The staff at the BBC has been issued new management guidance regarding the use of the terms 'terrorist' and 'terrorism.' The BBC's governors believe that the Internet has eliminated differences between domestic and overseas audiences and, therefore, it's essential that the terms be used carefully.
So, apparently it's okay to describe the terrorism as long as the word 'terrorism' isn't used. Also, whoever is responsible for bad stuff that happens shouldn't be described as 'terrorists.' Therefore, instead of stating, "A terrorist bombed the crowded school bus," it's more appropriate to state, "A man created full horror and human consequence on a crowded school bus." And, the guidance continues.
Blah ... blah ... blah. That last paragraph reads like gibberish. However, that's not all there is.
Boiled down, the substance of the new policy is to avoid using the term 'terrorist' and practice hedging the wording of all reports.
Of course, this announced new guidance begs the question of what exactly is different from the way the BBC currently reports the news?
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>>>"The word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than aid to
understanding.
And this, folks, it's what it's all about to the Libs-- "understanding" the terrorists. After all, homicidal maniacs have their own reasons too, right?
If only these Libs spent so much time and energy trying to "understand" us conservatives. That'll be the day.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 12:03 PM (8e/V4)
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"if the BBC is to maintain its reputation for standards and accuracy and especially impartiality"
This from a media group that was banned from British warships in 2003 for biased war reporting. As far as the BBC is concerned, Britain has already fallen and is now under new management. Disgraceful.
Posted by: Graeme at December 19, 2005 12:18 PM (Wtu+d)
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". . .we must be careful not to give the impression that we have come to some kind of implicit - and unwarranted - value judgement."
Oh, the irony!
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at December 19, 2005 12:36 PM (XU9K/)
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"If only these Libs spent so much time and energy trying to "understand" us conservatives. That'll be the day."
OK, I'm fed up with this. JC, what's this "us conservatives" crap? You think sitting around listening to Ann Coulter with your pants around your ankles and bitching about "Libs" makes you a conservative? A conservative has a true set of principals and values: small government, fiscal responsibility, and basically staying the hell out of people's lives. This administation -- and I'm a guy that voted Republican UNTIL the boob in office now -- does nothing, repeat nothing for the true conservative cause. They're rich, they're powerful, all they want to do is hold onto their power and they don't give a SHIT about guys like you -- unless its time for you to vote that is.
If all the knee-jerk, Limbaugh-loving supporters of this administration knew they're being about as conservative as Ted Kennedy, I'm certain they'd change their tunes.
Posted by: hooligan at December 19, 2005 01:25 PM (oxMjD)
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hooligan,
I see. You Libs can "understand" terrorists, but you won't even try to "understand" me.
Case closed.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 01:29 PM (8e/V4)
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Did you read the post? I'm not a LIB, I'm a guy that voted for Ronald Reagan twice and Bush Sr. twice!
Posted by: holligan at December 19, 2005 01:32 PM (oxMjD)
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holligan,
that's great, I have my beef with Bush too. But far more beef with the Left. Don't you? And we're talking about the Left right now.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 01:38 PM (8e/V4)
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So I'm not the only one who listens to Ann with my pants down?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 19, 2005 01:40 PM (0yYS2)
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No, YOU'RE talking about the left; we should be talking about how governments work or don't work, no mattter what side of the aisle they represent. I will not automatically throw my support behind a hypocrite who calls himself a conservative if his policies are bullshit. And this administration's policies are bullshit. When the left's polices are bullshit ——and dont' get me wrong, they usually are-- I'll call it that too. I'm just tired of they way people don't even think about what they're supporting anymore, and instead back their "party" like they back their "team" on NFL Sunday. Enough!!!
Posted by: hooligan at December 19, 2005 01:44 PM (oxMjD)
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The problem, hooligan, is there ain't another game in town. If you will find me another team, man, I'll support them. But the reality is that we have the Republicans and the Democrats. And no matter how hard I try, I can and will not ever vote for the Dems, now the party of the traitors. Sorry!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 01:56 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe, not true, there are other alternatives. We can continue voting Republican, but we have to get back to insisting that they be real conservatives, not just anti-liberals. And they're IS a difference. I don't like these guys we've got now because they're big money, corporate interest guys, just like the Dems when they were in power. Besides talking more about God -- and I think a lot of that is lip-service--I see damn little difference between the two.
Let's start voting for people becasue of who they are, not because of who they are not!!!
Posted by: Hooligan at December 19, 2005 02:07 PM (oxMjD)
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hooligan,
I think conservatives are doing a good job at making themselves heard by Bush on the issues we disagree with (much of his domestic agenda), but we also support him on those issues where he's doing the right thing. I happen to agree with this administration's foreign policy, as do most conservatives. Sorry if you don't, but that doesn't make you more pure than me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 02:08 PM (8e/V4)
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JC, it's not really a matter of purity, it's a matter or practicality. True, I think much of the Bush foreign policy has been a sort of make-it-up-as-we-go construct, and I do have my doubts if the benefits will outweigh the costs in lives and money. But hell, I could be wrong. I just think these guys are now what the Democarates were 20 years ago...tone deaf to the American public.
Posted by: Hooligan at December 19, 2005 02:18 PM (oxMjD)
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hooligan,
I used to think they was making it up as they went along too to some extent, and then I read a book by George Friedman of Stratfor called "America's Secret War." They know what they're doing:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385512457/qid=1135023961/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8711954-4228011?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 19, 2005 02:28 PM (8e/V4)
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Graeme,
Yes, the BBC is disgraceful to say the least, but I think traitorous is a better word to describe their behavior. They seem to be more concerned about how the jihadists will react to their terminology rather than whether it is correct or not.
I wonder. Isn't the BBC an organ of the British government? The fact that it continues this disgraceful behavior under the auspices of the government of the UK says a lot about Britain and who is in charge. Can nothing be done with the BBC? Are they responsible to no one or thing? Does anyone know?
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 19, 2005 02:37 PM (rUyw4)
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jesusland joe
I understand yours and everyone elses frustration with the BBC - but it's an internal British thing so I'm not going to sweat it.
The same cultural and ideological battles between left & right (check that - left and common sense) that's being fought here is also going on there. It's more subdued and the right/common sense side is dis-organised and a lot less effective.
It's their thing - let them play it out. I find anger over it ineffective (and the left likes anger (theirs and ours)). I find mocking laughter to be a better tool - the left hates to be laughed at and held up for comic ridicule.)
Posted by: hondo at December 19, 2005 03:16 PM (3aakz)
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Maybe the BBC would prefer calling them "bunnies" or "muffins" or something similarly non-judgemental. You know, wouldn't want to be a barrier to "understanding" ...
Posted by: D. Carter at December 19, 2005 03:41 PM (Suv/B)
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I hear ya Hondo, the BBC is a problem for the Brits to sort out, but for me the frustration stems most from what the BBC used to be. For many decades the BBC was considered the most respected news service in the world. It's what many people literally in the middle of nowhere depended on to stay current. Now that respectability is completely gone.
JJ, the BBC isn't government run, it's just heavily subsidised by the government using that insane tv license. If the government really wanted to, they could do something about it, but Nu Labour is a strange breed. Yes Blair is going along with the GWOT, but he and his party are pushing a politically correct / nanny state agenda almost the same (in some respects far worse) than the US Dems, so I suppose there's no incentive.
Posted by: Graeme at December 19, 2005 04:03 PM (Wtu+d)
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IMO the BBC started to plunge downhill when - to save money - they started to tailor domestic radio (and to a lesser extent TV shows) so the same shows (typically news, politics and current events) could be recycled as part of the BBC World Service for overseas listeners/viewers. So the domestic audience gets news and politics that is spun in a way intended to appeal to listeners in the Middle East, Africa and the Indian sub-continent. That's what not calling a terrorist a terrorist is all about. They don't want to alienate potential listeners in Pakistan or Iran etc.
The BBC itself is paid for by the British public through 'licence fees' but the World Service is paid for by the UK government since it has a propaganda and prestige aspect. Obviously the two need to be ruthlessly separated to avoid continuing contamination of the domestic services.
It also doesn't help that the BBC elites recruit all their staff thru the job pages of the like-minded Guardian!
Posted by: John O'Connor at December 19, 2005 04:10 PM (HFpoN)
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I get all the foreign services and watch them - I just don't get it. The others have female announcers who are (dare say) hot babes - especially RAI! But the BBC? What's the problem!
They do have a couple of stand-ins - ethnic middle-eastern & sub-continent - who definitely derserve a lot more air time!
I try to look at things from all angles.
Posted by: hondo at December 19, 2005 04:30 PM (3aakz)
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Britain is in poor shape at the moment. You all do realise that in the current socio/political climate over there Monty Python and Benny Hill would have never make it on the air.
Posted by: hondo at December 19, 2005 04:45 PM (3aakz)
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Is the BBC really concerned that the terrorists won't buy their rag? :]
Seriously, when your speech is constrained by what it could possibly be interpreted as, you're already a dhimmy.
Posted by: Cheapshot911 at December 19, 2005 04:55 PM (PDG3N)
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Agent Smith says that without accuracy, the straight shot rag becomes a blunderbuss.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 20, 2005 05:56 AM (7pPFo)
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The word TERRORIST might hurt the feeling of the terrorists whats came over the BBC?
Posted by: sandpiper at December 20, 2005 09:03 AM (jAP6C)
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Britain is lost, as is the rest of Europe, and will both have subhuman muslim majorities within probably twenty years or so. It sickens me that the land of my ancestors will be inhabited by these subhuman scum. Muslims should be exterminated like the plague-ridden vermin they are.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 20, 2005 09:26 AM (0yYS2)
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IM, you sound like a real fucking genius. Or a skin-head. Fortunately for the rest of the world, your views are held pretty much to this venue — where you and your eight pissed-off friends can feel safe agreeing with each other. Go back to the bar you live at and pick up your KKK hood.
Posted by: Riff at December 20, 2005 09:44 AM (UHKaK)
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And you must be ragingtulip - (inside joke)
Posted by: hondo at December 20, 2005 11:21 AM (3aakz)
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Well, dumbass, I am in fact a real fucking genius, at least according to MENSA, so fuck you, moron. My views are really those of the majority, but most people are too nice to say what they really think. You and the rest of the idiot dhimmis need to be killed along with the muslims when the time comes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 20, 2005 11:34 AM (0yYS2)
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Sure you're a genius, sure you are--like the MENSA standards had fallen so far. Well, if you get time,give them a ring and tell them they fucked up; they forgot to add "bigot" to your resume, dick-breath.
Pissed-off little weiners that huddle in their rooms like diseased monkeys and plot their "revolutions" on blog sites are about the saddest fuckers around. Guess that's the price of being a "genius," eh? HA! If anybody is offed "when the times comes" I hoping its Nazis like you.
Posted by: Riff at December 20, 2005 12:25 PM (UHKaK)
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well a typical leftist accusation thrown out. Of course im speaking of "nazi" . Define Plague, and look at the characteristics,trends, and spread of islam, tell me they are not synonymous (plague and islam). And Riff, his views are held by most of the world, they're just not allowed to express them because they have been deemed ILLEGAL. Europe is turning into shit because of PC'ness and liberalism we're just trying to defend the home front.
If he hates islam (as I do) it does not make him a racist a nazi or an idiot. I hate cancer...Does that make me dumb?
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Which political wing's agenda are trying to spark a revolution?
Posted by: Alexander at December 20, 2005 01:21 PM (JnnHL)
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congrats maxie!
You really irked that lil' troll, especially with the MENSA hook!
Note - his ENTIRE second paragraph is a mirror image of himself! I could have written that paragraph myself (maybe I did in the past) as a typical left troll discription! We need a decent archives! I think I've been plagarized!
Posted by: hondo at December 20, 2005 01:39 PM (3aakz)
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Look, I know it's tough on you guys when you sit back and realize you're nothing more than cum stains on the boxer shorts of the world. But you are going to have to come to grips with the facts: you are bigoted, narrow-minded fucks that show up here, shielded by the anonymity of the Internet, not to hold intelligent discussions, but to agree with each other. That seems to support a delusion that the entire world shares your views.
Sitting in your one-room apartments, plunking away at your keyboards, screeching about the scary liberals, talking ONLY to those of a like-mind gives you no special insights, no grand understanding of "the way it is", no legitimacy and nothing special to say.
If it helps you vent, go for it — better than beating your wives or plucking wings off flies. But please, don't have the unmitigated balls to think you speak for any kind of majority. There is no way, NO way any significant number of Americans share the fucked-up viewpoints of human waste like Improbulus Maximus. I don't know any; but then again, I don't belong to the Aryan Brotherhood. If most right-wing blog sites are like this one, filled with no more than a half-dozen or so morons with delusions of importance, I think the world will be OK.
So go ahead, post your responses to this, rave about the fucked-up "dhimmis", agree with each other and, finally, call for revolution. I'm signing off and will never see it. You douche-bags are way too annoying.
Posted by: Riff at December 20, 2005 01:51 PM (UHKaK)
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Hooligan sides with the likes of John Traitor Kerry and Gail Sheehan, comes here repeating Defeatocrat talking points, rants about the eevils of Rush Limbaugh... then gets torqued when people call him a liberal?
If it looks like a duck...
Posted by: DaveP. at December 20, 2005 01:52 PM (6iy97)
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I thought conservatives were only Rich and educated.
Keep contradicting your own argument.
Posted by: Alex at December 20, 2005 02:05 PM (JnnHL)
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Hey Riffken,
Who are the annoying fucktards walking around ranting like fucking mongoloids that lost a crayon on the street corner holding picket signs on how eating steak is murderous? its not us "douche-bags" its your liberal open minded posse. The most annoying groups of HUMANS on this planet. MEAT IS MURDER 1234 we dont need your stinking war... Shut up it died in the 60's and people hated them too. Common sense rules!
Go find the missing crayon, and find out which chromsones your missing and stfu.
Posted by: Alexander at December 20, 2005 02:14 PM (JnnHL)
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Yo, slow down, buddy ... you're spitting all over everybody.
Posted by: Darth Evader at December 20, 2005 02:19 PM (UHKaK)
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Riff's funny! and helpful too!
The tired wornout discriptive cliches are extremely important to him (and totally useless no less). Typically the left places itself on a pedestal and defines itself by camparative analysis to its perceived foes. Its all self-delusional of course, which renders it totally ineffective.
But they can't (and refuse) to see that - which is fine by me.
Simple example - Riff is big because others (he distains) are small. The only basis (or measurement)for this exists solely in his mind.
Posted by: hondo at December 20, 2005 02:34 PM (3aakz)
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The disease just angers me, i will slow down.
Sorry.
Posted by: Alexander at December 20, 2005 02:41 PM (JnnHL)
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Heh. Yeah, I noticed that too, hondo. I've found that when libtards and other fanatics start flinging invective like monkeys tossing their own crap, they're usually projecting heavily, which goes far explaining why they're so angry. I suspect that most of them were molested as children, or were the schoolyard punching bag, or both, as there are few other things that can screw someone up so bad.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 20, 2005 03:43 PM (0yYS2)
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I'm still adding up all the elections they have won in the past few years, Maxie. Oh, yeah, 0(zero). Haha!
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 20, 2005 04:01 PM (rUyw4)
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I'm conservative, and BBC usually seems a bit pink to me, but they have it right this time.
A journalist's job is to report the facts, not what he thinks about the facts. This isn't a new idea. Ancient Greek philosopher Epictetus put it roughly thus:
"If a man drinks much wine, don't say he has a drinking problem. Say rather, 'He drinks much wine.'
If a man bathes rarely, don't say he has a hygene problem. Say rather, 'He bathes rarely.'"
It takes self-discipline and humility, but it keeps you from confusing what you know with your opinions about what you know. A professional news article has facts in it. Reporters who have opinions about the facts get to fight over the editorial page. Of course, neither you nor I have any reason to care what some flunky infotainer thinks about a car bomb, so let's forget about Op-Ed and stick to facts.
BBC is right by saying that using "terrorist" carelessly could get you in trouble with the facts. For instance, suppose a bomb goes off on a school bus in Baghdad. What else could it be? "A terrorist attack on a school bus in Baghdad today left 11 children dead..." you'd say if you were the reporter. But what are you going to say next week when the investigation discovers that actually one of the kids found a landmine and tried to bring it to school to show his friends? You look like a fool.
Posted by: ShannonKW at December 20, 2005 07:43 PM (dT1MB)
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"A journalist's job is to report the facts".
Now just what the hell has the facts got to do with the BBC. They quit reporting the facts a long time ago, soon after Epictetus made the allusion you refer to. Or it seems so, anyway.
That's just funny you putting the BBC and facts in the same sentence. And looking like a fool is what the BBC does on an hourly basis these days.
Shannon, you sound like a recent j-school graduate.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 20, 2005 09:14 PM (rUyw4)
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So if a bomb goes off in a school bus in Baghdad you believe it behooves you to hold judgement - like maybe lil' johnny just dropped his lunchbox and it went boom type thing?
That's deep!
With a hypothetical like that who is the fool here?
Posted by: hondo at December 20, 2005 10:42 PM (3aakz)
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Actually, I'm an electrical engineer, but I know what news is.
BBC does suck, yes, but in this narrow case I believe they are adhering to good form. It's not like they are demanding that amputees be called "differently-limbed" or some other PC dodge. They don't want their people to assume terrorism every time a truck backfires on on the Baghdad freeway. They're not trying to be sensitive to the feelings of terrorists.
BBC has some facts, usually. Their method of bias is the same as every other big Western news house's--facts dealing with pet causes go to the head of the line. They have a real hard-on (so to speak) for women's rights. If coital queefing is decriminalized in Kyrgyzstan they'll make space to trumpet it as a victory, nevermind if a civil war just broke out in that country.
They give you facts, just not all the facts. If you know of a world news outlet that does post all the facts, please post a link.
Posted by: ShannonKW at December 20, 2005 11:00 PM (dT1MB)
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...oh, and hondo, since you don't like my hypothetical case, here's a real-world one.
Remember the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building? Remember how, right after that, every newsman and his dog was going off about how "terrorism has finally reached our shores," and speculating about what type of Muslim fanatic did the deed? Remember the embarassment when the FBI nabbed some pink, clean-cut, Christian terrorists? I sure do. It was funny to watch. If I recall correctly, my local news anchor said...
"Er... Uhm... Wuh-wuh-wuh-well, we just *assumed*..."
Everybody knows how "ASS-U-ME" breaks down. Getting your facts straight isn't the same thing as being liberal.
Posted by: ShannonKW at December 20, 2005 11:22 PM (dT1MB)
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Well, now haven't we heard everything?? I think not- - to the BBC I say "GET REAL, a damn terrorist is just that-a terrorist and if an horrendous act of terrorism is committed, then that's exactly what it is-terrorism! Get off your "politically correct high horse and try "realism". It is what it is!
J Gagnon-Golden CO-USA and proud of it!
Posted by: June Gagnon at December 21, 2005 12:57 AM (2FzlO)
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shannon
Relax. My only comment was with the hypothetical you presented - let's be honest - it was terrible!
I did understand your point - your followup was dead on the money.
Actually, I do agree with you. I do in fact use the BBC and one of my primary sources of information.
"Assumptions" drawn from minimal information is a human trait and failing - and natural. Constructive analysis does not come easy - especially when emotions enter the equation.
We are in related fields - objective analysis goes with the job - but we had to learn it.
Posted by: hondo at December 21, 2005 01:26 AM (3aakz)
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