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November 11, 2004

Sarin Gas Found in Fallujah (Updated)

UPDATE 11/17: An image of the Sarin found may be found here.

In the course of locating seven weapons caches in a single block around a mosque in northeast Fallujah, an Iraqi platoon Wednesday found a suitcase full of vials labeled "Sarin," a deadly nerve agent.
While further analysis determined that the find was probably part of a Soviet test kit with samples, its discovery in a room with mortar shells appeared to indicate an intent to weaponize the material.

NPR reported yesterday afternoon that US troops had found what they believed to be Sarin gas in Fallujah. I would caution that the report had not verified whether or not the substance was Sarin, only that troops suspected that it was.

According to NPR, Iraqi forces attached to Bravo Company found a truck that was loaded with weapons. In the truck was a briefcase with four packages containing ten vials each. The packages were labelled "Sarin-VGases" in English.

One Marine is reported as saying, "Awesome" upon the discovery of what potentially could be WMD, claiming that he now felt vindicated that the war was justified. The Marines also had intelligence that Sarin was in Fallujah and came prepared carrying gas masks.

It should be noted that the NPR report noted that the substances have not been independently analyzed yet. I was going to save this until it was confirmed, but since Glenn and James have put it out there, I figured I'd let my readers in on it too. Occasionally these reports turn out to be true, but often these early reports don't pan out.

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1 Gung Ho! When in trouble send in the Marines as W. Wilson di in 1919 to fight the Sandanistas. (This is where the saying comes from folks, The Communist backed Sandinistas were running over Black Jack's Doggies in 1918 so Wilson sent in the Marines.) God, Country Marine Corps We get the job done!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 11, 2004 11:18 AM (a2hGw)

2 You mean the terrorists in Fallujah had SArin Gas and non US troops are wearing their chemical weapons suits? Do you mean that upon invasion of US troops, no outer perimeter IEDs were fused with SArin toxin? This is truly and example of a large part of our culture trying their best to hold on to myths than people trying to ascertain facts. Invading Iraq has to be, by necessity, the right decision, because otherwise it means "free" adults were duped by their leaders, their tvs, and a really deficient ideology that disables them from seeing the actual world, the world supposed by the foundations of Western philosophy. The moral values people who think killing is a great thing. Go figure beast deception! back to the dark ages we go. Better Dead than RED! has a whole new meaning now dont it toby keith nation? Ernie

Posted by: ernie at November 11, 2004 11:34 AM (ursvs)

3 Well, we KNOW Saddam used to make sarin, so it's not surprising that we find these remnants from time to time. We found residues on some ammunition awhile back. It's surprising we haven't found more leftovers than we have. But this stuff is mostly old enough that it's not too useful for much of anything anymore. Anyway, people have seriously overhyped sarin and many of the other so-called WMDs. Nukes are a WMD. A MOAB is a WMD, in my opinion. These things generally don't compare to either. All the scaremongering about WMDs. I wonder how many people actually have looked into what these things do. When Saddam delivered them back in the 80's, he used air power and dropped them on people who were totally ill-prepared. Even so, conventional bombs would have been just as effective in some cases, and things like MOABs and cluster bombs probably would have been a lot more so. In 2003 Saddam had no air power whatsoever, so he couldn't deliver them that way. These things are even HARDER for terrorists to deliver effectively, and they're unlikely in most cases to be as deadly as conventional bomb attacks. I'm not saying we shouldn't worry about these things, but we need to have some perspective.

Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 11:52 AM (Fi+Cz)

4 If someone is going to feel vindicated over 8 vials of Sarin for invading a country then I feel vindicated Hitler was right to invade the Poles because the Polaks started the war by attacking Sovereign Germany!

Posted by: Salamander at November 11, 2004 01:56 PM (D4mP3)

5 Sal- I think the Marine has every right to feel some vindication. It is more proof we are doing the right thing by returning to Iraq and finishing the job. After all, he is the one away from his family and loved ones, fighting this war, finding one more small reaffirmation of the mission he chose to take on, and not you. Semper Fi, Marines! We don't ask for birthday presents from our country, we give them to it.... //jcrue

Posted by: jcrue at November 11, 2004 04:35 PM (QwB63)

6 I don't know if better dead than red takes on new meaning, but I do know freedom costs $1.05. Amen jcrue, amen.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 09:02 PM (JQjhA)

7 Getty Images has photos of the sarin gas find..there are several photgraphs. Use the editorial..news mouseover. You will come to a screen with many images you can serach the site under the captions of Fallujah, and there you shall see. The tubes are labeled saren gases..german

Posted by: zeropest at November 15, 2004 11:17 AM (+7VNs)

8 Just wanted to put it out there that the vials found were probably soviet water test kits. The do not actually contain sarin, and can not be weaponized. They are simply detection kits used to test for the presence of sarin in water or other substances. This was often found in Kosovo, and during Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) and is of no threat to US forces. Not to say that it should be considered as a potential for a threat, because they were obviously searching for something with the kits, but the kits themselves posed no threat.

Posted by: Bob N. at May 10, 2005 02:38 AM (ZRgLq)

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Fallujah: Hostages Freed / Helicopters Down

UPDATE: Make that three hostages:

US troops have found three Iraqi hostages in the basement of houses in Falluja, handcuffed and starving, a marine officer said.
"We have found Iraqi hostages in basements, handcuffed by their hands and ankles, starving, thirsty and tortured," said marine Major P.J. Batty, adding that three hostages in total had been found.

No word on the hostages name yet. WaPo:

A battered hostage, his wrists and ankles shackled to a wall, has been rescued by U.S. Marines moving through Fallujah, military officials said Thursday, providing further evidence that the rebel-held city was being used as a hideout for kidnappers.
Marine spokesman Maj. Francis Piccoli said the hostage was found about 4:40 p.m. Wednesday as troops engaged in a house-to-house sweep as part of the ongoing assault on Fallujah, the rebellious, mostly Sunni city about 35 miles west of the capital. Piccoli said the hostage's nationality was unknown. The rescued man said he was a taxi driver and that he had been held for 10 days without food or water.

Hat tip to James Joyner.

In other news, Jeff Quinton confirms something reader Laura sent me this morning, that two Marine Cobra helicopters were shot down in Fallujah. Luckily, it looks like all Marines were accounted for and unhurt from the incident.

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Palestinian Leader AIDS

***Exclusive to The Jawa Report***

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat Is Dead, Several independent sources confirmed to the Jawa Report. Arafat's Inexplicably Diagnosed Syndrome is said to have caused a massive shut down of his entire immune system. Mrs. Arafat Is Doing Solace in her chic Paris home, but would not comment on whether or not Arafat's Illness Did Sew contention and confusion in the ranks of the PLO leadership.

Asked If Dozens of Infidels Saw the corpse, France's top military physician would not comment. His Immediate Version of the story was a simple statement, "Mr Yasser Arafat, president of the Palestinian Authority, has died at Percy military hospital at Clamart on November 11 at 3:30 am (0800 IST)" more...

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1 Symptoms don't seem at all compatible with AIDS. Rapid decline, entering into a coma, etc.? Thanks to modern drugs, most people with even a smidge of money don't die very rapidly with HIV, if ever. What of these reports that Arafat was poisoned by Israel? I initially saw that on the Hamas news site, which I visited for the first time. But then I read it elsewhere. I.e. http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/250134p-214174c.html I would actually be MORE skeptical if not for the comical way Israel has denied it, i.e. - - - "It's absolute nonsense; it's completely ridiculous," an Israeli government source said. ~ ~ Referring to accusations made against Israel by Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, who said Israel had poisoned Arafat, Shalom said the accusations were "baseless lies." - - - Arafat's doctor, Ashraf Kurdi: "Arafat's health condition makes poisoning a strong possibility." Ali Kazak, head of the Palestinian delegation to Australia: "The doctors until now could not diagnose precisely what is wrong with him, but it is believed there is a poison. It could be poison because they have checked everything, and his body is in good health, there is no cancer, it is not leukemia." - - - Obviously, even if there is no poison, there has to be a poison, so Arafat can be martyred as promised. But IS there anything to this poison stuff? Now I'm a bit intrigued. Hamas's take << gospel truth quick mention by the Jerusalem Post

Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 11:22 AM (Fi+Cz)

2 You win. =(

Posted by: Chadster at November 11, 2004 11:23 AM (v+/cS)

3 Can you believe the fucker had a kid in '95? And the first time I saw a photo of his wife, I was shocked. She seems very young and dresses more western.

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 12:16 PM (ptOpl)

4 "And the first time I saw a photo of his wife, I was shocked. She seems very young and dresses more western." That's probably because you have many misconceptions about Muslims. A significant number of them are pretty secular and prefer a western style of life (such as those in Turkey), sprinkled with some religious piety for good measure. That's why I keep saying on here that just because a person is Muslim doesn't mean they're automatically a threat to your way of life.

Posted by: Venom at November 11, 2004 01:08 PM (dbxVM)

5 Codeblueblog MD's speculation in the comments at Dr Rangel is the best I've seen yet. Go to the link for the whole thing ( and other guesses by medicos working from available info) I think the final diagnosis is going to be Hepatitis and iatrogenicide. He had hepatitis all along (viral illness, flulike, elevated WBC, elevated LFT's, inanition) and they got so crazy flying him to Paris and rushing to rule out Leukemia that they killed him in the process.

Posted by: SarahW at November 11, 2004 01:18 PM (wSzxF)

6 Wouldn't he have had to appear jaundiced to have hepatitis? I don't remember any reports mentioning yellow skin or eyes (mind you, I'm no doctor, so maybe the absence of these symptoms means nothing regarding hepatitis).

Posted by: Venom at November 11, 2004 01:29 PM (dbxVM)

7 Venom - Suha is kind of a crappy example of your point. She was a Palestinian Catholic, with well-to-do Catholic parents, raised in convent schools. Her conversion was a matter of practical convenience, more political than spiritual...

Posted by: SarahW at November 11, 2004 01:35 PM (wSzxF)

8 Venom: You've no idea what my perceptions are! I was more shocked at her apparent youth than I was by her dress!

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 01:38 PM (ptOpl)

9 Venom - No, you don't have to have jaundice to have hepatitis. http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/orfpath/virhepa.htm

Posted by: SarahW at November 11, 2004 01:40 PM (wSzxF)

10 Is it really AIDS? I dunno--but that sure would be funny.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 01:44 PM (JQjhA)

11 "Suha is kind of a crappy example of your point. She was a Palestinian Catholic, with well-to-do Catholic parents, raised in convent schools." Fair enough, probably a bad example given her upbringing; but, the point still stands that there are tens of millions of secular Muslims out there that don't fit the stereotypes often thrown about here.

Posted by: Venom at November 11, 2004 01:52 PM (dbxVM)

12 Can someone please explain to me why the hell Arafart won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994? Really wanna know, all kidding aside. I don't understand that at all. (shaking head)

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 03:19 PM (ptOpl)

13 If I remember Arafat was awarded the Peace prize because he met with Israel to discuss peace. Prior to that the Palestinians would not negotiate anything. The Israeli leader at the time ( can't think well today after celebrating the MARINE CORPS birthday last night) shared in the peace prize. In other words they both received the Nobel Peace Prize for shaking hands on TV. Then returned to what they were doing before. Namely, trying to kill each other.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 04:26 PM (eVGfQ)

14 Thx, Roost. And what is with all his blowing kisses to the crowds and kissing babies and children? Makes him look like a harmless old grandpa, don't it? Rest in hell, Arafuck.

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 06:28 PM (ptOpl)

15 Afafat is in hell, that is for sure--right next to Gandhi, George Burns, and JFK.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 09:06 PM (JQjhA)

16 No major Islamic group has ever spoke against the doctrine of armed Jihad.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 01:12 AM (eVGfQ)

17 What "mystery disease" could it be that no one wants to talk about? And why is the widow, living away from her husband, being paid so much money to be quiet about it? Doesn't this sound like some other celebrity deaths? Hint: at his funeral, the appropriate dirge should sound like this - to disco music: "Macho, macho man! I want to be a macho man..." Not that there's anything wrong with THAT.

Posted by: A Shy Person at November 12, 2004 05:12 AM (QehG4)

18 "Afafat is in hell, that is for sure--right next to Gandhi, George Burns, and JFK." Whoa...slow down. You can't throw out a list like that without providing a bit of explanation. None of those guys are in my own personal hell (which includes the original Barney the dinosaur, Gilbert and Sullivan, John Wilkes Boothe, and possibly Bob Hope, but definitely not George Burns) "No major Islamic group has ever spoke against the doctrine of armed Jihad." Of course they haven't, and there's a reason for that. It's because JIHAD IS PART OF ISLAM. It's mostly an internal struggle between good and evil tendencies, but just war (generally defensive) is also a part of Islam. In general, Christian scholars tend to believe "just war" is part of Christianity as well. Many, many major Islamic groups however have spoken out against suicide bombings, attacks against innocent civilians, and the kind of senseless nonsense that bin Laden promotes. There are fuzzy lines, like what's going on with the Palestinian resistance, that even I have trouble with, and my ethical barometer is pretty sound, I believe. When a group of people are up against the wall (literally in this case), they certainly have a right to defend themselves. If they don't have conventional weapons, guerilla warfare might be understandable. So SOME of the Palestinian resistance is reasonable, as I see it, but targeting innocent civilians can never be tolerated in this day and age. It's not only immoral, but it sabotages the cause, because it turns off the people who could actually help -- the people in the mainstream, the ones with the money and the power.

Posted by: trr at November 12, 2004 06:03 AM (5gh+7)

19 With George Burns and Ghandi???? Pray tell, why, Rusty???? JFK, I understand.

Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 08:24 AM (ptOpl)

20 Mr Arafat had more political lives than a cat, surviving expulsion as a guerrilla leader first from Jordan, then from Lebanon, and even overcoming the fury of Arab governments when, in 1990, he hailed Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. Four years later, reborn as a statesman after the signing of the Oslo accords with Israel and about to win the Nobel Peace Prize, the Palestinian leader celebrated a triumphant "homecoming" to Gazza. What he then promised his people was "to build a new Palestinian Authority which will lead to a new democratic state". Instead, the regime he created and dominated was corrupt and incompetent; authoritarian yet increasingly impotent; and riven by rivalries, resentments and poverty that Islamist extremists found easy to exploit. For the US, as well as Israel, the end of the Arafat road was reached in 2000, when he backed away at the last minute from a peace deal painstakingly brokered by President Clinton. The failed deal cost Ehud Barak the leadership of Israel and was followed by futile intifada. Attacks were launched not only by groups such as Hamas, dedicated to Israel's destruction, but also by suicide bombers recruited by the armed wing of Mr Arafat's own Fatah organisation. Mr Arafat publicly condemned terrorism, but failed to arrest the terrorists, dismissing those who, like his Interior Minister, Muhammad Dahlan, attempted to enforce something approaching the rule of law. The Bush Administration's "road map" assumes the existence of a viable Palestinian interlocutor. With Mr Arafat gone, it is possible for such a figure to emerge. Isolation, internal violence and near-war with Israel have immiserated Palestinians. They need political reforms to run Gaza effectively in the event of Israeli disengagement. They will have neither jobs nor investment unless they can banish the militants and then court Israel's co-operation. George W.Bush's decisive election victory creates a momentum for progress. Ariel Sharon's willingness to pull Israeli soldiers and settlers out of the Gaza Strip is a further hopeful sign. Out of this death, may come a better life for the peoples of two tortured lands.

Posted by: Adam at November 12, 2004 09:05 AM (PM/BC)

21 I read that his personal physician wants to do an autopsy, which is now a mute point, being he's buried already. He said that the Paris physicians were incompentent because they couldn't figure out what it was. Most likely poisoning?! He said he would have performed an autopsy immediately since no cause was found.

Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 09:13 AM (ptOpl)

22 ARAFAT'S RULE OF EXPEDIENCY. Arafat's pursuit of the politics of expediency led him to support the killing of students in Tiananmem Square and the suppression of the democracy movement. He expressed "extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order after the recent incidents in People's China". He was also sympathetic to the coup in the USSR to overthrow Gorbachev in 1991. He was silent on the gassing of Kurds by Saddam. Following Arafat's return to Palestine, the human rights organisation B'Tselem had to deal with human rights violations by the Palestinian Authority as well as by Israelis. Arafat's inability to stand still ideologically, led to a deep suspicion of him and accusations of duplicity in Israel during the years of the peace process. This, in turn, undermined the Israeli left, which implicitly attempted to defend him through supporting the Oslo accords. His effective rejection of the Clinton proposals in December 2000 helped in the election of Sharon and the final betrayal of the peace camps in both Israel and Palestine. In an age of decolonisation, the British left equates national struggles with progressive politics. In the 1950s, Bevan condemned Nasser's nationalism, but the deification of Arafat suggests many today are less discerning.

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2004 08:48 AM (PM/BC)

23 Isaiah's dream of peace, 2,700 years ago was "...they shall beat their swords into ploughshares...neither shall they learn war anymore". We pray Arafat's successor will indoctrinate no more children to kill and that Israel can return their Caterpillars to resume making the "desert bloom". Gaza is built on sand dunes and all of it can bloom, just like the Israeli settlements in Gush Katif.

Posted by: kev at November 13, 2004 08:55 AM (PM/BC)

24 Okay Mr Goldbloom, think we got that.

Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 04:07 AM (QA+t3)

25 The day people live in peace with their fellow man without needing to bash him over the head because his religious beliefs differ from their own, or treat him with any less humanity than they would expect to be afforded to themselves will be a fine one indeed.

Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 04:13 AM (QA+t3)

26 What I would like to know is how the state of Israel can expect to live in peace when they are still building homes for the most ultra othodox Jews on Palestinian land.This in itself is like laughing in the face of the enemy.I would never support any act of terrorism or the takilng of human life to further ones cause of retaliation lin the face of injusdice. If somebody came and occupied your house and eating from your orange tree and taking away your right to go on living there in peace with your family I'm sure you might be so filled with hatted you would want to even kill them.The underlying issues still remain unresolved in the middle east.Until something is done to redress the balance and give back people their homes and land their will be no peace in the world.We can go on attacking Terrorists wherever they are but unless the underlying grievances they hold which are at the root of this terrorism,the problem will never ge solved no matter how many more people die.

Posted by: wekno at November 14, 2004 04:31 AM (QA+t3)

27 Sounds like ADAM has done his homework on Arafat the clown. Off the subject but damn was Arafat ugly.

Posted by: grreyrooster at November 16, 2004 01:42 PM (UkXdy)

28 There are more fools in the world than there are people. Heinrich Heine (1797 - 1856)

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Sitemeter or My Site Down?

Sitemeter shows zero people visited this site in the last hour. Is Sitemeter, like, totally messed up? Any one else notice a problem this morning?

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1 Well, I for one am definitely not here. I am only a figment of your imagination. And I had my stats trampled by sitemeter one week because they showed 0 visitors for several days. I had to reset all my stats to get back to reality.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at November 11, 2004 08:22 AM (VxPRK)

2 Not a prob here. Just trying to wake up via help with some hot java. :-O

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 08:50 AM (ptOpl)

3 Rusty/Demosophist.......I'm here eagerly awaiting your breaking news. My Reuters terminal, Bloomberg and PA systems have reported that 17 people were killed when a car bomb exploded in Baghdad, and near Fallujah two US marine helicopters were shot down in seperate incidents. Fortunately the crews managed to escape unhurt. No spin, just facts.

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 08:56 AM (4PPsx)

4 He already knows, James. I told him about it over an hour ago.

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 09:12 AM (ptOpl)

5 you know people come to your site with an almost religious fervor...no post something damnit!

Posted by: Timmy_tossoff at November 11, 2004 09:16 AM (n5uqi)

6 you know people come to your site with an almost religious fervor...now post something damnit!

Posted by: Timmy_tossoff at November 11, 2004 09:17 AM (n5uqi)

7 Laura, good morning, how are you on this fine autumnal day. My My, news does travel fast. I was expecting something from Rusty or Demosophist on this. Perhaps they over slept? Not looking to rile you at all so easy with the responses!!!

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 09:28 AM (4PPsx)

8 Sorry folks, but I have this stupid full-time job that,you know, keeps me busy sometimes!!!!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 10:18 AM (JQjhA)

9 I dont where you source your news, but quite happy to email you pieces from bloomberg, reuters etc when i can. A genuine offer with no caveat.

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 10:25 AM (4PPsx)

10 Excuses typos!

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 10:29 AM (4PPsx)

11 Thanks James, feel free to e-mail me at my G-mail account (offer stands for all) anytime.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 10:29 AM (JQjhA)

12 Your welcome. but can you remind me please, of your email address. Thanks in advance, have to rush as cant keep her, whom must be obeyed waiting any longer!

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 10:35 AM (4PPsx)

13 Spent last several hours in hysterical laughter after reading (Discovery new.com) Traumatized Kerry supporters needing therapy. Charlie says they needed therapy before the election.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 10:41 AM (9Dlss)

14 my e-mail address is located on the sidebar on the left of the main page.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 01:45 PM (JQjhA)

15 I wasn't here because I was at work and you are now banned at work because you are listed as chat/talk unlike Frank J. who is listed as news. What is up with that?

Posted by: Bullshark at November 12, 2004 05:30 AM (EzSAB)

16 "Spent last several hours in hysterical laughter after reading (Discovery new.com) Traumatized Kerry supporters needing therapy. Charlie says they needed therapy before the election." I need me some of that. Does health insurance cover hard liquor?

Posted by: trr at November 12, 2004 06:09 AM (5gh+7)

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November 10, 2004

Islamic Army in Iraq Shoots Down American Warplane

UPDATE: 4/22/05 Islamic Army in Iraq shoots down civilian helicopter, murders American survivor--report, video and images here.

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The Islamic Army in Iraq has shot down a US warplane, the Jawa Report has learned. Below is an image taken yesterday from a website claiming to speak for 'The Islamic Army in Iraq'. The website has since been shut down, possibly by certain unnamed patriotic hackers. Yesterday we reported the story, but unable to speak Arabic misunderstood the photo of the lone masked terrorist as a threat that jihadi forces now had unmanned drones that would be used against Coalition troops. Thanks to long-time friend Evariste for providing a translation of the website, we can now confirm that the photo is that of a US 'warplane' shot down by the Islamic Army in Iraq.

Continue below to see the 'warplane' photo and part of the translation of the threat that went along with it. more...

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1 LOL! Very funny parodying Drudge like that :-)

Posted by: evariste at November 10, 2004 12:27 PM (WHg56)

2 No, that's a Wonkette parody. Maybe you don't remember the whole Washingtonienne thing?

Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 12:29 PM (JQjhA)

3 Dude in the photo looks like one of the sand people from star wars with that hat on.

Posted by: Digger at November 10, 2004 01:12 PM (FYEx6)

4 That's pretty weak. Terrorists shot down a remote control plane that could be purchased at Radio Shack. Praise Allah!

Posted by: Chad Evans at November 10, 2004 01:17 PM (7+SYC)

5 Rusty I doubt it was a "shoot down" If I'm not mistaken that is one of the backback drones that the Marines use as disposables. It would be like finding a mortar shell and claiming you captured a tank. I just got back from the hospital and I feel like crap. When I can, I'll try to look thru my links of known drones and confirm it is a disposable. Even if it is not a disposable, the odds it ran out of fuel or lost radio contact are several orders of magnitude higher than a shoot-down. Assuming your post is not satire and I can't detect it with the drugged up head.

Posted by: Paul at November 10, 2004 01:25 PM (4wkqJ)

6 Clever. Hey off the topic but today is Birthaday # 229. God, Country, Marine Corps S/F Rod Stanton A 1/5 Nam 1967+1968

Posted by: Rod Stanton at November 10, 2004 01:31 PM (a2hGw)

7 Rusty-right, but Wonkette was parodying Drudge, LOL!!

Posted by: evariste at November 10, 2004 01:35 PM (WHg56)

8 Ah, so a parody of a parody of a parody....

Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 01:40 PM (JQjhA)

9 Goddamn it Rusty! Don't DO that to me!!!!

Posted by: Laura at November 10, 2004 01:58 PM (ptOpl)

10 How can it be a "shoot down" if the tiny plane is still intact? What did they use to shoot at it, a rubber band gun?

Posted by: Princess Kimberley at November 10, 2004 02:29 PM (1qKIw)

11 It's a paradoy? ARGH! I hate you guys!

Posted by: Princess Kimberley at November 10, 2004 02:31 PM (1qKIw)

12 but if it was a spy plane ..surely the Intelligence guys would have captured the last moments ....which location/area.....From what we can see the plane does not look damaged [Cheers for Damgeplan= just an AD for the band ] .So the scanning device would have to be switched off by the militants. ????

Posted by: Roopesh at November 10, 2004 02:53 PM (q9wBH)

13 Just a note, no this is not a parady. The style of this post is, but not the content.

Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 03:16 PM (JQjhA)

14 Some spy drones travel in pairs. One is sent to get shot down on purpose, while a second one flying higher photographs where the anti-aircraft fire comes from. I don't know if this is one of those types, but if so...bye bye, Achmed.

Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer at November 10, 2004 03:26 PM (Zr5Iq)

15 Hopefully, the plane has a GPS unit in it so that the US forces can track its location in case it's forced down. UH-OH, Ahmed!

Posted by: Steve L. at November 10, 2004 03:34 PM (hpZf2)

16 Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday dear MARINE CORPS, Happy birthday to you. Semper Fi til I die.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 04:12 PM (J4a4p)

17 Remote Drone: $7,000 Modified Battery Pack: $150 Sand people jumping around after finding plane crashed due to battary pack failure and filming their retarded camel jocky dance: Priceless

Posted by: Salamander at November 10, 2004 04:33 PM (V40IZ)

18 I know this is off topic but: Am I the only one that sees the irony in good ol Arafat giving his blessing to little kids to blow themselves up, encouraging it, funding it, and yet with all his organs failing, refuses to give himself up to the Virgins? I mean really, he and suicide bombers are doing all they can to keep him from sitting at the feet of Allah. If they had a shred of intellectual honesty, they would strap his decaying body with C-4 and toss him into a cafe somewhere. Don't get me wrong, I am very gratefull they are hypocites, but shit, someone outta at least call them on it.

Posted by: George at November 10, 2004 09:57 PM (IZNUO)

19 Tell me please, that the batteries that run the camera were still working and this stupid moron took off his Jihad mask to examine the plane.

Posted by: Cindy at November 11, 2004 06:02 AM (XWED5)

20 The most this, the most that But anyway Let me drop a beat 'cause I'm freaky On the morning of this day of comity, I was rollin' with my boys cause I'm somebody Give me da microphone quick so I can tear s**t up Give me da Kalashnikov quick so I can shoot s**t up You think you s**t? B**ch An American spying plane has been felled One of the militias of the Islamic Army in Iraq done felled it Yeah yeah yeah, but anyway On da bling-bling tip millions of records done selled it My homies got da plane, come quick come fast When you step to this s**t, we shove it up your a** I'm comin' around the corner wit' my plane No transmitta, no fuel cause I'm inSANE F**k with me and you bout to get f**ked up The most this, the most that yeah But anyway Let me tell you a story about a homey Tryin to shoot fish to feed his family Up on the horizon was a big white bird So-he-raised his gat and started banging all abSURD Hit a cat, a baby, hit a motherf**king mosque The most this, the most that, yeah But anyway Let me drop a beat 'cause I'm freaky On the morning of this day of comity You think you s**t? B**ch A motherf**king spying plane has been felled One of the militias of the Islamic Army in Iraq has done felled it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah But anyway

Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 07:05 AM (Fi+Cz)

21 No, no, no, no, no. Not, "the Jawa Report has learned" It's: "the Jawa Report CAN REVEAL!!!" Geeez. Don't you know ANYTHING???

Posted by: Michael Demmons at November 11, 2004 07:54 AM (Obt0C)

22 TAKING FALLUJAH. A difficult but absolutely essential military operation. The challenges that are presented by urban warfare, not least hidden roadside bombs, have been anticipated and new technology employed to limit the damage. It is, though, impossible to outwit all possible attacks and both the United States and Iraqi forces will sustain casualties. The dangers that they face reinforces the need for other units, such as The Black Watch(British regiment), to provide crucial logistical support elsewhere in the country. Fallujah is not the only rebel strong-hold. There are other places where law and order is far from ideal. But Fallujah has become a symbol of a wider contest. If the United States is seen to have won on the ground in military terms and the authorities in Baghdad are perceived to have regained political control outside the capital, Iraqis will feel far more secure. The most important objective now is to ensure that as much of Iraq as possible is in a state where free and fair elections can be completed next year and full power handed to the representatives of the people. The fight for Fallujah will largely, but not exclusively, determine whether that entirely noble aim can be realised.

Posted by: Adam at November 11, 2004 11:23 AM (PM/BC)

23 The Spy plane called Dragon Eye before take-off : http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041110/ids_photos_wl/r570684923.jpg

Posted by: Truth Seeker at November 12, 2004 06:39 PM (+AElr)

24 http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20041111.txt

Posted by: Truth Seeker at November 12, 2004 06:47 PM (+AElr)

25 Evidence of extermination policy towards Fallujan males as well as evidence of the policy of the US military to maximize its own casualties : http://www.boston.com/dailynews/317/world/U_S_troops_force_men_fleeing_F:.shtml The US Officers claim they turned them back because they could not differenciate a "civilian" from a "terrorist" on sight only. Why not arresting them all and practise those "analysis" for traces of explosive powder on them later on. Additionally, US Central Command sends in the city 600 potential fighters that are going to inflict at least some casualties to the US troops. This is both planned genocide of the Fallujan male population and high treason of the US troops by US Central Command.

Posted by: Truth Seeker at November 12, 2004 06:52 PM (+AElr)

26 Adolf W. Bush or George W. Hitler, as you prefer : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eidenk/Files/Postcards/02.jpg And yourselves above posters : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eidenk/Files/Postcards/03.jpg

Posted by: Truth Seeker at November 12, 2004 07:02 PM (+AElr)

27 Ok- here is some info on the plane. Its called the RAVEN. It is made by the same company that makes the rucksack portable "Dragoneye" in use by the USMC. The system is not disposable, and runs on battery power. Having crashed a few of these birds, I can tell you that that plane was not shot down. All parts appear to be intact other than the rear stab. The bird probably lost signal w/ the controller, and it went down in bad guy land. BTW, the bird does have a GPS built in. Have a great day!

Posted by: Raven Pilot at November 13, 2004 01:26 AM (dxBet)

28 I really do hope that the GPS has been tracked and the lights have gone out for the dudes-with-their-panties-in-a-knot-used-for-a-mask/hat.

Posted by: owoju at November 13, 2004 07:42 AM (N4SKL)

29 TRUTH SEEKER: Get help now!

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 03:10 PM (PYLjW)

30 Maybe a joint ops between USMC, U.S. Army and USAF...herd them to the lower, barren area...and have a suprise party with....(you guessed it) Our durable workhorse B-52, and anything else we can get airborne. let navair have a crack at them. lets get those A-10's going. then to top it off find a squadron of jennys (circa 1914). outfit the airframes with 2.5 inch rockets, modified with small charge and....yup: pig grease. any enemy like this that "saws" off the head of an american citizen civilian, has defined the rules of engagement. and to our guys, you live for our country, let them die for thiers!and grease em up!

Posted by: Bob...former USAF at April 21, 2005 09:02 PM (MUa6b)

31 victory to the islamic army and the army of the mujahedeen,,allahu akbar. good is great

Posted by: Falluja at October 05, 2005 10:43 AM (dyrIt)

32 Thanks to "Raven Pilot" for the correct identification. The RQ-11A Raven Small UAV is a flying pair of day & night binoculars for US Army and SOCOM forces, with a growing number of other users inside the US and abroad. The picture shows just one of the many benefits of this system: it's a picture of the enemy holding a small piece of hardware, instead of him holding the head of a US hostage. There are over 2000 Ravens in the field today and several thousand more coming. And yes, the GPS and cameras can still be working when it's picked up by insurgents -- providing great targeting info that's been used on at least a few occasions. The USMC's Dragon Eye is essentially their version of the same capability, though both SUAV systems are indeed made by the same manufacturer.

Posted by: Raven enthusiast at October 30, 2005 11:20 PM (2G535)

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Chirac=Hitler / No Blood For Ivory

HT: No-Pasaran!

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Kos To Commit Suicide!

It must be true, it's in the Onion.....(ht Charles)

BOSTONÂ—By examining web-traffic data for left-leaning DailyKos.com, researchers have predicted that the mass suicide of 14 political bloggers will likely be discovered sometime in mid-December. "After months of doing nothing but sit alone in our rooms at our computers, trying to get our message to the people, we lost the election anyway," read the still-unread suicide pact posted Nov. 3. "We'd rather be dead than live in a country as f**ked up as this one." The bodies will most likely be found by property managers, long-estranged parents, or neighbors returning copies of Joe Trippi's The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

Is it wrong to wish it were really so?

Related--If the NYT thinks you're 'liberal' then you know you're in left field.

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Same As It Ever Was

by Demosophist

Hostage Slaughterhouses, Death Camps, Gulags

Anyone recognize The Beast?

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)

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Zarqawi's 'Hostage Slaugherhouses' Found in Fallujah

Apparently earlier reports that Zarqawi had slipped away may have been true. One thing that struck me about this article, which is an AP wire story, is that the author lists the names of some of the French and British hostages, but not the Americans. If any one sees any photos of the so-called 'hostage slaughterhouse' I would be very interested in seeing them. Zarqawi has used several of these houses to murder in the past, and comparing this one to the many beheading videos might give us a clue as to the last time he was in Fallujah. My gut feeling is that he slipped out of Fallujah long-before the present assault started. USA Today:

Iraqi troops have found "hostage slaughterhouses" in Fallujah where foreign captives were held and killed, the commander of Iraqi forces in the city said Wednesday.
Troops found CDs and documents of people taken captive in houses in the northern part of Fallujah, Maj. Gen. Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan told reporters.
The most notorious abductions in Iraq have been by the al-Qaeda-linked group led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was believed to be in Fallujah but who commanders now say likely fled the city before the huge offensive launched this week by U.S. and Iraqi forces.
Mohan did not say that remains of captives were found and did not comment on whether the houses were believed linked to al-Zarqawi or any of several other militant groups that have claimed kidnappings.
"We have found hostage slaughterhouses in Fallujah that were used by these people and the black clothing that they used to wear to identify themselves, hundreds of CDs and whole records with names of hostages," the general said at a military camp near Fallujah.
Mohan was unsure if the hostage records included the names of any of the at least nine foreigners still in the hands of kidnappers Â— most notably, British aid worker Margaret Hassan, French journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot and two Americans.

Hat tip to James Joyner who also notes, "It would be nicer to find Zarqawi and the other perpetrators." Indeed it would.

Other coverage: Digger, In the Bullpen, Command Post, Cranky Neocon, Kevin Aylward, and others.

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1 Yeah, I read this story earlier, too. The discovery of these houses could prove to be very useful in tracking down the criminals who've been doing all the killings, even if they've already left the city.

Posted by: Venom at November 10, 2004 12:04 PM (dbxVM)

2 But I thought Islam was the religion of peace?

Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 10, 2004 12:08 PM (yQQMh)

3 No, it's the religion of 'piece'. You know, "A piece of your head here, a piece of your head there."

Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 12:31 PM (JQjhA)

4 Ah, thanks for the clarification. Something got lost in the translation I guess.

Posted by: Leopold Stotch at November 10, 2004 12:34 PM (yQQMh)

5 It's not the translation as much as it is the transliteration.

Posted by: Rusty at November 10, 2004 12:36 PM (JQjhA)

6 The coalition's tactics are becoming more crappy than before.Firstly they should have busted(taken down) the city back April itself.Still don't have a clue why they did not. Anyway now instead of taking them by surprise the insurgents have been well informed through media that the attack will take place after elections. From what we can see only the stupid(Jihadis) ...foreign fighters..would have stayed.All kingpins would be nowhwere near to that city.

Posted by: Roopesh at November 10, 2004 02:45 PM (q9wBH)

7 And if we suprised them 200,000 civilians would have been surprised with them. Then would the liberals have a field day on this blog.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 04:20 PM (J4a4p)

8 You kill what you can, then go to the next place and kill what you can. You just hope the peaceful NATION OF ISLAM doesn't breed them faster than you can kill them.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 04:23 PM (J4a4p)

9 Gee, sounds like cockroaches!

Posted by: Laura at November 10, 2004 05:15 PM (ptOpl)

10 Islam is a religion of peace just like every other religion but a few use it as a weapon of destruction. Personally, I don't see much difference in the act of beheading than the death penalty. They see unbelievers and other religions as being wrong in their eyes, we see the killing of humans as wrong. It may seem like they are totally different but the core reasons are still the same. Both inherently wrong in a civilised society. I just hope we find them before anyone else is murdered.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 11, 2004 03:39 AM (ccz95)

11 Matt, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has viewed any of the beheading video's could compare them to the implementation of the death penalty as it is used in the U.S. So my question is, have you viewed any of the beheading video's?

Posted by: Goldfalcon at November 11, 2004 03:03 PM (T9be8)

12 Lame comparison by FAR! The death penalty is instituted because of crimes the recipient committed. The beheadings are of INNOCENT PEOPLE. DUH.

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 03:44 PM (ptOpl)

13 GOLDFALCON, LAURA: It's hopeless, why try.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 04:44 PM (eVGfQ)

14 I know, I just can't resist pinheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 06:31 PM (ptOpl)

15 Whoa, let me straighten some things out up in here. "But I thought Islam was the religion of peace?" "You kill what you can, then go to the next place and kill what you can. You just hope the peaceful NATION OF ISLAM doesn't breed them faster than you can kill them." "Islam is a religion of peace just like every other religion..." Islam is NOT, strictly speaking, a religion of peace. Like most major religions, it's a religion of peace where possible, and justice where necessary. I think all of this oversimplification about Islam isn't helpful. Christianity isn't only about being peaceful. It's about compassion, true, but also discipline. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have many of the same roots, and they all try to strike a balance between mercy/compassion and discipline/justice. For the most part they do a decent job, which is why they're major religions. Any religion that makes people too wimpy won't last, because it's a tough world out there. Any religion that makes people too aggressive will turn people off. Historically most Muslims and Christians have been peaceful, but they've also fought when they thought it was necessary. Now, though, it's tougher because we're dealing with some fringe Islamic extremist groups that are a new breed. Bin Laden mixes his weird brand of politics with a twisted version of Islam. There's no Islamic pope, so there's no one to officially tell him he's off his rocker. It's interesting, though, that even many of the Taliban religious scholars condemn the kind of attacks bin Laden carries out. Some of them didn't want to hand him over in '01 not because they condoned the attacks but because they thought we hadn't proved bin Laden was guilty. (And it's true. Technically we really hadn't provided any decent proof.) The Taliban are extremists compared to most Muslims worldwide, so most Muslims are a lot MORE reasonable about all of this.

Posted by: trr at November 12, 2004 06:36 AM (5gh+7)

16 I'm talking from a moral stand point. Yes I have seen the beheadings, well thirty seconds of it, and it made me so physically ill that I had to leave work and go home.(I know, do some work) The problem is, as I have already siad, is that they believe that is what should happen to non-believers of their religion, rightly or wrongly. They do not believe they are killing innocent civilians. It's black and white. Exactly the same as the death penalty. How can we condemn a man for murder when we will do exactly the same to him? It makes absoultely no sense. The problem with this Christian led country is that it believes totally that the laws they set down are the absolute right ones. Sounds just like Islam to me.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 12, 2004 06:50 AM (ccz95)

17 Matt, you're a dingbat. How can you possibly say that the death penalty is the SAME AS BEHEADING INNOCENT CIVILIANS?????????????????? Do you not know what the death penalty is? It's to get rid of sick bastids who choose a life of murder. Take a life, we take yours. This is the justice system. However, the beheadings are of innocent people, accused of no crimes, hard working people, minding their own business, when they were ruthlessly kidnapped and slaughtered for NO GOOD REASON. How can you even THINK it's the same thing??? (shakes head)

Posted by: Laura at November 12, 2004 09:18 AM (ptOpl)

18 trr is getting sicker and sicker all the time. This defend Islam at all costs shit is getting old. Matt Bing comparing the death penalty to innocent people tortured and beheaded is sick. What kind of people are these? Either of you two idiots married to one of them? Or perhaps you are one of them.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 13, 2004 11:54 AM (uu9vw)

19 There's a nest of ants in my yard. Occasionally several bit me. Let me see. Do I find the individual ants that bit me? Or do I get rid of the nest? I think I'll get rid of the whole nest. I figure the nest will produce more biters.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 13, 2004 12:03 PM (uu9vw)

20 Roost, oh, but don't you know that's a poor parallel? After all it's innocent people we're talking about, and not ants! ;-)

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 12:22 PM (ptOpl)

21 Tried to show a little understanding at the ant nest this morning. Still got bit. I looked inside the nest and the one's that didn't bit me were feeding and caring for the ones that bit me. Noticed that some of them are developing big heads with big pinchers on them. Came from same nest. Didn't notice any big headed ones last week. Charlie say's they're fire ants and originated in another country. Worse is that I see another little mount of loose dirt. Could they be expanding? Now am I going to have two nests to deal with? Maybe if I'm real nice and feed them, educate them and bring them in the house when they need medical care they won't bite me. I'll try this approach and see what happens.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 09:31 AM (gRK3v)

22 Ant nest getting bigger. Charlie says mounds are growing because they outbreed the native ants. Haven't figured what to do. I did notice a catapillar walking by the nest minding it's own business. The ants chewed it's head off. Almanac says pour boiling water over the nest. Shit if I do that and the liberals find out they will call me ignorant.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 14, 2004 03:21 PM (PYLjW)

23 Checked the nest this morning. Looks the same. Wife brought home some ant killer. Says sprinkle on nest and it will kill the breeders and nest will die off. Bombed the little bastards with grains of this stuff from 3 feet in air. 2nd nest growing. Lots of activity, I think they are fighting with the local ants. Left them alone since nest started. Big headed ones bit me anyway. Quess they don't like me because I'm different. Going to use the boiling water thing.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 08:10 AM (aavE0)

24 I say kill the whole let of 'em!

Posted by: Laura at November 15, 2004 03:40 PM (ptOpl)

25 Let me know if that hot water thing works, I am being invaded too!

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George Lucas, I am your biyatch!

Dear George Lucas,
I just got through watching the trailor for Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and although I am not gay I would gladly let you have me now if you were so inclined. I must admit that I was bracing myself for the worst when I clicked View Theater Trailor, but something began to tingle in me, it was something primal, when the first voice I heard was that of Alec Guiness....... If the movie is half as good as the trailor, I will personally buy the KY. I'm yours. You're the pitcher and I'm the catcher.

Does this make me gay? No, but like Gary I am willing to take one for the team. more...

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1 PATHETIC! Star Wars... STAR WARS?!

Posted by: Lune at November 10, 2004 04:42 PM (Yh6ma)

2 Hey, Rusty! If you click this link you can come and enjoy this great intervention - I mean, party! Definitely a party, and NOT an intervention - that I'm throwing. BIG party. Lots of fun and games. Just forget that I ever used the word "intervention." I don't how it slipped out. Yup. Just a big ol' party.

Posted by: ccwbass at November 10, 2004 05:28 PM (APivA)

3 Well, ccwbass goes a littler farther than I would have, but all I can say is I'm expecting this one to TOTALLY SUCK, too. Why? DID YOU SEE THE FIRST F***ING TWO EPISODES??!!! I mean, Jar-Jar Binks? WTF was that?!

Posted by: Editor at November 10, 2004 06:35 PM (adpJH)

4 Lucas did much better without advanced computer graphics. That just lets him do REALLY stupid things. Sorry, I was bored silly by the two recent movies, and don't expect any better from this one. Eye candy is like TV violence: I've seen so much of it, I find it dull now UNLESS there is a good story behind it. There were so many silly bits in the last movie I never could get into it. I may get around to seeing the next one on DVD sometime.

Posted by: VR at November 10, 2004 07:31 PM (3T5B5)

5 I just hope it's better than episode two as that was the worst film I have ever seen. Lucas is no director.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 11, 2004 03:42 AM (ccz95)

6 Hey now! Everyone needs to BACK OFF! That trailer gives me chills! CHILLS! I'm with you Rusty. It's all about having faith in the Force. And I have to say that Hayden Christensen, wussy Skywalker boy that he is, is looking mighty fine and EVIL. And while I could go on and on about how Ewan just nails Obi Wan (it's like watching a young Alec, I tell you!) I'll just say that he is HOT and leave it at that.

Posted by: Maureen at November 11, 2004 04:36 PM (ny5O/)

7 Three things. 1. Yoda, tossing his duster back to show his litesabre. 2. Amidala with the Leah Donut-do. 3. Wookies. Lots and lots of Wookies. How can you go wrong with that many Wookies? I'm with Rusty on this one.

Posted by: Kin at November 24, 2004 06:03 AM (ZQldT)

8 well all i got to say on this matter is all 5 star wars films have been outstanding, i dissagree that george did better without all the enhanced effects, i think they make the films better. i dunno whats up with all the gay remarks..... you can keep them.... i saw the episode3 trailer and it sent tingles up my spine, i personaly cant wait, plus it comes out on my birthday so thats just an added incentive. anyone who dissagrees that all the star wars films are quality deserves to be kicked.... very hard...... in the balls. gearge you are a genious.

Posted by: morientes at December 12, 2004 07:15 AM (htmLk)

9 Fisrt off I'd just like to agree with two things, episode 3 looks like it's going to be the best one yet (for the prequels) I mean come on! General Grievous alone looks like a good reason to watch ROTS, I just hope they can pull it off with the graphics and fight choreography. The second thing I'd like to agree with is Jar-Jar Binks, he is so unnecessary! some random jedi should come out of nowhere and chop him up with a lightsaber in epi. 3 just because he's annoying. I myself saw the trailer but it came in poorly but from what i saw it looked good... better than the last 2! but i will give props for the duel of the fates scene in episode 1. CANT WAIT FOR EPISODE 3

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Saudi Forces Kill Terrorists in Gun Battle

More evidence that nations will only fight terrorism if they believe it is in their national security interests to do so. In the case of the House of Saud, it is because the jihadis wish to replace that regime with one that is even more harsh. Get it? The Saudi's Wahhabism doesn't go far enough. In the case of Pakistan, they help us because the alternative is a US invasion or harsh sanctions. In the case of the French....oh, sorry, my bad. Arab News:

Saudi security forces clashed with four suspected terrorists in the Al-Jamia district early yesterday morning. One terrorist was killed, and three were captured during the two-hour long siege. One of the three was a foreign national, the Interior Ministry said.
According to Brig. Gen. Mansour Al-Turki, a ministry spokesman, two security officers were injured in the operation that resulted in the confiscation of eight Kalashnikovs, 100 locally made bombs, machine guns, hand-grenades and live ammunition.

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1 Note the Saudi usage of the term "terrorist." Not "insurgent" or "militant" or "minuteman."

Posted by: JohnL at November 10, 2004 10:42 AM (YVul2)

2 The Saudis are not fighting to suppress terrorists, the Saudi Royalty are fighting to prevent becoming decorations on Street lights in their royal city! It's just a matter of time . . . then the race will be on to "Occupy" Saudi Arabia by one or more of our European "Friends" and set up a "Democratic Government" there! Watch! And incidently, France is doing a wonderful "Peace Keeping" job in Ivory Coast, aren't they? So far they have destroyed the National Air force, caused a couple of riots and gotten several of their own killed! Not bad for a country that's so much more advanced than we . . . And all they actually had to do was go and be traffic cops!

Posted by: large at November 10, 2004 10:55 AM (VRK2g)

3 LARGE: Don't know. Another senario: Rebellion starts. THe royal guards protect the royals until the US sends in troops to get them out. They then abandon the royal guards, move to the United States and use their billions to buy the best 5th Ave has to offer. They then live in luxury off the billions they stole from the people of Saudi Arabia. The west says thats too much money for the ISLAMOFACISTS to have. The US, it's true allies and the EU invades. Lots of continued terrorist shit. Saudi people have enough of it and become a democracy like Iraq will be. ISLAMOFACISTS say oh shit and go back to Afghanistan and the west doesn't give a shit. No oil there. The people of Saudi Arabia demand the royals return the billions stole from the people. The west wants oil so we lock up the royals billions and the courts (after lawyers make millions) decide to return most of the money. Of course leaving out enough to pay the lawyers. Oil revenues make the standard of living for the average Saudi go up. Iraqi and Saudi girls start wearing lipstick and tight levys, the boys listen to rap music. MacDonalds and Wal-Mart come in and make a killing. The Germans and Japanese sell millions of cars. The rest of the Arab world likes what they see and slowly joins in. Everyone in the middle east denies they ever knew a terrorist. Some terrorists use the money kept from donations from the people that never knew them to move to France.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 05:15 PM (J4a4p)

4 A few things more than worth pointing out. First, Bin Laden and his ilk are NOT big fans of pure Wahhabism. So Wahhabism DOES NOT = bin Ladenism. Remember the guys who attacked us on 9/11? Anybody remember these freakin' guys? Anybody actually feel like concentrating on the strains of ideology directly related to 9/11 instead of going off on your little adventures? You know, we'll have time for these fun little projects later. We still haven't dealt with 9/11, and that's ATROCIOUS in my view. "Note the Saudi usage of the term 'terrorist.' Not 'insurgent' or 'militant' or 'minuteman.' " What the hell is your point? "Terrorist" is a term that countries often use to politically define groups to make them seem more unseemly to the public. If there are two groups that both commit atrocities, and one of them is working on our behalf, then the other guys are the "terrorists." This doesn't mean "terrorist" is a purely relative term. There IS such a thing as terrorism. But the term can be manipulated, and it very often is. Too often, the label does more to confuse issues than to clarify them, by painting one side's violence as benign and the other sides' as demonic. We can think of ourselves as the good guys without examining issues so bluntly. We need to UNDERSTAND this stuff, not just endlessly spew rhetoric about it. I appreciate the courage all of you possess in pointing out the dangerous ultra-close ties between our president and the Saudis. The US, of course, always has close ties with the Saudis, but the Bush administration has had the closest ties maybe ever. When Bush came into office, he instructed the FBI to ease up a bit on those investigating the Saudi financial networks that helped to fund terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda. Clinton had been hesitant to anger the Saudis, too, but when Bush came in it was like a free-for-all for the Saudis who sympathized with terrorism. (No, al-Qaeda was NOT funded by the Saudi state, unless you count the alleged please-don't-attack-us payoff money, but there were certainly Saudis tied to the royals who did fund al-Qaeda on their own, and that's no secret.) And FINALLY, "Iraqi and Saudi girls start wearing lipstick and tight levys, the boys listen to rap music. MacDonalds and Wal-Mart come in and make a killing. The Germans and Japanese sell millions of cars. The rest of the Arab world likes what they see and slowly joins in." Wow, you really have your finger on the pulse of the Arab world. Christ, these are exactly the things that the Arab world HATES about the United States right now. These are the things that help to fuel fundamentalism and the extremist anti-American recruiting. You think these things are totally alien to the Middle East? No, these cultural items have ebbed and flowed in the region. Places like Iran and Egypt were once MORE accepting of Western culture than they are today. Nowadays, many people have so much pent-up anger about the West that these things are symbols of precisely what is wrong with the West. What was once a mystique about Levis and short skirts is now, for many, a deap-seated loathing. They know about this stuff. But MANY, MANY of them don't want it, at least until the West makes more of an effort to give a shit about what makes the MIDDLE EAST uniquely its own. They DON'T WANT TO BE US. They want to accept some of our culture if we're willing to acknowledge that what makes them distinct is pretty great as well. These guys have known great civilizations for millennia, and Americans with their f**king burgers and Levis waltz in and think they're the greatest motherf**kers ever, and you know what, the Arabs couldn't give a f**k about that. If we want these guys to embrace more of our values and our culture, we have to respect that they will never BECOME us, and never SHOULD. We need to be more reasonable. You can't make someone like a burger by shoving it down his throat until he chokes on it. Here come the Americans. They're airdropping another Wal-Mart on top of a Mosque. Oh well, let's just go to Wal-Mart instead. This is f**ked up.

Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 05:00 AM (Fi+Cz)

5 And the same shit goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on. The beheadings, 9/11, bombings, blah, blah, is all America's fault. It's Bush's fault. Wendy's created the terrorists. Their civilization is superior to the west. YEA, SURE: WHY LIVE IN THE WEST? GO THERE AND ENJOY THE WONDERFUL CULTURE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WHY ARE MILLIONS OF THEM ARE MOVING TO THE WEST? BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT AND MORE BULLSHIT. The answer is simple. It's called ISLAM. And is SUCKS.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 05:40 PM (eVGfQ)

6 Right, and that's why so many of the fuckers move HERE and try to cram THEIR religions and cultures on US. Like that gal that insisted on wearing her veil to get her driver's license photo taken? WTF? This is AMERICA, honey. Funny thing is she IS an Amercan, just CONVERTED over to some Islam/Muslim religion. We let them come over here and wonder why all the gas stations, kiosks at the mall, grocery stores, etc. are owned and operated by foreigners from the Middle East. Anybody ever check these characters out? Are they American citizens? Or just here to make the money and move back home? Or are they terrorists just posing as business owners? You nevah know.

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 06:38 PM (ptOpl)

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Dutch Police in Standoff with Van Gogh Murder Terror Suspects

On the day that Theo Van Gogh was put to rest, the Dutch police have raided a suspected terrorist network's safe house. Three Dutch police officers were injured. While the story quoted below implies the injuries may have been the result of some sort of accident, according to another source the hand grenade was thrown at them. ITV:

Dutch police have raided a building in The Hague as part of an ongoing anti-terror operation.
Three officers were injured when a hand grenade exploded during the in the early morning operation.
A number of suspects are understood to be holed up in the building.
The area was sealed off and the airspace above The Hague was closed.
Tensions have been running high in the Netherlands since the murder of controversial film director Theo van Gogh last week.
Detectives investigating the killing have arrested ten people and are still holding six including prime suspect "Mohammed B" who has been charged with murder and suspected links to a terrorist group.

The words of van Gogh's mother seem quite fitting here, "You must also help ensure that Theo is not forgotten. Liberty is not for frightened people." Amen sister.

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1 I condem this racially motivated attack on these poor muslim freedom fighters, frightened and unfamilliar with our repressive destructive, ecologically harmfull western ways. all cultures are equal and we cannot hold these men responsible for what is clearly a defense and backlash of poverty and of aaaaaahhhhhhh crap I cant spend one more moment thinking like a liberal it makes me feel sick and dirty ive gotta go take a shower.

Posted by: rumcrook at November 10, 2004 10:05 AM (fLlQ8)

2 Ha, Ha, Good one!

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 05:31 PM (J4a4p)

3 OK, dipshit. These people are clearly criminals, and no one is saying they aren't. They're religious fanatics, and they have no place in a free society. People that fanatical are a very, very tiny minority of Muslims worldwide (or Dutch Muslims for that matter). The Christian fanatics who rave about killing abortion doctors, and once in awhile try to, are also a tiny minority. This is not UNRELATED to the religion of Islam. All religions have quirks that crazy people can exploit if they're bent on doing diabolical things. It just so happens that the West has managed to tick off quite a few Muslim nations over the last few decades, so Islam gets blamed for a lot of this. If you want to chalk up the number of casualties Christians have caused versus the number Muslims have caused, it would be an interesting study, but I would doubt Islam would come out on top. Enough of the closed-minded bigotry that this country thought it had discarded a few decades ago. Come off it, you simple-minded punks. As much as a**holes like these extremists endanger our liberty, you guys endanger it even more. You're UN-AMERICAN, and you can kiss my American a***. Time magazine: "[Benjamin Franklin helped to build a hall] in Philadelphia that was, as he put it, 'expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion who might desire to say something.' He added, 'Even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism [Islam] to us, he would find a pulpit at his service.' "

Posted by: trr at November 11, 2004 05:16 AM (Fi+Cz)

4 THOSE MUSLIMS IN HOLLAND SHOULD TAKE A VISIT TO ONE OF THE MANY COFFEE SHOPS IN AMSTERDAM, THEY MAY UNDERSTAND "PEACE" MAN!

Posted by: karl at November 11, 2004 07:47 AM (PM/BC)

5 trr: You're not an American any more than the assholes with rags on their heads collecting money for Al-Queda. Living here doesn't make an American and you obviously don't know WHAT THE FUCK I'M TALKING ABOUT. Another fucking Jane Fonda. Call home asshole 1-800-Al-Queda.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 12, 2004 01:31 AM (eVGfQ)

6 typical leftist response and defense of islam. he pulled the old shopworn, christianity and islam are equally responsible for an equal amount of death and misery.... not only is that argument worthless, its pathetic. jesus never gave a green light to kill anyone. ever. no where in the new testement can you find jesus calling on people to kill an unbeleiver or a sinner for god. not so mohamid. the koran is riddled with qoutes and admonitions from mo' to kill. the in this modern era, (the last 30 years) you have maybe, 2 or 3 wakjobs killing abortion doctors. in this same modern era, the muslims are responsible for cutting off heads of innocent people, and murdering many many thousands, 911 being the culmination of thier bloodlust. so im gonna have to conclude that the real dipshit, is trr

Posted by: rumcrook at November 12, 2004 02:08 AM (fLlQ8)

7 The Netherlands is close to Britain politically and culturally, and it is important that this country(UK) draws appropriate lessons. Like the Dutch, the British people pride themselves on welcoming newcomers and on attitudes that reflect a global outlook. But Britain should not become prisoner, as the Netherlands has, to a "consensus" that stifles debate. The UK also has a sizeable Muslim minority, but more has been done to inculcate values and make clear that all have a responsibility to participate politically and economically in British society. The Dutch have made some effort to tackle alienation among young Muslims, but not monitored closely enough the activities of an extreme few. Both countries now have much to do. In Britain, at least, the emergence of a responsible Muslim umbrella group to counter the ravings of those preaching hatred has, in recent months, eased tensions. In the Netherlands, communal relations are still too inflamed. Mr Balkenende must move fast to shore up the tolerance for which his country was once famous. It was the dishonesty in not acknowledging that this was under threat which has led to the present conflict.

Posted by: Adam at November 13, 2004 09:16 AM (PM/BC)

8 This attack on a writer speaking his mind is more important than idiot bombers. Greatly underplayed. All the civilized world should be in an uproar. The dutch should start mass deportations immediately. ISLAMOFACISTS will make heros of these killers. It will happen again unless the civilized world shows the Muslims this will not be tolerated.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2004 07:38 AM (aavE0)

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Ansar al-Jihad Threatens to Behead Allawi Relatives

This is the first time I have heard of Ansar al-Jihad, which means Partisans of Holy War or Holy War Followers. Allawi, for his part, has refused any negotiations with the terrorists. Notice the article calls the terrorists 'militants'. Xinhuanet:

A militant group kidnapping three family members of Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi threatened on Wednesday to kill them if Allawi doesn't order a withdrawal from the besieged Fallujah.
In a statement, the group known to be Ansar al-Jihad (Partisans of Holy War) claimed responsibility for the abduction and threatened to behead the three if Allawi fails to meet its demands in 48 hours.
"We demand the agent government liberate all the prisoners in Iraq, women and men, and lift the siege over Fallujah and stop the military action against the city," said the previously unknown group.

CTV:

Gunmen have abducted at least two members of interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's family from their Baghdad home on Tuesday. The militants are threatening to behead them if their demands are not met. ...
"We promise Allah and his messenger that if the agent government doesn't respond to our demands within 48 hours, they (the hostages) will be beheaded," the group says on the website.
Interim government spokesman Thair al-Naqeeb says the prime minister's first cousin Ghazi Allawi was seized along with the cousin's daughter-in-law as they were leaving their home in southwestern Baghdad Tuesday evening.
"Ghazi Allawi is 75 years old. He has no political affiliation, and is not holding a government post," the government statement said.
Reuters says Ghazi Allawi was taken along with his wife and son. Sources also tell Reuters that there had been a short gunbattle at the cousin's home before they were seized.
Ansar al-Jihad also said in its Web posting it abducted three people.

Others: Jeff Quinton at BC, Steve at PoliBlog, Michele at Command Post, Alan at Command Post, James Joyner (still hasn't made the Jawa his home page), and others.

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1 Wow, this is certainly hitting close to home. Wonder what Allawi will do? That's like having one of Bush's relatives being taken hostage here...what would HE do? Sure could change how we deal with these bastids now that it affects the top guy. Interesting to see how it will all go down. Really, though, a 75 yr. old man? Sad.

Posted by: Laura at November 10, 2004 08:31 AM (ptOpl)

2 Just wondering if there is any news of the Care lady-even sadder

Posted by: The shadow nose at November 10, 2004 09:53 AM (A7F1m)

3 Sad for his cousin and family but Allawi will not cave in to their demands.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 10, 2004 05:34 PM (J4a4p)

4 Any news of any of the hostages?? Margaret, the Polish lady, the 3 UN workers?? Please somebody tell me why Arafart won the Nobel Peace Prize? For WHAT??!!

Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 03:45 PM (ptOpl)

5 Violent jihad or holy war against unbelievers. Murder, stealing, torture, slavery and rape against unbelievers is acceptable if couched in terms of jihad. Christians and Jews allowed to live in Muslim dominated lands provided they pay a special tax and accept their status as second class citizens. The status of polythiests is tenuous at best, they will eventually be eliminated either by persecution or death. My dear brother, please read Chronicles of Islamic Wisdom. You seem to have strayed from the path. The path of truth and wisdom of Islam. You will be in our prayers. Chronicles of Islamic Wisdom Here are a few excerpts from the book of one of Islam s' supreme spiritual leader: Ayatollah Khomeini: "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister" - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990. "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep?s, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine". From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 "If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned." The little green book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47"It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven" - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 REMEMBER IRAN CONTRA? Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.Ayatollah Khomeini The most important information to know about Muslims,is that they will smile to your face and cut your throat from the back. I'm so scared i have a wart on my cock. Is it a cocksucking muslim ? 93% muslim males have anal and/or genital warts ALLAH

Posted by: wrs at January 23, 2005 03:43 PM (Lxixp)

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For Some, Not So Good

by Demosophist

The following post by a friend from the UK helped me cope with the fact that there are people at the BBC who've apparently taken the liberty of producing a three part series promoting the idea that Totalitarianism 3.x is just (to use a phrase from Ebeneezer Scrooge): "a piece of over-ripe potato." My friend's post proves that some Englishmen haven't bothered to master the dexterity that must be required to poke their heads up their @$$es without wrinkling their ears: more...

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1 Rusty, you should watch it, you might learn something. Or are your views on terrorism and Islam so distorted that you cant countenance the idea that somebody elses views might negate yours?

Posted by: James at November 10, 2004 03:39 AM (4PPsx)

2 The three part programme was a real eye opener and a few more americans ought to take the time to watch it. George Bush paints the world in such a black and white way, good v evil, but it isn't as simple as that and nowhere near as scarey.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 10, 2004 03:39 AM (ccz95)

3 Indeed the "The Power of Nightmares" programmes are indeed 'real eye openers' from which to 'learn something'. It's eye opening that the editorial chain chain at the BBC should comission, produce, and pass for transmission, such a pile of rubbish. Attempting to portray the neo-conservatives as analogous to the jihadi islamists is either hilarious or libellous, I can't decide which. Leo Strauss as an analogue for Sayed Quttub. Ludicrous. The programme also manages to hopelessly mangle much of the history of the Reagan confrontation with the USSR. Then it goes on having 'proved' the existence of a neo-con campaign to change America, to declare that for this purpose it has invented Al Qaeda as an international organisation. Anyone who knows anything about it knows Al Qaeda has always been a 'network of networks', providing services and support to like-minded local groups, and blurring into them in carrying out operations. But to deny, on this basis, that jihadi islamist terrorism exist, and at least before the recent US counter-offensive, was growing, is crazy. In short, the producers erect their OWN nightmare, the conspiracy theory of the neo-con boogymen, in order to play down real threats and problems that imperil their own dream.

Posted by: John F at November 10, 2004 08:42 AM (5cvA7)

4 Raving sophisticated sophistry - it's all more marxist illusionary revisionism.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 10, 2004 11:28 AM (04TFv)

5 The BBC series, from the reports about it I've read, tiptoes so closely to the line of anti-Semitism that the line might as well not exist. But the BBC attitude toward the US is well-rehearsed. Part of their problem is that like American reporters in Iraq, they don't get out to the hinterlands. BBC has correspondents in NY (mostly for the UN), in Washington, and in Hollywood. That pretty much tells it all. When they do go out of the city, it's always something "cute" on a farm, with SO of chirping crickets and lowing cattle. At least Alistair Cooke got out there for his "Letters from America" which were fair and informative.

Posted by: John at November 10, 2004 11:40 AM (OmbAg)

6 Guys: Thanks for the comments, but this wasn't posted by Rusty so don't blame him. We have a technical problem in the author designation, but I've indicated in two places on the post that this was submitted by Demosophist. As to whether either I or Rusty have anything to learn here, I guess I'd ask if anyone knows what a "toff" or a "sab" are? I figure the first is probably an elitist, and the second is some derogatory racial reference to people of swarthy hue... but again, I don't really know. Beyond that, I just look at the BBC as an institutionalized version of Michael Moore squeezing out propaganda like... well, whatever squeezes out of a smallish expandable hole. "Rubbish" is too polite a term.

Posted by: Demosophist at November 10, 2004 03:24 PM (OtR16)

7 Your questions to "Ask a Brit" shall be answered! Toff - upper class (originally implying elegance and/or foppishness, but not necessarily nowadays). Sab - hunt saboteur; specifically, of fox and stag hunting on horses with hounds. Swarthiness not an issue.

Posted by: John F at November 11, 2004 03:23 AM (5cvA7)

8 The problem with the bbc is that they don't produce programmes which suit your view of the world. Anything that portrays the USA as anything but the saviours of the world is deemed rubbish.

Posted by: Matt Bing at November 11, 2004 03:46 AM (ccz95)

9 Demosophist......lovely name. Do your parents have a special sense of humour or is it a nom de plume that you created in a moment of immense confusion? The BBC is far from perfect but to compare its current affairs programmes to the productions of Michael Moore clearly demonstrates an inability to distinguish fact from fiction. To castigate them further using execrable language makes me wonder if you have just jumped on the bandwagon with those who view anything which is remotely critical of the United States foreign policies as "America Haters" and terrorist collaborators. Presumably you have not seen the programme as is the case with John and Keith in mtn. I would suggest that you watch it. John's comment that the programme is Anti Semetic is ill informed garbage. Again being critical of Israel does not make one an anti Semite. I have lived in the States for 2 years, Chicago in fact, great place and some of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. The only thing that really shocked me, was people's ignorance of what was going on in the world. And these people were professionals, doctors, traders lawyers policemen. But then it occured to me that American news stations gave very little coverage to what was going on in the world with the exception of CNN, and Fox,to a lesser degree. Now since 9/11 everybody seems to be an expert on all things foreign. Fortunately for me I was able to get a copy of the Daily Telegraph (a quality UK publication) and the Irish Times (a quality newspaper from Ireland, a small island west of Britain in the Atlantic for those of you who dont know where it is on a map) Why, even your good self seems to be very well informed. I just wonder where you get your news from? Mainstream media or msm as it is referred to now? Of course you do, unless you have your own people on the ground giving you the facts/stories as they happen. Or perhaps you have a Reuters terminal, maybe one from PA or do you use Bloomberg? Or do you search the net, a much cheaper alternative to the above. Regardless of where you get it, you twist it,turn it, spin it to suit your own political agenda as does the BBC or any other news organisation. You compare the BBC's output to shit, the fact is you are talking out your arse, ass if you prefer. One last thing, as a self proclaimed expert on all things foreign I would have thought a man(perhaps you are a woman, no offence intended regadless of your gender) as well informed as yourself would have known the difference between a toff and a sab. I didn't understand the remark at all in any context and a friend who is an English teacher could make head nor tail of it either, that is, neither of have a clue what you are talking about! Perhaps you would share your reasons for wanting to know the difference and also what it has to do with the current topic of debate. Best regards and apologies to Rusty for having assumed that he wrote the piece.

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 05:29 AM (4PPsx)

10 I could not have put it any better...Well said James

Posted by: Rod at November 11, 2004 06:32 AM (2anKB)

11 James: I have seen the programme. (Or parts at least; I periodically got too fed up with the waste of time and wandered off.) It's a pile of rubbish. I wouldn't have said it was antisemitic. Though a lot of loons peddle the "evil neo-Cons = Jooos!" crap, seems to me the programme the neo-cons as wicked, but not on the basis of their Jewishness. I'd let them off that one. But it is nonetheless a moronic piece of conspiracy-theory barely one step up from "aliens killed JFK".

Posted by: John F at November 11, 2004 08:58 AM (5cvA7)

12 John F.....I don't buy the neo-con conspiracy rubbish. But I do think that there is "something rotten in the state of Denmark" with regards to America's decision to invade Iraq. It's as though the invasion had been planned as part of Bush's electoral campaign. The programme does raise some serious questions about the wests foreign policy towards the middle east. Demosophist's condemnation of the programme before having viewed it and comparing it to a Michael Moore production is pure folly. Now I am just waiting for a diatribe from morons, whom I shall not mention, asking "what has Denmark got to do with it"?!!!!!!!

Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 09:21 AM (4PPsx)

13 Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation=BBC

Posted by: karl at November 13, 2004 05:46 AM (PM/BC)

14 Good one, karl!

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 09:17 AM (ptOpl)

15 James: Though I can't see that you've said anything that isn't naked, and mostly ignorant, ad hominem, more or less on par with "blow it out your ass" spiced with a quasi-intellectual stab at irony, I'll try to respond. I understand that the BBC has made conspiracy thinking in England more or less mainstream, but that doesn't make it sane. I would have no problem with the BBC saying anything it has half a mind to say (and that's about all its thesis requires) were the outlet not government subsidized. Not only does that fact relieve it of certain market pressures that would otherwise combat an institutionalized flabbiness, but it gives their garbage undeserved and unearned credibility (not unlike the false credibility given much of the Middle Eastern government subsidized press.) The central "neocon" thesis is a pretty simple one: that expansion of the democratic franchise will make the world safer in the long run (though perhaps more volatile in the short run). I fail to see that you're even aware of an alternative, let along that you're presenting one with any responsibility. It seems to me that this leaves you with only one recourse: to spin conspiracies founded (however subtly) on political paranoia. Well, it's the opposite of wisdom, is all I'm sayin'. The opposite of Demosophia. It is the ignorance and foolishness of a spoiled elitist faction given far more credibility than their station merits. Thanks for providing the cautionary tale.

Posted by: Demosophist at November 16, 2004 10:10 AM (OtR16)

16 Demosophist... Thank you for the response, even if it has taken you a week. I was expecting something with a little meat to it, something that I could actually get my teeth into. You are right about one thing though, the BBC is a publicly funded organisation. There are pros and cons to this but to suggest that it a mouthpiece for the government is widely off the mark. The BBC has questioned the government intensively over its position on the war. The fact that it has not followed the government's line does give it some degree of credibility. Having worked in the States I can tell you that there is not one news channel in the US which comes even close to providing the kind of professional service that the BBC does. This is not one up manship, it is fact and being Australian I can assure you that I have no motive to favour one over the other. It is content and output at the end of the day. I am not aware of any personal attacks, poking a little fun at your name and tearing your arguments apart does not amount to "ad hominem". If someone refutes your argument, do not take it personally for it is the issue at stake that matters. If I read something which I deem to be bullshit, then I will let you know, such as in this case. Also, I asked you where you got your news from? But a yet you have not answered! Are you a journalist, amateur hack? Surely you should question your government's motives rather than accepting everything they tell you as verbatim. I have a little latin as well, not much but some. Perhaps we could spice things up and debate in french or German comme tu preferes! Be careful of whom you accuse of making "quasi intellectual stabs" when you put yourself forward they way you do, because believe me it wouldn't take long cutting you down to size.

Posted by: James at November 17, 2004 10:48 AM (4PPsx)

17 You are right about one thing though, the BBC is a publicly funded organisation. There are pros and cons to this but to suggest that it a mouthpiece for the government is widely off the mark. I said they're a mouthpiece for the institutionalized left, not "the government," (although they are reliably "statist") to whom they're currently opposed. The fact that you don't grasp that rather obvious distinction tells me you aren't really "in the game." I am not aware of any personal attacks, poking a little fun at your name and tearing your arguments apart does not amount to "ad hominem". You haven't even addressed my arguments, let alone torn any apart. Basically what you've done is pretty much what your beloved BBC does. That is it simply effects an air of rhetorical superiority and assumes that's an argument. It's what all ancien regimes do, from the lofty perch of their fantasy world. One last thing, as a self proclaimed expert on all things foreign I would have thought a man(perhaps you are a woman, no offence intended regadless of your gender) as well informed as yourself would have known the difference between a toff and a sab. I didn't understand the remark at all in any context and a friend who is an English teacher could make head nor tail of it either, that is, neither of have a clue what you are talking about! Well, I haven't proclaimed m'self an "expert on all things foreign." But beyond that I can't parse your language, so perhaps you should consult your english teacher again. You seem to be ambiguously saying that you understand that statement (you could make head nor tail of it," whatever that means), and you also seem to think I wrote it, in spite of the fact that I make it rather clear that I'm quoting a friend. I expect what he's saying is that your run-a-the-mill leftist is both an elitist and a hypocrite about the very values that he/she loftily recommends to others. But his statement didn't make that point with nearly as much dramatic clarity as have you. Be careful of whom you accuse of making "quasi intellectual stabs" when you put yourself forward they way you do, because believe me it wouldn't take long cutting you down to size. Heh. I'm not even sure they rise to the "quasi-intellectual" level. More like quasi-arguments. I get my news from a variety of sources, right across the spectrum. The difference is that I don't give the statist sources (CBC, BBC, and some of the Arab press) as much credibility as they seem to believe they merit. And they've become so predictable that watching them is an exercise in staying awake. By virtue of Tim Groseclose's Hoover media study we know that the average mainstream US media outlet is approximately a standard deviation to the left of the average American viewer (by two different but analogous independent metrics similar to the ADA scale). This, while Fox Special Report and Drudge come out less than a half a standard deviation to the right of the average viewer. Now, that tells me that if you genuinely want to cultivate an unbiased perspective relative to an American audience you ought to be watching about twice as much Fox as CBS. And the various defamatory state medias, like the BBC, just have a certain novelty value... like watching a slow motion train wreck. But the truth is, I get more and more of my news from the internet, especially regarding what's happening "on the ground" in Iraq, where BEEB reporters never tread in any case. There are numerous "milblogs" that include both direct accounts from the field as well as coherent discussion of strategy. I often wonder how one could possibly figure out what's going on in Iraq without reading The Belmont Club. You'd obviously assume things were going to hell in a handbasket if all you saw were MSM accounts. The notion that there are a series of towns stretching to the Syrian border that might represent the supply lines of the "insurgency" would simply shock the average BEEB viewer, becaues it suggests that the Coalition is actually using a coherent strategy to militarily destroy the enemy. And we all know, by definition, that can't happen. Why history tells us that such feats haven't been possible for 2500 years, if at all. (Or was that the conquest of Afghanistan?) Have you forgotten all the ominous hand-wringing that went on prior to that invasion? Well, that's human nature, I guess. You guys are a hoot. Seriously. Now tell me again what an intellectual giant you are, compared to the rest of us meeses. I need a knee-slapper while I'm drinking my morning coffee and mate, in my neon PJs.

Posted by: Demosophist at November 19, 2004 08:40 AM (OtR16)

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November 09, 2004

Can't Win Fer Losin'

by Demosophist

I'm just guessing, but I figure Ken Layne's Jesusland essay is where a lot of folks who've all but disappeared around the bend are getting their vitriolic edge concerning the sinister impending Christian theocracy. But if you're just tired of all this cr@p, and want a good chuckle, check out the Google ads on the lower left of the page. (Hat tip: Gerard)

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)

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Islamic Army in Iraq Using Unmanned Airplanes

This is an archive page. For the latest news about communiques and videos coming from terrorists in Iraq, please go to the MAIN PAGE HERE.
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The new website for the Islamic Army in Iraq had this picture posted at their website. On closer inspection, their new weapon seems to be nothing more than a model airplane. I guess you could strap some dynamite on to it..... The Islamic Army in Iraq operates south of the Sunni triangle. Allied forces should be on the lookout for these airplanes.

If anyone would like to translate, I'd love to hear the threat that went along with this.

UPDATE: We have a translation--this is really a plane they shot down. See this post.

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1 Looks like this is where pseudo-guerilla warfare is heading.

Posted by: SparseMatrix at November 09, 2004 04:54 PM (935pb)

2 "It's a bird!" "It's a plane!" "It's, it's....Zorro?!" Notice how these cowardly motherfuckers never take off their masks? Speaking of masks, while I was shopping for my 11 yr. old for a Halloween costume, it amazed me seeing how many Ninja type outfits were in the stores. These damned things look the same as the terrorists! I think they should be banned....some of these were sold in adult sizes too....scarey!

Posted by: Laura at November 09, 2004 05:16 PM (ptOpl)

3 I just knew they were gonna bring their air force out of hiding!

Posted by: Dick at November 09, 2004 05:32 PM (hu9UN)

4 More proof that Islamic fundamentalism is bankrupt - this is totally like those South-sea islander "Cargo-Cults". During WWII they saw Americans come flying in on airplanes, and the airplanes bring LOTS of goods and materials. It was a Magical moment in time, but then we left and all the stuff stopped coming. So, they want "The Plane!" to come again and bring them stuff. They built a "runway" - a long thin clearing in the jungle with torches as runway-lights. They built a hut on stilts for a man to sit in, like a control tower, with bamboo sticks on top that look like an antenna. They preform rituals like talking into a microphone-stick. But the planes don't come...

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 09, 2004 06:03 PM (04TFv)

5 Rusty, mang: love to translate it. But I need a link :-)

Posted by: evariste at November 09, 2004 06:03 PM (W7+m3)

6 It says, "WE'RE F**KED!!!" I agree - they're f**ked.

Posted by: Editor at November 09, 2004 06:33 PM (adpJH)

7 Rusty: Some good news. Mark Walker has been caught. He's been hiding in Mexico. He's the Texas jerk that has been selling bullet proof vests and night vison goggles to the ISLAMIC terrorists. Arafat, Fallujah, now Walker. I'm having a very good day.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 09, 2004 07:26 PM (9chNR)

8 What would be the power source for these magnificant flying machines? Big rubberbands?? A sling shot??

Posted by: owoju at November 09, 2004 08:17 PM (N4SKL)

9 You Infidels had just better watch out now!!!!!! We gots our OWN air force. Yes, it's a shitty, muslim-type air force, but you American scum had just better watch out Achmed

Posted by: BooManChu at November 09, 2004 10:17 PM (L4m7k)

10 Thought I would pass on a comment someone made to me today about the idiot with the plane. Look at this asshole with the plane,all gooned up, thinking to himself,arent I just the hard man,look at me people.Doesnt it just make you want to get a hold of this turkey,give him a good shake, slap him across the face ,then just beat the shit out of him!Are these shit bags for reel or what!

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 02:26 AM (qppWD)

11 He's thinking, why did the US preemptively, unilaterally attack Iraq? They must have been really eager to create terrorists. I know I myself personally did not become a terrorist until after the invasion. I used to have a humble lifestyle. It wasn't much. To be honest, it SUCKED really. But I certainly never thought much about martyring myself in the name of killing a**hole Americans. It's really fascinating to me how eager America is to create anti-American terrorists around the world. I've never really been one to strap explosives to my chest. Always been a bit of a geek, if you must know. I have the entire second season of Deep Space Nine memorized. So I figured what the hell, I'll see what I can do to help the cause with these old plastic models I have lying around. Come to think of it, these were given to me by my favorite uncle from America. How ironic. Well, cross your fingers. Doubt if this s**t will work, but I can always hope. p.s. Betcha didn't know we had vegetation this lush in our country. Just goes to show, not everything is quite what it appears. Well, I'm off to f**k some s**t up. Probably die in the process. Ciao.

Posted by: or perhaps at November 10, 2004 05:23 AM (eCUWq)

12 ""I've never really been one to strap explosives to my chest. Always been a bit of a geek, if you must know. I have the entire second season of Deep Space Nine memorized."" Yeah, I'll laugh all day over that one.

Posted by: Dick at November 10, 2004 05:58 AM (hu9UN)

13 Next they'll be attacking on pogo sticks.

Posted by: Jane at November 10, 2004 07:44 AM (+7VNs)

14 Gee, wonder what Allawi will do now? I just heard on the news this morning that they got two of his relatives....one's a 75 yr. old first cousin and his closest friend! They will be killed unless he releases prisoners. This will be really interesting to see what develops now.

Posted by: Laura at November 10, 2004 07:52 AM (ptOpl)

15 Hey to say it but they are dead meat already. Either that or Allawi orders withdrawal(and pigs mighy fly)and the whole thing falls appart.

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 07:30 PM (qRM5y)

16 oops:meant to type Hate

Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 07:32 PM (qRM5y)

17 GOD, HOW PRIMITIVE...SHIT LITTLE CARDBOARD PLANES....MARTYRES GOING TO PARADISE...ALLAH...WHAT PLANET ARE THESE MUSLIMS ON?...NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THEY ARE COWARDS ASWELL....BALACAVAS...RUNNING AWAY OUT OF FALLUJAH....BRAIN DEAD MULSIMS, MAN.

Posted by: karl at November 11, 2004 03:15 PM (PM/BC)

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Christianity is Just Like Islam

Oh, I forgot about that. And that.

Hat tip, I mean 'Thanks for the Memory' to Brian B.

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1 Tim McVeigh wasn't exactly what I would call the CHRISTIAN right, but he was avenging the FBI's take-out of David Koresh's Branch Dividian Complex. Koresh was definitely a fringe part of the quirky, crazy Christian right. Those guys were planning to rip s**t up up when their date for Armageddon arrived in a few years. Then there's our favorite anti-abortionist psychopath, Paul Hill. He's a hero to many of the crazed anti-abortionists, who by the way send more anthrax-threat-letters than any other group in the world. (Congratulations on that, by the way.) One of Bush's close political allies from his days as governor of Texas is Pat Robertson. Roberston says, "This whole thing [the preparation for Armageddon] is now in place. It can happen anytime to fulfill Ezekiel. It is ready to happen... The United States is in that Ezekiel passage, and we are standing by." If you happen to be one of those who voted for Bush but are NOT part of the loony Christian right, Robertson is referring to his belief that very soon the world will be destroyed, and a great battle between good and evil will take place in which all Jews are either killed or converted to Christianity, and most of the other people are pretty much just killed. As Billy Graham, Bush's mentor, tells us, we should "welcome [Christ's] return instead of fearing it." David Allen Lewis, who graduated from the Bible college John Ashcroft's father used to run, embellishes a bit. "God is looking for participants, not spectators in the end time drama." Amy Smithson has done some research on terrorism. Here's what she says about one of the underlying motivations for many of the terrorist groups that have a Christian bent: "Some of these religious groups adhere to apocalyptic and millenarian philosophies. Those in the first category concentrate on a preordained catastrophic event they believe will result in the end of mankind; those in the latter think that this horrible event will be their passage to a utopian-type afterlife. In the 1990s, Christian Identity groups asserted that the period of tribulation, the prelude to the apocalypse and the reign of Christ in the new millennium, was underway." But if lots of stuff gets blown up, it's not really that big a deal, because Jesus comes and takes away all the good guys (a.k.a. the Jews don't make it, sorry, and neither do the Hindus, the Muslims, the Buddhists...well, you get the picture). As Bush-ally Jerry Falwell says, "I'm not worried. You know why? I ain't gonna be here." David Koresh couldn't have said it better himself! (Koresh, by the way, was surprised by the FBI raid. He'd been expecting the final showdown to occur in Jerusalem a few years later, not in Waco, Texas! If he'd finished stocking up on AK-47's and whatnot, that good ole fashioned Texas shootout might have gone a little better for him and his family of friendly neighborhood wack-jobs.)

Posted by: yeah well at November 10, 2004 06:02 AM (eCUWq)

2 Wait, now that I'm reminiscing about my favorite Christian terrorism, my mind eases gently down memory lane, back to the 80's, when a man by the name of Ariel Sharon, then Israel's defense minister, permitted a Lebanese Christian militia to slaugher hundreds of Palestinian refugees in cold blood. When they left, dead Palestinian bodies were strewn everywhere. Yes, sir, them were the days. What ever happened to that Sharon kid anyways? Anybody keep track?

Posted by: yeahwell at November 10, 2004 08:52 AM (eCUWq)

3 Medicate much, trollie?

Posted by: SparseMatrix at November 10, 2004 09:57 AM (935pb)

4 Dammit..... If I had known BUSH was not catholic I would have voted for Kerry..... NOT...lol Andrea

Posted by: Andrea at November 10, 2004 11:06 AM (+7VNs)

5 Another one that needs quit taking whatever he's taking. As near as I can figure he does'nt care for Christians because they're going to heaven and not taking everyone with them. LOL, this is getting crazy. They must have unsupervised computers in the nut houses these days.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 11, 2004 04:58 PM (eVGfQ)

6 There are computers in jail too!

Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 12:28 PM (ptOpl)

7 Anyone that disbelieves in armageddon is sorely mistaken. Islam and the west will be at war. The arabs will attack the Jews and the a-bombs will explode with great wrath while Jesus return with glory to judge man based on what he or she has done good or bad in the flesh. Even the Jews accnowlidge Jesus, they just don't accept him as the messiah because of tradition even though he's mentioned in prophecy several times in the old testament (Issaih ch 53, Daniel) Be ready for it.

Posted by: Ivan at January 04, 2005 08:40 PM (CnNYg)

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Election Vindicates Jacksonian Views?

Now the election is over and the fallout is in the process of settling down, a retrospective.

First, I have made only one public post, and that was on September 16th. In this post, I (Bravo Romeo Delta) made two predictions, one of which turned out to be true:

"I officially announce the upcoming Presidential Election to be over."

The other prediction was that it would be a 10 point Bush win was just plain stupid. A milder prediction I've been making in other circles is that the election wouldn't be that close - the polls would make fools of us all. As it turns out, it was closer than I expected, but at the end of the day, the (exit) polls did make fools of us all. Doc Jawa has a very interesting analysis of that whole fracas.

But all that said, let's dig into some of the more interesting bits of this car wreck we call democracy.
more...

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1 My choice won, can we get on now? Im sick of the analyis, its a done deal....so can we get on now? Did I ask if we can get on now?

Posted by: Susan at November 09, 2004 03:56 PM (3pOYP)

2 I am confused as to whether or not you are referring to one of our founding fathers or the 45-year-old Man-boy poster child freak star.

Posted by: Scott S at November 09, 2004 04:06 PM (1/Smr)

3 So far I'm only responding to posters whose names begin with "S". Susan - I'm not really sure that I understand what you're getting at. I know it sounds crazy but after nearly two years of campaigning, I can only assume that you think you've had enough analysis. That's crazy talk, I tell you! Scott - that would be Andrew Jackson - not the creepy thing-creature.

Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at November 09, 2004 04:15 PM (9X/fX)

4 wouldn't that be "Jacksonian"?? just askin...

Posted by: Rusty at November 09, 2004 04:21 PM (JQjhA)

5 Damn you, Rusty - you and your fancy "spelling".

Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at November 09, 2004 04:27 PM (9X/fX)

6 I kinda felt like the purple map was an attempt by the media to not make it look like the vast majority of the country voted for Bush. After all, on first viewing, the red/blue map does look proBush. When you think a little bit though...

Posted by: mls at November 10, 2004 03:17 AM (QUoOh)

7 Its a Blog site so I was Blogging, now let me enjoy my new found freedom. I say what I feel at the time and did just that. Yes I guess I am sick of certain things, but something keeps me coming back here. I voted for Bush, glad he won, proud of my decision, I'm just wanting to get on with what will happen tomorrow thats all

Im a simple girl really, just wanting the world to be "ok" if there could be such a thing. I want my husband home from Iraq (Did I say I miss him terribly???) and I want my son to know his father. I may not make sense, but what does anymore.

Have a good day fellow Bloggers!

Posted by: Susan at November 10, 2004 07:17 AM (3pOYP)

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Taliban Threatens to Behead Female UN Worker on Video

Last week the Taliban took 3 UN election workers hostage and released a video of them pleading for their lives [earlier post here]. The hostages are Annetta Flanigan from Northern Ireland, Shqipe Hebibi from Kosovo, and Angelito Nayan from the Phillipines. I have previously noted that the deadline set by the Taliban terrorists for their demands to be met had passed. Luckily, the deadline seems to move back at a constant rate. Today, a a spokesperson for the terrorists threatened to behead Shqipe Hebibi tomorrow. Reuters:

Another militant spokesman, Mullah Sabir Momin, had said Hebibi would be killed first and the "beheading" shown on video. "The decision on the other two will be taken after seeing the reaction of the Afghan government and the U.N.," he said.
Momin said Hebibi seemed the most important hostage. "She says she is a Muslim. If a Muslim helps infidels or America, that Muslim will be punished first."

Let's keep her in our prayers. (Does the head actually have to come off a hostage before Reuters will call the person a terrorist?)

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Another Beheading in Thailand

News24

Suspected Islamic militants beheaded a 60-year-old Buddhist labourer in Thailand's south in the second such slaying to avenge the deaths of 85 Muslims at the hands of security forces last month, police said on Tuesday....

Hat tip to Greyrooster. There's more below. more...

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1 Since, our liberal monitors have informed us repeatedly that what is going on in the world today is not a religious war, It must be pure coincidence that the rebels killed in Thailand were muslims.

Posted by: greyrooster at November 09, 2004 03:10 PM (2R1MG)

2 If they want holy war, give them nuclear holy war! Give them mecca, medina and every major muslim city turned into a green glowing glass parkinglot! KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL! Spare nothing living that wears a towel for a hat!

Posted by: Andre at November 09, 2004 03:24 PM (hD5mx)

3 "If they want holy war, give them nuclear holy war! Give them mecca, medina and every major muslim city turned into a green glowing glass parkinglot! KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL! Spare nothing living that wears a towel for a hat!" What was I worried about? See, Bush supporters are just as level-headed as any other guys on the planet. We can all rest-assured that we're in good hands. You'll have to excuse me for now, however. I haven't finished digging my underground bunker.

Posted by: trr at November 10, 2004 06:09 AM (eCUWq)

4 A few Bush administration goals, as revealed in a leaked memo: - increase beheadings around the world - any psychopaths around the world who DON'T hate America, do something to provoke them so that WE become their target - create a medieval-era rift between Christianity and Islam - divide America as much as possible - cause our allies to intensely distrust us - make the government money flow like Niagara; thrift and prudence is for p**sies - kill the separation between church and state, the most fundamental tenet of American democracy Wow. I'd say they're doing pretty well, wouldn't you?

Posted by: trr at November 10, 2004 06:18 AM (eCUWq)

5 Just another example of the barbaric behavior typical of muslim terrorists. Not all muslims are terrorists but so far all the terrorists have been muslims. Hmm...what a coincidence!

Posted by: satan_usa at December 29, 2004 06:15 AM (lgcmG)

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