Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time
A revalation came to me this morning in the form of an email from Amawalk John. I have finally figured out what the Democrats mean by "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time." But before we get to that, let's play a game. I'm going to give you a list of quotes and you see if you can tell me who they belong to. The answers will be in the additional section of this article.
- He will rebuild his arsenel of weapons of mass destruction. Some day, somewhere, I am certain, he will use that arsenel again as he has ten times since 1983.
- Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that.
- There's unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons. And will likely have nuclear weapons in the next five years. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress that Saddam has been able to make in the development of weapons of mass destruction.
- He continues to attempt to gain access to additional capability including nuclear capability. There is a real debate on how far off that is. Whether it is a matter of years or whether it is a matter of less than that.
- Good Evening. Earliear today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
- Other countries posess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there's one big difference. He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. And I have no doubt today that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.
- Inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq their work would be a sham. Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.
- The hard fact is that as long as Saddam is in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of the region, the security of the world. The best way to end that threat, once and for all, is with a new Iraqi government. A government willing to live in peace with its neighbors. A government that respects the lives of its people.
- The decision to use force is never cost free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.
- Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction.
- Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. Mark my words. He will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them. And he will use them.
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Drew, you must have missed this memo.
Memo:All Democrats and neo-liberals
Subject:Two sets of rules
There is one set of rules that apply to all actions of Democrats and their allies. This set, the one that allows us to say and do anything we want to, including lie, steal, use dirty tricks, intimidate, vandalize, and whatever else we can think of applies to us.
The other set of rules, that is, the common and legislative laws, etc. apply to everyone else.
Signed: DNC, Democratic Party and all allies
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 10:31 AM (rUyw4)
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Joe I think I saw the almost the same memo posted on a left wing site: except for replacing Democratic with Republican. Are you cross posting ? At this point in the history of these United States using the declared allegiance of any politician to the stated beliefs of any party as any indication of honor or ideology is about as useful as a compass is in learning to ride a bike. At least 3 of the 5 on that list have called for sending MORE troops to finish the job. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/30/94916.shtm lhttp://www.democraticleader.house.gov/press/articles.cfm?pressReleaseID=590 Republican pols are watching the polls they know that the American people are not happy with the way things are going over there. So is my point the Democrats are the better party ? Nooooo. Pork, Patriotism, Prayer, Polls, Profits, these are all tools to be used by both parties. Neither party really knows what to do about Iraq: it has turned into a clusterf**k The strength of the insurgency does not seem to have diminished: what is the chance that a "well trained" Iraqi army will do a better job then the best trained and equipped fighting force on the planet? Army brass are saying only what will help their careers: battalion commanders say they need more troops.http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,1132792,00.html At some point the name calling should stop and someone, of either party, should say "ummmm the emperor isn't wearing any clothes".
Posted by: john ryan at November 29, 2005 12:43 PM (ads7K)
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hmm...
So if 'we' had bothered to wage war in the
same place, at the
right time,
then it would have been the
right war?
In a wierd sort of way, I am beginning to
understand them.
--fret
Posted by: fretless at November 29, 2005 01:41 PM (twzGk)
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John Ryan, are you Greg?
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 29, 2005 03:52 PM (rUyw4)
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Way to tell em Drew I think all those old Dems lied on deliberately to troll Bush into war on false pretense.
Billary Lied People Died right on. so now am I thininkign right I mean me blaming bill for all this should help us win.
No the sad part is Lieberman was right today as Glen Reynolds pointed out. The Dems were right not 100% like anyone else but the general idea that Saddam contributed to a favorable environment for terrorism and defied the UN and screwing around with him for 12 more years was unnacceptable. But they left it to us to fight the bastard. After Afghanistan the bastards ran to Iraq and Syria and Pakistan. Iraq was the least cooperative. So now all the left has to do is point fingers. Never mind they and the MSM should be helping to win. Country before party it should be right.
Posted by: Howie at November 29, 2005 08:42 PM (D3+20)
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Lessons Not Learned
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
Generals know how to fight wars. That's how they get to be Generals. It's not something that's just handed out. So when the General you put in charge of something starts telling you things, it's probably wise to listen. We didn't learn this lesson in Vietnam and it looks like we still haven't learned it.
Lt. General John R. Vines, commander of the Multinational Corps Iraq, disagrees with Congressman Murtha on the pullout of our troops from Iraq. Considering he is the one on the ground and in charge of making things happen, I think it would behoove our leadership to listen to what he has to say.
Lt. Gen. John R. Vines, who commands the Multinational Corps Iraq, said that 36 Iraqi battalions, about one-third of the total force, are now responsible for their own security sectors and can fight the insurgency. But they are not yet ready to operate totally independent of U.S. supply lines and tactical advice.
Because of that, he said, now is not the time for an American withdrawal.
"Iraqi security forces are able to conduct operations in a large portion of their area with only limited coalition support," Gen. Vines told Pentagon reporters via a teleconference from Baghdad. "They do require our support at this time. That support will be increasingly less over a period of time, but a precipitous pullout, I believe, would be destabilizing."
That, to me, sounds like good news. We've got a lot of troops trained and we're gradually moving things over to the Iraqis as they can handle them. Imagine for a moment that you would like to be a pilot. You go to the airport, sign up for lessons and get started. The instructor teaches you the basics of flying and how to take off, then takes you up for your first flight. Halfway through the flight, the instructor simply bails out. He hasn't taught you to land yet, but suddenly you're on your own. Sounds like a pretty messed up situation, doesn't it? And yet that's exactly what Congressman Murtha and his Democratic compadres propose doing to the Iraqis. And the exact same thing they forced us to do to the Vietnamese. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.
The mistakes that the politicians made in Vietnam were fatal and avoidable. Certainly it was a brutal war, but does that make it not worth fighting? Wasn't our own Revolutionary war quite bloody? Did that keep the French from coming to our aid? Without them, we might still be paying taxes to Britan. Our future certainly would have come out very differently. Now it's time to give other people in the world the same chance. It's time to stop all the political bickering and get the job done right. Stop worrying about trying to score political points and listen to what your commanders are telling you. We've started a job. Let's finish it and prove to the world that we CAN learn from the mistakes we've made in the past.
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Go figure. Actually listen to the people on the ground in the middle of the conflict? I don't think that's ever been done before...
Posted by: jwookie at November 25, 2005 02:16 PM (x0sPW)
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Of course the original argument is only valid if those who appear to have learned nothing from history, and who therefore seem to be repeating mistakes of the past, are actually rooting for the same team we are. Perhaps they've learned the lessons of history all too well, and are rather attempting to repeat the successes of the past, though not our successes, but rather those of our enemies.
Given the tone and substance of the ascerbic rhetoric of the so-called antiwar movement, i.e. the fact that they seem to hate their conservative fellow citizens more than they hate the terrorists, (apparently not at all, given the astounding paucity of anti-terror rhetoric, compared to the daily verbal attacks against the President, his advisors, Jews, and our soldiers), once one gets past the natural disbelief that one's countrymen could support the enemies of one's country, and judges the facts of the matter unemotionally in the harsh light of pure logic, then one must conclude the latter, rather than the former argument, is the case, and that they, the liberals, do indeed want America to lose. Treason is the worst crime of all, and is absolutely unforgivable regardless of the measure or intent of the crime, which is why I say they should all be rounded up and shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 25, 2005 06:53 PM (0yYS2)
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improblimus small penisimus, you jackass idiot, you are talikng about the majortiy of the maerican people 66% who hate you and Bush...so eat it turkey jackass. "round em up and shoot em" whjat kind of stalin hitler we t dream are you stuck in you totalitarian turd? just keep typing stpid. we hate you and the more you hurt this country the more fuels builds against you. ya, fox news bovine american taliban and thier holy leaders awol bush , deferment cheney, and courageous jean schmidt....they wrap themselves in the flag and state as church and call everyone else t"traitors"...how funny , morons.
anyway, a hearty "fuck off" to all you american taliban dildo shitheads. we hate you, you are losing support and the tar and feathers is being readied for you losers.
ernie
Posted by: ernie at November 25, 2005 07:07 PM (ocmaF)
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anyway, a hearty "fuck" is what I have for Petre Gannon. I love him so. but I hate you taliban wanna bes, you are losing support. you and bushco are on the way out,so eat shit you turkey monkeys. oh, I love creamy cocks so much, but I hate you neocons and so does everyone hate you.
anyway, a hearty send off to you american dickhead taliban types. oh, I love men, hot men who are not traitors like the penis head improbolus, but I love his penis, i wish it was not neocon.
Posted by: ernieervin at November 25, 2005 07:18 PM (rUyw4)
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Ernie,
You make me laugh. You and your ilk can do nothing to me. Your tar and feathers would be shoved up your ass if you tried to mess with this Texan.
None of you little queers have the balls to fight. We could whip your little asses in about 10 minutes, so shove off, before someone finds out who you are. Then you will cry! Like a little girl! Haha!
Posted by: knight templar at November 25, 2005 08:21 PM (rUyw4)
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Ernie is stupid enough to be greg, and incoherent enough to be Downing Street Moron, so I can't pin his identity down. Of course, it's always possibly that he's just another generic liberal retard. Anyone got any ISP info on him?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 26, 2005 01:30 PM (0yYS2)
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"Possible", not "possibly". I shouldn't blogsurf on Saturdays.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 26, 2005 04:10 PM (0yYS2)
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Agent Jones reports that history is repeating itself. England occupied three Ottoman provinces and named them "Iraq" around 1920. England made big air bases there and used superior firepower to subjugate rebellious Sunni tribes. After years of bombing in the Sunni Triangle, England has forced to withdraw. England's Iraqi government was overthrown and Iraqis took control of their country.
Agent Brown calculates that the current strategy will lead to American defeat and the overthrow of the Iraqi regime.
Posted by: Agent Smith at November 26, 2005 11:01 PM (cKU7u)
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