September 28, 2004
Chechens Held in Murder of Forbes Editor
JQuinton has the story. My thoughts on this are mixed. It's been awhile since I lived in Russia, but there was a pretty consistent theme among the population when I was there:
blame the Chechens. And I don't mean blame them for all acts of terrorism, which is probably a pretty fair assumption to make in Russia, but I mean blame them for everything. It was pretty much agreed upon by everyone I talked to that Chechens were responsible for much of the criminal enterprises in the Moscow region. Another thought is that the Moscow police aren't the most professional organization in the world and don't hesitate to beat confessions out of prisoners--especially prisoners who have, shall we say, 'darker skin'? I'm not going to say I'm skeptical about the arrests--rather, we'll call it a healthy neutrality until all the facts come to light.
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One of the reasons I stayed up all those hours and guest blogged about Beslan School in Russia blaming the Checken TERRORISTS along with their counterparts, Al Qaida Arab TERRORISTS is because of the horrible terror and death they caused in Beslan. The Checks are also Muslims and are part of the Al Qaida group and they are indeed TERRORISTS, not separatists, not rebels, not anything else except plain old TERRORISTS. They way they kill Russian soldiers is no different than the beheadings the terrorists in Iraq do it. They are one and the same. Same religion, same beliefs, same terrorsits. They would like to blame Russia for all their problems but their problems are ones of their own making and the terrorism is no different. They are the problem, not the Russians. Funny how the terrorists would like to blame anyone but themselves. The Arabs in Darfur are also Muslims - maybe darker skin, too, but they are wiping out blacks. I don't care what country they are from but they are destroying every country they are in, destroying the lives of those in that country, making life unbearable for all; deaths are considered "collateral damage." What we and all countries throughout the world should stick together should stand side by side doing everything in our power to stop them from any more killing anywhere. That's what the war on terrorism is all about.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 28, 2004 09:31 PM (D39Vm)
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I had a Muscovite roommate in 1995 who had pretty much unalloyed contempt for the Chechens, assuming (as you say) that there were behind most of the organized crime in the Moscow area. He was 16 years old, so it's not like he had a lot of time invested in building prejudices. I think he just soaked it up like a sponge.
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September 24, 2004
Media should be allies in war on terror says Putin
Amen, and pass the ammunition!!
AP:
President Vladimir Putin urged journalists Friday to use their work to advance the battle against terrorism, saying the media should not just be passive observers in the face of threats by militants.
"It is obvious that the struggle against terrorism cannot be an excuse to infringe upon the freedom and independence of the press," Putin told an international media conference organized by Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency.
"But you yourselves, as professionals, should develop a model of work that would allow media to become an effective instrument in the struggle against terror, which would exclude any, even involuntary, form of assistance to terrorists' goals."
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Hard for them to do since most of them have already signed up with the enemy.
Posted by: Laughing Wolf at September 24, 2004 02:57 PM (k3fvZ)
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But he's absolutely right.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 02:17 AM (D39Vm)
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Glad to see we're all gradually accepting every one of the tenets of fascism.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at September 25, 2004 01:51 PM (NJzm6)
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Glad to see that you don't mind the media spreading the kind of propaganda that reinforces the world-view of terrorists so that they can stomache putting a knife to the throat of a hostage and cut off their heads. America during WWII has overt-real-government-controlled-censorship. Unless you think America was 'fascist', or that only 'fascists' censor their presses in times of war. Putin only suggested the media ought to be on the side of the good guys in the war on terror.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford, owner of this blog at September 25, 2004 04:03 PM (JQjhA)
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I don't think showing the videos has anything to do with the media. They are not playing them, we ae, and for good reason: for everyone to see what vile, monstrous, dastardly deeds these terrorists do for kicks.
I don't know what fascism is and don't care but Putin is right. It pisses me off to no end when I see a journalist embedded with the terrorists showing the world what it's like to be on the inside, I'd like to slap them silly. If there was anything I could do about that, I would end that, I would. The terrorists are the bad guys and they should not be covering the bad guys but the good guys and showing what is happening to those on the good side or they should just leave the damn country. I'd fine every one of them plus if they were an employee of mine, I'd fire them on the spot. There is only one side in this war 0 and that's the GOOD SIDE.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 25, 2004 11:01 PM (D39Vm)
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Hey all you Americans – You have more filth in your own country than the whole remainder of planet earth.
Try cleaning up your own place before dictating to the rest.
How many murders do you have in the USA every day. In most other countries it makes the headlines when someone is murdered as itÂ’s not the norm. Not yours, itÂ’s so common it doesnÂ’t even get a mention. Think about the mass murderers youÂ’ve had alone, they are way too numerous to mention. Your court rooms are clogged with the scum. No one deserves to have there head sliced off, but be real everyone what do you expect when you turn up in a country who now hates you so much, and why? Let me see could it be because you murdered their men, women & children, destroyed their land & homes?
Your military has raped & tortured, you hold many of their people in prisons, guilty only by association.
You are all outraged with these gruesome beheadings, as are the rest of us. But are you any better – what’s this Electric Chair thingy?
ThatÂ’s pretty Barbaric donÂ’t you think?
We all know there was no weapons of mass destruction. Oh but there was OIL, Oh the OIL.
Posted by: Graham Wells at September 26, 2004 04:51 PM (u/TP3)
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Memo To Graham Wells:
uh, that would be Saddam who raped, murdered,destroyed and gased his own people, not america. As far as the electric chair, I'd take that any day over a beheading. At least we give our criminals the right to a trial, including Saddam.
by the way, which country do you live in? It must be a freikin utopia.
Posted by: Todd at September 28, 2004 03:49 AM (ZrT7t)
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One more thing Mr. Wells, we all know there is oil but you don't drive a car, right?
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September 22, 2004
Following the Chechen Terrorist's Money Trail
The good news is that post-9/11 measures have decreased the flow of money--especially out of the Gulf States--the bad news is that terrorists don't need a lot of money for operations.
Moscow Times:
Wealthy Chechen businessmen and Islamic and pro-Chechen charities in the Persian Gulf, Jordan, Turkey, Europe and the United States once accounted for most of the hundreds of millions of dollars in fundraising. It was mostly done through a far-flung Chechen diaspora and Islamic charities often using murky and secret transactions that are difficult to track.
Now the money is smuggled into Chechnya largely by private businessmen traveling through Azerbaijan, the Chechen activists and experts said.
The largest contributions are believed to still be from the gulf, with smaller amounts moving through Turkey, Europe, Islamic states and even North America.
Earlier this month, the U.S. Treasury Department accused an American arm of a Saudi charity, the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, of links to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. The department alleged the charity tried to conceal funds intended for Chechnya by omitting them from tax returns and mischaracterizing their use.
The Treasury Department also said there were allegations that donations made to Al-Haramain for Chechen refugees were diverted to rebels and Chechen leaders affiliated with al-Qaida.
"Finances have been flowing into Chechnya in support of both the global jihad and the separatist movement," said Molly Millerwise, a spokeswoman at the Treasury Department.
Aid groups insist the money they collect is for refugees and infrastructure in Chechnya, but Chechens and terrorism financing experts say at least part of the funds is diverted to fighters.
"Money for refugees, it never existed," Nasho said. "The money went to the fighters."
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September 17, 2004
Chechen Warlard Claims Responsibility for Beslan Massacre
Screw the Chechens, they do not deserve a state.
ABC News:
Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility on Friday for the Russian school siege in which more than 320 hostages were killed, half of them children, and threatened further attacks by any means he saw fit.
HT
Pimp Daddy Neocon Joker for the e-mail.
Also on the scene to report terrorist scumbags: Treacherous Quinton Dogg
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September 15, 2004
Russia Update
The first indictment in relation to the Beslan school massacre has been filed against Nurpasha Kulaev, a Chechen national, on at least nine charges,
Pravda reports. Pravda also reports that authorities have recovered the bodies of at least 30 terrorists.
Ten terrorists, so far, have been identified by nationality. One hundred and twenty-two former hostages are still hospitalized. Fifty adults and 25 children are listed in critical condition. Elsewhere, Chechens downed a
Mi-24 helicopter on Monday, killing two crew members. In news that is probably somehow tangentially related to Kitty Kelley,
Pravda also warns of UFO clouds abducting humans.
CNN is reporting that it was a 'bribe' that got the two female Chechen suicide bombers on board a flight they later managed to blow up. The names of the two suspected terrorists are Aminat Nagayeva and Satsia Dzhebirkhanova. No word if that was cash or Visa.
Two illegally scalped tickets, including airline bribe: $69-$100.
The chance to blow up a plane full of infidels: priceless.
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On the day of the siege, a female suicide bomber blew up a subway in Moscow; she was the sister of one of the suicide bombers on the plane. Also that day, two female Checkens got on another plane in Russia and the pilot refused to fly the plane until they were removed. I'm tired today but I do not know what happened to them after that. Women have been suicide bombers before - in Israel, in Iraq - the first one we ever heard of was a pregnant women back in the early days of the war. I doubt anyone can be bribed into doing this sort of thing. Guess they wanted to go to Paradise with 1000 virgins, too.
~C
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I want to thank you again for your kindness in your reply to me about that.
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September 09, 2004
10 Year Old Hostage Survivor Tells Story
Georgy Farniyev, pictured below next to a terrorist who stands on a pressure device hooked to a bomb set to go off if he removes his foot, tells his story of what happened in Beslan. Story in extended entry.
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I asked about this boy and got an answer from another reader on Logic and Sanity. Smart Kid, courageous kid, too. God protected him that day.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 10, 2004 12:56 PM (D39Vm)
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Russia Identifies Beslan Hostage Takers
Ten of the terrorists who committed mass-murder in Beslan have been identified by Russian security forces.
AP:
Six came from Chechnya, where insurgents have been battling Kremlin forces for five years. The other four came from Ingushetia, a republic neighboring Chechnya that saw brazen coordinated attacks against police in June. Other reports suggest that at least nine more are Arabs.
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They were all Muslims and part of the Al Qaeda plot. Construction was done over the summer at that school and these barbarian terrorists hid stuff in ceilings and floors. Russians also found more hidden stuff in a theatre being remodeled just the other day.
(LogicandSanity.com)
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 10, 2004 12:59 PM (D39Vm)
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Former Beauty Queen Marries Man She Tried to Kill
You can't make this stuff up. Really. The funny part? He gaver her the money that she used to take the contract out on him. Apparently it was too little. Mosnews:
A 23-year-old former Miss Moscow contestant has avoided a prison sentence for ordering a contract hit by marrying her intended victim...
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That first home cooked meal will be a pisser!
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at September 09, 2004 02:09 PM (7XPVo)
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It's pure impudence: hiring lawyers to defends this ungrateful black widow.
I'm awaiting your imputent follow up post with pure impudentation. It'll be entitled "Ex-Beauty Queen Not Satisfied With $15 Million Dollar Diamond Wedding Ring"
Posted by: Digger at September 09, 2004 02:28 PM (FYEx6)
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Ha!! I'm actually trying to find pics of her. I mean, she's not that hot, is she?
Posted by: RS at September 09, 2004 02:44 PM (JQjhA)
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My, how times have changed. Back in the mid-90's that hit would have cost her $500. Jeez, inflation's everywhere, huh?
Posted by: Tim Worstall at September 10, 2004 04:10 AM (czhuR)
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September 08, 2004
Russia's New Foreign Policy: Preemptive Attacks
The Bush-Rumsfield Neocon cabal has obviously infiltrated Russia to the highest levels. Like I've been saying since 9/11, this is a civilizational war. The events in Beslan have clarified things for the Russians. 9/11 was not a declaration of war, it simply woke us up from our slumbering false insecurity. War had been declared on us years before.
Yahoo News:
Russia is prepared to make pre-emptive strikes on "terrorist bases" anywhere in the world, the Interfax news agency cited the country's chief of staff as saying.
"With regard to preventive strikes on terrorist bases, we will take any action to eliminate terrorist bases in any region of the world. But this does not mean we will carry out nuclear strikes," General Yuri Baluyevsky said Wednesday.
Baluyevsky added that Russia's choice of action "will be determined by the concrete situation where ever it may be in the world.
"Military action is the last resort in the fight agaisnt terrorism."
Hat tip:
Prof. Chaos who e-mailed me about this.
For an abbreviated history of recent events in Chechnya, see McQ's A short primer on Chechnya
UPDATE: Chechens respond (via Jeff Quinton):
A London-based Chechen rebel representative said Wednesday that Russia's threats to attack terrorists around the world amount to a warning to European countries that Russian forces could carry out assassinations on their soil.
Akhmed Zakayev, an envoy for rebel leader and former Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov, said such a strike by Russian forces would create a dangerous precedent.
"It is a warning to other European countries that Russia may come and carry out an assassination on your soil at any moment," he said....
[...]"It is a very disturbing signal they are sending for all civilized countries," Zakayev said. He added that it's especially worrying for Chechens who speak freely about their dissatisfaction with Russian President Vladimir Putin's policies.
"To Putin, that makes them international terrorists," he said.
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"Military action is the last resort in the fight agaisnt terrorism."
They still don't get it.
Posted by: Dylan at September 08, 2004 02:28 PM (MspMJ)
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But I would agree with that, military action is always the last resort. The question is not whether or not it is a last resort, but if further talking diplomacy is fruitful. If not, then military action is justified because no further options exist.
Posted by: RS at September 08, 2004 02:39 PM (JQjhA)
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With these people, there are no such things as options, nor is there any such thing as diplomacy. When they do something, they do it to kill and to kill as many as possible. They would have killed every person in Beslan if it hadn't been for their own mistakes.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 10, 2004 01:18 PM (D39Vm)
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And, it's a GLOBAL war....these so-called checken rebels, separatists, whatever they have been called, are radical islamists in bed with Osama Bin Laden and thus, no different from him ie terrorists. Terrorism is a global, international, problem that needs to be addressed by every person, every nation, to end it.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 15, 2004 04:26 PM (D39Vm)
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I hope Russia show all of us how is done.
In the past, terrorist congregated in the holy places to regroup. Great targets.
Posted by: SMM at October 19, 2004 08:56 AM (fo7U0)
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Russia Offers $10 Million for Chechen Rebels
Now you're talking baby. Carrot and stick, carrot and stick. Anyone know what they mean by
neutralization?
Channel News AsiaRussia put a 10-million-dollar price tag on the heads of two Chechen rebel leaders accused of masterminding the hostage-taking which ended in a bloodbath at a Beslan school.
The FSB security service, in a statement quoted by Interfax news agency, said Wednesday that it would pay 300 million rubles "for reliable information on their whereabouts leading to the neutralization" of former Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov and of warlord Shamil Basayev.
It said the two were responsible for "inhuman" acts of terrorism carried out in Russia.
Jeff Quinton also on the case, of course.
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I'd give anything for Russia to "neutralize them" and we know what that means!
~C
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September 07, 2004
Russian School Hostage Video
For latest news, information, images, and links to other hostage videos please go to
MAIN PAGE HERE.
UPDATE: 9/13 Video here. (in German)
Chad over at In the Bullpen alerted me to the fact that the Chechen terrorists made a video tape of themselves while they were busy massacring children. The Chechen terrorists in Beslan, North Ossetia seem to be following the lead of the Chechens who held a Moscow theater hostage last year--they also shot a video. Chad noticed Yahoo News was running some vidcaps from the terrorist's video. I did some checking around and found these posted at NTV.RU. None are too graphic. NTV is the station that has a copy of the tape, but they have not posted the video and I presume the whole thing is much too graphic to air on Russian television (which is saying a lot). The pics are in the extended entry below. The NTV video can be viewed here, it's not very graphic and it's narrated in Russian.
UPDATE: On closer inspection the last few seconds of the video are disturbing. Vidcap #3 below is taken from a shot where you hear a voice in the background. The voice is talking to someone on a cell-phone. He is not speaking Russian. He is either speaking Turkic or Arabic, but he distinctly can be heard speaking the Arabic phrase "Allahu-Akhbar". The next scene is disturbing if brief. The camera looks down at blood on the ground and pans past what look to be the legs and arms of dead children. You cannot see their full bodies, just a brief glimpse as the camera pans past to focus on the blood. Horrible.
Update II: Allah also has some of the same images as does Charles Johnson, and of course Chad Evans where I first got tipped of this. Petrified Truth also has some links to NTV. Jay Tea at Wizbang ponders the question: what next? Captain Ed on the horror's that the media don't want you to see.
Update III: More pics found. Also below.
Update IV: Via Dale Franks and Chad Evans this news:
While despairing soldiers and rescue workers moved among the growing pile of body bags, it was revealed that an 18-month-old baby had been repeatedly stabbed by a black-clad terrorist who had run out of ammunition.
Other survivors told how screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits
UPDATE V: More pics below.
UPDATE VI: Via Michael J. Totten at Suicide Girls this Telegraph piece:
An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.
Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule....
"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.
UPDATE VII: Click here for the BBC version of the video. Very close to original.
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I cannot get the video to work, however I do not doubt that you heard Allah Ahkbar in the last three seconds Rusty. In fact, I would assume this was the case. Not only are the Chechen terrorists of course Muslim, but their Middle Eastern (read Al Qaida most likely) counterparts are of course Muslim.
Posted by: Chad Evans at September 07, 2004 03:55 PM (MT9+l)
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you need to install an active x control on IE to get it to work.
I watched it and have a few comments:
1) it doesn't look anything close to 1000 people in that gym;
2) why are they still wearing masks? It was clearly a suicide mission and their identity would eventually be known thru body parts;
3) I really couldn't make out allah ahkbar, and that last piece of audio seemed a different quality.
4) While its certainly possible and even likely that arab islamists were involved, its also in the Russian governments interests to have them involved. Take any audio on the tape with a grain of salt.
Posted by: mike at September 07, 2004 05:06 PM (nX0KO)
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Rusty,
Something tells me I'm going to be dragging this poem out for many years to come:
Are there no words for this, no words to frame
This horror? What words would give clarity?
What words could possibly work to bring shame
To those whose language defines charity
As bullets in the backs of young children;
As knives through the necks of unbelievers;
As human bombs blown to bloody ribbon
(Crimson ticker tape for gibbering reavers)?
There are no words to speak this in fullness.
Logic fights with mercy, mercy cowers
From anger, and anger tethers darkness,
While all my language the darkness devours.
O God, I have no words, my mouth is shut,
And butchers bleed my tongue with each new cut.
Cameron Wood
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Mike,
I agree. It doesn't look like 1,000 people in the gym, however according to reports they had hostages scattered throughout the building. I also tried the Active X thing to no avail, however I found a Real Player link that I forwarded to Rusty.
Posted by: Chad Evans at September 07, 2004 07:33 PM (Fi3E1)
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Link is up, thanks Chad. Let's check back in a few days as sometimes the BBC takes down their videos after awhile. This might be good for the archive.
Posted by: RS at September 07, 2004 08:25 PM (JQjhA)
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".. When a group of Muslims from nearby villages offered themselves as hostages in exchange for the students, officials discouraged them from coming to Beslan for fear of stirring violence. ."
Posted by: Idontdowindows2 at September 08, 2004 03:09 PM (XxQKw)
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Video still doesn't work. Also they had Muslim clerics who were willing to go talk to them. But you have to understand something here; there was to be no talking and no hostage was to be left alive. They were there to kill and terrorize and they almost did it all. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I disagree that a Muslim is forbidden to deliberately kill women and children. Woman are ants to them, to crush under their feet and children? well, they can always make more. They made several mistakes and that is how half of them survived. 210 victims are still unidentified due to burns and some may never be identified; they just don't have the capability there for DNA testing. I hope Putin allows people in to help. These suicide terrorists killers were there for one purpose and one purpose only - to terrorize and then kill every person in that school. Like Georgy above, when one of them made a mistake, like a comedy of errors, he ran like hell and hid himself in a cabinet where he stayed until Russian soldiers found him and that is the only reason why he is alive today. Islam is a religion that really needs to either go away completely or revised so no one can use it as an excuse to kill.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 10, 2004 01:43 PM (D39Vm)
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Clash of civilizations...
Posted by: Donkey at September 11, 2004 05:17 PM (CIAbG)
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you can find the video at:
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/article.jhtml?articleID=197365
Posted by: rogerio at September 12, 2004 05:25 PM (BkwWp)
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This is the rebirth of Hitler
Posted by: Molly at September 17, 2004 03:17 PM (K5YEd)
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for one thing i have a a 23 month old and for that person to kill a baby is wrong fucking punk ass bitch.i hope die and fucking burn in hell for what you done to that little baby then making teens have sex with you. they need to cut your dick off and shove it down your pie hole killing kids is not right and for you to do that i hope you die drown your ass in hot water.then cut your balls off and place them in a jar what if some one killed your kids then what you will die for what you did to all the people you hurt
Posted by: chablis at October 13, 2004 07:55 AM (G0l/A)
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As you are reading this, there are 14 major conflicts taking place on the globe. Of those 14, on at least one side of each are Muslims, or "practitioners of the religion of peace." As far as I'm concerned, the only truth stretching GWB has committed thus far was his proclamation of Islam as a "religion of peace, case closed." Sure, there are some kooky things in the Bible, but I don't see radical Christian fundamentalists running out to kill indiscriminately as a result of whatever it might be that they believe. Minus an abortion doctor here or there, it just isn't happening in the name of Christianity. That tells me something. I guess you're smart enough to do the math.
Some would cite Timothy McVeigh as an example of Christian terrorism because of his role in the Oklahoma City bombing. This is misguided since McVeigh never purported himself to be a "freedom fighter" for God or anything of the sort. As a matter of fact, he defiantly purported himself to be a "freedom fighter" against what he perceived to be a government operating outside the bounds of the Constitution. Maybe he was correct about the government, but he was an evil, murderous scab of a human being none-the-less. There's quite a profound difference between the above mentioned varieties of "freedom fighters." McVeigh was interviewed by Lou Michel, co-author of the book "American Terrorist." Michel talked about it with CNN in a story posted on April 1, 2001. The following is an excerpt:
QUESTION: Does McVeigh have any spiritual-religious beliefs?
LOU MICHEL: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, "What if there is a heaven and hell?” He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon -- "adapt, improvise, and overcome.” Death to him is all part of the adventure. ##
So much for the blue-eyed white-devil Christian terrorist theory we repeatedly hear used as a means of convincing us that there is no pattern within the terrorist genre.
The most troubling thing is that Muslims in the United States seem rather silent when atrocities occur by the hand of Islamic extremists, such as the Russian school massacre or bus bombings in Israel. Following the slow, agonizing decapitation of Nick Berg using what might as well have been a plastic butter knife, I heard nothing from American Muslim groups on any major media outlet in the United States. When an alleged terrorist cell was busted in Buffalo, NY, I saw no prominent American Muslims on TV discussing their satisfaction amid the arrest of a group of possible criminals. We instead heard accusations of religious hatred on the part of GWB and John Ashcroft.
We are likely entering WW4 (the third world war having been the Cold War), and the citizens of the United States have a nasty history in the course of such conflicts. In WW2, as you likely are quite aware, a frustrated American public perceived the Japanese American community to be less than enthusiastic toward the endeavor the nation was about to embark upon against Japan. Furthermore, there were numerous examples of Japanese Americans who were actively working to undermine the efforts of the US government against Japan. Anxiety lead to action, and so it was that on February 19, 1942, President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, which resulted in the forcible internment of 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry. What a disgraceÂ… but a necessary disgrace.
If you're a Muslim living in America, and you're reading this, please try to understand history and the lessons it teaches. Please don't serve as an impediment to this just and necessary pursuit of your country, for history has a tendency to repeat, and sadly, it seems that the wheels of repetition might already have begun to irreversibly turn.
Mike Walker
tombrokenjaw@kmeat.net
www.kmeat.net
Posted by: Mike Walker at October 19, 2004 11:35 PM (6PNIi)
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nobody ever mentioned the name of the school
Posted by: kenalona at November 01, 2004 06:16 PM (gQca7)
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Necessary Disgrace? Sounds like Hitler. Human Dignity and true freedom are whats worth fighting for, not racists and their governments... True freedom heads don't fall for the okiedoke dummy!
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Sounds like Hitler? Very in-depth commentary on your part (sarcasm). You read my entire post, and just like some slow-witted talk-radio caller, you chose to zero in on only one facet of what I've said, rather than ingesting the whole of what's been laid out. You're incapable of reacting to anything other than a sliver of text that's caught your narrow spectrum of attention. Hitler was FAR from declaring a disgrace the internment of anybody short of a blond-haired blue-eyed kraut here or there, let alone a Japanese American or Jew, for that matter... despite any hollow alliances between Germany and Japan. If a nation is at war in the midst of the single most important conflict in the history of human kind, you boil the whole of the internment of Japanese Americans in the course of that conflict's pursuits as having been "racist"? That's all? You're a short-sighted cliche who lacks the ability to employ forward-thinking, and if you'd allow me to be as inarticulate as yourself, you're also a douche-bag.
Posted by: Mike Walker at April 16, 2005 03:42 PM (PAUNZ)
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If u have seen wat the Russian army has done to the Chechen children, u will say this is nothing. I do agree that they should not have taken hostages, children on top of that. Islam DOES say that u are not allowed to kill women, children, old people, and anyone who is not fighting against u. The Chechens have been in this war against Russia for a long time now, and i dont think the people who did this could think straight anymore or hope for peace from all the things they have seen. Chechens are peaceful people if u are peaceful with them. And Islam is a peaceful religion, it's jus that some people misinterupt it.
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Posted by: sumit kumar at May 22, 2005 02:14 AM (TZ0X2)
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To my knowledge, the quran calls for the death of infidels, i.e. anyone who isn't islamic. Either I'm wrong on this or I'm not. All it takes is someone willing to pick up a copy of the quran at your local 7-11 or cheap motel lobby to establish this once and for all. There is no ambiguity.
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September 06, 2004
Chechnya and the Jihadi Connection
Dan Darling does a great job of supplying the background info necessary to understand the Chechen conflict. He also delves into the connections between the jihadists and the Chechen nationalists. They run deep. It is possible that Chechens have a legitimate bone to pick with their Russian masters and I don't find it hard to believe that the Russian military is guilty of war crimes in Chechnya. However, the Chechens have chosen our enemies as allies. They chose unwisely. Now is the time to back the Russians in their efforts to annhialate the jihadi movement in Chechnya and surrounding provinces. It will be an ugly campaign, but no uglier than the campaign that wiped National Socialism off the map.
The country [Chechnya] was taken over by a mixture of international terrorist organizations, Wahhabi theocrats, drug cartels, and other criminal organizations that subsided more or less on generous funding from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.
This funding helped the Wahhabis to finalize control over the institutional infrastructure of the de facto independent state and led for calls for the imposition of sha'riah even though most Chechens (and Caucasus Muslims in general) are Sufis. The al-Qaeda presence in Chechnya was headed up by bin Laden's protege Amir ibn al-Khattab, a Saudi national who had previously assisted Islamic fighters in the Tajik Civil War and the Armenia-Azerbaijan War over Nagorno-Karabakh.
There's more,
read the rest.
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This is what people are afraid of... sympathy for the Checkens. It's like the world saying the Russian soldiers stormed the school, which they did not.
I'm surprised you haven't listed Logic&Sanity and The Laughing Wolf with fatwa's. While Stan slept, I continued the watch and summed it up several times. They had no idea what they were dealing with there at the time. And the word for them is TERRORIST.
~C
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September 03, 2004
Bloody Shootout Ends Russian School Crisis
Horrible. Sickened. Update from
Stan who is translating original Russian sources: "ex hostages are saying that terrorists began killing hostages before the storm." Now we see why the Russians had to go in. Reuters:
Russian troops stormed a school Friday in a chaotic battle to free hundreds of parents, teachers and children who had been held hostage for two days by Chechen separatists.
Naked and screaming children ran for safety amid machinegun fire and explosions while attack helicopters clattered overhead. The Tass and Interfax news agencies spoke of over 300 wounded, mostly children. Rebels fled with soldiers in pursuit.
Witnesses at the scene in Beslan, in the North Ossetia region near Chechnya, saw several bodies on stretchers and Russian news agencies said at least seven people had been dead on arrival at hospital.
Half- or fully naked children gulped from bottles of water after two days without drink in a stiflingly hot and crowded school. Some lay on stretchers.
I wish it had not ended this way, but
Russia has now declared war on terrorists. All civilized countries that border Islamic lands are the front lines of this civilizational war. Once again, we find a situation where Russia will recieve the brunt of a war in which we are involved. The Russians call WWII the "Great Patriotic War". What will they call this one? I do not like the name Global War on Terror because it is innacurate. This is a war against a fascist ideology. One which seeks to impose Sharia law on free peoples. This war will not end with two allied armies meeting in some Middle Eastern capital. This is a war which will not end until moderate Muslims rise up and fight. It is not enough for them to live their lives. Now is the time for action, not words. To the Russian people who live on the front lines brace yourselves. This is only the beginning. God speed.
Jeff Quinton has been updating frequently and as always is the best resource for following the blogosphere reaction. Michelle Malkin and The Belmont Club, too. The Command Post and Allah are keeping up as well.
Stan at Logic and Sanity should be awake in a few and (he's back) has been liveblogging this for days. He speaks fluent Russian and is translating the news out of Russia.
The Laughing Wolf also speaks Russian and is taking up the slack for Stan. Very good resource.
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I had heard that the actual deaths were minimal and that Russian forces had smacked the tangos around pretty badly. I hope this is accurate. I will pray for them today.
Posted by: Brian B at September 03, 2004 09:28 AM (OnnW3)
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It's worse than you know, Rusty. There are at least another 100 dead bodies in the gym, some of them burned. Even as they try to put the fires out, someone is still shooting them and a few others are in a neighboring house. They knew of the few deaths and the 20 deaths of the men out in a hallway but now they've reached the gym were there are more than 100 bodies there. I remember reading they had a slew of psychologists there for the parents, but the kids are going to need it more. They didn't actually storm in, either. Between the Russians and the terrorists, it was agreed that an ambulance could go in and get the 20 dead bodies. When they did, bombs went off and then firing started. There are still two terrorists inside the school building at the moment making it difficult for them to get to the school's gym. This is very, very bad. I'm exhausted from just trying to stay up with what was going on, only for it to go so bad and it's probably been that bad since they took over the school. Still chaotic but getting better. This is sickening. Why the children?
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 03, 2004 09:48 AM (D39Vm)
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Crap. That's ugly. My heart breaks for the kids.
Posted by: Brian B at September 03, 2004 11:31 AM (OnnW3)
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Now that the day is over, I am still going to say that the Russians did not storm in. They left phones near the doors and a terrorist came out holding a kid and took the phones. They knew about the 20 deaths so it was suggested that an ambulance crew come in to remove the bodies. The terrorists agreed but no one knew it was a set up. When the ambulance arrived, bombs started to go off and kids, along with some adults, got scared and ran like hell out of there. As they were running, the terrorists started shooting the fleeing kids. The Russians then started shooting at the terrorists to protect the fleeing 400 people - kids. Then a bomb went off in the gym and the roof caved in and was on fire and over 100 people, mostly kids, were killed and burned by the fire while outside, parents, police, neighbors were trying to get in to help when bombs started going off, they were being shot at, rocket propelled and hand thrown grenades were being thrown at the people so they could not help anyone inside the school and to kill as many of the people outside that they could. It will be some time before the total count will be known. Right now they estimate 150 dead (mostly children), 450 hospitalized (mostly children), some critical, also mostly children.
They were Checkyn rebels with Arab Mercenaries. Rusty is right about the Islamic connection here. But what happened there today .... I can't even come up with a word for it. They killed children, they tried to kill more children. They destroyed families and neighborhoods. There was no way these people were going to negotiate anything. And people died long before anyone knew people died at all thinking they were just hostages. There were traps all over the school property and inside that the rebel/terrorist could set off from the inside any time they wanted and they did just that. It was smart to put a slew of psychologists there for the parents because they are going to need them and so will any of the surviving children or traumatized adults.
Like all terrorists, this was an act of such evil that it is uncomprehendable. Right now and tomorrow, the police and Russian forces will try to safely remove any bombs left over (land mines, et al) and bring the bodies out. It will be a long, hard search and an agonizing time for all these people, especially the parents. Now we know why they refused water and food for the kids. If any one of these f**king rebels/terrorists got away, I hope they are found fast and dealt with swiftly.
My heart and my prayers go out to all the victims of terrorism and right now to the parents of these children on their first day of school (Sept 1st).
~Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 03, 2004 03:08 PM (D39Vm)
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go see how it ends after this post of mine.
www.logicandsanity.com - scroll down a short way to the title "School seized in Russia." Scroll down to the end to see the finished product. http://www.moscowhelp.org/
Thank you
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 03, 2004 10:00 PM (D39Vm)
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I stumbled onto Backcountry Conservative by way of
of Townhall.com.
It's good to see someone call "the terror that dare not speak its name" exactly what it is: Muslim terrorism. I say "war against terrorism" my ass. We are in a war between Christian civilization and medieval islamic backwardness.
I believe President Bush has his diplomatic reasons for repeating that bullshit phrase: "war
against terror". Well I have feel such obligation.
And I'm a black, D.C., libertarian. And, only death can keep me from voting for George Bush in November.
Posted by: James Hodges at September 06, 2004 12:07 AM (bVYod)
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OKAY THIS IS TO EVERYBODY THAT THINKS MUSLIOMS ARE BAD.they arent. jews are the shits they think that theyre all that just cuz they got america behind their asses BUDYYY not even..
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September 02, 2004
Russia Declares War
Russia goes into post-9/11 mode.
From Radio Free Europe:
Among the many dramatic statements made over the last week in the heat of the unfolding events, perhaps the strongest came from Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov on 1 September. "War has been declared, a war in which the enemy is invisible and there is no front line," Ivanov said in a statement that was repeatedly broadcast on the national television channels. He said that the 31 August suicide bombing outside a Moscow subway station "was not the first and not the last terrorist" act that Russia will see in this now-open war.
State Duma Speaker and former Interior Minister Boris Gryzlov echoed Ivanov's statements in remarks the same day. "It is time for all those who tried to romanticize acts of madness, who try to present acts of terrorism as a lonely struggle for independence and justice, to come to the only proper conclusion: this is war," Gryzlov said, according to "Vremya novostei" on 2 September. He added that the war is being waged by well-financed and well-organized groups with international ties. "We are obliged to undertake measures commensurate with this situation," Gryzlov added. He said that the front line in this war "passes through the entire country" and the new situation "demands particular vigilance from everyone."
Gryzlov also said that new legislative initiatives in keeping with the new, wartime situation are being drafted and will be presented to the Duma in short order. He added that many of these initiatives are being drafted by law-enforcement and security agencies themselves, including the Justice Ministry, the Federal Security Service (FSB), and the Interior Ministry.
The biggest problem I foresee is that Russia has historically used external or internal threats as a way of justifying abuses to civil liberties/rights. And no, I don't mean the kind of petty things--the type of things the left accuses our own government of doing--I'm talking big things. You remember the gulags, right? I'm not saying that kind of abuse is inevetable, but such things have been known to happen.
Regardless of the possibility--and it is only a possibility--for abuse, the news that the Russians are going into post 9/11 mode is a good sign.
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Well, holy dogshit, Ivan!
It only took you three fuggin' years to get to ride the long bus.
You've got a biiiiig stack of make-up work to do!
Posted by: Scott at September 02, 2004 11:02 PM (aU1YY)
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Ain't that the truth.... but Russia in a war is still a scary thought.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 03, 2004 01:20 AM (D39Vm)
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Things are unfolding in Russia right now, with over 150 in hospital. I'm getting as much info as possible from TV but sure would like someone to update this and let me know what has happened and what is going on now. They did storm the school. 5 militants are dead, 10 dead. WHAT I CAN'T FIGURE IS WHY ARE THESE KIDS NAKED??
Help!!!!
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 03, 2004 06:42 AM (D39Vm)
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Simple... dehumanization and humiliation. Stripping the kids of clothes reduced them to the basest of creatures, trembling and vulnerable. This is the sickest fucking thing I've ever seen.
Attack buildings, attack business institutions, attack diplomats... but when you attack children... fucking defenseless and innocent children... damnit... fucking cowards....
Posted by: Shawn Liu at September 03, 2004 09:22 AM (68WUc)
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Actually,
AP reports that the children were only "partly clothed" due to the hot temperature in the gym where they were being kept.
In a lot of European countries, nudity of small children during the summer months is socially acceptible.
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Names of Released Russian Hostages
The terrorists have released 32 hostages. The names of 25 of them have been released in Russian. I have transliterated the names below. They seem to be mostly infants and their immediate caregivers. Stan at
Logic and Sanity is updating constantly.
more...
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Explosions Heard in Russian School Standoff
John 11:35 "Jesus wept."
Fox News:
Two large blasts went off Thursday near a school in southern Russia, where militants were holding hundreds of children and adults hostage.
The extremists were said to be heavily armed — some with bombs strapped to their bodies — as the standoff entered a second day. About 350 hostages were being held after terrorists stormed the school early Wednesday.
The explosions shook the area about 10 minutes apart, leaving a plume of black smoke in their wake. A soldier told FOX News that the terrorists fired on a car and that was the apparent source of the explosion.
The militants were also sporadically firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles from the school, FOX News has learned.
Thanks to
Jeff Quinton for notifying me about this. He first heard the news from
James Joyner. I don't know what to say. I'm speechless. Literally. I'm going to pray.
Update: Sigh of relief. Jeff pointed out that the Command Post is reporting that the terrorist scumbags blew up a car outside the building. A short reprieve, at the very least. Let's hope this situation turns out better than what I am expecting.
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They just blew up a car outside apparently. More details updated on my post and at The Command Post.
Posted by: Jeff at September 02, 2004 08:13 AM (VxoRA)
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Jeff's right, 2 cars that were too close to the school had grenades thrown at them causing this blast. There is also a report that either 26 or 31 teachers and students were released. That's all I could find.
~C
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The only other thing I could find, out of Al Jazeera no less, is that the bloodshed is not going to stop even with the new elections. 8 people have died and they believe those people were parents who fought against the rebels who were grabbing their kids as they walked them into the school. I did hear a report that one rebel was killed yesterday but a Russian soldier was killed today. This is a bad mess. Someone noted awhile back that Al Qaida was copying the Checkyn rebels but it's obviously the other way around. How else to terrorize so many people by holding hostage kids, ages 7 through 17 in a school gym and walking around with suicide belts on? I sure hope God is watching.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 02, 2004 09:41 AM (D39Vm)
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Just remember: that's what they want you to think that they want you to think they want.
Posted by: The Big D, Rusty Shackleford at September 02, 2004 03:10 PM (s0ici)
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HUH????
Right now, things are going down. They stormed the school. 12 dead, 158 kids in hospital, 5 militants dead, fighting going on all over the place. NEED HELP WITH THIS. Who is keeping up to date on this right now????? Even the CNN reporter there really can't say exactly what is going on by videophone. IS ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS???? The Russian soldiers are now in control of the school.
Rusty, tell me something - WHY ARE THESE KIDS NAKED??
~Cindy
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September 01, 2004
Hostage Crisis in Ossetia: Hundreds of Schoolchildren Involved
Updates:
See this post. The school has been stormed and hundreds dead.
Savages. This hostage crisis represents a clear turn in tactics among Muslim insurgents. The hostage takers appear to be Chechen, but their demands are not related to the Islamic insurgency in the Caucuses. Rather, they claim that this is about the undeclared war between Russia and Georgia in South Ossetia. Please see this post for background. What is so frightening about this is that it represents an alliance of convenience between Islamic terrorists and Christian Georgians. Both have a common enemy in Russia, although, I find it hard to believe that any Georgians knew of this attack in advance. However, it is evidence that terrorists will back nation-states, even ones that they consider immoral on theologic grounds, for the sake of common enemies and more immediate goals. NY Times:
Heavily armed insurgents, some with explosives strapped to their bodies, seized a school in southern Russia today and herded scores of schoolchildren and others into its gymnasium.
More than a dozen guerrillas, including men and women, stormed Middle School No. 1 in the town of Beslan in the republic of North Ossetia, not far from Chechnya on Russia's southern border with Georgia, just moments after the opening of the new school year, according to officials there and news reports.
Gunfire erupted during the seizure and afterwards. At least 3 people were reported killed and at least 10 wounded, according to preliminary accounts.
The local police, as well as special forces and soldiers from Russia's 58th Army, surrounded the school, creating a nervous stand-off that continued into this afternoon. Rossiya, the state television network, showed a camouflaged soldier racing a young girl, dressed in a light lavender dress, to safety.
With the school in their hands and evidently trip-wired with explosives, the guerrillas released one hostage with a list of demands, officials told official news agencies. Later the guerrillas freed 15 more hostages and Russian news agencies said 50 children escaped during a lull in the fighting.
A man who answered the telephone at the school and identified himself as "the press secretary" of the fighters said they wanted talks with the leaders of North Ossetia and neighboring Ingushetia, as well as with a pediatrician who took part in negotiations with insurgents who seized a Moscow theater in October 2002.
"Wipe your sniffles," the man said, speaking in Russian with a distinct Chechen accent, when asked what they wanted to discuss with the officials, and then hung up.
Updates Later.
Hat tip: Jeff Quinton. I will be in class all morning, Jeff's site will be a good resource to use for more immediate updates.
Others bloggers: Dean Esmay, Blogs of War, Spoons, Allah (technically a deity, not a blogger), Ace
Stan at Logic and Sanity is live-blogging the crisis.
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There's between 400-700 children in that school; why they can't come up with an exact number, I have no idea. Ages run 7 through 17. 10 Injured, lost the amount of dead. Place is blocked off and they say if rushed, they will blow up the school and everyone in it if Russian soldiers do not leave Checkyna. Now we all know what happened at the theatre when Checkyn rebels took that - just about everyone died from either hands because Russians soldiers did indeed go in even if it meant killing their own people. Two female Checkyn rebels were on the places - as suicide bombers and blew the planes up in the air. There was a witness to one of them - the plane just exploded in midair. Another Checkyn female as a suicide bomber in Moscow of late - probably because they didn't get anough attention the first several times they tried bombing a place.
I'm concerned about these Children. Russia will do what it has to do and will not tolerate terrorists and will go in after them even if it kills many of the children. I don't think it's very smart of any terrorist to pick on children and use them as bait; there should be a law against using this mode. They will either die from the Checkyn's or the Russians or both and what a waste that would be. The Russian soldiers are not going to leave Checkyna, so in basics, these rebels, these terrorists have picked the wrong group to hold hostage. Russian Soldiers are not going to leave, so what will the Checkyn terrorists do? What will the Russians do? They aren't going to bartar, so be prepared for many many children's death. This is very bad.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at September 01, 2004 12:22 PM (D39Vm)
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This would be an ideal opportunity for all those saintly "human shields" who sought to protect Iraq from harm to apply themselves and replace the child hostages.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 01, 2004 06:44 PM (04TFv)
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This is actually totally confusing. The media are all over the place about who these terrorists are. From what I can glean, and in response to your post, they may be Chechens, OR they may be ethnic Ossetians who are representing the interests of the mostly Muslim Ossetian minority in the breakaway republic of South Ossetia currently attached to Georgia. I'm not sure what religion non-Russian North Ossetians commonly are, but South Ossetians are Persian-derived Muslims.
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Wno is doing a constant update on this? I'm watching CNN as things are unfolding; having a little more information would be helpful at this time.
~C
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