Italy's Foreign Affairs minister announced today that he believed the version of events offered by Giuliana Sgrena in a dispute over the facts on what really happened when American soldiers openned fire on the freed hostage's vehicle. The incident left on Italian secret-service agent, Nicola Calipari, dead near the Baghdad airport.

Giuliana Sgrena is a known anti-American propagandist and liar with a history of accusing the United States of the most outlandish crimes. In the past Sgrena has claimed the US used napalm on civilians, massacred thousands, and tortured children. Sgrena has even hinted that the U.S. used nuclear weapons during the Iraq invasion. Sgrena's lies and propaganda are documented here.

In a bizarrely contradictory statement, the foreign minister claimed the incident was both an "accident" yet that some one needed to be punished.

"It was an accident," Fini told lawmakers. "This does not prevent, in fact, it makes it a duty for the government to demand that light be shed on the murky issues, that responsibilities be pinpointed and, where found, that the culprits be punished." (AP)

The Italian minister also bought one version of Sgrena's story.

"The car was travelling at a speed that couldn't have been more than 40kph," Fini said. He said that a light was flashed at the car after a curve and that the gunfire -- lasting 10 or 15 seconds -- started immediately afterward, disputing US military claims that several attempts were made to stop the car.

Sgrena, in one version of the story written for Italian audiences disputed a US claim that lights were flashed at the car to warn it to slow down. However, in an English language interview with the BBC she admitted lights had been flashed.

In another version of the story Sgrena also claimed the vehicle she was driving in was speeding so fast in the rain that the driver almost lost control.

The US claims to have shot warning shots at the car, something Sgrena denies. However, Sgena does claim that between 300-400 shots were fired. A single bullet hit one of the three passengers making it all but certain that the US version of events is accurate and that Sgrena is intentionally lying to make the US look bad.

In comparison, Bonnie and Clyde's car was hit with a comparable number of bullets, 300-400, yet both were hit about 50 times. It is likely that the initial shots Sgrena heard were warning shots. The incident happened on a rainy night.

Sgrena has called the incident an "ambush" and has alluded to the US trying to send a message to anti-war reporters. Sgrena made a similar claim during the US invasion when the hotel she was staying at was hit by coalition fire causing minor damage.

The incident has heightened the unpopularity of Italian participation in the US led occupation. Italy has about 3,000 troops in Iraq. Sgrena is not only openly anti-war but also openly anti-American. Her communist newspaper, Il Manifesto, has used the incident to rally anti-war sentiments. An anti-war protest has been scheduled by Il Manifesto to honor Sgrena's release.

UPDATE: Jack Lewis also documents Sgrena's contradictory stories here.

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1 hi to all... just few lines What happened to Giuliana Sgrena and Nicola Calipari is simply crazyness. As crazy as Your WAR your personal war boys. In europe , in italy too, we don't believe in war as a method to "tech" democracy we believe , as catholic as comunist as liberal, in PEACE. We don't use Dealth penalty to punish evil men as you do in America We don't use chains to carry our detenutes for a 10 minute's air breath We don't sell guns to our citizens to our babys think about it Europe is culture is peace America Where are you? bye

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 08:31 AM (6Bbh7)

2 The Italians want Justice? They should shoot Giuliana Sgrena in the ass for faking her own kidnapping and extorting 10 million bucks out of the Government. Justice would have been her death rather than that poor Intel guy who died because of her.

Posted by: Obsnooks at March 08, 2005 08:34 AM (yBHNA)

3 Hey Antonio- You cowards in Europe never believe in war. You believe in Surrender. THat is why you are partial to SauerKraut and Snitzel. Achtung you europimp! You should quit your job at the white flag factory and join the real world.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at March 08, 2005 08:36 AM (yBHNA)

4 What happened to Giuliana Sgrena and Nicola Calipari is simply crazyness. I agree- She should not have faked her own kidnapping. As crazy as Your WAR your personal war boys. In europe , in italy too, we don't believe in war as a method to "tech" democracy we believe , as catholic as comunist as liberal, in PEACE. Filty Allah is right. You are cowards. No wonder the USA has to save your yellow asses over and over. We don't use Dealth penalty to punish evil men as you do in America. You let them go with a croissant and a promise not to do it again. We don't sell guns to our citizens to our babys think about it Europe is culture is peace Europe is morally bankrupt. Remember, In france you are GUilty until proven innocent.

Posted by: Earl Dittman at March 08, 2005 08:40 AM (yBHNA)

5 Funny, Europeans do not believe in war. The 2 largest were started in Europe, and we saved your butts both times. How about France's adventure in Vietnam? Bet your forgot about that one, Antonio. How many European countries were involved in the Korean War? Oh, and don't forget about the US saving your butts from being over run by the Soviet Union.

Posted by: William Teach at March 08, 2005 08:52 AM (HxpPK)

6 No, no, Europe has now evolved into the standard holders of peace! They have finally seen the wisdom in non-violence and have created a better society. Just like they did at the Congress of Vienna after Napoleon. And then again after German and Italian unification. And once again after World War I. And WWII. And after the Cold War. But finally, after the Kosovo War, this one will be true peace! They will never feel agression ever again. Well, maybe after the eventual formation of a Sixth Republic in France, but its definitely clear sailing after that.

Posted by: Wine-aholic at March 08, 2005 09:04 AM (Wsn+K)

7 Oh yeah... Antonio- Please inform your partners in surrender the French not to eat the grapes before they make the wine.

Posted by: Obsnooks at March 08, 2005 09:10 AM (yBHNA)

8 And let's not forget the non-violent Communist revolution of 1917. Remember when the Czar and his family were given that stern lecture and simply told to go away?

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 08, 2005 09:15 AM (x+5JB)

9 Oh Yes! I never ever forget what Americans did 60 years ago in europe. Every italian thanks you for rescue from Nazist/fascist regime for ever.. but now the situation is so different. Europe is growing up faster and faster , society in it live under human rights respect and peace , just take a walk in italy or in denmark or whatever nation you want and breath freedom. We're defeating neocons party as well as in italy or in other places to allow people to really choose between peace and war. With you or without you.It's not a problem. I hope your bush amministration that bring you to war falls-out very soon and give to americans freedom and justice and worldwide respect.

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 09:21 AM (6Bbh7)

10 Man, I love the smell of troll in the morning!!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at March 08, 2005 09:23 AM (JQjhA)

11 Antonio: You explain the reason why my Muslim Friends find it so easy to operate in your countries. You are soft. Easy to manipulate. Look what my brothers did in Spain! Stay the way you are Antonio and soon, you will be facing Mecca 5 times a day. Oh, save time and buy your wife a burka now before prices go up.

Posted by: filthy allah at March 08, 2005 09:26 AM (yBHNA)

12 You brute American Scum must say you are sorry for the way you insult my tender Antonio!

Posted by: Antonios Gay Lover at March 08, 2005 09:27 AM (yBHNA)

13 It's still a shame that Sgrena didn't catch that bullet in a vital organ. That's the true tragedy in all this.

Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at March 08, 2005 09:34 AM (WsZ4F)

14 Oh my god! how many answers! I think it's true that now Europeans and Americans are very far from having the same idea about rights, history and future. But i haven't understand -really- why did you attack iraq... for Mass destruction weapons? ah but who gave MDW to saddam'regime ? it was me from italy? no i think that in the past 20 years your country (expecially) as well as some europeans make trouble and businness with mullah with saddam , gave weapons to africa instead food and schools .. and now it's the result war war war when i tell you that something in europe is changing i refer to this ... the people now knows and can't ignore nothing. Bye bye take care of your self

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 09:34 AM (6Bbh7)

15 Ok ok i'll replay to all!!! - "You brute American Scum must say you are sorry for the way you insult my tender Antonio!" Antonios Gay Lover ME: very funny!! better than jerry lewis! - You explain the reason why my Muslim Friends find it so easy to operate in your countries. You are soft. Easy to manipulate. Look what my brothers did in Spain! ME: Muslims live in italy since 800 AC . the italian culture is full of islam tradition ...Islam world is in a difficult period . Not all Arabs are terrorists only a small part of them . In italy live many Muslim and all of them are good people but tell me which is better take under arrest all and take them to guantanamo? (uhhhh) - Stay the way you are Antonio and soon, you will be facing Mecca 5 times a day. Oh, save time and buy your wife a burka now before prices go up. ME: Do you think Bush religion idea is different from mullah? What do you think your president think about the relationship between religion and ethic? the same of mullah. Burqua ? who sell it? taliban? oh taliban ... i remember that talibans went to new york many years ago to meet rumsfield to make businness... Don't? do want to see the picture of this meeting? Ok i'm stopping now have you notice that before my post (it's my first visit here) no one reply before? Now this site is alive!

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 09:51 AM (6Bbh7)

16 This man clearly disagrees with the war, but he's not being malicious about it. He does not advocate the destruction of our troops or the American people. I think that he means well for us. (And he writes better English than I can Italian.) Let's argue our case without sophomoric insults to the man.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 08, 2005 09:52 AM (x+5JB)

17 Siete un branco di fottuti maiali

Posted by: Teskio at March 08, 2005 09:53 AM (M/RPo)

18 i forgot: make love not war boys no pornostar no peepshow

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 10:00 AM (6Bbh7)

19 After reading Antonio's last remarks, I take it all back.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 08, 2005 10:09 AM (x+5JB)

20 Be nice to antonio, kids. He lives in a dying culture, rotting under a self-bankrupting government, with a declining birthrate, weak economy, and an increasing Muslim fundementalist movement. He lives under the delusions that his country and his way of life is right becuase he must; he simply has no other way to deal with the fact that his nation is in decline, as are most nations in western Europe. These countries need the United States as a scapegoat, just as they needed the wartorn countries of the Middle East and Africa as places to feel superior to. Denial is a powerful defense mechanism. antonio doesn't mean to be an idiot, it is simply a defense mechanism against the insanity of a crumbling once-proud society.

Posted by: Confederate Yankee at March 08, 2005 10:14 AM (C5gjM)

21 it was not me to post....

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 10:17 AM (6Bbh7)

22 you are the alone empty people and inasmuch as you are of the trade you empty the balls to me, suck suck suck and not to lose not one drop..... greedy

Posted by: SKULL at March 08, 2005 10:35 AM (M/RPo)

23 in replay to Confederate Yankee: Do you really think that? Do you think my country is trying to survive? no you 're blind. the economy of this world is changing . No more only one nation can tell the rule but all tells the rules. This is the end of america's supremacy that made the world better some decade ago but carring on as now means slavery . Admit to yourself why america can't gain profit no more from arab's oil , why it can't tell the rules in south america in africa in asia. It's simple the people's destiny is returnig to their hands. Look at Venezuela,Brasil,Ecuador,Cina,India, look at those nation that yesterday was poor and owned by west "democracy" No one no more. That's why Bush wons for the second times. that's why Berlusconi wons , Blair wons , Putin wons. this is the only reason to explain this WAR. I hope all of you think about what war means not only for you but for people that suffer for it. think about iraqui people that aren't terrorist (99%) they die as worms by your inconscious hand under cluster bombs gas bombs bullets.. in the name of what? Do you think one day they will thank you ? for what? abu Graib , guantanamo , falluja and now giuliana's case risk to put mud on america credibility (translate in english from italian credibilità). I remeber to you ... make a trip for holiday i'll do it as soon as i can . go to south america or whatever you want talk with people if you can notice their proud without having money or guns you can discover your real one. and probably you can imagine where the world is coming to.

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 10:46 AM (6Bbh7)

24 the anti-Sgrena bloggers should get your facts straight...the car had stopped before it was fired on. so says the driver. How is it that the brave soldier occupiers are excused for murder? perhaps they should not be there in the first place!

Posted by: arya at March 08, 2005 10:50 AM (cZY1m)

25 Antonio, don't forget that it's the terrorists who are exploding bombs in the middle of crowds of Iraqi citizens.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 08, 2005 11:09 AM (x+5JB)

26 oh yes i know .... i know also all the atrocities that terrorist commit on poor people in iraq as in iran as in syria... Information today brings to us all crimes news in every places don't forget cecenia , korea , china. we have to stand for rights and we have to do unite. But before doing that we have to elevate rights and democracy in our countries we can talk about pollution if in italy for example politicians gain power by mafia or america can talk about rights when in a state (i don't remember which sorry) a judge put to death by gas chamber...or guantanamo o abu graib If a european or italian told you this is for friendship because he can't figure out he can't believe... and suggest to make a turn. ok great day for me , i'm enjoy it bbut now ... i must work before my boss pulls me out. bye to all

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 11:29 AM (6Bbh7)

27 oh yes i know .... i know also all the atrocities that terrorist commit on poor people in iraq as in iran as in syria... Information today brings to us all crimes news in every places don't forget cecenia , korea , china. we have to stand for rights and we have to do unite. But before doing that we have to elevate rights and democracy in our countries we can talk about pollution if in italy for example politicians gain power by mafia or america can talk about rights when in a state (i don't remember which sorry) a judge put to death by gas chamber...or guantanamo o abu graib If a european or italian told you this is for friendship because he can't figure out he can't believe... and suggest to make a turn. ok great day for me , i'm enjoy it but now ... i must work before my boss pulls me out. if everyone want to contact me please feel free and write me on my mail. sorry for my bad english bye

Posted by: antonio at March 08, 2005 11:30 AM (6Bbh7)

28 To Sgrena from Rod Go F--- yourself!

Posted by: Rod Stanton at March 08, 2005 11:46 AM (l5t6M)

29 See guys? Antonio's not a bad dude. He might be opposed to the war, but he's not after American blood like so many other "peace" lovers we've heard from recently.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 08, 2005 01:13 PM (x+5JB)

30 WAKE UP!!! You are living in a terrible dream...i know you need a reason to be there, fighthing for a war that isn't yours, but you can't believe that war is the right way to solve problems! And please don't talk about Italy, you don't have the history and the prestige of our country. Think about yourself, a country governed by fear of their citizens, and that is trying to export their fear to the whole world....but the world is not like you!! I don't know if i'm better or worse...but i like my way to be and you don't have to talk about it! Please, pay attention, not all americans thinks like you, i hope you know it....it's a shame...you talk about life like nuts. Finally, is better to be an italian rabbit then an american idiot! PS Ciao Teskio!!!cazz' e fin' hai fatt'!

Posted by: spens at March 08, 2005 01:43 PM (QVA5a)

31 Sorry I grew up in Siberia, England and now live in the U.S Your RIDICULOUS stereotypes about Americans living in fear are so unfounded and stupid. I've been here for 6 years and let me assure you the atmosphere in this country is much brighter and more pleasant than both Russia AND England. Fighting a war that isn't ours? Well WHO else is going to do it????? Obviously only a couple of countries in Europe have the courage to stand up for others when they cannot defend themselves. Other countries obviously just don't care, and believe that societies should just be left to work things out by themselves. Much of Europe is simply bitter that America is at the fore-front of change in the world. That's all it is. I used to have a similar problem when I was living in the U.K, but many of the thoughtless stereotypes in and around that country were squashed when I moved here. I'm here to tell you, "screw you." Don't help the Coalition (and I'm including ALL the countries who are currently involved). We'll continue to support and give help to those who can't help themselves (which you seem to think is SO SIMPLE), and you continue to care about your immediate family and treat everyone else like they live on the Moon. We'll see who gets more done.

Posted by: Igor Kazakov at March 08, 2005 04:28 PM (xM3Dg)

32 Amen, Igor.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at March 08, 2005 04:58 PM (snAx4)

33 US is the best, trust me. We have the Duff DO AH HI HO HU

Posted by: John at March 08, 2005 06:17 PM (QVA5a)

34 Actually, Antonio, you seem very ignorant of the history of Iraq and its WMD programs. In fact, most of the components for Iraq's programs of nuclear weapons, biological weapons and chemical weapons did come from Europe. France built Iraq's first nuclear reactor, and intentionally transfered to Iraq a reactor designed to be able to produce weapons grade plutonium. Most of Iraq's weapons were Soviet in origin, but the next largest supplier of military weapons to Iraq after the Sovbloc was France again. Followed by Germany. If you think that Falluja undermines US credibility, its because you've been lied to about what happened there. Part of the reason that the town was so difficult to capture last fall was because the first time the US tried to push the terrorists out of Falluja, there was a campaign of lies that created political pressures not to continue the attacks. That was a large mistake as the terrorists built up their forces there, and as is now clear, embarked on a campaign of terrorizing the residents of Falluja. In the end, the US and Iraqi forces found that the residents were happy that we finally cleaned out their town of foreign terrorists. It takes some work to find these accounts - especially in Europe whose media is filled with dishonest accounts of Falluja.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at March 08, 2005 06:29 PM (xauGB)

35 Non parlate di storia per piacere! Nè di democrazia! Avete scelto di essere lì perchè i vostri pensieri di soldati, di uomini di guerra sono pensieri di odio e di distruzione. Non cercate di rivestire la morte con i panni rassicuranti della democrazia e della storia. La vera democrazia è riconoscere ad ogni uomo la possibilità di pensare che la propria morte sia ben più importante di qualsiasi ragione storica o politica.

Posted by: girl at March 09, 2005 06:05 AM (j5KF+)

36 hey ANTONIO, the United States never gave Saddam any Weapons of Mass Destruction, true the U.S. sold them regular infantry and artillery weaponry in the IRAN and IRAQI WAR, but which european country didn't?? Even now Germany and France and some E.U. states are planning on selling military tech to the Chinese. Back to the WMD, It was the the FRENCH who sold it (nuclear reactor) to them even help them build it... and oh about your "Peace talks", why dont you ask the French about West Africa (ex.. ivory coast)they're Big on Peace Talks...

Posted by: erving at March 09, 2005 12:35 PM (JNfad)

37 FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TOLD ME! ...the only words a real soldier should shout pissing on his gun! signature Think differnt group!

Posted by: zack at March 09, 2005 05:05 PM (QVA5a)

38 Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite All of which are American dreams All of which are American dreams All of which are American dreams

Posted by: zack at March 09, 2005 05:07 PM (QVA5a)

39 think different, be different, live different

Posted by: zack at March 09, 2005 05:18 PM (QVA5a)

40 So much for any hope of coherence.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at March 09, 2005 08:36 PM (xauGB)

41 We have to remember that Antonio is from a country ruled by the muslims for over 400 years. That was before birth control. Birds of a feather?

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 01:57 AM (gvOyZ)

42 I mean I assume he's sicilian. Everyone else in Italy gets the news.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 06:31 PM (CBNGy)

43 How does a mind like Zacks figure out how to turn a computer on? Must be luck. Maybe, that's why we don't hear from him much.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 06:36 PM (CBNGy)

44 IGOR: Seriously here. I love the Brits. The Brits, Aussies and yes, Ruskies have always been my favorite people. The reason. Courage. I have to exclude Scandinavia as everyone knows they're really the best. I am one of them. What is the problem you had with the Brits? I find them to be a great nation. The only serious error I find they have made is too many muslims in jolly ole England. This has created lots of problems. If they aren't careful it will get worse. Other than that I can find no fault. I have always considered them to be the bravest nation on earth. Classy and gentlemanly. A bit quick to fight, but I like that in a people. What problems did you have? I'm going over there next month. I even like their food. I know, thats sick, but bangers and beer are food from heaven. Clue me in.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 06:50 PM (CBNGy)

45 I wonder about someone who comes to an english spealing blog and comment in a foreign language. Hey GIRL. Looks good but no comprende. Speaka the English.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 06:55 PM (CBNGy)

46 SPENS: You're wrong.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 07:00 PM (CBNGy)

47 Antonio: South America. Are you nuts. Been there, done that. They are flooding our borders. The big dream south of the border. Come to the United States, legally or illegally. If we are so bad WHY? We have a word here. MOONBAT. Do you know what it means. Bye.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 11, 2005 07:10 PM (CBNGy)

48 in reply to greyrooster.. i'm italian 100% i write from Milan not from sicily (but i was born in the south italy near Neaples) I don't think America is too bad! i think America is a great place but you have many contraddictions inside.. and we 're talking about that... I'm not flooding this board infact i leave my real email not a fake one... Just fot talk

Posted by: antonio at March 14, 2005 07:56 AM (6Bbh7)

49 beloved ally American is a soldier like you and perhaps before you they have been in many places you ask yours connects MARIN as ando' the elisbarco to SOGOLAK in 1997 I WAS TO DIE THEM From LAUGHING. " THANKS FOR the RISATE ". and siccome I know to you very well as the thoughts I ask you only one what THAT I HAUL WE HAVE GONE AGO IN IRAQ? INVENTED And YOU DO NOT SAY LITTLE HAULED. to I forgot if the benzine serves you sail satisfied I but left to be the IRAQ. And GOOD BOTTA

Posted by: FAFA at April 05, 2005 05:06 AM (hz7NW)

50 sorry for american Hey!!! I am a soldier like you, I worked and I still work with you and I know really well you manner of think and your approach to thinks and to military actions. Why you do not ask to your colleagues of the Navy how it was the helicopter-landing (helilanding) in SOGOLAC in Bosnia? I was about to die of laughing, thank you very much for that guys it was definitely quite an experience!!!! Just a question: what the hell are we doing in Iraq? Why the hell are we over there? To do precisely what???!!! If Bush needs petrol he could find an smarter way to get it!!!! Â… GET OUT OF IRAQ!!!!!! LET IRAQI PEOPLE TO LIVE THEIR OWN HISTORY AND CIVIL EVOLUTION!!!!

Posted by: fafa at April 05, 2005 07:29 AM (hz7NW)

51 " AP - Italian investigators have blamed stress, inexperience, poor procedures and fatigue among American troops for the fatal shooting of an Italian intelligence agent on a Baghdad road. The investigators found no evidence, however, that the March 4 killing of Nicola Calipari was deliberate. The Italians, in a report released overnight, also did not object to many of the findings of fact contained in a separate American report that was made public on Saturday." Satellite video proves that the car, which the Italians claimed was going 50 kph, was really going 95 kph. So the Italians lied. Then they immediately accused the US with conspiracy theories. Now when the final report comes out, they refuse to acknowledge the results. The government is obviously afraid of upsetting the nationalist emotions of the people, so it is careful not to do anything that would seem mature or honest. " Calipari is regarded an Italian hero and his death was mourned as a national tragedy." Why not? In a nation full of both angry anti-American leftists and reckless drivers, he should be the posterboy. My guess? They see a checkpoint. Their adrenaline is pumped from freeing the woman held hostage. The woman is a communist, writes for "The Manifesto", who initially went to Italy to oppose the US through "journalism". Most Italians lean towards the Left, opposed their own government's decision to support the US. and in a fit of passive-aggressive disdain, refuse to obey the rules about slowing down properly. After all, these are the 'big bad' American troops who they have been bashing for years. It would be unthinkable in terms of street cred as well as glorious Italian pride, to politely obey the man the with the gun. Their intention was something like speed up the checkpoint, show ID without saying anything, only steely glares at their hated adversaries, and then speed away in disdain, preferably with peeling rubber. In a similar spirit, the government now decides to let it drop without admitting the fault of the driver and the high speed. Truth and facts are far less important than Italian pride. http://veraciraptor.blogspot.com/

Posted by: V. at May 04, 2005 07:57 AM (q23DB)

52 "Europe is culture is peace America Where are you?" How fitting, at the 60th anniversary of Peaceful Europe's annihilation of 60 million people. 60 million who never had grandchildren. 60 million who can make no comment on Europe's peaceful culture. 60 million added to the millions of others in Africa, the Americas, Asia ... who Peaceful Europe exterminated. Yes, after 2000 years of war and destruction, Europe has behaved well for a few decades. Even death penalty is stopped for a few years now. And suddenly Europe which killed more people in the 20th century than anyone else in HISTORY, is preaching about how peaceful and superior it is???????? Europe Uber Alles, once again?

Posted by: observant at May 04, 2005 08:04 AM (q23DB)

53 We are all the same. Yes, certain people and countries in this world have more power than others over physical aspects of the world. Our soul is really the only thing we own. Nothing physical or materialistic matters. Only to those who only know physical it matters, but brings them only suffering. No land belongs to anyone. Religions and Boundaries(countries, rules, law, morals of today) were formed to make us seperate, to make us forget. Now is the time to search, because now is the time we earn our time in the devine. Look past political. Look past science. Look past all that has been 'setup' for us today. Look past how we are living now. Because there is so much more sweet sweet children, but we have to open our minds and souls. Do not judge one another with your eyes, do not judge at all. Physical beauty brings sorrow, but eternal beauty brings only happiness. This time of suffering is what we need to know the good times(devine). We should not form attachments, because then death causes pain and suffering. Souls are eternal and live on forever. The people you share happy times with now, you will continuously meet in all your other lives, as pure souls(spiritual,devine) and as unpure souls(physical, hell). Man dies, Spirit is enternal. Where science ends, religion begins. Where religion ends, truth and spirituality begin. Our minds have been blurred by hate, greed, power,ego and lust. All these things are shared, no matter what race, country, or religion. We are all on the same boat, just on different decks. There is no toleration for these differences at this time. We believe we are only physical, this will change and soon every soul will understand the truth. Hazards and disasters in nature all around the world are becoming more intense. This is because the souls are falling. Everything happens for a reason. -Soon to be none again, so that knew life can come again. -Man gets tired, spirit don't. Man surrenders, spirit won't. Man crawls, spirit flys. Spirit lives when man dies. Man seems, spirit is. Man dreams, Spirit lives. Man is tethered, Spirit free. What spirit is man can be.

Posted by: Eternal Soul at July 29, 2005 05:22 AM (aeRPx)

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