August 08, 2005
So Long, and Thanks for All The Nukes: Religion of Peace Update
Today's visual is brought to you by Emperor Misha I. If he gets a fatwa before me there will be hell to pay!
Today's thought: Are you a victim of propaganda? Ask yourself this question: Who did we fight in WWII? If you answered the Nazis, you are a victim of propaganda. Remember, there were no Nazi armies. There were German armies. By distinguishing between good German soldiers and bad Nazis, Americans were able to reconcile themselves with our new found West German allies in the midst of the Cold War imperitive. Discuss amongst yourselves.
Tatooine:
It looks like the Board of Directors of The al-Qaeda Organization in The Land of Two Rivers, Inc., might be looking to replace current CEO and Chief Head Chopper, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. (Hat tip: Flopping Aces)
Wait, you mean there might be a Saudi connection to the London bombings? I find that awfully hard to believe. Probably a Zionist disinformation plot.
*Shocking* news: Al Qaeda magazine published openly in Turkey.
London conspirators indicted and extradited. Do they have bitches in British prisons?
Q: What qualifications do you need to run a ministry in a corrupt Gulf country?
A: See here.
Who needs to nuke Mecca when the Saudis seem intent on destroying it themselves?
Netanyahu quits over Gaza Pullout. I thought pulling out was only a sin in Catholocism, but not Judaism?
Are oppressed Iranian bloggers trying to take out oppressive Iranian judges? Now this is the kind of vigilantiasm I can support.
Dhimmis:
George Galloway, jackass? Yeah, but traitor is a more accurate word.
The Savior Sect issues fatwa saying it's o.k. for terrorists to be welfare recipients.
Treason? Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Bitches! From today's news it seems we may have to remove the UK from our list of dhimmi countires.
The French are not as dhimmifide as they act. The French may have actually found the winning strategy. I'm not kidding. They act like dhimmis in public, but domestically crack down on Islamists in such a way that would make the ACLU cringe. And remember, the French equivelant of the CIA has a domestic arm and police power.
Domestic Dhimmis & Stuff:
Peter Jennings is dead, and Mike King scooped the MSM by more than a day. Too many links to keep track of. Let me just say this on behalf of Jennings: Born Canadian, died American.
Stop the ACLU notes that the Florida Supreme Court has a scheme for taxpayer support of the ACLU.
Mmmmm, fried chicken tastes better at a PETA protest.
Since I'm 1/16th Native-American, I can't be racist. Right? PS-I'm not Cherokee, but I wish I was.
Blog Propaganda:
Althouse & McArdle I can understand, but not you Totten. Say it isn't so? Sellout. (super-secret message to Totten: Babe-pics + Puppy-blender = Mucho-grande linkage)
Blogfather Charles Johnson vs. former University of Colorado President Elizabeth Hoffman. Charles wins in first round.
Hawkins is late to figure out that Hot Chicks (even fictional ones) + Pics + Blogging = Hits. On a related note, Witty Sex Kitten has retired from blogging, but Alexa, the vixen behind A New York City Escort's Confessions is back, er, blogging that is. (hat tip: Rob Port)
This weeks RINO sightings are up at Searchlight Crusade.
Gaijin Biker has a new site and now has trackbacks and other useful thingies. Remember, if you are a blogger you need trackbacks. Trackbacks get you attention and tie you into the community. Unless you are a hot chick that blogs naked they are essential tool for succesful blogging.
Q: What do Bea Arthur, Luke Skywalker, and Phin have in common?
A: Llama Butchers.
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Thanks Rusty but I feel somewhat better knowing there is someone else to still get your dirty kicks from. And I'm terribly sorry that pyramid sex scheme of yours won't work out either. Have to get your 1/3 crazy blog money elsewhere.
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Thanks for the link Rusty.
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Holy cow so many links so little time.
Posted by: Howie at August 08, 2005 02:09 PM (D3+20)
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Thanks for the linkie, stinky.
Posted by: Jane at August 08, 2005 03:46 PM (ywZa8)
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Just picking nits here, but the casual perusal of a map would suggest that Yemen--the country that Jane was blogging about--is not actually on the Persian/Arabian Gulf. Other than places like, say Mississippi and Alabama, Texas or Florida, the only "Gulf" countries generally are those on said Persian/Arabian Gulf.
Perhaps "Arabian Peninsula" would have worked better.
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August 02, 2005
On 'The Road Through Syria to Jihad in Iraq' - And Elsewhere
Kevin Kohlman posts on a new guide published on the Internet, in which an alleged former resident of the Iraqi-Syrian border region has
explained in detail for potential foreign fighter recruits how they can enter Iraq and join in the jihad by traveling through neighboring Syria. According to "Al-Muhajir al-Islami", foreign jihadists should travel to the eastern Syrian city of Dayr al-Zawr: "it is recommended to enter the city using a car and do not carry large sums of money. If anyone asks, say you are here on a vacation and have come to go fishing in the Euphrates—therefore, bring some fishing equipment and another person with you so you won’t look suspicious." Recruits are also advised to avoid consulting government-sponsored Muslim clerics in local mosques and only to "approach the Salafist youths" outside of mosques and beyond the prying eyes of Syrian intelligence.
Iraq's interior minister, Bayan Jabr, recently told The Associated Press (if we can believe what they write as being even remotely accurate) in an exclusive interview that Iraq's neighbors — especially Syria and Jordan — must take stronger measures to stem the flow of militants and money for the insurgency from their territory into Iraq, and said he had pictures and addresses of insurgents in Syria. Notably, he said that, "It is not important to capture or not capture al-Zarqawi, the problem is not to let al-Zarqawi get more followers."
And just who are these followers Byan Jabar refers to and what drives them? The answer tells us much of what we're up against in the West, and how dangerous a threat an 'Islam gone amuck' can be!
Those "Salafist youths" referred to by the "alleged former resident of the Iraqi-Syrian border region" in Kevin's post, and others like them around the world, are younger followers of the same belief that drives Usama Bin Ladin and other Islamist terrorist leaders, a belief that draws upon a long tradition of extreme intolerance within one stream of Islam (a minority tradition but fastly becoming more mainstream), from at least Ibn Taimiyyah, through the founders of Wahhabism, through the Muslim Brotherhood, to Sayyid Qutb. Sayyid Qutb eschewed islah (reform) in favour of violent overthrowing of existing political systems, and it is this "political salafism" that has been adopted by terrorist groups and that the free world must defeat.
In its authoritative report on the tragedy of 11th September 2001, the the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States (the 9-11 Commission) summarises the threat from salafist(Islamist) terrorism in Chapter 12 at page 363 in these words:
(...) The catastrophic threat at this moment in history is more specific. It is the threat posed by Islamist terrorism—especially the al Qaeda network, its affiliates, and its ideology.
(...) That stream is motivated by religion and does not distinguish politics from religion, thus distorting both. It is further fed by grievances stressed by Bin Ladin and widely felt throughout the Muslim world—against the U.S. military presence in the Middle East, policies perceived as anti-Arab and anti-Muslim, and support of Israel. Bin Ladin and Islamist terrorists mean exactly what they say: to them America is the font of all evil, the “head of the snake,” and it must be converted or destroyed.
(...) It is not a position with which Americans can bargain or negotiate. With it there is no common ground — not even respect for life — on which to begin a dialogue. It can only be destroyed or utterly isolated (emphasis mine).
Just as with Iraq and expressed so appropriately by it's interior minister, Bayan Jabr, we in the West must stop the flow of potential terrorist into our countries, but we must also identify, kill or capture those already here, and remembering one of the few things that the 9/11 Commission got right, "that there can be no dialogue with these people, they can only be destroyed or utterly isolated," we have no options but to go after the Islamists, the followers of the perversion called Salifism, wherever they are, and capture or kill all of them and all of those that support them. We must bring a halt to right vs. left bickering, and get on the same train to securing the continuence of our civilization and culture.
As a post script, I borrow from the same chapter of the 9/11 Commission Report that the above excerpts are drawn from:
Tolerance, the rule of law, political and economic openness, the extension of greater opportunities to women—these cures must come from within Muslim societies themselves(emphasis mine). The United States must support such developments. But this process is likely to be measured in decades, not years. It is a process that will be violently opposed by Islamist terrorist organizations, both inside Muslim countries and in attacks on the United States and other Western nations. The United States finds itself caught up in a clash within a civilization.
To which I add, and also
a clash between civilizations. Thank you Islam, for bringing this dark deadly cloud to the face of our planet! (sic)
Sources and related reading:
Salafist (Islamist) Ideology
Saudi influences in the Netherlands. Links between the Salafist mission, radicalisation processes and Islamic terrorism.
Iraqi Insurgency Groups
9-11 Commission Report
"Islam, the West, and the World"
Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt
Other coverage - Security Watchtower
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Oh yeah some good reading there. Lots of info to cram into my tiny brain.
Posted by: Howie at August 02, 2005 03:46 PM (D3+20)
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If Tom Cruise isn't busy, maybe he can give then a primer on Scientology?
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August 01, 2005
Religion of Peace(sic) Update - Some Of Today's 'Islamic Terror' - related Activities Around The World
First of all, a visual reminder of the Islamic agenda - courtesy of the AP and CBS (
blogstorm needed), although their intention was
to promote the Islamization of America, not to make us Islamo-aware (info and image
previously posted).

[Image from an AP/CBS article on a phoney fatwa by terrorist supporting Islamists]
Chad at InTheBullPen provides us a very good reminder that, contrary to moonbatism, the Islamofascists were busy at trying to convert the world to Islam through violent jihad, long before Iraq. Read Chad's Bin Laden Funded Jakarta Attack; Iraq as a ‘Cause’ a Shift in Tactics? While at InTheBullPen, Chad also has a piece on Osama Bin Laden directing terrorist attacks within Saudi Arabia that provides us another little reminder that the 'religion of peace(sic)' is more about world domination and politics than theology and spiritual inspiration.
The LA Times has news that some senior authorities say there is enough anecdotal evidence to warrant concern, and suggest that whatever radicalized the British bombers could presumably also motivate Americans who have embraced Islamic extremist views expressed on websites and chat rooms, in radical mosques and elsewhere. (so when is this news and when have we had any doubts about terror cells in the U.S.? )
Victor Comras has a piece at TheCounterterrorism Blog on the funding of Iraqi insurgents coming from wealthy private donors in the Middle East and elsewhere, as well as former elements of Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime. Apparently, some experts speculated at the time of the first Gulf War that Saddam had over $5 billion stashed away in addition to the $5 billion Iraqi assets located at that time. Since then, Saddam and his cronies may have raked in more than $7-10 billion through various schemes, kickbacks, extortions, and other illicit methods. The oil for food scams were only one such source of SaddamÂ’s money. And very little of this money has yet been accounted for. (in other words, the insurgency is well funded, it's leaders are well protected in Syria, and the killing isn't going away anytime soon unless we can dry up the funds and bring a halt to Syria's participation in the terror in Iraq, and, you better believe it - elsewhere as well!)
The TimesOnline.com (UK) offers up the good news that over the past fortnight Israeli intelligence agents have noticed something distinctly odd happening on the internet - one by one, Al-QaedaÂ’s affiliated websites have vanished until only a handful remain. (Oh heck, how could that be? Must be those pesky 'British Intelligence' folks!)
"Someone has cut the line of communication between the spiritual leaders(now that's a sick as hell connotation - since when is there anything 'spiritual' about murder and mayhem?) of international terrorism and their supporters." Apparently, since 9/11 the websites have been the main links to disseminate propaganda and information to Islamofascists around the world.
The News.Telegraph tells us that Scotland Yard is investigating evidence that the two waves of terrorist attacks on London this month may have been masterminded from Saudi Arabia. (Seems as though we;ve been down this road before.)
The News.telegraph.com also provides a handy "London terror factfile" for a review of most of the happenings related to the London attacks.
Sky News reports that London police are still on high alert amid fears that a third terrorist cell could be plotting another strike on the capital. Thousands of officers are on the streets and guarding Tube and overland rail stations as the huge security operation continues. (As with the Lodi case in the U.S., we're barely seeing the tip of the iceberg relative to the number of potential terrorists and existing cells in Britain)
In the Middle East Times we see that Iraqi women are split over how great a role Islam should play in the new constitution, currently being drafted in parliament, with some fearing "a return to the Dark Ages". An early draft of the constitution published in the local Al Sabah newspaper on Tuesday made clear that Islam is to be "the official religion of the State" and "the main source of legislation".

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Apparently Iraq's women are split over Sharia becoming the law in Iraq, and wouldn't be too happy about this becoming the dress code for women. I wonder how well this would go over with American women?)The text of the document is supported by the conservative Shia majority in Iraq's parliament, and reads "No law that contradicts the universally agreed tenets of Islam may be enacted." But it's still up for discussion by a parliamentary committee and subject to revision. The parliamentary speaker, Hajim Al Hasani, has made it clear that he doesn't believe that it means the rule of Sharia, or Islamic law, and has said that he thinks there's an agreement [in parliament] that they should not include Sharia in the constitution." Luckily for the women, he says that "There are different interpretations of Sharia law," so "why open that door"? (But many of the women want no part of even thinking about sharia, and if that's coming from Muslim women, we all better think a little harder about that Islamic agenda we keep hearing about and work together a lot harder to prevent the AP/CBS's new flag for America becoming a reality!)
In what I consider the MUST READ of the day, there's an opinion piece in The Middle East Times by Youssef M. Ibrahima, former Middle East correspondent for The New York Times, energy editor of the Wall Street Journal, and managing director of the Dubai-based Strategic Energy Investment Group, entitled "The Muslim Mind Is On Fire."
(...) The world of Islam is on fire. Indeed, the Muslim mind is on fire. Above all, the West is now ready to take both of them on.
(...) The only accomplishment of jihadis is that now they have aroused the great "Western Tiger". There was a time when the United States and Europe welcomed Arab and Muslim immigrants, visitors and students, with open arms. London even allowed all dissidents escaping their countries to preach against those countries under the guise of political refugees.
(...) Well, that is all over now. Time has become for the big Western vengeance.
The most important message to both the Islamists AND the naysayer moonbats in the West, particularly the members of the KOS-set, comes in Ibrahima's closing in which he writes:
I fear those naïve Muslims who think that they are beating the West have now achieved their worst crime of all. The West is now going to war against not only Muslims, but also, sadly, Islam as a religion.
In this new cold and hot war, car bombs and suicide bombers here and there will be no match for the arsenal that those Westerners are putting together - an arsenal of laws, intelligence pooling, surveillance by satellites, armies of special forces and indeed, allies inside the Arab world who are tired of having their lives disrupted by demented so-called jihadis or those bearded preachers who, under the guise of preaching, do little to teach and much to ignite the fire, those who know little about Islam and nothing about humanity.
To recap, from 'us Westerners' the Islamists face an arsenal of laws, intelligence pooling, surveillance by satellites, armies of special forces and indeed, allies inside the Arab world who are tired of having their lives disrupted by demented so-called jihadis or those bearded preachers who, under the guise of preaching, do little to teach and much to ignite the fire, those who know little about Islam and nothing about humanity.
So isn't time that we get on with it? Maybe I should re-phrase that with - LETS GET IT ON! It's time to light up a heck of a lot more than the Muslim mind. It's time to shut down mosques with jihadi-preaching imams, profile people likely to commit acts of terror - not little old ladies and the like, stop allowing Islamic immigrants in the country and kick the ones that are here and have doubtful ambitions - out of the country to their country of origin, shut down our borders tighter than Fort Knox, stalk terrorists and kill them wherever they are, seek out terrorist sancturaries and destroy them, shut down terrorist funding and make the act a life sentence, let Syria and Iran know in no uncertain terms that if they don't stop supporting terrorism and the Iraqi insurgency - they're next, and most of all, somehow convince the Democrats that our lives depend on us working together and that they should think less like a moonbat and more like an American.
Cross posted by Hyscience
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Islamocognition - Thanks to the muslims who quote the qu'ran, while commiting atrocities in the name of Allah, the world is gaining an awareness of islam's violent history and declared expansionist goals.
/The image of the islamic American flag is nauseating and offensive to me.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at August 01, 2005 03:21 PM (LNA9X)
Posted by: Howie at August 01, 2005 04:14 PM (D3+20)
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Every man who supports sharia should have a bhurka stuck in their face and be forced to wear it for a year.
Posted by: Ren at August 01, 2005 05:13 PM (a9tRx)
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This story was linked in the comments section of blackfive, it is about a Malaysian he is being persecuted for Apostasy, I guess it does not pay to turn your back on Islam in a country dominated by it.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/8/1/nation/11646196&sec=nation
Posted by: dave at August 01, 2005 05:38 PM (DO6vD)
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good article by the WSJ guy. thanks for posting that.
Posted by: Mr. K at August 01, 2005 05:47 PM (VudXl)
Posted by: Mighty Whitey at August 01, 2005 06:28 PM (ZB+sr)
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If the Jihadis get what they want they might be surprised (or better not even that).
A fraction of the waepons arsenal of the west can eliminate the muslim world in a matter of a few hours. If they really look to become martyrers that might be the easiest thing to help them go to hell ....aehh... heaven.
Posted by: Werner at August 01, 2005 11:58 PM (WI0gy)
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The hardest part will be convinceing the democrats not to act like moonbats.
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July 29, 2005
July 28, 2005
Muslims Get Nasty When Others Eat Pork
(Genting Highlands, Malaysia) It seems the followers of Islam can easily show contempt for people who eat pork.
The Muslims on staff at the First World Hotel in Genting Highlands showed their disrespect for 600 Chinese tourists by imprinting their meal tickets with images of pig's heads. Scuffles even broke out between the Muslims and the pork-loving Chinese visitors.
The hotel denied any racism was involved and apologized. Nonetheless, it appears that believers in the religion of peace become less peaceful when they smell pork cooking. And, it also seems the Muslims get nasty even when neither Americans nor Iraqis nor Brits are involved.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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>>>The hotel denied any racism was involved and apologized.
Because there was no racism involved. It's muslim porkism.
Posted by: Carlos at July 28, 2005 05:42 PM (8e/V4)
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its only a matter of time before the Muslims make a HUGE mistake and try and take on China....id buy tickets for that fight....
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 06:01 PM (9gFP6)
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I respect your blogging abilities, but I don't like anything else about you.
Posted by: slanderpants at July 28, 2005 06:08 PM (jWaQK)
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No racism here. Just muslims showing their inability to get along with others.
Gee whiz: Where have we heard that before.
Posted by: Greyrooster at July 28, 2005 07:41 PM (CBNGy)
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I know, I know. Missed the question mark, but I'm celebrating big time. Wife! mix me another.
Question? If retalitation against the families of those who killed other innocent family members happened would we be as bad as they? Or merely protecting our families from future attacks?
If the terrorists knew their families would be at risk would they leave their little bombs?
Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 07:49 PM (CBNGy)
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that worked for the Macedonians back during the times of Alexander the Great and his father Philip...the Macedonains would do that to traitors...execute the traitor than his/her entire family to prevent revenge killings ....seems to have worked for them though i would have to say that for the 21st century its very brutal
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 08:51 PM (9gFP6)
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Maybe someone just needs to point out to these primates that humankind has learned how to properly preserve and prepare foods that once were known to become easily contaminated and disease bearing.
The only reason religions ever declared certain foods "unclean" was simply due to a little "cause and effect" observational study... eating roadkill off the desert floor makes you sick, don't eat it; eating pork after it's been rotting in the sun for a few days makes you sick, don't eat it; CAMEL MEAT is good, clean fun... chow down!
Kinda like the Jews and circumcision... surely no one believes they did that to themselves because it was fun? It's all about sanitation and good health.
Posted by: Jonathan Murray at July 28, 2005 11:47 PM (7D30s)
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There is nothing wrong with pork meat; you just have to cook it well. Even more when you prepare chicken, they walking around in there own shit to and even eat it. But the Muslim brother doesnÂ’t seem to have a problem with that.
Posted by: Dan at July 29, 2005 02:06 AM (lSkty)
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 29, 2005 03:56 AM (ScqM8)
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I love a good pork chop.
Posted by: Howie at July 29, 2005 09:39 AM (D3+20)
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Cookin ribs tonite! Go USA.
Posted by: babs at July 29, 2005 10:35 AM (5VBrK)
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Hope the muslims never eat ribs and pork chops. It would raise the price.
Jonathan Murray is correct. That's exactly where it started.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 30, 2005 04:26 AM (CBNGy)
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All of your comments are so enlightening. You guys must be proud of yourselves.
Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2005 02:55 AM (i5BpO)
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FYI, i am a Malaysian passing by here, wanna tell you all that almost all Hotels in our country serve halal food ONLY, so no need to draw pigs to distinguish btw halal and non halal food. 'Pig' is the biggest insult a wee brain mussy can throw at ppl, so serve them racist-mussy- pigs right to get a beating from the China aka new big Bully on the Block. FYI also my mussy frens eat pork as long as you don tell them its pork, just call it Char Sew, or Roast xxx Shank or any pork-free name.
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On 'The roots of Islamic terrorism'
It was bound to happen sooner or later - finally, it appears that we are begining to see a few rays of truth about Islamic terrorism appear on the printed pages of the mainstream media, and albeit it's an opinion piece, nonetheless, it's a good one and damned timely.
So let's get right to the point:
Islam is linked from the beginning with the practice of divinely sanctioned warfare and lethal injunctions against apostates and unbelievers. Islam experienced no period of wandering and exclusion; from its inception, Islam formed a unitary state bent on military conquest.
Writing in The International Herald Tribune, Phillip Blond, a lecturer in philosophy and religion at St. Martin's College, Lancaster, and Adrian Pabst, a research fellow at the Luxembourg Institute for European and International Studies, fire the ball down the court and slam it hard down the throat of the basket.
(...) Most commentators argue that Islamic terrorism is a fanatical perversion of Islam which deviates from its true teachings. They call for a Western-style modernization of the Muslim world, hoping thereby that radical Islam will be tamed.
(...) This analysis misses the point. The nature of the terrorist threat is unambiguously Islamic and is not so much a deviation from Muslim tradition as an appeal to it.
(...) the oft-quoted remark that Islam is a religion of peace is false. It is historically illiterate to claim that war is foreign to Islam and it is theologically uninformed to argue that jihad is merely a personal inner struggle with no external military correlate.
Pinch me, I want to make sure that I'm awake. These guys are making me sound like a whimpy peacenik! (...) The Prophet died a successful military leader who created a single Islamic polity that expanded - through warfare - all over the known world. The caliphate combined the double logic of a religious community and an imperial state.
(...) While the Koran enjoins that there shall be "no compulsion in religion," Islam still regards it as a holy duty to extend militarily the borders of the House of Islam against the demonic world of unbelievers.
(...) When extremists say they are killing in the name of Islam, they are in part appealing to Islamic traditions of long standing.
(...) Al Qaeda sympathizers avidly read European fascist literature and pursue religious ends via atheist methods. Recruits to the cause are not the excluded uneducated poor, they are intellectuals with a radical critique of Western society and its impact on Islam.
(...) there can be no accommodation with an ideology that seeks to fashion the whole world in its own image. The essentially Islamic nature of this terror demands nothing less than a reformation in the name of an alternative Islam.
Read the entire article, then sit back and ask yourself, "isn't time to lock and load?
Cross posted by Hyscience
Hat tip - Mark In Mexico
TAGS: Islam, Muslim, terrorism, Al Qaeda
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Somebody pinch me! Surely I'm dreaming. We have someone who has actually picked up a history book and read it. This is exactly what many of us have been saying since 9/11.
Islam did not spread like other religions, but was spread through military conquest. Kill the infidel and plunder his treasure was the command of Allah, and that was the call for the Muslim for almost 1400 years. Jihad was the economic engine for the Caliphate, first in Damascas, then Bagdad, and later Istanbul. The flow of slaves from Europe was expecially valuble.
I hope it is not too late for Europe to recover from its long sleep. I wonder if the people there have the will it's going to take to survive as a people. We'll see.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2005 04:00 PM (DDXXI)
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and this time there wont be any Mongol hordes to save the day from Europe being conquered
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 28, 2005 04:09 PM (9gFP6)
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Maybe it is time for a period of "wandering and exclusion"? Suits me- just gotta get over our dependence on their oil.
Posted by: Max at July 28, 2005 04:21 PM (HFKAk)
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Max, you hit the nail on the head right there. That is one of the two major problems I have with President Bush. If we had spent half the money on alternate energy research and developement as we have in Iraq, I think we would have made real progress in being energy independent.
The other major problem has to do with the border with Mexico. I am not against immigration, just the uncontrolled mess we have at the border with Mexico. I predict that we will have reason to regret the lack of any security at the border. That goes for the Canadian border, also.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 28, 2005 04:49 PM (DDXXI)
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Does this mean that I am no longer a horrible muslim hater without reason? My God! When I posted that the muslims are nothing but trouble makers where ever they go. Was I correct? I thought that made me a racist who wished to nuke the entire middle east. Genocide was the word. The problem with the news media is that they are 1 year behind the conservative bloggers on the Jawa Report. A wise reporter would surf in here daily and learn from those who care about the future of this great nation.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 08:08 PM (CBNGy)
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A comment on jihadwatch.org suggested that "islamophobia" be replaced with "islamocognition". Prior to 911 I never gave muslims much thought. Now, I have a firm grasp of the purpose of their ideology, and it is more frightening than anything I could have ever imagined.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 28, 2005 08:34 PM (LNA9X)
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I'm retarded. Plus, I fuck hamsters. My, how they bleed
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 29, 2005 02:36 AM (ScqM8)
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 29, 2005 03:57 AM (ScqM8)
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jesuslandjoe...can't disagree with you there.
Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 29, 2005 01:00 PM (5NVVZ)
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Downing Street Moron again. Damn it was so pleasant.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 30, 2005 04:30 AM (CBNGy)
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July 27, 2005
What Drives A Suicide Bomber To Be A Suicide Bomber?
Lori Allen, a University of Chicago anthropology graduate student, conducted research in the West Bank under a Social Science Research Council-GSC Program fellowship and wrote an article that first appeared in Middle East Report 223 (Summer 2002).
In that article she wrote that the "Average Bomber" was not driven to self destruction by dispair, all Palestinians living under 'occupation' are desperate, and that neither does poverty explain the motivation for self destruction (
to which I add - 'and the murder of innocents'), rather, that a combination of faith and conviction motivates (
suicide) bombers: "Religion is the factor that creates the bravery in [the suicide bomber] to be a martyr. And religion makes him (
or her) highly sensitive to the issue of justice [to which I add - a perverted blind since of his/her distorted (by the Islamist's definition and teachings)] view of what constitutes justice.
After reading Lori's article, I reread the words, "Religion is the factor that creates the bravery in the bomber to be a martyr. And religion makes him highly sensitive to the issue of justice." Subsequently, the first thought that came to mind was, "That's one hell of a distortion of reality to get out of a 'religion,' and when did murder, suicide, and maiming innocent people have anything to do with God or a religion? But of course we're not talking about just any religion, where talking about Islam. And, we're in the year 2005, three years after Lori's report, so are the motives the same?
Today, for a more up to date analysis, we can look to Andrew Cochran writing at The CounterTerrorism Blog on his appearance on MSNBC's "Connected" program to discuss the 7/7 London attacks (you can see video of the segment on the linked page). One of his fellow guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has filmed six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the Palestinian areas. Pierre's upcoming film, "Suicide Killers," is based on interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it. It's a post that I think you'll find very interesting and informative.
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Those cursed suicide bombers are blowing things up for clearly secular-nationalist goals.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 27, 2005 09:57 PM (ScqM8)
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"Terrorists may indeed be driven by hate and resentment, but their actions are also determined by geopolitical considerations, as professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, among others, has pointed out. Many terrorists—and they include persons with formal educations—have reasons for carrying out their horrible deeds: “The central fact,” notes Pape, “is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland” (interview in The American Conservative , July 1

. This statement, far from empathy, is an effort to explain terrorism—which we have no choice but to understand if we want to overcome it."
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 27, 2005 10:59 PM (ScqM8)
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Your medication you idiot. Take your medication.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 06:19 AM (eVGfQ)
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KlanRooster,
Racist hog-beating prairie Rove-Bidet, medication will not help you. Only Jesus can bring you back.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 28, 2005 06:30 AM (ScqM8)
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Let me tell you a story:
Once upon a time there was a devoted Muslim, He was a quiet one and never bothered anybody. He prayed 3 times a day towards Mecca, dismissed un-believers and quietly read his Quran. Until one day when an old Muslim friend returning from Afghanistan came by and told him another aspect of Islam. He said; this is how you interpret Jihad and it's something every faithful Muslim must do. Nonsense! would be the first thought that should come to mind he didn't want to kill anybody, but the devouted Muslim had thoroughly read the Quran, memorized every bit and it was all there, he had to do it..
They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
Mein Quran, excerpt 004:089
Comming up next:
DSM manages to get banned from Jawa report, tries to harbour secular suicide bombers and gets beheaded in reward.
Posted by: Ren at July 28, 2005 07:24 AM (a9tRx)
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there is poverty in South America,Central America, Mexico, Africa,and yet i dont see any suicide bombers in those countries???....and also most of these countries are mostly of the Christian faith which prohibits suicide and murder....hmmmm, the Middle East and most of South ASia is what religion????oh yea, ISLAM....and MOST of it is poor, excluding Saudia Arabia and Kuawait which seem to be very well to do including its rulers....gee, ISLAM does allow murder of the infidel, and even though the Koran states that suicide is forbiden it laters says that suicide is okay if done for the glory and spread of ISLAM, so the Muslims have a thin but possible excuse for suicide/mass murder bombings and slaughters....seems to me and many others that the problem is what is taught from the Koran/ISLAM
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July 26, 2005
Terror Report: Another Day In A World Brought Upon Us By Those 'Peaceful' Islamists Our Governments Keep Lying To Us About
First - an update on the Islamists and what the world is and isn't doing about their primitive, base, archaic, and inhuman views, actions, and perversions. (News)
In the name of Allah: A World Bank "Country Assistance Strategies" report on Pakistan estimated that 15-20% of madrassas are involved in military-related teaching and training. The World Bank maintains that the radicalization process started with their politicization during the 1980s.(So we see that the Islamist view of religion is to use God's name to further their political agenda steeped in a perversion of what moderate Muslim's, sitting outside what has become mainstream Islam, view as their faith)
Open Season For Jihadis: KARACHI - Sophisticated terror attacks using the minimum possible resources to target civilians are the issue of the day, whether it be in Egypt, the United Kingdom or Spain. (And the U.S.; I suggest that it's time to make it open season ON jihadis and those even dreaming about it)
Terror war officially recast as 'struggle': The Bush administration is retooling its slogan for the fight against Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, pushing the idea that the long-term struggle is as much an ideological battle as a military mission. (A little late to get started in the right direction, but better late than never!)
Blair: World slept after 9/11 - British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Tuesday that much of the world had dropped its guard to the threat of terrorism after the "wake-up call" of the 9/11 attacks of 2001. (In his saying that "Britain would not give "one inch" to terrorists and said it was time to confront them "on every single level,"" it looks like we've just seen the first yawn in Britain's wake-up to the fact of Islam being a threat to their continued existence, as they now know it,)
Turkey al-Faisal wants intensified search for Bin Laden: The new Saudi Arabian ambassador to the USA, Prince Turkey al-Faisal, called for the deployment of more forces and weapons in the search operation for the leader of al-Qaida movement, Osama Bin Laden. Prince Turkey said that "we know that Bin Laden is in an area where it is very difficult to chase him, and therefore there is a need for more assets, people and ammunition." (Now, let's see if he can walk the walk)
Egypt terror probe widens: Police said Monday they were searching for five Pakistani men in their widening investigation into Egypt's deadliest terror attack, which killed scores of people at this Red Sea resort. (Egyptian authorities continue to portray the Taba bombings as an extension of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, instead of openly recognizing it as a homegrown Islamic militant movement or an al Qaeda-linked operation.)
Islam Dominates Iraq's Draft Constitution: Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation - a departure from the model set down by U.S. authorities during the occupation - according to a draft published Tuesday. The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam" - a requirement that could affect women's rights and set Iraq on a course far different from the one envisioned when U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein. "Islam is the official religion of the state and is the main source of legislation," reads the draft published in the government newspaper Al-Sabah. "No law that contradicts with its rules can be promulgated." (They get the right to vote, then the guys that won the election totally give in to the Sunnis, the guys that wouldn't even show up at the polls, and turn the whole country back to the stone age. Well, that must make sense to somebody, but not me.)
'BIN LADEN'S COCAINE PLOT': Osama bin Laden tried to buy a massive amount of cocaine, spike it with poison and sell it in the United States hoping to kill thousands, according to reports. (Well, it would deter drug use, would it not?)
BLAIR'S ATTACK ON TERROR: The Prime Minister has said Iraq is just an excuse for terrorists, insisting there is no justification for what they do. And he said he wants to "expose the obscenity" of the terrorists' "warped logic". Speaking passionately at his monthly news briefing, he said the roots of terrorism go much deeper than Iraq or Afghanistan.(I think Tony is right-on here, my only question is what logic of the terrorists is he refering to as warped? In my mind, the Islamic terrorists have NO logic or mind to be logical with! They are simply mindless inhuman criminals)
And all of this is happening because of Iraq, you say. Well ....
We all awakened this morning to yet another day of tension in the world brought upon it by a group of people that our governments have been lying to us about for years, telling us over and over about those peaceful, kindly, loving, Islamists.
In case you've been in a cave with no contact with the outside world since the late 1960s, assuming you are old enought to do so, you should recall that it was then that the Palestinian secular movements such as Al Fatah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) began to target civilians outside the immediate arena of conflict.
That was when the creation of Israel gave birth to a series of Marxist and anti-Western transformations and movements throughout the Arab and Islamic world, and it was these nationalist and revolutionary style movements, along with their view that terrorism could be effective in reaching political goals(a key component of the Islamic agenda), that the first phase of modern international Islamic terrorism was established. And ever since that time, the Islamists have been using Israel as one of their excuses for murder and mayhem to further their political agenda throughout the world with the ultimate goal of establishing the Caliphate.
But it was in 1979 that a turning point occured in international terrorism. It was then that throughout the Arab world and the West, the Iranian Islamic revolution sparked fears of a wave of revolutionary Shia Islam. Meanwhile, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the subsequent anti-Soviet mujahedeen war, lasting from 1979 to 1989, stimulated the rise and expansion of terrorist groups. It was the growth of a post-jihad pool of well-trained, battle-hardened militants that began the key trend in the international terrorism and insurgency-related violence that we see today.
It was then that, in a manner that we see repeated today, volunteers from various parts of the Islamic world fought in Afghanistan, supported by conservative countries such as Saudi Arabia. In Yemen, for instance, the Riyadh-backed Islamic Front was established to provide financial, logistical, and training support for Yemeni volunteers. So called "Arab-Afghans" and their counterparts of today, have - and still are - using their experience to support local insurgencies throughout the Middle East, North Africa, Kashmir, Chechnya, China, Bosnia, and the Philippines.
Jumping ahead a few years, we come to Osama bin-Laden. It was on August 23, 1996 that he made the statement, "it is essential to hit the main enemy who divided the Ummah [Arab world] into small and little countries." That enemy, he said, is America and Israel.
With those words, he made it clear that Al-Qaeda's objective is not limited to U.S. withdrawal from the Middle East, the 'out of Iraq' demand made by Islamists and suggested by liberal appeasers of Islamic terrorism. Rather, Al-Qaeda views getting the West to pull out of Iraq and the Middle East as a necessary prerequisite to the attainment of its ultimate goal: the establishment of an Islamist super-state ruled by the harshest version of Islamic law, primed to re-conquer formerly Muslim lands and pursue an aggressive expansionist agenda.
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"In the name of Allah: A World Bank "Country Assistance Strategies" report on Pakistan estimated that 15-20% of madrassas are involved in military-related teaching and training. "
And 100% of the Israeli youth serve in the military.
Posted by: greg at July 26, 2005 04:22 PM (/+dAV)
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And 100 percent of Greg's brain is dog vomit. It is the dog vomit he eats every time he goes to DU(not Ducks Unlimited, a wonderful organization) and Indymedia. He continues to throw up and eat the same dog vomit over and over.
Greg, you idiot, just how many people do you think Israel has? A very small number, so yes, to survive, almost all of Israeli youth serve in the military.
Why don't you go post on your own sucky blog? Or better yet, go smoke some dope with your buddy Downing Street Memo moonbat. Then go to Indymedia and stay there and post with your loser friends.
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Oh, by the way, Greg, you and your loser friends better watch out. Osama has been trying to find a way to poison the cocaine supply. I sure wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you. Regards!
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 26, 2005 04:44 PM (DDXXI)
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Only religious fanatic Bush could take two secular countries where men and women were equal, militarize it, put wackos in power there and then let it be taken over by repressive nutcases. Hint: Mesopotamia is just one, guess the other after you look down at your feet!
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JESUSBOY: Osama has been trying to find a way to poison the cocaine supply."
He'd have better luck with the opium supply that is blooming now in Afghanistan.
Posted by: greg at July 26, 2005 05:01 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 05:07 PM (ScqM8)
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I hope he does poison the cocaine and heroine supply....
Posted by: Mr. K at July 26, 2005 06:12 PM (COM7H)
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'BIN LADEN'S COCAINE PLOT': Osama bin Laden tried to buy a massive amount of cocaine, spike it with poison and sell it in the United States hoping to kill thousands, according to reports.
OMG, that is brilliant! Imagine a world with no stinky stoner hippies! Gee, maybe this Osama dude's not so bad after all.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 26, 2005 06:22 PM (LNA9X)
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Sewermouth Kimberley,
You are such a Coulter wannabe - go to Saudi Arabia and fight your counter-jihad!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 06:29 PM (ScqM8)
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Kimberly, I think you touched a nerve, and I like it! Keep up the great work.
Greg, why don't you answer the question or respond in a logical way to what's being said? I know the answer. You're nothing but a stupid troll, and you should have been banned from this site a long time ago.
Rusty, you are a patient man.
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Haeseussland - Taliban are having a bumper crop of juicy opium poppies, just for you! Too much opium means a lower price and angry warlords. Therefore, UBL wants to divert cash flow out of Latin America's cartels and back into the Taliban by poisoning the Coke. All the coke addicts scared of Coke will switch and pay the Taliban, get it??
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 07:59 PM (ScqM8)
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UBL is DSM's daddy. Birds of a feather. One as much a danger to American troops as the other.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 26, 2005 08:23 PM (CBNGy)
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Klanrooster, Bush and Bin Laden are jealous when you get between them.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 09:02 PM (ScqM8)
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maybe Osama will do something really stupid, like tring to steal a good amount of Coke and that will start a war between Al-Quada and the South American drug cartels....how wonderfull that would be....it could happen, as evil has a tendency to turn on itself...you know, no honor among thieves...actually makes me think how good it would be if DSM and greg turned on each other....hmmmmm
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 26, 2005 09:17 PM (9gFP6)
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TANOS, if goddamn goat-jumper Bin Laden was stupid, he wouldn't be such a cursed problem to us, now would he?
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 10:12 PM (ScqM8)
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i didnt say he might be stupid, just the chance that he would make a mistake.....the criminal type are great for doing that, specially the onees who think they are so smart....they get so cocky that they fuck up and do something really stupid and/or desperate...you really dont read into the posts much, do you???
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 26, 2005 10:41 PM (9gFP6)
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BIN LADEN IS TOAST when we catch his sorry ass!!!!!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 10:54 PM (ScqM8)
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Downing Street Moron: Take your medicine. You must take your medicine or they will lock you up again.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 04:24 AM (CBNGy)
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Lock your own ass up Klanpigporkerrooster.
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July 23, 2005
Late Night Loser Religion of Peeps Roundup
This post is dedicated to those night owls like me who stay up late surfing the net for something interesting to read.
Patrick al-Kafir writes a weekly column every Friday worthy of a paid publication. Go read it while it's still free.
This Jewish girl from Brooklyn trying to make her way in the world is not happy with the world as it is today.
Like the Nazis they aspire to be, the Taliban are pressing children into service.
The American Civil Liberties (for terrorists) Union gets thumped on the melon.
"Sire, it is said the people are revolting!" President Saleh: "You bet! They stink on ice!"
For the rest of you late night losers, give yourself a fatwa on me. Link to this post in your post, and t/b it.
Or, have yourself a happy drunken comment party. I'm going to look for a good picture for the caption contest.
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Well well well...look who's back!
Posted by: Osamabeenthere at July 24, 2005 12:17 AM (perrS)
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Been where, osama? heh.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 24, 2005 12:24 AM (Kr6/f)
Posted by: Howie at July 24, 2005 01:03 AM (D3+20)
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Osama, show yourself dammit - I want my 25 million reward!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 01:14 AM (ScqM8)
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Hey hey hey I'm home and got me a coffe cup full of that fine wine. Good stuff boys. It's freaking late. Well not late a long time ago but late these days.
Posted by: Howie at July 24, 2005 01:24 AM (D3+20)
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You are a Mad Dog, Vinnie.
Posted by: Jane at July 24, 2005 03:52 AM (6krEN)
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This picture has been begging for a caption for sometime.
http://photos5.flickr.com/5142425_63dfd3274f.jpg
NSFW
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 24, 2005 10:27 AM (LNA9X)
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Mad Dog...was banned for a while during the upgrade. Probably a glitch 'cause I don't piss of as many people as Greg or BLSD! (though I try very hard sometimes) So if y'all were wondering if I was a yellow-bellied pussy afraid to post, you were wrong. Princess...try captioning this one!
http://www.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.com/meccadonald.html
Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 24, 2005 12:03 PM (perrS)
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Osama - I'm going to find you and that BUSH LIES desert-dwelling punk byotch.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 08:43 PM (ScqM8)
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DSM: I'm going to track your IP, take a plane to where you are...then listen for Tourrette's Syndrome outbursts of "FUCK CUNT GO TO HELL BITCH!" then find you and give you a pimp slap. Stay focused man! You know the KKK contingent is your real enemy, not me!
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Sorry Osama - you're worth 25 million, I'm blinded by greed!!!
That's right - the KKK contingent - Sewagemouth Kimberley, Klanooster, Roddy Piper, Gimprobulus and the silent ghosts who watch like voyeurs - I'm watchin' you worse than the Jawas!
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And we are watching you inferior garbage brain idiots. We watch for the enemies of this country. We watch for the enemy supporters. We believe a day of retribution will be at hand. We pray the rope will be about you two idiots necks. Black muslims stink.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 25, 2005 01:59 AM (CBNGy)
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How's that bass boat, Klanooster - catch anything? Grunt, grunt!
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Eyewitness to Egypt bombings gives his account
I ran across
this time article that shows the heinous acts of these terrorists for what they are gruesome murder for gruesome murders sake. These people will murder many of their own just to get a few tourists. If you sympathize with them think again they would murder your whole family just for the hell of it or maybe to get one Israeli or Brit or American.
"I saw about eight dead bodies lying on the ground, and seven or eight other people badly wounded," Chilton said. "One guy had no torso, just legs and chest held together by nothing but skin. There was another girl with her leg gone, and a guy with two legs gone, trying to get up. He didn't realize he had no legs." There was relatively little blood; the explosion was so hot it cauterized most of the wounds".
The Abdullah Azzam Brigades has claimed responsibility but the unknown group Mujahedi Masr or “holy warriors or Egypt has diluted that claim. Although they seem to have the details wrong. My money is on Abdullah Azzam Brigades
More on the Abdullah Azzam Brigades where they come from and how they are related to the current war on terror is below. Heck they are the originator of this whole mess. Al-qaida related yes they founded Al-qaida.
The Abdullah Azzam Brigades are apparently named after Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian who led Islamic militants in Afghanistan and was killed in 1989 by a roadside bomb. He was regarded as the one-time spiritual mentor of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden.
Azzam studied Islamic theology in Egypt before traveling to Saudi Arabia where he lectured in Islamic law. During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Azzam was financed by Saudi Arabia and other Islamic states to establish camps for Muslim militants who joined the fight against the Russian forces.
More here too.
Born in Palestine in 1941, Azzam moved to Jordan and then to Saudi Arabia before migrating to Pakistan at the start of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. In Peshawar, Azzam set up the Office of Services of the Holy Warriors (Mujahideen) and set about re-igniting the Islamic power rage against those non-Islamic powers that had conspired against Islam since before the Crusades. Darting off with not much more than a storefront in Peshawar, Azzam would ultimately succeed in rejuvenating the concept of jihad among the Arab masses.
Those who met Azzam were dazzled by his spellbinding oratorical skills, his capabilities as a military strategist, his religious leadership, and his interminable energy. Azzam helped bring about the mobilization of the Muslim Brotherhood movement more than any other leader. Today, the military wing of Hamas in the West Bank is called the Abdellah Azzam Brigades.
On an earlier note from Vinnie, yes I noticed the main coverage today seems to all be about the guy that was shot in London. Not matter that he was carrying a bomb or not, the suspicious nature of his actions added to the current climate in London made for a perfectly understandable mistake. In fact IM suggested the possibility that it was possibly an orchestrated mistake. For whatever reason, this man chose to act suspiciously and also disobey a direct police order in a time and place where that was the last thing any innocent person would do. Also IÂ’ve noted that so far a Jamaican and now one Brazilian have been involved in the London incidents in various ways. Rusty has been telling us of danger from the south for some time now. While slow to come around and I donÂ’t think itÂ’s widespread more and more evidence comes out that he is correct. There is a danger from the south. I ask all Mexicans criminal and otherwise if you are approached by one of these jerks. Take his freaking money and kill him. Us border patrol give them a freebee for every one they kill and drop over the Rio Grande for us. Just paint terrorist on his back.
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Jihadis are MFs and it is time to take BIN LADEN and all his McLadens down!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 08:35 PM (ScqM8)
Posted by: Howie at July 23, 2005 08:36 PM (D3+20)
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than get youre cowardly, whiny ass over to the Afghanistan/Pakistan border and find and kill him, DSM, if you think you can do better than the US military
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 08:55 PM (9gFP6)
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I say send Robert Baer over there with the cooperation of five governments and he'll have bin laden within a friggin month, bonehead!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 09:11 PM (ScqM8)
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BUSH is a raging fool charlatan, hypocrite who would rather show his manhood than catch BIN LADEN
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 09:13 PM (ScqM8)
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and what makes you think that once you catch Bin Laden that the terrorists would suddenly stop doing what they do???....would just killing Bin Laden on some lonely mountain top do the trick???would the other terrorists believe you that Bin Laden was dead if you couldnt actually prove it???....would making him a maryter make him bigger than ever in the Muslim world???...see, you didnt think this threw and you would not do any better than Bush....boy, aint you the fucking genius
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 09:41 PM (9gFP6)
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Bin Laden is irrelevant, a figurehead and the moneybags behind the ideology, there are more important targets than him in the war against terror, but coming from DSM no suprise.
Posted by: dave at July 23, 2005 09:52 PM (DO6vD)
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Hey DSM, Baer, and the US, and a few interns, got screwed by Komrade Klinton. You've obviously read his books, no? Bush is just doing what Klinton should have done. Or even better, if Bubba had done his job instead of Monica, we wouldn't be here now. Read Ghost Wars, it'll take your farther than Baer's books, and it even mentions him.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 23, 2005 09:53 PM (0yYS2)
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I think he's already dead. He passes off to zaqueery and then it is claimed that zaqueery is dead then he's not. then that canadian lady cliams she went to wedding. It's just a feeling I've no evidence. I'm probably wrong.
Posted by: Howie at July 23, 2005 09:54 PM (D3+20)
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i would think that if Bin Laden was still alive we would have seen/heard something from him by now...the man has an ego the size of Montana and cant keep his mouth shut...all murdering,egomaniacs like him cant just disappear and keep quiet...they have to have their power by shooting off their mouths to appease their egos
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 09:58 PM (9gFP6)
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Giprobulus Hamstreruppurasssimus,
No kidding on Klinton, I'm talking NOW - send in BAER with a budget and he'll get Bin Laden in one month! BUSH is playing coy with you and me about Bin Laden. If each military aluminum coffin was 1.5 foot high, then 1800 coffins equals 2700 feet of dead Americans, right? BUSH is building two towers the height of the WTC with coffins of dead soldiers. All of these soldiers have been killed for a PACK OF LIES. Soldiers should not have to die for Bush's lies and sick adventures, but they are. BUSH is not a hero, he is a TRAITOR!!!!
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oh here we go with the lies story again...beat another dead horse why dont ya DSM....and how high was the towers built by Clinton when he sent troops into Serbia and Bosnia???..oh but thats okay cause Clinton is a liberal Democrat, right DSM???....he was told by the weak and incompetent UN to send troops there, right DSM???....tell me another one, i got a bridge in NYC to sell ya, at sale prices
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 10:16 PM (9gFP6)
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Tanos,
Klinton is not the chief warpimp anymore - Scumbag BUSH is and he's making new WTC's out of aluminum coffins stacked high into the sky. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE BLOOD!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 10:53 PM (ScqM8)
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Time to take BIN LADEN DOWN and shut down the wars of adventure and hellibacon.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 11:08 PM (ScqM8)
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From the NYT today:
"Bush understands that the support of the public for war - especially the war in Iraq - is conditioned on demanding little of the public." "They say, 'I'm going to support those people, I believe in those people and God bless those people,' " he said. "By doing that, THEY CAN WASH THEIR HANDS OF IT." That is the 101st TYPING CHICKENHAWKS in a nutshell - Praise Bush, Prais the War and now I'm off to have a cold brew.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/politics/24troops.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=e7ac69d3c2ae5e49&ex=1122782400&emc=eta1
Downing Street Memo does not wash hands of wars or blindly praise the bastards who start them. Downing Street Memo says to hell with the bastards who start them and bring the soldiers back.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 12:22 AM (ScqM8)
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hellibacon. oh my god that's great. hellibacon I can't help it oh my god. giggle giggle giggle hell i can't even spell giggle now.
Good night gentlemen.
Posted by: Howie at July 24, 2005 01:31 AM (D3+20)
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Uh DSM I can understand everyones reasons including the enemy why we are in this war. Regardless of how we got into it and how much getting into it was our own fault. Heck there is always plenty of blame to go around in every war. Just 50 years ago we saved these people from the nazis. Mulims the nazis would have killed you just like the terrorist would killed us on a much bigger scale. We must all stop this horror no matter how long it takes. DSM I undertand your hate of war. I hate it too. But although we might bear some guilt for the reasons why the war exists we certainly did not start it. People will die sir but more people will die in the long run if we dont fight it. More will die at the hands of terrorist more will die in combat more will die all over the world if we don't do what we can. I agree with you a lot of people need to wake up!!! There is a war. We can't stop it now DSM. We have to go in there and make all the reasons they hate us right and we have to win the war to do that. If we don't bust our asses to win were not giving it our all and well get burned. Mauybe we can't all join the army and I can tell you if they draft me well be in pretty rough shape buddy. I'll do what I can by writing and working my ass off. The more I work the more I pay. I'm sure we both hope it's over soon but it's a big job. See we could come home and do pretty good here all by ourselves we'd have each other right. But since the world is situation normal all fucked up and it's partialy our fault we have to bust ass and make it freaking right. You're not helping.
Gosh it's nice to be able to edit your own comments that's freaking cool.
Posted by: Howie at July 24, 2005 01:44 AM (D3+20)
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Howie dude,
I want to pull back the troops to guard America's borders and gun the punks down if they so much as sneeze across it. For overseas ops, shadowy hit squads can take out the troublemakers without pissing off every tom, dick and harry over there. I get into a fierce raging madness every time I see Bush on TV and hear about dead American troops. That bastard Bin Laden needs to go and he's over there taunting us. I hate that prick worse than all of the Jawa gang, including resident psychos gimp and klanrooster. Gimpy and Klanrooster could read some Michael Scheuer, as when my son brought me the book I nearly exploded in a wild rage when I learned about the bullshit.
Some really angry iraqis, radicalized by the war Bush loves so much are going to bring a nuclear bomb across the border, put it in an ultralight plane, fly it over an important city and blow it up. We must stop this and guard the borders TIGHT, including Canada.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 06:43 AM (ScqM8)
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so you would cut the US from the rest of the world, DSM???....youre an isolationist more or less and in this modern day and age, the 21st century, with all this advanced technology, it wont work....sorry DSM , this isnt the 13 century when the oceans kept the continents pretty much safe from the others....wake up and welcome to reality
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 24, 2005 10:28 AM (9gFP6)
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Hey well have to grow us a garden if that happens eh. Maybe a little unemployment and gardening might help us live longer. spend more time with the neighbors family all that crap. Except there is that responsability thing. Crap. I still got stuff to do. They tell me at my job that my accounts will be way over a mil if I stick with it. I've double checked and yes it's awesome quite a bit more but by then that's not so much. On that note.
I left my job in my hometown and I headed for the smoke.
Got a rock & roll band and a fast right hand gonna get to the top nothins gonna stop us no nothin.
I got holes in my shoes I got holes in my teeth I got holes in my sock I can't get me no sleep.
And I'm trying to make a million.
And I got pathes on the patches of my old blue jeans
Well they used to be new when they used to be blue when they use to be clean.
But I gotta woman who's a hummer who's keepin me alive while I'm in the band doin drinkin with the boys she's working 9 to 5.
She know's her place that woman.
One of these days see me drivin round town in my rockin rolls royce with the sunroof down my bottle of booze no summer time blues sayin ow look at me in my rockin rolls royce.
It ain't no fun........waiting round to be a millionare.
Scott.
It just fits today for me. But to alter it would be sacrilegious. Especially the Ain't no fun part. Ok more coffee let's go.
Posted by: Howie at July 24, 2005 10:52 AM (D3+20)
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Howie:'I think he's already dead. '
I agree. He died a Tora Bora and is buuried in an unmarked grave as is the custom. It's easy to fake tapes, consider the recent Steve MsQueen and Elvis commercials.He's more valuable to the war party if he is 'alive'. All societies need an 'Emmanuel Goldstein'.
Posted by: greg at July 24, 2005 01:07 PM (/+dAV)
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Downing Street Moron is nothing but a muslim supporter. His tirades against his hero Osama are nothing but bullshit. Just another minority cursing the government because of his lack of ability.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 24, 2005 05:02 PM (CBNGy)
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Klanrooster racist scumcockle psycho 101st wingnut brigade leader: you are a stinky piece of muslim-hating garbage who takes his own temperature with a baseball bat.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 08:45 PM (ScqM8)
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Osama Bin Laden is dead. Downing Street Moron has a picture of him over his bed and cries himself to sleep at night. His scumbag hero is dead. This entire bullshit about him hoping Osama gets caught is bullshit. He worships him. Read the terrorist huggers posts and it is more than obvious. He's just trying to keep from being banned again. Before he called himself Bush lies, soldiers died. Same America hating asshole. Death to the terrorist and their supporters like Downing Street Moron.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 25, 2005 02:07 AM (CBNGy)
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Klanooster IS a terrorist who hangs people from trees if they're not wite enough.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 25, 2005 02:34 AM (ScqM8)
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What no:
Hello Howard how ya doing friend, next door neighbor. Oh yeah get you f@@king jumbo jet outta my airport.
The preceding was a true story only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
Posted by: Howie at July 25, 2005 02:59 PM (D3+20)
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Downing Street Moron: Name one. Otherwise you are a liar. Which we already know. Muslim terrorist sympathizer.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 26, 2005 10:09 PM (CBNGy)
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Twistnut Klansman Rooster!
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July 21, 2005
On 'It's Not only about Iraq'
Islamic terrorism is all because of Iraq, right? So, the problem is simple, the Islamists are only carrying out a troops-out movement, they're only demanding nothing more than a withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq and justice for the Palestinians?
If you buy this line, you must have never asked yourself "if Al Qaeda cares so much about Iraqi civilians then why is it killing so many of them, including children, through suicide bombings?" Or "why did the Madrid cell that staged last MarchÂ’s train bombings continue to plan attacks, even after SpainÂ’s new government had begun withdrawing from Iraq?" Why the bombing of a nightclub in Bali?
We conservatives should avoid hiding our heads in the sand and thinking that Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism, because it does. As Jonathan Freedland suggests in his article appearing in the Bahrain Tribune Daily, "Iraq’s connection to the London bombers is the obvious one: it has served to anger and radicalise a generation of young Muslims across the globe." However, Freedland reminds those that think it's all about Iraq, that "those who monitor Islamism in Britain say that the big surge in growth of extremist groups came not after 9/11 or Iraq but in the mid-1990s – with Bosnia serving as the recruiting sergeant. In the same period Chechnya, Kosovo and Israel-Palestine all came into play – again predating Iraq."
Iraq has been used as a rallying point for a plan that al-Qaeda was following with or without Iraq, and the terrorism was already occurring long before Iraq. All of us on both sides of the political spectrum need to recognize the role of Iraq in terrorism, but by no means is it all about Iraq. And damn it, there is never an excuse for terrorism in the mind of a rational human being. But, of course, we're not talking about rational human beings, we're talking about Islamofascists - Muslim extremists seeking to force all non-believers into submission under Islamic domination and rule, and under Islamic law.
From Freedland we are offered a credible explanation of what the Islamofascists are after, one that even the anti-war/anti-American mentor, Juan Cole, agrees with. Freedland suggests that "central to al-Qaeda's ideology is the "reint in Spain, Morocco, north Africa, Albania, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, as well as Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines." Al Qaeda' agenda predates and goes beyond Iraq. It seeks to end all western presence in those lands it deems Islamic, and place those lands "under Islamist rule as part of the yearned-for caliphate." It seeks to have all of these lands (perhaps only part of Spain), under the rule of Islamic law and the caliphate.
Rule all these lands under Islamic law and a long yearned-for caliphate? As Freedland concludes, "What it adds up to is a more mixed picture than either Blair (or the Bush administration) or the anti-war movement has allowed. Iraq has played a key part – of course it has – in angering large numbers of young Muslims, pulling them towards an extremist message once confined to the lunatic fringe. But that message is not only about Iraq, Afghanistan or even the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza – and we delude ourselves if we think it is."
But you say that Freedland is wrong, and the anti-war left is right, it's all about Iraq. So let's hear what Juan Cole, an anti-war mentor, a liberal Islamist-loving, anti-American, U of Michigan professor, has to say about the matter in the following excerpts from his piece, "Bin Laden's Vision Becoming Reality:"
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If Al- Quaeda loves the Irarqi people, why are they killing so many of them? Because they love them to death.
Posted by: DWC at July 21, 2005 08:20 AM (Suv/B)
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Yeah, muslims are full of love like that.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 21, 2005 08:52 AM (0yYS2)
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Even Juan Cole can get something right once in a while. However, his dissertation is done with all the passion of a wet towel. Just facts and data is how he sees it. He doesn't seem to understand that we don't want a f***ing caliphate. That's why we fight.
He comes from the same mold as so many people in one respect. That being - he secretly thinks that no matter what happens, somehow he'll fare better than others for his wit and cunning. Everyone who wishes for communist rule, a caliphate or any of those social ideas that are put forward by every kook with a pencil thinks that it won't be as bad as it most certainly will be.
Juan Cole hasn't told us anything that we don't already know or couldn't learn elsewhere from someone who truly
understands more than just
some historical fact. Someone who doesn't separate these facts from
human philosophical history. For to do so is irresponsible.
Posted by: Oyster at July 21, 2005 11:43 AM (fl6E1)
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Wretchard at the Belmont Club discussed this issue and I have seen other discussions as well.
The war in Algeria had much of the same Muslim on Muslim violence, in fact IIRC it was the majority of the violence.
The terrorists are trying to show two things to Ali Ahmed Mohd Fahed Abdulla Al-Calamansi (i.e. Joe Sixpack). First the coalition and the emerging Iraqi government can not fulfill a government's first priority. The protection of the citizenry from violence.
The second is if you cooperate this is what happens to you.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at July 21, 2005 12:39 PM (6rdFl)
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It is truly amazing how many people have an IQ lower then mayonnaise.
Does no one realize that the reason the United States was attacked, was because of stereotypes religious extremists had of the western culture. It was all about not having tolerance for other cultures.
And yet it this thread we see both stereotyping and intolerance. Suicide bombers and terrorists are not a representation of the Muslim religion. The shear ignorance of so many is mind blowing. Do you criticize the Catholic religion when a catholic physco murders someone? Does that mean all Catholics are murderers ... of course it doesn't ... just like when a Muslim extremist blows someone up it does not mean all Muslims are terrorists.
If you still don't get it yet ... you are truly lost.
Posted by: IamCanadian at July 21, 2005 03:29 PM (dbvnL)
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"Suicide bombers and terrorists are not a representation of the Muslim religion. The shear ignorance of so many is mind blowing."
You're referring to Moslems, right?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 22, 2005 07:59 AM (x+5JB)
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IamCanadian: Well I see Canadians are still dumb asses. Everyone knows that all muslims are not terrorists. We also know that all terrorists are muslim. You ignorance is mind blowing. When the rag head bastards that Canada is mindlessly importing start blowing canada up then you Cannucks have a right to say something. Until then shut up and tell your army to continue to hide from the terrorists muslims in Iraq. America and the Brits will continue the fight for the nutless others.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 25, 2005 03:57 AM (CBNGy)
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why are you so scared of a few men? shows whose got the balls huh?
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July 13, 2005
Sources of Homicidal Angst: The "Sodatic Zone" (Updated)
By Demosophist
OK, so who didn't fall in love with the Parminder Nagra character in Bend it Like Beckham? (If you didn't you're feakin' gay, man.) She's now a regular on ER, by the way. I know she's precisely the sort of tomboy that used to get my heart thumping when I was a ne'r-do-well kid in HS and College. (I mean, girly girls are "OK," but give me a girl who can kick a football or run a 100 meter dash any time.)
So having become susceptible to English Pakistani culture through such a sympathetic portrayal it's not all that comforting to see cute Jess's extended family as the perpetrators of the recent London bombings. [Note: Jess's family were Sikh rather than Muslim, as a reader embarassingly points out. See updates below for thoughts on how this changes the thesis.] And I imagine it's no easier for my UK brethren, who must have been similarly enthralled. I do not think that Islam is, by definition, a pathological religion. But I think some elements of Islamic culture might be pathological, and there is a "dirtly little secret" that is rarely discussed, except by an old friend of mine on a new blog called Jefferson State. An excerpt that's liable to ellicit a fatwa [with commentary]:
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The Truth You Will Not Hear from the LL and the MSM
This is the truth you will not hear anytime soon from the LL and MSM. They're too busy churning the water like sharks in a feeding freenzy on a chum line re the Rove Affair - a much ado about nothing while the world is at war.
See these posts and follow the links for more things you won't here from the LL and the MSM. There are great posts at Normblog, The Daily Demarch, and other enligthened thoughts coming from the UK.
There is no need for apologists here:
Link here
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 14, 2005 12:10 AM (0XTbN)
Posted by: Oyster at July 14, 2005 05:38 AM (YudAC)
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One slight problem, Rusty. The Indian (not Pakistani) family in Bend it Like Beckham are Sikhs not Muslims. Other than that...
Posted by: Alf at July 14, 2005 07:53 AM (Zwsx5)
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I have never thought of the behavior towards women in the Middle East as putting them on a pedistal. It seems to me, they put them in a dark room, and serve only to perpetuate the race, and cook. I have also heard for quite a while, befor 9/11 that Arab men are into buggary, and rape young men and boys.
Posted by: Kstumpf at July 14, 2005 09:23 AM (GImrl)
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Pederasty is common in the Arab world, and is well documented. Why do you think muslim men are so screwed up? Most of them get used like women up until they can fight back. It's no wonder they hate everyone.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:22 AM (0yYS2)
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Hmmm, after making the last post, it came to me that DSM and greg also hate everyone...
Bite pillows much when young, fellows? Cry much at night?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:29 AM (0yYS2)
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Thx Oyster.
Sorry gang. I guess my hard coding on the fly missed some HTML somewhere. Anway here's the complete URL to this post at Roger L. Simon's and you can follow the links from there.
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/07/the_big_filter.php#c58908
Hot Link I Hope
Here's a little humor for your afternoon. A weapon against Islamofascist suicidal bombers:
Here's the URL in case I screw up again:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007174.php#c39
Hot Link
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 14, 2005 03:33 PM (6Aikz)
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Kstumpf,
You forgot about the mine clearing duty during times of war that
the Middle Eastern women perform.
Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2005 04:17 PM (Gqhi9)
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YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG U FUKING DICKHEAD
HOW DARE U TALK ABOUT MY RELIGION LIKE THAT,
YOU LOT ARE ALL STEREOTYPE'S.
THERE ARE BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ARAB, BUT OTHER ORGIN (E.G PAKISTANI, INDIAN, MALAYSIAN, AFRICAN AND OTHERS) SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT UNLESS YOU KNOW WAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
Posted by: kafil shah at July 17, 2005 04:21 AM (rZgoc)
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I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU......
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE MUSLIMS KILLED WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS?
OK,
NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE AMERICANS, JEWS AND ALL NON MUSLIM PEOPLE KILLED?
OK,
WHEN TSUNAMI HAPPENED APPROX 300000 PEOPLE LOST THERE LIVES, IT WAS A VERY BIG THING BUT, 9/11 2000 DIED AND IT WAS LIKE THE BIGGEST FUKING FING EVER
AND WAT ABOUT AFRICA?
YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MUSLIMS ANGRY.
AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE STEREOTYPICAL BECAUSE NOT ALL MUSLIM ARE WHAT YOU TTHINK THEY ARE.
THERE ARE AROUND 1 BILLION MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD AND IN MY TRUE OPINION I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY AN EXTREMELY SMALL MINORITY WHO ARE WHAT YOU SAY THEY ARE. (SO YEAH YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT MUSLIMS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT)
AND I FOR ONE CONDEMN AND HATE TERRORISM, THE PEOPLE OR THE 'MUSLIMS' DO THIS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND CANNOT BE EVEN CALLED MUSLIM BY US. WE GOOD MUSLIMS ABSOLUTELY THINK THIS IS WRONG, BUT YOU PEOPLE MAKE US DOWN WITH YOUR WRONG VEIW TOWARDS US.
SORRY IF I SWORE AT YOU
I WAS JUST A BIT ANGRY (SORRY)
Posted by: KAFIL SHAH at July 17, 2005 04:29 AM (rZgoc)
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Islam is a moronic and medieval cult. The barbarians who routinely murder innocent women and children (especially their own muslims) and who cut off innocent peoples heads often chant Allah Akhbar (God is great) while doing this.
It should be obvious that there is no properly organised condemnation of this type of barbarism from the muslim hierarchy. The morons who do these acts believe that they are doing them for "Islam".
Islam is not a religion, but rather a barbarous and blood soaked primitive cult. Its main premise is stupidity of the most violent kind.
Posted by: The Enlightened One at July 31, 2005 07:45 AM (Sj/oH)
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Actually, much as I hate to admit it, youre right.
Posted by: Allah at August 08, 2005 06:44 AM (Sj/oH)
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July 11, 2005
Show Trials in Saudi Arabia (Religion of Peace Update)
John at Crossroads of Arabia notices that Saudi Arabia will soon prosecute several extremist clerics for issuing fatwas, or religious edicts, which justify terrorist acts. A good start. Now if they'd only prosecute those that preach in favor of the fascism of Sharia law. Oh, wait......
Bill Dauterieve passes along the news that AL-QAEDA is secretly recruiting affluent, middle-class Muslims in British universities and colleges to carry out terrorist attacks in this country, leaked Whitehall documents reveal.
Mohammad al-Garbuzi sought by investigators in the London and Madrid bombings. No confirmation on rumors that he is part of a radical Mennonite faction.........So, who was responsible? Bin Laden? Nope. It was the J-O-Os. Don't you know it's always the J-O-Os??
Knock-knock.
Who's there?
My Vagina.
My Vagina who?
My Vagina says the war in Iraq was illegal and Bush-Hitler is a war criminal.
Downsizing troop levels in Iraq? A new leaked memo seems to indicate that by this time next year we'll have half as many troops on the ground. [UPDATE: Rob, guest blogging over at Wizbang, backpeddles on the leaked memo]Oh, and attacks are down in Iraq--you won't see that on the news tonight.
The CBC doesn't realize the song is 'Blame Canada' not 'Blame America'.
Anti-war movement resorts to spam attacks.
The Carnival of the Liberty is up.
Jay at Stop the ACLU interviews a former member of the fifth column.
Forget Downing Street, check out "The Pinelawn Road Memo". It may be fake, but at least it's accurate.
Confederate Yankee has all the hot, wet, blowing action. (Hurricane humor, dumbass!)
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Police appeal for bombing footage
Responding to claims by former Metropolitan Police chief Sir John Stevens the bombers were "almost certainly" British, Mr Paddick said no lines of inquiry had been ruled out. Lord Stevens had said the attackers would not "fit the caricature al-Qaeda fanatic from some backward village in Algeria or Afghanistan".
Translation: "Too many people are reporting seeing white guys plant the bombs. Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my!"
Posted by: greg at July 11, 2005 10:59 AM (Y2T2o)
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A show trial is better than no trial.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 11, 2005 11:00 AM (x+5JB)
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Greg,
There are plenty of 'white' Muslims.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 11, 2005 11:01 AM (JQjhA)
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Please Mr. Government Man, take away all my rights, I'm sooo scared! Shall I bend over for you now or later?
Posted by: greg at July 11, 2005 11:01 AM (Y2T2o)
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I think what people have indicated is that there were not bearded rural-types with turbins wandering around where the bombs went off. That doesn't rule out Westernized "British" Moslems, does it?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 11, 2005 11:05 AM (x+5JB)
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Rusty:"Greg,There are plenty of 'white' Muslims."
Rusty,
Ooooh, I had failed to consider that possibility. Yes, that must be it. They were white muslims. Bastards! Whitey just can't be trusted.
Posted by: greg at July 11, 2005 11:05 AM (Y2T2o)
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I think we should round up all the white people with funny last names and send them to Iceland where they belong.
Posted by: greg at July 11, 2005 11:19 AM (Y2T2o)
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Or just round up all the idiots who hate Joooos and support islamofascism, but call other people Nazis.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 11, 2005 11:26 AM (0yYS2)
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Thank you for the link.
Posted by: Jay at July 11, 2005 11:27 AM (2FcUc)
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>>>"There are plenty of 'white' Muslims.""
Translated from the greg-speak: the illuminati conspiracy forgot to disguise their minions as arabs before sending them out to plant bombs. They tend to be very forgetful, these illuminatists.
Posted by: Carlos at July 11, 2005 11:49 AM (8e/V4)
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Why not any mention of the traitor in our midst who has had his cover blown? Yes, I am talking about Rove- he would be on a plane heading for Gitmo if this admin wasn't such a bunch of hypocrits.
Posted by: Max at July 11, 2005 12:20 PM (HFKAk)
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Max translated:
I have no idea how the American judicial system works nor of the definition of hypocrisy. However, you can be damn sure I hate Rove and all he stands for.
Proof? We don't need no stinkinÂ’ proof.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 11, 2005 12:31 PM (jPCiN)
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Defense Guy,
Larry O'Donnell said it, so it MUST be true. Get your facts straight. GOSH!
Posted by: Editor at July 11, 2005 12:36 PM (adpJH)
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MOST people get caught who commit major crimes. (Whether the ACLU gets them off, though, is another story.)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 11, 2005 02:03 PM (x+5JB)
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Oops. Wrong post. (See what I mean, Rusty?)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 11, 2005 02:07 PM (x+5JB)
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Yes, Max, it's all Rove, he's the monster in the closet, and the Jooooooooooos are hiding under your bed. How can you be so stupid and not die from it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 11, 2005 02:25 PM (0yYS2)
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You guys make me miss 4th grade recess. Is that really the best you can do? Call me names and say I dont understand the legal system? Losers.
But let's make one thing perfectly clear: Rove's secret outing of Valerie Plame put partisan politics above the security of our nation. He chose to reveal Plame's identity as a CIA agent, with no thought to the consequences to American national security, simply because it provided an opportunity to smear her husband.
So now you can come up with your own lame arguements that will only serve to point out your hypocracy.
Enjoy
And Imp Maximus- whats your thing with the Jews?
Posted by: Max at July 11, 2005 03:52 PM (HFKAk)
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Proof Max, proof. If there was/is enough to prosecute the man, then it will happen. Speculation is not enough to get you charged, let alone convicted in this country. Thank G-d.
I realize that you and the rest of the Rove haters would like nothing better than to see the man brought low, but the simple fact is that the system has safeguards built in to prevent the type of witch hunt you seem to be in favor of. Again, thank G-d.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 11, 2005 04:22 PM (jPCiN)
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There goes Grey the traitor cheering for the enemies of America again.
MAX: You haven't been paying attention. IM's parity on the Jews is referring to the low life piece of shit Greg's past claims that the Jews are somehow responsible for the crimes of the goat screwing terrorists.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2005 07:50 PM (CBNGy)
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Hot, wet blowing action? 'Scuse me Rusty, for you have turned me on.
Actually that wet HOT article was quite funny as well. Reminds me of the time around tornado warnings here. Get beer, climb on roof.
Posted by: Feisty at July 11, 2005 08:19 PM (ai7jN)
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Sorry to fire my volleys over your head Max, let me splain; as greyrooster said, my constant references to Joooooooos is in parody of greg's delusional paranoia. According to him, the Jooooooos are responsible for everything from acne to world hunger, and he has links to prove it!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 08:42 PM (0yYS2)
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Backlash: Incidents in Britain, New Zealand
In addition to the following, there likely will be more reports of incidents of backlash against Muslims, adding challenges to law enforcers who already have their hands full.
From The Statesman:
Fire broke out in a mosque in Leeds and a Gurdwara in Kent, amid the first indications of a possible backlash against British Muslims as police said tension in the country was increasing. About 70 incidents against minorities have been reported across the country since yesterday, police said, adding they ranged from the fires in the prayer halls to two possible assaults, cases of verbal abuse and threatening calls. Kent Police are investigating two assaults on Muslim men in Dartford.
Interestingly, Britain's Sikh and Hindu communities are weary of possible attacks due to being mistaken for Muslims as happened after 9/11.
(Auckland, New Zealand) Prime Minister Helen Clark and other government officials condemned "mindless and stupid vandalism" which has occurred at about 14 Islamic places of worship in Auckland between Thursday and today.
From National Nine News:
Auckland's Muslim community found six mosques vandalised and walls tagged in graffiti with the message 'Londoners RIP' following the terrorist bombings in London that killed more than 50 people.
In what appeared to be a coordinated series of attacks in central, south and west Auckland, vandals smashed glass windows and doors and left variations of the same message in black paint on walls facing the street.
There are about 40,000 Muslims in New Zealand out of a total population of over 4 million, about one percent of the citizenry.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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Goddamit, now the qaedas are really going to be stirred up. AlJareeza is gonna report on what those racists did and then another round of blowback comes our way. I'm pissed and goin' miner bee hive drowning.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 10, 2005 07:02 AM (ScqM8)
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Compare and contrast the reactions:
"Vandalism occurs after bombs kill dozens"
versus "Rioting kills dozens after alleged Koran vandalism" (e.g., flushing.)
Mote, meet beam.
Posted by: Russ at July 10, 2005 07:23 AM (utsLN)
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Muslims out of civilized countries. Get them out now. New Zealand needs to send them back where they came from. Muslims bring nothing but trouble to the countries they move to. Islam is a disease and should be treated as such.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 07:35 AM (CBNGy)
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DOWNING STREET MEMO: You are a cowardly shit eating dog. Nothing more. Pure garbage. And that goes for all your low life relatives that produced a piece of shit like you.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 07:37 AM (CBNGy)
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Where were these random violent acts when extremist clerics were calling for attacks on the United States, and Great Britain in the streets of England? (When they were banned from assembly in their Mosque)
The U.K should pressure the Government to expel and return to the country of origin all radical Muslims that support, and incite terrorism against them, If the clerics country won't take them back then imprison them.
While people turned a blind eye against those whom plotted their destruction, it will most likely turn out that the terrorist attacks were enabled and supported by the radical clerics/mosques the U.K Government has ignored for years.
It isn't hard to identify the people concerned they have been very vocal about their support for terrorism, and have been on the TV, Radio and the Internet. Expel them now!
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 09:11 AM (fsJ2z)
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No need for senseless violence. If people need to be deported for safety or security reasons, it can be done peacefully.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 10, 2005 09:27 AM (4di2R)
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DSM, you, and people who think like you will never be more than victims. You would lie in the the fetal position and take whatever abuse was handed out to you, never fighting back, because to do so might make your antagonists beat you more. Have your testicles descended yet?
Posted by: REMF at July 10, 2005 09:37 AM (aLiCo)
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I say good for them, but they really need to set an example. A few clerics strung up from light poles might send the right message, then watch the goathumpers leave in droves. Muslims have well demonstrated cannot live among civilized people.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 10, 2005 10:22 AM (0yYS2)
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How many of these acts of vandalism are committed by muslims themselves to "raise awareness" of the issue of "intolerance".
Posted by: Carlos at July 10, 2005 10:26 AM (8e/V4)
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YBP,
You misunderstood my original sentiment, I did not mean expel by force.
I was stating when the radical clerics and followers were stood in the street, preaching for the destruction of both the United States and Great Britain people ignored them.
Now you have random violence against Muslims that most likely did not have any part in the attack.
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 10:37 AM (fsJ2z)
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Well Dave, I think they should be expelled by force, because that's the only thing they understand. To muslims, if you don't fight back, you're weak and deserve to be conquered, but if you do fight back, you're against islam. They are a viral plague, plain and simple, and must be eradicated.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 10, 2005 10:42 AM (0yYS2)
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Carlos:'How many of these acts of vandalism are committed by muslims themselves to "raise awareness" of the issue of "intolerance".'
The Jews commit fake acts of anti-Semitism all the time to gain our sympathy. They've been caught red-handed doing so.
On another note, there's no evidence that the bombings were done by muslims.
Dave:'I don't think you will even find where I even said Al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks, because I await the evidence behind that also', said Dave just a few hours ago.
Dave:'It isn't hard to identify the people concerned they have been very vocal about their support for terrorism, and have been on the TV, Radio and the Internet. Expel them now!', says Dave today.
Dave,
What I lying little shit you are. Your false piety has been exposed as pure unadulterated racist-based fascisim.
Fuck all you Nazis.
Posted by: greg at July 10, 2005 10:44 AM (QeDgJ)
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Greg,
I think you've already expended what credibility you ever had months ago.
I still haven't said it was Al Qaeda now have I? I do believe the Government is looking for extreme Islamic militants involved with the operation, and have stated such publically.
I also stated people supporting terrorism should be expelled, do you have problems expelling militants from the country pinko?
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 10:49 AM (fsJ2z)
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"What I lying little shit you are. Your false piety has been exposed as pure unadulterated
racist-based fascisim."
Is Islam a race now?, I always thought it was a religion.
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 10:51 AM (fsJ2z)
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Greg,
You must be on scared little man. Going around calling us all nazis when a little more than half the country feels the same way we do. Don't look now! That person next to you may be a nazi! If we were what you say we are, you would be a fucking lamp shade by now.
Posted by: Brass at July 10, 2005 10:57 AM (6TLEO)
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Dave:' do you have problems expelling militants from the country pinko?'
Not at all, we should start with Bush and his fascist minions such as yourself, KKKRooster (who at least has the testicles to admit he is a racist) and Probulus Lunatus.
Posted by: greg at July 10, 2005 11:07 AM (QeDgJ)
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Russ:'"Rioting kills dozens after alleged Koran vandalism" (e.g., flushing.)'
Russ, you disingenious fuck. It was the peaceful rioters who were killed by the Afghan government, not the other way around.
Posted by: greg at July 10, 2005 11:12 AM (QeDgJ)
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Peaceful rioters. Now THERE'S an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Greg, your ignorance shines through once again. Thanks for the ammo.
Posted by: Oyster at July 10, 2005 11:19 AM (YudAC)
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nicely tiptoed round the issues again Greg,
issue 1#
I stated that the British Government is looking for an Islamic terrorist cell in connection with the bombing:
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/10/ncrime10.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/07/10/ixportaltop.html
As usual Greg knows better than the people involved, just like when he told us all Terrorist bombers never carry their bombs in bags.
issue 2#
Is Islam a race now, seeing as you feel free to label me a racist for calling for the expulsion of radical Islamic clerics?
issue 3#
I asked you if you had a problem expelling militants supporting terrorism from the country, you in typical pinko behavior avoided the issue and turned it round to Bush/Rove etc.
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 11:20 AM (fsJ2z)
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>>"It was the
peaceful rioters who were killed by the Afghan government, not the other way around."
"peaceful" rioters?
LMAO!!!! [wipes away tears] Thank you for that, greg.
Posted by: Carlos at July 10, 2005 11:21 AM (8e/V4)
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Dave:'Greg,I think you've already expended what credibility you ever had months ago.'
And Bush and Blair who lied us into war have credibility with you? Don't look now, but there's a government dick in your ass. Davey likey dickey. Him sooooo hawney! He lub Big Brotha long and hard.
Where's the beef Dave? Where's the evidence that muslims perpetrated these bombings? Cui bono? Big Brotha, that who!
Posted by: greg at July 10, 2005 11:23 AM (QeDgJ)
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YBP: No need for senseless violence????????? That's the friggin point. These Muslims dogs are prepetrating senseless violence on innocent people in the west. They only understand one way. Their way.
String their bastard leaders up. Enough is enough. Destroy any scumbag Islamic who advocates violence against innocent people sitting on a bus.
Time the end the muslim idea that they can kill us without us killing them. They are dogs who only understand violence, cruelty and treachery. That is their culture. That is their religion.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 11:27 AM (CBNGy)
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Greg,
I actually laughed out loud at your comment, which made me feel bad, because it's almost sad watching you de-evolve into a bacofoil wrapped, mouth frothing, cluebag.
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 11:27 AM (fsJ2z)
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Dave,
I go bye bye now. You keep sucky. Big Brotha luv you.He always watching you. You numba one good Joe.
Posted by: greg at July 10, 2005 11:28 AM (QeDgJ)
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Dave: Wasting your time with the traitor Greg. Go back to archives and you will get a true understanding of this anti American weasel.
He needs to be strung up along side of his muslim buddies. Additionally, he is totally full of shit. I spent a lot of time running him down. And I found nothing but a hot air blower.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 11:32 AM (CBNGy)
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He isn't anti-american enough to leave the United States though is he? despite his claims that Bush is a fascist dictator, and that America is an imperialistic empire?
I read his claim that after the next "faked" terrorist attack he's leaving for Italy, why are they always "waiting" to leave? why wait? the taxes you pay support this "illegal" war you claim the U.S is waging. People like Greg love the freedoms the U.S provide, but dispise the Government and the Soldiers that provide it.
PROVE US WRONG WITH THE COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTIONS GREG, LEAVE THIS "IMPERIALISTIC" COUNTRY NOW!
Posted by: dave at July 10, 2005 11:41 AM (fsJ2z)
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I always wonder wheter people like greg or dsm actually believe the inanities they say or it's just some kind of idiotic disinformation tactic. The saddest thing is that by calling anyone who critizices Islamic terrorism as "nazis" or "fascists", they are only stimulating the rise of real fascism. Because truth is, if the politically correct governmments and institutions continue to take half-measures or even to do nothing at all against a growing radicalism, after repeated bomb attacks people in the street who ride the Tube and are therefore in the line of fire will not take it so lightly. And right-wing extremism will only grow.
Posted by: south american at July 10, 2005 11:47 AM (1kMex)
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by "right wing extremism" i mean vigilante-ism and support for fringe radical parties in Europe. In the US that's less of a problem.
Posted by: south american at July 10, 2005 11:49 AM (1kMex)
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I find it amazing that a moron like greg can simultaneously pronounce his hatred for Joooooos while calling other people Nazis. If anyone with a brain were to utter such cognitively dissonant drivel their head would explode. I guess leftards really do live in Bizzaro World®.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 10, 2005 12:08 PM (0yYS2)
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On another note: DSM is having a great time talking to himself in the thread below about Birmingham. Watching these two (Greg and DSM) spiral down into complete lunacy is like watching a train wreck unfold before your very eyes.
Just thought I'd have some fun with colored font. Don't know if it will work until I click "post".
Posted by: Oyster at July 10, 2005 12:14 PM (YudAC)
Posted by: Oyster at July 10, 2005 12:14 PM (YudAC)
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Memo to all British Muslims:
Now would be a good time to start turning in some of your
Homeys..start showing your fellow Brits that you do give a crap.
If not, it will only get worse for you. You can count on that!
M.W.
Posted by: Mighty Whitey at July 10, 2005 12:46 PM (Ynuss)
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Ain't gonna happen MW, they will stick together to death, because in their backward, childishly simple worldview, tribal loyalty and racist hatred trump any sense of right or wrong. They don't care how many innocent people die, as long as it's muslims doing the killing; they are a cult of death, and any humanitarian qualities islam might have once had, which were precious few and short-lived, have gone the way of the dodo.
Muslims have no grasp of shame, justice, compassion, righteousness, or any other sublime abstract concept; their culture stopped evolving about the end of the stone age, which is why the only practical way to bring islamic socities into the modern age is by means of force.
Savages only understand brute power and ruthless violence, so let's give 'em what they know, and once they're beaten down, show the survivors how to behave as civilized people. It's already working in Afghanistan and Iraq, and it will work in the rest of the world blighted by islam.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 10, 2005 02:05 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Mighty Whitey at July 10, 2005 02:24 PM (Ynuss)
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Muslims have no grasp of shame
Sure they do. It's just that they end up "honor" killing their female relatives to expiate their shame.
Posted by: Russ at July 10, 2005 04:21 PM (utsLN)
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SOUTH AMERICAN: Well said.
Holy shit. IM's post makes sense.
Mighty Whiteys post makes sense.
Oyster's post makes sense.
Damn it boy! We're on a roll.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 04:30 PM (yMx70)
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Came back from Vegas early. Boarded house up.
Fueled all cars, trucks, etc.
Did all checks on generator. Everything ready. Sat here all day waiting for hurricane.
We need to change the hurricanes name from Dennis to Greg.
Nothing but a little hot air.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 10, 2005 04:35 PM (yMx70)
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Dave: My comment wasn't directed at you, friend.
Greyrooster: I was speaking out against senseless violence. Burning mosques down and beating people up in the night seems like a criminal hoodlum acts and beneath any civilized government. Mosques? Close 'em down. If the Brits want to deport Moslems for security or safety reasons, it should be done in an orderly matter, using force only if necessary--kind of like, "No offence, but your presence here is no longer wanted, and you are not safe. No hard feelings. See ya." I'm talking about the non-violent chaps here--not the rabid terrorist supporters who denounce the very country in which they live. They can be sent on a small raft back to whence they came.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 10, 2005 06:22 PM (4di2R)
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What I was referring to Russ was personal shame, in the context of being ashamed of what one has done; regret you might call it. Muslims generally lack this capacity, which is tied to one's humanity, and it is clear they have neither. I think this is one reason they hate the Jews so much, because Jews are so different from muslims in so many ways, but especially in their humanitarianism.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 10, 2005 08:08 PM (0yYS2)
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Gimp, you have no shame, calling for mass murder of millions you never met. You and Greyrooster/Bablar are human scum, smelling like unlubricated jailhouse sex.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 11, 2005 05:49 AM (ScqM8)
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You made me so Mad!!! You goddamned felching klansman greyrooster. That hurricane was meant for you to cancel out your evil wind. You are a sick racist disgrace who prowls movie theaters for young unwilling partners. If you are so gung ho, JOIN THE GODDAMNED ARMY and go over to Iraq or Afghanistan to find Bin Laden. He's probably your good twin.
I poured gasoline down the gopher holes today and smoked 'em out!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 11, 2005 06:13 AM (ScqM8)
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I'm not surprised that DSM lives in a place infested with rats. Or rather I should say that rats live in a place infested by DSM. I think I would take the rats as neighbors, since they generally only are minor irritants and don't go around setting fires. Pyromania is another symptom of psychosis.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 11, 2005 02:43 PM (0yYS2)
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YBP: Greyrooster has decided you are just to nice a person to run my kick the muslims out campaign. I will not vote for you.
I figure we are fighting two wars. One against liberal morons and one against barbaric muslim terrorists. One is as bad as the other.
Not saying your wrong. We all have out ways to meet the end.
However, you be Roosevelt and I'll be Patton.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2005 08:32 PM (CBNGy)
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Downing Street Memo: You sorry assed muslim hugging piece of shit.
Were you wearing your Malcom X shirt during todays prayers.
Don't you know the muslims enslaved black asses like you? Hell, in some countries they still do. Whats a matter with you BOY. You to stupid with jealousy and hatred for your betters that you can't see the truth. How do you ever get anything done when you must pray to a goat fucker 5 times a day. I guess you don't get anything done. Just wait on the de check.
You friggin loser.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2005 08:39 PM (CBNGy)
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This asshole Downing Street Memo seems to know a lot about jail house sex.
Ain't my fault to are what you are. Blame it on your jo mama and jo daddy. Not that you know who he is. (Just playing the odds).
Yea! I'm a racist. I think white people are great. The best. Number one contributor to medicines that save lives. Number one contributor of inventions to advance civilization. Number one in helping other races. Number one in everything. Everyone else copies us and then complains. If your jealous of white people its your problem.
Personally, I believe this entire shit eating muslim thing is as much racial as religious. I wish the rest of you luck, but it's hard to get up with the best. And us white folks are the best.
Your typying on a computer invented by a white people. Along with everything else. Just look around. Asshole.
It's hard to be humble with this beautiful white skin. The most beautiful thing in the world is the north european blond. And you turkeys know it.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2005 08:56 PM (CBNGy)
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AS far as serving. I served with the 2nd Batt 26th Marines in Vietnam. Twice.
My father was a pilot in the Army Air Corp and was killed by the Japanese in 1943. I was two.
My father's younger brother had his hip blown away in Korea and was crippled the rest of his life. My son is a Captain in the Marine Corps now serving his second tour in Iraq. I even recently got to see him on television telling some of your muslim friends, that they were liars and they were supporting the terrorists.
So, how does a piece of shit like you say to me, go join the Army? You low life shit. If I wasn't 63 years old I would be there. My service record is in Kansas for all to see. And I am particularly proud of it. My license plate has a purple heart on it. What does yours say? I've got a wall full of stuff to prove who I am.
Now! who the fuck are you? Where and when did you serve this country. You cowardly bastard. No where, thats where. Dog shit like you doesn't serve their country. They live off their country.
You frigging low life snake. Shit, my wife just retired after 30 years as a military Officer. Shes more man than you.
In finality. FUCK YOU PUNK!
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2005 09:17 PM (CBNGy)
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Prove it Mr. Klansman - post your DD200 or whatever you call it you nyppletwists call it and keep demanding from Kerry. JOIN THE ARMY AND GO TO IRAQ!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 12, 2005 08:39 AM (ScqM8)
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Hi guys,
Anybody can tell how people are agitated here about the mayhems that happened in London. I also understand the ubiquitous antipathy and odium heaped upon all muslims living in the west -- and even everywhere. As a muslim, I want to ask a small question. What am I supposed to do to offset this animosity?
I utterly condemn what occurred in London, US, Madrid, and elsewhere. I categorically despise and deplore killing innocent people. But I am very scared of my being, presupposedly, accused of being sympathetic with terrorism -- or even a terrorist. Also, I want to live, work, and excell in this country. I don't want to banish back to the rotten middle east countries.
Please people, don't tell me go drown yourself in a bucket or eat whatever -- I am getting more stolid to hearing malediction these days. Put yourself in my square, what are you supposed to, or can, do?
Regards
Posted by: Kim at July 12, 2005 02:22 PM (uUFiY)
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Kim: We are hostile to terrorists, not Moslems per se.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 03:06 PM (x+5JB)
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Kim: Easy. Quit being a muslim. This nation was founded on North European Christian principles and has a superior government because of it. I am not a Christian. The nation you come from sucks because it is muslim. Muslims do not fit into this society. We do not trust them. I disagree with my friend in the above post. If you wish to join a better society leave Islam behind. Then you will be welcome. In plain English if you wish to be an American, act the part, muslims will never be accepted as true Americans and you know why.
Good luck on your decision.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 12:30 AM (CBNGy)
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 12:32 AM (CBNGy)
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Kim, you don't have to stop being Muslim per se, but you do have to make a choice. You can choose to love America, and swear to stand by your fellow citizens and countrymen, whether black, white, or brown, Moslem, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, or atheist. You can choose liberty and justice over fanatical, hate-filled dogma. If you love liberty more than life, then I will stand with you, but if you choose to put your faith above your duty as a citizen, then you will never be an American, because part of what makes us Americans is not our place of birth, or religion, or political party, but a love of country and a willingness to die for it if need be. I dare say that many foreign born Muslims would make better citizens than many natural born Americans, and in fact I know one who is a good man and a good citizen. It's what's in your heart that counts, nothing else.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 01:51 AM (0yYS2)
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Mr greyrooster: I appreciate your advice. It is indeed a for-all panacea solution. I also agree with you that North America and, mainly, Europe is founded on christian beliefs. Although we are living in a secular society, where the state is purportedly separated from the church, but the intangible christian nature of the state is omnipresent. A quintessential example is the Christmas. I also agree with you that the mainstream attitude is skeptical, if not hostile, towards muslims. Something that can be easily inferred from even the very limited pool of the society represented in this forum.
However, I understand liberty, and correct me if mistaken, as the freedom of choice as long as you abide with the law. This country has always embodied, and boasted of, this motif. Accordingly, I belive that my being unfit in the society based on my religion contravenes the word liberty as I understand it. I would like to mention that the human history is abound with similar, if not more ghastly, stereotypical vilification of certain ethnic or religious groups. Jews had consistently been persecuted all over Europe for centuries. Just an example, during the outbreak of plague in Europe, they were accused of poisoning the wells. Myriad of them were burnt under the prying eyes of the clergies. They were stereotyped based on their religion, and even based on Judas or Caiphas. The suffering of black people in US -- lynching, slavery, etc. They were stereotyped based on their skin color. However, this society could perform self remedy and moved on. I won't lose my faith in the definition of liberty as I understand it.
I. Maximus: Your opinion is moderate and adheres more to my perception of liberty. Irrespective to one's religion, the law is our God. There can not be such contradiction between both of them, unless one has misapprehended the word law. Religion is a spiritual, and in some cases moral, practice -- nothing more. The comparison between religion and law is invidious because you can always renounce a religion while not for law. In ranking priorities, would place religion ten places behind law, conventional wisdom, common sense, self-discretion, mores, etc.
I am still indecisive between Mr greyrooster and I. Maximus. One opinion is more pragmatic and the other is more conceptually sound. I hope that the one can opt with the second one innocuously. I wish not to see my sister and mother attacked again because they wear scarves. I hope that one day I will be forgiven of a sin that I didn't commit.
Thanks all
Posted by: Kim at July 13, 2005 04:15 AM (uUFiY)
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Kim: No one should be attacking anyone who is not causing violence to others. I'm in yet a third position from greyrooster and IM, both of whom I consider good and wise friends. They would probably disagree with me on what I am about to say. I believe that Christianity is the true faith. It offers true freedom, and that's why you should leave Islam behind. It is a dangerous practice based upon hatred. There is sufficient proof that it is a man-made religion meant to trick men into false worship and thus lose hope of salvation. It is a dangerous practice based upon hatred and lies. Check out...
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
and...
http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm
Also, my faith is more important than my nationality. The ist commandment states that Christians must honor God. America, at the moment, is the best country in that I am given the freedom to do this (i.e., practice my faith). We must safeguard these freedoms in this great country.
May The True God bless you and lead you to the Truth.
YBP
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 07:53 AM (x+5JB)
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Kim: By your answer I see that you will remain a muslim. Mentioning Jews, blacks, etc: is merely a excuse. Jews or Blacks have not invaded and enslaved any other nations that I know of. Example: Muslim Arab enslavement of Spain for 700 years. Muslim Turks invading and controlling Greece for 400 years. Religious wars in India. We could continue on and on. You seem to be an intelligent person so I will not insult you and pretend you do not know the history or your own religion.
The truth is Islam is trouble for other religions and non religious people. I'm not interested in why.
My advice. Stay out of America. You are not ready to be an American. Islam and American society do not mix. Trouble is brewing.
I do not lie. Therefore, I will tell you I am against muslims in my country. You people merely wish to come and take advantage of what others have paid for in many ways. You are not coming here for freedom of religion or freedom from religion. Your religion does not allow for people like me (seeking freedom from religion) therefore you are my enemy. Just that simple. Yes, I will throw tomatoes at islamics. My way of showing my disaproval of muslims in my community.
Nothing personal. Pick up a newspaper. Watch Television. Listen to the Radio. Every where there are muslims there is trouble. So please do not come here with your trouble. If you do, I will fight against you. The good side is that I will fight you the American way. Eye to eye, man to man. Not with sneaky bombs. I will not attack your women and children as muslims do.
You cannot be a good American and be a muslim at the same time. Leave Islam behind and join a superior society or be gone. Your choice. I wish you luck and I sincerely mean that. I wish happiness to all men. But not at the expense of mine and my people.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 14, 2005 12:16 AM (CBNGy)
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Mr greyrooster: Just for peace of mind, I have no plans to come to US. I thought that you were talking about New Zealand, that is why I said the west in the first post. However, for candor, I do live in a western country. Thanks for the wishes and the intelligent description. I am just a humble guy trying to understand what is going on.
More later
Posted by: Kim at July 14, 2005 04:47 AM (uUFiY)
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i think the time has come to reopen the concentration camps.the muslims deserve someone like hitler.they have become international troublemakers creating terrror in madrid,london.israel and palestine,chechnya,bali,philippines,kenya,kashmir,decapitating hostages in iraq.........etc,etc.
their primitive religion is the source of the current wave of global terrorism.the serbs were doing a good job in bosnia until america and nato turned into meddling busybodies and needlessly intervened there and in kosovo.
Posted by: anti_jihad at July 14, 2005 10:46 AM (cNsZk)
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i think the time has come to reopen the concentration camps.the muslims deserve someone like hitler.they have become international troublemakers creating terrror in madrid,london.israel and palestine,chechnya,bali,philippines,kenya,kashmir,decapitating hostages in iraq,the terror of 9/11 in america.........etc,etc.
their primitive religion is the source of the current wave of global terrorism.the serbs were doing a good job in bosnia until america and nato turned into meddling busybodies and needlessly intervened there and in kosovo.
Posted by: anti_jihad at July 14, 2005 10:47 AM (cNsZk)
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in my country india,in the state of gujarat,in february 2002 these muslims tried their jihadi tricks by burning alive 58 hindu,men women and children travelling in a train.the hindus then paid them back in the same coin,through savage reprisal riots which killed over 2000 muslims,and over 150,000 of them had to take shelter in refugee camps.entire villages and large parts of the countryside was emptied of islam.most of the muslim deaths occured through the same methods used to attack the hindus in the train,by burning alive.a clear message was sent to the muslims in gujarat that their jihadi ways will not be tolerated.peace has prevailed in gujarat ever since.
Posted by: anti_jihad at July 14, 2005 11:01 AM (cNsZk)
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it's racist comments that stir everyone up. i'm not a muslim nor do i have any arabic background but i don't see the point of cursing at the islamic community whenever a terror attack occurs. it's racist bastards like WINSTON PETERS that will attract the attention of those terrorist organisations. i am an american citizen and i believe that the arabs are asking to take back what's theirs from the beggining. they are not trying to start a new world order. it's the US government that's doing this! but i am aware that i will serve and protect my fellow americans and australians. we cannot solve war by peace but by irradicating those racist pricks that loves to stir up shit...
Posted by: kalani at July 18, 2005 06:49 PM (KehFq)
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Muslims freed the black. but enslaved the white(Romans) the black slaves were slaves before Islam and since Islam didn't go with war with Black africans. Muslims dont have the right to enslave blacks. But because there were wars with the Romans ( the ancestors of white people ) then Muslims have enslaved them and they became slave to us. However the ideoligy that slaves are only black has come from the White people (the westerners) who concorred Africa stole from its wealth enslaved their people. Most blacks in America their ancestors came from West Africa ( Most of them were Muslims and then forced to Christianity) these west Africans were free people so the people who made them slaves are the Wsterns not the Muslims because they were themselves free Muslims !!!
Posted by: Abdullah at July 19, 2005 09:41 AM (3kd4e)
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It's about time for a little backlash. Today Canada's Minister for Public Safety held a meeting with community Imams in a Scarborough mosque and was told that 'She and the Canadian Government should stop threatening Canadian Muslims OR THEY COULD PROMISE TO GUARANTEE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN!' In other words they threatened her to her face...a veiled threat but a threat all the same.
I say it's time for a little backlash. If it doesn't come now it's going to be awesome when it does come. The story of this insulting encounter is at littlegreenfootballs.com "Imam Threatens Government". How DARE they behave like that? Frankly, I say if people are exhibiting hostility towards Muslims, it may be because they have BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES!
Posted by: foreign devil at July 25, 2005 03:54 PM (SOh3V)
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Very interesting and mature conversation we are all having about Islam. It made my day when I stumbled on this website. I really feel sorry for most of u. I'm a muslim and dont care of what u nobs think (the ones who are racist anyway). This intelligent conversation made me laugh really. U can swear at us, be racist to us, TRY to kik us out of our country (I was born in UK so that makes me British and therefore my country), kill us but u will layways be sad PATHETIC losers. Get a fukin life Weirdo's. Take care all u who arnt racist bigots.
Posted by: Ibster at July 27, 2005 09:33 AM (wz1dD)
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Fuck these dirty bastards I don't care say what you want but i'm not some dumb uneducated fuck ok. These People the dirty muslims do smell bad go to there neighborhood and take a wif I swear to god you will smell some wierd stuff. But anyways alright I can guarentee you if Someone attacked say Lybia by hijacking there planes and shit and hitting there buildings they would flip out say screw the IN and all the rational meens they want us to do and they would attack someone. They are stupied and uncivilzed so they can be ignorent.. Look at the fact that No Europeans Latins or Blacks move to there countries and saysa give us special rights and change laws and bitches to them no that is not right. If you move to someone other people's countryyou foolow there rules ok I no that all the euro pean countires are th emost up to date and richest "explain that huh were the freking minority of the world but we controll it damn we must be doing something right o wait were smart ya and tough" . If you move to a forgien country and your people attack them then you will be looked at with suspicion i mean fucking come on what are we supposed to do not profile them there blowing shit up cause there armies are the strength of a all women regiment of europeans or americans so they can't affored real weaponds either that must be cause there not equal to us so these people will learn the hard way when you wake the dragon shhit will happen to you dirty fucking animals fuck you and die goodbye
Posted by: Marco Zuccaro at July 30, 2005 06:17 AM (yKGfe)
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I think it's so ironic that a so called "peace loving" nation can resort to such uncivilized ideology. You have to understand, when Hitler committed genocide the world didn't codemn all christians or caucasians for that matter, they condemned hitler. Here we have an avenue for dormant racists who have been looking for an excuse to expel any immigrants, not even just muslims. They are looking for a reason to be racist and they pray on those who are emotionally affected by the london bombings. Remember hitler did the exact same thing with a nation that was being humiliated by the allied powers. There was no problem for the decades that muslims have been in Britain or any western country for that matter, why now? Just because four 'homegrown' bombers took out their frustration. I don't condone it but i don't condemn it I just believe that it is the natural flow of human nature. Death committed by the UK or US will lead to Death of Muslims and Vice versa. Death creates more death. I love living in canada but i also know that its the people I like and not the way of life.
Secondly, if you think that all muslims act the same or think the same then you are just unintelligent and lack any sense of logic. A black cristian kills a bunch of people at his former job that means all black wait all christians are murderers....no.
THis has nothing to do with foreign policy or religion this is more to do with a few individuals in this world getting more attention then the intelligent ones. Whether it's Osama or Bush there all just figureheads and get the attention they dont deserve. Let's be really honest we got a bunch of idiots on this message board who lack any vocabulary that isnt a swear word. You look more like an idiot when all you do is curse and believe that anyone actually is scared of your words.
Posted by: Aiman at July 31, 2005 02:37 PM (zrSDy)
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It's about time all mosques in my country were demolished, if you muslims want to worship your false god do it back in the middle east. you are not supposed to be here, All this bollocks about seventy virgins waiting for you in paradise, if you sub human muslims believe that, no wonder your fucking up every country you letch into.
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June 29, 2005
Muslims Demand Permanent Seat on UN Security Council
(Sanaa, Yemen) There are 57 countries represented in the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) which meets regularly to discuss solidarity and mutual interests. Yesterday, the organization met, opening with a
statement by Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu. Salient points include:
Honourable Ministers,
In the face of the intensification of Islamophobia in the West, I have seen it as a duty to launch a campaign against this detestable phenomenon, and We have approached the United Nations Human Rights Committee in Geneva in this connection. We succeeded to have the Committee adopt a resolution prohibiting defamation of religions, in particular Islam, as well as linking it with terrorism. We also took the campaign to the United Nations General Assembly asking it to make efforts in this regard. In the same vein, we went to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and managed to convince it to place the matter in its agenda and admitted that defamation of Islam has become a fundamental challenge in the field of human rights in Europe.
Since the enlargement of the Security Council has become a pressing issue in the agenda of the United Nations, we have made extensive efforts in concert with the Islamic Group at the United Nations in New York to ensure a permanent representation for the Muslim world in the Security Council. For the Muslim world, that is one fifth of the world's population, cannot remain excluded from the activities of the Security Council which assumes a fundamental role in keeping security and peace in the world.
In summary, the OIC has proposed to the UN and the European Organization for Security and Cooperation that measures be legislated to prohibit people from voicing a dislike for Islam coupled with a demand for permanent Muslim representation on the UN Security Council.
Interestingly, the 'Islamophobia' that the Secretary-General discussed was also addressed recently by Malaysian Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar at a seminar on Islam and international politics in Kuala Lumpur. It's notable that in neither speech was there a hint that Islamophobia is the direct result of actions by the followers of Islam. All dialogue regarding Islamophobia ignores terrorism, Wahabism, Sharia law, honor killings, and the lack of freedom and democracy while pointing to a perception problem among Western nations that must be prohibited. A campaign to outlaw Islamophobia has been launched. No mention has been made about the possibility that Islamophobia is a perception with a sound basis.
At the same time, the Secretary-General demands a "permanent representation for the Islamic world on the UN Security Council." No specific countries, however, were identified as candidates for the permanent seat.
It's encouraging that the people of Islam recognize and are concerned that they are seen negatively by the West. However, my take is that no rules or laws will ever impact the level of Islamophobia as long as the Muslim world views terrorism as an integral aspect of diplomacy. It also seems illogical to award a permanent seat on the Security Council to any country that silently, without condemnation, accepts terrorism as a substitute for statesmanship.
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Islamophobia in the West?
How about the Westernophobia from a lot of Islamic countries developed by propoganda by extremists?
-Joel
Posted by: Joel Bain at June 29, 2005 01:34 PM (hD3X5)
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How about a few medium-yield thermonuclear devices? Muslims are just daring us to exterminate them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 29, 2005 02:10 PM (0yYS2)
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Common, everyone. The Muslims need a permanent chair on the
UN security council. I know a perfect model for them also. They
can have one that has nice ankle and wrist restraints, with a
electrical cord in back and shiny hat that will protect them
from moonbat conservatives. Now if we do give them this chair
though, they will probably need a goodly supply of Ambassadors.
Posted by: Butch at June 29, 2005 03:22 PM (Gqhi9)
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And a nice wet sponge on his head to keep him cool.
Posted by: Oyster at June 29, 2005 03:40 PM (fl6E1)
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For the Muslim world, that is one fifth of the world's population...
Prove it, bitch. Let's see a billion names.
Posted by: mojo at June 29, 2005 04:48 PM (HRSdD)
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"For the Muslim world, that is one fifth of the world's population..."
Then I say the world is about 20% overpopulated. Time to thin the herd a bit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 29, 2005 05:44 PM (0yYS2)
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I say give them a permanent seat on the Security Council and make the entire entourage sit next to the French.
That corner of the room would smell like my jock strap after a 5 mile run.
WhoÂ’s next? DonÂ’t the Gays (bad gays) need a seat as well?
Posted by: Brad at June 29, 2005 06:05 PM (3OPZt)
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Oh, yu don't like it, huh? Well I better get what I want, see, or I'll start shooten up your parking lots. See? Yeah. That's right, see! Yeah. That'll do a number on your commerce, see. Yeah!
(www.yementimes.com/02/iss41/front.htm)
[see second article down on first pg]
How do you like them pomegranates? See?
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Yumpen yemeni crickets!! Wild eyed gun-toten Arab thugs!? Who'd have thought? (Of course, that's not as scary as the Democrats who want to be doormats for them).
Which reminds me, have you ordered your copy of "Subservience For Dhimmis" yet? I've heard that Teddy K. wrote the intro.
Posted by: MachmudGRobinson at June 29, 2005 08:58 PM (lo+6D)
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Since Cuba and China are already in the "Human Rights" Committee, why not expand this farce and include the Muslims as well?
The heck should we care.
Posted by: TD at June 30, 2005 07:49 AM (24r97)
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Let them have a seat, and the US should withdraw completely from the UN and let it collapse. In fact, we should withdraw from the world completely; close the borders, eject all foreigners, revoke citizenship and deport Muslims, liberals, and other disloyal scum, ban all travel into or out of the country, and summarily execute anyone doing anything unpatriotic. Make the US what everyone says it is, and watch the world fall into barbarism. Oh wait, it's already there.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 30, 2005 11:07 AM (0yYS2)
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Oyster,
Thanks for helping me look out for our Muslim brothers. I forgot
how hot it could get in the council chamber and the wet sponge is just
what is needed.
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June 28, 2005
A few links and a Presidential pep talk.
Well the president will give us all a
pep talk tonight. I would encourage everyone to watch for those who don't or can't I'll try to post a transcript in the morning. While it may not be as good as say a Clinton or Reagan speech the President has gotten a bit better. Since we are at war I think we should at least give Mr. Bush our attention.
Also see this Stars & Stripes article on training of soldiers in Iraq. The interesting part is that pay scale for Iraqi soldiers in the window with the article. I think we should consider ways to improve the pay as it makes bribery by the other side awful cheap.
The looser in the Iranian election rails against that country's ruling clerics. Watch your head dude.
Our brave Marines start another offensive in Western Iraq.
As always you should look for other sources, argue like crazy, post links and have a good time ladies and gentlemen. I have not had a lot of time to search for other links. And remember while the President and our government can start a war, make strategy, give us pep talks he is powerless to win the war. The power to win the war rests with all of us, especially men and women like this. Now comes the hardest part, just keeping it up.
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Don't give up your day jobs...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050628/ap_on_hi_te/bloggers_lobby
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 28, 2005 09:34 AM (x+5JB)
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YBP: have you got that mailbox cleared out. Sorry for cloggin up your space.
Posted by: Howie at June 28, 2005 09:44 AM (D3+20)
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in Iran, with the two fanatics who where running for the figurehead post of President, it didnt seem to really make any differnce who won as one was just as bad as the other....and besides, they are nothing more than yesmen to the mullahs who are the real power in Iran...the "elections" were nothing more than a ruse to keep the Iranian citizens in line by letting them feel that they have some say...yea, sureeeeeeee, like the madmullahs would really allow honest elections and im actually Pope Benidict.....and as for Operation Sword going on in the Anbar region of western Iraq i wish the US Marines the best of luck and kick those terrorists ass back into the river...yea, its funny though, CNN calls them insurgents and still insists that the majority of these insurgents are Iraqis when it seems that they are mostly Saudi and nothing is said about that by the MSM...guess so the MSM can claim that they arent terrorists but Iraqi freedom fighters..what a crock the MSM is....anything to trick the American public...smoke and mirrors, folks, smoke and mirrors
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 28, 2005 10:46 AM (kDAye)
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YBP: I expected as much from Kos and Black. While getting the government out of political discourse on the web is a common goal for all of us, (this should be a non-partisan issue) it appears that Kos and Black, especially, are more worried about their money than anything. How is it that these guys can take a perfectly legitimate gripe and turn it into some self-serving, self-aggrandizing issue? Knowing these two as well as we do, I have to wonder if they would be as gung-ho if their wallets weren't affected. And of course it's covered by a liberal AP writer, Sharon Theimer, who is only interested in quoting those who agree with her philosophy.
Posted by: Oyster at June 28, 2005 11:05 AM (fl6E1)
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I wonder if Bush will dress up in military garb as he stands in front of the troops.
He's done it before, unlike any other American president. It is oddly reminiscent of Mao, Fidel, Hitler and the Duce.
Posted by: greg at June 28, 2005 11:22 AM (/+dAV)
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Oyster: Very well said, sir.
Greg: Saw a news clip a while back pointing out (and showing) that several presidents have done this. Even Clinton!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 28, 2005 12:14 PM (x+5JB)
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well, if my memory serves me correct, the President is also the Commander in Chief of all US armed forces so its his right to appear in military dress if he so wishes when he apears in front of the troops....kind of like a Field Marshall i suppose
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 28, 2005 12:33 PM (kDAye)
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Yeah- pep talk. That will be great. No plans of course, bit I will be full of pep. Yippie.
YBP- lets see that picture of Clinton in a military uniform.
Bush is the ultimate chickenhawk- no wonder you guys love him. Gets out of serving and then has the gall to use a uniform as a prop. You and he should be ashamed.
So who wants to take a bet- his poll number slip even lower after this "pep" talk. Cause if that is all it is, people are going to be really pissed.
Posted by: Max at June 28, 2005 12:46 PM (HFKAk)
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You are already pissed Max. Why should we care what you think since you've already made up your mind before even hearing the speech?
Posted by: Defense Guy at June 28, 2005 01:00 PM (jPCiN)
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D guy. That was a very good touche very good.
Posted by: Howie at June 28, 2005 01:05 PM (D3+20)
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how true, another closed mind
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 28, 2005 01:19 PM (kDAye)
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Max: It was a cap with some gold leaves on it, if memory serves me correctly. Perhaps a flight jacker? I'll check.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 28, 2005 01:29 PM (x+5JB)
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Max and interested parties: Damn I'm good. Scroll down and feast your eys on several presidents with pseudo-military garb--Clinton in a flight jacjet and with a military-type cap with leaves.
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1102587092.shtml
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 28, 2005 01:32 PM (x+5JB)
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Poor Max. He thinks he's special. He thinks he should be told all their military secrets and plans to put his little mind at ease. Problem is - I don't think he realizes that to tell us is to tell the terrorists. Even though a third grader could figure that one out. And what good would it do us to give them our "plan" and "exit strategy"? Unless, of course, Max wants them to have that advantage.
Posted by: Oyster at June 28, 2005 02:28 PM (fl6E1)
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Hey Oyster, did you see Clinton in neato uniform? I just wanted to salute the big guy.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 28, 2005 02:38 PM (x+5JB)
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YBP:
I can honestly say, that well done, I'll be interested to see their replies after such a spanking you applied with that url.
Posted by: dave at June 28, 2005 02:54 PM (fsJ2z)
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Thanks, Dave. It so seldom happens in life. Reminds me of that scene in "Annie Hall," where Woody Allen brings out Malcom McLaren to settle an argument.
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YBP: Clinton was trying to play "big boy".
"See? I'm all for the military. Now hold on while I cut funding. Okay, there. Now what were you saying? I look dashing? I'm wearin' it to bed with Monica, er...Hillary tonite."
The man makes my skin crawl. He's a sociopath - and so is she.
Posted by: Oyster at June 28, 2005 04:07 PM (fl6E1)
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Oyster: Clinton? Dashing? Maybe to a McDonald's.
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Clinton was not as bad as what Bushie is trying to do. In a voice
like Bush, "I love our troops, that is why I am going to raise
the price that veterns have to pay just to see VA medical personnel from $0 to $250 dollars a year, and for prescriptions from $7 dollars to $28 dollars. But I tell you I just love our troops."
Bush loves only Bush.
Posted by: Butch at June 28, 2005 05:06 PM (Gqhi9)
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Hey greg, dumbass, Bush was dressed in a flight suit. Because he was flying. You know, in an airplane. A military airplane. And he was also a pilot once, so ya see... oh, never mind. Shouldn't you be keeping watch for Black Helicopters™ or Evil Jooooos or something?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 28, 2005 06:10 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, you know damn well he wasn't riding in a aer-o-plane! He was riding a massive balls-of-steel-resolve camel toe into that joint!
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June 24, 2005
I'm not against the troops, I just want them to lose (Religion of Peace Update)

Thanks to
Eric at Vince aut Morire for e-mailing me the logo to the right, which was designed by
Patrick at Clarity and Resolve.
Is it me or has the entire Leftosphere forgotten that a majority of them opposed the war in Afghanistan? Personally, I think that KKKarl Rove was wrong when he said liberals:
saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.
Most
liberals supported swift retributive action against al Qaeda and the Taliban. It needs to be remembered that a
liberal is not the same as a
Chomskyite Leftist.
Unfortunately, a large part of the Left blogosphere is made up of Chomskyites who say they are liberals, when actually they are far to the left of most of the Democratic party. They are no more liberals than I am a conservative. They are Leftists, or to use their own lingo, they are Progressives.
Anyway, it's the Religion of Peace Update--featuring the dhimmis on the left.
Duncan Black lied, soldiers died, er, or something like that.
Who is funding the insurgency? Leftists in Europe!
Jihad, jihad, everywhere. Either the terro-zombies are spreading, or our partners in the GWOT are finally getting serious.
Taliban sets fire to girls school (via Charles Johnson)
Pakistan sponsored terrorists blow up bus. Our allies at work.
Iranians vote in democratic election today. Can choose between guy who wants to oppress pretty much everyone in the world and kill heretics and another guy who just wants to oppress Persians and put heretics in jail.
Hey, they found the Koran I desecrated! I guess my plan worked.
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>>>"Unfortunately, a large part of the Left blogosphere is made up of Chomskyites who say they are liberals, when actually they are far to the left of most of the Democratic party."
That's a good point. We alienate Liberals even more by bunching them in with those Leftists. Use the term 'Leftist', it's more accurate. Of couse, you have Chomskyites who don't know what the fuck they are-- like greg and osama.
Posted by: Carlos at June 24, 2005 09:49 AM (8e/V4)
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"Who is funding the insurgency? Leftists in Europe!"
I saw it on the web. its true!
Posted by: actus at June 24, 2005 10:17 AM (UkIRz)
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actus
The source is a US News & World Report article, which as you note, is also available on the web. Got any other smart ass things to say or would you like to comment on the actual subject?
Posted by: Defense Guy at June 24, 2005 10:54 AM (jPCiN)
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Carlos,
Sticks and stones...
Posted by: greg at June 24, 2005 11:09 AM (/+dAV)
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"It's in the heart of every Muslim. We respect and we love (the Koran) more than our families,"
That's a pretty scary thought, someone loves an object more than their family. With the above quote in mind. it's not hard to see why these guys open a can of whoop ass over paper + ink "desecration"
Posted by: dave at June 24, 2005 11:30 AM (fsJ2z)
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Nothing like a little labeling to start the day...CARLOS! Hahaha... I know exactly who I am, but that doesn't mean you can peg me as a Chomsky follower, or a leftard. Don't even try and fit me into your neat little boxes! As Rusty says...it's what you write, not what you intended to write. What you do, not what you intended to do...
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Well, I look at it this way; the fact that the far left, communists, Chomskyites, Marxists, Maoists, Islamic fundamentalists, etc are all up in arms means we're doing something right.
And Actus, if you're finding it hard to believe that there are leftists or communists or any other non-Muslims funding the terrorists just remember Sgrena's words, "We're on their side." The shame is that those same terrorists they so adore would cheerfully saw their heads off too.
The problem with the "leftists" in America is that they have no imagination. They've had a safe and comfy life compared to standards anywhere else in the world and they can't "imagine" how bad it really is.
Posted by: Oyster at June 24, 2005 02:01 PM (fl6E1)
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Oyster, don't bother, they're idiots who hate America and want us to lose. Don't worry though, there should be another 9/11 right around the corner, and this time they will pay for their treason.
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RICHARD "DICK" CHENEY BELONBGS IN PRISON. IMPEACH BUSH
Posted by: deccles at June 24, 2005 06:07 PM (UCtX/)
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I fear Improbulus Maximus is right. Another 9/11 will cause Americans to act like Islamofacists. There will be more blood on the streets than that of American innocents.
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Improbulus Maximus:
'Don't worry though, there should be another 9/11 right around the corner, and this time they will pay for their treason.'
Gosh, it sounds like Improbulus wants another 9-11 so he can enjoy the dismantling of the Constitution and the advent of Martial Law. He's willing to sacrifice the health of the nation to satisfy his own vindictiveness. Whadup widat?
Posted by: greg at June 25, 2005 08:21 AM (/+dAV)
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Not what he said. Read again with open mind. The people will not put up with another attack. The feds (Bush and company) will try to prevent retaliation. But can they? Many have had enough. Common sense dictates that anyone living here that works to destroy this nation or inflicts murder on its citizens cannot be tolerated. How to tell the difference between them. Who knows? The solution may end up being no more muslims in America.
Posted by: greyrooster at June 26, 2005 05:36 PM (/rKIG)
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RRESad yuiourself arlooster, gubbaminnt aaattackss to
Posted by: BUSH LIES - SOLDIERS DIE at June 26, 2005 08:58 PM (FV4oJ)
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Man, 9/11 will look like nothing compared to what's next. Just wait till the kiddies in Iraq grow up with such a big target and some home-made nukes. Or maybe they'd do it "Batman Begins" style...by the way, did anyone see it? Interesting thing about contamination of the water supply. I always thought Al Queda's next move would be to get a crop duster full of LSD & PCP for a little city buzzing.
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Then they must be stopped before that can happen. Better them than us. I've felt for some time that if the Islamofacist terrorists ever convinced the west of the danger you speak of what's left of them will be back in the desert without control of their own countries.
In the words of the liberals. If the majority of people can elect Bush then why can't they elect David Duke? Remember when 21% of the population voted for George Wallace? Remember when the people of Germany got ticked off enough to vote Hitler in? Stalin? Sadam?
The mad moolas currently running Iran.
People change in a hurry. I wonder how a presidential candidate that stood up and said if you elect me I will stop permanently the muslim threat would be received? Even now. People are scared. History has shown that they will do anything to protect themselves. Right or wrong.
Posted by: greyrooster at June 27, 2005 06:04 PM (CBNGy)
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Hahaha...GR, I think you just you just compared Bush to Hitler.
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June 22, 2005
Nationalism = Suicide Bombs (Religion of Peace Update)
New motto for The Jawa Report, thanks to
Professor Chaos and Thomas Mann:
Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
Via the New Editor (thanks for link Basil) we learn that al Qaeda has finally been able to convince a few native Iraqis to blow themselves up for Allah and for 72 Virgins. Evan Kohlmann has a translation of the communique.
Sept. 11th co-sonspirator acquitted in Germany, deported--will either be rearrested and thrown in real gulag as he gets off the plane, or will return to jihadi brothers to kill infidels.
Is the U.S. at fault for suicide bombings? Yes, says one newspaper. Is there any bad thing in the world that can't be blamed on the U.S?
Yes, every detainee at Gitmo has had a hearing. This is why I love Michelle Malkin. And here is a Nazi-Gitmo analogy that actually works. Because of the hypocrisy.....
Did Pol Pot have one of these signs in the killing fields???
Sir George finds a photo of the latest effort by Syria to keep terrorists out of Iraq. Apparently they hired the US Border Patrol to build it.
It's like Tom Clancy is a modern prophet or something: Drug money used to blow up Jews. Columbia may be doing their part to end this, but the PA certainly isn't. I have a novel idea, why don't we legalize drugs and put these guys out of business?
Dhimmis in the Academy: An organization that claims to speak for me defends an accused terrorists right to indoctrinate your children.
Dhimmis eating Vegamite: Australians put Christians on trial for telling the truth about that child molester and mass-murderer Muhammed.
If this is a consular ship, then where is the Ambassador? Al Qaeda not rolling out red carpet for new U.S. Ambassador.
Christopher Hitchens is a Jawa Reader: The Downing Street Memo and the Conspiracy Theories of the Moonbat Left (via QandO)
Leftards are idiots. Nuff said.
An interview with Thomas Lippman of The Middle East Institute on his recent visit to Saudi Arabia.
Boo-hoo: Islamaphobia.
Non-Religion of Peace:
Save our State to rally againts Mexican fascist landmark in Baldwin Park, CA--my old digs.
Brain Dead woman being kept alive to save baby, no comment from NARAL.
The only reference to Jennifer Wilbanks you'll ever see at the Jawa. Click here.
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The Wilbanks link is hilarious.
Posted by: Oyster at June 22, 2005 11:50 AM (fl6E1)
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Vile aztlanist pigs make me sick to my stomach. I'd gladly join gringo in blowing them all away.
Posted by: Carlos at June 22, 2005 12:08 PM (UWO6N)
Posted by: dave at June 22, 2005 02:02 PM (fsJ2z)
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These leftard idiots are going to keep pushing until the gloves come off. They seem to be too stupid to realize that of the 200,000,000 guns in this country, most are in the hands of people who don't like them.
Tic, tic, tic, it's close to midnight...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 22, 2005 08:09 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, is it true that Mr. Durden is building an army? In Tyler we trust...
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June 21, 2005
Punk's Not Dead, Oh No!! (Religion of Peace Update)
For the last year burning your wife and daughter alive in an honor killing has been illegal in Pakistan. Hey,
at least it's illegal.........
What's white and red and kills while surrendering? French suicide bomber.
Most suicide bombers in Iraq NOT French.
And now we pause for this musical interlude. Brought to you by Suicidal Tendencies
They stuck me in an institution
Said it was the only solution
to give me the needed professional help
to protect me from the enemy, myself
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming
Spain arrests 5 more misunderstanderers of the Religion of Peace.
New terms set for Gitmo detainees. Heh.
Another word from our sponsors. Again from their 1983 self-titled album
I shot Lennon, I shot the Pope
I shot the devil now you ain't got no hope
You're gonna rot in heaven, hear an Angels voice
You're too bad for hell although it's your first choice
Syria?? Letting people finance terrorism??? Are you sure we're talking about the same Syria here????
Coming soon to NBC Wednesday nights: Rafsanjani Based on the stand up comedy of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. Don't miss the pilot where Rafsanjani's quirky neighbor, Achmed, loses the 'master of his domain' bet and gets his hand chopped off.
UPDATE: e-mail a terrorist!! Click here to e-mail site owner of The Official Jihad Support Group.
UPDATE II: Preston has the funny, even if that pic is a little, you know, G-A-Y...
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>>>"Despite the fact that President Pervez Musharraf recently enacted a law making honor killing a capital offense, it continues at a rate of about 1,000 deaths each year."
Rusty,
your moral compass needs a severe readjustment. This doesn't compare to the insane priest in Transylvania who crucified a nun. Yes, that was just one incident, but it's so much worse than all these perfectly sane muslim men burning their wives by the thousands. Where is your perspective?
Posted by: Carlos at June 21, 2005 11:14 AM (8e/V4)
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Does Iran seem like a complete hell hole or is it just me?
Posted by: Editor at June 21, 2005 11:16 AM (adpJH)
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There's so many of us,
So many of us,
So many, there's so many, there's so many
Let's have a war
So you can go and die!
Let's have a war!
We could all use the money!
Let's have a war!
We need the space!
Let's have a war!
Clean out this place!
It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!
Let's have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let's have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let's have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let's have a war!
We're like rats in a cage!
It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!
Let's have a war!
Sell the rights to the networks!
Let's have a war!
Let our wallets get fat like last time!
Let's have a war!
Give guns to the queers!
Let's have a war!
The enemy's within!
It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!
Posted by: osamabinpostin' at June 21, 2005 11:24 AM (CYGDF)
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Osama: I can top those anti-war lyrics with this little ditty popular during my childhood:
Are you believing the morning papers?
War is coming back in style
There's generals here, advisors there
And Russians nibbling everywhere
The chessboard's filling up with red
We make more profits when we blow off their heads
Economy is looking bad
Let's start another war when ya get drafted
Fan the fires of racist hatred
We want total war when ya get drafted
Drooling fingers
Panic buttons
Playing with missiles like they're toys
There's easy money, easy jobs
Especially when you build the bombs
That blow big cities off the map
Just guess who profits when we build 'em back up
Yeah, what Big Business wants Big Business gets
It wants a war when ya get drafted
Trilateral Commission goonies laugh
and scheme for more when ya get drafted
Call the Army!
Call the Navy!
Stocked with kids from slums when ya get drafted
If you can't afford a slick attorney
We might make you a spy
Forget your demonstrations
Kids today sit on their ass when ya get drafted
Just a six-pack
And you're happy
We're prepared
For when ya get drafted
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 21, 2005 11:34 AM (x+5JB)
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Ok, so mine was Circle Jerks...what was yours? It sounds like those kind of lyrics would get someone blacklisted for being a Communist!
Posted by: osamabinpostin' at June 21, 2005 11:38 AM (CYGDF)
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Saw the Circle Kerks. AND the Dead Kennedys ("artists" of the ditty).
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 21, 2005 11:41 AM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 21, 2005 11:42 AM (x+5JB)
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The Dead Kennedys...now there's an amazing band name. Good band too.
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 21, 2005 11:50 AM (CYGDF)
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As usual, another great round up of links. Especially "New terms set for Gitmo detainees". Har Har.
Posted by: Oyster at June 21, 2005 11:50 AM (fl6E1)
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Yeah, the Dead Kennedys are great, but they're missing one member, though from the looks of him, he'll be joining shortly, but not soon enough.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 21, 2005 12:14 PM (0yYS2)
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I thought that was Black Flag. Hmmm.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at June 21, 2005 12:38 PM (WsZ4F)
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I prefer Ska myself. And some punk/ska.
Posted by: Oyster at June 21, 2005 12:51 PM (fl6E1)
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Just a correction, Let's Have a War was done by Fear, not the Circle Jerks...
Posted by: disgruntledinca at June 21, 2005 12:57 PM (8DwXG)
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Yes, Fear it was. Now I listen to Mitch and the Gang.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 21, 2005 01:01 PM (x+5JB)
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My huge fuck-up. Sorry about that. Everytime I hear that song I have Repo Man flashbacks...
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 21, 2005 01:02 PM (CYGDF)
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Yeah, me too. Except I usually think of The Jerks doing "When the Shit Hits the Fan"...........
Ten Kids in a Cadillac
Stand in Line
For Welfare Checks
Let's all leech off the State
Gee, the money's.........really great.
We just get by however we can......
We all gotta duck
When the shit hits the fan..
Posted by: disgruntledinca at June 21, 2005 01:13 PM (8DwXG)
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The NICEST band I ever saw/met: The Exploited.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 21, 2005 01:19 PM (x+5JB)
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In case you're wondering, Carlos was referring to this:
'Possessed' nun crucified after row with priest
By Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 20/06/2005)
“A Romanian Orthodox priest who faces a murder charge after ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the devil" was unrepentant as he conducted a funeral mass for his alleged victim.
Father Daniel Corogeanu, 29, said that the nun had been "possessed by the devil" and was "beyond salvation" in life.
He claimed that from the religious point of view, the crucifixion of Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified", but admitted that he faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good lawyer."
The nun was found dead last Wednesday, gagged and chained to a cross, after nuns from her order, the Holy Trinity, called for an ambulance in the remote mountain village of Tanacu in north-eastern Romania.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/20/wcruc20.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/06/20/ixworld.html
Gosh! This sounds like something that muslims would be accused of doing!
Whadup widat?
Posted by: greg at June 21, 2005 01:24 PM (/+dAV)
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>>>"A Romanian Orthodox priest who faces a murder charge after ordering the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the devil"
Evangelicals scare me.
Posted by: Carlos at June 21, 2005 01:30 PM (8e/V4)
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I've got a couple of ex-wives I'd like to burn. They sure burned me!
Posted by: greg at June 21, 2005 01:37 PM (/+dAV)
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"Doo ba dee doo wop say what yeah..."
Posted by: osamabinsingin' at June 21, 2005 01:38 PM (CYGDF)
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Punk music is alright, but skanking is fucking stupid.
Posted by: Venom at June 21, 2005 02:12 PM (dbxVM)
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Yeah, and it's not the good gay either.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at June 21, 2005 03:15 PM (WsZ4F)
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Re: Crucified nun.
Religion is a funny thing. It exists only in the minds of its adherents, and each person experiences it differently, depending on many things, such as their personality, local traditions and customs, education level, etc.. Some people are not very stable, or sane, or capable of rational thought, some people always run on an even keel, and the majority are in between. It seems we only notice the best and worst of people whatever situation they're in, but with religion, everything is put in a special context.
An atheist who sacrifices for others is considered no better in general than the average person, but an atheist who murders people and eats their hearts is considered typical of the breed. A religious person who sacrifices for others is a saint, whereas a fanatic who nails a schizophrenic woman to a cross is generally ignored at best or considered an eccentric at worst.
What is it about religion that breeds such hypicirsy in people? If this had been an atheist who nailed a crazy woman up, it would be all over the news, but since a priest did it, it will get mentioned on a few websites and let die in obscurity. The crimes we are willing to overlook for the sake of superstition. It staggers the mind.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 21, 2005 04:12 PM (0yYS2)
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"The crimes we are willing to overlook for the sake of superstition."
IM: I think that media is all-too eager to attack religion. I just read today how Pope Benedict's views limit the rights of parents (i.e., he defends the Church's anti-abortion position on abortion).
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 21, 2005 05:26 PM (AhgnO)
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All I wanted was a Pepsi
Posted by: MKL at June 21, 2005 10:50 PM (zzGZZ)
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And she wouldn't give it to me - just a Pepsi...
Posted by: BUSH LIES - SOLDIERS DIE at June 22, 2005 02:58 AM (FV4oJ)
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Well, YBP: The Pope wants abstinence promoted in Africa, and won't endorse the use of condoms. You can't blame me for thinking this guy is divorced from reality because of this. When will religions in general learn that nature ALWAYS finds a way. Nature cannot be stopped. The sooner religions get over their antiquated sexual power issues, the sooner we will live in a healthier world that isn't so repressed or twisted. It astounds me to think that anyone can think they can tell people to ignore the strongest motivation one has in life besides surviving: to screw often and make more of yourself! Abstinence education is a complete joke. You can't tell a nation dying of AIDS to stop fucking. You have to throw as many condoms at them as you can and hope a cure or vaccine is engineered ASAP.
Posted by: osamabinhiding at June 22, 2005 11:11 AM (CYGDF)
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Osama: The Church's position is that there is a hereafter, and that illicit sex and condome use are against natural law, making their use wrong, which is bad for people spiritually. The Church can't tell people to sin in order to save their lives. it does not get at the root of the matter. People can control their inclinations. Lots of people do it. Having self-discipline is not a joke.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 22, 2005 12:27 PM (x+5JB)
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YBP, I know of all these reasons, but it still doesn't translate to reality for me. Not being sexual is completely unnatural for any form of life unless you are an amoeba. So why is it a sin? Does the church not want people to feel good? Express themselves? Is it a male power thing? I think the self-discipline lies in using a condom to prevent overpopulation, disease and abortion. I think the church is morally irresponsible and backwards for promoting something which results in perversion, repression, disease, rape, overpopulation and starvation. Call me harsh, but I think they need to catch up with the times and change.
Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 22, 2005 02:33 PM (CYGDF)
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Osama:
"Is it a male power thing?"
Stop reading those NARAL brochures. Being sexual doesn't mean copulating with whomever or whatever one desires. There are rules to simply rules to sex--it's the abuse of it that leads to the issues you list, like diease, rape, etc. Do you honestly believe that if every one had a condom rapes would be a thing of the past? Are these acts committed by practicing Catholics? I would say the opposite. Hey, there are liberal Catholics who feel the way you do, but they're just bad Catholics. The Church cannot say something is now good which it has deemed bad so that people will thing it's cool and progressive or "with the times." But the Church is not a democracy. It's a hierarchy, like the army--you live by the rules or go elsewhere.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 22, 2005 03:18 PM (x+5JB)
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TBP wrote:
"IM: I think that media is all-too eager to attack religion."
Not religion so much as Christianity. They seem to be really good at completely ignoring the savagery of Islam, while loudly decrying every little thing that Christians do. I say this as an atheist, which means I say it as an objective observer.
"I just read today how Pope Benedict's views limit the rights of parents (i.e., he defends the Church's anti-abortion position on abortion)."
I don't think that killing unborn babies for the sake of convenience is within anyone's rights, and in fact, I feel that it is quite barbaric. Besides, a society that kills its children can't survive. Is it really a coincidence that Western civilization's decline gained such momentum when abortion became acceptable and widespread? I generally agree with some of the Church's positions, but based on pure pragmatism rather than dogma or doctrine.
See, I think the core of the left is actually anti-civilization and anti-progress, based purely on the outcomes of their plans and policies. Everything they are for is bad for humanity in the long run, though it may look good in the short term. I know there are plenty of people on the left, such as environmentalists and human rights advocates, who are truly sincere and well-intentioned, but who only see a fragment of the big picture, like judging a jigsaw puzzle by looking at only one or two pieces, and who almost always arrive at the wrong conclusions.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 22, 2005 03:58 PM (0yYS2)
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Sorry, I put TBP instead of YBP last post.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 22, 2005 04:11 PM (0yYS2)
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IM: "TBP"
That's okay, I knew whom you meant!
"See, I think the core of the left is actually anti-civilization and anti-progress, based purely on the outcomes of their plans and policies."
Amen. I appreciate your wisdom here comments here concerning abortion. Remember when I said you saw political/philosophical differences where I saw them as being spiritual ones? Well, damn BOTH causes, eh?!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 22, 2005 05:45 PM (ItccO)
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Pigamus Maximus,
If you want to stop killing kids, tell McChimpy to stop BOMBING them in their homes!
Posted by: BUSH LIES - SOLDIERS DIE at June 22, 2005 07:37 PM (FV4oJ)
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YBP:
"Stop reading those NARAL brochures. Being sexual doesn't mean copulating with whomever or whatever one desires."
Why not? Is that not sexual?
"There are rules to simply rules to sex--it's the abuse of it that leads to the issues you list, like disease, rape, etc."
Not having sex with condoms is a huge way to abuse being sexual, as far as diseases are concerned.
"Do you honestly believe that if every one had a condom rapes would be a thing of the past? Are these acts committed by practicing Catholics? I would say the opposite."
Well, with so many priests raping and molesting young boys...I can't agree with you. It pokes (no pun intended) a hole right through the church's abstinence crap. I'm not talking about rapists who have power issues, I'm talking about rape as a result of abstinence. Pretty much every Catholic I know has severe negative sexual issues, depending on how much it was a part of their childhood...everything from shame, guilt, compulsive cleaning habits after sex, problems being intimate with people they love or even girls who grow up thinking it's ok to take it up the ass because that isn't losing their virginity. Nah, that parkinglot blow-job isn't sex... My point is that the repression of human sexuality has almost no positive effect on humanity. It creates more problems than it supposedly solves.
"Hey, there are liberal Catholics who feel the way you do, but they're just bad Catholics. The Church cannot say something is now good which it has deemed bad so that people will thing it's cool and progressive or "with the times." But the Church is not a democracy. It's a hierarchy, like the army--you live by the rules or go elsewhere."
So what your saying is that they are too narrow-minded and stubborn to adapt with the world, or even unwilling to be wrong about something? There's nothing cool about millions of people dying of AIDS in Africa because they think condoms are bad, or priests who can't hack the unnatural effects of pent up sexual energy taking it out on alter boys.
Posted by: osamabingettin'some at June 22, 2005 08:11 PM (CYGDF)
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Osama:
"Well, with so many priests raping and molesting young boys...I can't agree with you. It pokes (no pun intended) a hole right through the church's abstinence crap. I'm not talking about rapists who have power issues, I'm talking about rape as a result of abstinence."
Osama, I said that these acts were not commited by PRACTICING Catholics. Don't look to deviants to state that the ideal isn't good. That's like condemning the code of the military because of the actions of a small percentage of hooligans. 1%-2% of total priests were involved in abuse--plus lots of clergy from other religions that where celibacy IS NOT INVOLVED (protestant, Eastern rites, Jewish, etc.) So celibacy cannot be the cause.
"Pretty much every Catholic I know has severe negative sexual issues, depending on how much it was a part of their childhood...everything from shame, guilt, compulsive cleaning habits after sex, problems being intimate with people they love or even girls who grow up thinking it's ok to take it up the ass because that isn't losing their virginity. Nah, that parkinglot blow-job isn't sex..."
You must know a lot of bad Catholics. Again, I'm talking about PRACTICING Catholics. I know TONS who are not neurotic perverts who don't make excuses for their failings.
"My point is that the repression of human sexuality has almost no positive effect on humanity."
Licentious sexual practice helped lead to the downfall of a couple of famous civilzations. And there should be no "repression" of our desires? If we have desires we should act upon them or else we'll be "neurotic"? That sounds like molesting kids, if that's o=a desire, should be fine. And what about stealing, or murder, too? You use the word 'repression" Others call it self-control, and it's a good thing, or else anarchy would reign. Or diseases, and people dying from AIDS. You wouldn't mind if others hit on/slept with a girlfriend or wife beacause it feels "natural"?
"So what your saying is that they are too narrow-minded and stubborn to adapt with the world, or even unwilling to be wrong about something? There's nothing cool about millions of people dying of AIDS in Africa because they think condoms are bad..."
Sticking to what one has taught as right is not being narrow-minded. Your argument sounds a little like the old "guns kill people" line that completely ignores the human choice aspect. And don't pretend that all those people in Africa are dying because they're good Catholics and won't wear condoms. If they were good Catholics, they wouldn't be having promiscuous sex!
I thoought you were logical than this, friend--is this the SAME Osama???
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 23, 2005 08:14 AM (x+5JB)
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YBP, yeah...hate to disappoint you...it's the same Osama. I don't think anyone has imitated me on here. Make sure you know I have a lot of respect for your views, so I'm not trying to insult you personally:
"Osama, I said that these acts were not committed by PRACTICING Catholics. Don't look to deviants to state that the ideal isn't good. That's like condemning the code of the military because of the actions of a small percentage of hooligans. 1%-2% of total priests were involved in abuse--plus lots of clergy from other religions that where celibacy IS NOT INVOLVED (protestant, Eastern rites, Jewish, etc.) So celibacy cannot be the cause."
I don't condemn troops based on a few idiots. I also don't condemn clergy in religions that don't force the leaders to be celibate. I also don't think all Catholic priests are fondling kids, but I do know that it's more rampant in Catholicism than most. I wonder why? I can't agree with not letting them marry, or be gay. The latter being I'd rather them be in a relationship with a guy than molesting a boy.
"You must know a lot of bad Catholics. Again, I'm talking about PRACTICING Catholics. I know TONS who are not neurotic perverts who don't make excuses for their failings."
"Bad", hehee...I think they use the word "Reformed"! But there's that guilt and shame again. Why so much guilt and shame? Can it really be that I only know the "bad" ones?
"Licentious sexual practice helped lead to the downfall of a couple of famous civilizations."
It didn't cause it, but was abused in decadence...if you're referring to the Romans.
"And there should be no "repression" of our desires? If we have desires we should act upon them or else we'll be "neurotic"? That sounds like molesting kids, if that's o=a desire, should be fine. And what about stealing, or murder, too? You use the word 'repression" Others call it self-control, and it's a good thing, or else anarchy would reign. Or diseases, and people dying from AIDS. You wouldn't mind if others hit on/slept with a girlfriend or wife because it feels "natural"?"
I'm talking about healthy desires with respect to relationship unions, not murder, molestation, abuse or someone trying to boff my girl. I'm talking about 2 consenting adults having sex. Why must that be such a sin? Why must they be married and not use condoms?
"Sticking to what one has taught as right is not being narrow-minded."
Yes, but if it's wrong...then what? Why not question what you are taught since we know how many errors humans have made with "fact" throughout all of our history?
"Your argument sounds a little like the old "guns kill people" line that completely ignores the human choice aspect."
Nah, people kill people. But guns make it easier!
"And don't pretend that all those people in Africa are dying because they're good Catholics and won't wear condoms. If they were good Catholics, they wouldn't be having promiscuous sex!"
Who's to say they are knocking up everyone... I think the problem is lack of education and condoms plus almost no health care. By not helping Africans in the only way that will actually work, you condemn them to a living hell.
"I thought you were logical than this, friend--is this the SAME Osama???"
Yeah, yeah...please don't be offended. We both have humanity's best interests in mind, but just think differently about it. I am very open minded about many things, but I have a very strong view about the church's role of manipulating sexuality in religion.
Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 23, 2005 12:14 PM (CYGDF)
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Osama: "I can't agree with not letting them marry, or be gay"
The Church doesn't say someone can't be "gay," it condemns homosexual behavior as evil--just as it does illicit heterosexual behavior. And it doesn't force people to be celibate--it's a calling. it is promoted as an ideal. If priests can't deal with it, they should leave. They are "married" to the Church, as the Bride of Christ. they are supposed to be 100% dedicated to Her, on call for emmergencies, etc. Who would be a more dedicated emergency doctor--an unmarried man or one whose heart's loyalties are with his family?
"I'm talking about healthy desires with respect to relationship unions, not murder, molestation, abuse or someone trying to boff my girl. I'm talking about 2 consenting adults having sex. Why must that be such a sin? Why must they be married and not use condoms?"
The problem is, there are poeple who would argue that to draw the line at consenting adults is wrong. Without traditional morality, men could argue for sex with children, or goats. Without traditional moralty, it is indeed a slippery slope. My reasons for sex within marriage I've explained. Humans are told that adultery will lead to spiritual death. Condom use, I've sated, is condemmed as being against natural law. If sex is so "natural," doesn't it seem unnatural to stop its natural consequences in some cases (i.e., pregnancy)? If how would children be cared for if everyone were knocking up everyone else? well, look in some inner cities. Condoms promote promiscuity--tjhey do not hinder it. Putting religion aside for a minute--if people ONLY had sex within traditional marriage, what do you think would happen to disease statistics aftr a few years? People point to the Church's teaching and say they are the problem. The problem is that people do not live according to those teachings.
"Pretty much every Catholic I know has severe negative sexual issues, depending on how much it was a part of their childhood...everything from shame, guilt, compulsive cleaning habits after sex, problems being intimate with people..."
This is a caricature. The Church promotes sex as a beautiful thing, but sex has rules. No one who has sex within marriage suffers from shame or guilt. It's those who cheat on spouses or who lurk off to adult book stores that have these problems.
"Yes, but if it's wrong...then what? Why not question what you are taught since we know how many errors humans have made with "fact" throughout all of our history?"
I've stated that it is NOT wrong. It's not an option for the Church to say black is white, or wrong is right. As a Catholic, I trust the Church on this. It is a seamless garmnet of truth.
Those who try to make a Utopia ("Condoms will solve the whole problem") here on earth will never succeeed. people have to change within, and the Church holds the answer to this. Not Kinsey or Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 23, 2005 12:46 PM (x+5JB)
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What I see in “Organized” religions (nationwide or world wide) is that they are
are about controlling the masses. Once again I will semi quote my Government teacher
who stated “If you think of any organization (he said government, it works out to be the same) as a business, then you can see that they will want to grow larger.” How do
churches grow larger? By having more followers. Also on average, the more children
a couple has, the less money they have. The more uneducated the people are, the easier it
is to control them. This boils down to donÂ’t use condoms. Tell me, what kind of sin
is there for two married individuals to use condoms. It is not like they are fornicating.
Or is it a sin for not reproducing. (I think I talked about where this leads once before,
; ) )
Once again, in my “OPINION”, abortion is no ones business but the woman, her
doctor and their God. It is not as IM would have us believe the practices of killing
children. It is the practice of preventing “POTENTIAL” children. The embryos have never been a “LIVING, BREATHING being.” And unlike the Chinese, who actually did
kill itÂ’s (female) children, they did last longer then I believe all the European countries. As for sex leading to the down fall of civilizations, I know of two towns according to the bible but not Civilizations. Which ones?
Posted by: Butch at June 23, 2005 03:48 PM (Gqhi9)
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That should be "they are all about, not they are are"
Posted by: Butch at June 23, 2005 03:59 PM (Gqhi9)
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YBP:
"The Church doesn't say someone can't be "gay," it condemns homosexual behavior as evil--"
What's so evil about it? I know some gay couples that are monogamists that have been together 10-15 years. They put married straight couples to shame... Why is a gay union such an insult or threat to the church?
"Who would be a more dedicated emergency doctor--an unmarried man or one whose heart's loyalties are with his family?"
I think the one with loyalties to his family would be better able to relate and help others in the same situation/setting. I honestly don't think letting priests be sexual would effect their capability to lead or be a good influence on the world.
"Without traditional morality, men could argue for sex with children, or goats. Without traditional morality, it is indeed a slippery slope."
Well, I highly doubt many people suffer from conflicts where they are trying to figure out why they want to screw a goat! Really...I mean, I had no religious upbringing and have had no problems being in monogamy, have never cheated, etc. My parents gave me moral guidance, not the church.
"If sex is so "natural," doesn't it seem unnatural to stop its natural consequences in some cases (i.e., pregnancy)? If how would children be cared for if everyone were knocking up everyone else? well, look in some inner cities. Condoms promote promiscuity--they do not hinder it. Putting religion aside for a minute--if people ONLY had sex within traditional marriage, what do you think would happen to disease statistics after a few years? People point to the Church's teaching and say they are the problem. The problem is that people do not live according to those teachings."
Interesting way of putting it. I still think without condoms, people would still be screwing and we'd just have more pregnancies and disease. Many devices of modern man might seem unnatural, but in modern times have positive effects. I can't say a condom ever ruined someone's life, where the consequences of not using one has.
"This is a caricature. The Church promotes sex as a beautiful thing, but sex has rules. No one who has sex within marriage suffers from shame or guilt. It's those who cheat on spouses or who lurk off to adult book stores that have these problems."
Not really...you don't need to be a deviant to feel shame. Please tell me the rules you speak of, because I can't respond unless I know.
"I've stated that it is NOT wrong. It's not an option for the Church to say black is white, or wrong is right. As a Catholic, I trust the Church on this. It is a seamless garmnet of truth."
I know you are very dedicated, YBP...but what about me? How do I relate to how you think on this having not felt connected to any religion? I don't believe was is taught as the "truth" and it's a brick wall between us both.
"Those who try to make a Utopia ("Condoms will solve the whole problem") here on earth will never succeed. people have to change within, and the Church holds the answer to this. Not Kinsey or Planned Parenthood."
I never said condoms would save the world! Hehehe... I am guilty of having Utopian fantasies, as Carlos quite easily pointed out a few posts back. In reality, I can only hope for the best and do good. By the way, so you dislike Kinsey or Planned Parenthood? Your turn...
Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 23, 2005 09:22 PM (CYGDF)
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Osama: The "rules" regarding sex are those oulayed in the the OT/NT: sex outside of marriage is wrong, as couples seek pleasure without a pledge of commitment. Sex beteeen those of the same gender is clearly stated to be wrong as well. I see it as, since God made us, He has the right and authority to call the shots through His instituted Body here on earth.
Gays are not a threat to the Church, as the Church will last forever, infinetly longer than the last coupling between two men or two women. It reaches out to all people but doesn't condone behaviors that are hurtful to people's souls and thus their salvation.
Regarding Kinsey, his agenda was to to legitimize deviant behavious with his studies. Planned Parenthood, of course, pushes condom and is outright hostile to the the Bride of Christ through their literature and other groups they support and/or endorse.
Regarding the dedication demanded of certain professions (and the priesthood), come on. Up until the last century, people clearly saw that individuasls without split loyalties were more likely to "be there" for those they serve. In the 1800's, most teachers were spinsters ot bachelors. Christ was celibate, and he is supposed to tbe the role model for priests. Some of the early apostles were married, but left that vocation at Christ's urging for a higher vocation, the priesthood. The Church sees this as the ideal. I don't think priests who liked little boys would have been normal had they had a wife at home. Why wouldn't thay have sought women? There were other issues at hand. Most of the priests involved were in their 60's or 70's. They were ordained in the free and easy 1960's, when the Church was more lax in their screening of candidates for priesthood.
You say we have a wall between us, because you can't relate, and are not connected to any religion. One isn't always born into these things (like a church). I wasn't. I had no religious upbringing at all others than SOME societal guidelines. I've tried your way, but I knew something was missing. We are told that God is good, and will always reach out to those who truly seek Him. But we have to do that first. And we have to want to. God doesn't force allegiance to His ways.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 24, 2005 08:20 AM (x+5JB)
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YBP, you stated, "Christ was celibate", but how do we really know.
All we have is a bunch of stories handed down word of mouth to word
of mouth until it was eventually written down. Being an educated man
as you are, I am certain that you have heard of the Devinci Code, right.
The case they make in "The breaking of the Devinci Code"
all sound very logical. It actually sounds more plausible then
a celibate Jesus(the man not the Christ). (If you have not seen the movie, let me know and I will go into what they say.)Also have you ever heard of Jesus Pentera, who some say is the result of a Roman soldier Ben Pentera's rape of Mary. That is why Jesus does not have a last name due to the fact that he was illegitimate. Now I am not saying either of these are true, but I am saying they do sound more plausible then a virgin birth. I guess what I am trying to say with all of my rambling is we only really have one main book, the Bible, to really tell us about Jesus. But looking at the Bible, I see things wrong with it. I see stories in it that belongs to other religions that were prior to Christianity. I see, (my own opinion), a book that starts off as a familyÂ’s genealogy, that is why there is only Eve and no other women. The forgot the womenÂ’s name. I believe, that a lot of the doÂ’s and donÂ’t of the bible were old men in a patriarchal position who did or did not like what was happening so they made a law about it. Hate pork, eating pork is sinful. Hate working on Sunday, Sunday is now a no work day, so on. Where is the facts about Jesus. We donÂ’t even really know when he was born. I know it was not December 25, that is just when we celebrate it. So how can we know who Jesus really is, of if the Bible is truly correct. As I have stated in other posts, I know there is a God, due to the fact of to many logical and orderly occurrences in the universe to have been random chance. Beyond that, I am still looking and hopefully learning more each day.
Posted by: Butch at June 24, 2005 11:13 AM (Gqhi9)
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Butch: Scholars place Christ's birth two years before the year zero. There was actually an atrolonomical phenomema that year that was the guiding star for the three wisemen. There's debate about the year--very complicated reading, and many scholars indeed place the birth in December. We know Jesus was not married because there is no mention of an immediate family other than his two parents, Joseph and Mary, who was ever-virgin. The spouses of some of the early apostles are mentioned--hence, there is no reason why a supposed wife of Jesus would not have been married. Also, on the cross, He gives his mother over to the care of an apostle, Joseph having died before. Had he had his own family, Mary would have been in this person's care.
The Da-Vinci Code is truly evil propaganda meant to slander and scandalize. It's already been debunked by many scholars, protestant and Catholic. I just hope the author repents of his crime in writing that trash so he doesn't have to suffer for it in the next world.
Have a good weekend, my friend.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 24, 2005 11:58 AM (x+5JB)
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YBP...I wasn't saying that priests who molest boys should have wives. It's pretty obvious they'd probably be better off with other consenting men! They probably picked boys because they are easier to manipulate into being quiet. I also know that priests molesting boys is no new phenomenon, so you can't blame the 60's! I read what you write about religion and so little of it weighs of fact for me...the faith you have is something I might never understand since I have guidelines for what I believe. If there is factual proof of evolution, or how long it took for our planet to form, or even the virginal birth of Christ? Come on...who would be walking around with half the DNA needed to live? From my point of view it is like many other religions that are based on stories handed down over many many generations to explain the unexplainable, often full of exaggeration. I can't put my faith in stories, especially when they are so full of holes and misinformation. I'm not dumping on religion as a whole though...there are many positive effects that religion can have on people, but many negatives as well. I'm quite comfortable not knowing the secrets of the universe and I really doubt that our minds are capable of really understanding them anyway...not that it doesn't hurt to try. I also don't worry about my fate as I accept it for whatever it is. I make the best of my life and have good values...even if I'm wrong about any theology, I doubt a "God" would have me burn in hell for not believing any of them when they all conflict so much and science seems to be more believable.
Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 24, 2005 12:51 PM (CYGDF)
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Osama: Half the DNA? God is not bound to science, as science is what men have created to explain the world in which we live. It doesn't nor can it not explain everything. Check out "Orthodoxy," by G. K. Chesterton. Or Lewis (even though he's a Prot) "The Case for Christianity." If the Church was trying to come up with some beliefs to bamboozle the populace, would they have chosen virgin birth? Why hasn't there been an explanation in the last 300 years, when we supposedly began to rely more on reqason than faith, to brush it aside as a "story created by superstitious Jews," or a symbolic interpretation to explain how special Christ was? It's so bizarre, it's real, my friend. Proof for evolution? Check out "Creationism Rediscovered." Osama, we can go on for ever, here. I've done my obligation to explain what I believe. We can't both be right. But one day we'll BOTH know the truth.
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June 18, 2005
Fatwas, Fatwas Everywhere and Not a One For Me! (Religion of Peace Update)

There was an election in Iran yesterday, or what passes for an election in a country that proclaims my toilet paper (the Quran) to be the highest law of the land. Persians were asked to vote either for hard line Mullahs who want severe oppression or moderate Mullahs who only want a moderate amount of oppression. Either way, the fatwas are to keep on a rolling against every one and everything (but me!). What type of drugs do you have to be on to describe Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani as a reformist or a moderate when the guy supports terrorism and a Jew free Middle East?
Oh, and check this out from Will Franklin who almost gets himself arrested for attempting to report on the Iranian elections in Houston. Yes, a nation that we have no formal diplomatic ties to and which is a state sponsor of terrorism was allowed to run polling places on U.S. soil. Gateway Pundit reports on a polling station in St. Louis and Publius Pundit from another location.
Check out what the grandson of Ayatollah Khomeini says to Christopher Hitchens:
I stand," he tells me calmly, "for the complete separation of religion and the state." In terms that would make the heart of a neocon soar like a hawk, he goes on to praise President Bush's State of the Union speech, to warn that the mullahs cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons, and to use the term "Free World" without irony: "Only the Free World, led by America, can bring democracy to Iran."
Zawahiri crawls out of his cave to announce to the world his NAMBLA membership will be renewed.
The Taliban didn't get that memo from Howard Dean in which they directed to lay down their arms and give us no more problems since the U.N. approved that invasion and is in charge of rebuilding there. Yup, their still at it and have taken 18 police hostage.
The lunatics in the Arab world are at it again: Zarqawi is an American agent.
Hi, I'm Bono and I didn't know all that Muslims took that stoning shit seriously.
KG over at the California Mafia notices that one of the men arrested in the Lodi al Qaeda ring was seen at a 9/11 peace service. Not strange at all if one knows about the Islamic practice of taqiyah, or permissible lying. It also could be explained by the fact that many radical Muslims do believe in world peace and unity. Remember Darth Vader's dreams were of peace and order for the galaxy--which could only be insured by a heavy handed tyranny. So to many MUslims believe that once Islam dominates the world then love, peace, and joy. The utopian caliphate is the long-term strategic goal of al Qaeda and other Salafist groups.
And would it shock you to find out that the head of The Islamic Center of El Paso was taken into custody for an 'administrative immigration violations'?? Remember, 'lying about belonging to a terrorist organization' is not the same as 'belonging to a terrorist organization'......
In Yemen 11 al Qaeda terrorists were just sprung by an appeals court. This is the place where the USS Cole was attacked and is an 'ally' in the GWOT.
Two jihadis in Michigan to be sentenced and a grad student at The University of Arkansas arrested for his plans to do exactly what Edward Said, Noam Chomsky, and a majority of his professor's rhetoric (if believed) compelled him to do--become a Jew killing terrorist.
Cassandra, over at Villainous Company, has decided that terror is not the enemy, but ignorance, and has put the MSM in the crosshairs.
John from Crossroads of Arabia notes that some in Saudi Arabia are looking to Iraq as a success story.

The guys over at Move America Forward have started an I Heart Gitmo campaign. I love it. Slap that bumper sticker on and where this t-shirt to your next poli sci class....
A former gulag prisoner speaks out against Amnesty International, Dick Durbin, and the idiots of the Left drawing comparisons to gitmo.
Durbin sort of apologizes, but not really......CENSURE NOW!! Speaking of, a new alliance has formed called Blogs for Censure. Needless to say, I'm a charter member.
Confederate Yankee on Dick Durbin alienating the dead vote. (SFW: no gay porn in post)
Lileks is, well, Lileks.
Dave Burge, known to the rank-and-file as Iowahawk, is back and he has found some of the personal correspondence of Dick Durbin.
Cameron has penned a poem in Dick's honor.
And for the definitive last word on Durbin, you have to see Cox and Forkum.
John Conyers (Moonbat-MI).
Let the analogies to the Greek gods killing their Titan parents begin. Blog-son Dan Riehl is set to be on Fox News tonight. If you are interested in the you-know-who missing in Aruba case you'll do no better than checking in with Dan over at Riehl World View or with Red and Tom over at Scared Monkeys. These two blogs consistently beat the MSM to breaking news in Aruba.
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Thank you your Rustiness.
Posted by: Jane at June 18, 2005 12:24 PM (6krEN)
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I notice that there were women lined up to vote in the Iran election, even if it is rigged.
This is more than can be said for our "allies" Saudi Arabia. We sure do come off looking like jack asses supporting a Government that is more like the Taliban's regime of the day, with religious police, and Sharia law enforcement, public execution of dissidents and destruction of Christian materials, I wish we would take a harder line against them.
Posted by: dave at June 18, 2005 12:49 PM (fsJ2z)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 18, 2005 12:50 PM (JQjhA)
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I for one refuse to give any money to any of the American hotel chains that accepted the Mullahcracy's "polling" places. To their management, I say forcefully:
"If you're too stupid to understand what you have just supported, I am too intelligent to give you my money."
I listed them in my last post.
Sleep elsewhere, fellow travelers.
Posted by: USMC_Vet at June 18, 2005 01:05 PM (a2nLV)
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Iran is going to get sorted out by its own people pretty soon. 70% of 75,000,000 people, that's, uh let's see, carry the 2... 52,500,000, are under 30 years of age. They don't remember the revolution, they don't remember the Shah, and they're sick and tired of a bunch of old men in dresses and turbans telling them what to do. They want to wear blue jeans and drink Coca Cola. They want to travel and study and fall in love, and they don't want some religious police goons hanging around asking questions. Bless them. Liberty and Justice for All, I say.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 18, 2005 02:04 PM (0yYS2)
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Just posted this over at Outside the Beltway re the Iranian election fraud and sham:
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The Iranian election is just a facade and sham for the MSM, the liberal left, and our Euro Weenie allies. The outcome of this election is already predetermined. Good PR though to make it look like a close race. Gives a sense of legitimacy that doesnÂ’t exist in reality.
There are many parallels to the World of the 1930Â’s with the rise of the Third Reich and appeasement of tryants in hopes they would go away. Appeasement doesnÂ’t work with tryants.
See my previous comment over at In From the Cold
DITTO!
NowÂ’s the time for all Americans to either stand up for what is right or shut up and get off the stage and quit whinning about GITMO.
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Dr Zin and the SMCCDI can use everyoneÂ’s help NOW!
http://regimechangeiran.com
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Read More Here
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/11003#comment-49277
Posted by: Ron Wright at June 18, 2005 02:24 PM (3y48U)
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Reasons why Rusty doesn't get a fatwa:
- Background colors soothe the Muslims reading these things
- Site has not yet made important undeniably false accusations about Islam or Muslims even if it reports all bad things related to them
- Site occasionally contains ''pro-muslim'' commenters who aren't treated with much hostility
- My pet jawa doesn't seem overUsaic and also seems like Rusty actually likes sandpeople enough to take care of them as pets
- Site might've slipped their infidel-radar, since the biggest mentions about this site are the USSR-atrocity article(s?) and articles about what that guy said about those guys
Posted by: A Finn at June 18, 2005 04:00 PM (lGolT)
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Thanks for the link.
The interesting thing in the Arkansas case is that a public university professor actually turned our junior jihadist into the authorities.
Posted by: Matt at June 18, 2005 04:15 PM (jAQRx)
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"The lunatics in the Arab world are at it again: Zarqawi is an American agent."
That one cracked me up. All these conspiracies seem to stem from Egyptian "scholars" and "historians". Those guys are all WHACKED. I would venure to guess that Big Guy is of Egyptian descent.
Posted by: Oyster at June 18, 2005 08:56 PM (YudAC)
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"The Iranian election is just a facade and sham for the MSM, the liberal left, and our Euro Weenie allies. The outcome of this election is already predetermined. Good PR though to make it look like a close race. Gives a sense of legitimacy that doesnÂ’t exist in reality."
Now, for the cherry on top, Jimmah Cahtah will probably fall all over himself rushing to certify it. Liberals are slimy, subhuman, scumbag traitors to humanity, and should all be shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 18, 2005 09:04 PM (0yYS2)
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Oyster, a light in the void of the blogosphere, observed:
"The lunatics in the Arab world are at it again: Zarqawi is an American agent."
"That one cracked me up. All these conspiracies seem to stem from Egyptian "scholars" and "historians". Those guys are all WHACKED. I would venure to guess that Big Guy is of Egyptian descent."
I have a theory: Every culture has its own values and ideas of behavior, and if we in America do some simple objective comparisons, as I have, we might find some things interesting, such as the presence or absence of the concepts of honor and shame.
Honor is something that the Western world seldom speaks of anymore, for various reasons, and I think that's a shame, because when a society loses its sense of honor, it begins to decline in certain ways. We also seldom speak of shame, because honor and shame go hand in hand. We can safely say that America is thickly inhabited by honorless, shameless people, at least by our standards.
Now if you go East, you will find most people in most cultures have a keen sense of honor and shame, but how they express those concepts and deal with them are unique to each culture. In Japan, for instance, if someone makes an offense, they are likely to be shunned by society and family until they have made amends. In America, we generally overlook most things that would make someone an outcast in Japan. This neither makes us better nor worse, relatively speaking, just culturally different, but the key is that in both societies, though polar opposites in so many ways, the outcome is that order and harmony are maintained, and society isn't terribly disrupted by the actions of an individual or group.
But then there are the Muslims. Islamic society, wherever it exists, is based on Arab culture, and rarely has a more dysfunctional culture existed, whether judged subjectively or objectively. Arabs are still very tribal by nature, whereas we in the West and the Far East abandoned tribalism long ago for the greater concepts of society and civilization, and therefore are much more socially evolved. I know some would make the argument that civilization begain in the Middle East, which is true, but it didn't begin among Arabs, and certainly not among belligerent tribes of nomadic raiders, and it still hasn't taken hold there these eight thousand years later.
One thing that sets Arab culture apart from the civilized world is that they are obsessed with their honor, but they have no sense of shame. They stand ready to justify any excess in retaliation to offenses against their honor, but they can not see anything they do as being dishonorable. To them, killing a person, or many people, is no different than killing a bug, if they are offended, no matter in what small way. Arabs have no sense of moderation, to them, every offense is worthy of death.
In their simplicity, rashness, cruelty born of lack of conscience, they are much like feral dogs who run uncontrolled and commit various crimes, both petty and grand, with no sense of right or wrong, only the need for gratification of lust, awaiting an opportunity. Anyone who refuses to accept civilized behavior cannot be dealt with as sane, rational adults, but rather must be dealt with as feral dogs.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 19, 2005 08:45 AM (0yYS2)
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