Well first of all I would like to thank everyone bloggers and readers who took the time to send links and ideas. For me this site is all about getting to read Rusty and also read the comments of some of the brightest people I've seen. I started as a reader and I still consider myself to be just that. While I've been posting up here really it is all of you out there that make the site fun. So before I go a big thanks to everyone who has supported me. Rusty we all hope for your swift recovery.

Now one last thing. YBP wishes to discuss the very foundations of civilization. Since he sent links today I will oblidge him. And remember everyone watch the BP. It's the discussion that makes it cool. Let's not give ourselves a stroke now. I've got to go and do some real work too. I've been jumping back and forth so good afternoon all and....

Have a good one.

Link to the very foundations of civilization

Hat tip :YBP

Guest Posters: A big thanks to you too and feel free to continue as this will be the end of me for today.

Also for those bloggers that I referenced today. I'm still not up to speed on pings and trackbacks so my sincere apologies if I missed anyone or failed to do it correctly.

Updated : Rusty lives. I did get an email and Rusty says he feels a little bit better. I take that as was able to pull my head out of the bucket long enough to send an email. He says he probably will not blog today. Speedy recovery my master.

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Whew where is Rusty when you need him huh?? Thanks for all the links and suggestions. I think I have enough to maybe get us through the day.

Michelle Malkin has a post on a Democratic poll showing that public support for Democrats is slipping faster than for Republicans.

Washington post story here.

Personally for me I think they pick the wrong arguments. The DSM issue for one makes me feel better. It's kind of like a space shot. You had better be thinking about it ahead of time. You can always abort at the last minute. And once the candle is lit, well there is no turning back. So the discussion of if would should have or not is dead to me. The candle is lit people.

Rusty seems to like Michelle so I think he would approve.

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By Demosophist

Good opening. Thanking the right people (our military services). GWOT reached our shores on 9/11. "Murder in the name of a totalitarian ideology... they have continued to kill." Yup.

"They believe we're corrupt. They are mistaken." (Well, not totally.)

"ONLY ONE COURSE OF ACTION: To defeat them abroad before they attack us at home!"

Yeah, baby!

"We are removing a source of violence and instability and establishing a foundation for peace... is the sacrifice worth it."

Well, what will you ask of us?

The bad guys in Iraq are making common cause with similar ne'er-do-wells in Libya, etc. They see the abyss.

"Among the terrorists there is no debate that Iraq is central to the War. The outcome will leave them either emboldened or defeated."

Clearer one could not be.

"They failed to stop the transfer of sovereignty."

They failed to stop the formation of OUR VANGUARD. They cannot stop the advance of freedom. "This will not happen on my watch."

"Defeat an enemy and give strength to a friend."

The VANGUARD!

Iraqi responsibility. We have made siginificant progress. THE ELECTION. They rebuild. Progress is uneven, but real.

30 nations have troops in Iraq. The UN is there. 40 countries have pledged $34 Billion for reconstruction. The Donar Countries.

Iraq is critical. Iraq is critical. Iraq is critical.

Numeber and quality of Iraqi security forces has improved. Operation Lightning. Iraqis want to be defended by their own countryment.

OUR VANGUARD. (Who are we?)

"Our strategy has both a military and a political track... As [they] stand up, we will stand down!"

Good enough. Not complicated. Nancy Pelosi take note.

"NATO is establishing a military academy near Baghdad." Yikes! THE VANGUARD!

Three new steps:

Partnering with Iraqi units.

Embedding coalition teams in Iraqi units.

Working with Iraqi ministries to manage their forces.

(See Mont Ventoux)

Deadlines serious mistake. Wrong signal to allies, our troops, and to the enemy. We need to complete the mission. More troops? If needed.

[But it's not more troops that we need.]

Emerging from tyranny into a democracy. Our VANGUARD. ("We" includes the Arab Middle East.)

Transitional National Assembly must draft a robust and fair constitution, to be ratified by the people, and will then "bind their multi-ethnic society into a democracy."

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Libya knuckles under. Our strategy to defend ourselves and expand freedom IS WORKING. There will be tough moments that test our resolve. They don't respect sanctuary. They create chaos. They will fail to shark our will. (Probably, most of us.) We're in a confliect that demands much of us. Demands the perseverence of our citizens.

"The rise of democracy will be the ultimate ... victory. We will stay in the fight until... the fight is won."

APPLAUSE APPLAUSE

Our troops can know our people are behind them. At every outpost across the world. FLY THE FLAG.

[OK, he's finially asking something of us. Propagate it. Ring the bell. Let's get it done.]

Loss. "The best way to honor the lives that have been given in the struggle is to complete the mission." Service.

"They" are no match for the United States of America.

Well, keep banging the drum. Good start. Finally asked us for something!

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)

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Rusty dropped me an email this am and asked if see dubya or I could get this up this am. I will past in a few parts of Rustys email as well as the kinks he sent.

From: John Hawkins

This is John Hawkins from Right Wing News & Conservative Grapevine and
I've done an interview with Ed Klein, author of "The Truth About Hillary:
What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She'll Go to Become President".

This is a blockbuster interview that covers: Bill Clinton's affairs,
whether Hillary had an affair, Hillary's role in the Clinton White House, her
"anti-military" views, and Ed Klein's reaction to the less than
enthusiastic conservative support for his book among other things. We also had some controversial "off the record" comments that were put back on the
record. What was said there alone is worth the read.

Here are some short excerpts from the interview to give you an idea of
what it was like:

** Ed Klein On Hillary's threats against the network to get his book
blackballed **

"For instance, because of my book, Hillary and her war machine have
called every major television network in the United States and suggested to
them that if they have Ed Klein on to discuss his book, they can forget
about Hillary being a guest on their network.

As a result, the entire mainstream media – NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and
MSNBC – have blanked me out. This is my 5th best seller in a row.
I’ve been on all of those networks for all my books up ‘til this
one book. IÂ’ve been a constant guest on the Today show, the Good
Morning America show, you know, the Chris Matthews show, etc. Suddenly
IÂ’m anathema and the reason I am is because the Clintons, Hillary in
particular, have threatened all these mainstream media outlets."

** Tell us what you really think about Hillary, Ed **

"All IÂ’ve done is find a lot of new things and important things to
reinforce what everybody really knows about her, which is that she is a
congenital liar, as Bill Safire has called her –- and an ultra-liberal
and a militant feminist."

** Ed Klein on the conservative reaction to his book **

"...I just assumed that, you know, the conservatives would rally to my
support – and, as you say, I’ve had some problems in that area."

You can read the entire interview at the following address:

Full story here

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By Demosophist

I'm slowly becoming enraged as I watch Stephen Spielberg's latest epic Into the West, which purports to recount the history of a family in Virginia as they migrate westward and merge with the native Americans they encounter. It's hard for me to put my finger on what it is that bothers me about Spielberg's tale, but the essence of the problem is that it's inauthentic. And it's not one single thing that gives me that impression, but more like the fact that I grew up in a family in which the pioneering generation was only once removed from my own. Therefore, the stories really weren't that old when I heard them recounted by people who actually knew the principals. I actually knew my great grandmother, who had become the matriarch of the family by the time I was old enough to toddle around. I actually touched the bridge to that past so inauthentically recounted by Spielberg. more...

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I spent some time watching the interview of Senator John McCain’s on “NBC NEW’S MEET THE PRESS”. I had few thoughts afterward. About party, the war, and politics in general.

link to MTP transcript

If you are a Republican trying to “Casey Jones” the Democrats and change the rules of the Senate so that the President can get every judge he wants. If you take advantage of our majority and use it to pay back every contributor and push everything past the minority. You put yourselves before our party and before our country.

If a Democrat, filibustering every judge that comes across your desk. Spouting terms like Nazi and Gulag to try and make your point on GITMO. Playing politics with the war and failing to support the President. If you think this war is that trivial. You are putting your party before your nation.

If you are right or left wing and you bite on all the wedge issues like abortion and stem cell research or other moral distractions that never die and then vote for President based on these alone. You are putting your ideals before your duty.

If you are a moderate of either party, or an independent, or just a citizen, and you failed to vote for whom you thought might be a good candidate in a primary or general election because of party or laziness. Well just shut up about George Bush and get behind him. For if you had voted John McCain may have been President right now. The far right and left all vote, blame you.

Also for those who bother to read the transcript and I know itÂ’s hard. Just read some. The next President of the U.S.A., uh I mean Senator McCain gives a great example of the manner in which these issues should be dealt with. Some things are just above politics and I think he knows what those things are. LetÂ’s not start playing politics and forgetting there is a war on. That is exactly what the enemy is counting on. ItÂ’s not fair to the people of this country, itÂ’s not fair to the men and women serving and dying, and itÂ’s most unfair to the people of Iraq who are depending on us to stick with them.

I like quotes, so hereÂ’s what I feel is his best one of the interview.

“But you know what I've found out? That every time I've done something for what may have been influenced by political reasons, I've regretted it. Every time that I've done something that I think is right, it's turned out OK in the end. I've got to do what I think is right. And if it offends a certain political constituency, I regret it, but there's really nothing I can do about it.”

Sen. John McCain R, AZ from
“NBC NEW’S MEET THE PRESS” aired 06/19/05.

Another link to the transcript

IÂ’m so jealous of Arizona.

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Well Rusty has allowed me to post a few things when I can find them. So IÂ’ll try and add a few relevant links during the week. I also may express an opinion or two. But IÂ’ll try to save making an ass out of myself for the comment sections. Rusty and I have the same problem we have real jobs too. So there will be no way I could possibly answer a whole lot of email should that happen. But IÂ’ll try and skim it for links and stuff to post up. Maybe some of you regulars here can help with that. Please send links to either Rusty or myself but not both so we can avoid duplicate posts. Rusty allows links in the comment sections as well. The object from my perspective is to give Rusty more time to do whatever he does like write meaty opinions. Possibly I might learn a bit from the process. I have no idea what heÂ’s thinking, he tells me nothing. Please post responses and argue as always as I think we all get a lot out of that. And nowÂ….

ISSUE ONE, PATRIOT ACT.

See this Yahoo story

Text of patriot act here.

The House last week passed an extension of the “Patriot Act” which makes searches of library records and such more difficult. The President has vowed to veto it. Some civil liberties groups have hailed this as a major improvement. Also the new bill would make the law Permanent and would require further action by Congress to repeal.

QUESTION?

What are the pros and cons of the new Patriot Act and should it be passed? What changes, etc, etc? And should anyone think that this “concession” is better than a simple extension with an expiration date?

I ask you, my fellow civil libertarian and recently reformed, Greg?

Eleanor? Uh I mean Filthy?

Sorry, I know I shouldnÂ’t have. But I always wanted to do that.

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1 What you'll find Howie is that 99% of critics of the PATRIOT Act do not know what its provisions actually are, and exactly how it changed existing law. Instead, they repeat false claims and exaggerations.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at June 19, 2005 07:24 PM (xauGB)

2 Robin speaks the truth. I know of no one outside of KOS-land who makes any claim that their life has been negatively impacted by the Patriot Act (or impacted in any way for that mattter).

Posted by: EvilMe at June 19, 2005 09:25 PM (hi8LV)

3 What I want to know is why it's easier to slip under the radar getting a gun than it is to do some reading of "questionable material"... I'm not anti-gun, but damn if it ain't easy for nutjobs to get one. I love how Bush, inc. gives the opposite names to things it's trying to pass to trick those who are asleep in our government into going, "Huh? Where do I sign? When's lunch?". Anyway, as you know I'm not a big fan of the Patriot Act, since I think it's eroding our hard won American freedoms and rights. What does everyone else think? (besides "fuck you osamabinbitchin' lib bastard")

Posted by: osamabeensellin'tinfoil at June 19, 2005 11:40 PM (buka0)

4 Yes Sahib, you have question for the Filthy one?

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 20, 2005 07:46 AM (yBHNA)

5 Be specific osama. In what ways specifically has the patriot act 'eroded our freedoms and rights'? Until you can answer that question, you just come accross as hysterical and uninformed. Oh yeah, fuck you osamabinbitchin' you lib bastard.

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 20, 2005 08:37 AM (jPCiN)

6 Well, I guess 40 Republicans, some known as staunch conservatives, voted for the amendment to be amended anyway...(238 to 187). So that's quite a majority. To be specific, I don't want people monitoring what I read. How is that for a start?

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 20, 2005 10:19 AM (buka0)

7 Fair enough osama, I wouldn't much want that either. However, is that what's happening? Is it ok for the FBI to moniter a persons reading if they are already a suspect, or should that be out as well?

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 20, 2005 10:40 AM (jPCiN)

8 As Robin suggests, few people have read the Patriot Act, including the congress critters who voted for it. "It's my understanding the bill wasn't printed before the vote — at least I couldn't get it. They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." –Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). The bill was rammed through congress a few weeks after 9-11 and during the Anthrax scare. In this atmosphere of hysteria, congress critters were given a couple of days to act on it. It was overwhelmingly passed. What is so bad about the new law? "Generally," says Rep. Ron Paul, "the worst part of this so-called antiterrorism bill is the increased ability of the federal government to commit surveillance on all of us without proper search warrants." He is referring to Section 213 (Authority for Delaying Notice of the Execution of a Warrant), also known as the "sneak-and-peek" provision, which effectively allows police to avoid giving prior warning when searches of personal property are conducted. Before the USA PATRIOT Act, the government had to obtain a warrant and give notice to the person whose property was to be searched. With one vote by Congress and the sweep of the president's pen, say critics, the right of every American fully to be protected under the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures was abrogated. Under the USA PATRIOT Act in this country, Section 802 defines domestic terrorism as engaging in "activity that involves acts dangerous to human life that violate the laws of the United States or any state and appear to be intended: (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping." Under this broad definition, a scuffle at an otherwise peaceful pro-life demonstration might subject attendees to a federal investigation. We have seen abuses of law enforcement authority in the past to harass individuals or organizations with unpopular political views. Congress has given future administrations a tool to investigate pro-life or gun rights organizations on the grounds that fringe members of such groups advocate violence. According to Rep. Ron Paul, “Many of the most constitutionally offensive measures in the Act are not limited to terrorist offenses, but apply to any criminal activity. In fact, some of the new police powers could be applied even to those engaging in peaceful protest against government policies. The bill as written defines terrorism as acts intended "to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion." According to this definition, any act of civil disobedience now falls under the umbrella of terrorism. The Act makes it far easier for the government to monitor your Internet usage by adopting a lower standard than probable cause for intercepting e-mails and Internet communications. The Act also allows the government to order librarians and bookstores owners to report the ‘literary consumptive’ practices of individuals. Librarians around the country have led the charge against this provision in the Patriot Act, arguing that Americans have always been free to read whatever they choose without being monitored by government. The Act also gives the government the power to access your medical and tax records. Some of these ‘flawed’ provisions are set to expire at the end of the year. But President Bush wants to make them permanent and even strengthen the Act, and the House and Senate have been holding hearings in preparation for votes. These are just a tiny fraction of the numerous provisions that conflict with the Constitution. The Act, rather than focusing on ‘terrorists’, as you and I would define them, focuses on American citizens. Companions to the Act contain ‘lone wolf’ provisions and FBI pamphlets have been produced and distributed that warn people to be on the look out for people who call themselves Constitutionalists, and to turn them in. Clearly this act further subordinates American citizens to the whims of government. It brings us one step closer to Martial Law. There are over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States. It is apparent that the government is prepared to round up dissidents should the voice of dissent reach a critical mass. This is no longer a country governed by the people for the people. The people are now viewed as an impediment to the consolidation of power currently being undertaken by the government. The future is coming into focus. I see tanks in the streets. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, -- The Declaration of Independence

Posted by: greg at June 20, 2005 11:11 AM (/+dAV)

9 DG...I think snooping library records is crap. Think of how easy it is to get into this country, fake ID's, absurd airport security, weak or nonexistent security involving major water supplies, buildings, bridges, etc. Need a gun? Easier than opening a bank account. Those things worry me more than someone's reading habits. I want results and confidence, not big brother.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 20, 2005 11:19 AM (p0lNZ)

10 Greg: I thought you would like that subject.

Posted by: Howie at June 20, 2005 11:43 AM (D3+20)

11 He whose name I shall not repeat said: "Anyway, as you know I'm not a big fan of the Patriot Act, since I think it's eroding our hard won American freedoms and rights. What does everyone else think?" I think that the Patriot Act is a necessary evil, but should definitely have a periodic renewal requirement and should never, EVER, become permanent law. Such laws have a way of far outlasting their time, and becoming tools for oppression after their original purpose has expired. I oppose its permenence for the same reason as many others; it can be used by corrupt politicians to attack political opponents, i.e., Hillary "filegate" Clinton. The Patriot Act itself doesn't bother me an infinitessimal fraction as much4 as a judiciary that is completely out of touch with the Constitution and beyond control of the President, Congress, and the People. When the judiciary exceeds its legal bounds and begins to actively legislate from the bench with little or no regard for the Constitution or American legal and social tradition, then I think it doesn't matter what legislation Congress passes, we're screwed. Congress is like a carnival sideshow with misbehaving monkeys, but the Courts are a big-top three-ring circus with all the elephants gone rogue. Anyone who thinks it's okay for judges to exceed their Contitutional powers just because they happen to agree on a point of contention is just asking for trouble, because once the precedent of excess is established, it's almost impossible to correct. P.S: Fuck you osamabinbitchin' lib bastard.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 20, 2005 11:54 AM (0yYS2)

12 Damn all my typo's today. DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 20, 2005 12:05 PM (0yYS2)

13 "DG...I think snooping library records is crap." I agree, when there is no reason to do so. However, I want the feds to have the rights to investigate the reading habits of those they suspect of terrorism links. "Think of how easy it is to get into this country, fake ID's, absurd airport security, weak or nonexistent security involving major water supplies, buildings, bridges, etc. " Not sure what you mean here. Are you really trying to say that since these things are worrisome that they somehow negate the issues of terrorism in general? "Need a gun? Easier than opening a bank account. " I assume you are talking about the illegal purchases of firearms. Please remember that the 2nd holds that it is your right to own guns. "Those things worry me more than someone's reading habits. I want results and confidence, not big brother." Again, your arguments just don't hold water. If you suspect that someone might be a potential terrorist, and have good reasons for that suspicion, then why hamstring the police by not allowing them access to library records?

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 20, 2005 12:13 PM (jPCiN)

14 Howie, Good call. DG, The government isn't accessing the library or book purchasing activities of terrorists, they are doing it to American dissidents. Most think that the war is in Iraq. The real war is here at home and were losing badly.

Posted by: greg at June 20, 2005 01:07 PM (/+dAV)

15 Greg, remember that in here American dissidents are pretty much viewed as terrorists. DG, man...if you have some pretty solid facts behind someone being a suspected terrorist, you should be able to go after them. This includes any records. The problem I have is in HOW that suspicion is established, not how preventative measures are carried out. I think this completely holds water, btw. I also don't see what you didn't get when talking about water supplies, bridges, etc. since these are major vulnerabilities in our major cities. Cripple or infect can be a nasty, but effective method. Anyway, I gotta run. I'll be back later after Greg gets banned again. IM, P.S. Damn you for making me agree with you so many times in the past week!

Posted by: osamabeenlibbin' at June 20, 2005 01:36 PM (p0lNZ)

16 DG: "If you suspect that someone might be a potential terrorist, and have good reasons for that suspicion, then why hamstring the police by not allowing them access to library records?" The government/police have never been 'hamstrung'. Previously the government needed at least a warrant and probable cause to access private records. The Fourth Amendment, Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, and case law provided that if the state wished to search you, it needed to show probable cause that a crime had been committed and to obtain a warrant from a neutral judge. Probable cause and a warrant are no longer needed. The government can now investigate the private records of anyone, for any reason it deems appropriate.

Posted by: greg at June 20, 2005 01:48 PM (/+dAV)

17 "....increased ability of the federal government to commit surveillance on all of us without proper search warrants." Many forget why all these issues are brought up in the Patriot Act to begin with. It was "too hard" to get warrants to search certain records, seize computers, etc. THAT'S what led to 9/11. The fear of treading on rights is what kept them from taking decisive action in way too many instances. They don't want to just snoop on any ordinary Joe-on-the-street. It's a total waste of time. They want the ability to do so if there is probable reason to do so. And I WANT them to search [insert suspect's name here] house or computer or library records if he gives good reason to do so.

Posted by: Oyster at June 20, 2005 01:50 PM (fl6E1)

18 "Probable cause and a warrant are no longer needed. The government can now investigate the private records of anyone, for any reason it deems appropriate." That is not the way I understand it. The police are still required to get a warrent, but do not have to tell the suspect that it is being served. I'm not saying I love it, but it does help to not have to show your cards before you are done investigating. I also don't want it to last forever. I like the sunset provisions and the conversations that we have on its renewal.

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 20, 2005 02:00 PM (jPCiN)

19 Oyster: 'Many forget why all these issues are brought up in the Patriot Act to begin with. It was "too hard" to get warrants to search certain records, seize computers, etc. THAT'S what led to 9/11. The fear of treading on rights is what kept them from taking decisive action in way too many instances.' Horse puckey! David Schippers, Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee and head prosecutor responsible conducting the impeachment against former President Clinton, went public revealing that prior to 9-11, many FBI agents had come to him informing him about the impending attacks. These agents knew the names of the hijackers, the targets of their attacks, the proposed dates, and the sources of the terrorists' funding, etc., many months in advance of the 9/11 attacks. The FBI command pulled them off of their investigations into these terrorists and threatened them with the National Security Act saying that if they talked about any of the information pertaining to their investigations they would be prosecuted. Consequently, many of them sought the council of Mr. Schippers hoping to get somebody in the U.S. government to take action against these terrorists before their plan could be implemented. Mr. Schippers talked to many Congressmen and Senators, and tried to get a hold of Att. Gen. John Ashcroft, all only to get the run-around. Mr. Schippers is now legally representing at least ten of these FBI agents in a suit against the U.S. government in an attempt to subpoena their testimony, where they can then legally tell what they know and legally get it on record. The pre-9-11 investigation was obstructed by bureaucrats, not the courts, and only God knows why.

Posted by: greg at June 20, 2005 02:16 PM (/+dAV)

20 WRONG!!!! The answer is : The consessions will be erased in conference after the Senate takes this up. The bill will be permanent. It will prove useful in the GWT but later the law will be turned inward on ourselves thereby striking a terrible blow to freedom. Thus causing greg to suffer a minor head explosion. He then will sell out and move to patagonia where he will raise sheep and Lamas. Bye Bye Next time Howie attempts to create links that go places. Stay tuned.

Posted by: Howie at June 20, 2005 03:46 PM (D3+20)

21 IM wrote "When the judiciary exceeds its legal bounds and begins to actively legislate from the bench with little or no regard for the Constitution or American legal and social tradition, then I think it doesn't matter what legislation Congress passes, we're screwed." Damn, you know it didn't register till just now, but I think I might have said those exact words about 5 years ago when the Florida recount was stopped! Though, Gore can wipe my ass with a thousand hanging chads 'cause I didn't like him either.

Posted by: osamabeenvotin' at June 20, 2005 04:42 PM (p0lNZ)

22 The government is more than welcome to investigate my private records. I can't see the harm. That is being a patriot I have nothing to fear. Perhaps, some others have something to fear. If looking into my personal records or library books I have read helps root out those who would kill innocent people I say more power to them.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 23, 2005 01:07 AM (CBNGy)

23 GR: I don't think it's about that. I think most people are afraid of these powers being abused, or afraid to read something which might place them under suspicion. That's great that you have nothing to hide, but what if we lived in a country where your views expressed on these blogs got you arrested without trial or a lawyer to be held indefinitely? Many people who have no intentions on being or helping a terrorist have plenty to fear about the government intruding on their privacy.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 23, 2005 12:21 PM (CYGDF)

24 What if? The truth is I don't live in a country like you describe. What if an elephant runs through my cattle fences tonight? Should I build an elephant proof fence just in case? The fact that Greg and Colon Babler haven't been arrested and hung for treason is proof that we do not live in a country where people are arrested for expressing their views. You have to come with a factual claim not an if to convince me. How many innocent lives can be saved? That should be the major concern.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 23, 2005 10:38 PM (CBNGy)

25 Which innocent lives...the blacks killed by your KKK or the Iraqis killed by our "smart bombs"?

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 24, 2005 12:59 PM (CYGDF)

26 osamabeenthere: Neither of those. I'm far more interested in the number of whites attacked, robbed and killed by blacks today in the United States. Read the papers and face reality. The muggers are not white people wearing white sheets. There is more than a few areas of New Orleans I would like to drop you off in tonight. If you lived through it you would have a serious attitude adjustment. A real mind clearing experience. Reality will wake you up. A 38 slug through my stomach for not giving up my wallet 3 years ago woke me up. Result. 4 months in the hospital for me. One black mugger shot in the ass and now doing life in Angola. One black mugger escaped only to be killed a month later during a robbery. What happened in the past, if true I had nothing to do with. Nor do I hold todays Germans and Japanese responsible for what happened 60 years ago. Stupid to bring up or hold responsible todays Germans and Japanese for what happened under a different political climate. Also stupid to constantly remind them of it. This also applies to the stupid shouting of what the Glorious Knights of the Klu Klux Klan did nor did not do 60 years ago. As to the Iraqis killed by smart bombs. Pity. All they have to do is lay down their arms and turn in the terrorists and it would all stop. Pity they are too stupid and too stuborn to see the writing on the wall. If the scum bag islamic terrorists you feel pity for were not consentrating their efforts in Iraq they would be consentrating their resources in Europe and America. My personal opinion. Better them than mine. Better you than me. And I will do everything and anything to make it turn out that way. Also, so I am very clear. Muslims are the biggest threat to peace in the history of the world. More than the commies, more than the facists, more than the nazis. Everywhere this gutter religion is practiced. Nothing but trouble, killing, pain and suffering. Look around the world. Or are you as stupid and stuborn as the fucking islamofacists.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 24, 2005 09:44 PM (CBNGy)

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Rusty has given me permission to post this upon The Jawa Report and I thank him for doing so. I started a campaign to send letters to our service men and women about a week ago after seeing how many U.S. soldiers simply want mail. Letters for Heroes is about to ship out therefore this is your last chance, and to some it may be their first and last chance, to submit a letter that will be sent out tomorrow to the following service men and women.

SGT George W. Granter who is the squad leader of a recon team in Afghanistan. There are eight people on his team and their request is mail from the States.

PV2 Eric Avila who is stationed at Kandahar Air Base in Afghanistan and has yet to recieve even one piece of mail. His request is simple mail and we should do our part and send him letters of encouragement.

SPC Jon Drzewiecki who is stationed near Tikrit, Iraq and wishes to recieve mail for himself and his 17 other fellow soldiers. SPC Drzewiecki wishes to get some email penpals as well therefore include your email address in the letter.

Basic rules of submissions: Simply said, there are none. Your letter can be one line thanking a soldier for his or her service or it could be a very well thought out draft as some submissions have detailed. There are both men and women in these groups so please keep that in mind. If you wish further correspondence, include your physical address and/or email address.

How to be included in this effort: It cannot be more easy than this. Simply comment to my post here (I can pull email addresses off the comments if you wish but please state you wish me to do so) or email your letter to me.

While this is a small sacrifice for us to undertake, spending 10 minutes of our time, it means the world to our soldiers fighting for our freedoms accross the globe. Please take the time to create a letter and include it in Letters to Heroes.

I also want to thank those who have supported this effort and who have already sent in letters. I've recieved 23 letters thus far and I'm hoping to get another seven in this last minute push. Let's show our soldiers how much we care for their putting their lives in harms way by sending a letter.

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