saw here on Iraqi civilians.
What amazes me is that there are still Americans back home who believe that the war was launched to eradicate terrorists and not purely for Oil!
You ought to watch Michael Moore's film to understand the whole propoganda.
Posted by: OneTwoThree at September 24, 2004 09:35 AM (xHMcp)
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For the person or idiot citing Mike Moores film, he would be better servered using the move Indenpendence Day as source of information. They both have the same amount of truthful infromation. Fighting the terrorists anywhere but here is what we are doing. Fight them and kill them anywhere but here. If not we will have to fight them in a school as the Russians found out.
The only way to defeat a person who believes they are fighting for GOD is to get them to GOD quickly. Stop blaming America for the bad things that happen to us. We did nothing to start this war, but most certainly will finish it.
Posted by: John at September 24, 2004 11:05 AM (qFiqn)
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Why dont the Islamic people speak up.
Or do they all go along with this beheading?
Irene
Posted by: Irene at September 24, 2004 12:26 PM (Pbs6a)
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the moslime peopel or de most horrible peopel dat is in de world en i hope dat de time his come dat whe does the same thing!!! this video mast go in de world round!
Posted by: leo at September 24, 2004 12:58 PM (fZdyI)
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I disagree with the Marine requesting that every American should watch this killings. As a trained marine, you have the fortitude to stand it much better than most soccer-moms. I believe all Americans should have ACCESS to the videos, and I sure would like everyone to see them for the reasons you state, but when people are talking about being psychologically ill after watching it, I don't think that watching the others is a good idea.
I was very disturbed after my first viewing of a beheading too. I didn't think I could watch another, but I did. Nightmares haven't occurred yet: I was afraid they would. But I'm dealing with it, with anger and disgust and resentment for those responsible (the terrorists, not Bush). They show these videos in the Muslim world and they rejoice. Ironically, the same presentations to me, and many others from what I gather on this blog, is that we're willing to risk more to bring an end to these animals.
Anyone who can behead two women hostages who were in Iraq BEFORE the war, working to lift UN sanctions and bring a better life to the Muslims in that country, all in the name of their Quran, obviously doesn't see the irony of what they're doing, and the negative results this is going to bring against their cause.
Posted by: DB at September 24, 2004 01:45 PM (vQTt9)
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Hey all, you guys want to help a brotha out??
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047301.php
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 24, 2004 02:29 PM (JQjhA)
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I don't even know where to start. I have not watched any of the beheadings until now. And now I am being plagued daily with images popping up in my mind of these men being senselessly killed in the name of Alah and any other reason they can come up with. The one consistent thing I have noticed with each killing is that none of the killers want their victims to look at them. In the cases of Jack Hensley and Armstrong, the veils they are wearing over their eyes come off, and you can clearly see the fear in their eyes as they look at their killers cutting their heads off...but these cowards quickly cover up their eyes again, they cannot stand to look at them while they kill them. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if you are going to stand there and proclaim in the name of your God, that these are infidels and that they deserve to die for their sins, that you would want them to watch you and you watch them? But no, I think these people know that they are not killing their true enemies, that these people are mere puppets in a holy war against our government, a government that is not going to release a few high profile people from prison to save a few civilians.
I really don't know much about these people, their religion and their convictions. But I a pretty damn sure of one thing...there is not a God anywhere that will condone the senseless killing of innocent people. Why don't these cowards go out and fight on the front lines, to take on who they really want to hurt, not hide behind masks and videos of helpless bound prisoners. I'm sure that they believe that if they participate in one of these killings that they will be saved and glorified by their God.
I have an idea. Why doesn't the government take every person that enters into the country of Iraq, whether civilian or military and tag them with a GPU chip, which would be under the skin somewhere on the body. (They are already proposing this on children here in the states). If they did this to all visiting civilian and military personnel, then they could track them down, right to the exact position of these fucking assholes. Then we should go in a make Abu Musab al Zarqawi tape himself beheading all of his henchmen and then we can imprison him in general population at a local prison and let the locals have there way with him.
I have one theory that is helping me sleep at night, with regards to the beheaded. I do believe that they are drugged. I feel that if they did have their complete wits about them, that regardless of any threats that their captures may make to them, if they do yell out during their speechÂ…they would yell out and plead or send a message of love to their families regardlessÂ…what do they have to loose, they are already going to loose their lives. ThatÂ’s my theory, and it helps me to know that they may be suffering during their execution, but not by muchÂ….I sure as hell hope.
Posted by: Kirk at September 24, 2004 03:38 PM (47nyl)
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I must admit, I am disgusted. But I take comfort in that fact that God will get revenge on these guys, whether in this life or in eternity. The bottom line is if these guys are not believers in Jesus Christ, they are going to spend all of eternity in the Lake of Fire in constant agony forever and ever and ever, and there will be weeping and knashing of teeth as our Jesus Christ says. God is a gracious God, but these guys are not gracious to others, so God will have to torment them, and there penalty is an eternal one.
Posted by: Noah Schmidt at September 24, 2004 03:52 PM (Pbs6a)
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Where and when will the killings stop in the name of religion?
Posted by: Gazea at September 24, 2004 03:56 PM (XgUg/)
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It breaks my heart and infuriates me to see what these "things" are doing to innocent people. To them, a dog, is something they hate to be called. Well, I think they are worse than dogs. I think they are very much like roaches. They hide, only coming out to do their disgusting deeds and then scurry back under their rocks and hide like cowards.
We must remember though that these monsters do not represent the Muslim people. They do not represent all of the Iraqi people either. They are a breed of something too disgusting to mention. As Americans we would not want other countries thinking that we are all like Charles Mansion. Hitler did not represent all Germans. It bothers me that Andrea posted a comment stating that we should kill all Muslims we see walking the streets. That is horrible and it would not make a difference. Those terrorists do not care one thing about human life. They prove that by what they do.
Zarquawi needs to be caught and photographed naked (since they are horrified of that) and then beheaded and the video should be shown worldwide.
We must be careful to put the blame where it belongs...on the terrorists...not the innocent people who came to this country to get away from monsters like that.
Robin
Posted by: Robin at September 24, 2004 04:03 PM (Gqjp7)
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Just a few general notes regarding virtually all postings on this page.
Only 2% of any population of people are born with a mental illness that will make them capable of feeling no-emotion when hurting another human being. This disease is commonly known as psychopathy (though this term is probably being phased out). You see, all human beings are born with an innate sense of empathy that culture has a difficult time overcoming. It turns out that NO-ONE likes to hurt another human being without cause, and it just so happens that their is generally a steep psychological cost for harming someone even with motive. This is even true of soilders. In a US Army study during WWII less than half of front line fighters actually fired their weapons. Don't believe me; refer to David Grossman's (Westpoint professor of psychology, career Army man) book "On Killing." The army found that through better training techniques the number of men firing their rifles surpased 50 percent during the Korean war; in the Vietnam conflict over 70%. True to the idea that only a sickly 2% of people can kill without psychological harm, each of these wars saw a progressively higher, and quite problematic incidence of with post traumatic stress disorder among psychologically normal veterens.
My sub-point is, religion when tweaked certain ways may lesson the guilt of killing, but it does not create killers because it takes so much and is so costly to kill another human. What does inspire systematic murder is a population with a strong community fiber that endures grievences, or a military that is classically conditioned (like ours) to kill.
Now, consider the following from the Washington Post:
"There has been terrorism in the world, more or less nonstop, since 12th
century Syria, when a persecuted Persian religious sect called the
Assassins knifed people to death in crowds. Terrorism has persisted
bedcdause terrorism works. It makes people crazy. It is a cost-effective
method of waging psychological war by those who see themselves outnumbered
or disenfranchised.
A disenfranchised minority cannot sack Rome, conquer Nanking, burn Atlanta
or firebomb Dresden. These acts are terror attacks by nations, military
sieges with the primary goal of sowing despair among the enemy and
weakening their goal to resist. A disenfranchised people- wheather
Palestinians in the Middle East, or Catholics in Northern Ireland, or
Islamic zealots who see the spread of Western culture as an assult on
their religion- will use the means at their disposal. Amoral though it
may be, terrorism succeeds in focusing attention on whatever cause its
practitioners espouse."
Consider the implications of "use whatever means at their disposal." These men chose barbaric means because they were at their disposal and effective in gathering attention. This is a war, I'm sure they would've chosen a MOAB like so many on this page seem to favor, if they were so disposed. A captured terrorist in the movie the "Battle of Algiers" puts it nicely when asked by a military tribunal how he can live with himself for planning bombings of cafes, using women who carry bombs in wicker baskets "Ahhhh. I'm very sorry to have offended your people with the manner in which my resistence movement attacked. We can make a deal: you give us your airplanes, and we'll give you our wicker baskets."
In concurrence with my first point that these men are not out of their minds so much as they are driven by religion, grievences, their like minded comrades; and also remembering they don't have the "civilized" means to wage a war (a standing army, tanks, etc), my final point is that terrorists are regular people driven to the edge. Consider Arnold's posting on Sept. 22. I'm sure Arnold is a normal guy, with reasonable religious and political beliefs, yet he is whipped into a fervor when someone he doesn't know but is tied to through country and religion is murdered. This inspires Arnold (and many more of you on this page) to write in hope of some murderous and sadistic retribution to the entire population of the second largest religious community in the world... Kinda sounds like muslim extremist bombast if you extrapolate just a few names doesn't it?
Posted by: Luc Dawg at September 24, 2004 05:57 PM (g8b2m)
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And you guys aren't the 2%'er's are you?!!
Posted by: Lue Dawg at September 24, 2004 06:01 PM (g8b2m)
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Not me Lue, but I did hear some encouraging news from one of our Army higherups. He said we know al-Zarqawi is behind these killings, and we are going to find him and systematically destroy him and his terrorist organization as soon as possible. That was good news to me. Those killings just reinforced to me that we need to win this war on terror, and to be thankfull for the troops who have put themselves in harms way in the defense of our country.
Posted by: Noah Schmidt at September 24, 2004 06:54 PM (Pbs6a)
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My stomach turns, my heart breaks into a thousand more pieces with each murder. These animals MUST be stopped..they Will be stopped..sooner or later they will be found.
Why don't the Muslims in the USA start screaming for them to stop and take our side vocally? That is what bothers me the most. Everyone gets upset because some Iraqi prisoners were naked with panties on their heads....but this...no one cries out. And I was just reading about the torture and rape of the many teen girls in that Russian School...Putin needs to declare war on these terrorists also..."whereever they are..whoever harbors them ..we will find you and hunt you down. That should be the battlecry of every nation that these thugs have wrought havoc on.
Posted by: gage at September 24, 2004 07:36 PM (jrkB8)
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If the government can't stop these sick son of bitches then maybe they can hire some BOUNTY HUNTERS with our taxdollars to do the same shit to them!
Posted by: masteranchor at September 24, 2004 08:13 PM (PT6hH)
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Yes, a lot of killing and torture has happened 'in the name of god' (notice the small 'g'), when one's 'god' is really one's own personal interests.
But how many nations have gotten involved in the affairs of other countries for the purpose of FREEING their people from oppression, dictatorship and murderous regimes? Precious few, and by far the most frequent has been our own country, the United States of America. Have we made some mistakes? Sure - anyone out there who can honestly say they HAVEN'T? Has our help ALWAYS had the intended effect? Looking at Viet Nam and Bosnia, guess not. But my question is, if WE (the USA) don't stand up for people who are oppressed, whatever the cost, WHO will pick up the banner? Does anyone out there REALLY believe the lies that our involvement in Iraq is 'just for the oil', or that 'Halliburton didn't have enough business' or some other political fabrication that left-wing extremists are trying to chant until we finally go into a trance or something like that? The USA has done more GOOD things for more unfortunate nations around the world than the UN and all other countries COMBINED have ever thought about doing, (check the record) but there are some people whose only motivation is political gain & self-promotion who seem to think that their life's purpose is to run down, weaken and verbally berate this country and everyone in it who doesn't agree with THEM, starting with any 'principled' leader that serves in its government. To those people, I can only say, 'You can start thanking GOD now (the REAL, live, LOVING GOD that is) that you are in a country that even ALLOWS you to say what you say, and thank the Americans who were willing to die to afford you that privilege, their ingenuity which made it possible for you to post your complaints on the internet and countless other mediums, and the goodness GOD has put in the hearts of our leaders, who have freed literally MILLIONS of oppressed people around the world from ruthless, vicious dictators (who take PLEASURE in things like beheadings), and remember also that the Afghani and Iraqi people are RIGHT NOW thanking America for giving THEM a shot at some of what we so blithely take for granted' (warts and all).
If you agree with the aforesaid, you know why - if you don't and are getting ready to 'flame' me 'cuz you disagree - thank you for making my point!
Thanks for taking a few moments of your time to read this. I remain a proud and grateful American, who loves his country, and is proud of its heritage, and its foundation of goodness to others and freedom for all. And I also remain MORE resolved and committed to the defeat of terrorists worldwide than ever, whether they wear the title of 'President' (like Hussein), or 'insurgent' (like Zarkhawi). To me, no matter what his station in life, a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, and if their intent is malicious toward ANY innocent human being, they NEED to be brought to justice, whether it be in a court, at the barrel of an M16, or the result of an airstrike! Those whose blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life has made them do things like Hussein & his family did, and what these snivelling, sneaking, black-garbed COWARDS are doing don't deserve to live in this world, and since they proclaim to be so willing to 'die for their god', I think our brave military needs to help 'arrange the meeting', as Gen. Schwartzkoff once said . . .
Thanks for taking a few moments of your time to read this. I remain a proud and grateful American, who loves his country, and is proud of its heritage, and its foundation of goodness to others and freedom for all. And I also remain MORE resolved and committed to the defeat of terrorists worldwide than ever, whether they wear the title of 'President' (like Hussein), or 'insurgent' (like Zarkhawi). To me, no matter what his station in life, a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, and if their intent is malicious toward ANY innocent human being, they NEED to be brought to justice, whether it be in a court, at the barrel of an M16, or the result of an airstrike! Those whose blatant disregard for the sanctity of human life has made them do things like Hussein & his family did, and what these snivelling, sneaking, black-garbed COWARDS are doing don't deserve to live in this world, and since they proclaim to be so willing to 'die for their god', I think our brave military needs to help 'arrange the meeting', as Gen. Schwartzkoff once said . . .Posted by: TerminalReminder at September 24, 2004 09:22 PM (dUD2Y)
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I just wrote a check for the Sara Hensley fund. I hope that you all did the same. Every buck is important. Do it for Jack.
Nobody deserves to die like this...
Posted by: Tania at September 24, 2004 09:34 PM (jkD+j)
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Perhaps the reason the hostages don't fight is that they fear an even worse death than beheading if they did. You notice as horrible a death as the beheading is, it is over fairly quickly (thank God).
Posted by: patriot at September 24, 2004 09:43 PM (zUVpQ)
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[QUOTE}If the government can't stop these sick son of bitches then maybe they can hire some BOUNTY HUNTERS with our tax dollars too do the same shit to them!
Posted by: masteranchor at September 24, 2004 08:13 PM
The government can trace these monsters because the videos are first appearing on Islamic websites. The cold, hard fact is, they donÂ’t want to. (Not yet anyways) I'm sorry to say it but I think we all know that its true. Example: How is it that every time a major computer virus released upon the web that cripples cpu's everywhere and costs businesses millions of dollars only takes a week to trace all the way back to the originating ip address it came from? That ip ends up being linked to some kid who is an I.T. student in Malaysia or Michigan or wherever. I believe the last one only took a whole week to trace, and that was after having to sort and backtrack through millions of ip's to find the originator.
Fact: Each website has an IP that never changes. Day in, day out, it stays the same. They know the website addresses that these monsters post their vile videos to. What's so difficult about linking the websiteÂ’s IP address to it's owner? NOTHING! If you were to make a threat on the presidentÂ’s life inside this blog, WHICH I AM MOST CERTAINLY NOT so dont come knocking my door down in the a.m., how long do you think it would take the secret service to be at your front door to interrogate the hell out of you? Would you need to post your name, address, phone number in the threat for them to find you? No, of course not. They would find you through your IP and get your personal info through your internet service provider who assigned you that IP address.
So, you might be asking, why don’t they go get these terrorists if they're so easily traceable? Because the U.S knows, but they won’t state publicly, that MOST, and I do mean MOST, middle easterners absolutely hate Americans. Take a look at photos of buildings in Iran with murals of burning US flags painted on the side of them. Read the writing on the side of their rocket launchers (they actually print it in English so we can clearly read their hate) One I saw the other day said, "We will crush America under our feet." Nice huh? Is that hate limited to Iran? YEAH RIGHT! It is alive and well in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia— Do I really need to go on listing and citing because there are many more? Middle Easterners have been spoon-fed hate propaganda by their own government towards the United States for their entire lives. They truly believe we are the white devil from the west. They (middle eastern governments) oppress their own people financially but build them up spiritually. To counter civilian jealousy of Americans appearing so happy and living so prosperously, they condemn our lifestyles and morals and preach of how NONE of us will ever see the gates of heaven. Why do you think it is so hard to get Bin Laden even with the GIGANTIC bounty on his head? They don’t want the “Devils” money. They truly believe the spiritual propaganda that has been pumped into them by their leaders regarding The West.
These terrorist monsters are those peopleÂ’s heros. The terrorists proclaim Jihad and murder in the name of Allah, but more and more, I am starting to believe they murder for celebrity and nothing more. If the terrorists were not being supported by the people of Iraq and all surrounding countries, how on earth would they be able to function freely without being turned in by their neighbors and the people of their communities. If a crack dealer moved in next door to me, I would report his activities to the authorities. Why? Because I am not a drug addict and I refuse to support anyone who either deals or uses illegal drugs in my neighborhood. Get my drift. These terrorists have plenty of support from ALL of their neighbors.
Unfortunately, if we kill Zarqawi and his band of thugs now, it would undoubtedly incite even more violence in the streets of Iraq and elsewhere in retaliation. Remember, on that side of the world, there will always be someone to take the place of the barbaric void left by whoever the people believed to be a martyr. That would just leave us with someone else to have to deal with. For the U.S. and Britain, the murdering of civilians by these barbarians is a simple game of numbers: Collateral damage. IÂ’m not saying that our government isnÂ’t infuriated by these acts and that they wonÂ’t eventually kill these monsters, but I truly believe they will do it when the job in Iraq is done and the soldiers are on their way back home. Killing them now would only further the risk of the lives of our soldiers because heavy and constant retaliation from these animalÂ’s supporters, which is obviously a large number because, as usual with that side of the world, no one is willing to turn in their terrorist neighbor, would ensue.
Whether it is sooner or later, these scumbags will be dealt with by our government. Those innocent contractors unnecessary murder will be avenged. R.I.P. my friends. I personally will never forget you and what you had to endure.
Good luck coalition soldiers and may God protect you and our contractors. Come home soon.
Regards,
C.H.
Posted by: Chris at September 25, 2004 12:30 AM (Vs3h7)
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How can anyone hate so much that it would allow them to do this to another human being.
I don't get it. Don't these people have families? Do they even know what it feels like to love someone? If, their lives have been so destitute why hasn't it taught them compassion and/or empathy. Don't they want to live happy peaceful lives with their love ones?
I can almost understand psychopaths and why they do what they do without any remorse or feelings. Psychopaths usually commit their crimes alone and at times you might find 2 to 3 nuts jobs committing brutal crimes together. The people committing these horrendous brutal murders are in groups of 5 to 6 people. These people are not psychopaths ... it goes way beyond that.
We are all human beings. What could possibly make these people commit so heartless. What is it that makes the majority of people in our type of society seem so much more loving and compassionate? You would think people that live the way most Americans live would be more self-centered and less caring...but it isn't the case.
These people must be brainwashed, drugged, threatened, something...to partipate and brutally behead innocent people...and, some pleading for there lives.
I wonder if these people, their families, and generations of children being taught of such hatred, since birth, can ever be rehabilitated to a point where they could actually live in any kind of civil society governed by rules,laws, and punishment!
I was all for this war but I wonder can we ever succeed at ever bringing peace and civilization to a country with so many people with minds this warped and so far gone.
Posted by: Coleen at September 25, 2004 03:54 AM (ECpTt)
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Well, to begin with, we're dealing with a third world mentality here. They're ignorant! I'm not talking about ignorance in the sense of technology, but ignorance of civilized thinking. These people are really nothing more than primatives who have been given modern day toys with which to reek their destruction. From their religion, and hence from their elders, they have been taught all their lives that life has nothing for them and their only reward is in death. Life is cheap to them.
I think we did a great job, militarily, of going into Iraq. In fact never before was such a war fought with so few casualties and such precision. I think where we've failed since is we are too nice! We should have established martial law, brought in enough troops to secure the borders, and went house to house capturing and confiscating all weapons. We should have established strict curfews and anyone seen or caught with a weapon should have been shot on sight! By doing this I believe we would have had a lot less terrorists actions and violence to deal with, and could have set about rebuilding the country a lot quicker, with a lot less hassle, and expense. I beleive it also would have given Iraq a better chance to hire, train, and develope it's own police and military forces.
I also think they need to start some serious educational programs, in their schools and in their homes to teach more civilized thinking and premote love of life and living.
When the WORLD population finally becomes good and sick of terrorists and terrorism, then it will be erradicated. Currently, with the way we and others nicely dance around it, it will only be a series of one attack after another for sometime to come unfortunately.
Posted by: just another opinion at September 25, 2004 07:53 AM (p/M0E)
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Your responses make me laugh. Most of you are no better than the ones killing, beheading and torturing innocents in Iraq.
Seeking revenge upon Muslims? Please! How is that different from seeking revenge upon innocent Americans for what the American troops are doing to your country? (if someone bombs your house and kills your wife and children, you simply do not CARE what their political agenda is, you simply start HATING them with a passion)
If this is the typical Bush voter's opinion, the rest of the world was needlessly afraid. I'd be surprised if they all find their way to the voting office without help.
The answer, you say, is more hatred? More aggression? More suffering? You have learned nothing over the centuries, humanity. Christ has tried to teach you, Buddha has tried to teach you, Muhammed has tried to teach you, even Ghandi has tried to teach you, and you have not learned. Perhaps, this is your just reward. People killing people like animals, with no regard for life whatsoever.
Posted by: Eurosteph at September 25, 2004 08:48 AM (RwgyM)
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After seeing these murders, and alot more, it's plain to see humans are a plague on this planet.
I've read a few times in this forum comparing them to animals......animals don't do that shit to each other.
I'm ashamed of what we are capable of doing....we all need to be wiped out
Posted by: Subrosa at September 25, 2004 10:43 AM (x1RYm)
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Get the troops out and nuke the fucking lot of them.
Posted by: Mike at September 25, 2004 12:56 PM (TXulq)
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What can we do about the muslim world:
"NUKE IT & PAVE IT"
Posted by: Emma at September 25, 2004 01:09 PM (kQdG0)
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This is where we go wrong, ignorance of other cultures and not accepting anything but us, we are not the only one on this planet, because we are powerfull it dosnt mean that our way is the way.
Posted by: Emad at September 25, 2004 02:21 PM (fw30e)
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Lets all just pray for Kenneth Now! I will be every night untill he is released
Posted by: Allan Woodward UK at September 25, 2004 06:09 PM (iCbxX)
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You brainwashed Bush supporters are truly INSANE!! I'm sooo sick of hearing about how Bush is fighting this war, and how much courage he has. Bush isn't fighting shit!!! Our soldiers are fighting... and dying, while this dimwit plays golf and makes speeches. Until I see him fighting with his troops he sent to die, I have no respect for him!
Posted by: unbrainwashed at September 26, 2004 02:58 AM (0azlE)
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lets kill all islam, start killing e'm all over the world!
halleluyah!
Posted by: fuckiraq at September 26, 2004 09:18 AM (sVi48)
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I`m muslim and hate terror, killing innocent people and at the other side to be under military occupation.
My questions:
1- Why USA sent its army to Iraq? is it because of mass distruction weapons? where are they???
2- Let us have a look at the action before evaluating the reaction. Look at Abu-Ghraib and ask if the iraqi society loves USA or not.
3- How many people in iraq have been killed since the occupation of iraq? more than 15000 people.
Posted by: nasser at September 26, 2004 04:34 PM (uhM6h)
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Ok, I think this is all bullshit, I'm REALLY not into politics, in fact I just about despise it, but I still think that this is wrong.
I'm not a bush fan, nor am I a kerry fan, (I am too young for that stuff anyways.)It's not Bush's fault.
These people did this to piss us off, and they succeeded...
I think we should just nuke them....we can live with a hole in the world.
I don't agree with them beheading these INNOCENT men and women if the reports are right.
I say we break a long-neck bottle, and cut THEIR heads off, and then broadcast it on the internet.
These Bastards deserve to freaking DIE A SLOW PAINFUL DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this Allah shit, wtf is this?
Allah is the god of peace?????
Is beheading people peaceful?
I just thought I'd put my 2 cent's in.
You needn't agree with me, I don't care if you agree or not...I'm stating my opinion.
Posted by: Tim R. at September 27, 2004 01:10 AM (RC+V7)
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Just saw the videos and why does this happen on this green earth we live in.
Im in the UK and to think this goes on is a hard image to shift.
PLEASE GOD DON'T LET THIS CARRY ON...
NOBODY DESERVES THIS..
Y..
JW
Posted by: John Wright at September 27, 2004 01:16 AM (n+GES)
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In response to Nasser who posted:
I`m muslim and hate terror, killing innocent people and at the other side to be under military occupation.
My questions:
1- Why USA sent its army to Iraq? is it because of mass distruction weapons? where are they???
How many of you have blindly followed the radicals of your countries and religions and then helped hide the weapons that Iraq was developing?
2- Let us have a look at the action before evaluating the reaction. Look at Abu-Ghraib and ask if the iraqi society loves USA or not.
Who cares if you love us or not? Bush promised the Iraqi people that once Saddam was deposed - he would not leave them to the tender mercies of the remaining muslim terrorists. Bush, if nothing else is a man of his word!
3- How many people in iraq have been killed since the occupation of iraq? more than 15000 people.
How many of those 15000 killed were a result of their own country's religious terrorists?
This killing and then advertising the deaths is an abomination.
Personally, I thought they should have blown that sand pit to smithereens the first time we were there - we would not be having this problem now.
My father fought for his country. He feels just as strongly about this war - and I agree with him.
My prayers go out to all the families of the terror victims.
Posted by: Mel at September 27, 2004 01:27 AM (RC+V7)
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I have not viewed any of the videos of American hostages being beheaded. I did watch, out of morbid curiosity, the video which showed a Nepalese prisoner meeting that fate. How I wish I hadn't...I lost sleep several nights afterwards, imagining what was going through these mens' minds in the final moments. Imagining how I could go on with life if that was my son. All I can say now is that we MUST stay the course; to back out of our commitments in Iraq at this point is conceding defeat to these terrorists. I didn't agree with Bush's decision to go to war with Iraq in the first place; I thought our efforts were better spent rooting out Bin Laden. But now that we've come this far I firmly believe we've no choice but to continue until there is some manner of stability in the region...and of course until these terrorists, every one of them, are eliminated.
I'm intrigued by the suggestion that these cowards are suffering from a third world mentality. It does make sense - no one who has any regard for life, including their own, could do this; therefore they must perceive their own lives as so worthless that they believe everyone's is. I have to admit, though, I prefer the psychopath theory...and I really believe it to be the more accurate one. These are unspeakable acts and while it may be true that these things have gone on for centuries, the technology that now brings it into my living room renders me unable to accept it as a fact of life. I will fervently support Bush when he refers to these men as "evil" because that's what they are. I also know they will get theirs in the end. It may be wrong of me to say this, but I hope they see it coming.
Posted by: BDH at September 27, 2004 10:52 PM (6nAA+)
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For what it's worth, I dug up an article on Clinton's anti-terrorism efforts. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/10/30/135644/95
I think it is wrong to politicize 9/11, and say it was one party's fault of the other. It was terrorists fault.
Posted by: Leo Greene at September 28, 2004 01:53 PM (Bm/33)
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I just watched the video of Jack Hensley...man, that was really unexpected. But then again, what did I expect, sunshine and lollypops? Absolutely brutal...GOD. I never saw any of the other ones, so I was jumping right into the deep end. That was, in no way, easy to watch. Every time it buffered, all you did was...wait...and wish it would just damn hurry. You visibly see gasping and wincing and the pain. Not just the pain in his eyes, but his heart, and therefore, the heart of myself. It will no longer be a regular day from now on. It has been seered into the inner cavitity of my brain, and it will only be forgotten, hopefully, after I pass. God bless U.S.
Posted by: The Independent Man at September 29, 2004 09:52 AM (hoo48)
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I just watched this video. I just can't believe it. What I can't believe even more is that our country allows this race of people here. Are we still the "melting pot"? i think we have enough ingredients in our soup. when will the little men in high places just go ahead and turn that part of the world into a giant sandbox? do these life forms really serve a purpose other than oil? i don't think so.
Posted by: jerome calia at September 29, 2004 06:02 PM (/dtuz)
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Omg I can't believe this, those videos are so terrifying and sad. I give out my thoughts and prayers for the 2 families of the Armstrongs & Hensleys may god rest their souls. They didn't deserve that at all and its bullshit what those bastards would do just to get their way. Nobody deserves to die over some dumb bullshit like that.
Posted by: sissy at September 29, 2004 07:04 PM (zM0Es)
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We have got ourselves in to deep to back out now. You have to believe in freedom. When the thoughts of how gruesome the videos are come to mind also remember 9/11. I wonder how many people got decapitated then? We will never know. It makes me sick to my stomach to look at these maggots. Bush needs to wrap a logging chain around there nuts and drag them across the desert on one of there on camels.
Posted by: Frankie at September 30, 2004 05:18 AM (U5oMn)
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After U.S. Armed Forces kill everyone of these terrorists, let us leave Southwest Asia forever. The world delights in the slaughter of Americans. A true believer praying to God, "O Allah Akbar" God is Great, as he beheads Americans! What a dirty lie. For a entity that claims not to eat pork it is clear that they are all pigs.
Let them go back to slaughtering women, babes and cutting each other heads off so they can play stick ball in the sand with them. Savages one and all.
Every terroritst should have his mouth crammed with putrid pork so that they will choke to death. Allah will not accept the unclean into Paradise.
Posted by: Clontarf at September 30, 2004 08:26 AM (OmjgX)
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Tony Blair is pretty much damned now. If Ken Bigley is beheaded his popularity will plummit as it will look like he did nothing. If Ken is released, which I suspect he will be. It will be no thanks to our Tony. It will be because the kidnappers and perhaps Alla decided to show they can be mercifull. Ken is a political plaything with one goal, to damage Tony Blairs standing in the public eye. i'm not a blair fan but we can't negotiate with these people. Give them an inch and many more heads will role. They've already got far to much publicity from the three americans murdered so far. I don't think we need to see any more videos of people getting their heads cut off. i personally don't need to see the videos because by doing so I am playing into the terrorists hands and helping them achieve their goal. They want you to watch. They need you to watch. And don't think the answer to all this is dropping more bombs.
Posted by: dave from Scotland at September 30, 2004 08:37 AM (rlqdl)
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I've had it and I am fed up. How much longer are we going to allow these terrorists to stay in business? It's time to just bomb the living shit out of them all.
The Iraqis are doing nothing - not one damn thing to stop this violence. They want their freedom, but they don't want to lift a finger to get it.
Political correctness - screw it! It's day has come and gone.
The people of this world should NOT have to live in fear. This is ridiculous. If the Iraqis aren't willing to snuff out these scum, then so be it. We'll have to bomb your country into oblivion to get rid of them.
I want to know where is the muslim outrage??? Where are the protests???? Has anybody witnessed any because I sure haven't. Their silence speaks volumes. They certainly know how to protest when they claim their civil rights are being violated.
I don't like them in my country either. I don't trust them - especially because of their silence. And I hate them because they treat their women like dirt. Shame on muslim women for allowing it. If you come into this country, then live the GOD given freedoms you have - otherwise go home!
Take your freakish ways elsewhere - they aren't wanted here. If you want to stay, then get off your asses and PROTEST against your brothers and sisters for the torture they continue to inflict on thousands around the world.
Oh - and FUC_ allah and the pork he rode in on!
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND EVERY ONE OF OUR SOLDIERS!
Posted by: Beth at September 30, 2004 06:14 PM (5iQdV)
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wake up america! everyone hates you and the way you strut around the world! no one likes these images but unfortunately you have brought it on yourselves with your arrogant attitudes......God bless America? Yeah right! wake up and smell some coffee. there is no God or Allah!
Posted by: dan at September 30, 2004 08:23 PM (0Z3VG)
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i can't take the so much brutality of the iraqui hostage takers. after i watched the video i don't think i could eat my dinner tonight.this is one of the circumstances the americans have to face because of their bully attitudes to the prisoners of war and they didn't treat them as humans but animals.
Posted by: jonathan b. montemayor at October 01, 2004 05:45 AM (pApzD)
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Give respect take respect. Learn to live like a humanbeing, Mr. Bush.
Posted by: Muni at October 01, 2004 12:40 PM (WcHHF)
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CAUSE ITS 1 2 3 4 WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR JUST ASK CAUSE I DO GIVE ADAME BUT THIS IS JUST LIKE VIETNAM... /////////// OH AND WHAT OIL, DO YOU FORGET WHAT WE HAVE IN ALASKA! AND AS FOR THOSE TERRORISTS COME OUT AND FIGHT LIKE MEN YOU FUCKEN BITCHES.. BUT I AGREE KILL THEM ALL THEN PAVE THE GROUND WALL TO WALL.
YOUR BROTHER
M. MARQUES
Posted by: INSANEVIPERHTFD at October 01, 2004 08:43 PM (L6qsc)
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just watching those horrible images reminded me that this is all the fault of George Bush. If he would not be so greedy for oil we could have avoided invading Iraq which at the time was no imminent threat but now is. This gave the US a debt or ressesion and made it more unsafe for us in our homeland. Im voting for Kerry without a doubt because more of the same bull is not gonna work. Please excuse my missplelins cus i am writing half hazardly . God Bless America
Posted by: krazzy at October 02, 2004 12:31 PM (97oXr)
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Its me again I just wanted to say that its rediculouse when people state they want freedom forIraq. Who gave us the right to say that they were not content with that regime just because we love democracy does not give us the right to change a soveirne countrys govorment. Democracy is not imposed upon a people because doing that is a contradiction. Stop listening to all the lies that George Bush tells u and vote for Kerry unless u r an idiot
Posted by: krazzy at October 02, 2004 12:38 PM (97oXr)
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mohammed raped his daughter
moslems are weak pussies
islam is a lie
allah mother was fucked by a horse
america will survive
freedom will prevail
death to terrorists and allah
Posted by: white at October 02, 2004 02:10 PM (xBR/H)
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god bleess us arm forces, death to terrorists
Posted by: banana at October 02, 2004 02:18 PM (xBR/H)
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I can hardly wait until Jehovah God steps in and puts an end to this terrible system of things. Daniel 2:44. Revelation 21:3&4.
Psalms 37:10&11. This system of things is a mess worldwide because we are living in the last days. All of this is supposed to happen just like the days of Noah as the bible says and no one took no note until the end came and swept them all away. 2 Timothy 3:1-7 1 John 5:19. Mathew 24:1-8. Psalms 83:18.
Posted by: Sherrie at October 03, 2004 03:15 AM (Zrj+y)
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Are you all on drugs?
As soon as we give in to the terrorists
it will become wold wide !
Look the men have to die so what
Islam and all other religons are just crap
"a compleate load of toss"
come on pepole grow up !
Just put all of the islam's on a remote desert island and drop 1 big ICBM NUKE Problem solved!
Posted by: Lee at October 03, 2004 08:24 AM (KbwIY)
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i think all iraqui and muslim paki country shud all be bombed they are all as bad as each other the sick paki bastards i personally think all muslims shud be put in iraq and we nuke the sjit hole! religous clense that u dirty wankers!!!
Posted by: anon. at October 03, 2004 02:24 PM (vS8lg)
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First of all, my sympathy to the families of the dead, may they rest in peace. All of those who have been killed were doing something that was helping the people of Iraq. I pray the ignorant bastards who perpetrated these heinous acts, burn in hell forever...
Secondly, I hope that bush loses the election by a landslide so that he doesn't get a chance to pull any crap like in the 2000 election. Bush and Cheney are both losers and the proof is Iraq. There has not been much good coming out of Iraq because the main architects of the Iraq policy did not plan for what would happen after the war was won.
They did not and have not secured the country. They allowed foreign interventionists to enter through, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Iran. They got Saddam (finally) but not his leadership and followers. The Baathists have not given up.
Surely some of the insurgents in Iraq are Iraqis, but many are not. They incite Iraqis and even force them to fight against the Americans. I blame Bush for allowing this to happen. He didn't put enough troops in Iraq to get the job done. They had enough manpower to protect the oil ministry building but not enough to protect the borders and prevent infiltration of these terrorists. Now more than 1050 American men and women are dead.
Many people on this blog have said that they want to "bomb Iraq into a parkinglot", to "kill all the ragheads, "nuke em," etc. The average Iraqi is not killing Americans. It is the Arab terrorists (from outside of Iraq) that are doing the majority of the killing. (Example: Al Zarqawi is Jordanian, not Iraqi)That is not to say that there aren't some Iraqis involved, but who is leading them?
I think that what has been happening in the last couple of days is the correct way to handle the situation. Sending in overwhelming force will drive out or kill the insurgents. Then let the Iraqi security forces take over from there. Of course you have to have them trained which is another failure of the Bush plan. (Bush bragged in the first debate with Kerry that they have been trained which is not true. (What, another lie? Not quite true, They have had 3 weeks of training...)
You are going to continue to see these terrible acts of barbarism (beheadings) until Iraq is secure and free of these Arab terrorists from outside of Iraq. Until Bush allows the military to go in and do what the military has to do to end this situation, the civilian abductions will continue and the soldiers will continue to be killed one or two at a time on a daily basis. I don't know why that hasn't happened. I would like Bush to explain why he is let this thing drag on and on. Maybe there is a profit to be made by keeping this going??? Halliburton, Bechtel??? Or maybe Bush is like his Dad and can't finish what he starts. At least George Senior didn't tell the military its business but when he did, he screwed up.
I don't believe that Kerry would do what some of you contend. I think he understands that you can't coddle these fanatics. I think he stand s a much better chance than George Bush of getting the Europeans to do there part in the fight against terrorism (All due respect to those countries already helping us in Iraq and Afghanistan) After all, it is in everyone's best interest to fight terrorism and particularly Al Qaeda.
While I think the French and the Germans were wrong to fight so hard against America, George Bush was also wrong to go into Iraq when he did. Afghanistan was the target and should have stayed the target. Now there is something of a mess in both places (again, very poor leadership by the Bush/Cheney administration) Where did these Arab fighters come from that are in Iraq? They came from Afghanistan in many cases, by way of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and Jordan.
There are not enough American troops to fight two wars and have a credible presence in the rest of the world as well. Now at the height of danger in North Korea what does Bush do? He starts yanking troops out of the South. He has exhausted the reserves and the National Guard, and enlistment numbers are way down for the NG. I wonder why...? These men and women join to protect the country, in their communities, not to be dragged away from their jobs that pay their bills or to be made to serve long tours of duty in foreign lands while their families do without at home. Both John Dean and John Kerry have a valid argument about a "back door draft"
Bush says he isn't for a draft. (I wonder if the election has anything to do with that?)
I think that Bush is lost and doesn't know what he needs to do. I don't know if Kerry will be any better but I have seen what Bush has to offer and I am not impressed at all. It is one thing to beat your chest and say "you are either with us or you're against us", but quite another to fight two wars and win. Now he is having to go to the UN and ask for help. After doing what he has done to drive off our usual allies, does he really think there will be any more help?
You can vote for whom ever you choose, and say whatever you'd like but I don't see how we can afford to have the Bush adminstration for four more years...
Posted by: rick at October 04, 2004 02:10 AM (uTBhi)
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It is so strange that people forget the past! No doubt killing innocent people is unacceptable and unjustifyble. However, what do you expect to see when you go into war against a nation?! How do you think the people of that nation will react to such occupation,which was not even accepted by most of the world?!
I have been seeing pictures and images of children and women being killed by airstrikes, supposed to hit the 'terrorists'! Yet, nobody cares!
Where is the justice?
We have been studying about history that any occupied nation has the full right to defend its country from the outsiders. Those who defended their lands were considered to be heros. Now they are considered to be terrorists!
Yes, Killing innocent people is disgusting and not accepted in any law or religion, but people forget whom the real murderer is.
The war started without a real justification, but based on speculations and lies. Yes Saddam deserved to be punished for his murderes against his people and other nations, but this was not the justification of the war.
The justification was basically a BIG LIE.
Wakeup people, and be fair in your judgments.
I feel sorry for the victimes of this barbaric war.
An amazed man!
Posted by: Amazed at October 04, 2004 11:34 AM (WcHHF)
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I am scared of all this hatred here. When will all this end? You are not better than terrorists. In the name of Jesus and Buddha you have to learn to forgive. Look at Tibet. These people was slauthered by chinese soldieres and they feel no hatred. A big yogi who was captured and tortured for years said that the chinese are his biggest friends! Why? Because they give him the possibility to learn patience with the so called enemies. Sure suffering is scaring and the time will come we all have to suffer. But you can just stop this circle in calm down, control your emotions and start to recognize that this is just a kind of dream.
Love to ALL living beeings,
OM MANI PEME HUNG
Posted by: karmapa at October 04, 2004 01:21 PM (o3Loz)
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About the videos (which I haven't watched): You know why our (the U.S.) government didn't/doesn't put footage of Osama's speeches on the news? It was so Osama couldn't potentially give secret signals/signs to terrorist cells around the world. Further, the terrorists film these horrible rituals because they WANT us to see them. By posting/displaying these videos, I pose that this site is giving aid to the terrorist cause. What you are doing is inexcusable negligence if not an act of treason to America.
Go rent the video 'Faces of Death IV' if watching people get snuffed turns you on...
Posted by: Leo at October 04, 2004 01:55 PM (Bm/33)
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Leo you make a very good point and it is one that others have expressed. By showing the actual videos and us seeing them it has the effect of demoralizing and causing fear in all westerners. We have a abhorrance to this method of execution. Even in the far east, this was and probably is still a fairly common method of execution. However the Far eastern practice is quite a bit more humane than the way it is done by these butchers. The Japanese for example make it very quick and clean with a sword that is razor sharp. There is none of this sawing and almost lust for causing suffering of the victim.
The people who are doing this are using this to cause fear and that is palpable in the comments made on this and other blogs. It is having the desired effect. However it is equally obvious that it is causing much hatred of the Islamic faith in general and in particular hatred of these terrorists. In the end they are not going to make the American Army or Coalition forces, if you will, withdraw from Iraq. Americans in particular become emboldened by such treachery. The more we are shown this, I believe, the stronger the response will be against it. This is evidenced by the recent attacks on Sammarah (SIC?)
To Amazed---
I think that you are mistaken. The people who are doing the beheadings (al-Zarkawi and al Qaeda) are not Iraqi nationals they are Arabs from Afghanistan, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran. They have infiltrated Iraq with the notion solely to kill westerners. If they cannot do it in Iraq then they will do it in almost any western country. They are raised to this purpose and have no qualms about killing because they are indoctrinated from a very early age and trained all of their lives to extinguish the life of all "non-believers." They place no value on human life, including your own.
I too am against the bloody war that kills innocent people. I was against going into Iraq when Bush decided to go and I am against the war now. I am glad that Saddam is paying the price for his crimes against humanity. But many others are paying for his crimes as well who had nothing to do with his cruel reign.
Posted by: Rick at October 04, 2004 07:51 PM (2LZy3)
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I understand your anger and frustrations Americans but you must think of the bigger picture. The whole world is watching you and some of your ideas are as extreme as the militants waging war against our ways. Have you ever stoped to think that you deserved the things that you get? Your country is run by a more and more seemingly imperialist regimen. you as a community never ask any questions of your "president" a man with supposedly terrific power, yet all you seem to do is invade other countries and kill the inhabitants for there oil and land. Which they have more of a right to then your country ever will. These ideas will be very hard for you to swallow but trust me I speak for the rest of the world and a great deal of them are very angry with your country. Have you ever thought about not starting wars for money? Your country is incredibly gifted with inventers, entertainers and strong people.
I would like to hear your views if youÂ’re not a closed minded arrogant person that thinks that they are the Giant Green Gods who are walking the earth with guns.
Posted by: Think Before YOU SPEAK at October 05, 2004 08:47 AM (wF/ha)
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I think that everyone of those sicks perverts should be, beheading infront of there familes, we should just kill them all and m,aybe this would stop but i know that we are a better country then that.... geroge bush has to go though he is doin anything for this... kill them all..........
Posted by: callie at October 06, 2004 03:31 PM (VeVbW)
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I think that everyone of those sicks perverts should be, beheading infront of there familes, we should just kill them all and m,aybe this would stop but i know that we are a better country then that.... geroge bush has to go,he is doin anything to help this... kill them all..........
Posted by: callie at October 06, 2004 03:31 PM (VeVbW)
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IDIOT
Posted by: karmapa at October 07, 2004 02:39 PM (g/NZF)
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I wish that it were those types of people that our troops are killing. Unfortunately, it seems to only be civilians who are getting hit. Why does it seem like we only encourage the rage in everything we do?
Posted by: nicole at October 08, 2004 10:31 AM (eg2qb)
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I think that saying our innocent civilians deserve to be beheaded in Iraq is a bit on the callous side, to say the least. If you took a moment to think about the types of people who posted on the site you would see the typos, see the ignorance, and realize that most of these people are what they seem. They are among the less informed, more ignorant stratum of the American society. Unfortunately we have a right wing, "religious" zealot in control of our country right now. And if you know anything about our politics here, or politics in general, you would know that politicians lie and they do not always do what the people want. Even in this so-called land of democracy.
You are right about the people who are currently in control of this country. They are egomaniacal bastards, looking only to line their pockets and serve their own personal interests. But I am here, I am in America, and I have seen the demonstrations against the war. Most people did not want to go there and the only reason that the majority of the supporters of the war ever supported it was because they honestly believed what their president told them. They believed that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and they were scared. The truth is George Bush took advantage of a crisis in this country to wage his pet war and there are a lot of people here who are very angry about this.
I hate the stereotypical American attitude of "we are the best." Its shit and I know it. It also blinds us as a people to the fact that every empire falls, and with that attitude we have become an empire. Someday our empire will fall and no one will see it coming. Then we will be the beggars in a world that we have taught to hate us. May the world have the mercy on us that this country never had on them. I am with you, but no innocents deserve torture.
Posted by: nicole at October 08, 2004 11:05 AM (eg2qb)
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These people lack the common value for life that we Americans have come to love. The only way to deal with these people is like the Jews have; if they take hostages and ask for the release of their prisoners, and they behead these prisoners after we do not comply, we should kill whoever they asked for in prison: publically. That way, they will not ask for any other releases because it will result in their death. The way that these suicide bombers work is also something we can learn from. If someone is willing to strap a bomb on themselves and walk into a bus and kill 200 women and children, what can we do to stop them? Do what isreal does...let it be known to anyone who does a suicide bombing that we will hunt down your family and your children and parents and the like and try them for your crime and kill them. Even as selfish as these people are, they would stop if they knew that their family would be killed instead of being paid. There is no right answer to this. These are not rational people so we can't deal with them rationally.
Posted by: Concerned at October 08, 2004 01:23 PM (JNB0L)
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What these Islamist fail to realize and learn lessons from, is the fact the humans in general will fight harder when faced with brutality and extreme acts of violence. The United States did not surrender as the Japanese had hoped after Pearl Harbor; The Russians did not surrender to Napoleon or to Hitler after both those dictators laid waste to the Russian countryside; the United States did not collapse because of 9/11; and the United States will most certainly not implode or change its policies because of some cowards who hide behind Allah's name to carry out their crimes against humanity. If these Islamist were serious about changing the political face of their respective countries, they would do so through methods similar to what Ghandi used in India. If their enemy (the West and the U.S.) resists them harder after each execution, maybe its time they try releasing the prisoners after making the point that they could have killed them if they desired. At the same time these Islamist should air videos of just who is really being killed by U.S. / U.K. bombs and bullets e.g., the children, women, and elderly. These acts of mercy and images of innocent deaths would start to win/affect the hearts and minds of the populace whose government these Islamists want to kick out of their holy lands. If anything, the Islamist should take a lesson from the North Vietnamese on how to manipulate the Will of People against their government and military and in effect defeat a super-power from within.
Posted by: CEN at October 08, 2004 04:16 PM (hoo48)
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death to america fuckers
Posted by: bid flish at October 08, 2004 04:47 PM (LiQSc)
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Any comments on the slaughter of iraqi civilians by US forces ? By some accounts it exceeds 10,000
(iraqbodycount.net) - far more horrific than these
beheadings.
Posted by: Pepe le pew at October 08, 2004 09:35 PM (b0Lp3)
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Most civilized people cherish life, whether
they worship Christ, Allah, Buddah, Mohhamed, or
whatever. But "all" religions have their "10%",
who claim to be ardent believers, in the light,
but then skulk around, in the dark, cultivating
their sickly perversions.
All who've faced death, whether in "conflicts",
or in declared wars, and have taken life, or had
to experience the bloody deaths, of their friends,
or comrads, at the hand of their "honorable"
enemies, are not "shamed" by their service. We
were soldiers, who, by the flip of a coin, or
shere luck, were the victors, not the victim.
We fought, using civilized rules of engagement,
even though, we too, had our "10%"ers. We didn't
take an non-combatant, tie his/her hands, behind
their back, blind-fold them, and then saw their
head off, while several "brave???" "men???" held
their helpless body down, justifying it as part
of a "holy jihad".
These "patriots" are shaming their own people,
their country, & the very religion they are
"killing for". You don't gain compassion, from
the peoples of the "World", by performing acts
of horrific barbarism, upon helpless victims,
chosen by random opportunity.
Just as children, during the early years of
American history, were brainwashed into believing
that the white race was superior, to other races,
the children of Pseudo-Islam (terrorists) are
being taught to die, & kill, praising a hateful
Allah, not how to live, with Allah as a Loving, & compassionate, God.
These "heroes" who like to stand in front of
cameras, & brutally murder innocent people, after
they've begged for their lives, in front of the
same cameras, are an elite group who can claim,
as their members, from the past:
Hitler, Jeffrey Dahlmer, Son of Sam, Bonnie
& Clyde, Al Capone, "Papa Doc", Vlad the
impaler, & other notable degenerates.
It's really a shame when history repeats itself,
and innocent people die, because a group thinks
that they can force the world to "do what they
demand", by using blackmail, coersion, murder, &
terror. Even a passive "victim" can turn on a
"bully", & find the opportunity to end his/her
torment, even if it means doing something that
they "normally" would never even think of.
Bush didn't start this "thing". Pseudo-Islamic
"gangsters", on board planes, with innocent Men,
Women, & Children, premeditatedly killed many
thousands of innocents, not caring that their
actions would be "addressed" with a vengeance.
Many millions have died for "Man's lack of
Humanity" towards his "Brother", during the
Worlds violent history, but "never" has terror
risen as the victor. Eventually, all who've tried
to terrorize the civilized world, have tasted the
gallows, or met their "god", at the hands of their
Victims.
I'm saddened about the children, who will die, due
to the stupidity of their parents, & those who
will die, at the hands of these same children,
unless they die by our hand.
"What a shame!".
Posted by: Erodoeht Retsul at October 09, 2004 02:34 PM (CN04A)
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These are sick acts and I can not believe anyone could do something like this. We need to get the contractors and soldiers out of Iraq. Our family memebers over there are being killed for no reason. I personally have two sons in Iraq @ this time and fear for them everyday.
Posted by: Edna at October 11, 2004 09:41 AM (XCz4x)
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These are sick acts and I can not believe anyone could do something like this. We need to get the contractors and soldiers out of Iraq. Our family memebers over there are being killed for no reason. I personally have two sons in Iraq @ this time and fear for them everyday.
Posted by: Edna at October 11, 2004 09:42 AM (XCz4x)
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These are sick acts and I can not believe anyone could do something like this. We need to get the contractors and soldiers out of Iraq. Our family members over there are being killed for no reason. I personally have two sons in Iraq @ this time and fear for them everyday.
Posted by: Edna at October 11, 2004 09:42 AM (XCz4x)
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Unfortunately, this has been going on for 1300 years. Islam has been at war with its neighbors ever since it was founded. That is what makes Islam different from any other religion. People talk about how terrible the Crusades were while forgetting (or never thinking about) why they started.
When the first crusade was declared it was in response to the defeat of a Byzantine army by Moslem invaders who were attacking Christian Byzantium. At that time there was a Muslim army in Italy and a Muslim army in Spain. The Crusades were just opening another front in a war that was already 300 years old, taking the fight to the enemy after they had launched repeated attacks. The Crusades actually worked, they took the steam out of Muslim attacks and ulimately alowed the establishment of stable borders.
Though it took another 400 years to throw the last Muslims out of Spain, the war has never really ended. Just look around the world. Muslim insurgents in the Philipines, in Indonesia, in Chechneya(ok so I can't spell it), in Kasmir. Muslim governments oppress minorities through armed millitias in Sudan, in Nigeria. 1000 years of conflict in the Balkans. And the on going supression of any religious minority in any country with a Muslim government. Islam has been at war with very other religion it has met since its founding. Even if you don't believe in religion, this is a religious war. The only choices are worship allah or fight. We do not have to become barbarians ourselves, but we must stand very firm and make it clear to the Muslims that any attack on the west will cost them more than they gain. That is a fundamental requirement for the continued existence of the freedoms we take for granted because those freedoms do not exist under Islam. That is why I will be voting for George Bush, he understands that essential requirement for the continued existence for this society and the western world. John Kerry does not understand. If our society fails to continue to exist, all the other issues are irrelevant.
Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2004 09:03 PM (QgvFO)
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THESE PANZEES WILL DYE IN THE END NUKE THE FUCKERS OR IF WE GET NEAR ENOUGH TO THEM TO CAPTURE THEM I WOULD BURN THE BASTARDS AND WATCH THEM SCREAM LIKE A BABY C HOW IT FEELS U WANKERS YEPEE KY A MOTHER FUCKER
Posted by: will willard at October 13, 2004 02:41 PM (fYY0z)
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Just drop a bomb on the whole middle east part of the world. That'll get rid of those shit eatin, head sawin', woman hatin' sand niggers. They are the scum of the earth and have no purpose to live. Actually, those jihad fuckers do not deserve to live. If those terrorists are caught by the US, I hope the americans will cut their heads off and video tape it. How bout that you brown bastards! WHAT? WHAT! FUCK TAWHID! FUCK JIHAD! YOU ALL STINK AND PROBABLY FUCK EACH OTHER UP THE ASSES. FUCK YOUR ALLAH CRAPBAR OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU TAUNT ABOUT. FUCK YOU SAND NIGGER TERRORISTS.
Posted by: Budman at October 13, 2004 06:38 PM (sNYrZ)
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THE LOGIC ON THIS BLOG IS CRAP.
The majority say that we should nuke the entire country, but the reason we (US, GB, Australia) have gone in there is to remove WMD's (nope not a reason anymore, next one), to get the leader (got him now) who supports Al Quaeda (no, not that anymore either).
So here's the deal, based on cutting losses and logic. Why kill more iraqi's and american soldiers and contractors through a nuke bomb? If I had the choice of being nuked or left with a tyrant leader, I would choose the tyrant leader any day.
So to save the most amount of american lives which is what seems to be the most important thing to most bloggers here, the answer is simple, we should leave them to tyranny (you know, like they had it before but without the air strikes and faggot US soldiers who like to molest young boys at Abu Ghraib.
If you guys hate this people group so much, do them a favourleave them to their tyrant and spend more money on protecting your borders and ousting Muslims with red-neck McCarthy-ism back in the US.
Posted by: Mike at October 14, 2004 09:33 AM (Tf939)
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Oh yeah, and before you post another stupid and uninformed comment on the morality of the US invasion, read this:
http://www.soaw.org/
Posted by: Mike at October 14, 2004 09:54 AM (Tf939)
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How on 'earth' can another human being taketh the life of another in such gruesome act (in the day) and then eat and sleep at night. This is a sick world were (unfortunetly)living in hence, Americans and people of the world, better take heed to the 'creeping' catastrophy and stop living in a 'bubble'. Life is first everything else, is second.
Posted by: Dean at October 20, 2004 11:54 AM (7Fsbw)
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This is so sick! These people are not human in anyway!!! I hope we catch these creeps cause they dont deserve to live for such a crime!! I feel for the families of these victims . These pictures and video have gotten me pretty emotional! Very sad.........
Posted by: Keri at October 22, 2004 01:46 PM (ljABt)
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Its sad how god created these sick bastards. I give all my thoughts and prayers out to all those families who lost a loved one in this gruesome tragity. How could god create such sick and heartless human beings. These sons of a bitches deserve to die for taking the lives of such innocent people. We just need to nuke these fuckers and hope they die as painful and slowly as possible. I can't even begin to imagine how painful that was for those innocent people, I don't want to imagine and it scares me for the safety of my family. I don't out of Kerry or Bush who would be better but neither one makes me feel comfortable, I just have this weird feeling about them both. But I'm for whoever gets it I guess, I just hope to god that whoever does get it can put a end to all this and bring those soldiers home to their families safetly.
Posted by: Woulditmatter? at October 27, 2004 02:57 AM (qRjGy)
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I PRAY FOR PRACE IN ALL AREAS
Posted by: CLAIRE DIFFLEY at October 28, 2004 09:58 AM (oSpj6)
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Wir sollten in den Irak gehen. Mit einer gut geruesteten Truppe und Haus fuer Haus und Mann fuer Mann umkrempeln. Die Terroristen und die, die sie unterstuetzen werden lernen uns zu fuerchten.
Wir brauchen Geld,Waffen und tapfere Maenner und Frauen!
Wer wohlhabend ist, soll unseren Kampf unterstuetzen!
Posted by: Capt.Scott at October 28, 2004 12:16 PM (GRsJ6)
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GOD BLESS AMERICA.
WE ALL MUST UNITE, WERE AMERICANS.
LETS GET BACK TO THE POST 9/11 MIND FRAME WHERE IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT WE PERSONALLY CARED ABOUT, AND LETS START THINKING ABOUT EACHOTHER FOR A CHANGE. OUR GREAT COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON GODLY PRINCIPLES, AND AFTER 9/11 FOR A SHORT TIME WE REVERTED BACK TO THOSE PRINCIPLES. WE CARED ABOUT EACHOTHER, MORE THAN WE CARED ABOUT OURSELVES. OUR WHOLE HEART WENT OUT TO THE VICTUMS OF 9/11. NOW WE ARE OVER FREEKING FIGHTING IN IRAQ. I DON'T FREEKING KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE THERE OR NOT, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. OUR TROOPS ARE OVER THERE, AND MOST OF THEM BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RIGHT. IF THEY KNEW WE WERE BACK HERE BITCHING ABOUT HOW WE DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE THERE, OR THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THEM, AND WE PUT ON RALLY TO SAY GET THEM OUT. THERE MORAL IS GOING TO GO TO SHIT. DON'T GET ME WRONG I HATE WAR, I HATE PEOPLE DYING. BUT WHATS WORSE FOR THOSE THAT DIE IS FOR WHEREEVER THEY GO AFTER DEATH WEATHER IT BE HEAVEN OR WHATEVER YOUR BELIEFE IF THEY WERE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE PEOPLE THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP FREE "WETHER YOU BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG" HOW HORRIBLE THEY MUST FEEL. GOD BLESS AMERICA. GOD BLESS OUR TROUPS, KEEP THEM SAFE, AND BRING OUR BOYS HOME, AND STOP THE FREEKING KILLING.
Posted by: Dan at October 29, 2004 07:16 PM (uZPSG)
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How can you do this to a human soul? You are not human if you are able to do this. It fills one with rage and anger that causes individuals to rebel. Now how do you know you are living in a safe world anymore? It tells you that you can not bring up a family without worrying about them every second. No matter how bad humans can be, NO ONE deserves such fate. A stupid method used to scare people. Action needs to be taken and fast, something isn't right and something must be done to NOW if we are ever going to stop such actions fro taking place. By the way ALLAH means God. Now for all those people that say fuck ALLAH watch your mouth! Don't be ignorant and abuse your own God.
Posted by: MikeStar at November 08, 2004 05:57 AM (wVf1a)
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I agree with MikeStar, be in the know before you speak. These 'be headings' are like taken from a movie or a game. What they hell is wrong with these people? Bloody people! Any one normal in this world?
Posted by: Megan at November 14, 2004 07:27 AM (wVf1a)
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I used to go out with a sand nigger from Afghanistan pre 9-11, and he told me his family hated me because I wasn't muslim.They are full of hate.Islam should be outlawed!All you Islamic creeps on here posting complaining about how it's unfair for you guys etc. need to shut the fuck up. You guys are worse than the KKK or Bush. If not then why don't you guys speak out and prove you are a group of peaceful people.Why aren't muslim leaders doing anything about this crap?? The U.S. needs to stop being so reasonable and start electrocuting these terrorists. Fuck Allah and Islam.
Posted by: layla at November 14, 2004 09:54 PM (wrQD+)
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lets behead them and show the show and eye for and eye once one has seen the beheading of americans the damage is done to our souls they drew frist blood.lets kill them all they will kill us if we dont act now
Posted by: jack ward at November 25, 2004 03:04 PM (KR8du)
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the only good muslim is a dead muslim they are taking over all the stores in the coutry. they are the sleeping cells waiting for big one think about it wake up america and fuck you kerry you fucking trader
Posted by: jack ward at November 26, 2004 09:35 PM (3T6rw)
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the only good muslim is a dead muslim let them all burn in there oil
Posted by: jack ward at November 26, 2004 09:44 PM (3T6rw)
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I live on the other side of the pond but i fully feel your pain.These people are scum.They deserve a lifetime of pain.The principels on which this war is based on may not be right but i want to let you know that most people in Ireland fully support any actions your troops carry out on terrorists providing they are terrorists and not innocent civilians.We in Ireland know only too well what it feels like to be stabbed at the heart of our nation by a hidden foe.END THIS SENSELESS BLOODLETTING NOW!!!!for all our sakes.
Posted by: john at November 27, 2004 10:20 AM (16iqa)
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May God bless Afghanistan, but, not in the least bit it's leaders!!!!! They deserve all the torture and pain and suffering that they have bestowed upon the world, but that is not something we can do. In light of this fact, I say God, do not bless them, but show them your light. Let them have their second chance, but let that be the last chance as well.
Posted by: J at December 04, 2004 07:47 PM (qe5aD)
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Good bless America and all those who support it!
These terrorists are animals, they have no value for human life - on top of that they are RACIST, they hate verything called a non-muslim (or in their cas a non-believer).
after seeing some pictures and a video, it sickend me to see how governments and Seach engines allow people to post links of this nature - BUT IT DOES REVEAL THE REAL TRUTH.
if i had a gun, i would not hesitate to go and kill evey single one of those pigs in the world, or even better torture them and cut off their heads.
how is it possible that they can even pray before doing something like this and take pride in it.
AMERICA LIVE 4 EVER AND PROVAIL OVER THIS EVIL ON EARTH. AMEN!
Posted by: T at December 11, 2004 06:49 AM (PZUDE)
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when bush finaly gets captured the pain will stop
yes when george bush. If the video of more terrorist activity to came from bin ladden had not surfaced during the second election, bush would have lost the election. Then the fear and pain would have faded as he left office. The ever tightening vice around the americans was when the white house stated that they did want the most recent video shown, making americans believe they could not survive without bush. Was how the votes saddled into bush's election win.
Posted by: cripple at December 28, 2004 11:15 PM (pMurq)
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Now you americans will have four years of
live or die thoughts. For your re-election of a war monger george bush whom bin ladden enjoys teasing and fighting.
how can you live with yourselves. It's these kinds of choices that make you americans red necks of the world who everyone wants to crush.
Posted by: cripple at December 28, 2004 11:34 PM (pMurq)
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great pict.im like when the americans has been beheaded.this is the islam power.i hope al qaeda will beheaded more and more head of americans.good job.
Posted by: malaysia at January 08, 2005 09:03 AM (gM+Lj)
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bomb their fucking little country. if we bombed nagasaki and hiroshima that long ago we should be able to come up with a super-nuke
heres the game plan
1. call out all of our troops
2. bomb the fucking living shit out of them
3. televise the results with out cencoring it i wanna see skin instantly liquify
i want all there half goat half human scum of children to be affected to the point where they have a highly contageous skin eating nuclear virus that kills them very, very, very,painfully and slowly
nuke their sacks!
i wanna see skin on fire
i wanna see iraq and all the -stan countrys gone
i wanna see people running in fear of the almighty united states
i wanna see people jumping into lakes to stop their skin from burning
if there are lakes in that stupid ass camel fucking country
Posted by: some yo yo at January 28, 2005 08:49 AM (+7VNs)
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Why Don't they just fuckin nuke the contry that fukin pisses me off seein this If i had the chance i would kill every last one of them with no simpify to there familys an im not even a violent person fuck how dose Gorge bush sleep at night i hope he sees this video.
Sory bout the spellin
Posted by: Jack at February 05, 2005 06:22 PM (E7OA9)
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the pig squealing noise in the armstrong video is actually armstrong's severed trachea pulling in air after it has been cut through.
He's trying to breath even though his head is almost off.
Posted by: nowhyu? at February 08, 2005 09:15 PM (w8nrP)
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As for watching the video, I'm going to refrain. My digging for an answer to what has happened to some hostages dosen't require me to trudge through such gruesome things.
As for being barbaric, disgusting and etc, yes, it is. But every country all over the world is responsible for atrocities. these atrocities simply happen to be the ones that has be televised and publicised the most.
The question I have to ask is that surely these people would not do this just for kicks? Then again, they may, but I have a gut feeling that many things have happened to them at the hands of others before they started to take such drastic action. Of course, that's not condolence to the families of the victims. Who knows what goes through people's minds when they are commiting such acts.
The ability to do such things is within everyone, if they are brought around to that certain way of thinking. Don't fool yourselves.
All acts like this, of violence, mind manipulation, using fear and religion to brainwash others are despicable. But they happen, and there's nothing the average Joe can do about it.
Posted by: Leo at February 09, 2005 02:33 PM (KF1fi)
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You know something, I read down, read a lot of the other posts on this thing. And a lot of you (you know who you are!) are as bad as the "terrorists" wanting to bloody "DESTROY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY QUICKLY AND PAINFULLY"
What the Hell?? Are you INSANE? that makes you just as bad as them. I'm all for opinions but jeez! You racist guys are damn retards!
D'you know how many inncoent English muslims I've seen get beat up just over this thing? And they had NOTHING to do with this at all. I know a few Muslims who went to Liverpool (I live right by there) and OFFERED UP PRAYERS for Ken Bigley. They DONATED to his family. They CARE. They feel GUILTY because this kind of shit is going down in the name of THEIR religion. They shouldn't have to live with the stigma of being evil, just because some idiots in a far off country kill others.
And you say we should kill them all. I don't normally get mad like this, but DAMN! Don't you DARE talk like that! i have Muslim friends. They're just like me, like anyone. (I was going to say like you am me, but they aren't as retarded as you racist types at all)
Obviously, this little bitching of mine DOSEN'T apply to everyone who has posted on this board. I know some of you are reasonable, and have raised points against the idiocy the others are sprouting.
This kind of racist talk ISN'T funny, and it ISN'T clever. I know I'm wasting my characters, for I've got a good idea that those people are just idiot kids. And if you're not, and if you're adults.....
GET YOUR HEADS CHECKED, YOU BRAINWASHED MORONS! STOP BEING SO GODAMNED READY TO KILL PEOPLE YOU'VE NEVER MET FOR YOUR SAD ARSE COUNTRY. BREAK AWAY FROM THE MASS OF ZOMBIES AND GET ENOUGH BACKBONE TO FORM YOUR OWN, IDEPENDANT OPINION!
Posted by: Leo at February 09, 2005 02:51 PM (KF1fi)
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i had no idea that these videos might have been released to public. I still cant believe what i just saw. all i know for sure though, that i dont wanna a remember any particular scene of it. people who put the blame on all muslim community actually should not be blamed. they are just too pissed off.. i live in a muslim country, Turkey. as most of you probobly know Turkey is the only muslim country in the world that is democtratic. but being stereotyped sometimes pisses me off too. our way of living is very identical to europe. (atleast way of living in istanbul) i am not a religious person meself just like majority of turkish people is not. but ignorant people (whom are very common in the states)think that we are terrorists as well just because being moslim..Well idiots listen up..i live in a moslim country but i am not attached to it. i am a microsoft certified systems engineer and cisco certified network professional. i am sick and tired of all these bullshit. there are alot of turkish victims out there too..they were not beheaded but killed..you guys remember the explosions in Turkey? a driver who works for a turkish trade company was released couple days ago after being kept hostage for a week or so was on tv the other day. he said that american soldiers excorted him through the american base but left him alone after he delivered the items he was supposed to..therefor he was captured and held hostage. now why the fuck did american soldiers escorted the guy on his way in but left him alone later? because they were done.finished..got nothing to do with that poor man who probably took the job because he desperetely needed the money..war doesnt determine who is right, only who is left.
Posted by: ozgur at March 02, 2005 08:00 AM (bYF/f)
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Well said Leo
Posted by: Simpo at March 03, 2005 09:11 AM (siFAl)
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It shows the barbarian human can arrive. VERY SAD
Posted by: paco at March 04, 2005 01:34 PM (XYmVz)
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thanx god they killed jack hesely i will like it more when they kill bush the bastard he is a pure son of a bitch.
Posted by: harry at March 23, 2005 01:59 PM (siFAl)
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thanx gos they killed jack hensely i will love this site when i hear that they killed bush the bastard.
Posted by: haroon at March 23, 2005 02:02 PM (siFAl)
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How DARE you say "thank god he was killed?" He had a wife and a daughter back home. She isnt even 17 and you say THANK GOD? He seems like a very honorable guy because of the fact he went to iraq to make money for his family. He cared dearly for his daughter and deserves much more than he had. I dont think im going to watch the video but i think that he NEVER deserved this. NO ONE deserves this. Its not muslims either, its TERRORISTS. Big difference there. I wish the best of luck to his wife, daughter and family. I wish for his family to recover and live happy lives with knowing that jack certainly cared for you all.
Posted by: Just.a.Little.Girl at March 29, 2005 08:28 PM (ay4Qp)
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Men who hack the heads of bound and helpless victims do so not because they were born evil. They do it because they have seen 2 million of their countrymen die under American sanctions. Whine and bitch all you will but until America stops killing people across the planet men like Jack, Eugene and Ken will suffer the consequences. It is a despicable coward that murders an innocent human being, be it with a knife or a guided missile. NO MORE WAR
Posted by: Reality Bites at March 30, 2005 02:40 PM (kzUk6)
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"Haroon" HOW DARE YOU SAY THANK GOD THAT HE WAS KILLED!?!? see, YOU are the worthless fucks who should be killed for saying that. fuck you, i hope yo burn in hell you little shit
Posted by: fuck you at April 03, 2005 02:47 PM (Jz2zX)
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haroon, how DARE you say thank god jack hensley was killed??? YOU are the worthless fucks who should be killed, i hope you rot in hell you little shit
Posted by: fuck you haroon! at April 03, 2005 02:57 PM (Jz2zX)
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I can not belive the monsters that are in the world today! My child was born right after 9-11, and the thought that my child had to grow up with all of the reasent actions going on was bad. But i never thought it would come to this. My heart goes out to the people who are being effected by all of this. I hope one day the world will be a better place for our kids, and all of the people who took part in all of the monsterish acts will get whats comming to them. the photos that i just saw will haunt my deams for a long time.
Posted by: One Scared Mother at April 07, 2005 12:24 PM (rRSz1)
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you are fucking shit heads you dirty bastards
i will chop youre fuckin heads off if you cum to brum you dirty little packie shits
Posted by: houdini at April 16, 2005 11:52 PM (ouRPW)
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I think that is terribly sad. When i read the story on Jack Hensley i thought that was so sad. Hie daughter was only 13 and now she has no father to care for her. Her dad was the one she could express her emotions to. when i read the Story i felt sick to my stomach. If i was to ever lose either one of my parents in a beheading i think i would die. I would like to give my condolences to the families of Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong. And Haroon that is such a stupid thing to say. THank GOD THEY ARE DEAD?!?! Are you a complete moron?
Posted by: Just a little girl too at April 26, 2005 05:45 PM (m7jM0)
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TO HELL WITH BUSH HE NEEDS TO GET A LIFE!!!!!!
Posted by: Big Grown Man at April 26, 2005 05:50 PM (m7jM0)
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Fuck all your stupid "opinions." no one gives a fuck about it anyway. it all comes down to these FACTS.
The white people on this planet ARE superior. Its simpe like that. im not saying that we were always superior, im just saying we have grown and grown and grown and that we are superior now. In fact, the whiter the skin, the more civilised. If u look at it this way, The white people are the most modern and civilised, the asian (who are yellow) are also good but still less, and the muslims and middle-east people (which i call noggys from now on) and black people are just ALL AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF EM complete fuckups. Look at africa; hopping like bunnies and sitting on their lazy asses all day. Look at middle east; praying to a stupid book and a dumbass "God", beheading and stoning people, living in deserts...
We (the whites) have developed and grown due to our INTELLIGENCE to this state. we have supreme technology and the noggys and blacks dont. when there is violence or war, noggys and blacks, when there is hunger and death, noggys and blacks. I mean, who isnt noticing this?? and what do we do? we go there to 'help' and the white people who do that get beheaded. goddammit u stupid poop-coloured fuckers. If i would be the leader of the white supreme armies there, i would say: "fine, u dont want to be helped? go fuck yourself then". and leave the pathetic turds.
There is only one strategy i can think of to save the earth and ensure total peace and efficient use of resources to stop pollution:
Kill all noggys and blacks, EVERYWHERE.
the blacks in africa are only getting sick from aids, hopping all day, and suffering from hunger. In fact, they are suffering always. We keep helping them with sending money, BUT IT DOESNT CHANGE ONE DAMN THING. its like they wipe thier asses with it. So if we just kill all blacks there, we end their suffering, and we can start to live there. Then we can breed, and more whites are created, which is always a good thing. And we have more resources and land and food at our disposal, which only helps our development.
Next, we wipe out all noggys. That way we also kill the religion which created this situation of people being beheaded in the first place. This will also end terrorism, and offcourse, we start to live there as well, creating once again more room for us. I liked the idea of nukes, but then we also poison the land. I prefer a gene-engineered virus, which only kills blacks and noggys. AND another advantage above all these GREAT advantages, is that we end like 99% of ALL criminal activities in the white countries. Just check out the prisons or a program on TV about wanted people, it always has something to do with noggys and blacks. And in reality-shows from hospitals, people carried in with gunshot wounds, are always coloured as well. Coincedence, or is there something in there genes that makes them attractive to BULLETS?
Surely, i give every single person on this world a full right to live, but if they are just too stupid to survive, or to mess with the best (white people) DIE SHOULD DIE AND BURN IN HELL AND PARTICURALLY THOSE FUCKING ISLAMIC PUSSYS. How the fuck am i expected to 'respect' a religion like that if they dance around slaughtered animals, or dress up like morons, or kill our people, or that coloured people are always involved in criminal acts?!? plz...
Posted by: White at May 04, 2005 07:02 PM (I8zet)
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the man above is soooooooo right
like general george s. Patton sed "violence solves all problems no people no problems."
the thing i hate is all the fuck-up democrats that are saying the ware in Iraq is detrimental if we were not trying to help the shut heads we could have just nuked of carpet boomed the fucks in to the ground and given them a pretty glass grave.
Do you people relies how much the better the would would be if hitler won WWII
Posted by: Tim at May 11, 2005 11:05 AM (lApNB)
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This was written at the outset of the war in Iraq and is especially dedicated to the so-called "towel heads" in the Middle East and if any is reading it now, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!
If your neighbour's house is burning down, would you knowingly aid the arsonists by giving them more fuel and giving them free access into your yard to start more fire from all possible sides? And all this while discussing with the arsonists (who are also full-time, hedonistic, bully renovation contractors) about plans to rebuild the same ravaged house based on hedonistic designs? And at the end of the day, agree to these arsonists billing you for the cost of burning down the house and subsequent renovation works? I guess you would, if you yourself are the hedonistic type and prefer the stinking, decadent lifestyle led by these bullies, who are actually cousins living on opposite sides of a pond.
I suppose that in that imaginary neighbourhood, the spineless police is also in cahoots with the bullies and would ultimately classify the case as justifiable arson, supporting any allegation of fictitious crime supposedly committed by the head of household. And all that for the purpose of allowing the bullies to further terrorise and extort the people in your stinking neighbourhood with impunity. What do you get in return? More promises of a stinking, decadent lifestyle which you crave for, as portrayed gloriously by biased and hedonistic news reporters who are also the bullies' cronies. Shame on you!
However, do you know that in another part of the neighbourhood which you might consider backward, the blood of a group of wise youngsters is boiling. They are aware of this "pulling the wool over your eyes" tactic done by the bullies and believe that for the sake of stability, justice must be done and real PEACE be restored. Maybe the parents of these youngsters are moderately religious people who wear their faith on their sleeves, neither offending nor supporting the bullies, but the youngsters WILL grow up putting their faith into action, not words. So watch out bullies.
Moral of the story: Don't teach your children to befriend or become bullies and corrupt police officers. And don't expose them to too much TV such that they appreciate the lifestyle portrayed therein even more than they appreciate you.
Posted by: staunch at June 27, 2005 04:19 AM (GUtkm)
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I was told a story once it was about how the world was in peace and everyone was nice to eachother I was told the story of peace when I was 7 years of age on september 11, 2000 I was 10 years of age when our school was told of the plain crashing into the twin towers I had forgotten that story and I had decided to deddicate my life to my country now Im in high school and I found a way to deddicate myself to help others that way is through the army national gard and seeing these pictures is just making me want to go in the army more if people want to be terrorist to my country then fine just the had better know this MY COUNTRY IS READY NOW!!!!!!!!!! and seeing these pictures just realy make going into the army worth it.....
MYRANDA B
Posted by: myranda at July 29, 2005 02:56 PM (UXkfa)
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FUCK YES MYRANDA B HAS SAID IT ALL
FUCK TERRORIST OUR COUNTRY
IS READY!!!!!!!
Posted by: hohoho at July 29, 2005 03:01 PM (UXkfa)
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I haven't seen any of these videos. My husband watched 'em and warned me off, quite frankly I'm not sure if I'd be able to handle the barbarity of it.
I'm not naive enough to believe that there are no innocent casualties in war. I get that, and I stand here today blessed because so many innocents were willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of peace.
Let's be realistic - those who truly desire war, those who fire the first shot, are those who are truly evil. Those of us who are left to defend ourselves in the wake of insanity really have no choice. Have any of these bleeding hearts really considered the alternative? How many 9/11's do we permit?
We are at war and it's a sad but unsurprising eventuality that has been prophesied for millenia. What thouroughly amazes me, and not in a good way, is the blind hatred of so many so called civilized people. I take issue with the leftist attitude that everything that's wrong here is the USA's fault. Have we made mistakes? Again, I'm not naive enough to believe that we're all without fault. However, to paint every American with the same brush of pigheadedness and insensitivity because of a few idiots is no better than saying that every Muslim deserves torture and ignominious death. Religion and/or nationality are not the real issue. The issue is truly what lies within the human heart. There will always be those who will use any excuse to commit acts of atrocity. (I think that some of them have found their way onto this site.... some of these entries are hateful atrocities...) On the other hand there will always be those who will use any excuse for acts of kindness.
We're at war, and it is what it is - a necessary evil made necessary by those who have hatred in their souls, who have no desire to live life by the higher standards required by peace. If we don't want these types of people to have power over our lives and futures, we have to fight them. Not with our own brand of hatred, but with the sorrow that those who try to love their fellow man would feel for being given no choice.
Bunny
Posted by: Bunny at August 13, 2005 05:16 PM (pEooT)
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These are quite the pictures. You should post some pictures of innocent Iraqi's that the US have killed, murdered and tortured. You will have at least 250,000 choices anyway.
Why aren't they cut'n off heads anymore? If the insurgents could get some more yanks and chop their heads off it would be tough for the yanks to stomach. Maybe some more are yanks will end up getting their heads chopped off. The Iraqi guys are pretty good at it though, it doesn't appear to take to long to naw off the guys head. How long does it take the US to blow families sleeping in their homes to smitherines?
This isn't a war, it's an illegal invasion of another country. George Bush is 10 times worse than any dictator, plus he's just plain stupid.
Posted by: Billie Bob Smith at August 26, 2005 08:43 PM (0uGCg)
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lewis here, where is the video of the cunts head being cut off
Posted by: lewis wank stain at September 17, 2005 02:30 PM (iBZJv)
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I hope someday western news channels broadcast live images of innocent iraqi parents killed in front of their w lil children.....its extremely gruesome and painful.I hope George W bush and all his allies in this notorious invasion are brought to justice for they maimed and mutilated 2 miserableand worth-of-mercy countries whose backbone was broken by decades of sanctions.
Posted by: Edwards at September 27, 2005 09:16 AM (nPCpN)
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this just proves what religions do to people, god damn brain wash. I cant imagine how I would have felt if I were in his positition, waiting to get beheaded =(=(=((
Posted by: yngveNorway at October 20, 2005 06:38 AM (UdAB+)
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I remember Mr. Hensley.. I had him for a teacher in 8th grade.. social studies, it was. He was a sweet man, and it was cute cuz he always kept a flashlight on his belt. He was very nice to us and wouldnt mind our chatty selves. It's sad what these bastards have done.. I personally think we should Nuke (sp.) them.. all of them. They all have the same beliefs, the beliefs that believe it is RIGHT to do that to a HUMAN BEING.
This is a sad world.
RIP Jack Hensley.. you were a good man.
Prayers are ALWAYS with the family.
Posted by: Sarah Osier at October 24, 2005 09:49 PM (vRAkk)
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i believe the terrorists are a bunch of good blokes. what they did was justified. my phone number is 0401 485 468...give us a call and we can chat in more detail i live at 45 hospital road bulli...send me some mail. luv me
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