March 03, 2006

Cherry Creek School District Student Comments on Jay Bennish

Just when you thought Conservative Thinking couldn't build on the Jay Bennish story anymore here comes another doozie from the Cherry Creek School District. It's not an official of the district and it's probably not a teacher but more than likely a student of Cherry Creek Schools.

"Sam" left a comment today on one of our Jay Bennish articles. Apparently, Mr. Bennish doesn't inspire free thinking like he and his supporters believe:

I think people are over Exaugurating something little,let the guy have his freedom of speech, hes just teaching the kids to think for themselves and giving his own oppinions. All you damn people are to stupid to realize bush is like hitler

Emphasis mine. However, the reason I think it's a student that wrote this is due to the horrific grammar and spelling skills (apparently too much time spent on "geography" and not English).

This is quite disturbing for two reasons, 1) apparently the Jay Bennish indoctrination program is working and 2) my daughter will be in the Cherry Creek School District this fall.

The details on "Sam" as far as IP address go are as follows:
Translated Name: ccsd-26-214.ccsd.k12.co.us
IP Address: 166.113.26.214

I'm going to send this along to the Cherry Creek Schools to voice my concern on my daughter's behalf.

Originally Posted at Conservative Thinking

Posted by: Chris Short at 06:59 PM | Comments (39) | Add Comment
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1 He's smart enough to know "bush is like hitler", but he isn't smart enough to put together a grammatically correct sentence. I weep for the future.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 07:22 PM (8e/V4)

2 Before you do that, I would encourage you to try and find out about the school's 'Acceptable Use' policy. As a former school district technology director, I can tell you that most schools place a very strict code of conduct when using the school district's computers by both the students and the staff. Since this obviously came from one of their machines, try to see if any of the comments were in violation of the policy. The policy is usually posted on the school district website. Depending on the severity, the results can be either expulsion for a student or termination for an employee. Either way, school districts really, really dislike things like this in the news. If that doesn't work out to your satisfaction, you can usually find a pretty good watchdog group that would love to hear from you. Those groups exist to cause school districts the most amount of grief possible. One last place to try is the local paper. This is especially helpful if it is a smaller town and not a large city. Those smalltown newspapers almost always appoint themselves as an informal watchdog group through their editorial pages. There are always lots of taxpayers who will jump all over things like this because they don't like administration to begin with and think too much money is being wasted so they are always looking for a good cause.

Posted by: slug at March 03, 2006 07:24 PM (vQoK9)

3 I sent an e-mail to the school district's "CARELINE". We'll see how that turns out but their AUP is something that they should be policing and not me. You're welcome to check for yourself though and if there is a violation please feel free to send them a note. The paper's here in Aurora, CO are hardcore liberal rags. Denver isn't too much better either.

Posted by: Chris Short at March 03, 2006 07:29 PM (0OCQY)

4 I just sent the school district an email too: Your students are smart enough to know "bush is like hitler", but they aren't smart enough to put together a grammatically correct sentence. I weep for the future. Do your friggin jobs.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 07:43 PM (8e/V4)

5 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loos Any true American who watches the above, free video will recognize the fact that Bush committed 9/11 the same as his grandfather's client, Adolf Hitler(Google "Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz"), committed the Reichstag Fire. Inarguably, Bush is Hitler-redux. Schoolteacher Jay Bennish is simply putting forward thoughts that any who claim spiritual descent from the Jeffersonian Whig Founders of the United States of America should have been realizing right after they heard GHW Bush's public statement confirming his "inability" to recall his whereabouts upon hearing of President Kennedy's assassination: W's only "qualification" for office. Death for Treason

Posted by: Will Jones at March 03, 2006 07:52 PM (wToeY)

6 >>>free video It's free??? Must be good!!!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 07:59 PM (8e/V4)

7 Only a Bush deranged Leftist could possibly find a way to put Thomas Jefferson and the Kennedy assassination and Bush and Jay Bennish in the same sentence. I swear you people are mentally deranged!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 08:12 PM (8e/V4)

8 JC.. the future indeed looks grim. Just from my own observations, the kids I see walking around these days have a "dumbed-down" look about them. Can't really put my finger on it... kind of a dead, just-got-outta-prison look. It's all part of the dismal mass culture we're living in. I see these guys walking to school, and I just can't imagine them mastering biology, math.. anything. In L.A. here, somewhere around 50% of students don't graduate from high school. Now, it really doesn't take much to graduate from high school these days, and still... they can't handle it. What are these people going to do as they get older???

Posted by: Richard at March 03, 2006 08:21 PM (7KF8r)

9 I love that Will Jones comedy routine. But his joke aside, it's sad to think that there are people who think like that. Sadder still that some of them are allowed to teach such Orwellian rot to innocent children unchallenged. It surely is a sad state of affairs when you consider what these kids are NOT being taught and what they ARE being taught. The comment you posted above is just another example of the increasingly poor state of public education, the primary purpose of which is to provide the foundation for responsible citizenship. Thank GOD student Sean Allen made that tape, othewise folks like your pal might be more convincing when he says this incident is "Exaugurat[ed]."

Posted by: Mike's America at March 03, 2006 08:32 PM (SHL+1)

10 >>>Will Jones said "Death for Treason" Yes Willy, that's a great phrase, but it's ours... You can keep that Dan Rather "Courage" one. By the look of your beliefs and political views, you're going to need it.

Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at March 03, 2006 09:03 PM (t8BiH)

11 Any true American who watches the above, free video will recognize the fact that Bush committed 9/11 As an immigrant to this country, I encourage you to leave. There are a lot of people living in other countries who love America more than you do, who would kill for the chance to be here, not only that but they see less evil in this country than you evidently do. If you're think the Government killed 3,000 citizens for $$cash$$ why are you still here?

Posted by: dave at March 03, 2006 09:41 PM (CcXvt)

12 Most of our country has been brainwashed into passivity. That is the truth. The question is, what are you going to do about it? Continue to spread around lies and false information? Stand up and do what's right? Naw...just go back to watching Star Wars.

Posted by: Ficus at March 03, 2006 09:53 PM (HDTwe)

13 dave, he has no reason to leave. I'm sure he's sucking at the teat of the American taxpayer for his income. He's either collecting welfare or has a cushy government job. Before my job as a technology director, mentioned above, I worked in technology for the Justice Dept. I quit because they couldn't keep me busy and I was bored out of my skull. I was one of 5 developers who spent their day doing a lot of coffee-drinking and wondering if we would get something to work on. To a lot of those people, the only thing worse than being that bored is the thought of having their job cut because of all the dead weight. This certainly wasn't specific to the technology people at all. Chris, thanks for referring me to the AUP but I think I'll pass. I had to go thru about 50 committee meetings reading a hundred other district's AUP before going thru about 200 iterations of our own. I'm a technical guy who fell into management by being the person employed there the longest so you may be able to guess that this won't get a lot of attention from me. Thought it might give you useful insider information but I've never even read the one where I work now even though I've signed a piece of paper that says I did. It certainly isn't your job to do the policing but I had hoped it would you some ammunition if you wanted to raise a stink over it. This is why I have my kids in a private Christian school.

Posted by: slug at March 03, 2006 10:05 PM (vQoK9)

14 This type story will bring them out - but never lose sight how ineffective this teacher is in spreading his gospel. The new left judges its "successes" by our reaction - rather than whether they were actually successful. They are a pathetic lot once you get past the anger they sometimes bring out in some of us. Performance art on a classroom stage - that's all it is. So a few students seem "suduced" - forget'em and notice that the overwhelming majority just yawn and stroll away.

Posted by: hondo at March 03, 2006 10:20 PM (fyKFC)

15 >>>The new left judges its "successes" by our reaction Truly a mark of their patheticness. Just like PETA knows we think they're a total joke, but they don't care as long as they can get a rise out of people. PATHETIC. It's almost like they revolve around us for their existence, like the Earth revolving around the Sun or something like that. They define themselves by being opposed to us, not by having any real core. That's how they can march for "peace", but also support terrorists! They have no core.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 10:34 PM (8e/V4)

16 Slug, you and I work in the same field. I personally enjoy the challenges that arise in the tech field, and just like you would be bored if I had nothing to do

Posted by: dave at March 03, 2006 10:41 PM (CcXvt)

17 I sent off an email too and also told my friends at work how they should do this as well. Thanks for your posting about this.

Posted by: Wild Thing at March 03, 2006 10:49 PM (tj1zH)

18 If anyone can present a convincing argument as to why liberals should not all be rounded up and hanged, I would love to hear it.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 03, 2006 11:12 PM (0yYS2)

19 It'd be a big mess.

Posted by: Chris Short at March 03, 2006 11:18 PM (0OCQY)

20 >>>If anyone can present a convincing argument as to why liberals should not all be rounded up and hanged, I would love to hear it. lmao! Love it. But I know some very nice Liberals who probably would agree that this Bennish fellow is a disgrace. It's really the Left that I hate. Libs just annoy me, like a fly or mosquito annoys me. Leftists, on the other hand are like roaches. Vile creatures. Those are the ones you chase around the kitchen floor trying to squash. No mercy.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 11:38 PM (8e/V4)

21 "However, the reason I think it's a student that wrote this is due to the horrific grammar and spelling skills" Nice work ace!

Posted by: foo at March 03, 2006 11:55 PM (/m4ss)

22 IM: You have fanmail @ http://blog.mu.nu/cgi/splorp.cgi?entry_id=161392

Posted by: dave at March 04, 2006 12:30 AM (CcXvt)

23 Carlos, difference or no, I hate them all for gross, negligent stupidity if nothing else; they should be removed from the gene pool for the sake of humanity.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 04, 2006 05:39 AM (0yYS2)

24 Thanks dave; I didn't get time yesterday evening, and don't this morning either now, but this evening is all mine, and so is the little bitch mason.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 04, 2006 05:42 AM (0yYS2)

25 I listened to the audio of TEACHER CAUGHT IN BUSH RANT, with great interest. Also, with sadness. My name is Michael Class. I live in the Seattle area with my wife and two children. I am a retired "dot-com" executive turned author, photographer, and publisher. I was appalled at how some teachers presented American history to my children. My son and daughter learned that Thomas Jefferson had slaves—before they learned that he wrote the document articulating our rights and duties as free people. European settlers killed Native Americans with blankets infected with smallpox, they found out. That allegation upstaged the stories of courage, perseverance, and curiosity that defined the pioneers. My children knew that more than a hundred thousand people died when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan, but they were not made to understand the moral context and the enormous scale of the conflict called World War II in which the atomic bomb story fit. With a curriculum seemingly designed to instill guilt and shame, I wondered, how will my kids ever discover the lessons of history that inspire greatness and noble aspirations? Will they ever believe that they can make a difference? Will they have any heroes left at all? Then, I wondered: What would the heroes of America’s past say to the children of today? I wrote, photographed, and published a book designed to set the record straight, to properly prepare our children for the future. My book is called Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. If anyone knows where I can reach 10th-grader Sean Allen, I will gladly send him a FREE copy of my book. He did the right thing. My book specifically rebuts the positions taken by teacher Jay Bennish - because I have heard his arguments so many times before. My book tells the truth about capitalism, the War on Terror, and places them in historical perspective. In the book, my real-life son, twelve-year-old Anthony, time-travels into the great events of the 20th century. Digital photographic “magic” places Anthony in the cockpit of the Spirit of St. Louis with Charles Lindbergh, on the moon with Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, in the laboratories of Thomas Edison and Jonas Salk, and on Normandy beach on D-Day. It looks as though Anthony really did meet Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, FDR, Lou Gehrig, Charles Lindbergh, and Audie Murphy. And it’s all historically accurate: Even Anthony’s conversations with America’s heroes are based on things they really said. While writing and photographing the book, I spoke with relatives of famous scientists and inventors, Holocaust survivors, award-winning biographers, and others who could help me ensure that the facts of the book were both accurate and vivid. But the book goes beyond a simple recitation of historical facts: the book presents the moral lessons of American history. The chapter about Lindbergh’s flight is really about choosing one’s destiny. The story of Lou Gehrig is one of a virtuous life. The chapter about Thomas Edison is really about business. The story of Apollo 11 is about wonder, taking risks, and courage. The story of Dr. Jonas Salk and the cure for polio is really about dedicating one’s life to a higher purpose. When Anthony “meets” his immigrant great-grandfather at Ellis Island in 1907, it’s really a story about what it means to be an American. Anthony’s observation of D-Day and the liberation of the death camps during the Holocaust is a testament to the reality of evil and the need to fight it. The book is meant to challenge the young reader. Many adults will find the book challenging, too. Anthony COMPARES the people and events of the past with the people and events of his own time. Anthony discusses the nature of good and evil, right and wrong, war and peace, what it means to be an American, honor and discipline, success and achievement, courage and destiny, marriage and family, God and purpose. Anthony’s observations prompt serious discussion of timeless moral questions. Anthony challenges the reader to think critically - to see the modern world in the light of the lessons of the past. We can't afford to raise a generation of Americans who do not value their country, their heritage, and their place in the world. As Abraham Lincoln said: America is the "last best hope of earth." Thank you. Michael S. Class Author / Photographer / Publisher Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: An American History Book for Right-Thinking Parents and Their Children ----------------------- E-Mail: class@MagicPictureFrame.com Web site: www.MagicPictureFrame.com

Posted by: Michael Class at March 04, 2006 10:15 AM (uQ06v)

26 Thanx Michael. I just ordered your book. I have two young grandkids who will certainly need to be armed and ready when they start school.

Posted by: Oyster at March 04, 2006 10:56 AM (YudAC)

27 Have you thought of private school? Even if you aren't say, Catholic, private schools offer a better education and most don't ram religion down anyone's throat.

Posted by: Pka at March 04, 2006 11:29 AM (UA1kS)

28 Real student opinions of Jay Bennish: http://www.ratemyteachers.com/schools/colorado/aurora/overland_high_school/jay__bennish

Posted by: MPH at March 05, 2006 05:09 PM (ES09B)

29 Why would you subject your daughter to government schools? We are a people who aspire to freedom and the ideal of a limited government. What incentive do government schools have to teach these principals? Home school your daughter or send her to private school. You have no higher earthly obligation than your children except to love their mother.

Posted by: Jericho at March 05, 2006 05:20 PM (5vEOE)

30 Jericho, who are you talking to? My daughter is 28. She has two small children not even in school yet.

Posted by: Oyster at March 05, 2006 08:50 PM (YudAC)

31 Why are so many of you afraid of exposing high school students to the other side of the story? Why are you so afaid of them knowing about Jefferson's slaves? Do you fear that truth will make them less patriotic? Is patriotism based upon brain- washing and lies? For generations, kids "learned" from texts and teachers who presented only one, incomplete side of the story of our country. How many people over the age of 25 ever saw a photo of a black soldier in the Civil War, or in the World Wars? That's one example of something kids weren't taught in schools. At least we're making progress. Bennish might have crossed a line in his attempt to get his students to think, but only in the current political environment of stifling opposing ideas (and truth) in order to prevent people from knowing too much and perhaps questioning the current admin's action would it be a crime for a teacher to exhort his students to "think for themselves." Why aren't we hearing the same fuss over conservative teachers who are using the classroom to insist on THEIR agenda? What is it about conservatives that they go for blood in a situation like this?

Posted by: Brian at March 06, 2006 07:25 AM (MtlCh)

32 Brian, you're kidding, right? Did you listen to the rant? He wasn't encouraging students to think for themselves, but was doing just the opposite, trying to brainwash the kids with his own political dogma. How is this encouraging students to think for themselves?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 08:57 AM (rUyw4)

33 Brian fully supports the positions and statements of Mr Bennish. To him Mr Bennish's positions and statements are gospel - pure fact - undeniable - and must be desiminated to all till they accept their truth. The fact that it is all part of a political philospophy under contention is irrelevant - and questioning it is same. Problem is they can't seem to get enough people to listen and agree with them - so - they target the people's children in a controlled mandatory environment to preach their gospel without interference from those so annoying reactionary parents. Intellectual pedophilia - it fits.

Posted by: hondo at March 06, 2006 01:47 PM (fyKFC)

34 Here we go, conservatives posting their straw man lies and distortions to distract from the truth. Where did I say I completely support Mr. Bennish's actions? Without all the facts who can either fully support or fully condemn? You are leaping on the Limbaugh wagon, and thereby revealing your desire to find a liberal to burn at the stake. No one has addressed this from my earlier message: Why aren't we hearing the same fuss over conservative teachers who are using the classroom to insist on THEIR agenda? What is it about conservatives that they go for blood in a situation like this?

Posted by: Brian at March 06, 2006 03:33 PM (MtlCh)

35 Give me an example of a conservative trying to brainwash their students. I will condemn them.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 05:59 PM (rUyw4)

36 As a retired history and geography teacher, I am dismayed at the number of people who do not understand what the study of geography includes. A number of Americans seem to believe it is simply the study of landforms and maps. Bennish's overly passionate lesson was not outside the geography curriculum. Geography spans many fields including the physical world, including habitat, ecology, geology, and the environment. In addition, geography concerns technology, science, religion, literature, art, and, yes, even the political world. The National Geography Standards were published in 1994 to guide geographic education in the United States. The eighteen standards shed light on what the geographically informed person should know and understand. The hope is that every student in America would become a geographically informed person through implementation of these standards in the classroom. Here are the National Geographic Standards: The World in Spatial Terms 1. How to use maps and other geographic representations, tools, and technologies to acquire, process, and report information. 2. How to use mental maps to organize information about people, places, and environments. 3. How to analyze the spatial organization of people, places, and environments on Earth's surface. Places and Regions 4. The physical and human characteristics of places. 5. That people create regions to interpret Earth's complexity. 6. How culture and experience influence people's perception of places and regions. Physical Systems 7. The physical processes that shape the patterns of Earth's surface. 8. The characteristics and spatial distribution of ecosystems on Earth's surface. Human Systems 9. The characteristics, distribution, and migration of human populations on Earth's surface. 10. The characteristics, distributions, and complexity of Earth's cultural mosaics. 11. The patterns and networks of economic interdependence on Earth's surface. 12. The process, patterns, and functions of human settlement. 13. How forces of cooperation and conflict among people influence the division and control of Earth's surface. Environment and Society 14. How human actions modify the physical environment. 15. How physical systems affect human systems. 16. The changes that occur in the meaning, use, distribution, and importance of resources. The Uses of Geography 17. How to apply geography to interpret the past. 18. To apply geography to interpret the present and plan for the future. Source: National Council for Geographic Education

Posted by: Mae at March 06, 2006 06:01 PM (q88zm)

37 Mae Yes, I understand. I have an MA in the field. That aside, what does your "above" have to do with the particulars of the Mr Bennish story? If you wish to defend him - please do so - the above information is functionally irrelevant and serves no purpose unless you wish to sidestep the story. Oh, I too am appalled at the lack of general understanding of the field of Geography - but this argument goes back over 30 years. Good argument - pity this is the wrong place for it.

Posted by: hondo at March 07, 2006 12:04 AM (fyKFC)

38 Pleez to you send me you address so we, er I can send to you delicious hamburger meal and many more beautiful gifts. We love to helping the little children and we have giant silo ( for to store the milk ) which is nearly finished building. When silo is finished building then we will end suffering for all the little children, and all of the peoples suffering everywhere. So please send to me you address and address of 10 friends. We will make sure that they are remembered. Thanks to you and Shalom! Er, I mean Later Dud! Please to excuse me spellbinding. I hav been very busy helping the poor little children and have not time to go to school to learn spellbinding.

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