) for the fascist who is prosecuting Oriana Fallaci for daring to speak out against the Islamification of Europe.
Let me make something perfectly clear: I do not hate Muslims. I do not believe Muslims go to hell. I do not believe Muslims are bad people.
What I am is a lover of liberty.
What I hate about Islam is not what most Christians hate about Islam. What I hate about Islam is that it seems to be anti-libertarian. I could care less if Muslims want to condemn me to hell. Most Christians also believe I am going to hell. Thank you one and all for your concern for my eternal soul.
What I do object to is Muslims using the law to put people in prison (or worse) for exercising basic human rights such as the right to say bad things about, well, Islam.
I doubt if I represent what most Americans think, but I can say without reservation that I for one do not hate Muslims. But I do hate Islam. I also do not hate communists, but I do hate Communism. Islam in its historical and mainstream manifestation is every bit as evil as Communism was. It quashes the individual. It makes him a slave to the religious community.
I have been told that thousands of slave owners were very nice. Despite the law, they educated their slaves, provided good food and shelter (certainly better than many free smallholders had), did not break up families, and allowed them a great deal of freedom of movement and worship. But no matter how pleasent the master may seem he is still the master. A happy slave is still a slave.
I will not be a willing participant in the Islamification of Europe. Too many Americans died to free the Continent from the slavery of Fascism. Countless billions of American dollars were spent protecting the Continent from the slavery of Communism.
We are now engaged in a great war of ideas. This war is not between Christians and Muslims. It is a war between freedom and Islam. It is a war of ideas. We cannot afford to lose this war.
Posted by: kjl at May 26, 2005 01:36 PM (NfZYP)
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The big deal probably is that she's publishing an anti-Muslim book in a time of EUs Muslim country invasion. (membership negotiations with Turkish Cyprus, Turkey, Morocco, Albania and (Former Yugoslavian Republic of) Macedonia)
Nothing is allowed to mess with the EUs plans of continental domination, so naturally these voices of pro-Americanism and crusades must be silenced so we don't have to adjust any behaviour when the Muslims submit to EUs command.
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 01:50 PM (lGolT)
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Wow, very well said indeed Rusty. If that letter doesn't provoke some sort of reaction, I dunno what would.
Posted by: tyler at May 26, 2005 02:03 PM (Y9Lwb)
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You've got it all backward. With current demographic trends the EU will be Muslim in 100 years or so. YOu wouldn't want to piss off your new masters, would you?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 26, 2005 02:03 PM (JQjhA)
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"Also, as we speak, I am burning a copy of the Koran."
You sir, owe me a new keyboard. I will await remittance through the usual VRWC channels.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 26, 2005 02:07 PM (jPCiN)
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And to my country, Fascism brought nothing but a chance to get lost land back from Soviets, and thanks to Hitler forcing us to prove our might once more, the Communists became quite peaceful, and useful business assosiates. You should've kept your artificial noses out of it, so they could've fallen peacefully on their own, and we could've benefited more of their distress. If you wouldn't have messed with them they wouldn't have wasted all their effort on war machinery and space exploring instead of economy, wellfare and agriculture.
I don't see anything wrong with Sosialism. I see greedy people who destroyed a great goal, just because they didn't want to have a world where they got no power with their money and resources.
And before you start saying: "but the people in Soviet countries were suffering and being oppressed, blaa blaa blaa", I say it's your fault for declaring yourself their enemy and opposing to everything they tried to do, and in that way forcing them to use everything they had to defend from you instead of creating their ideal society. Yes, Stalin was an asshole, but you could've just killed him back in 1946 instead of increasing your military expenditures.
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:12 PM (lGolT)
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Lol. When was the last time Muslims actually got power over something else than Spain or other deserts?
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:14 PM (lGolT)
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On the other hand, I wouldn't mind switching to Progressive Islam like Turkeys.
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:16 PM (lGolT)
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Finn
Once again your view of history is just wrong. I realize that you want to have a nice neat world where everything can be blamed on the US, but it just isn't the case.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 26, 2005 02:17 PM (jPCiN)
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Finn,
I suggest going to Turkey and saying something anti-Islamic. You will find yourself in jail.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 26, 2005 02:24 PM (JQjhA)
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Finn, ya gotta see the bombed out synagogue tour when you visit moderate Turkey.
I can just see them buying you drinks when you start with your “God doesn’t exist speech”
Actually, that kind of talk may land you in a Turkish prison. If that happens, I hope you packed your herring oil.
Posted by: Brad at May 26, 2005 02:36 PM (B54Lt)
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Well, why didn't Mighty Finland knock off Mr. Stalin???? Have we got to do everything?? (Answer : usually). Plus you are a lot closer.
Posted by: Howie at May 26, 2005 02:40 PM (D3+20)
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Finn,
Whatever you do, don't come to America and go to a rally for George Bush wearing an anti-Bush T-shirt. You will find yourself in jail. Such is the state of democracy in America.
Posted by: greg at May 26, 2005 02:43 PM (/+dAV)
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Hey! I've been to Turkey, and everything was fine there. Their Islam is just like North European Protestant Christianity: As long as you don't start mocking it out loud in public places you can say anything want about it without consequences.
Besides, we 'knocked off' several 'Stalins', pretty much every single one that dared leave Moscow, but since Stalin had many brothers and several other look-a-likes we could've used some help at the UN conventions the actual Stalin visited (you know, not being from a UN country (joined somewhere in the mid-1950s) makes it pretty difficult to sneak in with a rifle)
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:49 PM (lGolT)
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Besides, Turkish prisons have only isolation chambers, not some stupid buttfucking breaks outside when the big bad bikers and steroid apes rape your average fraud convict. And Islam is strickly against gay, so gay people in jails would be (tortured? No, they're adjusting to EU regulations) put in a dark room for months.
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:54 PM (lGolT)
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Rusty, am I holding my Koran (Qu'ran-Quran-Q'u'r'a'n-whatever) correctly?
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2005/05/msms-distain-for-military-newsweek.html
You may now return to your ululating.
Posted by: CDR Salamander at May 26, 2005 03:03 PM (PJ4Iq)
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Ululate... Interresting word for making annoying howling noices. Never seen it anywhere before... Almost draws my attention away from the republicans here.
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 03:10 PM (lGolT)
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Oh yeah, gotta get 8 hours of sleep this night, so guutbai. (Sud vrait moor in pronaunsiaisson-moud) ((And that's English written the way I would say it, and includes no insults))
Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 03:22 PM (lGolT)
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Greg,
You sure they just don't drag you out of the convention by your feet face down and turn you loose outside with a nice case of road rash on your nose.
Just jerkin' yer chain Finn.
I have some buddies who have been to prison. Most raping is done by the "Disciples". The "White Pride" biker gangs like Hell's Angels, Outlaws, Storm Riders will be the ones you pay or join to protect your rectum from Disciples, Crypts and Bloods. I grew up around a bunch of Outlaw's(joliet chapter) Former President was from my hometown. They came in every summer for a week or two and parents rushed to take their kids in while they snuck back out the back door to wave at the Harleys. Not one bad incident. Most were pretty nice guys. You wouldn't want to cross them, but have a beer with them. No problem. Just people like anyone else. Except they might have their old lady dance for you if they like you.
Posted by: Howie at May 26, 2005 03:22 PM (D3+20)
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CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to a July 4 presidential appearance filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.
http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php/t-19144.html
OREGON TEACHERS KICKED OUT OF BUSH SPEECH FOR SHIRTS SAYING “PROTECT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES
Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and escorted from the event after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties."
http://monsterp.blogs.com/monster_blog/2004/10/civil_liberties.html
When retired Pittsburgh steelworker Bill Neel learned that President George W. Bush was coming to town last year, he decided he would be on hand to protest the president's economic policies.
Neel and his sister made a hand-lettered sign - The Bush family must surely love the poor! They have made so many of us! - and headed for a road where the motorcade would pass.
But he never got to display his sign for Bush to see.
As he stood among milling groups of Bush supporters, he was approached by a local police detective and told that he and his sister had to move to a "free-speech area" for protesters, on orders of the U.S. Secret Service.
"He pointed out a relatively remote baseball diamond that was enclosed in a chain-link fence," Neel recalls.
"I could see these people behind the fence, with their faces up against it, and their hands on the wire.
"It looked more like a concentration camp than a free-speech area to me, so I said, `I'm not going in there. I thought the whole country was a free-speech area.'"
After refusing several times to go to the area, he was handcuffed and arrested on a charge of disorderly conduct.
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/weekly_2003/free_speech_denied_protest_pens.html
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera
Some Democracy!
Posted by: greg at May 26, 2005 03:22 PM (/+dAV)
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So in other words, greg, the story doesn't back your lies.
No surprise.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 26, 2005 04:12 PM (xauGB)
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Robin,
What dream world are you living in?
I cited 3 stories. In the first there were two arrests.
Stupid Bitch!
Posted by: greg at May 26, 2005 04:23 PM (/+dAV)
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Gee, I could have sworn that Rus told you guys (Greg, Baber boys, so on) that he would tolerate your crap if you would avoid personal attacks. Yet every time I come in here, Greg is calling somebody a f... or calling Robin a 'stupid bitch'. So nice to see the Jawa crumble. Every day this place looks more and more like Kosville. Come on little Greggy, call me a bad word. You're a big tough one, aren't you, coming in with your crap quotes from moonbat land. Then when someone doesn't accept your pov you call them a stupid bitch. You must have gotten picked on a lot when you were a child...oh wait, you still are a child!
Posted by: Gregisatool at May 26, 2005 05:50 PM (YAEN3)
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Yes, gregisatool, greg's disgusting filthy mouth got old long ago.
In neither case was anyone arrested for a t-shirt as your lie claimed, greg. Each was arrested for protesting where they were not allowed. A lot of anti-Bush protestors believe that freedom of speech means that they get to invade events where they were not invited. This is false.
Evidently the difference is too difficult for you to comprehend. Not a surprise.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 26, 2005 08:32 PM (xauGB)
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More proof that Liberals are a threat to freedom.
I also sent the Liberal fascista an email.
Posted by: Carlos at May 26, 2005 09:45 PM (8e/V4)
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Howie:
So if (ok, when) I go to an US prison, I need to find "White Pride"-people? Thanks for the advice, man.
Änd thö seim in pronaunsieisson-Inglis:
Hauvie:
Sou if (oukei, wen) ai gou tu än juues prisn, ai niid tu faind "vait praid"-piipol? Tänks for thö ädvais, mään.
Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 02:44 AM (cWMi4)
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Hey, almost forgot to mention this somewhere:
Bush got
a grenade thrown at him in Georgia,
(the former part of Soviet Union, not the one you have) but the darn thing was a dud, otherwise he'd be missing the right half of his face and bodyparts. (or a bodyguard)
Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 03:19 AM (cWMi4)
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Sir,
THANKS for your letter to the fascist. It's just great. And thanks for spreading his e-mail. I hope more bloggers will follow your example. I'm going to spread the news on italian newspapers
Posted by: KrilliX at May 27, 2005 03:20 AM (/7AIJ)
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Robin, wait a minute, you can't protest everywhere you want in your country? Don't you have freedom of expression? You can just say what you want as long as you don't get many people together to say it out loud in public near the people you need to say it to? Your system is worse than Turkeys, at least they arrest people for public blasphemy instead of saying "Bush ain't so great" near Bush supporters.
Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 03:45 AM (cWMi4)
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I thought the news report about it was exaggerated, but I guess you do have a person-cult for your presidents like Russians
Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 04:00 AM (cWMi4)
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THANKS for your letter to the (leftist)fascist!
Freedom of word in Italy!
il sorvegliato speciale (a italian blog)
Posted by: sorvy at May 27, 2005 05:44 AM (rIvGw)
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Gerg and A Finn,
I have nothing against protesters in general. For the most part, they're conscientious people who simply want to make a statement. However, a few bad apples have used the "protest" as a tool to become verbally and physically abusive and our police, in most cases, are simply trying to prevent a situation from escalating. Their job is to protect us. Too often those who protest want to be accepted as excersizing their right of free speech and when another uses their right to tell them to shut up, we end up with the protester expecting a double standard to be employed. Separating these protesters from the general audience who want to hear a certain message is often the only recourse to avoid confrontation.
Many of these instances whereby a protester wears a t-shirt with their message is removed from the festivities has done more than just wear a t-shirt. These instance are often not reported as they actually happen and people become more agitated as a result. Sometimes they are actually removed wrongly, but I would venture to guess it's not as often as we're led to believe.
I've always been of the mind that, if I wasn't actually there, I can't pass judgement on the individual or individuals involved.
We have some here too that will pass judgement without knowing the facts or being there simply because they already have a preconceived notion of events or people's feelings.
Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 08:51 AM (fl6E1)
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Gerg? Oh well, I kinda like it better than Greg.
Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 08:52 AM (fl6E1)
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"Sometimes they are actually removed wrongly, but I would venture to guess it's not as often as we're led to believe."-Oyster
You're damn right. And you're not bothered. Typical Neocon,. They chat up democracy inn Iraq but ignore it at home. IIt's just lip service from fascist enablers.
"I've always been of the mind that, if I wasn't actually there, I can't pass judgement on the individual or individuals involved."-Oyster
Well you sure do yap a lot about the war even though you aren''t "actually there". Your argument is hollow.
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 09:06 AM (/+dAV)
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greg,
the problem with these protesters is that often they're really just rioters playing as protesters. If they can't self-police the more violent elements in their midst, then we'll send in the cops with the bean bags and microwaves to disperse them. That's not anti-democratic.
Posted by: Carlos at May 27, 2005 09:42 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos:"the problem with these protesters is that often they're really just rioters playing as protesters."
That's bullshit! Read the damn first article and then comment. The were peaceful. You're just being an enabler of facism. In WWII there were milions of "good" Germans just like you who made excuses for the government as it sequentually desended into a state of Fascism.
Good job!
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 09:51 AM (/+dAV)
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A Finn, freedom of expression is not freedom to trespass. Nor is it freedom to interfere with other people's rights.
Thugs like greg don't understand this.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 27, 2005 10:00 AM (xauGB)
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Robin,
Read this, stupid! No trespassing involved, just a fascist government, you Nazi.
OREGON TEACHERS KICKED OUT OF BUSH SPEECH FOR SHIRTS SAYING “PROTECT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES
Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and escorted from the event after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties."
http://monsterp.blogs.com/monster_blog/2004/10/civil_liberties.html
"Protect Our Civil Liberties". Oh my God. What nerve! Sounds like terrorism to me!
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 10:18 AM (/+dAV)
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They misrepresent themselves (lie) to get tickets to Bush rally. The plan is to disrupt free speech (the campaign rally by the President) or get favorable press from their liberal pals in the media when they are asked to leave.
Greg, we are wise to this shit and it just doesnÂ’t fly with most of America anymore.
Posted by: Brad at May 27, 2005 10:33 AM (pO1tP)
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Robin,
And read this:
A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to a July 4 presidential appearance filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.
http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php/t-19144.html
There is no trespassing involved. Nazi Ho!
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 10:35 AM (/+dAV)
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" The plan is to disrupt free speech"-Brad
Brad,
How does wearing a T-shirt disrupt free speech? Are you hearing yourself? You're advocating a totalitarian society.
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 10:39 AM (/+dAV)
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greg
It is interesting that you start your litany of truth-telling about protesters under the Bush administration. I bet you know that this started even before he took his first oath of office. It's not new, and neither is your partisan view of, well, everything.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 27, 2005 10:47 AM (jPCiN)
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We tolerate you, Greg. And at our peril, too.
Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 10:47 AM (fl6E1)
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"....and neither is your partisan view of, well, everything."
Back atcha.
Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 10:49 AM (fl6E1)
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Greg,
The tickets are obviously issued to people who represent themselves as supporters of the President.
These people and their tactics are well known. Once they gain entrance to the event, they scream slogans over and over denying the speaker and the people who came the chance to hear the message. Or, they are asked to leave. Either way, itÂ’s a public relations win for them because they are given a free pass by the MSM to pull these tactics.
If someone shows up at my son’s birthday party with a T-shirt that says, “MARK IS A TURD,” they would be asked to leave.
Posted by: Brad at May 27, 2005 10:55 AM (pO1tP)
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Oyster
Show me my partisan viewpoints, and I may concede your point.
Posted by: Defense Guy at May 27, 2005 11:01 AM (jPCiN)
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"If someone shows up at my son’s birthday party with a T-shirt that says, “MARK IS A TURD,” they would be asked to leave."-Brad
Brad,,
How is a T-shirt bearing the woords, "Protect Our Civil Liberties" disruptive?
How is a T--shirt bearing the word Bush with a cicle around it and a line striking through the word "bush"disruptive.
You all can argue until youu turn blue but you;'re just advocating fascism. Please stop ruining our country..
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 11:09 AM (/+dAV)
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Fascism invented the tactic of disrupting other party's political rallies.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 27, 2005 04:25 PM (xauGB)
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Whatever Robin.
Everytime you open your pathetic little mouth you lose more credibility.
Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 04:30 PM (/+dAV)
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Nah, fascists just made it famous. Ever since 1917, the start of 'Finnish democracy', parties have been sending their biggest loudmouths to make loud comments and difficult questions, as well as just to get drunk and mess 'em up, to each others speeches and meetings. The loud comments and difficult questions are actually a good thing in finding out how witty the politicians answering actually are, and dumb people can't get in charge (unless they do great with the drunken disturbers, then they make good army leaders). Might do some good to your system too.
Posted by: A Finn at May 28, 2005 03:32 PM (lGolT)
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Islam is a trouble in India too, we are planning to stop the jihadi supply line , by genociding the muslims here.
Posted by: Jagjit at June 13, 2005 08:28 AM (ANiCZ)
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You better get this in your thick head because Muhammad (PBUH) did so not marry Aisha(RA)at the age of six he got engaged to her, and he got married to her at the age of nine because she was a fully grown mature woman. (she had reached puberty).
By the way he did NOT rape her. SHE was his wife, but at the age of nine she was still at her fathers house.
i think u should get ur facts checked before you start being racist.
If u think dat islam is not the true religion then i think you should tell me dat hw cum the quran is the only book that hasnt been changed from the day it was revaeled till now. Atleast our book is originally from the angel unlike yours people wrote it themselves.
if u think the bible is right then tell me how come saint paul has written in one of his letters dat "religious law is a curse and jesus christ came to relieve us from that curse." but in the old testament the religious law is that u shouldnt steal, forcinate, shouldnt give trouble to ur neighbour, shouldnt disobey parents,etc.
but wen the entire religious law is a curse, it will also be a curse to obey these injunctions as these injunctions are also the part of the religious law and the very core of it. If what Saint Paul said is correct then Christians should also steal, forcinate and commit other such sins.
Isn't that kind of weird. In one place it says something and in a different it denies it.
DO YOU CALL THAT A TRUE RELIGION???
Posted by: SAHARA YUSUF at July 23, 2005 02:20 PM (25YDP)
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