January 26, 2006
On post-Weimar Hamas
Abbas [singing]: Oh Hamas! You repaid my abuse with raw hatred. But I need you today. Oh Hamas! When you blew up some Jews and you framed me. So they locked me away...
Maybe it's my recent re-reading of Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich talking, but someone stop me if I am crazy in seeing a few hard and fast similarities between Hamas and the late-1920s/early-1930s Nazi Party:
- both elected during times of minimal government control of the territory and in an area with a "poor" economic prospects, at best
- both groups gained fame as organizations for street thugs through open and unabashed violence
- both love a good outdoor ralley with pretty flags, weapons, and nationalistic chanting
- both love artistic posters in public places
- both appealed to the population with the promotion of territorial unification and seeking retribution against the Jews
- both were hoped to be "toned down" through elections and elevation within democratic offices, as world leaders rationalized that previous thuggish activities could never play well from a ruling government
Then again, there is one dissimilarity that really hits me. In November 1932, the last election before Hitler became Chancellor and the Nazis truly solidified power, the NSDAP only had 33.6% of parlimentary seats (down from the previous July, in which the Nazi held their greatest Weimar-era seat percentage at 37.8%). It seems that Hamas picked up about 57.5% of seats, with 76 out of 132.
I'm just sayin', is all.
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There's one big difference this time, though: the Jews are armed.
Heavily armed.
Posted by: Damian P. at January 26, 2006 02:04 PM (AVn2f)
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Hey there you are! Welcome back Wine-0-Holic
Posted by: Howie at January 26, 2006 02:38 PM (D3+20)
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I'd like to say regarding Damian's remark, I really would like to see another attempt by the assorted islamic scum of the ME to invade Israel again.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 03:08 PM (0yYS2)
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One more similarity...they both elected HITLER...
a Hamas member who goes by the nickname Hitler was elected yesterday.
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 26, 2006 03:24 PM (Hj2fX)
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This whole situation in the so-called Gaza strip and West Bank is a creation of the UN. After Israel was born out of the disaster that was WWII, the Arabs who were displaced should have been absorbed by the Arab nations all around them, but they were herded into refuge camps where they have stayed to this day. Of course, rather than assimalate with the Arab states all around them, they have been encouraged to sit around and do nothing while being taken care of cradle to grave by the UN.
They have been allowed to do nothing. This breeds hate and gives hate the time to turn into genocide. Had these people carried on with their lives, they would be too busy to hate. But now, we see with our own eyes the situation that continues to unfold. We will be lucky if this area is not engulfed in a conflagration that could turn global.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 26, 2006 03:48 PM (rUyw4)
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Another similarity between the two: Both were given a free pass for not being as corrupt as the government they replaced (se Jimmy Carter's comments today). At least the trains run on time....
Posted by: Brian B at January 26, 2006 03:51 PM (rGfpg)
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The big difference is that the Nazis were Germans, a people renowned for having their act together. The Palestinians are Arabs...
I'm sure they must be good at something aside from making noisy displays and long speeches, but I'm drawing a blank here.
The Germans applied their orderly mindset to asswhuppage and the problem of ethnic diversity with famously extreme results. Their tall bodycount has less to do with the extent of their hatred than with their talent for killing people and the serious, methodical, German way they tackled the project. They pioneered mass murder as an industrial process.
Arabs are not Germans or anything like them. Seriously, picture a concentration camp run by Arabs. Here's a hint if you're having trouble: They wouldn't manage it any better than anything else. Half the Jews would escape in weeks through holes in the fences because the guy hired to repair them is the commandant's son-in-law and never comes to work; or maybe they'd just climb out because the only thing the guards can hit with their AKs is the sky when they fire them at weddings. Not many Jews would die inside because the gas chamber would fall into disrepair, start leaking and kill people standing near it, so the guards would be afraid to use it.
However ill-suited to running Auchwitz the Palestinians would be, they are even less able to arrange the situation in the first place. This would require a victory on the battlefield. Not only do they lack the talent for this, but they show no interest in acquiring it. Their idea of armed struggle against Israel involves showy but pointless things like sporadic suicide attacks on discos and firing one 81mm mortar round per day in the general direction of Tel Aviv. A German (or an American) would save up that ammo for a proper bombardment, bring it down on an identifiable target, and follow up with an assault.
I don't see Hamas turning this around. The worst they could do is raise the meyhem level some.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 26, 2006 04:17 PM (dT1MB)
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If I might, since we're bringing up Germans here, relay a brief story that happened recently. I opened my big fat mouth the other day and had my foot halfway to my tonsils before I realized what I was saying. We were discussing a new local German restaurant with our bartender who is also German. She said the food was authentic and very good, great weiner schnitzel, etc., but that the restaurant used to be a pizzeria with a large brick oven so they still carried pizza on the menu to utilize it. Then me - in my infinite curiosity - I asked her,
"Well isn't there something that Germans do with big ovens?"
I thought everyone in the bar was going to choke to death before I realized what I'd said. Thankfully the bartender thought it was as funny as everyone else. I was a little embarassed to say the least.
Posted by: Oyster at January 26, 2006 05:11 PM (YudAC)
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Heh, good one Oyster. D'Oh!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 10:46 PM (0yYS2)
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I don't see the similarity.
The Nazis were snappy dressers - if anything - they did know how to make a fashion statement without being ostentatious. Can't see arabs coming even close with towels and sheets.
Posted by: hondo at January 27, 2006 12:58 AM (3aakz)
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The attraction that Nazism holds for muslims is predicated mainly on hatred for the Jews, but secondarily, it combines ethnic nationalism, xenophobia, aggressive military and cultural expansionism, and socialism, all of which appeal to persons of low intellect, and especially those from a backward culture. Ironically, Nazism is finding fertile ground among various and diverse groups around the globe, and it's not unusual to go over to Stormfront and find Nazi white supremacists and communists taking sides with muslims and liberals against their own countrymen. The Stormfront message board in places looks as if the comments were lifted from Kos or DU verbatim.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 27, 2006 01:29 PM (0yYS2)
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Reactions to Hamas' Win From Middle Eastern Press
While most Middle Eastern news outlets still have stories posted projecting a Fatah victory based on exit polling, a few have reacted to the real story. These two, from opposite sides of the Israeli-Palestinian fence, offer similar Pollyanna takes:
al Jazeera sees a tiny ray of sunshine:
And in a first sign of pragmatism, Mahmoud Zahar, a top Hamas official, said the group would extend its year-old truce if Israel reciprocates. "If not, then I think we will have no option but to protect our people and our land," he said.
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Jerusalem Post looks on the bright side:
"Now that they are in power, Hamas will have to take responsibility for the future. They will have to become more moderate. Now they are part of the democratic game and they will have to play by the democratic rules," Siniora said.
Siniora, a 69-year-old east Jerusalemite Christian, is publisher of The Jerusalem Times and a co-CEO of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information. An early proponent of negotiations with Israel, he has long been involved in pro-peace activities. He was one of seven candidates contending for one of the two seats reserved for Christians in the Jerusalem district, but is unlikely to win the seat.
Unfortunately, the reality will probably be much grimmer, at least in the short run. For years, it's been obvious that Palestinian society has been undergoing a forced evolution. The smart Palestinians have found ways to escape their role as tools of Pan-Arabism, and gotten out.
What's left are the dregs, mentally damaged barbarians who have bred a sick, twisted culture based on celebrating terrorist acts. What else can you say about a society that deifies degenerates who deliberately seek out children to murder?
Are there enough intelligent, mentally healthy Palestinians left to build a civilized society? I don't think so, but I'd be very glad to be proved wrong.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto .
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Now if they can only have a state of their own, we can invade them properly and exterminate them like the vermin they are.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 01:13 PM (0yYS2)
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Maxie
You are a far too violent and ham-handed in your appoach to such problems! Get creative! Explore some alternative possiblities!
Say, a small size asteroid - a nice secret lil' challenge for NASA - diverted and redirected for a global impact - in the immediate region. Putting those Space and High Tech Defense dollars to work! Keeping our hands clean and options open.
Posted by: hondo at January 26, 2006 01:28 PM (3aakz)
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Quick! Call Al Gore! Call John Kerry and Jimmy Carter! Call Keith Olberman and Jim Lampley! The exit polls don't match the outcome! The outcome must be fraudulent. The exit polls are never wrong! Quick, somebody file a lawsuit!
Posted by: geobandy at January 26, 2006 01:50 PM (T1l1O)
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HAMAS WINS: NOTHING WILL REALLY CHANGE
Before the election, Israel had no partner for a negotiated settlement, and it still doesn't have one.
Arafat said he recognized israel and then secretly ran a terror campaign to destroy Israel.
Abbas was either ineffective, or willingly allowed the terrorists REMAIN ARMED and to attack Israel however and whenever they wanted.
Now - through elections - Hamas gets control of the so called "Palestinian's" so called "government" and I predict that - effectively speaking - they will do the same things as Arafat and Abbas: claim they have reformed and claim they are willing to negotiate, but continue to attempt to destroy Israel and to continue to commit genocidal terror against Israelis.
Israel has only one way forward (KADIMA is hebrew for "forward"):
To continue to do what it has been doing for the last few years: to unilaterally disengage according to parameters which are solely in its own interest and to build a wall keeping Palistinians out, and to monitor all transport and communications into and out of Arab Palestine. And to retaliate with extreme force to any attack or any provocation of any attack.
NOTE: Hamas may claim to reform (as Arafat did) - in order to get funding from the USA and the EU and the UN, but their members - and the members of the other jihadoterrorist groups - won't suddenly become believers in (or practioners of) peaceful co-existence. The children these Arabs have raised to proudly become "human-guided/genocidal missiles" will not suddenly become doves or lambs. The war will go on.
FURTHER NOTE: I predict that Israel will IMMEDIATELY, AND WITH ALL DUE HASTE, move toward total and final separation by closing down the less defendable West Bank settlements and finishing and fortifying the "wall of separation." This will be along a line of Israel's choosing and it will include all of Jerusalem.WHY?! So that they will be in the BEST POSSIBLE militarily defensive position to withstand the "firestorm" which will be ignited when they and/or the US demolish Iran's nuke program and destroy Iran's offensive military capability. The pre-emptive attack against Iran will occur as soon as this is completed.
UPDATE: There's an UPSIDE to this election result: after the next jihadoterrorist attack, Hamas biggies will be much easier for the IDF to assassinate - unless they intend to rule from a bunker!
Posted by: reliapundit at January 26, 2006 02:19 PM (+z3qw)
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Maybe Bush could point his hurricane/tsunami generator at the paleostinians?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 03:09 PM (0yYS2)
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I guess it's now safe to say that the terrorists are no longer a tiny minority of Palestinians, but the vast majority of Palestinians.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 26, 2006 05:12 PM (rUyw4)
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Nah! I want a celestial impact - its got a certain quality to it. Of course portions of Israel might be toasted - but its not personal - just good business.
Posted by: hondo at January 26, 2006 06:22 PM (3aakz)
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I personally don't give a good flying damn about Israel really, and whether it continues to exist is of no concern to me whatsoever one way or another, but the paleostinians, along with all other arabs and muslim scum, need to be exterminated for the good of humanity.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 26, 2006 10:45 PM (0yYS2)
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January 21, 2006
Hamas Hires Spin Doctor
With generations of Jew-hating suicide bombers as members, Hamas has been perceived as a group of fanatical murderers. This apparently conflicts with a desire to be seen as a peaceful community outreach organization. As a result, Hamas has hired a spin doctor to establish a new image among the Europeans and Americans.
From the Guardian:
The organisation, also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement, has hired a media consultant, Nashat Aqtash, to improve its image at home and abroad because it expects to emerge from next week's Palestinian general election as a major political force, and wants recognition and acceptance by the US and EU.
"Hamas has an image problem. The Israelis were able to create a very bad image of the Palestinians in general and particularly Muslims and Hamas. My contract is to project the right image," said Mr Aqtash, who also teaches media at Birzeit University in Ramallah.
That's it. Hamas has an image problem because it was created by the Israelis.
I suspect Mr. Aqtash may have difficulty selling that notion.
Aqtash has encouraged Hamas' leaders to quit saying they want to destroy Israel and to stop celebrating suicide bombings. Unfortunately, the destruction of Israel is in the founding charter of Hamas. Take it away and there is no reason for Hamas to exist. With regard to stopping celebrations after murders, good luck. Hamas has successfully created a whole culture centered on weapons, explosives, and hatred of Jews.
Nevertheless, Mr. Aqtash will reportedly get $180,000 for his efforts. It's not clear whether he has to achieve results to get paid. On a related note, if Mr. Aqtash is getting paid to paint Hamas in a positive light, one has to wonder how much the BBC, Reuters, NYTimes, WaPo, Ass. Press and others are collecting.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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I hate to tell you this, but the next publicists for Hamas are going to be the United States, Western Europe, and the Israelis who make their decisions based on FEAR of America...
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 21, 2006 06:15 PM (5Hrts)
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So this Aqtash guy is the first publicist?
I thought Hamas already had Anderson Cooper and Crescent News Network on the payroll.
Posted by: Brad at January 22, 2006 08:34 AM (BJYNn)
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True, Brad, how true it is, and pathetic. The Terrorist Enabler Network(TEN) would be a better logo and more accurate. Kinda catchy, don't ya think?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 22, 2006 10:28 AM (rUyw4)
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Joe it is catchy,more honest, and the "smart 50%" would probably not have a problem with it.
Posted by: Brad at January 22, 2006 12:55 PM (BJYNn)
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