May 12, 2005
About That Little Girl
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Remember the picture? That little girl had a name:
Her name was Farah, and she died in the arms of Major Mark Bieger who found her after the car bomb that attacked our guys while Farah and other kids were crowding around.
The name of the guy who snapped the picture is Michael Yon and he has a blog:
"The soldiers here have been angry and sad for two days. They are angry
because the terrorists could just as easily have waited a block or two
and attacked the patrol away from the kids. Instead, the suicide bomber
drove his car and hit the Stryker when about twenty children were
jumping up and down and waving at the soldiers. Major Bieger, I had
seen him help rescue some of our guys a week earlier during another big
attack, took some of our soldiers and rushed this little girl to our
hospital. He wanted her to have American surgeons and not to go to the
Iraqi hospital. She didn't make it. I snapped this picture when Major
Bieger ran to take her away. He kept stopping to talk with her and hug
her."
Michael Yon's blog also gives us some details on rounding up suicide bombers.
Go read it ...
Hat tip - Speed of Thought and Mudville Gazette
Cross posted at Hyscience
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The terrorist aren't aiming for a specific person; their aim is to kill as many as possible, without regard to anything. They wish destruction. There is nothing to them buthate. They would not care if the children who were rushing about the soldiers were their own or a neighbors; they just want to destroy.
Posted by: Rachel Ann at May 12, 2005 11:36 PM (3NWuh)
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Agreed -- the embodiment of pure hate fueled by the bloodthirsty culture of Islam.
But do the ordinary citizens see these killers as the murderers they are, or are they viewed as some sort of "freedom fighters?" It seems they're only really effective at killing their own countrymen. Surely they're despised by everyday, ordinary Iraqis?
Posted by: jonturner at May 13, 2005 01:13 AM (YR9y8)
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Extremely stupid killing in the name of God. Both sides are killing with the same gods permission anyway (well fine, maybe some are fighting with Jesus' permission). Doesn't matter if you call Jumala God, Yahweh, Allah or friggin' Jehova. If you're fighting people who worship the same god under a different name you shouldn't drag Him into it by claiming you're doing His work by killing his other kind of followers.
Posted by: A Finn at May 13, 2005 02:59 AM (cWMi4)
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Finn: There are huge differences between the worshipped entities you name. They are not the same god (e.g., the Christian God is a Trinity, an idea Islamics deny). But everyone already knows this.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 05:37 AM (NHpg8)
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"They are not the same god (e.g., the Christian God is a Trinity, an idea Islamics deny)."-YBP
I disagree with you YBP. By your logic the Jews also worship a different God since the don't believe in the Holy Trinity. Let's put this "my God is bigger than your God" shit to rest.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 08:25 AM (/+dAV)
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>>>"But do the ordinary citizens see these killers as the murderers they are, or are they viewed as some sort of "freedom fighters?"
I don't know what the ordinary Iraqi thinks, or even what muslims here at home think. But guilt-ridden white Liberals here definitely see them as freedom fighters-- as "minutemen."
Posted by: Carlos at May 13, 2005 09:33 AM (8e/V4)
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Greg: "By your logic the Jews also worship a different God since the don't believe in the Holy Trinity. Let's put this "my God is bigger than your God" shit to rest."
Correct, by my logic they do, as they only acknowledge one facet of God. Is the Christian revelation better? Yes, or else one denies the divinity of Christ. As far as putting theological debates to rest, Catholics are required to defend their faith, verbally and in writing, as have the great theoligians/doctors of the Church (many of them saints) throughout the ages. Indifferentism and latitudinarianism been condemned as heresies By Blessed Pius IX in "Quanta Cura."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 10:06 AM (x+5JB)
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Will Jews go to Hell in your opinion?
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 10:22 AM (/+dAV)
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Regarding the god debate. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all have the same God at their heart. Islam and Judaism recognize Abraham as their patriarch. Since the God of Abraham is their God as well, that means they worship the same God as the basis of their religion. Christians also worship the God of Abraham so that puts us in the same boat.
BTW, I don't think Jews refuse to recognize the trinity, in Genesis 4:8, God says "let us go down" thereby implying that He is not alone. Also Psalm 110:1 says, "The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." I think Jews recognize the trinity they just don't recognize Jesus as part of the trinity. We Christians believe that we are right and the old testament of the Bible supports and prophesies the coming of Jesus (see Isaiah 53) and a prophecy in Daniel predicted the exact date that the messiah would enter Jerusalem. Jews and Muslims refuse to worship God as He is and have, instead, created an idol of the way they want God to be. The truth was at the heart of their religions but not in its practice. The one, living God is the source of all three but the truth is found only in Christianity.
Now, a nice academic discussion but, A Finn, your whole argument is invalid. US and coalition forces are NOT in Iraq in the name of God. They don't go around claiming they're there to liberate the people in God's name and they sure as hell aren't claiming to be doing His work. Get your facts straight and don't spew idiocy.
Posted by: Brian at May 13, 2005 10:51 AM (pXsN/)
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Greg, mind if I answer? Jews who don't believe in the Christ will go to Hell. God isn't finished with Israel. There are several prophecies in both the old and new testaments of the Christian Bible which state that in the end, the nation of Israel will believe in Christ and be born again (nation being defined not as every individual but as the believing core that has always been true to God throughout history). I don't know how Jews could believe they will go to paradise today considering without blood sacrifice they aren't relieved of sin and they can't sacrifice anywhere but the Jerusalem temple which hasn't existed since it was destroyed in 760 A.D.
The only way, under the dispensation of Grace, to have eternal life with God is to believe that He sent Jesus to earth to provide a once-for-all sacrifice to meet His just and perfect requirements. All we must believe is that Jesus was the Son of God and died to free us from the penalties of our imperfection.
Posted by: Brian at May 13, 2005 10:58 AM (pXsN/)
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Having killed God's son Jesus, are Jews still the chosen people in your opinion?
"Let His blood be on our children's hands."
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 11:06 AM (/+dAV)
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They are absolutely still His chosen people. He's omniscient and forever. He knew before creating the world to begin with what would happen to Jesus. When Christ died, it was God's plan. Someone had to betray Him and someone had to kill Him. Caiaphas, the high Jewish priest, unwittingly spoke God's plan when he said, as stated in John 11:50, "it is expedient for you that one man die for the people."
God sent Jesus to die. It was the plan all along. The Jews paid for the curse they called upon themselves with the destruction of the temple, and therefore their access to God and the temporary forgiveness given through the blood sacrifice, through their scattering, persecution and deaths in atrocities like the WWII holocaust. But God's grace is sufficient to forgive even the killing of His Son. Before Christ died, God knew every sin committed by every person, past present and future and promised that every one of those sins would be forgiven by faith in Christ. So, the Jews are not beyond redemption and they are still God's chosen. How else would they have survived all the efforts throughout all the centuries to exterminate them as a people?
Posted by: Brian at May 13, 2005 11:14 AM (pXsN/)
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Very nice Brian.
I don't take the Bible literally personally. The Jews penned themselves in as the chosen people, but I can't believe an all loving God would love one people more than any of his other creations.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 11:28 AM (/+dAV)
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Brian has answered nicely.
Christians are told to spread the Good News, and I don't think that we need to dwell too much on the bad news (i.e., the certainty of eternal punishment). God has revealed to mankind some pretty good clues about this, and in the end, only He knows.
The last question: No. The chosen people are those who will spend eternity with God through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant. Jesus says (paraphrasing here) that "No man comes unto the Father except through Me." Jews (not the race, but those who practice Judaism) deny the divinity of Christ and have thus forsaken a part in the New Covenant. Christians should pray for their conversion. And many HAVE converted, like Edith Stein, now "Blessed," and Eugenio Zolli (a former rabbi).
Perhaps we need to save this for another thread, though???
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 11:30 AM (x+5JB)
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Greg: He loves his creatures equally, but those who do not acccept the Gift of His Son are shutting themselves from that love. Jesus says "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matt 7:14). So those who don't accept the gift are not accepting that gift, offered to all by God, who loves all equally. People choose their fate, not God.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 11:40 AM (x+5JB)
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I think the Jews fucked up when they killed they're own Messiah. They have lost the status of chosen people in my estimation.
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 11:59 AM (/+dAV)
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Greg: The Jews are God's Chosen people in the OT, but this status has shifted to Christians from the NT on. But I agree with Brian that God is never-changing and still extends the gift of salvation to the Jews, just as He does to all people. Historically and religiously speaking, they are His Chosen People, but they have foresaken Him.
But the Temple was destroyed in 33 A.D. at Christ's crucifiction.
It makes you wonder about the plight of the Jews since this time--nomadic, persecuted, etc. A judement?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 12:05 PM (x+5JB)
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YBP, the temple wasn't destroyed in 33 A.D., the veil of the temple was torn, signifying man's new direct access to God, during the earthquake following Christ's death. But the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. (I mis-typed earlier)during the Roman sack of Jerusalem under Titus.
Greg, God is sovereign. He can choose to love one thing more than another if He wants to. He created the Jews and promised they would be a blessing to the whole world, which they have been, through Christ. They may have forsaken Him, but He has not forsaken them. This is a point that YBP and I will have to disagree upon unless he can provide scripture to back up his claim that God rescinded His "chosen people" status. Christian's aren't the chosen people, we are the church. Two different groups.
Posted by: Brian at May 13, 2005 12:25 PM (pXsN/)
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Did we need to give greg a topic to express more of his anti-semitism?
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 13, 2005 02:43 PM (xauGB)
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Brian--You: "They may have forsaken Him, but He has not forsaken them. This is a point that YBP and I will have to disagree upon..."
Me: "Historically and religiously speaking, they are His Chosen People, but they have foresaken Him."
I was wrong about the year--thank you.
I indeed maintain that the Jews hold the title of "Chosen People"--it's an historical fact. I'm using the term in a "NT sense" in that the new "chosen people" are the people to whom God has opened up a new plan of salvation (i.e., Christians). You are "God's son," even though historically, Christ is "God's Son." The former true and is an extention of the biblical "definition."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 02:47 PM (x+5JB)
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Robin: Sorry. And wrong thread for this!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 02:49 PM (x+5JB)
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Robin is so bossy!
Posted by: greg at May 13, 2005 03:45 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg: Fiesty she is.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 13, 2005 08:42 PM (dj7/y)
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Only Romano-Catholic and most Protestant Churches believe in the Holy Trinity. Orthodox churches and conservative Protestant churches deny Jesus Christs role as a god of some sort, as well as Holy Ghosts. Eventhough Jesus only told people to worship his father, assumeably Yahweh, the Romano-Catholic church made him a divine creature equivalent to God himself, and named the Popes the reincarnations of Jesus and the voice of God on Earth. This twisted idea became popular amongst commoners and even now, when the Popes have lost their place as leaders of the religion and world, Jesus and the Holy Ghost have been raised to the status of God in western churches.
So, are the Orthodox Christians actually Jews or Muslims just because they believe in the Holy Trinity? Don't think so. Jesus was just a godspawn, a supernatural man sent to make people worship God more, not an actual God-like creature. And the Holy Ghost is probably just what people call things possessed by God.
And now, my own philosophy (quit reading if not willing to actually think about it):
God is like cold and darkness. There is no such thing, it's just a name for an absence of another. Like cold is just the absence of warmth, an effect of atom movement speed and collision rate changing down, and like darkness is just the absence of light, rays of fotons and gravitons that reflects differently from various objects giving the ability to define objects by sight.
God is the absence of understanding. When understanding is running at a near zero level, actions beyond that are acts of God, until someone understands them. Once mankind understands everything, God is de-existed.
There is no God, God is just an excuse for being stupid enough not to know.
Posted by: A heretic Finn at May 14, 2005 05:36 AM (lGolT)
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Finn: Stick to writing about the stray cats.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 14, 2005 07:20 AM (x+5JB)
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Nah, blasphemy is a lot more fun now that I think about it. Stray cat thing might've been a nice reason to have a hunting holiday in Wisconsin. Quite an exotic catch a legally hunted cat would be.
Posted by: A Finn at May 14, 2005 07:50 AM (lGolT)
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Finn: They've just called off the cat killing. Sorry.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 14, 2005 09:22 AM (x+5JB)
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A very important "don't" was forgotten 2 my posts back, between "because they" and "believe in". Comment-editing possibility would be nice for this.
Oh yeah, hate mail to *see e-mail address from Posted by:*
Posted by: A Finn at May 14, 2005 10:09 AM (lGolT)
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Sad... So many small birds will be targeted by both stray cats and kids with air guns now that those guns were pointed away from the felines... Plus now I guess I'll just go see my moms aunt in Florida and go fishing in Minnesota instead of the great Wisconsin kittie hunt. (I'll try to visit Finland, Minnesota too =) )
Posted by: A Finn at May 14, 2005 12:27 PM (lGolT)
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I'm very fascinated by history but let's face it; I for one don't have a clue what God is and no freakin unchecked bible source is going to convince me of anything else.
If people want to base their beliefs on a book that's fine with me. Personally, I'm still waiting for great Yahweh (or whatever) to show a sign of his holy powers, like partin the Red sea or something really big.
I'm not going to hold my breath though. *Yawn*
Posted by: IM at May 14, 2005 03:41 PM (a9tRx)
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If there is a god, may he smite me dead and write his name with blood on my walls before this time tomorrow. If I'm not here on Monday, believe, if I am, be annoyed as usual.
Posted by: A Finn at May 14, 2005 04:02 PM (lGolT)
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IM: You missed that parting by a few thousand years!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 14, 2005 04:26 PM (qtPlK)
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That was a single-use power? Or maybe God depleted all of his holy powers and needs to re-energize em' for the next 3 thousand years or so.
hmm
Posted by: IM at May 14, 2005 04:52 PM (a9tRx)
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Red Sea parting was probably just Jews crossing the shallow end when the tide was low, and the Pharaoh came too late to cross it before the water rose back. (12h to dead-line, God. I'm waiting)
Posted by: A Finn at May 15, 2005 03:55 AM (lGolT)
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Finn: O ye of little faith.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 15, 2005 08:31 AM (qtPlK)
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I live, so be annoyed.
Posted by: A Finn at May 16, 2005 01:50 AM (cWMi4)
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Finn: No one wants you dead. Just enlightened.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at May 16, 2005 07:36 AM (x+5JB)
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"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
Ezekiel 24:17
Israelis, Muslims and Christians are destroying each other and flaming hatred towards one another, and God, despite the Trinity thing in Romano-Catholic-based-Christianity, is the Lord of all sides
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"vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers"
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The Lord should crush all of you and them, and leave pasifist atheists to rule the world.
Posted by: A Finn at May 17, 2005 06:03 AM (cWMi4)
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In this case:
create tension between groups
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flame hatred
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"poison my brothers"
Posted by: A Finn at May 17, 2005 06:05 AM (cWMi4)
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