1 I cannot get the video to work, however I do not doubt that you heard Allah Ahkbar in the last three seconds Rusty. In fact, I would assume this was the case. Not only are the Chechen terrorists of course Muslim, but their Middle Eastern (read Al Qaida most likely) counterparts are of course Muslim.

2 you need to install an active x control on IE to get it to work. I watched it and have a few comments: 1) it doesn't look anything close to 1000 people in that gym; 2) why are they still wearing masks? It was clearly a suicide mission and their identity would eventually be known thru body parts; 3) I really couldn't make out allah ahkbar, and that last piece of audio seemed a different quality. 4) While its certainly possible and even likely that arab islamists were involved, its also in the Russian governments interests to have them involved. Take any audio on the tape with a grain of salt.

3 Rusty, Something tells me I'm going to be dragging this poem out for many years to come: Are there no words for this, no words to frame This horror? What words would give clarity? What words could possibly work to bring shame To those whose language defines charity As bullets in the backs of young children; As knives through the necks of unbelievers; As human bombs blown to bloody ribbon (Crimson ticker tape for gibbering reavers)? There are no words to speak this in fullness. Logic fights with mercy, mercy cowers From anger, and anger tethers darkness, While all my language the darkness devours. O God, I have no words, my mouth is shut, And butchers bleed my tongue with each new cut. Cameron Wood

4 Mike, I agree. It doesn't look like 1,000 people in the gym, however according to reports they had hostages scattered throughout the building. I also tried the Active X thing to no avail, however I found a Real Player link that I forwarded to Rusty.

5 Link is up, thanks Chad. Let's check back in a few days as sometimes the BBC takes down their videos after awhile. This might be good for the archive.

6 ".. When a group of Muslims from nearby villages offered themselves as hostages in exchange for the students, officials discouraged them from coming to Beslan for fear of stirring violence. ."

7 Video still doesn't work. Also they had Muslim clerics who were willing to go talk to them. But you have to understand something here; there was to be no talking and no hostage was to be left alive. They were there to kill and terrorize and they almost did it all. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I disagree that a Muslim is forbidden to deliberately kill women and children. Woman are ants to them, to crush under their feet and children? well, they can always make more. They made several mistakes and that is how half of them survived. 210 victims are still unidentified due to burns and some may never be identified; they just don't have the capability there for DNA testing. I hope Putin allows people in to help. These suicide terrorists killers were there for one purpose and one purpose only - to terrorize and then kill every person in that school. Like Georgy above, when one of them made a mistake, like a comedy of errors, he ran like hell and hid himself in a cabinet where he stayed until Russian soldiers found him and that is the only reason why he is alive today. Islam is a religion that really needs to either go away completely or revised so no one can use it as an excuse to kill. ~C

8 Clash of civilizations...

9 you can find the video at: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/article.jhtml?articleID=197365

10 This is the rebirth of Hitler

11 for one thing i have a a 23 month old and for that person to kill a baby is wrong fucking punk ass bitch.i hope die and fucking burn in hell for what you done to that little baby then making teens have sex with you. they need to cut your dick off and shove it down your pie hole killing kids is not right and for you to do that i hope you die drown your ass in hot water.then cut your balls off and place them in a jar what if some one killed your kids then what you will die for what you did to all the people you hurt

12 As you are reading this, there are 14 major conflicts taking place on the globe. Of those 14, on at least one side of each are Muslims, or "practitioners of the religion of peace." As far as I'm concerned, the only truth stretching GWB has committed thus far was his proclamation of Islam as a "religion of peace, case closed." Sure, there are some kooky things in the Bible, but I don't see radical Christian fundamentalists running out to kill indiscriminately as a result of whatever it might be that they believe. Minus an abortion doctor here or there, it just isn't happening in the name of Christianity. That tells me something. I guess you're smart enough to do the math. Some would cite Timothy McVeigh as an example of Christian terrorism because of his role in the Oklahoma City bombing. This is misguided since McVeigh never purported himself to be a "freedom fighter" for God or anything of the sort. As a matter of fact, he defiantly purported himself to be a "freedom fighter" against what he perceived to be a government operating outside the bounds of the Constitution. Maybe he was correct about the government, but he was an evil, murderous scab of a human being none-the-less. There's quite a profound difference between the above mentioned varieties of "freedom fighters." McVeigh was interviewed by Lou Michel, co-author of the book "American Terrorist." Michel talked about it with CNN in a story posted on April 1, 2001. The following is an excerpt: QUESTION: Does McVeigh have any spiritual-religious beliefs? LOU MICHEL: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, "What if there is a heaven and hell?” He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon -- "adapt, improvise, and overcome.” Death to him is all part of the adventure. ## So much for the blue-eyed white-devil Christian terrorist theory we repeatedly hear used as a means of convincing us that there is no pattern within the terrorist genre. The most troubling thing is that Muslims in the United States seem rather silent when atrocities occur by the hand of Islamic extremists, such as the Russian school massacre or bus bombings in Israel. Following the slow, agonizing decapitation of Nick Berg using what might as well have been a plastic butter knife, I heard nothing from American Muslim groups on any major media outlet in the United States. When an alleged terrorist cell was busted in Buffalo, NY, I saw no prominent American Muslims on TV discussing their satisfaction amid the arrest of a group of possible criminals. We instead heard accusations of religious hatred on the part of GWB and John Ashcroft. We are likely entering WW4 (the third world war having been the Cold War), and the citizens of the United States have a nasty history in the course of such conflicts. In WW2, as you likely are quite aware, a frustrated American public perceived the Japanese American community to be less than enthusiastic toward the endeavor the nation was about to embark upon against Japan. Furthermore, there were numerous examples of Japanese Americans who were actively working to undermine the efforts of the US government against Japan. Anxiety lead to action, and so it was that on February 19, 1942, President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, which resulted in the forcible internment of 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry. What a disgrace… but a necessary disgrace. If you're a Muslim living in America, and you're reading this, please try to understand history and the lessons it teaches. Please don't serve as an impediment to this just and necessary pursuit of your country, for history has a tendency to repeat, and sadly, it seems that the wheels of repetition might already have begun to irreversibly turn. Mike Walker tombrokenjaw@kmeat.net www.kmeat.net

13 nobody ever mentioned the name of the school

14 Necessary Disgrace? Sounds like Hitler. Human Dignity and true freedom are whats worth fighting for, not racists and their governments... True freedom heads don't fall for the okiedoke dummy!

15 Sounds like Hitler? Very in-depth commentary on your part (sarcasm). You read my entire post, and just like some slow-witted talk-radio caller, you chose to zero in on only one facet of what I've said, rather than ingesting the whole of what's been laid out. You're incapable of reacting to anything other than a sliver of text that's caught your narrow spectrum of attention. Hitler was FAR from declaring a disgrace the internment of anybody short of a blond-haired blue-eyed kraut here or there, let alone a Japanese American or Jew, for that matter... despite any hollow alliances between Germany and Japan. If a nation is at war in the midst of the single most important conflict in the history of human kind, you boil the whole of the internment of Japanese Americans in the course of that conflict's pursuits as having been "racist"? That's all? You're a short-sighted cliche who lacks the ability to employ forward-thinking, and if you'd allow me to be as inarticulate as yourself, you're also a douche-bag.

16 If u have seen wat the Russian army has done to the Chechen children, u will say this is nothing. I do agree that they should not have taken hostages, children on top of that. Islam DOES say that u are not allowed to kill women, children, old people, and anyone who is not fighting against u. The Chechens have been in this war against Russia for a long time now, and i dont think the people who did this could think straight anymore or hope for peace from all the things they have seen. Chechens are peaceful people if u are peaceful with them. And Islam is a peaceful religion, it's jus that some people misinterupt it.

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