August 30, 2005
Reuters Crew Shot in Baghdad (UPDATED
Here is an update on this incident from a reader:
The cameraman in question was shot by soldiers in my son's unit. First hand reports are that the moron sped into the middle of a firefight, jumped out of his car and threw up to his shoulder a TV or Movie camera with a sound boom and telephoto lens.
It was [understandably considering the circumstances] mistaken for an RPG and the moron quickly became the late moron.
Incidentally, this crew was told beforehand NOT to go into the area of the firefight, as it was entirely too dangerous.
After a post-battle debriefing and investigation, the soldiers were determined to have adhered properly to the rules of engagement, and were found innocent of any wrongdoing.
Actually, the first hand report was: "Some dumb b**tard came up to us in a speeding car, jumped out and pointed his camera at us. We thought it was an RPG and lit him up."
Perhaps Reporters Without Borders should be complaining about Reuters not training their crews to have some common sense instead of seething against the U.S.
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Media as terrorists/terrorists as media; either way, propaganda is propaganda, and the enemy is the enemy. I think a few more dead reporters only makes the world a better place.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 29, 2005 11:06 AM (0yYS2)
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I suppose you have to be sort of brain damaged to not realize that the US fully supports freedom of the press while those fighting against us, do not. Why then, would organizations such as this be doing so much to harm our war efforts?
My guess - Anti-American press sells. Simple as that.
Posted by: Defense Guy at August 29, 2005 11:08 AM (jPCiN)
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al-Rooters terrorist embeds shot? WOW I am shocked.
Posted by: bill at August 29, 2005 11:27 AM (7evkT)
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Silly "pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword" cameraman, a shoulder mounted camera looks an awfull lot like a weapon.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at August 29, 2005 11:41 AM (lKqPU)
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Apparently this guy was unclear on the meaning of the phrase "In harm's way".
Posted by: Brian B at August 29, 2005 11:43 AM (CouWh)
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what did they want???...a loune chair to sit in the sun so they could work on a tan???....gimme a break...treated like a dog???..i dont know them Muslims well, but i treat my dog very well, feed him twice a day and he gets plenty of exercise out in the sun all day long....poor poor wittle bitty Muslims gotta go oh boohoo!!! woe is us!!!...makes me sick to listen to grown men whine like my 4 year old daughter
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The cameraman in question was shot by soldiers in my son's unit. First hand reports are that the moron sped into the middle of a firefight, jumped out of his car and threw up to his shoulder a TV or Movie camera with a sound boom and telephoto lens.
It was [understandably considering the circumstances] mistaken for an RPG and the moron quickly became the late moron.
Incidentally, this crew was told beforehand NOT to go into the area of the firefight, as it was entirely too dangerous.
After a post-battle debriefing and investigation, the soldiers were determined to have adhered properly to the rules of engagement, and were found innocent of any wrongdoing.
Actually, the first hand report was: "Some dumb b**tard came up to us in a speeding car, jumped out and pointed his camera at us. We thought it was an RPG and lit him up."
Posted by: Charlie at August 30, 2005 03:22 PM (p5UVE)
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hmmm, sounds like the gene pool got a little deeper! . . .
Posted by: large at August 30, 2005 05:47 PM (Ny1Tj)
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Journalism at it's finest, recklessly risked their lives to get the front page story.
Too bad they went out looking for a story and ended up being ‘the story’.
We really need more bold reporters like these, war sells like hell.
Posted by: Ren at August 30, 2005 06:51 PM (7ZsmI)
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See. They'd be a whole lot safer if they were covering stories on the new school built or the new hospital equipment and neighborhoods getting back to normal with electricity and proper running sewers. But no! Gotta run into the middle of a gun fight, git his ass blown up and then let al-Rueters portray the US as the bad guys AGAIN.
Funny how Austin Bay and guys like him get around fine and have tons of things to report on in the progress being made.
Posted by: Oyster at August 30, 2005 08:43 PM (YudAC)
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Carrying water for the splodeydopes is getting to be a dangerous business. I wonder, can we send Woodward and Bernstein to cover Iraq?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2005 09:06 PM (0yYS2)
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all forms of media = propaganda = manipulative missinformation that should be forever removed from the face of the earth
According to this brilliant sentence proven by misuse of logic calculations (with which I undeniably mathematically disproved all gods a while ago, except of course the possibility that there's a preprogrammed, leftover of communal evolution alter-ego called god controlling people to make them work better as a group), all forms of media should be removed, and people should live in ignorance.
Posted by: A Finn at August 31, 2005 04:10 AM (cWMi4)
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Thomas Jefferson said that if you read nothing but newspapers, you'd be better off reading nothing at all. It's scary how right he was.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 31, 2005 04:53 PM (0yYS2)
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"I suppose you have to be sort of brain damaged to not realize that the US fully supports freedom of the press while those fighting against us, do not. Why then, would organizations such as this be doing so much to harm our war efforts?"
Not really brain damaged, no. The thought that a dickhead such as yourself has any idea what freedom of the press actually means is genuinely beyond comprehension. One of the Reuters cameramen killed in Iraq was a dear friend of mine. I sincerely hope a friend of yours is killed by a trigger-happy poorly-trained pig-ignorant "soldier" who decided a hotel was a legitimate target for his tank, then maybe you'll begin to appreciate why comments like "hmmm, sounds like the gene pool got a little deeper" just make people hate americans all the more.
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Hey Dave,
Maybe your dear friend should have realized that when you drive to an attack that you take your life at risk....particularily when you've been advised of an attack on Coalition Forces. By the way the soldiers were not pig ignorant by any means. They responded within the rules of engagement and if Reuters will never learn that the conic shaped microphones on their cameras look like RPG warheads, then I guess that they should be prepared to keep open vacancies because apparently they did not learn after Mazen Dana.
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Good News from Iraq
Chrenkoff posting
here and
here. Since my site is usually devoted to bad news, it might do your soul some good to go read all the good things that aren't being reported in Iraq.
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Off topic and you have my apologies for it.
Where's the United Nations and the rest of the world right now?
You know, the same people who referred to the US as "stingy."
Just asking.
Posted by: elliott at August 30, 2005 02:18 PM (XlQVK)
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Thinking of those "news" as uncreditable personal experiences not reflectable to common behaviour methods of {enter random Usa part}.
Posted by: A Finn at August 31, 2005 04:14 AM (cWMi4)
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Answering Questions About Iraq
John Hawkins is in classic form as he attempts to
answer 10 FAQs about Iraq. The questions are:
1) Some people are saying that Iraq's Constitution will lead to a theocracy.
Is that true?
2) Well, if it's a pretty good Constitution, why aren't the Sunnis on board?
3) So, since the Sunnis oppose the Constitution, does that mean it will be
voted down in October?
4) What happens if the Constitution is rejected by the Iraqi people in
October?
5) Would it be a significant setback for the US if the Constitution were
rejected by the Iraqis?
6) What is "victory" in Iraq?
7) Do US forces have to destroy the insurgency to win?
Well, why aren't all these troops trained already? What's the hold up?
9) Ok, so the Iraqis are making progress. What does that mean for our
troops? When can they start to come home?
10) That sounds good in theory, but can our military hold up under the
pressure? Are we wrecking the military by keeping them in Iraq under the
current circumstances?
Go check it out.
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August 29, 2005
Terrorists Murder 15 Civilians in Iraq
Al Jazeera has enough chutzpah to call the men who executed 15 civilians '
fighters'. Unfortunately I don't have enough chutzpah to call al Jazeera a news organization. Instead, I'll settle for propaganda arm of murdering terrorists.
Cindy Sheehan's freedom fighters at it again.......
Al Jazeera:
Fighters have executed 15 Iraqis after ambushing their vehicle on a road north of the city of Falluja, police said.
The armed men ordered the passengers out of the vehicle and lined them up before shooting them in daylight on Sunday afternoon, police on Monday quoted witnesses as saying.
They did not specify whether the victims were civilians or off-duty security personnel but said they were believed to be from the neighbouring town of Saqlawiyah, in the Sunni Triangle.
Pools of blood covered the scene of the attack on the desert road, next to empty cases of pistol and AK-47 machine gun bullets, suggesting that the victims were shot from close range, an AFP correspondent reported.
The road was blocked for nearly 10 hours until tribesmen from the neighbouring Sunni town of Ramadi removed the bodies, police added.
No jihadi group has yet claimed the murders.
Linked at OTB
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But its George Bush's fault! They just wanted to to be free of civilians occupying their country.
/sarcasm
Posted by: Oyster at August 29, 2005 03:59 PM (fl6E1)
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oh such brave lions of Allah!!!!...shooting UNARMED people...how brave.....how mighty you all are, you islamic warriors....with youre spines of jellow i still wonder how they can even walk upright like the rest of humanity
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Sunnis May Back Constitution
Amid all the pessimism over the Iraqi Constitution, it looks like one of the largest Sunni parties may support it in the end. Let's hope they do.
I have been arguing to my students lately that the forces lined up for and against the Iraqi Constitution are engaged in a struggle over symbolic politics. Sunnis object to the Constitution not on its merits, but because it symbolizes Iraq's defeat. The Constitution legitmizes the U.S. occupation and thus must be opposed, in their eyes. The details of federalism really don't matter.
Thankfully, symbolic politics only have subjective meanings. The same Sunnis who choose today to see the Constitution as a symbol of defeat and Arab subjegation to some Neocon-Zionst plot, may be able to view that same document in the future as a triumph of democracy over the Arab socialist fascism of the Saddam Hussein regime.
Al Jazeera:
One of Iraq's biggest Sunni parties has said it might back the country's constitution, despite calling for changes to a text agreed by the Shia-dominated parliament.
The Iraqi Islamic Party, a multi-ethnic group seen as moderate Islamist and opposed to violence, said on Monday that there was still room for negotiation on the constitution.
"We have not signed the constitution and we still have the time starting from now until the referendum comes.
"[But]we might say yes to the constitution if the disputed points are resolved," party general-secretary Tariq al-Hashmi told a news conference....
Earlier, hundreds of people marched in the city of Tikrit to protest against the constitution, witnesses said.
They carried photographs of the former president Hussein and held up banners saying "No to the Zionist-American-Iranian constitution". Some Iraqis say the Shia-led government is too close to Iran.
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hundreds marched against it....while millions voted to start it all up....who do you think matters more???...the many or the few???
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 30, 2005 12:28 AM (hcN1S)
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Three North Africans Killed in Mosul
I love news like this.
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How about this? Didja hear that a fatwa has been issued against soccer?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-8-2005_pg7_8
Posted by: NewsFaerie at August 29, 2005 12:56 PM (LZpYO)
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Yeah, but I support that fatwa. Soccer is sooo gay.......
Posted by: Rusty at August 29, 2005 12:58 PM (JQjhA)
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They've also issued a fatwa against yoga. Surprised? I didn't think so.
I did a Google news search for this story and there are only three results, all military publications. Hello, NY Times? Are yout here? LA Times? Washington Post? Hello? Anybody there? AP? al-Reuters?
[crickets]
Posted by: Oyster at August 29, 2005 01:14 PM (fl6E1)
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These jihadiots will never get it. People quickly figure out that when Free World forces are in control, it's safe to go outside and people can live a normal life, but when the jihadiots are in control, terror and oppression rule. Radical Islam is its own worst enemy, because it is nothing but a nihilistic cult of death and destruction.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 29, 2005 01:30 PM (0yYS2)
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Yah, I could see how all of those homosexual muslim men(who don't like to eat and stuff with women in public... ewww!) wouldn't want to see all those tight-bodied, verile young men in shorts. Once again, you are right, Dr. S.
Posted by: NewsFaerie at August 29, 2005 01:42 PM (LZpYO)
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my brother in law would have words with you on that Rusty....with me as well....cant stand soccer...i agree with George Carlin on this...a sport is only a sport if you can use youre hands...soccer, nope...only youre feet or youre head...scuse me, but aint that the last thing you want to be banging against something moving fast, youre SKULL???...anyways...notice how they had to hide from local Iraqis???...they know they are on borrowed time, that if the local Iraqis get them they wont be treated so nice, like the American soldiers do....no quick death there, maybe have their feet put in a fire to get some info out of them, thats what the locals would do
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 30, 2005 12:56 AM (hcN1S)
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It is people like you that will bring terrorism and destruction to our country.
Because of your extremism, the entire world hates us.
Because of your arrogance, the world has turned against us.
Because of your ignorance, many lives on innocent men and women and children will be lost, by our own troops and with our own arms.
Because of your intolerance, it's hard for us to exist with any human beings on any continent there exists.
Because of your stupidity and hate teachings, you shall reap what you sow.
So go reap your sowyal...
Shalom, you terrorists!!!
Posted by: Carter at August 30, 2005 06:44 PM (dbzU7)
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August 26, 2005
We Killed Fiddy al Qaeda
Are our soldiers as good as Cotton Hill claims? Apparently, yes. Fifty al Qaeda killed in single raid. AP:
U.S. warplanes launched multiple airstrikes Friday against a suspected "terrorist safe house" in the western Anbar province, destroying the building where up to 50 militants were believed to be hiding, the U.S. military said.
Coalition ground forces were alerted by local residents that a number of members of the terror group Al-Qaida in Iraq had gathered in an abandoned building northeast of Husaybah, near the Syrian border about 200 miles west of Baghdad.
Let's hope that bitch Zarqawi was among them. Hat tip to
Chad Evans who notes that this is the second time this week that tips from locals have led to al Qaeda arrests/killings.
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But but but they're freeeeedom fighters! They enjoy the support of the peeeeepul! Blessed Mother Sheehan said so! The peeeeepul wouldn't inform on them! This must be chimpymchitlerbushburton propaganda! The JOOOOOOOOooooOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooooozzzzz are behind it all!!!
YEEEEAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 04:05 PM (0yYS2)
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What's the over/under on the number of Iraqis in that house?
I say 15
Posted by: CUS at August 26, 2005 04:10 PM (bbXZq)
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Coalition ground forces were alerted by local residents
And in
an earlier post today:
Acting on tips from local Iraqis,
I love it.
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 04:20 PM (CouWh)
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That is fifty terrorists that we do not have to explain why they are being detained.
At what point will the ACLU figure this out and demand that they first have a trial before any bombs are dropped on them. I would think that the activites of the ACLU and others will shift military action from raiding the house and taking prisoners to just sending them back to allah and checking the ashes to see whats left on their hard drive.
Posted by: Fred Fry at August 26, 2005 04:27 PM (RPY7Q)
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Bout time we act on information instead of procrastinating
and saying geez do you think we should get the people from moveon.org's OK. Or Maybe Cindy Sheehan and her followers should be asked iif it were OK.
I say when in doubt shoot them OUT!!
Posted by: Fry Daddy at August 26, 2005 04:34 PM (MElsG)
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I know I used to be a dumb "Grunt" but where did it say we killed *any* of the SOBs? I want to believe we have started killin them. Please help me, tell me which sentence said we killed any of the alien terrorists.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 26, 2005 06:14 PM (03F0I)
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Nooooo... it was a wedding! /sarcasm
Posted by: Ariya at August 26, 2005 07:19 PM (noCGr)
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lemme do a little imatation of Agammenon from the movie Troy with a little change in the words...."LET THEM BURN!!!!...LET THE TERRORISTS BURN!!!!"...nothing like some crispy critters
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 26, 2005 11:01 PM (hcN1S)
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Yeah, everyone takes RPG's to weddings, don't they?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Wait! I thought Zarqawi was already dead? Or has he come back to life again?
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 08:38 AM (YudAC)
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What a disgrace. 50 of 'em and not one killed. No wonder we have been losing the last 7 months. Terrible.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at August 27, 2005 04:12 PM (LbyCD)
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It feels so good when jihadis die.
more please.
Posted by: Carlos at August 27, 2005 06:44 PM (3Df08)
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Who's been losing? Dummy!
Posted by: greyrooster at August 27, 2005 10:42 PM (CBNGy)
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50? That's nothin. Wait until the US backs off and the Kurds get their revenge (which you'll notice they've been warming up for).
Poor Sunni. Someone told them they'd have an advantage if they refused to participate in forming a representative government and just kept on killing Kurds and Shiites.
Maybe they'll start to figure out that their Syrian "friends" are more trouble for THEM than for the US. Not just the Kurds, but even Al-Sistani won't be able to hold back the Shiites forever from striking back.
The nerve of the US: trying to facilitate a representative government where the minority is protected. Oh well.
Too bad Bush didn't tell everyone to think carefully about who they sign on with. Oh wait, DID he?
Posted by: yoda at August 28, 2005 11:31 AM (6krEN)
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According to ding dong ding bat CINDY SHEEHAN these persons are freedom fighters now she is claiming to be in contact with her son in heaven i mean if she ever linked up with MICHEAL MOORE you would have DING BAT and MEAT HEAD
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August 25, 2005
Another al Qaeda Terrorist Captured in Iraq
As I've said a million times before, regardless of the reasons we went into Iraq, we are
now fighting al Qaeda there.
CENTCOM:
Coalition forces captured a known Al Qaeda-in-Iraq member, two suspected terrorists and destroyed a terrorist sanctuary, weapons and equipment near Al Asad Aug. 23.
Acting on tips from local Iraqis, Coalition forces raided the hide-out and confirmed that the location was being used by the terrorist to facilitate weapons and vehicle borne improvised explosive device (VBIED) operations.
After he was captured, the Al Qaeda-in-Iraq member provided information about related terrorist activity in the area. Based upon this information, Coalition forces captured two suspected terrorists. Coalition forces also captured and destroyed a VBIED and two weapons caches consisting of mortars, rockets and rocket propelled grenades.
And to my friend at Centcom--this is the kind of story we like to read.
UPDATE: Dread Pundit Bluto has more.
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What you don't mention is that Iraq is also the greatest recruiting tool we could have possibly given to al Qaeda.
"I kill one and create three."
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at August 25, 2005 05:04 PM (BueBw)
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Well, Peter, we always have you to keep us in line. Gosh, thanx so much.
Posted by: Oyster at August 25, 2005 05:08 PM (YudAC)
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"prof. Peter Von Nostrand" has appeared on many of milblog sites always spouting his "risk losing" strategies... i.e. he couldn't even win a effin game of Risk with his limp wristed sh*tty ideas.
I think he is just a plant and no sane person will give any credence to his ill conceived "objections".
Posted by: Constantine at August 25, 2005 05:27 PM (Kk4wv)
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I
posted about this on Wednesday, that's how far ahead of the curve I am. But seriously, sorry about the double-tap on the protestor story, though I think it was worth repeating.
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PPVN = troll
.delete or .ignore .. problem solved!
/TJ
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My favorite line in the whole article?
Acting on tips from local Iraqis....
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 08:11 AM (CouWh)
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Prof Peter,
Say isn't that synonommous with Professional Dick?
What a tires and BS line. No moderate has been converted into a terrorist by anything the US has done in Iraq. The worst weve done is we've gotten the loud talkers to actually shut their mouths and go blow themselves up. Not a huge loss in my tally.
But even accepting the nonsensical argument. IT is the same as the Civil Rights marches in the South were a bad idea because for every racist confronted three more were created.
Anybody knows, you don't cure an infection by ignoring it.
Posted by: TSgt Cismar at August 26, 2005 05:28 PM (yuxaa)
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You can run but you can not hide gotcha
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Michael Yon's Latest
Some relevant pragmatic wisdom from Michael Yon's latest dispatch,
Gates of Fire:
Although the situation in Mosul is better, our troops still fight here every day. This may not be the war some folks had in mind a few years ago. But once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress.
UPDATE from Rusty. You MUST read this:
Prosser had beaten the terrorist in the head three times with his fist and was gripping his throat, choking him. But Prosser's gloves were slippery with blood so he couldn't hold on well. At the same time, the terrorist was trying to bite Prosser's wrist, but instead he bit onto the face of Prosser's watch. (Prosser wears his watch with the face turned inward.) The terrorist had a mouthful of watch but he somehow also managed to punch Prosser in the face. When I shot the propane canister, Prosser had nearly strangled the guy, but my shots made Prosser think bad guys were coming, so he released the terrorist's throat and snatched out the pistol from his holster, just as SSG Konkol, Lewis, Devereaux and Muse swarmed the shop. But the shots and the propane fiasco also had brought the terrorist back to life, so Prosser quickly reholstered his pistol and subdued him by smashing his face into the concrete.
And here is an image of the terrorist that Yon snapped.
These are the kinds of images we need to see more of out of Iraq.
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Hollywood would do well if they took Mr. Yon's intense stories and made a fact based movie out of them. I have found that everytime I start reading him, I cannot stop until I finish the whole thing. I almost feel I am there. Most Excellent Writing!
Posted by: Fersboo at August 25, 2005 03:43 PM (x0fj6)
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Uh, aren't attack tanks supposed to have tracks on them?
8D
(I think the Sarge is going to have a little discussion on the effectiveness of sitting on ones ass vs getting up and doing.)
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August 21, 2005
Brushstrokes in Mosul
Rusty wrote about something I neglected, because I wasn't sure how to frame the issue. I considered posting something using precisely
the same quote from Michael Yon that Dr. Shackleford used
here. While folks like Chuck Hagel suggest we're losing in Iraq, based on the train wreck of incompetent reporting and distorted information provided by MSM, genuinely astonishing things are happening that point to precisely the opposite conclusion. Does anyone understand how difficult a global war against stateless totalitarianism actually is? And does anyone appreciate the almost-miraculous fact that we're not just holding our own, but beating them at their own game one small victory at a time?
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Are you sure that's Picasso? Never ever ever seen it before, and it says "MOLIC" or something in the bottom... Anyways, look at it and start blur-zooming, at least I got some figures and images to emerge from it.
Posted by: A Finn at August 22, 2005 03:05 AM (cWMi4)
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That's Ma Joli. But, your point is well put.
Posted by: Hollywood Oyster at August 22, 2005 06:21 AM (YudAC)
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You guys are impressively preceptive. Truth is, I couldn't find an online image of
Woman With Guitar, and I'm not sure I can even remember which of the paintings with that name that I actually saw. This is definitely more abstract than the one at San Simeon, but figured it was at least subtitled "Woman With Guitar."
There are a lot of paintings attributed to Picasso that he didn't actually paint. In order to support the local artists, and because he had a "flood the zone" marketing strategy for his work, he'd often sign paintings produced in his style by other artists as long as they were good.
I'll see if I can find an image of the painting I actually saw.
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OK, I finally found an image of the correct painting, which was done in 1913. It makes the point even more starkly that Ma Jolie since the macro image is even flatter. A print conveys almost nothing of the power of the original. I suppose one could argue that I was just "seeing things" that weren't actually there, but I don't think so. I think the apocalyptic vision was quite intentional on his part. I mean, consider when it was painted.
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August 16, 2005
You want to know why?
Iraq The Model tells you why.
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straight from somone who knows better than the leftist, defeatist MSM what is REALLY at stake in Iraq...the lives of millions of people, but to the left, these people, since they are not us, they do not deserve our efforts to help them to a better life...its always the same with the left...its all "ME,ME,ME" first and everyone else last
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 16, 2005 10:34 PM (IJ51c)
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Drew:
I hate to say this, but I think Mohammed takes Cindy Sheeham way too seriously. Personally, however, I'm grateful for his message. I just think it's wasted on her.
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Sure he takes her seriously. He's having trouble understanding the American left. I'll bet he never imagined them to be so many. The Iraqis, like every closed society, who want freedom imagine every American to be supportive of their wish for freedom.
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August 15, 2005
Violence Is Relative
Donald Sensing,
on Winds of Change points to the implications of some counterintuitive (for idiotarians at least) statistics documented by
Strategy Page. Turns out the annual death rate in Iraq, so far in 2005, is less than half what it was under Saddam Hussein. It has dropped from over 100 deaths per 100K (not counting those who died in the Iran/Iraq war) to about 45. This is also lower than the death rate in South Africa, the only African country that keeps good statistics on the figure, and probably far less than some place like Darfur, which doesn't even figure on the idiotarian radar.
So next time someone brings up "the terrible cost of the war for Iraqis" you can say that the coalition not only brought democracy to the country, but cut the death rate in half!
(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia)
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For some reason Haloscan doesn't like your trackback, so:
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Posted by: Brian B at August 15, 2005 12:39 PM (CouWh)
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Just checked the CIA fact book and they have some different figures. These figures are very interesting on their own though.
Death Rate
Iraq 5.49/1000 (2005 est.)
United States 8.25/1000 (2005 est.)
United Kingdom 10.18/1000 (2005est.)
Not sure which report to believe, although I'm inclined to trust CIA's numbers more, but it looks definitely looks Iraq is the place to be if you don't want to die.
Posted by: Brass at August 15, 2005 04:19 PM (6TLEO)
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of course the MSM and the other leftist talking heads dont even mention that...oh noooooooooooo, its going well in Iraq, we musnt let the American public know about this, we can only tell them all the bad stuff
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 15, 2005 04:54 PM (IJ51c)
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