December 29, 2005
Sami al-Arian: 'Professor Of Terror'
The acquittal on December 6 of Sami al-Arian, a former professor of computer engineering at the University of South Florida, on eight counts relating to terrorism was a setback not only for the Department of Justice and the Bush administration, but also for the struggle against Islamic extremism itself. That the Florida jury deadlocked on another nine counts, however, leaves open the possibility of his ultimate conviction.
So why did Sami al-Arian get away with 17 counts of assisting a terror group and conspiring to commit murder relating to the attacks carried out by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Israel? This, in spite of the fact that his trial did clarify once and for all - after years of denial by the professor and his supporters - establish that Al-Arian was a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad - a group that engages in terrorist acts including suicide bombings in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank, approved of its goals and methods, and raised money in the United States to finance its activities.
After all, at the time of the indictment, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad was responsible for the murder of over 100 innocent people in Israel and the Occupied Territories, including at least two young Americans, Alisa Flatow, age 20, and Shoshana Ben-Yishai, age 16. And clearly, al-Arian's help in funding the murders should warrant his being found guilty since raising money for a terrorist group that committs murder, is a federal crime every bit as much as personally planting the bomb.
So, what role - if any, did the trial judge play in the terrorist-supporting al-Arian escaping justice for his participation in the murder of Israeli civilians and American citizens? Read Ronald Radosh's piece in The Weekly Standard and find out about the judges' role and why Sami al--Arian got off this time...
And as one would expect from the ilk of the ACLU or Amnesty International - defenders of the rights of terrorists, AI is urging the US authorities to ensure that Sami Al-Arian is afforded humane treatment and due process in any further proceedings taken against him. And what humane treatment and due process was afforded those innocent Israelis murdered with the help of funds raised by al-Arian?
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I'm beginning to think that Floridistanis are about as stupid as Californistanis on average if they let this man off when the evidence is so clear. I wonder if New Yorkistanis would have done it any differently?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 29, 2005 04:53 PM (0yYS2)
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Florida is indeed full of idiots.
Posted by: IO ERROR at December 29, 2005 05:21 PM (vhWf1)
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Agent Brown will be keeping an eye on him.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 29, 2005 09:05 PM (TP7SP)
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Not all Floridians are idiots, just the ones that have moved here from up North. 
Posted by: Thirdee at December 29, 2005 09:51 PM (sH6Sa)
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Oh yeah. This Floridian wishes she was on the jury.
Posted by: Thirdee at December 29, 2005 09:56 PM (sH6Sa)
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Personally, I wish we could specify *inhumane* treatment for certain types of criminals, like this guy assuming he's guilty. But suggesting that any suspect doesn't deserve due process is real bad. Hands off the Rule of Law--it's one of the things that makes the U.S. not suck.
I also wish we could adopt a law similar to what Putin is trying to establish in Russia, clamping down on foreign NGO's. I'm getting real sick of European pansies coming here and agitating over how we treat our thugs and thieves as if it were some legitimate concern of theirs.
Posted by: ShannonKW at December 30, 2005 03:05 AM (dT1MB)
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Amen, Thirdee!
I'm a Floridian. Have been all my life. Please consider that al-Arian and those who let him go are from that part of Florida which is a bastion of liberalism (aside from Dade county as well). Judge Greer who was hell bent from day one to allow Michael Schiavo do whatever he damn well pleased was from the same area of Florida, the middle west coast.
Send these f**kers to Jacksonville and see how well they fare. We'll eat 'em for lunch and then go out for dessert.
While I'm originally from south Florida and love the weather down there, I'll suffer the bitter winters here (it's all relative) to remain among those where the men are men and the women can shoot.
Posted by: Oyster at December 30, 2005 05:53 AM (YudAC)
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We also have a local population of immigrants here, mostly from the New York and Chicago areas, and they brought their infection of liberal stupidity with them. We also have a few "halfbacks", who are Yankees who moved to Florida then moved halfway back, and landed here. Proof of the superiority of Southern culture is that we tolerate them though there is no reason to.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 30, 2005 08:16 AM (0yYS2)
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I thought Florida was full of Jewish snowbirds from NY who never went back - now even they think terrorism is ok, as long as it is just against Israel?
Posted by: Glenmore at December 30, 2005 08:25 AM (80Dji)
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From my experience Glenmore, that's about the size of it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 30, 2005 09:42 AM (0yYS2)
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hahahahah!
suck on this one you kufrs!
Posted by: Jawa and all Jawa supporters....Suck! at December 30, 2005 01:54 PM (n3EHA)
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We'll get the jihadi pig bastard before its all over with. Bwaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!Yeah, and it will feel great to put his ass behind bars!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 30, 2005 07:44 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Smith says all of you podlings don't need bars, as your minds are under control already.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 30, 2005 10:33 PM (HuVhz)
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Smith,
if you folks spent as much time trying to understand what motivates us podlings as you do trying to "understand" what motivates the enemies of this country, then maybe your view of us podlings would change a bit.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 31, 2005 10:35 AM (8e/V4)
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Someone should ban this idiot before he has the greg effect and chases off real commenters.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 31, 2005 11:59 AM (0yYS2)
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Exactly right, IM. I'm sick and tired of the crap, myself. It has gone on way too long.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 31, 2005 01:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Agent Smith says, if it were only your fantasy you could see through, you would choose to keep it.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 31, 2005 06:27 PM (X9zNj)
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The Al-Arian trial and its results prove unequivically that the legal system cannot fight terrorist networks.
The proper response to a possible terrorist operating is to monitor, carefully gather evidence to prove guilt (no skipping over this step!), and when the case is built...
..blow his ass away with a sniper rifle.
If the state won't do its job, then the people must.
"Vigilantism"'s root word is Vigilance.
Posted by: MegaTroopX at January 01, 2006 10:13 AM (yT/Rw)
December 19, 2005
Islamic Army Of Iraq Posts Video Of Ronald Schulz Execution (Updated)
DEBKAfile is reporting that the Islamic Army of Iraq posted a video on the Internet claiming the execution of American security consultant Ronald Shulz who was abducted Dec. 8. The 8 second video shows gunmen shooting a kneeling blindfolded figure whose face is hidden. We have the video and it will be available shortly.
DEBKAfile is reporting that the Islamic Army of Iraq posted a video on the Internet claiming the execution of American security consultant Ronald Shulz who was abducted Dec. 8. The 8 second video shows gunmen shooting a kneeling blindfolded figure whose face is hidden. We have the video and it will be available shortly.The murdering Islamothugs have once again committed yet another, atrocity. Of course we've heard not a peep of this from the mainstream media - only that the U.S. abuses it's prisoners by making them uncomfortable or hurting the feelings. How does that compare to murdering prisoners?
Update: Here is the video, now on our server.
Update: BBC News is also reporting the execution.
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Agent Smith says to stop fighting the war with one hand tied to our balls. It is time to start the draft RIGHT NOW and flood Iraq with 500,000 red-blooded American Troops so we can hunt down those terrorist fuckers.
Agent Brown says for those who are too old to be drafted, join the reserves and volunteer to go over there ready to deliver some major whoop-ass.
Agent Jones says we can get the secular Baathists to join us and together we will find the terrorists and give them a taste of justice.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 19, 2005 06:00 AM (fyK10)
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I'd go. I'd turn terrorist on their asses. Videotape Islamothugs being burned alive and fed to pigs.
Posted by: MidnightSun at December 19, 2005 06:39 AM (Rs5sH)
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What can be said that hasn't been said so many times before? More evidence of the enemy's cowardice.
Posted by: Graeme at December 19, 2005 06:54 AM (Wtu+d)
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There is no doubt this is inflammatory and obscene.
It does raise a question for me though. I wonder why this group is willing to execute a man and claim credit for it, yet some here (e.g. Rusty) suggest the IAI, under an assumed name, holds the CPT 4?
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 07:15 AM (wsdWU)
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I would suggest that out of consideration for the family of Mr. Shulz, the video be taken down. It is obscene and does not really tell us anything we don't already know about the criminals who prey upon their victims. Imagine if he was your brother, or son. How would you like him to be remembered?
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 07:17 AM (wsdWU)
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I say leave it up. The people of the US should be reminded exactly what we are up against, and exactly what the stakes are in Iraq. It is riduculous to fight a war and not know the enemy. People here at home are kept by the MSM from knowing the kind of people we are fighting, and that is for a reason. If the average person knew the barbaric mentality of these people, there would be more support for defeating them.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 08:31 AM (rUyw4)
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And if I remember correctly, last week there was a group of traitors in here who celebrated the capture and presumed death of Mr. Shulz. Screm em was the term one of them used and posted under.
As for the CPT-4, many people here and at other sites said there was a difference in situations between them and Shulz. I also believe that to be the case, so perhaps that explains why the IAI chooses not to murder the CPT-4, if, in fact, they hold them. I do not profess to know, but this might explain the difference in treatment.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 08:42 AM (rUyw4)
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Bastards. I think we should leave the video up for those who wish to see the truth. It's ugly and I think a warning is good. But the MSM will talk about it all day and not show it. Same with the other snuff Video's. I hate em. The Mr. Johnson snuff was really bad I got through 2.2 seconds. So I hate to see em. I as a point don't watch em even though I can. It's sick who wants to see whit like that. The answer is the sick vermin animals that did this. I see blonde hair at the start so my tiny little bead of hope I had for Mr. Schultz had evaporated. No I expected this but I try to be optimistic.
RIP Mr. Shultz and may God comfort his family. Let's keep them in mind as we celebrate this week and think of what his family will miss.
Posted by: Howie at December 19, 2005 09:06 AM (D3+20)
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I say leave it up. To me it will help illusrtate the absurdity of the reporting by the MSM. The Crescent News Network will refer to these cold-blooded murderers as insurgents or militants.
I wonder if any Europeans will be outraged over the treatment of Shultz or his murder. I doubt it.
I wonder where Mike Ferrell and Sean Penn were yesterday.
Posted by: Brad at December 19, 2005 09:22 AM (6mUkl)
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Brad,
Cold-blooded murderer does not define these animals we are up against. The average American has no idea, and were one to watch the Crescent News(MSM) as you suggest, they would be under the impression that these people were none other than the Revolutionary War hero of the US. Just misunderstood.
I say all of murderers' films should be shown to the public and reported on the news. If we as a society are not ready to deal with these barbarians, then we shall surely fail as they are and will be here in larger numbers and with greater insolence. I suggest that the news and photographs of 9/11 be shown to the public, also. A little righteous anger would go a long way to solving the problem or Islamic extremism.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 09:38 AM (rUyw4)
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Leave it up!!!!
This is not a world rated G it is one of what is really happening and this is very much a part of being true and honest about the enemy. I am sick of the lefties trying to make them out as " that we picked on them so they are only fighting back" and the MSM attacking our troops for every breath they take and then NEVER showing the truth about the terrorists.
Yessss leave it up for all to see. This is the reality of what the enemy is about.
Posted by: Wild Thing at December 19, 2005 09:46 AM (qrCVJ)
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MSM reports stuff that will demoralize the American people, not stuff that will stiffen their spine. That's why it's 60 days straight of Abu Graib, and roadside bombs ad nauseum, but not a peep about stuff like this.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 09:53 AM (8e/V4)
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Leave it up. I want people to see what Michael Moore's minutemen have been up to. I want people to see what Michael Moore's "revolution" looks like.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 09:57 AM (8e/V4)
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I'd like to hear Mikey Moron's opinion on his brave "minutemen" now.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 10:08 AM (0yYS2)
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Here's why I think we should acknowledge, even discuss it. But that should be done without (re)distributing it.
1) Showing it celebrates degradation. If we are truly better than those who traffick in this sickness, we should turn our back to them. Do you need to see pictures of children being raped to know it is wicked?
2) It inflicts additional harm on the family. Christmas from here to eternity will be bad enough for them. We don't need to add to that.
3) It leads criminals to think this is a way to win fame. As a matter of practice, I refer to any killer.. especially of a famous person...as "the guy/chick who killed [so and so]" Ever since that guy killed Lennon, I figured that was the best way to deny them a foothold. The Romans called it "damnatio memoriae"....
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 10:34 AM (wsdWU)
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background,
so the Left showing pictures of American coffins was a "celebration"? I'm sure you would insist that it wasn't. Their intent was not to celebrate, but to demoralize. Similarly, here the intent is not to celebrate, but to remind people just who these "minutemen" really are. And if you think it is self-evident and needs no further explanation, then ask yourself why Michael Moore would call such scum "minutemen" and cheer on their "revolution". Ask yourself why so many on the Left want these guys to win.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 10:43 AM (8e/V4)
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"...why so many on the Left want these guys to win."
It's called Bush Derangement Syndrome. It makes people want really stupid stuff.
Posted by: dcb at December 19, 2005 10:48 AM (8e/V4)
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I don't speak for Michael Moore. He doesn't speak for me.
WRT the question of coffins returning.... I have ambivalent feelings. On the whole I think it is important to show that. Here's why: Most Americans don't feel the war's impact. Economists refer to the situation as "moral hazard"...basically it is the idea that your behavior will change depending on whether or not there is a cost to you. For example, if you don't own the car or the property you are more likely to abuse it if you can walk away without any penalty. Showing concrete consequences of mistaken foreign policy is important.
Here's where I would draw the line. Consider the protests at "Camp Casey" by Sheehan and her supporters. When they came to Washington some parents of soldiers protested the appropriation of their child's name in this way. Sheehan et al should have done the honorable thing... removed the marker with the name on it, wrapped it in cloth and returned it to the family with a letter of condolence and apology.
There is another display travelling the country called "Eyes Wide Shut" which a religious coalition is curating. It consists of boots with one pair for each soldier killed in Iraq. I am not aware of anyone who has protested against that display. In fact, it was at the National Cathedral last year.
Hiding the consequences is equivalent to lying. But parading them in a way that degrades the victims dishonors their memory and poisons the people who participate.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 11:08 AM (wsdWU)
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Let me see if I can remember, and someone correct me if I am wrong. Background noise is the guy or gal who claims to know people who were killed at the WTC and at the Pentagon. He or she also claimed to know people who were killed by suicide bombers in Israel, and to know people who were killed by the IDF in the Gaza Strip.
Now that I have established his expert status, I suggest he or she is too close to all the people involved to make an objective decision in this matter.
I disagree with him or her on all three points:
1.We need to see exactly the type of people we are up against. Most people in the US are mature enough to be able to deal with whatever impact a murder might have on their psyche.
2.There should be a warning before any news item is shown so that the family will be warned if they would be traumitized by a showing of the film. In my case, I would want to know how my family member was murdered, and exactly who did it.
3.I doubt whether any fame would accompany the showing of any such film in the context of a news program. And they are already receiving the fame they want by sending it around the world to whatever jihadi group wants to show it.
No, I think disgust and righteous anger would be the reaction of most Americans to seeing these films in the context of news. And that is the reason they will never be shown of the news. Wouldn't want to make the average American mad, now would we, Background Noise?
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 11:10 AM (rUyw4)
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Joe I agree,
A Priest I admire very much once said something during his Homily that I think is true of these murders on film. He said if all America were forced to sit for 5 minutes and actually watch a partial birth abortion, (a live 7-8 month old baby pulled out of a womb and her skull cracked open an the brain sucked out) on TV, the decent people of this country would be so outraged, they would demand it be stopped immediately. We tend to cover up horrors like this with nice words like choice.
The murders in these films are not entertainment for normal people. But they do show who and what we are up against. Not even the most brainwashed lib could watch this and want these killers to win and force their vision of Iraq on that society. The MSM has given a name to killers of innocent men, women and children. They are called insurgents. This is not any more true to me than calling the murder of a child choice.
Anyway on a lighter note:
If any REGULARS would like a Christmas flyer with photos of the family, IÂ’ll get one out. Just sent a note to the email on this post.
Merry Christmas, Happy and Happy Hanukkah to most,
All you atheists enjoy your Festivas.
Posted by: Brad at December 19, 2005 11:13 AM (6mUkl)
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background,
he may not speak for you, but he speaks for a sizable minority of people out there, and these people are very vocal, and they pull a lot of weight in the Democrat party, which means they have a real potential to affect our government's policies. I would say making this kind of info more accessible to the public is the least we should do to minimize their impact.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 11:24 AM (8e/V4)
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yeahhh see but its okay right? Cuz michael moore calls these Minute Men...
punks...
Posted by: Billy Faeth at December 19, 2005 11:25 AM (T1JIe)
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Maybe I am too close.
Or maybe it's a warning to those who think this is all a sick video game. I am saying that if you watch the video it will poison you. You can turn it off and walk away but you kid yourself if you think you have not damaged a piece of yourself by participating in that. Do you have to smoke crack to know it is poison?
It is pornographic and addictive. At first it will shock you. Then you will become numb to it. Then you will need more outrageous stuff to be shocked. I am sure those who watched the Nick Berg beheading or any of the others will see this execution and say "that wasn't so bad." That is exactly what the perpetrators of this crime want. They want to draw you in to their sickness.
This is an opportunity for you to make a choice.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 11:42 AM (wsdWU)
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schulz should not have gone to Iraq, I bet he regrets it now.
it must have been a tough decision, but the right one.
r.i.p- tookie and alpizar (both martyred by amerikka)
Posted by: Jawa Sucks at December 19, 2005 11:48 AM (ejzmW)
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Tookie got his. What better message could he send to the kiddies than that? May God have mercy on his soul. And may his death be a lesson to all thugs.
Posted by: dcb at December 19, 2005 11:51 AM (8e/V4)
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Background Noise,
I do not WANT to watch such things. But it is my duty as a citizen to know my enemy, to know exactly what he is capable of, to see with my own eyes what a barbaric animal that we are up against.
No, no, you are the one who has missed the point in all this. To depict these scum as insurgents, militants, revolutionaries, etc. is the danger, as most people will suppose them to be nothing more than your average run-of-the-mill freedom fighter.
If we are to survive, and I believe this to be a fight for survival, then we must educate our citizens. We have not fought such an enemy before, but a large part of Europe did in the Middle Ages, but the knowledge of these jihadists has passed from the collective memory of the West. We must find a way to reanimate that memory, or we will be doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, mistakes that cost the lives of untold millions and misery for millions more.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 12:59 PM (rUyw4)
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Background has a good point. I think we need to have it available for the sake of truth. But for sure these do affect you and you need to think carefully about how. I've seen comments on theads just like what he says. "Beheading is awesome" kind of stuff. A sick perversion. I think the vast majority would say how horrid and not view it too much. The link is there so you can should you so choose see the truth. But once you view it you cannot go back. This one is tame compared to the others that's true but I'm repulsed and if I weren't that might indicate a problem brewing.
Posted by: Howie at December 19, 2005 01:03 PM (D3+20)
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jesusland joe says:
it is my duty as a citizen to know my enemy
Do you see your enemy in this picture
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 01:16 PM (wsdWU)
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What is your point with respect to the photo you linked? Are they violent jihadists? Are they beheading someone? Did I paint with such a broad brush that you are insinuating something from what I wrote? Please explain your meaning.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 01:23 PM (rUyw4)
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>>>"Do you see your enemy in this picture"
Yes. I have no reason to believe he isn't behind razorwire for a good reason.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 01:27 PM (8e/V4)
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If you think, Background Noise, that I implied that jihadists don't have any feelings for their own children, I certainly never said nor insinuated that, nor was it the point. You can certainly have feelings for your own children, but be the worst of barbarians. I think the Nazis proved that in and before WWII. Perhaps even Sadam Hussein loved the two animals who were his children. The fact that the two in the photo were not separated says much more about the humanity of the US forces than anything about the humanity of the jihadists.
I am now suspicious of you, Background Noise, and believe you to be a jihadi sympathizer, likely an Islamist who is here to do as much damage as possible, using the freedom of the West in an attempt to destroy it. Perhaps you can convince me that you are not, perhaps you are not, but we cannot afford to take any chances. I will listen to no more of your "background noise".
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 01:40 PM (rUyw4)
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Guys, don't even bother replying to this idiot punk whom I need not name. He is just another idiot liberal troll who is sick in the head and cannot believe but evil of America, and good of our enemies. He needs nothing more than a bullet to the back of the head, and you should not dignify his idiotic propaganda with responses.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 01:51 PM (0yYS2)
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First of all IM -
"He needs nothing more than a bullet to the back of the head"
You are SICK - and you need HELP. Period. Find it before you take out a postal office or a McDonalds, please.
"People here at home are kept by the MSM from knowing the kind of people we are fighting"
YOU aren't fighting ANYONE, you are sitting behind your keyboard and contributing to a racist hatesite. Fucking coward!
".. they pull a lot of weight in the Democrat party, which means they have a real potential to affect our government's policies."
LMFAO. Democrats have zero potential to affect government policies. You guys love to say how Dems lost, get over it.
Besides, they're all getting a bullet in the head right?
Yay freedom.
"If we are to survive, and I believe this to be a fight for survival"
If you do believe that, please describe the extent of your fighting for survival besides blog entries.
I am LIBERAL, I want to see MANY DEAD TERRORISTS, you guys would do well to understand that we aren't all Berkely communist pagan freaks and there might be some common ground there, that as the opposition it is our job to question the policies of the government, but OH NO that would be BAD, we have to have the bloody rhetorical equivalant of a football game with no real postive outcome. Just call everyone traitors. We want to lose, and the terrorists to win, like WTF seriously? Anyone who says that doesn't get irony considering the wiretap lies this week. They ARE winning thanks to your FEAR.
For shame.
Posted by: angryflower at December 19, 2005 03:03 PM (Bss6w)
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Actually, they are not winning - but if they were it would be thanks to your fear(s).
True - some here occassionally spew emotionally - but then again - you should understand that 'cause you just did the same.
Maxie's a fun guy who tends to be "colorful" - and successfully provocative! He did after all provoke an angryflower - and next I suppose it will be a ragingtulip.
Actually, I've seen very little actual racism vocalized on this board. I don't believe hostility towards Islam as an ideology qualifies as racism.
But the charge of racism (and hate) is often a blanket accusation utilized by lib/left against any who disagree with it. OK! Screaming "Wolf" often enough loses its effectiveness.
Posted by: hondo at December 19, 2005 03:57 PM (3aakz)
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>>>it is our job to question the policies of the government,
angry,
less anger, more sense please. So far the Democrats have offered nothing but criticism, with no suggestions on how to do it better (no, surrender doesn't qualify as doing it better). They don't even have an official party position on the war.
"House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi says it's time for U.S. troops to start coming home from Iraq. Her top lieutenant, Rep. Steny Hoyer, says a precipitous pullout could be disastrous."
www.cbsnews dot com/stories/2005/12/03/ap/politics/mainD8E8S3BG7.shtml
That should tell you something. If you really want to see more dead terrorists, as you claim, then how would you propose going about killing more terrorists? Here's your big chance.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 04:22 PM (8e/V4)
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Well said Hondo. The term "racism" is used too freely and seems to be the worst accusation in the world when used by liberals.
The truth is these people tolerate a hateful religion at their own and everyone elses expense. The authorities that allow Islam to flourish are wreckless, it is a threat to the west, people need to get real.
I hate islam but getted tagged a racist. I don't care about people's skin colour nor cultural backgrounds, it is the religion of islam I hate. To me this makes sense because islam hates me, the west, animals (dogs and pigs), gays and alcohol and also treats women like shit. Why must I accept or tolerate a hateful religion such as this?
Posted by: Jester at December 19, 2005 04:32 PM (wBDaS)
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I mean "get" not "getted"...been a bit under the influence lately...hey it's Christmas.
Posted by: Jester at December 19, 2005 04:33 PM (wBDaS)
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Mr. or Ms. Flower,
There is nothing wrong with criticizing the government or any other entity you don't agree with. No one here has ever said that was wrong, or if they did, I didn't see it. What I have seen objected to was moral and material support given to our enemies, and that I consider to be traitorous.
You don't know me or what I do, why would you describe me as a coward? That is well, cowardous!
I hate radical Islam, of that I freely admit, but that in itself is not racist in any way because Islamists are not a race, but an ideology. Much the same way I'm sure you hate Nazism, as I do also. As a matter of fact, I consider the two to be related in a rather obscure way, but no matter.
So there, call me a racist hater if it makes you feel less angry, but look deeper and perhaps you will see something else. Not hate, but fear for my children, not myself, I have no fear of these people. These people wish to take us back to the Dark Ages, and I wish my children to live in a modern world.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 04:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Man.... I go away for a few hours and everyone melts down....
jj....no I am not a jihadist... gimme a break. I call them criminals not freedom fighters... that's for starters. I have already said that. In my world, if I'm talking about "their sickness" that is not meant as a compliment.
to answer your originally rational question: I gave you the image (complete with caption) to see how broadly you paint... your friend jC doesn't use a brush...but appears to just splatter paint everywhere. He assumes the guy in the picture is a jihadist. After some time, you default to that assumption as well. Considering some of the comments in this thread prior you two are not alone.
The point of the question with that image is that even though there is a caption it is hard to contextualize the image. It is clearly provocative, but what exactly is provoked is more a function of what you bring to the image than what is there.
I asked Bouju (the photographer) about it ... he didn't know what happened to the guy and the kid. He did not believe the guy was an active combatant. Certainly not captured in the midst of active hostilities. What he was trying to do with the caption was stress the compassionate response of the American soldier who decided not to separate father and child.
IM ... who apparently thinks Circus Maximus means "Greatest Show on Earth".... with his answers demonstrates exactly the sort of stereotypical thinking that ails us. Here is a guy who is allegedly all about protecting our values, but me... I deserve to be shot in the head like some poor bastard in Iraq. So ...how does he differ from the criminals who killed Shulz? They actually live out their sordid fantasies.
The point I made earlier... the point I used this image to demonstrate ... is that inciteful imagery out of context allows people to project whatever they want on to it. So if you are a paranoid control freak and you see criminals doing something evil... it is not hard to imagine anyone who looks, speaks, acts, dresses, eats, or smells like them is going to be treated like them. Which brings me back to the picture I asked you about.
My answer: I fear the kid is going to become my kid's enemy.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at December 19, 2005 05:20 PM (wsdWU)
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petals,
we're waiting on your big plan on how to kill more terrorists.
yoohoo!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 05:25 PM (8e/V4)
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background,
You think that a child in the jihadist's lap is going to pull at my heartstrings? Well obviously it didn't have the effect you had hoped for. You see, I'm not a Leftard.
I assume the fellow in the pic is a jihadist because the U.S. army assumed he was a jihadist, and you gave me no reason to assume otherwise. I guess that's what you call "splattering paint everywhere", because you wouldn't recognize logic and good sense if someone rammed it up your ass.
So why did you assume he wasn't a jihadi? Because of the child? Is that an example of the vaunted Liberal intellect? And if you didn't assume that (which I know is your predictable come back), then posting the picture was quite pointless, wasn't it.
I don't second-guess our troops on the ground, unless given a reason to do so. You gave me none. While you on the Left are hell bent on second-guessing our troops and apologizing for our enemies. That's the diff between your side and mine. Why would anybody in their sane minds want anything to do with you people unless they were complete traitors.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 05:44 PM (8e/V4)
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JC... if you were serious about discussing how to deal with terrorists, you would have looked at the original reference I offered at the top of the last thread you disgraced yourself in.
The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us?
by Fareed Zakaria
I don't know what his political party is, but as far as "democrats offering no alternatives"... that is simply not true. Unfortunately, you have to actually read what is written if you are going to comment on it. Simply listening to warmed over nonsense from talk radio "infotainers" is not enough. I stopped referencing my stuff here because it is obvious folks aren't interested in anything that doesn't support their preconceived notions.
A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
-- Mark Twain
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background,
I'm not interesting in how to "deal" with terrorist (translated from the Libspeak: how to make terrorists like us).
I'm interested in how you propose to kill more terrorists than we are currently killing.
Can to answer? Still waiting.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 05:51 PM (8e/V4)
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and ps., if by "disgraced" you mean how I continue to run logic circles around your brain, then yes, I'm "disgraced".
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 05:56 PM (8e/V4)
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Hey B4ckd00r B0y, if this place is so ignorant, why do you continue to post here?
Posted by: dave at December 19, 2005 07:00 PM (CcXvt)
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JC....
"Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet."
Didn't work for Arnaud-Amaury, why would it work for you?
Dave... you're right. I figured this was more than a little playground. Y'all have fun.
===
Nullus curo pro stulti.
John Smith/Sanjuro Kuwatanabe
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background,
The ones killing innocent people in Iraq are the jihadis-- the one's you're defending.
And unless you have any evidence the man in that pic wasn't a jihadi, you can spare me your phony Liberal compassion. It's fake.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 09:32 PM (8e/V4)
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Leave The video up
people need to see what kind of ANIMALS we are dealing with over there these islamic scumbags all need to be removed from the earth , now i see that saddam was good for iraq , and to all the bleeding hearts that say killing these animals should watch this video i was all for taking saddam out but now i see that these animals over there needed sombody like saddam to keep them in line at all costs if that means taking these fuckers out in the desert by the thousands and burring them alive in mass graves so be it i say fuck it puull our troops out nuke that shithole and let nature take its course if they repopulate so be it if not fuck em
Posted by: Julio at December 20, 2005 12:01 AM (mabbd)
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Leave it up. Our innocence must end. If you are a sick puppy to begin with, the beheading videos will push you over the edge. If you a normal person, watching even one will kill a part of you. That is your innocence dying. You will never get it back. But you will develop eyes and ears discerning of the truth. One truth is that these terrorists are following the dictates of their "religion". And they are doing to their victim what they want to do to everyone who is not a part of their death cult.
Posted by: tm'ss at December 20, 2005 01:12 AM (ZJ0PB)
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where can i find more video footage
Posted by: habib at December 20, 2005 11:04 AM (lMZgF)
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Yup, ROP at it again.
Background No15e, flower...
FOAD.
Did you notice the "loving" man behind the razor wire with the bag on his head wasn't being beheaded or shot by a firing squad full of Islamo Psychos? He'll probably be fed 3 times a day allowed to pray and released only to use his son as a cradle for a c4 pack. Keep thinking that way, you're bound to end up in Amnesty or MOVEON. They'll all love you.
Keep dreaming.
Posted by: Alex at December 20, 2005 12:44 PM (JnnHL)
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First, to the noisy retard: The kid is sitting in his dad's lap because the soldiers didn't want to traumatize him further than he already was. Which is far more regard than Komrade Klinton's Gestappo gave Elian Gonzalez. So fuck you, all liberals should be killed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 20, 2005 03:51 PM (0yYS2)
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First, to the noisy retard: The kid is sitting in his dad's lap because the soldiers didn't want to traumatize him further than he already was. Which is far more regard than Komrade Klinton's Gestappo gave Elian Gonzalez. So fuck you, all liberals should be killed.
Second, to the weed with the hissy fit: "You are SICK - and you need HELP."
You're damn right I'm sick. Sick of idiot liberals like you, and the only help I need is for a few people to join me when the time comes, because I'm not burying all of your stinking corpses by myself.
"Period."
Exclamation point.
"Find it before you take out a postal office or a McDonalds, please."
Only if liberals work there.
"People here at home are kept by the MSM from knowing the kind of people we are fighting"
"YOU aren't fighting ANYONE, you are sitting behind your keyboard and contributing to a racist hatesite. Fucking coward!"
I didn't say that ya moron, JJ did. And he was right. I'm a decorated vet by the way, and when TSHTF, one hundred liberals will get special attention for your comments. Mercy to enemies is a sign of weakness, and liberals are subhuman scum.
".. they pull a lot of weight in the Democrat party, which means they have a real potential to affect our government's policies."
Again, didn't write it, but...
"LMFAO. Democrats have zero potential to affect government policies."
At least you got that right. Your asses are the biggest losers since the investors in the Titanic.
"You guys love to say how Dems lost, get over it."
Nah, too much fun to watch you losers squirm. I hope it hurts.
"Besides, they're all getting a bullet in the head right?"
Not soon enough.
"Yay freedom."
Once the libtards and traitorcrats have all been buried in unmarked mass graves.
"If we are to survive, and I believe this to be a fight for survival"
Once again, didn't write it, but still it is good.
"If you do believe that, please describe the extent of your fighting for survival besides blog entries."
Well pissing off liberals to the point of hysteria does seem to be more effective than I would have thought, but I prefer my way. Good thing for you that most of the evil neocons who inhabit this site are not like me. They're nice people.
"I am LIBERAL, I want to see MANY DEAD TERRORISTS..."
coughBullshit!cough
Look, don't try that shit now. We know who you are and how much you hate our country, its military, and its lawfully elected President just because you have some idiotic socialist multiculti free-healthcare utopian vision. You, who as a group, have accomplished nothing positive, and make no lasting contributions to society. You are parasites.
"...you guys would do well to understand that we aren't all Berkely communist pagan freaks and there might be some common ground there, that as the opposition it is our job to question the policies of the government, but OH NO that would be BAD, we have to have the bloody rhetorical equivalant of a football game with no real postive outcome."
You would do well to understand that you either stand with your country or against it. You have chosen to stand against it, and are thus its enemy and my enemy. It is now personal; I hate your guts because you would sell us out to the terrorists just to bring down Bush, and if putting a bullet in the head of every liberal is what needs to be done, I would gladly do it.
"Just call everyone traitors."
If the shoe fits...
"We want to lose, and the terrorists to win, like WTF seriously?"
Yeah that's about right. Just read the signs and banners at any protest ya moron. Your people hate our country and want it to fail, so you should all be killed. Understand yet?
"Anyone who says that doesn't get irony considering the wiretap lies this week."
A swing and a miss! Sorry, that pathetic attempt at redirection completely choked, and barely deserves a response, but what the hell, since facts are like poison to you: The wiretaps were legal, and there are no lies, but we know how you idiots have no real argument, so you occasionally scream "LIES!" just to distract people. Sorry, won't work here. Moron.
"They ARE winning thanks to your FEAR."
Sorry again sweetie, but we're winning, thanks to our SOLDIERS, AIRMEN, and last but not least, the totally kickass US MARINES.
"For shame."
Stand in the mirron and say that one time for every victim of islamic terrorists over the past, oh... say forty years, then you may be forgiven, just a little bit. I swear, the schools are producing some weapons-grade idiots these day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 20, 2005 04:11 PM (0yYS2)
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GOD will forgive......Pull all the Americans and Allies out of IRAQ and drop the fucken bomb. Then let's see who will be laughing then.
Posted by: GOD at December 20, 2005 05:16 PM (62bOH)
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Drop that mother fucker turn those 4th century arab shitholes into parking lots for football stadiums,Gun ranges,Race tracks, and pig farms! Hit europe too, 100's of Trident missiles to fix the world. FUCK ISLAM FUCK IT.
And liberalism, they should be taken captive. Held for 3 days and shot in the FUCKING HEAD. 1 bullet to waste one piece of human shit.(Waste of innocent lead) but im willing to take that loss.
BOMBS MISSILES OIL! FUCK YEAH...
Im serious too.
Posted by: Alexander at December 20, 2005 05:27 PM (2Foff)
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You sure did stir up the moonbats, Maxie. I hate it when you do that. It seems to get easier all the time, though. Damn.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 20, 2005 08:26 PM (rUyw4)
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The video should be left up and played on msn every hour on the hour for 30 days. American liberals and others need to be reminded of the cruelty of the enemy. They are dogs and those that support them are bitches. His death was caused by the fact that democrats, liberals, sissys and such will call for us to pull out and the terrorists know it.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 21, 2005 04:48 AM (pSK/I)
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Im no moonbat jesusland joe. im serious. i hate islam and liberalism is synonymous with Naivete'
Posted by: Alexander at December 21, 2005 07:13 AM (JnnHL)
December 18, 2005
U.S. Marines Going More Extreme - In Hand To Hand Combat
If Col. Shusko has his way, every Marine -- and everyone near them -- will benefit from the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP). Unlike men and women in the other branches of the armed forces, every Marine is taught how to fight hand-to-hand, up close and personal.
For the first time in the U.S. military, an effort has been made to combine the most effective techniques of martial-arts disciplines from around the world into a single course of study -- MCMAP.Semper Fi - my Marine Corp is becoming just a bit more extreme ...At the Marine Corps Martial Arts Center of Excellence, fighting instruction is merged with character-building lessons as a new breed of warrior is forged.
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Agent Smith is chasing a guy who claims he knows kung fu.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 18, 2005 06:54 AM (+5j5X)
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My first choice was and is the bayonet. My second choice is the Kbar. Hand to hand to me indicates desperation. Not that I did not get desperate at times. It is good in a bar but in a real war it sucks.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 06:58 AM (yONeR)
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Check out a funny site dedicated to the absurdity and satire nature of saying "It's All George Bush's Fault!"
http://www.itsallgeorgebushsfault.com
Regards,
Notta Libb
Posted by: Notta Libb at December 18, 2005 07:06 AM (IRfdO)
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PS - While a boot I thought all the DI’s were sadistic S’soB’s. I thought that a lot of what they made us do was sheer bullying. After 8 JFK tours in Nam (actually only one Naval tour, but 4 times as much time “in country” as JFK’s “two” tours) I had a very different opinion. I wish they had been a little (not a lot) tougher. I completely agree with the Lt.Col that “the more you sweat in training the less you bleed in combat.”
Most of us were well prepared for war thanks to Boot Camp and ITR. I think maybe the draftees in the Army were not. What do you former “Doggies” say?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 07:29 AM (yONeR)
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absolute badasses.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 08:34 AM (8e/V4)
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Its true! You can break a wood board with a jarhead's head! I know - I've done it!
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 11:27 AM (3aakz)
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I have just finished reading a book that is about martial arts training for the U.S Special Forces, amazingly they do not teach "roundhouse" kicks, "footsweeps" or even Mr. Miyagi's devastating "Crane kick" wtf?!
Seriously, however, the criteria for the selection of certain Martial arts techniques for Special Forces is based on:
Physical condition: If a soldier is using martial arts to escape and evade the techniques must take into account his probable physical condition: tired and nearing exhaustion.
Means: Martial arts for elite soldiers must be mission specific, which specifically means causing debilitating injury or death.
Time: Limited and flexible training that can be tailored for maximum adaptability.
Body: Techniques should not require any special changes in the body, for this reason high taekwon do kicks would be avoided.
Memorable: maintained with minimum time, and effort.
I should imagine the Marines adopt such a program.
Posted by: dave at December 18, 2005 11:34 AM (CcXvt)
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There's an excellent show on the History Channel called "Shootouts", and many accounts are based on Marine small engagements in Iraq. I'm telling you, those boys are absolute badasses. Combat marines aren't like you and me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 18, 2005 11:43 AM (8e/V4)
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Its called Combatives - nothing fancy - 3 levels - its incorportated into training on MOS need only - not general service. You can however pursue it on your own reguardless of field.
It ain't pretty or stylish - just down & dirty and very very crippling and lethal.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 11:50 AM (3aakz)
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Hopefully sailors (like me) can opt-in, but I doubt it. It sucks the other branches can't go through hardcore training (except for Seals, but I hate cold water). At my last command I sought to do martial arts with the Marines, but I was shot down.
Posted by: Tom at December 18, 2005 12:41 PM (cUb/i)
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Hondo - you lie! No one who did that has ever lived to tell the story!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 03:41 PM (yONeR)
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Inter-service rivalies ... I've got lots of stories ... and we always save the best for the Marines!
An Army PFC and a Marine Gunnery Sgt are in an airport in transit - both go to the bathroom to take a pee ...
Gunny ignores the Army PFC ...
After they pee, Gunny washes his hands while the Army PFC heads for the door ...
Gunny sarcastically remarks "Ya know boy - in the Marines they teach us to wash our hands after peeing!"
The Army PFC responds ...
"Well Gunny, in Army Basic they told us not to piss on our hands or they'd transfer ya to the Marines."
There are multiple variations - all with Gunny.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 04:05 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo - ROTFLOL
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 18, 2005 08:29 PM (yONeR)
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A prominent ex-SEAL's opinion:
A point should be made here about the way Americans tend to regard the act of killing. Like most of my generation, I grew up on Western movies where the hero--Hopalong or Roy or Gene--chivalrously tosses his gun aside after the black-hatted villain runs out of bullets and subdues the bad guy with his bare fists. This may work on celluloid, but not in real life. In real life you shoot the m[]f[]er and you kill him dead--whether or not he is armed; whether or not he is going for his gun; whether he looks dangerous or appears benign. That way, you stay alive and your men
stay alive. Many of our senior officers do not believe this. They would rather that *we* got killed than our enemies did. That attitude is stupid and it is wrong.
-- Richard Marcinko, _Rogue Warrior_, 1992
Elsewhere in the same book he scorns martial arts, saying that if you were having to duke it out with an enemy you must have f'd up your mission big time.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at December 18, 2005 10:29 PM (ZpL55)
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Don't confuse Martial Arts which are a sport and art form judged by style with Combatives. In all my years I have never seen the Martial Arts viewed as anything more than a physical training and fitness tool.
Posted by: hondo at December 18, 2005 10:51 PM (3aakz)
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The Army also teaches combatives. Have been since [at least] Viet nam. They also teach that 'hand-to-hand' is a last resort technique. Forget the macho bs, real soldiers kill with the best available weapon and have no compuction about it.
To paraphrase my Army SSgt [and combat veteran] son; "In the Marines they teach jarheads how to die; in the Army they teach us how to fight to win and then fight another day."
Posted by: Charlie at December 19, 2005 08:36 AM (2ZhL/)
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As an Army veteran( Viet Nam era) What do you guys think of this Krav Maga? The Israelies teach it to the civilians since they are always under attack. I think some of our troops are taught it today. I just don't know much about it. Hey in combat you do what is necessary to survive. I have the deepest respect for every branch I ever met.Each one has good guys and ass holes alike.
Posted by: Jim B. at December 19, 2005 06:26 PM (etD1T)
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Yes Hondo, multiple variations dating back to George Washington.
God bless the Marine Corps. First in every thing.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 21, 2005 04:40 AM (pSK/I)
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Unlike men and women in the other branches of the armed forces, every Marine is taught how to fight hand-to-hand, up close and personal.
I have to respectfully disagree. The new Army Combatives Training plan was pieced together by the 4th Ranger Training Brigade, with the consult of Royce Gracie. This new Army Combative Plan is heavily steeped in Brazilian Jujitsu. Much better than the 1930's era fisticuffs that I was taught when I first joined the service.
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December 07, 2005
AP/Ipsos Red Hot Poker Up the Ass Poll
The results are perhaps not what mainstream media expected in a new AP/Ipsos poll about the use of torture to interrogate terrorists. With all the recent stories about alleged torture and abuse of al Qaeda prisoners, and the CIA "renditions" of terrorist suspects, it seemed that the MSM had succeeded in creating a hostile environment for any sort of aggressive interrogation. Not so, according to the poll, though some major outlets are shading what they report to put the best face on the results. MSNBC and ABC run with the AP feed:
WASHINGTON - Most Americans and a majority of people in Britain, France and South Korea say torturing terrorism suspects is justified at least in rare instances, according to AP-Ipsos polling.This is surprising. AP comes right out in their lead with the real point of the poll, fudging only a little bit, implying that "rarely" is the most popular answer. Actually, the poll shows that 38% of Americans would allow torture "often" or "sometimes", with 23% saying "rarely".
CBS and Fox have not reported on the poll. more...
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What's even more surprising are the results given that the French company Ipsos probably worded the questionnare in such a way as to lead the results in the other direction.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at December 07, 2005 08:10 AM (JQjhA)
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Times, they are a-changing!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 07, 2005 09:43 AM (0yYS2)
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Screw it. Since Trackback seems to have disowned your own blogson....
Posted by: Brian B at December 07, 2005 02:16 PM (rGfpg)
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Here are the actual numbers as reported by Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1207/p01s02-woiq.html The largest block of Americans still favor "never"
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The largest block of Americans still favor "never"
Lies, damn lies, and statistics -- in other words, nice spin, John. Those who say never are clearly outnumbered by those who acknowledge that it's at least occasionally warranted. The fact that they outnumber those who can agree on any one standard for how often doesn't put them in the majority.
Posted by: Brian B at December 07, 2005 03:03 PM (rGfpg)
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John Ryan, I provided a link TO THE POLL ITSELF. Why would you need to go through the CSM?
As Brian B pointed out, your logic is...nonexistent.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 07, 2005 03:11 PM (RHG+K)
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Even little old ladies and college girls I talk to say to do whatever is necessary. Polls have no credibility whatsoever, because I can take a poll that shows that most people believe pretty much anything I want.
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December 01, 2005
On Murtha's Mangled Message
So, the U.S. armed forces are broken, worn out, and "living hand to mouth." A Vietnam vet said it, so it has to be true! Nothing like a tautology to seal the deal (by saying "I predict he'll make it look like we're staying the course," Rep. Murtha gives himself the chance to be proven right regardless of facts or what the administration does -- a pullout of any degree is proof the military is stretched too thin, and maintaining the current force level is only a saving face operation needed because the troops are stretched too thin). Besides the fact that his lame political pandering sounds more like a terrorist communique than anything else, I cannot help to think he is slightly mistaken based on what, you know, actual soldiers on the groud say. But since such logic has escaped the Honorable Representative, let me do a quick graphic display.
Rep. Murtha's view of the U.S. military: more...
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Murtha is a piece of shit traitor and should be charged, tried, and executed according to the ancient laws of treason. I would volunteer to be on his firing squad too.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 01, 2005 10:59 PM (0yYS2)
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Here we go again with Murtha - what to expect?
1) He's a vet so you can critize him
2) He's a right-wing pro mil Dem who suported the war
(THEY ALL SUPPORTED IT! REAL GUTSY BACK THEN!)
(New aproach from media - the "he's one of them who changed his mind, he's closer to their (conservative)side,
etc. - I see this new twist developing - anyone remember the Kurt Vonnoucut story a week or so ago - "he
orignally supported but ... I've been seeing that a lot - media attempts to enhance opponents credibility implying changing opinions - do some background fact checking first - some of this is pure bogus)
OK! I'll go first ... Murtha is wrong and a fool whose advocating defeat & flight without regard for consequences (or worse - with no concept of same (he is an old fool)).
Murtha is a vet - I am a vet - so screw him! and if you limp- wristed pasty-faced latte mineral water sippin' (never served or even thought a second about it) libs wanna whine "HE's A VET! YOOOOUUUU CAN'T ATTACK HIM!"
then you can kiss my tired ol' recon butt!
Posted by: hondo at December 01, 2005 11:14 PM (Jvmry)
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Damn it maxie!
I wanted first shot at this!
Oh by the way, "MERRY CHRISTMAS"
Posted by: hondo at December 01, 2005 11:15 PM (Jvmry)
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limp- wristed pasty-faced latte mineral water sippin' libs
Wow, I really have to find a way to work that phrase into conversation more often. It's too good to let sit on the shelf.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 01, 2005 11:27 PM (sH4J5)
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That's a fine vintage, but have you tried bleating fuckwit leftard assmonkeys?
Posted by: Vinnie at December 01, 2005 11:52 PM (Kr6/f)
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Wine-aholic,
If you think that's a rant try this;
http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2005/11/redesigned-flight-93-memorial-still_30.html
Posted by: Michael Gill at December 02, 2005 12:53 AM (cV+Hk)
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Agent Brown says that Murtha is conveying the thoughts and concerns of the generals who can't get through to the President.
Agent Jones says that the Architect is monitoring Improbulus.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 05:33 AM (fLJDr)
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Agent Smith in a "Frenchman Moment" declares that Jester, Greyrooster and Improbulus wear the same pair of purple panties and fight viciously over the privelege.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 06:04 AM (fLJDr)
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Murtha is a congressman, right? And the Constitution requires that spending bills originate in the House of Representatives, right? So, if Murtha is concerned that the Army's equipment is being worn out and "will cost $50 billion to upgrade military equipment nationwide, but the federal government is already reducing future purchases to save money." Isn't it Congressman Murtha's responsibility to appropriate the necessary money? After all, he didn't have trouble coming up with several million in contracts for companies representative by his brother's consulting firm.
Posted by: V the K at December 02, 2005 06:22 AM (V40IZ)
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Is it just possible that Murtha is becoming senile? He is completely out of touch with reality (in denial), the cause of which could be either senility or political ambition. It appears the MSM has picked him to replace Cindy Sheehan as the latest spokesman for the moonbats.
Posted by: Ray Cochard at December 02, 2005 06:33 AM (xWjGX)
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This guy has been a pacifist for years; despite what the MSM/DNC says. Ask him why the Corps asked him to resign!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at December 02, 2005 06:59 AM (282Mr)
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...Murtha is also a veteran of a war that was lost in the media, hearts and minds of the American people. So the man doesn't understand what victory really means anyway...
Posted by: Jeff at December 02, 2005 08:03 AM (/P1rH)
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Hondo: Sorry.
Vinnie: Beautiful.
Michael: Good link.
V: Irrefutable logic.
Ray: Yes, he's senile, but he's also a liberal, which means senility is actually an improvement.
Rod: Tell us more.
Jeff: Right on the money.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 10:48 AM (0yYS2)
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Not that I'm a link whore or anything ;-) but I have an opinion too long to put here. Can't physically link it (munu says I have questionable content) but if you replace the [dot] with a real dot, the link in my name will take you there.
Murtha's words are highly injurious and if ever there were cause to censure anyone, this is it.
Posted by: Oyster at December 02, 2005 11:13 AM (YudAC)
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 11:27 AM (D3+20)
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Murtha sure is finally getting his "15 minutes of fame" after a long career of obscurity.
Oh, he's a congressman - right? He can write and submit a bill on anything - right?
And congress can debate and vote on it - right?
(someone stop me when I'm wrong)
Soooooooo - what's the problem?
How do all you libs/left feel that your "issues" are playing out at "press confrences and briefings - nice photo ops, eh" and not on the floor of Congress?
Some lib will comeback over that last comment and mention Bush - photo ops etc too.
But what would be your point? He is afterall in "the driver's seat!" and the others are clearly afraid too "get behind the wheel".
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 11:37 AM (Jvmry)
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Thanks, Howie.
Posted by: Oyster at December 02, 2005 12:41 PM (YudAC)
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As I've said before, and as this senile idiot Murtha is aptly demonstrating, the best thing about free speech is that is can be fashioned into a rope with which traitors may hang themselves. I say give him all the air time and press coverage he wants, so that he may more quickly expose himself for the piece of shit he really is.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 01:13 PM (0yYS2)
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Oyster:
You are welcome now direct me to some questionable content. I require questionable content and I just can't seem to find any over there.
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 01:26 PM (D3+20)
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Okay here ( . ) ( . )
Happy now?
Posted by: Oyster at December 02, 2005 01:34 PM (YudAC)
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I go away for half a day and suddenly these comments are a den of pseudo-pornography.
Huzzah!
Oh yeah, Michael... thanks for the link. There was more thought in that analysis than there was in my dissertation (and it shows).
Posted by: Wine-aholic at December 02, 2005 02:55 PM (Wsn+K)
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Pseudo-pornography? Where! Where! Where!
Hmmmmm.....
Osyter ...
OSYTER!
ARE YOU FLASHING US!
ITS CHRISTMAS - NOT MARDI GRAIS!
Where's ya beads baby.
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 04:30 PM (Jvmry)
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Murtha went butts up. He should move to France.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2005 07:58 PM (OvTKg)
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[blush]
Posted by: Oyster at December 02, 2005 10:08 PM (YudAC)
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heh, heh, ha, ha
Posted by: greyrooster at December 05, 2005 06:32 PM (9Dlss)
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