April 28, 2005
The Damned of the West 4: Interview with Carrie Hallums Cooper (part 2)
American Roy Hallums was abducted from his temporary Baghdad home on November 1st, 2004. He was in Iraq as a civilian contractor working on rebuilding efforts. His mission had everything to do with helping the Iraqi people rebuild their country after decades of war, mismanagement, and terror under the Saddam Hussein regime.
I had the opportunity to have several e-mail conversations with both Susan Hallums and Carrie Hallums Cooper recently. They have graciously agreed to letting us interview them. What follows is part 4 in a series of interviews with the family of Roy Hallums. In part 1 and part 2 we interviewd Susan Hallums, Roy Hallums' ex-wife.
In part 3 we interview Roy's daughter, Carrie Hallums Cooper, asking her the same questions we asked her mother. This segment continues that conversation.
Carrrie runs the website Free Roy. Carrie is 29 and makes her home in California where she also works. Carrie has an MFT (Masters of Family Therapy) and is currently pursuing a Ph. D. in Clinical Psychology. Carrie also is engaged in fundraising to help defray costs associated with freeing her father.
You can donate to the Free Roy Foundation by clicking on the Pay Pal button below.
Or you can send a check or money order to
Free Roy Foundation
c/o Carrie Cooper
PO Box 947
Westminster, Ca. 92684
More information is on the Free Roy website. Roy and other heroes will be celebrated at the Inland Empire Memorial Day Heroes Festival in Riverside, CA on May 14th.
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[You can read part 1 of this interview here]
Rusty Shackleford: Roberto Tarongoy was taken hostage on the same day as Roy, and the Filipino government as recently as two weeks ago claimed that they knew Tarongoy was alive. However, the Philipines has a policy of negotiating with hostage-takers and even paying ransom for hostages release. What are your thoughts on that policy?
Carrie Hallums Cooper: First IÂ’d like to say that I have a great respect for Ivy (RobertÂ’s wife) and the Tarongoy family. If I were in IvyÂ’s shoes I would do whatever I could to free my husband. Cognitively though, I understand that if we (the U.S.) pay ransom for hostages this will only increase more hostage-taking, which is why the United States adheres to this policy. So, from that frame of mind, the Philippines policy of negotiating with hostage-takers may be encouraging more kidnappings, which for the Philippines as a whole is not beneficial.
However, unless you have been a family member of a hostage, you will never understand the lengths that you would go to in order to free your loved one. If I had to choose between policy and my fatherÂ’s life, I would not hesitate to choose my father, and therefore pay a ransom (if I had the money). So, I do not fault the Philippines for listening to their hearts in hostage situations, even though it may encourage more hostage-taking.
I believe that the policy of not negotiating with terrorists was created for the majority (those familyÂ’s whose loved ones are not hostages), and most of the time it works out fine (as long as you stay in the majority). Right now IÂ’m in the minority (a family member of a hostage), so I donÂ’t feel like the policy works for me. I donÂ’t want to put other people in danger by endorsing paying terrorists, which I do think is what happens when you pay ransoms (because it encourages more hostage taking); but at the same time, there has got to be a better policy than to just not deal with the terrorists.
To be honest with you IÂ’m kind of torn about this issue right now. IÂ’m not a policy maker, but I feel like someone could come up with a better solution than what we have in place right now (though I donÂ’t know what it is), so that itÂ’s a win-win situation for everyone. IÂ’m sure the govt. would say that it is win-win now, but I donÂ’t feel like sitting back and letting my Dad rot over in Iraq is win-win for either me or my Dad.
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April 26, 2005
The Damned of the West 3: Interview with Carrie Hallums Cooper (part 1)
UPDATE 9/07: ROY HALLUMS RESCUED IN IRAQ!!!! Details here. Or try the
Main Page.
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American Roy Hallums was abducted from his temporary Baghdad home on November 1st, 2004. He was in Iraq as a civilian contractor working on rebuilding efforts. His mission had everything to do with helping the Iraqi people rebuild their country after decades of war, mismanagement, and terror under the Saddam Hussein regime.
I had the opportunity to have several e-mail conversations with both Susan Hallums and Carrie Hallums Cooper recently. They have graciously agreed to letting us interview them. What follows is part 3 in a series of interviews with the family of Roy Hallums. In part 1 and part 2 we interviewd Susan Hallums, Roy Hallums' ex-wife.
In this segment we interview Roy's daugther, Carrie Hallums Cooper, asking her the same questions we asked her mother. Carrie runs the website Free Roy. Carrie is 29 and makes her home in California where she also works. Carrie has an MFT (Masters of Family Therapy) and is currently pursuing a Ph. D. in Clinical Psychology. Carrie also is engaged in fundraising to help defray costs associated with freeing her father.
You can donate to the Free Roy Foundation by clicking on the Pay Pal button below.
Or you can send a check or money order to
Free Roy Foundation
c/o Carrie Cooper
PO Box 947
Westminster, Ca. 92684
More information is on the Free Roy website. Roy and other heroes will be celebrated at the Inland Empire Memorial Day Heroes Festival in Riverside, CA on May 14th.
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Rusty Shackleford: Can you tell our readers a little something about the kind of man Roy is?
Carrie Hallums Cooper: My Dad is the most giving person I have ever met. He did whatever he could to help his family and friends. Some other words that describe him are: thoughtful, kind, intelligent, quiet, athletic, funny, and fun. No one, besides my Mom, has ever treated me as well as my Dad has. My Dad, though far away, was always there for me. He called me all the time and sent me e-mails every day or so.
My Dad has many interests, both socially and intellectually. My Dad likes playing chess with me, going to art museums, walking on the beach or just being in nature (he likes being outdoors), riding his bike, going out to eat, reading, and he likes to listen to classic rock music (which my Mom always hated). He kept up to date on what was cool and hip, at least as much as he could being overseas.
My DadÂ’s dream for when he returned home from the middle east was to have a house by a lake, to own a boat, and to go fishing on the lake. He had recently purchased a home in Memphis near a lake and was excited to buy a small boat so that he could go fishing. I hope that he gets to do that some day.
My Dad was very wise and he always gave me good advice. He encouraged me to continue to do well in school, and for that matter he supported and encouraged me in everything I did. I carry every piece of advice, and all of his love and support, as well as, every memory that we made with me everywhere I go. I treasure it because it may be all that I have left of my father.
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A major problem is that our government has no idea what to do to free Roy. So they are tryinjg to bury this. It reminds me of the POW situation in 1990 when Bush 1 and a little guy from TX named Perot got into a pis-ing contest. Bush tried to cover up the lack of any progress on the POWs and his son is doing his best to pretend Roy was never born.
But, what can they do? Social-st-Muslims will not reason. The CIA was destroyed by Carter and what was rebuilt by Ronnie was torn down by Reno and Jamie Gorelick; so we have no clue as to where he is. If we did we could send in a SEAL team and extract him. But as every one is aware the CIA has been usless fo 28 years. Where is Roy? Your guess is as good as Rummies; and neither of you knows. A very painful problem which seems beyond solution at this time.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at April 26, 2005 05:56 PM (vRg2Q)
Posted by: Laura at April 26, 2005 08:17 PM (L3PPO)
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Agree with Rod. But the fact that it hasn't gotten more attention in the press is an absolute disgrace. This is why we have to do what we can to change the leftist main stream media. The first thing we could all do is stop tuning in to CNN, ABC, BBC, CBC, etc. We could also refuse to buy their newspapers or magazines. Just don't support them. The Internet is a wonderful gift. Use it for all your news. It's there for free. If you want news on just about anything in the world most countires have local newspapers, many of which are online. Get your information first hand. Get both sides of every major story and then make an informed decision. But make your own decision. Don't let CNN or the New York Times, et al, filter it for you. I mean, how hard is it to take a principled stand for God's sake?
Posted by: John Crittenden at April 26, 2005 09:17 PM (cONYb)
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Not sure that "official silence" = disinterest is a fair criticism. I expect that there are some very skilled warriors from TF 120 looking hard for Roy.
Posted by: NOTR at April 27, 2005 01:08 AM (Djm/j)
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Sometimes, making too much noise is a bad thing. Makes the Hostage takers think they have someone too valuable or high priority.
For all we know, there are rough and ready men scouring Iraq for Roy. Just because you don't hear about it, does not mean it is not happening.
W has not forgotten this man and I have faith he will do what ever it takes to find him.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at April 27, 2005 09:49 AM (yBHNA)
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Just wondering, why do you say "WE interviewed..."? Do you collaborate with someone on this blog? Does Mrs. Shakleford contribute? Who is WE exactly?
Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2005 12:14 PM (jcSwY)
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April 20, 2005
The Damned of the West (part 2): Interview With Susan Hallums (cont.)
UPDATE 9/07: ROY HALLUMS RESCUED IN IRAQ!!!! Details here. Or try the
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UPDATE: Part 1 of this interview is here.
In part 3, we interview Roy's daughter Carrie here.
American Roy Hallums was abducted from his temporary Baghdad home on November 1st, 2004. He was in Iraq as a civilian contractor working on rebuilding efforts. His mission had everything to do with helping the Iraqi people rebuild their country after decades of war, mismanagement, and terror under the Saddam Hussein regime.
I had the opportunity to have several e-mail conversations with both Susan Hallums and Carrie Hallums Cooper recently. They have graciously agreed to letting us interview them. What follows is part 2 in a series of interviews with the family of Roy Hallums. Part 1 of that interview can be found here. This segment continues the interview with Susan Hallums.
Susan is Roy Hallums ex-wife and the mother of Roy's two daughters, Amanda and Carrie. Susan is in the process of selling the small house she inherited from her mother. The proceeds from the sale will go for a reward offer for information on Roy's wherabouts in Iraq. You can support Roy Hallums family by sending donations to:
Free Roy Foundation
c/o Carrie Cooper
PO Box 947
Westminster, Ca. 92684
More information is on the Free Roy website.
Rust Shackleford: Ever since we crossed paths I've been following your story and have read that you are in constant contact with the wife of Roberto Tarongoy [a Filipino who was taken hostage with Roy]. Would you like to tell us anything about that relationship? Perhaps there is something you would like to say on behalf of the Tarongoy family?
Susan Hallums: I can't comment on this one Rusty, that is their request.
RS: Have you had any contact with any of the other families of hostages being held in Iraq? Jeffrey Ake, Tim Bell, Bill Bradley, or Dean Sadek, or Mohammed Monaf? If not, is there anything you would like to say to them if you could?
SH: No I havent . I called Jeffrey Ake's company and told them to please call me if they would like to talk to me. That I have been in these terrible shoes for 6 months and if I could help in any way please call me. He has my prayers and hopes that he is released right away. His family also has my prayers and my heart goes out to them.
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Ms. Hallums has an excelent point. I think we may be letting these hostages down some. I'll be keeping Mr. Hallum and the others as well as their families in my thoughts and prayers. It may be that they are taken one by one or in small numbers so the media doesn't get all excited like with the Iranian hostages. We should all express some support here so Ms. Hallums & family can see it.
Posted by: Howie at April 20, 2005 01:53 PM (D3+20)
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Because of all the incredible stories of survival coming from Iraq, I still have hope for Roy and his family. Because of all the unspeakably cruel and evil things that these cowards create, we should all prepare for the worst. Our prayers are with the Hallums.
Posted by: Sean the INFDL at April 20, 2005 02:19 PM (pskKC)
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El Ahram reported that during the 2003 Baghdad chaos, Four BILLION USD was looted from the Central Bank. How much of that is now funding the Zarqawis over there?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 20, 2005 06:40 PM (FV4oJ)
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Anwar: May your camel get aids and pass it to everyone in your mosque.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 20, 2005 09:36 PM (aq8Ok)
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Boring. I'm going to Leo's house on the river to drink beer and talk about the muslim problem.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 20, 2005 09:38 PM (aq8Ok)
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Anwar: Is it true that Sunnis take a dump standing up? Must be a hell of a splash. Ker plunk. Friggin tidal wave all over the bathroom. No wonder they got brown feet.
Is the left hand really for the toilet and the right hand for eating. I guess it makes sense. when you don't have the technology to make ass wipe. And no water for the left hand. Now I know where the expression stink finger comes from. The Sunnis. Oh shit, ha, ha. I've got to get outa here.
Seen Anwar yelling into an envelope.
Says he was sending an Sunni voice mail.
Pop a top my friend.
Anwar had an emergency so he called the telephone company to ask the number for 911.
Fill er up again.
Sunnis can't make jello because they can't fit 2 qts of water into the box.
Bunch of dead heads. Have a drink and wake up.
Anwar: O lover of goats. You asked where I was.
Here I am. Where the hell are you. Still blogging on the taxpayers of Calgary's dime?
I got friends in low places. Where the whiskey flows and beer chases the Sunnis away. And we will be OK. I'll drink to that. In fact, I already have.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 20, 2005 10:03 PM (aq8Ok)
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My friend Greyrooster,
WILLARD
"Yes sir, very much so sir. Obviously insane."
LUCAS
"Your mission is to proceed up the Pearl River in a Civilian bass boat. Pick up Colonel Sanderson's path at Picayune, follow it, learn what you can along the way. When you find the Colonel, infiltrate his communication network by whatever means available and disconnect the Colonel's cable modem."
WILLARD
"Disconnect.. the modem?"
CORMAN
"He's out there blogging without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable intercultural conduct. And he is still in the forest, attacking the Muslim world."
CIVILIAN
"Disconnect.. his extreme prejudice."
LUCAS
"You understand Captain... , that this operation does
not exist, nor will it ever exist."
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 21, 2005 03:31 AM (FV4oJ)
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Your external links (to the Hallums site) are broken.
Posted by: someone at April 21, 2005 05:51 AM (ZMAzf)
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I don't talk to traitors.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 21, 2005 06:12 PM (CBNGy)
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April 19, 2005
The Damned of the West (part 1): Interview With Susan Hallums
UPDATE 9/07: ROY HALLUMS RESCUED IN IRAQ!!!! Details here. Or try the Main Page.
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Update: Part 2 of the interview is here.
Part 3 is an interview with Roy Hallums' daughter is here.
American Roy Hallums was abducted from his temporary Baghdad home on November 1st, 2004. He was in Iraq as a civilian contractor working on rebuilding efforts. His mission had everything to do with helping the Iraqi people rebuild their country after decades of war, mismanagement, and terror under the Saddam Hussein regime.
Roy was taken hostage along with six other foreign nationals, including a Fillipino named Robert Tarongoy. The U.S. did not publish the fact that an American citizen had been taken hostage because of a policy of treating civilian abductions as purely private matters. The Jawa Report was the first publication to identify Roy Hallums as the hostage.
Since that time we have been in contact with members of the Hallums family who started leaving comments at our site. Roy's daughter, Carrie Hallums Cooper, and his ex-wife, Susan Hallums, have been leading the charge to keep Roy's plight in the media.
Unfortunately the mainstream media has tended to bury stories of American hostages in the back pages until something dramatic happens, such as the release of a hostage video. The sad fact is that the American hostages in Iraq are forgotten casualties of war. We find this situation unacceptable and pledge to do our part in keeping these victims in the headlines.
I had the opportunity to have several e-mail conversations with both Susan Hallums and Carrie Hallums Cooper recently. They have graciously agreed to letting us interview them. What follows is part 1 in a series of interviews with the family of Roy Hallums. This segment features an interview with Susan Hallums.
Susan is Roy Hallums ex-wife and the mother of Roy's two daughters, Amanda and Carrie. Susan is in the process of selling the small house she inherited from her mother. The proceeds from the sale will go for a reward offer for information on Roy's wherabouts in Iraq. You can support Roy Hallums family by sending donations to:
Free Roy Foundation
c/o Carrie Cooper
PO Box 947
Westminster, Ca. 92684
More information is on the Free Roy website.
Rusty Shackleford: Can you tell our readers a little something about the kind of man Roy is?
Susan Hallums: Roy is the kind of person that is always well liked by most everyone that is fortunate enough to meet him. He is a very kind and caring man. He has always been a great father and grandfather to our daughters and granddaughter.
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God Bless Roy, and may he be freed immidiately.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at April 19, 2005 03:50 PM (JQjhA)
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Unfortunately they must remain the damned of the West. It's the best way to prevent more hostages being taken and the blackmailing of the West's leaders.
Posted by: Carlos at April 19, 2005 04:12 PM (paKD6)
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Encore! Where is part 2. Who invented waiting, anyway? This is an example of the power of the blogosphere, Doc. Thank ye verily, the word will spread like wildfire - on the US State Department will have difficulty containing.
Posted by: ZiPpo at April 19, 2005 04:39 PM (P7XXv)
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I pray that our government is actively negotiating for his release in good faith.
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 19, 2005 09:23 PM (FV4oJ)
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Brilliant interview. Well done.
Posted by: Sigmund, Carl and Alfred at April 19, 2005 11:19 PM (dHZc2)
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I'm not exactly praying that our government is negotiating in good faith with the hostage-takers.
I'll say more after I've read all four parts.
Thanks Dr. S. and Mrs. Hallums for the interview.
Posted by: Carpe Bonum at April 20, 2005 12:02 AM (Vk6xu)
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Good work, Rusty. It is sad to say that if he was against the war, this would be a big story. I hope Roy gets the hell out soon. This is important stuff, keep it up.
Posted by: Sean the INFDL at April 20, 2005 12:19 AM (pskKC)
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It is unfortunate that civilians are taken hostage, but they are casualties of war. Everyone involved needs to understand that just because the work of war and reconstruction is performed by some civilians does not make them different than soldiers except for one thing:
They were hired because they are less expensive to pay than a career G.I.
The only appropriate action is for anyone facing capture to fight to the death and take as many ragheads with them as they can.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgan at April 20, 2005 08:32 AM (x2eX4)
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First my prayers are with Roy and his family. And I pray for his safe return.
As much as I sympathize with Roy's family, when civilian contractors take jobs in dangerous regions of the world they "know exactly what they are getting into and that capture and death are a HIGH possibility". This is one of the reasons civilian contractors take these jobs because of the compensation for the hazardous work. Along with the compensation these heroÂ’s also want to help the people of the countries they are going to rebuild. As much as our military are liberators, civilian contractors are rebuilders.
AmericaÂ’s policy of "no negotiation with terrorists" is the only policy that makes sense. If you negotiate with terrorist they will continue to extort you for more and more. The reality is that hostages are casualties of war. That doesnÂ’t mean we forget about them, or stop trying to rescue them.
I am not so sure or quick to think that these hostages are "forgotten". I think that the situation is monitored and when active Intel is available on whereabouts action will be taken to retrieve them. The U.S. cannot go public with any of this information, nor as callous as it may sound; can keep the family “well” informed because people "talk" and any leak could mean trouble.
Do I think that hostage situations could be better made public by mass rallies? Sure I do, and I think it should happen. The problem is the MSM, they only are interested in pursing stories that are bad for the administration or play to the far left. So unless this rally was billed to the MSM in some way as to denounce the administration rather than support Roy they wouldn't bite.
Great interview and I am looking forward to the next part(s)Â…
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If they murder him we should spare no expence in bringing these hooded cowards in DEAD
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