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March 31, 2006

McKinney Lawyer Plays Race Card

WASHINGTON (AP) Â— A lawyer for Rep. Cynthia McKinney, the Georgia congresswoman who had an altercation with a Capitol Police officer, says she was "just a victim of being in Congress while black."

I hate to burst McKinney's bubble, but white folk are not allowed to bypass security checkpoints without showing proper ID and assault police officers when questioned. I think she might be taking that old Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skit too seriously.

It seems apparent, however, that it should be legal for Americans to slap any Georgians who admit they voted for this imbecile.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

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1 I thank that great American Gomer Pyle said it best: Â“Surprise, Surprise, SurpriseÂ”

Posted by: Brad at March 31, 2006 05:19 PM (3OPZt)

2 Wow, no one saw that coming!

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 31, 2006 06:06 PM (rUyw4)

3 When I was living in DC, I always thought it was amusing when blacks claimed racism. You know, the city IS black. Black Mayor, Black councilmen including drug addict former mayor Marion Barry, Black Chief of Police, Black policemen. Yet somehow racism is really imbedded into the system. So imbedded that even a black Government can't get rid of it. Well this was not an issue with the city but with the Capital police. So maybe they are not influnced by how black the city they work in is. If so, then how is it she is the ONLY one having problms? No, not with her hair, with the police. Next she will probably explain that the pin that she was suppossed to wear to identify her as a member of Congress is somehow racist too.

Posted by: Fred Fry at March 31, 2006 06:16 PM (HJnrm)

4 Exactly, all she had to do was wear the pin. But no, what she really wants is special treatment, not equal treatment. And this is what is at the crux of the problem. She should be censured by the full House, as she is a national disgrace.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 31, 2006 06:39 PM (rUyw4)

5 Don't worry, she'll hang with the liberals, muslims, and illegals when the time comes.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 31, 2006 07:07 PM (0yYS2)

6 I don't think the media mentioned the race of the security guard. They also didn't mention how long the guard has been on the job. If he was only on the job a day, and he's from Washington DC, how is he supposed to know the representative from Georgia? Also, if the security guard was white, there is the issue of cross-race identification. Blacks may not think it is an issue because caucasians have black, red, brown and blonde hair, and brown, green, hazel, and blue eyes, etc., and are easier to tell apart. Blacks, however, all have black hair and brown eyes and are harder to differentiate and recognize. To compound the situation, DC is 90-something percent black, with a mostly black government and education system, so that poor guard has to tell thousands of blacks apart.

Posted by: Mark James at March 31, 2006 07:07 PM (d9zjj)

7 Please don't blame all Georgians for McKinney, she only represents part of Atlanta, which really isn't Georgia at all.

Posted by: Rob at March 31, 2006 10:17 PM (nbWZD)

8 It is laughable to see a US Congressperson behave in such an uncouth, rude, and unprofessional manner!!! Apparently the job has "gone to her head," and McKinney thinks herself the veritable "Queen of Sheeba"....well, or at least Capitol Hill!!! Ha, ha! Of course, she already came out in a news conference today saying that "it was a black thing" (and I had thought her a rabid, feminist, white, Democrat, until I saw her picture! LOL!) And you just know that Sharpton, Farrakhan, Jessy Jackson, and all those other "Welfare Pimp" Irreverents(...Oops! I meant "Reverends") are going to vehemently agree with her, and make of this incedent (caused by her being a "snobbish, entitled, bitch," in any color) a "racial" issue!!! It would be pathetic if it wasn't so funny! LOL! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 01, 2006 12:18 AM (Ffvoi)

9 I wonder what some idiot liberal thought they were going to accomplish by posting my e-mail address, as if it wasn't already on every post? Jesus H., liberals are stupid. I should post my address as that of the city dump, and listen for news reports of gargabe men being stalked and assaulted by people wearing tin-foil hats.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 01, 2006 06:40 AM (0yYS2)

10 What has she done for her constituents besides introducing controversial legislation for a criminal rapper and make a fuss at entries to governmental buildings? McKinney has a real chip on her shoulder and it didn't just get there recently.

Posted by: Oyster at April 01, 2006 07:20 AM (YudAC)

11 CORRECTION:........"just a victim of being a member of congress while being...........STUPID, MEAN-SPIRITED RACIST, and AMERICA HATING........"

Posted by: n.a. palm at April 01, 2006 07:41 AM (bRzBw)

12 McKinney has been known to be a crackpot for years, and why blacks and liberal whites in Atlanta would elect this idiot is beyond me. Suffice it to say they are getting the representation they deserve.

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 01, 2006 09:28 AM (rUyw4)

13 McKinney is a joke - symptomatic of the community that sent her to Congress. She made a fool of herself in the past - lost her seat - then simply changed addresses to win another. Her constituents deserve her.

Posted by: hondo at April 01, 2006 10:58 AM (StM4D)

14 Decisions, decisions. On which side would she have guards error? Is it better to error on the side of caution injuring her fragile ego, or to allow a terrorist who looks vaguely familiar to bypass the checkpoint and give her the special treatment she has richly earned?

Posted by: Dave at April 01, 2006 12:02 PM (RgQmG)

15 That crazy bitch has been good comedy for years. But don't kid yourself. She has an agenda, just not much tact. And as assinine as she appears, she is smart. Me thinks the blacks in congress were looking for a way to take attention away from the mexican protests and bring the focus back to the "black thing". Remember, she was the jackass who was willing to take the money that Rudy G. turned down from the Arabian Sheik (sp)? And, she is a second generation nut case. Her dad is and old scholl racist with a particular distain for jews. He blamed jews for her previous loss in her re-election bid 4 + years ago. Publicly and with a straight face. But facts are, she did not have on her pin, and it is as much her responsability to make sure the gaurds know she is a non-threat, (personally I think she is more dangerous than UBL), She screwed up. Turn her over to the House for discplinary action.

Posted by: Kstumpf at April 01, 2006 01:34 PM (Fvuu/)

16 That crazy bitch has been good comedy for years. But don't kid yourself. She has an agenda, just not much tact. And as assinine as she appears, she is smart. Me thinks the blacks in congress were looking for a way to take attention away from the mexican protests and bring the focus back to the "black thing". Remember, she was the jackass who was willing to take the money that Rudy G. turned down from the Arabian Sheik (sp)? And, she is a second generation nut case. Her dad is and old school racist with a particular distain for jews. He blamed jews for her previous loss in her re-election bid 4 + years ago. Publicly and with a straight face. But facts are, she did not have on her pin, and it is as much her responsability to make sure the gaurds know she is a non-threat, (personally I think she is more dangerous than UBL), She screwed up. Turn her over to the House for discplinary action.

Posted by: Kstumpf at April 01, 2006 01:35 PM (Fvuu/)

17 DC is about 65% black, not 90%. McKinney is loopy, and her dad is an anti-semite. On the other hand, many white members do not wear their pins, and don't get hassled. The crossracial identification problem is real, as one poster pointed out. But let's put this in perspective--the Vice President SHOOTS SOMEONE IN THE FACE accidentally, and no one here thought of charging him with negligence, etc. Despite the admitted presence of alcohol, he kept quiet, avoided an investigation for 14 hours. For all anyone here knows, he was drunk when he shot his friend in broad daylight. McKinney hit/tapped a cop in the chest with a cellphone. No blood. No injury. No hospital. No ambulance. No delay in notifying police. McKinney is, as I said, loopy. But let's keep some perspective in calling for her arrest, expulsion, etc. JD

Posted by: jd at April 01, 2006 02:23 PM (uT71O)

18 Oh, and one more thing--Cheney was hunting illegally--ie, without a license. If you or I shot someone while hunting wihtout a license...well, we'd have a lot more problems than Cheney did. I'd say that is at least as bad as not wearing your pin...Cheney apologized, and paid the 10 bucks retroactively. Next time you shoot someone at close range while hunting, see if you can get that kind of treatment. If McKinney is asking for special treatment, she surely is not alone in that.

Posted by: jd at April 01, 2006 02:27 PM (uT71O)

19 QUOTE: CORRECTION:........"just a victim of being a member of congress while being a..........STUPID, MEAN-SPIRITED RACIST, and AMERICA HATING........" Posted by n.a. palm at April 1, 2006 07:41 AM Kudos n.a.palm!!! Coudn't have been said better! Of course, as she claims in her conflicting allegations, this is either "a black thing" and or about "police brutality"! Take your pick. I wonder if perhaps they should require IQ tests of all prospective candidates for Congress and the Senate! LOL However, I wouldn't be surprised if McKinney would be outraged at such a proposal, alleging it "discriminates blacks"!!! LOL! What a moron in any color....even "Technicolor"! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 01, 2006 04:53 PM (Ffvoi)

20 QUOTE: I'd say that is at least as bad as not wearing your pin...Cheney apologized, and paid the 10 bucks retroactively. Next time you shoot someone at close range while hunting, see if you can get that kind of treatment. If McKinney is asking for special treatment, she surely is not alone in that. Posted by: jd at April 1, 2006 02:27 PM LMAO! Another "Bash Bush" McKinney apologist! Sure, she deserves special treatment too! Next time, let McKinney shoot the Officer in the face, then go register the gun, apologize, and pay the $10 fee on her "Honky Hunting License"... retroactively, like Cheney did. Fair enough?!?! Hah, hah, hah!!! It just keep getting more ridiculous! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 01, 2006 05:06 PM (Ffvoi)

21 jd, I've never heard of anyone being charged with a crime for a clearly accidental shooting. And no delay in McKinney notifying police, are you a complete idiot? Hell, man, it was a policeman she hit. And negligence in itself is not a crime. If that were so, we would all be in jail, because we have all been negligent about something in our lives. Geez, man, what the hell?

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 01, 2006 07:17 PM (rUyw4)

22 You've never heard of someone being charged with a crime for an accidental shooting? You don't read all that much, do you? Accidental shootings keep a lot of courts really busy. Took me about 2 seconds to find one case online, dozens more were available. Before you say something, try and find out if it is even within a country mile of true. Also, duh, negligence is a crime in most states--in others, they use a different word, but the same concept applies. **** Madison man will spend 18 months in prison for the accidental shooting death of a 17-year-old girl. Tamis Bolden was sentenced Thursday morning in Dane County Court, WISC-TV reported. Bolden was showing his new gun to Sara Ouk in her west Madison home last July when it went off and she was killed. Bolden emotionally apologized to Ouk's family in court on Thursday. "I'm sorry; I'm so sorry," Bolden said. "I see your tears; it hurts my heart." Thursday the victim's sister, Sarrut Ouk, spoke about the loss. "The pain is too powerful to try to hold it in or set it to the side," she said. "Sara is gone, and she's not coming back." Bolden will also serve five years extended supervision

Posted by: jd at April 02, 2006 12:09 AM (uT71O)

23 Here's what a law looks like:684.03 Reckless or Careless Use of Guns. No person shall use, employ or discharge any gun in a reckless or careless manner or so as to endanger the life or property of another. Let's be clear--I'm not saying that I think Cheney should have been charged. That's beyond my info and expertise. I'm saying that of the two allegations, McKinney's and Cheney's, Cheney's is by FAR the more serious. I'd put it on a continuum--Chappaquiddick way over here, McKinney way over on the other side, and Cheney in the middle.

Posted by: jd at April 02, 2006 07:06 AM (uT71O)

24 Here's the criminal negligence law in CT--as I said, almost all states have one. Again, I'm not claiming that Cheney should be charged with criminal negligence--I'm saying it is a common crime, it is worth investigating, and the fact that he didn't report it for hours meant that we will never know if he was inebriated when he shot his friend in the face at close range. Just ask yourself--if this were Al Gore, and it were 1999...wouldn't you be suspicious of a coverup? If you were one of the Vince Foster conspiracy theory enthusiasts--well, I don't see how you could not want an investigation of Cheney with this fact pattern. ''A person acts with 'criminal negligence' with respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.'' Proof of that mental state requires that the failure to perceive the risk must be a gross deviation from the standard of a reasonable man; thus, it requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant is the doing of something that a reasonably prudent person would do under the circumstances or omitting to do what a reasonably prudent person would not do under the circumstances. A gross deviation is a great or substantial deviation, not just a slight or moderate deviation. There must be a great or substantial difference between, on the one hand, the defendant's conduct in failing to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk, and, on the other hand, what a reasonable person would have done under the circumstances. Whether the risk is substantial and unjustifiable is a question of fact for you to determine under the circumstances. The state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence. Proof of that mental state requires that the failure to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that a result will occur must be a gross deviation from the standard of a reasonable person.

Posted by: jd at April 02, 2006 11:15 AM (uT71O)

25 Well, now, jd, if you use the Ct. statute you quoted, then the man shot by Cheney might be guilty of that. After all, he walked right up to a guy about to discharge a shotgun. But again, you are trying to compare apples and oranges. You are trying to equate something that is accidental to something that was clearly intentional and looks to be a criminal assualt. If you can't see the difference, please, you need some help.

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 02, 2006 02:03 PM (rUyw4)

26 I agree intentionality separates the two situations. I never suggested otherwise. So does the gravity of the outcomes, and the level of knowledge we have about them. I'll accept that you now realize that accidental shootings ARE, in fact, treated as criminal some of the time? I'll also assume that you now realize that negligence, contra your earlier claim, is in fact a crime? They are, of course, different situations. And there are principled liberals who said, you know what? this shit is crazy, that McKinney is using the race card (there's an excellent one linked on Andrewsullivan.com). But pretending that tapping someone's chest with a cellphone is more serious than nearly killing someone? Or that one requires charges, and the other does not even require investigation? Who needs help here, again?

Posted by: jd at April 02, 2006 07:02 PM (uT71O)

27 QUOTE: But pretending that tapping someone's chest with a cellphone is more serious than nearly killing someone? Or that one requires charges, and the other does not even require an investigation? Who needs help here, again? Posted by jd at April 2, 2006 07:02 PM Who needs help here??? You do, moron!!! An "accident," is not an "act of aggression": "battery"!!! Cheney's hunting accident was investigated by the local authorities when it occurred. And even the victim, who all along said it had been his fault for coming up without announcing himself, was appalled by how this "accident" was being "spinned" by the Media and their Left-wing Democratic demagogue "Masters," and said so publicly!!! And "assaulting" a police officer, even with a "little" "weeny," "tiny," "bitty" "tap" on the chest, after being hailed to stop by the officer as she "tip-toed through the tulips" to avoid the Security Checkpoint, is "ASSAULT" and does merit not only an "investigation," but that charges should be filed! You should seek Psychiatric help for those with "Loosing the Election in 2000 Denial Anxiety Syndrome." Apparently you suffer from the malady. Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 02, 2006 11:57 PM (Ffvoi)

28 JD, as a liberal and an idiot, (but then, I'm being redundant), you can't be expected to understand the intricacies of bird hunting. You see, when you're out in a field after birds, everyone is supposed to stay in line so that nobody steps into someone else's fire, like what happened to Whittington, who said that he was out of position, and that it was his fault. Of course Cheney, being a man of honor and integrity, i.e. a gentleman, (look it up), said it was his own fault because he was the one who pulled the trigger. They're both right, but since they're both men of some years, they can be forgiven their mistakes, even if the consequences were more dire, in the same manner that nobody makes a big deal about people who are too old to be driving around, and who represent a much greater danger to society at large than a couple of men on a quail hunt. It's just too bad they didn't flush Cindy Sheehan out there.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 07:01 AM (0yYS2)

29 I don't think I suffer from the 2000 syndrome, as I didn't vote for Gore that year--I voted libertarian. I also don't know how IM gleaned that I was a liberal from my post, although idiot may be an easier diagnosis. The immediate association of idiot with liberal is one that troubles me, though. Many, many liberals have been brilliant by any definition of the word. Agree or disagree with them, you end up looking pretty dumb if you can't see the ratiocinative brilliance of, say, Felix Franfurter, John Rawls, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., etc etc. Now, being brilliant does not mean someone is right. After all, Paul Wolfowitz is really smart, but his ideas on Iraq and his predictions have been shown to be quite wrong. I don't think it is helpful to label him an idiot because of that. I'm not a conservative, but there are many brilliant conservatives, who I read with respect and interest. Are you really convinced that liberal equals idiot? On EVERY issue? Even a blind pig finds an acorn from time to time! I was aware that the local authorities "looked into" the shooting. My point was that there was a substantial delay between the shooting and the notification of the authorities. If the VP was drinking after lunch (he admitted to drinking at lunch) he had enough time to get it out of his system. That concerns me. And again, next time you are hunting without a license, and you have been drinking, and you almost kill someone...you see if you get that kind of treatment.

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 07:27 AM (uT71O)

30 And has it reached the point where we wish that our political enemies get shot? I don't agree with Cindy Sheehan on a lot of things, but I wouldn't cheer if she were shot in the head. I think her family has suffered enough bloodshed, don't you?

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 08:10 AM (uT71O)

31 jd, You have been suffiently eviserated, I suppose, but your suggestion that a criminal assault is somehow lesser of an offense than an accident gets our brains to going. And to defend such a proven aggressive racist as McKinney sure makes you look like an idiot liberal. Sorry, that's how it appears out here in the trenches. At least you didn't defend Teddy Kennedy, so I guess you can be rehabilitated.

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 03, 2006 09:06 AM (rUyw4)

32 Joe--if your abilities at biblical exegesis equal your abilities at blog exegesis, I'm concerned about your immortal soul. Where did you get the idea I'm defending McKinney? I think I said she was loopy and hiding behind the race card. If you missed it, I just said it again. If that's defense, I'd hate to see what attack is. All I'm doing is putting it in perspective. I think the right way way way overreacted to the death of Vince Foster, and made a personal tragedy into a family and political nightmare with incessant disproved conspiracy theories. What I don't understand is how some of the same people can call for Cheney's rapid exoneration, even though the delay in the investigation is highly unusual and gives him a way of avoiding the alcohol test that would be standard if you or I did this. Furthermore--when put into the context of Cheney's accidental shooting, the INTENTIONAL tapping/hitting upon the chest of a police officer becomes much more likely to be seen in the appropriate light. I think this misunderstanding will be resolved without charges...and probably should be. McKinney is loopy, and in the wrong here. But criminal charges? Please. Get a grip. Just because you hate her is no reason to politicize the law. Down that road lies tyranny.

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 12:55 PM (aqTJB)

33 I didn't defend McKinney. I said she was loopy. I also said playing the race card here is wrong. But I argued for perspective. Many on the right took the Vince Foster tragedy and investigated it way beyond the point of sanity, causing extraordinary pain to his family and friends. Yet when Cheney nearly kills someone, after drinking, while hunting without a license, and avoids a breathalyzer that you or I would have faced...no story there! So, compared to your calls for blood with McKinney, your lack of attention to Cheney calls into question your objectivity. But no, I'm not defending her.

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 02:03 PM (aqTJB)

34 Sorry for overlapping comments! I thought I was getting censored when I didn't see the first comment, turns out I was looking at an old copy of the page.

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 02:05 PM (aqTJB)

35 jd, c'mon, tell the truth and shame the Devil - you didn't vote for Gore because you weren't old enough to vote in 2000.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 03, 2006 02:49 PM (RHG+K)

36 It is so utterly absurd for anyone to resurrect that "dead horse" of a story of Cheney's hunting accident in order to "spin," and "justify" the latest tantrum of that uncouth, mean-spirited, racist, America-hating moron, McKinney!!! It is pitiful that such a "compulsive obsession" to bash, defame, and obstruct the Administration and its policies, is the only driving force of most Liberals, and the only "idea" the Democrats and their Left-wing Loony Masters can bring to the table; their only "comprehensive" agenda, in these most difficult times facing the nation!!! Damn terrorist threats, National Security, being overrun by swarms of illegal immigrants, or the looming nuclear threats from Iran and North Korea, "let's bash Bush and Cheney"!!! That's the Democrat's only position, their greatest priority, and their "Contract with America"!!! Perhaps Vice President Cheney should be "Magnanimous," and setting aside all hard feelings about the vicious and unfair treatment he has often received at the hands of David Gregory; that poor excuse of a "White House Press Corp Piranha" for a journalist, who often scours the sewers of Washington, bottle in hand, for the least whiff of Â“effluentÂ” coming from the White House, and who made such a stink about Â“not having been told more promptly,Â” about such a Â“monumentalÂ” incident of Â“International repercussion,Â” in his opinion, as was CheneyÂ’s unfortunate but meaningless accident, and was responsible for making of it in the Media Â“much ado about nothing;Â” have the kindness to invite him, McKinney, and Cindy Sheehan, to go "Quail Hunting" with him one of these days in Texas....sort of Â“killing three birds with one stoneÂ”...and just make sure to carry an elephant gun with him this time, with cartridges packed with much bigger caliber pellets, instead of his usual 12 caliber and birdshot.... To think that if Cheney did this, he could not only do humanity a favor, and our country a great service, but could actually become the Â“Poster BoyÂ” for a new Haliburton venture.... in the Â“pest controlÂ” business: Â“Exterminating rabid verminÂ”! LOL!!! LMAO!!! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 03, 2006 03:44 PM (y6n8O)

37 Wow, Althor, you really are full of hate, aren't you? You just made a very funny joke (uh...right) about the VP shooting two of his political opponents and a member of the media. Seriously, calm down there, cowboy. Politics is a dirty enough business without hoping for the violent deaths of people we disagree with. That kind of rhetoric is far more appropriate to nations wracked by death squads, ethnic killings, kidnappings, and incipient civil war...you know, like the liberated paradise of Iraq...

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 07:08 PM (uT71O)

38 Uh, sorry to disappoint, DPB, but I voted libertarian in 2000. First Dem for prez I ever voted for was Kerry.

Posted by: jd at April 03, 2006 07:15 PM (uT71O)

39 You just don't have a sense of humor JD!!! LOL! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 03, 2006 07:31 PM (BJYNn)

40 Besides....it would only be an accident. Ooops! LMAO!!! Althor

Posted by: Althor at April 03, 2006 07:36 PM (BJYNn)

41 Oooh that's right jd, the Left isn't really fussy about things like letting 15 year olds vote, are they?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 03, 2006 11:18 PM (RHG+K)

42 Actually, it was Robert A. Heinlein who advocated removing the voting age entirely, and replacing it with a quadratic problem--before you can vote, you have to do some math. As he put it, smart 12 year old girls could vote, but not 45 year old nimrods. (I don't endorse those views--seem pretty elitist to me--but that's what your question reminded me of-and Heinlein was not a man of the left, to put it mildly). No, I legally voted in 2000, for the libertarians.

Posted by: jd at April 04, 2006 05:40 AM (uT71O)

43 You didn't have any sense in 2000 either, jd.

Posted by: jesusland joe at April 05, 2006 07:35 PM (rUyw4)

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13 Someone must be listening. They've doubled the number of pictures there in the last 12 hours (more comments too).

Posted by: Kent at March 29, 2006 11:38 AM (oYQ15)

14 The domain is not merrimusings.typepad.com but typepad.com. In the Internet domain scheme typepad.com is addressed by registering the domain with an internet authority or an agency so designated (for example I use an outfit called Namesecure to register domains). Then the Internet becomes aware of the domain and knows how to direct traffic destined for the particular domain. However, anything to the left of typepad in the domain typepad.com is under control of typepad.com. In the case we are talking about merrimusings is a subdomain of typepad.com and traffic first goes to typepad.com and then typepad.com directs the traffic to merrimusings. So in this case Merri has to rely on the good graces and TOS of typepad.com.

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Sean Penn Has Ann Coulter Voodoo Doll

From Contact Music, via the Drudge Report:

Hollywood activist SEAN PENN has a plastic doll of conservative US columnist ANN COULTER that he likes to abuse when angry. The Oscar-winner actor has hated Coulter ever since she blacklisted his director father LEO PENN in her book TREASON. And he takes out his frustrations with Coulter, who is a best-selling author, lawyer and television pundit, on the Barble-like doll. In an interview with The New Yorker magazine, Penn reveals, "We violate her. There are cigarette burns in some funny places. She's a pure snake-oil salesman. She doesn't believe a word she says."

Pinkie the Sensuous Sailor, special Hollywood correspondent to The Dread Pundit Bluto, has learned that the "torture doll" is actually a specially modified full-size Corinthian leather "Courtney Love 3-Input Receptacle" model, which Penn uses for other purposes besides the symbolic abuse...

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

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1 With his voodoo doll, Sean Penn has just illustrated in a microcosm the level at which the Left "debates" the Right these days. Just one big flaming war by a bunch of high school and college dropouts in Hollywood. Can you blame the guy? He's an illiterate college dropout with a stunted ability to communicate, whose only real skill is memorizing lines and pretending to be other people.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 28, 2006 12:10 PM (8e/V4)

2 Big deal. I violate my full-size Ann Coulter blow-up doll fortnightly.

Posted by: Rusty at March 28, 2006 12:22 PM (JQjhA)

3 "...Coulter is a best-selling author...) Yeah! Her audience is the 36% of lunatics who support Bush. That's best-selling all right. "...a pundit...". See the 36% mentioned above. ? "... a lawyer...". She graduated from a third-rate law school.

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at March 28, 2006 12:42 PM (Kv9eJ)

4 Think he kicks his dog too? What a child.

Posted by: Oyster at March 28, 2006 12:51 PM (rGS2g)

5 University of Michigan Law School is "third rate"? lol! It's one of the top law schools in the country you big dope.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 28, 2006 01:29 PM (8e/V4)

6 -what a stupid looking freak. Is he one of these actors with no college under his belt but has become an expert on foreign affairs, domestic policy, etc etc ?

Posted by: goesh at March 28, 2006 01:31 PM (1w6Ud)

7 and ps., not to mention she was editor of the law review at Michigan. In other words, college dropout Sean Pean would be mowing her lawn if he hadn't found a gig in Hollywood.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 28, 2006 01:31 PM (8e/V4)

8 If he hates her that much, why not offer to debate her publicly on the issues, instead of being the traitorous little coward he is and abusing a doll (something that I think qualifies as requiring therapy).

Posted by: Graeme at March 28, 2006 01:35 PM (N89lv)

9 We should get ourselves a SEAN PENN voodoo doll and stick pins in its rear end and bop it on the head with a hammer to show we dont care for his rotten acting and his putrid movies

Posted by: sandpiper at March 28, 2006 02:39 PM (UwJcR)

10 Ann Coulter doll? I bet that doll never shuts up.

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 28, 2006 02:45 PM (D2g/j)

11 I understand Sean turned to abusing the doll in frustration after failing to defeat it in debate.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at March 28, 2006 03:08 PM (RHG+K)

12 Thanks Bluto, I needed to spray down my monitor with iced tea anyway.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 28, 2006 03:31 PM (0yYS2)

13 That boy ain't right. "I bet that doll never shuts up." And, it has Man Hands.

Posted by: CUS at March 28, 2006 03:33 PM (bbXZq)

14 He probably rescued that doll from the floodwaters of New Orleans. You did say "voodoo doll", now didn't you?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 28, 2006 04:04 PM (rUyw4)

15 The fact that a grown man violates a doll in effigy is actually intensely disturbing if one thinks about it for a minute...

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 28, 2006 05:16 PM (0yYS2)

Ann Coulter doll? I bet that doll never shuts up.

I suspect it's one of these.

Posted by: Anachronda at March 28, 2006 05:46 PM (NmR1a)

17 Idiot looks like eraserhead

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 28, 2006 06:15 PM (WjdPM)

18 There's nothing wrong with hating Ann Coulter. I hate her too. She insulted a vietnam vet a few years ago. The poor guy is paralyzed.

Posted by: Derek Falkan at March 28, 2006 06:47 PM (CnDtU)

19 I do not hate Ann, I'm just saying...

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 28, 2006 07:26 PM (D2g/j)

20 Wow, just.... wow...

Posted by: LC CanForce 101 at March 28, 2006 07:52 PM (3smJS)

21 I personally find Coulter to be annoying. However, this is some freaky stalker-type stuff here.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at March 28, 2006 10:40 PM (GyNTD)

22 i have a sean penn doll that i abuse when i get angry i twist off the head and play hacky sack with it.

Posted by: Billy Faeth at March 28, 2006 11:06 PM (mBI/D)

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March 20, 2006

Arab Styling With a Swastika

He just forgot that Aryan does not include Egyptians.

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1 Actually, there were Arian Egyptians at one point. Arius himself was a presbyter in Alexandria, and he had a large following in Egypt, though he was himself of Libyan anscestry. The Arian movement was eventually supressed, though it has popped up now and again throughout Christian history. So there isn't much of a problem with an Egyptian Arian, though both the Muslims and Copts would likely be pretty upset. I guess there's a problem after all -- but nothing a couple strokes of a knife couldn't solve. I think you meant "Aryan," which is the source ethnicity for Indians, Iranians (Iran actually MEANS "Land of the Aryans"), and other eastern Indo-European descended nationalities. Ironically enough, Gypsies (who actually ARE Aryan) were being killed by Germans (who are and were not Aryan by any stretch) in the name of "Aryan" blood-purity. Just another way (among many) that Hitler was wrong. Of course, the issue Hitler had with the Jews was racially derived, and extended to the closest ethnicities to the Jews -- in other words the Arabs. So any Arab who praises Hitler is a complete moron.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at March 20, 2006 10:59 AM (Kz30m)

2 It's the same kind of stupidity that leads people in the west to believe that jihadis only hate the Jews, thus it's trendy to drape oneself in a Palestinian flag or that arab head dress that comes in a variety of picnic table styles (whatever the hell that thing's called).

Posted by: Graeme at March 20, 2006 11:09 AM (DTJmx)

3 ATBOLK: Oops can't spell my way out of a wet paper bag some days. Thanks.

Posted by: Howie at March 20, 2006 11:17 AM (D3+20)

4 It's a Keffiya, and I strongly recommend it to anyone who is stuck in a dusty-ass, dry, God-forsaken desert where the camels spend the day either trying to eat your hair or spit in your face. It's also good for intense yard-work in the summer, especially if you wrap the ends around your face splodydope-style to keep the dust and pollen out of your mouth. Outside of that, it ends up looking pretty stupid. Too bad the splodies don't understand they don't need help with the whole "looking stupid" thing. That, they've got down solid.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at March 20, 2006 11:24 AM (Kz30m)

5 Actually ABOLK, all Indo-Europeans are related to the Aryans, even the Germans.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 02:25 PM (0yYS2)

6 Well, yeah, all Aryans are Indo-Europeans, but not all Indo-Europeans are Aryans. It's like saying Californians are Floridians, simply because both are Americans. And as a Floridian I find that concept deeply insulting.

Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at March 20, 2006 10:34 PM (qMYED)

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Federal Ban of Military Funeral Protests Proposed

Disgusted by the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church hate cult, US Representative Mike Rogers (R-MI) will introduce legislation that would prohibit protests an hour before or after a funeral and keep protesters at least five hundred feet away from family members of the deceased. more...

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1 This seems like an acceptable and judicious limitation on protests. In my opinion, this wouldn't infringe on any first amendment rights, as I would not consider these demonstrations "peaceable" assembly.

Posted by: The Gentle Cricket at March 20, 2006 01:09 AM (USZUJ)

2 Rep. Mike Rogers would do well to write this legislation to include all the funerals the Phelps followers target with their hateful protests. They don't just protest at military funerals. They also go after the funerals of victims of AIDS and hate crimes.

Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 05:22 AM (YudAC)

3 There is no decency left in America, and it's about time to start busting heads to teach people some manners.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 05:43 AM (0yYS2)

4 I agree with such legislation in principle, but it is probably unconstitutional.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 07:31 AM (bfkgE)

5 Time for local and federal law enforcement to declare these hatemongers as 'invisible' and 'non-existant', and let the brothers-in-arms of the deceased take care of the matter as they see fit.

Posted by: Charlie at March 20, 2006 07:44 AM (DwY9A)

6 Or, to treat them like barracks thieves. You know: "If the funeral of your loved one is marred by the presence of these morons, detain them and bring them to the Police. Under no circumstance are you to harm them in any way; but if they happen to fall down a couple of flights of stairs on the way in, it's not your fault that they are clumsy."

Posted by: Charlie at March 20, 2006 07:48 AM (DwY9A)

7 I don't know about it being unconstitutional. Free speech does have limits. This would not silence or censor them. They're just being told to move the platform. There is a level of irony here. They assert their freedom of speech, but protest against other freedoms like career choice and lifestyle.

Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 07:54 AM (YudAC)

8 I agree with you, Oyster, on the irony here, and I think these protectors are bottom feeders who deserve to be shot. But their speech is constitutional. Their speech is political. Abhorrent, yes, but political. Political speech (as opposed to commercial speech) is given the highest protection under the US Constitution. A military funeral is speech, and arguably political speech. In the context of this war, it is therefore a political event, and, like any other political event, the protestors are free to come with counterspeech. I'm not saying I agre with the Christian Taliban protestors here, but I don't see how such a law can comply with the Constitution.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 08:57 AM (bfkgE)

9 ProCynic - I would argue that this speech, coming at a funeral, could be considered "fighting words" or "provoking speech". Therefore, limiting the time and place is permissable under the Constitution.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at March 20, 2006 09:14 AM (WOQ34)

10 You can argue that, Airdale, but I don't think it will win, given the current jurisprudence. The courts tend to give the greater weight to the political element of the speech.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 09:27 AM (bfkgE)

11 I could be wrong but, I think the young man on the right in the p-shop pic is a protest warrior from the NYC chapter.

Posted by: Babs at March 20, 2006 10:04 AM (iZZlp)

12 ProCynic: I would argue that these funerals are private events. The military is participating only at the request and with the permission of the grieving family members. Therefore, what you call political speech is actually harrassment. I'd like to see the church members charged, as often as possible, to keep them busy with other things. I'd also like the ban to cover ALL funerals, not just military ones.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at March 20, 2006 10:34 AM (RHG+K)

13 I'm not saying I agre with the Christian Taliban protestors I'll point this out, each time people say it. Read up Fred Phelps past, and who are the members of his "Church" His "Church" is his house, he is a disbarred Lawyer, most of his children are lawyers, and are attendees. Do you see the big picture: chant evil, vile things at funerals, get assaulted sue municipality. Calling them "Christian" and saying they're making a political statement is ignorant of the facts -- also look at the 7 million dollar lawsuit he has against a city in regards to his protests.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 10:41 AM (CcXvt)

14 DPB: First of all, thanx for responding to my comment directly. I am honored honor, particularly since Jawa Report has become daily reading for me. I think characterizing military funerals as private events is possible but problematic at best. The first issue would be the definition of the cemetery. Is the cemetery a public forum? That would not necessarily depend on whether the cemetery is publicly or privately owned. If the cemetery is considered a traditional public forum, then you have a major problem trying to get a military funeral considered a private event in this public forum. And could the cemetery be considered a public forum? Very easily. Political statements are made at funerals all the time. Paul Wellstone and CSK come to mind. Counter protesting outside the church on a public street is legitimate and constitutional. Political statements are made at cemeteries all the time. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address arguably fits into this bill. That would be my first argument in any brief I was writing opposing such a law. What you're arguing for is a content-based restriction on political speech. A time, place and manner restriction this ain't, because it is the funeral itself that gives the protestors, they would argue, the opportunity to be heard by people who disagree with them, which is why you can protest a political convention or a presidential visit. Again, I think these protestors are the scum of the earth, and their abuse of the First Amendment may end up limiting it for all of us, but even I could put together an argument that would sway the court that their despicable actions are still constitutional. And if I could do it, the vile Laurence Tribes of the world certainly could.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 12:01 PM (bfkgE)

15 ProCynic, Just out of curiosity, since you've demonstrated how a basic argument could be formed to defend the protesters, how would you argue it for the other side?

Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 12:39 PM (g9UJq)

16 Oyster, It would be difficult to do, but both DPB and I have outlined some possibilities here. 1. The funeral is a private event, so only private invitees are allowed into the premises. 2. While political speech is a fundamental right, the government has a compelling interest in protecting already grieving relatives from further trauma. 3. Beause of this compelling interest, the law would be a permissible time, place and manner restriction. The protestors can express their opinions, but not in a time, place or manner that would further exacerbate the grief of the survivors. 4. Finally, and don't underestimate the impact of this argument, what the protestors are doing is just wrong. It's hurtful, and it's intended to be hurtful, to people who are already hurt beyond imagination. It is such abuses of the First Amendment that cause people to lose respect for the First Amendment.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 01:07 PM (bfkgE)

17 I must have misread the constitution, did I miss the section about "Freedom to harrass" via "Freedom of Speech" ? How is protesting a funeral with a sign saying "Thank God for IED's" or "America turned itself over to Fags, now he's sending them home in bodybags" political speech? against whom? the dead body?, or the family of the victim? It's harrassment, pure and simple. There are laws to protect you from harrassment via the medium of communication: telephone, written word and internet. I guarantee if the KKK turned up at a black persons funeral with a sign with racial slurs on it, there would be an end to this tomorrow.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 01:58 PM (CcXvt)

18 Unfortunately I know one of these men that are getting "rallied" against. Knowing the bible as I do, though I would have to say this it does not show a connection to soldiers and to homosexuality. Mind you I am all for the rights of every human being and how they are to live their own life, that is why we are in America. I thought though in the bible we are to love each other as we would ourselves. God's teachings are about love and respect for fellow man. Jesus lead an army through the desert, he fought against his enemies, was his army all "fags". I find theses people and their statements very hypocritical. They as many radical groups find one small section of the bible and focus on that aspect, while ignoring the rest of the ENTIRE book. At least I know that I will die with God's true words and the people who spread hate as these people do, know not GOD and surely will be damned for it. In the end to all this raving, I do have to agree that it is harassment, invasion of privacy, and in no way peaceful. It is a hate demonstration and agreeing with Dvec if KKK held up chantings and posters it would be just that a hate crime. This should not be for just the soldiers, but for all funerals gay, straight, black, white, male, female, young, old. Funerals are sacred in ALL religions, not just christianity. Some people celebrate it, some mourn. But none blasphemy it. It is revolting!

Posted by: Jennifer at March 20, 2006 02:14 PM (zhJYx)

19 Davec, Political speech and hate speech are not one and the same. Harrassment can only be acted upon in certain circumstances that are case specific and typically limited to an individual. "Thank God for IED's" is disgusting, but is political speech -- opposition to the war. It's also not directed at an individual, but at an event.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 02:19 PM (bfkgE)

20 Political speech? Identify the recipients of the message? Can you tell me the political message of the sign "Thank God for dead Miners" in regards to the Sago mining accident, how about "God hates fags" and "Matthew Shepard is in Hell" held up at his funeral? Political message please? You see, just because the recipient was a Military person does not mean it is political in nature, it is harrassment pure and simple. There is no church at Westbourogh, the church is held in Phelps basement, inside a military like compound, and consists mainly of his family [mostly lawyers] and himself [disbarred lawyer]. Irony is, if he just purchased weapons, Clinton would have burnt him down.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 02:33 PM (CcXvt)

21 I.M. is correct. Bust their dam heads. G-D loves Fags, but G-D hates what Fags do.

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 03:31 PM (D2g/j)

22 Actually, every protest they engage in is based on the tolerance of gays. They picket military funerals not because of war, but because of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Their picketing of the funerals of gays and victims of AIDS is obvious. Any funeral they protest otherwise, ike the miners, they claim is because the deaths were retribution from God for tolerating gays. They're literally obsessed with homosexuality. And ProCynic, thanks for your reply.

Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 03:57 PM (g9UJq)

23 davec, These guys are not the only group protesting military funerals. Anti-war protestors show up at funerals a lot as well. That was my primary frame of reference. But if gay activists can speak up in favor of rights, sometimes obnoxiously -- a cause with which I agree, BTW -- then I don't see why this group can't argue against it with equal obnoxiousness. At least from a constitutional standpoint. Reprehensible? Yes. Should these guys be aborted retroactively? Absolutely. But just because something is wrong does not make a prohibition thereof constitutional.

Posted by: ProCynic at March 20, 2006 04:53 PM (Ffvoi)

24 I find it irreprehensible how some people will fight for evil, if it's wrapped in the blanket of "freedom" I find it important to note that "Freedom of Speech" has been used to defend the possession of child porn, and sedition both, does this make either worthy of protection? It's very easy for people to let bad things happen to good people, when you're not a recipient of such actions, you might reconcider such behavior if those people attended the funeral of one of your family with signs like "Thank god for cancer" or "The wages of sin, are death" just because you have the freedom to do something, doesn't mean you shouldn't excise good judgement and decorum. It is morally ambiguous to use "Freedom of speech" to defend people doing evil things, when it is against the spirit of the document, and the authors who penned it.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 05:19 PM (CcXvt)

25 As a side note, the Constitution does not prohibit making fun of mentally challenge children, common decency however does. This is why this type of decision should be weighed like the "Fighting Words" doctrine

: The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as granted in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution In its 9-0 decision, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine and held that "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" are among the "well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech [of which] the prevention and punishment of...have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem." The decision has to be weighed as such: Would banning protests at funerals create a totalitarian Government, or remove a valid means of protest against the Government? or should the rights of the family members, who are already suffering be paramount? Does being a Postman, and thus employed by the Government also mean people should be able to protest at their funeral, does the act of protesting a funeral injure or enlighten the attendants? Just because something is not prohibited in the Constitution does not mean that we should not pass laws against it, I don't believe for one minute the Founding Fathers would have allowed it to be used as a tool to extend the suffering, and inflict harm against grieving families, even if said deceased person was in the employ of the U.S Government. Unless you can think why that is not the case?

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 06:30 PM (CcXvt)

26 Just spray them with a mixture of skunk oil limburger cheese,rotten eggs,and other foul smelling stuff like cow manure

Posted by: sandpiper at March 20, 2006 08:59 PM (JtcRt)

27 What lovely political philosophies! However, screw all of that and just nuke the bastards! It'time to take back our country and have Waco family Bar-B-Q II! Case closed! You're welcome!

Posted by: JZ at March 20, 2006 09:19 PM (Nej3c)

28 "Your rights end where mine begin." The sad thing about this country is, if you're and asshole, but don't do anything illegal, you can spend your entire life being an asshole. There used to be a time where if you were an asshole, someone could smash your face in to teach you a lesson. When you CHOOSE to live in a particular society, you agree to follow it's rules, laws and customs. We enjoy free speech... but we're also bound by civil decency. If they want to protest, they can do it at a respectable distance... otherwise, let the pissed off family tear loose on them, and claim temp. insanity.

Posted by: Hardwyre at March 21, 2006 10:12 PM (Rxra/)

29 Ok...hmmm. I am currently in Iraq. I personally feel a lot of pain when I see this kind of thing going on. The real problem is that it is a media-stunt and an act constructed to create confrontation, thereby allowing for lawsuits, and the gain of monies from the winnings. These idiots relish in their media time and they further enjoy and encourage confrontations. I have many funerals to attend when I get back to the US. I think that this law should be passed. Quite simply, in order to protect the protestors from due harm. After spending a year in Ramadi I think I just might act a little aggressively to someone chanting and spitting on one of my young Marines bodies moving to his final resting place. The irony is that the Marine died protecting the very right to protest. If it were my son or brother, I would call his unit and have the entire Battalion or Company attend the funeral. If they were too far away then I would go to the local National Guard or a Reserve Center, find someone who wears a uniform. When these protestors show up simply march up to them, online, and stand nose to nose, with military discipline, and HOLD THE LINE. Let them know how truly insignificant and pathetic they are. When, if, I get back to California, this will be the solution for me and my Marines and their families. I think most of the commentary on this board is accurate though. This will be a constitutional debate. I think under the fighting words clause this could gain some traction, simply due to when I first read about these anti-Americans, I wanted to kill them. I wanted to go to their home and plant an IED in their living room and remove their infection from the earth. Then I could leave a letter on a sign saying this explosion was GODS RETRIBUTION. And today, as I stand over the body of a fellow Marine, 18 years old, with no lower torso due to an IED blast, I am reminded that he was a devout Christian with a wife and a new baby boy and that he doesnÂ’t and will never deserve this kind of disrespect. The first amendment is a honorable thing and should be upheld at the cost of human life. So should the freedom to practice religion, a Christian burial, also be protected. Something is always being infringed upon. It is up to us, the voting public, to decide when enough is enough. How far will we let things go? When is it TOO far? I am a simple man with simple ways, but I know this; these people have caused a lot of pain to good American people. Sooner or laterÂ…what goes around, comes around! The Gunny

Posted by: The Gunny at March 22, 2006 02:08 PM (UItaE)

30 or we just shoot CS Grenades at them until they run away, either way... The Gunny

Posted by: The Gunny at March 22, 2006 02:13 PM (UItaE)

31 Thank you for your service Gunny. My respects to any fallen fellow Marines. G-D's speed to you Gunny, and any active duty Marine.

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 22, 2006 05:20 PM (D2g/j)

32 Thanks,Leatherneck and if I am reading your call-sign correctly, Semper Fidelis.

Posted by: The Gunny at March 23, 2006 03:05 AM (UItaE)

33 Amendment I Â“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Â” Do people actually know what the first amendment says? The Gunny said it right; the protestors in question are infringing on the first sentence of the First Amendment. The establishment of religion and the free exercise thereof. Every funeral I have been to, have been religious in nature and the protesting is affecting the "spiritual healing" that takes place. Is it condonable for a one constitutional freedom to affect another?

Posted by: Jacobite at March 23, 2006 03:24 AM (UItaE)

34 Regarding Jacobite's post above, I think that this argument won't work because *private citizens* (i.e. the protesters) are prohibiting the free exercise of religion, not the *government*. The post by davec on March 20th is probably the key to this. I don't think this "church" has any interest in actually making a point, but rather they want to be restricted, beaten up, arrested, etc. Then, they can sue. This is a money-making venture, not a political statement. What is the penalty for wrongful citizen's arrest? Suppose that well-meaning citizens detained the protesters and took them to jail. I think a strong case could be made by the citizens that they did this simply by their interpretation of hate crime laws. It might actually not even be illegal. I mean, how is it that the statements the protesters make are not assault? Aren't there laws on the books regarding this? JT

Posted by: Jonas Tesla at April 04, 2006 02:05 PM (G/OqP)

35 I'm no fan of Howard Stern, but why is it that offensive speech is protected for these bozos and not Stern? That's a minor aside. Okay... I think I've got it. I'm pretty sure that those "protesters" are in it for money. Perhaps the way to fight this is simply to pass a federal law that prohibits people from monetary compensation from lawsuits that allege restriction of free speech unless they can prove that there was a financial loss due to the restriction. Better yet, suppose that a law was passed that any monetary damages from awarded in restriction-of-freedom-of-speech lawsuits would have to be donated to fund AIDS research! That covers both bases... eh? Ha! JT

Posted by: Jonas Tesla at April 04, 2006 02:18 PM (G/OqP)

36 I attended one of the fallen soldiers funerals last month. I'm in no way religious and I'm against war, but the vicous nature of the Westboro Baptist Church & their protests tore me apart inside. The WBC never showed up, but the Patriot Guard Riders did. I held flags with men, women and children to honor the grieving families and their recent tragedy. As friends and family made their way from the funeral service to the cemetary on a flag-lined road, mostly all of them were crying. They waved at us, mouthing the words 'thank you' & 'god bless'. I know I did the right thing. I'm working on a paper about Fred Phelps & the WBC for a world religions class. I wanted to thank everyone involved with this discussion. You really helped me to understand the issue at hand.

Posted by: just a girl at April 25, 2006 08:18 PM (EIO3f)

37 Hey folks, I've never posted here before. I applaud the passing of this act. Having grown up a military dependant, I've been to lots of funerals, and I think people need space to heal. However, as a member of the LGBT community (and a Christian) I can't help but feel slighted by our legislature. Somehow, it has been perfectly okay for the Phelps cult to hate and hurt our community at funerals for years, but now that dominant culture folks have to deal with him, it's a horrible thing? My only grace in this is that there are LGBT folks who serve in our military, and should they die in service to our country, at least they won't have to put up with Phelps at their funeral. I'm glad this happened to the Phelps crew, but I wish the very awesome veterans group who protects the grieving families from this cult would come to protect all of us. Have a good day.

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March 14, 2006

ACLU Rides to the Rescue of Veterans' Funeral Desecraters

Yesterday I wrote about the disgusting inbred gaggle of hicks who make up the Westboro Baptist Church, and get their sick kicks picketing the funerals of soldiers killed in the War on Terror.

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1 I can't believe so much time and interest is spent on this wacky little CULT that apparently has lost Jim Jones special brew recipe.

Posted by: hondo at March 14, 2006 12:56 PM (9pQ6D)

2 Amazingly there are people who still believe the ACLU is a fine, upstanding pro-America legal association. I notice when they're suing the Government for percieved separation of Church and State cases they make the news, while their defense of Gitmo detainee's, NAMBLA and now GHF/Westborough doesn't get anywhere near the attention.

Posted by: davec at March 14, 2006 01:02 PM (CcXvt)

3 No big surprise. The ACLU attacks mainstream America and fights for vile repugnant scum like this.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 14, 2006 01:16 PM (8e/V4)

4 In 1998, Fred Phelps ran for governor as a DEMOCRAT! I shit you not. Perhaps thats why the ACLU likes this guy!

Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at March 14, 2006 01:41 PM (+BgKd)

5 There is also photographs all over the Internet of Fred Phelps taken with Al Gore.

Posted by: davec at March 14, 2006 01:45 PM (CcXvt)

6 Gore and Phelps. Isn't that special?

Posted by: Oyster at March 14, 2006 02:12 PM (g9UJq)

7 Oyster Remember the photo of Jim Jones and the Carters late 70's.

Posted by: hondo at March 14, 2006 03:28 PM (9pQ6D)

8 Leave it to the lowlife sidewinders at the SAN FRANCISCO based ACLU Atheists.Communists,and Lunatics.Underground to came to the aid of these scum the ACLU is americas AL QUEDA who uses lawyers rather then bombs to get what they want

Posted by: sandpiper at March 14, 2006 03:29 PM (O2c+K)

9 Just like my grandmother used to say, "Birds of a feather flock together."

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 14, 2006 03:31 PM (rUyw4)

10 I hate to defend these scumbag protesters - not to mention the ACLU - but these people do have a First Amendment right to say stupid things in public. I'm not a big fan of time, place, and manner restrictions and that is what these law amount to - classic First Amendment case. As a wise man once said, the proper remedy is more speech not restricting speech. But then again, I'm a bit of a First Amendment absolutist.

Posted by: KG at March 14, 2006 03:50 PM (SZsz5)

11 KG, there is no such thing as an absolute 1st amendment right.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 14, 2006 04:16 PM (8e/V4)

12 And there is also no problem with local lawmakers passing ordinances placing buffer zones around cemetaries and such places. They don't have a problem passing laws that keep bars so many feet away from churches. And alcohol is not against the law. The problem is that local goverments are too lax in protecting their constituents from scum like the Phelps family and too busy trying to seize property for the tax benefit. What kills me is that the ACLU an others have no problem imagining a privacy clause in the Constitution for abortion, but not for families trying to bury their dead.

Posted by: Oyster at March 14, 2006 04:51 PM (YudAC)

13 So, the ACLU stands up for gay-haters who protest the funerals of soldiers, but not for gay-haters who protest at gay festivals? Typical.

Posted by: RepJ at March 14, 2006 06:15 PM (y6n8O)

14 I think I remember people who misused the word of God for their own purpose that was ungodly. What where they? Oh yes, know I remember, Pharisees!

Posted by: Catholicgauze at March 14, 2006 11:15 PM (UA1kS)

15 Why don't we get 421 lawyers and go help out ACLU. I'll be security.

Posted by: forest hunter at March 15, 2006 05:52 AM (Fq6zR)

16 I am sad to say that I attended the wake and funeral of a Marine LT. about 18 months ago. There were at least 100 men in uniform at the funeral, most of them Marines. I would think that for the safety of the protesters a buffer should be established. I have no problem imagining the Marines stomping the protesters into little piles of puke on the sidwalk... I would argue that their protest is nothing more than an attempt to incite a riot. Be careful of what you wish for because you just might get it.

Posted by: Babs at March 15, 2006 07:03 AM (iZZlp)

17 JC, I said I'm a bit of an absolutist, I didn't say there was an absolute right under the First Amendment (shouting fire in a crowded theather and the like). But this is political speech, dispicable political speech, but political speech nonetheless. Oyster, the buffer zones you talk about with bars and churches has to do with zoning laws, an entirely different issue from First Amendment rights. My problem is the notion of "free speech zones". We're seeing it more and more, you have something that might offend somebody, then you can say it, just not where anyone can hear it. And yes, I know there is no right to be heard, but what is the point of having the right to speak if there is no one to hear you? As I said before, what these people are doing is wrong - but that doesn't make it illegal. As far as the ACLU goes, well, I have to keep it PG-13, so nevermind. And again, I think the best thing people can do is find out where the pukes are protesting and line up on the other side of the street (or even better, in front of them) and let the families know that there are plenty of people out there that support them and thank them for their sacrafice.

Posted by: KG at March 15, 2006 11:09 AM (SZsz5)

18 KG I tend to agree - it is free speech - but like shouting fire in a theater there is another term for this speech - it's called fighting words. Maybe we should discuss the right to use "fighting words" and the right to fight. Seems this group and the ACLU is obsessed with the right to use "fighting words" in an attempt to prevoke that reaction - but then want to pussy out and want protection to prevent that reaction. Where's the freedom in that? Actions are a form of free speech! I know this because "Liberal courts" have told me so! That's the problem with the new left - they want to act, look, and be tough - but then go limp and start to whine on 'bout being "passive" "civil" etc. It's Freedom baby! Put'em up or shut up! Gotta love freedom and free speech!

Posted by: hondo at March 15, 2006 12:27 PM (9pQ6D)

19 That chick in the photo - yeah - I think I can pop her in the kisser - I'm givin' about 30 years n' she's probably in better shape than I. Wow! Spewin' disgusting fighting words about my fallen brothers AND HOMOSEXUALS! Hell! I'd smack her! - for both! Guess that makes me kinda liberal for a day.

Posted by: hondo at March 15, 2006 12:34 PM (9pQ6D)

20 KG, I understand. It was a bad analogy. But there still needs to be a solution. Simply citing the Constitution does little to solve a real problem. This isn't just cartoons in a newspaper hurting delicate sensibilities. We enjoy free speech, but we are not guaranteed a platform for it anywhere we want.

Posted by: Oyster at March 15, 2006 01:41 PM (g9UJq)

21 Oyster I have some reservations about hitting a woman - would you punch out that bitch for me - please?

Posted by: hondo at March 15, 2006 03:08 PM (9pQ6D)

22 Let me at her!

Posted by: Oyster at March 15, 2006 06:46 PM (YudAC)

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March 12, 2006

When Madness Masquerades As Religion

Not Islamists this time, but creatures who claim to be Christians.

From Agence France Presse:

Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq
Five women sang and danced as they held up signs saying "thank God for dead soldiers" at the funeral of an army sergeant who was killed by an Iraqi bomb.
For them, it was the perfect way to spread God's word: America was being punished for tolerating homosexuality.

This is nothing but a game to gain publicity for the so-called "Westboro Baptist Church", which is really a cult run by Fred Phelps and his family. Maybe they'll eventually take the route of the Jim Jones cult. One can only hope.

The good news...while the Westboro Baptist cult has about 100 members, the bikers of The Patriot Guard Riders are now 16,000 strong.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 Whats the difference between a cult and a religion? I suppose its that a cult pisses you off. Anyway, gogo atheism etc. One question, though - isn't a funeral held on private property? Why wern't these people asked to leave and then arrested for trespassing?

Posted by: MiB at March 12, 2006 01:07 PM (VeYWn)

2 Even more insidious than a Cult, most of the WBC family are Lawyers (Fred is disbarred). Now I wonder, how could they get themselves assaulted in order to sue a municipality.

Posted by: davec at March 12, 2006 01:09 PM (CcXvt)

3 If you think that's a stretch: Fred Phelps sues City for seven million Dollars

Posted by: davec at March 12, 2006 01:17 PM (CcXvt)

4 >>>The good news...the Westboro Baptist cult [only] has about 100 members and for good reason.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 12, 2006 01:20 PM (8e/V4)

5 This exceeds the decent bounds of free speech by any measure; they all need their heads busted and left lying on the side of the road. And I hope they sue me over this comment, because then, I'll know where to find them.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 12, 2006 01:26 PM (0yYS2)

6 For once I agree with you Max. That's scary. .

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 01:58 PM (CnDtU)

7 Cue Twilight Zone music.

Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2006 01:59 PM (CnDtU)

8 >>>For once I agree with you Max. That's scary. Notice it takes the word "christian" to get a Leftwing moonbat to agree with Maxie wanting to bust heads. Replace that with "muslim" and the same moonbat goes all pacifist on us. My god you people are so easy to figure out.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 12, 2006 02:20 PM (8e/V4)

9 We don't appreciate sock puppets here - Bluto

Posted by: A Young Man of Exquisite Grace at March 12, 2006 02:23 PM (y+196)

10 Nice try "Warrior for Christ", "USA Patriot" you're easier to spot that a Cheetah.

Posted by: davec at March 12, 2006 02:27 PM (CcXvt)

11 Again shut the fuck up. I was telling Max that I agree that we shouldn't insult our soldiers that are dying out there. We should be honoring them My father was in them military for many years. He almost went to Vietnam. Stop calling me a liberal you stupid ass motherfucker.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 02:45 PM (CnDtU)

12 There is no warrior for christ in this blog. Perhaps I should speak english. I'm a catholic. My Dad was a Marine for many years so I sympathise with you. All I've been saying was that not all muslims want to kill people. I knew several arabs personally when I was in school. My doctor is an Indian. I'm not looking for any trouble. I didn't call Bush Hitler like that teacher. I'm not like those stupid CPT hostages that want to hug the terrorists. Jesus Christ, I can't say anything on this blog without being called a far left moonbat.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 02:51 PM (CnDtU)

13 Robert: My post was to "Marine Father" who's post is exactly on the same level as the posts made to this site by "Warrior for Christ" and "USA Patriot" (nicknames) I was not referencing your post.

Posted by: davec at March 12, 2006 02:55 PM (CcXvt)

14 Oh, well I wasn't cursing at you Davec. I was cursing at the asshole Jesusland carlos who keeps calling me a moonbat. I have to stop posting on political blogs. I end up being called a moonbat. I also get told to fuck off. Maximus might also want to rape my corpse like he told the last kid who posted here. My dear mom might be called a whore. What a life I live. At least Rusty is cool. That's why I visit this blog.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 03:03 PM (CnDtU)

15 Robert: are you sure he wasn't calling Jill Carroll a moonbat? I did not get the feeling he addressed you as a moonbat. perhaps I am mistaken.

Posted by: davec at March 12, 2006 03:07 PM (CcXvt)

16 Robert, you should live up to your name and verbally "savage" him.

Posted by: Don Miguel at March 12, 2006 03:10 PM (UAn5X)

17 Yeah, you are. He called me a moonbat because I agreed with Maximus. In any case anyone who calls Jill Carroll a moonbat is a retard who should be shot on site. She's going through enough right now. Insulting her political views is not the right thing to do.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 03:13 PM (CnDtU)

18 Also disagreeing with Maxie is a death sentence. I avoid him at all costs.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 03:14 PM (CnDtU)

19 This isn't even my real name. I just thought it up.

Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 03:17 PM (CnDtU)

20 Yeah if you go through many aliases. No one knows who you are.

Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2006 03:19 PM (CnDtU)

21 Oh no, you can disagree with me all you like, but you'd better have a good argument armed and ready.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 12, 2006 03:58 PM (0yYS2)

22 Robert, don't worry about it. Continue to comment and say what you truly believe. I would rather know someone who is honest and who I might disagree with occasionally than know someone who is a fake and agrees with me all the time. And I think most people on this blog feel the same way.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 12, 2006 04:04 PM (rUyw4)

23 >>>Jesus Christ, I can't say anything on this blog without being called a far left moonbat. hahaha! That was too funny!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 12, 2006 04:07 PM (8e/V4)

24 I think WFC may have been one of them. We've done several posts on these giant walking rectums now. Speaking of Fred's bunch of course.

Posted by: Howie at March 12, 2006 04:28 PM (D3+20)

25 These jerks need to have someone spray them with skunk oil and limburger cheese and garlic and onion this would realy make them show up in a crown especialy the smell they would leave

Posted by: sandpiper at March 12, 2006 07:39 PM (D9h75)

26 As a Christian, I repudiate Westboro's actions. Like Wafa said, "You can worship stones as long as you don't throw them at me."

Posted by: RepJ at March 12, 2006 08:31 PM (oHw0S)

27 Yes, all Phelps' gang are lawyers who are itching for someone to assault them so they can sue... SO, (not that I'm advocating anything, you understand), If someone WERE to do something to these idiots, I'd suggest a quick-maximum-damage-hit-and-egress so they won't have anyone to litigate against. If cops ask for witnesses, just have some planted buddies in the crowd describe Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at March 13, 2006 05:06 AM (maXzk)

28 SOTG, that's a pretty good strategy. Why don't *I* ever get the good ideas?

Posted by: Oyster at March 13, 2006 06:34 AM (YudAC)

29 These people are repulsive

Posted by: sandpiper at March 13, 2006 09:28 AM (7/75z)

30 SonOf: They would just sue the city they're hosted in, for failing to protect them during the protest. They don't want to sue the individual that assaults them, they're chickenfeed -- they want to be assaulted to sue the deep pockets: cities, police forces, etc.

Posted by: davec at March 13, 2006 12:06 PM (CcXvt)

31 Do these idiots have those PRACTICE TOLERENCE stickers in the car windows? or those stupid ones which reads WAR IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN AND OTHER LIVING THINGS with the sissy pink flower on it?

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March 03, 2006

Cherry Creek School District Student Comments on Jay Bennish

Just when you thought Conservative Thinking couldn't build on the Jay Bennish story anymore here comes another doozie from the Cherry Creek School District. It's not an official of the district and it's probably not a teacher but more than likely a student of Cherry Creek Schools.

"Sam" left a comment today on one of our Jay Bennish articles. Apparently, Mr. Bennish doesn't inspire free thinking like he and his supporters believe:

I think people are over Exaugurating something little,let the guy have his freedom of speech, hes just teaching the kids to think for themselves and giving his own oppinions. All you damn people are to stupid to realize bush is like hitler

Emphasis mine. However, the reason I think it's a student that wrote this is due to the horrific grammar and spelling skills (apparently too much time spent on "geography" and not English).

This is quite disturbing for two reasons, 1) apparently the Jay Bennish indoctrination program is working and 2) my daughter will be in the Cherry Creek School District this fall.

The details on "Sam" as far as IP address go are as follows:
Translated Name: ccsd-26-214.ccsd.k12.co.us
IP Address: 166.113.26.214

I'm going to send this along to the Cherry Creek Schools to voice my concern on my daughter's behalf.

Originally Posted at

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1 He's smart enough to know "bush is like hitler", but he isn't smart enough to put together a grammatically correct sentence. I weep for the future.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 07:22 PM (8e/V4)

2 Before you do that, I would encourage you to try and find out about the school's 'Acceptable Use' policy. As a former school district technology director, I can tell you that most schools place a very strict code of conduct when using the school district's computers by both the students and the staff. Since this obviously came from one of their machines, try to see if any of the comments were in violation of the policy. The policy is usually posted on the school district website. Depending on the severity, the results can be either expulsion for a student or termination for an employee. Either way, school districts really, really dislike things like this in the news. If that doesn't work out to your satisfaction, you can usually find a pretty good watchdog group that would love to hear from you. Those groups exist to cause school districts the most amount of grief possible. One last place to try is the local paper. This is especially helpful if it is a smaller town and not a large city. Those smalltown newspapers almost always appoint themselves as an informal watchdog group through their editorial pages. There are always lots of taxpayers who will jump all over things like this because they don't like administration to begin with and think too much money is being wasted so they are always looking for a good cause.

Posted by: slug at March 03, 2006 07:24 PM (vQoK9)

3 I sent an e-mail to the school district's "CARELINE". We'll see how that turns out but their AUP is something that they should be policing and not me. You're welcome to check for yourself though and if there is a violation please feel free to send them a note. The paper's here in Aurora, CO are hardcore liberal rags. Denver isn't too much better either.

Posted by: Chris Short at March 03, 2006 07:29 PM (0OCQY)

4 I just sent the school district an email too: Your students are smart enough to know "bush is like hitler", but they aren't smart enough to put together a grammatically correct sentence. I weep for the future. Do your friggin jobs.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 07:43 PM (8e/V4)

5 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loos Any true American who watches the above, free video will recognize the fact that Bush committed 9/11 the same as his grandfather's client, Adolf Hitler(Google "Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz"), committed the Reichstag Fire. Inarguably, Bush is Hitler-redux. Schoolteacher Jay Bennish is simply putting forward thoughts that any who claim spiritual descent from the Jeffersonian Whig Founders of the United States of America should have been realizing right after they heard GHW Bush's public statement confirming his "inability" to recall his whereabouts upon hearing of President Kennedy's assassination: W's only "qualification" for office. Death for Treason

Posted by: Will Jones at March 03, 2006 07:52 PM (wToeY)

6 >>>free video It's free??? Must be good!!!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 07:59 PM (8e/V4)

7 Only a Bush deranged Leftist could possibly find a way to put Thomas Jefferson and the Kennedy assassination and Bush and Jay Bennish in the same sentence. I swear you people are mentally deranged!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 08:12 PM (8e/V4)

8 JC.. the future indeed looks grim. Just from my own observations, the kids I see walking around these days have a "dumbed-down" look about them. Can't really put my finger on it... kind of a dead, just-got-outta-prison look. It's all part of the dismal mass culture we're living in. I see these guys walking to school, and I just can't imagine them mastering biology, math.. anything. In L.A. here, somewhere around 50% of students don't graduate from high school. Now, it really doesn't take much to graduate from high school these days, and still... they can't handle it. What are these people going to do as they get older???

Posted by: Richard at March 03, 2006 08:21 PM (7KF8r)

9 I love that Will Jones comedy routine. But his joke aside, it's sad to think that there are people who think like that. Sadder still that some of them are allowed to teach such Orwellian rot to innocent children unchallenged. It surely is a sad state of affairs when you consider what these kids are NOT being taught and what they ARE being taught. The comment you posted above is just another example of the increasingly poor state of public education, the primary purpose of which is to provide the foundation for responsible citizenship. Thank GOD student Sean Allen made that tape, othewise folks like your pal might be more convincing when he says this incident is "Exaugurat[ed]."

Posted by: Mike's America at March 03, 2006 08:32 PM (SHL+1)

10 >>>Will Jones said "Death for Treason" Yes Willy, that's a great phrase, but it's ours... You can keep that Dan Rather "Courage" one. By the look of your beliefs and political views, you're going to need it.

Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at March 03, 2006 09:03 PM (t8BiH)

11 Any true American who watches the above, free video will recognize the fact that Bush committed 9/11 As an immigrant to this country, I encourage you to leave. There are a lot of people living in other countries who love America more than you do, who would kill for the chance to be here, not only that but they see less evil in this country than you evidently do. If you're think the Government killed 3,000 citizens for $$cash$$ why are you still here?

Posted by: dave at March 03, 2006 09:41 PM (CcXvt)

12 Most of our country has been brainwashed into passivity. That is the truth. The question is, what are you going to do about it? Continue to spread around lies and false information? Stand up and do what's right? Naw...just go back to watching Star Wars.

Posted by: Ficus at March 03, 2006 09:53 PM (HDTwe)

13 dave, he has no reason to leave. I'm sure he's sucking at the teat of the American taxpayer for his income. He's either collecting welfare or has a cushy government job. Before my job as a technology director, mentioned above, I worked in technology for the Justice Dept. I quit because they couldn't keep me busy and I was bored out of my skull. I was one of 5 developers who spent their day doing a lot of coffee-drinking and wondering if we would get something to work on. To a lot of those people, the only thing worse than being that bored is the thought of having their job cut because of all the dead weight. This certainly wasn't specific to the technology people at all. Chris, thanks for referring me to the AUP but I think I'll pass. I had to go thru about 50 committee meetings reading a hundred other district's AUP before going thru about 200 iterations of our own. I'm a technical guy who fell into management by being the person employed there the longest so you may be able to guess that this won't get a lot of attention from me. Thought it might give you useful insider information but I've never even read the one where I work now even though I've signed a piece of paper that says I did. It certainly isn't your job to do the policing but I had hoped it would you some ammunition if you wanted to raise a stink over it. This is why I have my kids in a private Christian school.

Posted by: slug at March 03, 2006 10:05 PM (vQoK9)

14 This type story will bring them out - but never lose sight how ineffective this teacher is in spreading his gospel. The new left judges its "successes" by our reaction - rather than whether they were actually successful. They are a pathetic lot once you get past the anger they sometimes bring out in some of us. Performance art on a classroom stage - that's all it is. So a few students seem "suduced" - forget'em and notice that the overwhelming majority just yawn and stroll away.

Posted by: hondo at March 03, 2006 10:20 PM (fyKFC)

15 >>>The new left judges its "successes" by our reaction Truly a mark of their patheticness. Just like PETA knows we think they're a total joke, but they don't care as long as they can get a rise out of people. PATHETIC. It's almost like they revolve around us for their existence, like the Earth revolving around the Sun or something like that. They define themselves by being opposed to us, not by having any real core. That's how they can march for "peace", but also support terrorists! They have no core.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 10:34 PM (8e/V4)

16 Slug, you and I work in the same field. I personally enjoy the challenges that arise in the tech field, and just like you would be bored if I had nothing to do

Posted by: dave at March 03, 2006 10:41 PM (CcXvt)

17 I sent off an email too and also told my friends at work how they should do this as well. Thanks for your posting about this.

Posted by: Wild Thing at March 03, 2006 10:49 PM (tj1zH)

18 If anyone can present a convincing argument as to why liberals should not all be rounded up and hanged, I would love to hear it.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 03, 2006 11:12 PM (0yYS2)

19 It'd be a big mess.

Posted by: Chris Short at March 03, 2006 11:18 PM (0OCQY)

20 >>>If anyone can present a convincing argument as to why liberals should not all be rounded up and hanged, I would love to hear it. lmao! Love it. But I know some very nice Liberals who probably would agree that this Bennish fellow is a disgrace. It's really the Left that I hate. Libs just annoy me, like a fly or mosquito annoys me. Leftists, on the other hand are like roaches. Vile creatures. Those are the ones you chase around the kitchen floor trying to squash. No mercy.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 03, 2006 11:38 PM (8e/V4)

21 "However, the reason I think it's a student that wrote this is due to the horrific grammar and spelling skills" Nice work ace!

Posted by: foo at March 03, 2006 11:55 PM (/m4ss)

22 IM: You have fanmail @ http://blog.mu.nu/cgi/splorp.cgi?entry_id=161392

Posted by: dave at March 04, 2006 12:30 AM (CcXvt)

23 Carlos, difference or no, I hate them all for gross, negligent stupidity if nothing else; they should be removed from the gene pool for the sake of humanity.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 04, 2006 05:39 AM (0yYS2)

24 Thanks dave; I didn't get time yesterday evening, and don't this morning either now, but this evening is all mine, and so is the little bitch mason.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 04, 2006 05:42 AM (0yYS2)

25 I listened to the audio of TEACHER CAUGHT IN BUSH RANT, with great interest. Also, with sadness. My name is Michael Class. I live in the Seattle area with my wife and two children. I am a retired "dot-com" executive turned author, photographer, and publisher. I was appalled at how some teachers presented American history to my children. My son and daughter learned that Thomas Jefferson had slavesÂ—before they learned that he wrote the document articulating our rights and duties as free people. European settlers killed Native Americans with blankets infected with smallpox, they found out. That allegation upstaged the stories of courage, perseverance, and curiosity that defined the pioneers. My children knew that more than a hundred thousand people died when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan, but they were not made to understand the moral context and the enormous scale of the conflict called World War II in which the atomic bomb story fit. With a curriculum seemingly designed to instill guilt and shame, I wondered, how will my kids ever discover the lessons of history that inspire greatness and noble aspirations? Will they ever believe that they can make a difference? Will they have any heroes left at all? Then, I wondered: What would the heroes of AmericaÂ’s past say to the children of today? I wrote, photographed, and published a book designed to set the record straight, to properly prepare our children for the future. My book is called Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. If anyone knows where I can reach 10th-grader Sean Allen, I will gladly send him a FREE copy of my book. He did the right thing. My book specifically rebuts the positions taken by teacher Jay Bennish - because I have heard his arguments so many times before. My book tells the truth about capitalism, the War on Terror, and places them in historical perspective. In the book, my real-life son, twelve-year-old Anthony, time-travels into the great events of the 20th century. Digital photographic Â“magicÂ” places Anthony in the cockpit of the Spirit of St. Louis with Charles Lindbergh, on the moon with Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, in the laboratories of Thomas Edison and Jonas Salk, and on Normandy beach on D-Day. It looks as though Anthony really did meet Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, FDR, Lou Gehrig, Charles Lindbergh, and Audie Murphy. And itÂ’s all historically accurate: Even AnthonyÂ’s conversations with AmericaÂ’s heroes are based on things they really said. While writing and photographing the book, I spoke with relatives of famous scientists and inventors, Holocaust survivors, award-winning biographers, and others who could help me ensure that the facts of the book were both accurate and vivid. But the book goes beyond a simple recitation of historical facts: the book presents the moral lessons of American history. The chapter about LindberghÂ’s flight is really about choosing oneÂ’s destiny. The story of Lou Gehrig is one of a virtuous life. The chapter about Thomas Edison is really about business. The story of Apollo 11 is about wonder, taking risks, and courage. The story of Dr. Jonas Salk and the cure for polio is really about dedicating oneÂ’s life to a higher purpose. When Anthony Â“meetsÂ” his immigrant great-grandfather at Ellis Island in 1907, itÂ’s really a story about what it means to be an American. AnthonyÂ’s observation of D-Day and the liberation of the death camps during the Holocaust is a testament to the reality of evil and the need to fight it. The book is meant to challenge the young reader. Many adults will find the book challenging, too. Anthony COMPARES the people and events of the past with the people and events of his own time. Anthony discusses the nature of good and evil, right and wrong, war and peace, what it means to be an American, honor and discipline, success and achievement, courage and destiny, marriage and family, God and purpose. AnthonyÂ’s observations prompt serious discussion of timeless moral questions. Anthony challenges the reader to think critically - to see the modern world in the light of the lessons of the past. We can't afford to raise a generation of Americans who do not value their country, their heritage, and their place in the world. As Abraham Lincoln said: America is the "last best hope of earth." Thank you. Michael S. Class Author / Photographer / Publisher Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame: An American History Book for Right-Thinking Parents and Their Children ----------------------- E-Mail: class@MagicPictureFrame.com Web site: www.MagicPictureFrame.com

Posted by: Michael Class at March 04, 2006 10:15 AM (uQ06v)

26 Thanx Michael. I just ordered your book. I have two young grandkids who will certainly need to be armed and ready when they start school.

Posted by: Oyster at March 04, 2006 10:56 AM (YudAC)

27 Have you thought of private school? Even if you aren't say, Catholic, private schools offer a better education and most don't ram religion down anyone's throat.

Posted by: Pka at March 04, 2006 11:29 AM (UA1kS)

28 Real student opinions of Jay Bennish: http://www.ratemyteachers.com/schools/colorado/aurora/overland_high_school/jay__bennish

Posted by: MPH at March 05, 2006 05:09 PM (ES09B)

29 Why would you subject your daughter to government schools? We are a people who aspire to freedom and the ideal of a limited government. What incentive do government schools have to teach these principals? Home school your daughter or send her to private school. You have no higher earthly obligation than your children except to love their mother.

Posted by: Jericho at March 05, 2006 05:20 PM (5vEOE)

30 Jericho, who are you talking to? My daughter is 28. She has two small children not even in school yet.

Posted by: Oyster at March 05, 2006 08:50 PM (YudAC)

31 Why are so many of you afraid of exposing high school students to the other side of the story? Why are you so afaid of them knowing about Jefferson's slaves? Do you fear that truth will make them less patriotic? Is patriotism based upon brain- washing and lies? For generations, kids "learned" from texts and teachers who presented only one, incomplete side of the story of our country. How many people over the age of 25 ever saw a photo of a black soldier in the Civil War, or in the World Wars? That's one example of something kids weren't taught in schools. At least we're making progress. Bennish might have crossed a line in his attempt to get his students to think, but only in the current political environment of stifling opposing ideas (and truth) in order to prevent people from knowing too much and perhaps questioning the current admin's action would it be a crime for a teacher to exhort his students to "think for themselves." Why aren't we hearing the same fuss over conservative teachers who are using the classroom to insist on THEIR agenda? What is it about conservatives that they go for blood in a situation like this?

Posted by: Brian at March 06, 2006 07:25 AM (MtlCh)

32 Brian, you're kidding, right? Did you listen to the rant? He wasn't encouraging students to think for themselves, but was doing just the opposite, trying to brainwash the kids with his own political dogma. How is this encouraging students to think for themselves?

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 08:57 AM (rUyw4)

33 Brian fully supports the positions and statements of Mr Bennish. To him Mr Bennish's positions and statements are gospel - pure fact - undeniable - and must be desiminated to all till they accept their truth. The fact that it is all part of a political philospophy under contention is irrelevant - and questioning it is same. Problem is they can't seem to get enough people to listen and agree with them - so - they target the people's children in a controlled mandatory environment to preach their gospel without interference from those so annoying reactionary parents. Intellectual pedophilia - it fits.

Posted by: hondo at March 06, 2006 01:47 PM (fyKFC)

34 Here we go, conservatives posting their straw man lies and distortions to distract from the truth. Where did I say I completely support Mr. Bennish's actions? Without all the facts who can either fully support or fully condemn? You are leaping on the Limbaugh wagon, and thereby revealing your desire to find a liberal to burn at the stake. No one has addressed this from my earlier message: Why aren't we hearing the same fuss over conservative teachers who are using the classroom to insist on THEIR agenda? What is it about conservatives that they go for blood in a situation like this?

Posted by: Brian at March 06, 2006 03:33 PM (MtlCh)

35 Give me an example of a conservative trying to brainwash their students. I will condemn them.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 06, 2006 05:59 PM (rUyw4)

36 As a retired history and geography teacher, I am dismayed at the number of people who do not understand what the study of geography includes. A number of Americans seem to believe it is simply the study of landforms and maps. Bennish's overly passionate lesson was not outside the geography curriculum. Geography spans many fields including the physical world, including habitat, ecology, geology, and the environment. In addition, geography concerns technology, science, religion, literature, art, and, yes, even the political world. The National Geography Standards were published in 1994 to guide geographic education in the United States. The eighteen standards shed light on what the geographically informed person should know and understand. The hope is that every student in America would become a geographically informed person through implementation of these standards in the classroom. Here are the National Geographic Standards: The World in Spatial Terms 1. How to use maps and other geographic representations, tools, and technologies to acquire, process, and report information. 2. How to use mental maps to organize information about people, places, and environments. 3. How to analyze the spatial organization of people, places, and environments on Earth's surface. Places and Regions 4. The physical and human characteristics of places. 5. That people create regions to interpret Earth's complexity. 6. How culture and experience influence people's perception of places and regions. Physical Systems 7. The physical processes that shape the patterns of Earth's surface. 8. The characteristics and spatial distribution of ecosystems on Earth's surface. Human Systems 9. The characteristics, distribution, and migration of human populations on Earth's surface. 10. The characteristics, distributions, and complexity of Earth's cultural mosaics. 11. The patterns and networks of economic interdependence on Earth's surface. 12. The process, patterns, and functions of human settlement. 13. How forces of cooperation and conflict among people influence the division and control of Earth's surface. Environment and Society 14. How human actions modify the physical environment. 15. How physical systems affect human systems. 16. The changes that occur in the meaning, use, distribution, and importance of resources. The Uses of Geography 17. How to apply geography to interpret the past. 18. To apply geography to interpret the present and plan for the future. Source: National Council for Geographic Education

Posted by: Mae at March 06, 2006 06:01 PM (q88zm)

37 Mae Yes, I understand. I have an MA in the field. That aside, what does your "above" have to do with the particulars of the Mr Bennish story? If you wish to defend him - please do so - the above information is functionally irrelevant and serves no purpose unless you wish to sidestep the story. Oh, I too am appalled at the lack of general understanding of the field of Geography - but this argument goes back over 30 years. Good argument - pity this is the wrong place for it.

Posted by: hondo at March 07, 2006 12:04 AM (fyKFC)

38 Pleez to you send me you address so we, er I can send to you delicious hamburger meal and many more beautiful gifts. We love to helping the little children and we have giant silo ( for to store the milk ) which is nearly finished building. When silo is finished building then we will end suffering for all the little children, and all of the peoples suffering everywhere. So please send to me you address and address of 10 friends. We will make sure that they are remembered. Thanks to you and Shalom! Er, I mean Later Dud! Please to excuse me spellbinding. I hav been very busy helping the poor little children and have not time to go to school to learn spellbinding.

Posted by: Children'sMilkFund at March 09, 2006 02:11 PM (Y2ILH)

39 What is the most important information I should know about Clonazepam? Ã¢Â€Â¢ Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Clonazepam will cause drowsiness and may cause dizziness. If you experience drowsiness or dizziness, avoid these activities. Ã¢Â€Â¢ Use alcohol cautiously. Alcohol may increase drowsiness and dizziness while you are taking Clonazepam. Alcohol may also increase your risk of having a seizure. Ã¢Â€Â¢ Do not stop taking Clonazepam suddenly. This could cause seizures and withdrawal symptoms. Talk to your doctor if you need to stop treatment with Clonazepam. What is Clonazepam? Ã¢Â€Â¢ Clonazepam is in a class of drugs called benzodiazepines. Clonazepam affects chemicals in your brain that may become unbalanced and cause seizures. Ã¢Â€Â¢ Clonazepam is used to treat seizures. Ã¢Â€Â¢ Clonazepam may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.

Posted by: CLONAZEPAM at April 08, 2006 10:09 AM (LUNaJ)

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