1 Rusty, you have data and a causal theory about revealing the identities of hostages in Iraq. Why not write it up social-science-style?

2 "The Jawa Report was the first American media to reveal Carroll's name after she was taken hostage on January 7th. The Christian Science Monitor had asked news media to not report miss Carroll's name in those early hours, no doubt taking advice from the State Department which believes such information can be harmful. We disagree." I didn't know you guys were this type of jerks.

3 What's a 'social science'?? Anyway, from talking to hostages and their families, this is THEIR theory which I respect a lot more than that of the State Department.

4 We all know what kind of a jerk you are, Actus. Why don't you go troll somewhere else? My theory is you are the dumb ass agents we had here for several weeks before you started commenting again. They have now mysteriously disappeared, and you have reappeared. What a coincidence. Rusty, you have done it right. Keep up the good work. Actus has never shown any concern for our hostages before, as he and his ilk are more likely to say "screw 'em".

5 The kind of 'jerks' who have actually taken the time to talk to the families of hostages and who listen to what the hostages themselves have to say about it. That kind.

6 "My theory is you are the dumb ass agents we had here for several weeks before you started commenting again. " Who? "Actus has never shown any concern for our hostages before, as he and his ilk are more likely to say "screw 'em"." I have a friend who knows this girl, and am delighted that you have ignored the requests of the people she was working for.

7 What is it about libtards that they just have to try to make good, decent people hate them? I can't say why myself, but I'd like to line 'em all up and shoot them with one bullet if I could, just to avoid wasting more than one bullet.

8 Does any one think that Bush will do as Al-Qaeda is requesting? No This is what Bush is living by he instigates and creates such rehearsed acts. The publicity just gives more reason for Bush to stay in Iraq under false justification. Bush ordered her taking and her killing. Bush is the terrorist. It is time now to reveal the truth and from this day on whoever of you who decide to take up with any of Allah's enemies and the ones that have turned on Islam Let it be known that Allah is great and he knows who each and every one of you is the trader the enemy and the hypocrite. So let us make option number four option number one of Bin Laden and Bin Laden alone without any members of the al-qaeda. Let us say that Bin Laden is working with President Bush right now as we speak and lets say that even going back to the 9/11 and to the bus load of children in Russia to the London attacks. Please let us continue with the truth and let me reveal the truth I know that most typical Americans do not like the truth and they do not accept the truth, mainly because the people of the USA are on satins path and that is the easy path do not disturb all things handed only evil filled with greed with no principals of life and no values at all. So now we have the truth out and all that really care to go with Allah in the after and those who really care about peace on earth you will listen and you will see the truth and you will take the defense of this earth for peace for Allah and for Islam. Please make your minds clean for one moment and listen to all that is going to be said to you. Just imagine Bin Laden teamed up with Bush, All recruiters from Islam seek Bin Laden for the justice and the principals and loyalty that each individual has to fight for the cause of Islam and to fight against the enemies that have invaded their lands killing their people every day. These individuals are fighting for the same cause that the USA military is fighting for in a matter of speaking, but what is the same is that they are both fighting by the same guides they are both being MIS LEAD. USA military is lead by Bush with his orders for what? To fight to justify the 9/11 and to take out a bad President. That is not what the USA military is there for at all it is all an illusion created by the enemy of Allah Satan and he lives and breathes from the Washington, DC each and every USA President Satan lives through. Now you have Bin Laden he recruits by telling the people they need to fight for a good cause Islam for Allah against the enemies and all is understandable and taken and right, But, Bin Laden is not having the ql-qaeda fighters for the real principals No, Just like Bush they have their own reasons for this fight for these killings, a show that will never end conflicted chaos by the USA as usual Satan loves nothing better then to cause chaos and put one another against each other causing so much chaos that you will not even know who the enemy is any more. But for sure Bush and Laden think that they have fooled the world and they have but not this one no I am lead and I have been chosen by Allah to guide the good people to the right direction and save the good Muslims from turning. After the 9/11 attacks yes Bush had planned for the hide out for Bin and secure of his family. The end results for these two are world dominance control of the world inflicted by evil greed by Satan him self. Bush and Bin have certain attacks set up to be taken out by a mislead faithful good Muslim who is only thinking that he is serving Allah when in fact he is only serving Satan for mislead by Bush and Bin. After these attacks are taken out the blame goes on to the Muslims of Islam as from the beginning of the 9/11, Then Bush keeps his excuses and he justifies why he is invading other countries, because Iraq is the first on the list. Sure the USA gov society has made you now wanting to go against the Muslims because you want their oil yah you want because you are mislead by evil greed by Satan. Then while innocent good loyal Muslims are fighting by mislead reasons Bush has justification to continue his terror acts around the world. Who do you think killed those school children in Russia? Yes, you know as Bush said al-qaeda but what Bush left out is that al-qaeda is Bush and Bin. You see so while the entire world is being mislead and brainwashed thousands of lives each day are being killed all for Satan to have his way. The USA is great for causing chaos they have caused so much chaos in Iraq that Bush succeeded his plan so far. But that is because he has not been revealed until now. Bush plans to let the Muslims kill each other pull out the USA troops now because he knows his work is in full motion. Then Bin get s to come in after all USA troops are gone and Bin as promised get s to lead Iraq and the Islam worlds but little does Bin know that Satan really lies within Bush and Bush will have Bin killed and then he will have control over all the people and take out Islam. This is his plan and then he will be in control of the oils just as the USA started with invading and killing the Indians Satan is still at his work. If you can take another minute and look back at history of chaos inflicted by the USA. The biggest discrepancy through Islam and christen is Jesus as who he is. There is no one in this world that can justify who Jesus was. The only thing that is possible to say and to know is that Jesus was a messenger of GOD and the only acknowledgment of Jesus that is important and fact is that all people should agree on this. Islam does agree on this so why the conflict? Because the USA wants to create chaos Satan wants to create chaos by the Americans being evil and ignorant to just cause chaos they turn around and say Jesus is GOD. When in fact I as I speak know that Jesus is not GOD. In the Quran it states that you are not a true believer if you do not believe and accept that Jesus was a messenger of GOD and most of you do not even know that. You only know what Satan wants you to know. I If I call on each person in the world to open up your hearts and minds and turn to Allah and seek in him the answer from the information that I have just revealed to all of you on behalf of Allah. As I will not stand by and watch this ignorance and dis respect of Allah and his people and his earth not one more second. I have revealed the truth and I will do what ever I have to in order to protect Allah by the principals of Islam for my true good brothers and sisters of Islam. Islam calls for peace and unity between Muslims not chaos amongst ourselves. The Quran also demands for justice to defend Islam for peace and stability of the Muslims make no doubt about this and all shall do as Allah expects from us. The enemy has spreaded his evil across the world and creating chaos every where you turn. If we all did what is expected of us from Allah there would not be is much chaos. Allah will seek to help us true believers on his own. At his will he will wipe out Millions not thousands by any hurricane or earthquake or other disasters as such as the people still are turning away from him. He now will take the bird flu and he will make a start himself there will be millions and millions to die it will be so bad that you will see people laying in the streets dying from this disease. It is not curable at Allah's will you cannot change. This will be the final awareness that you will receive of this matter. It is up to each and every person here on this earth to choose which path they will take keep with Satan Bush and Bin relief and peace through Allah. Americans must reestablish a new government and Islam must establish a new jihad with principals by the Quran only. I am ready to help both sides I have solutions for both sides but it is all up to the people as to what they want and what they choose. The dat will come soon that I will be able to reveal all of my plans and we can then unite and work for real world peace. Your Islam Sister, Alison Shunstrom ashunstrom@yahoo.com

9 The evil ones are the ones taking hostages. Not Rusty. Not the State Department. There are no right answers when you're guessing on which methodology works better with a bunch of homicidal maniacs. Do you cut the red wire, or the blue wire? When the timer is at 00:01, you close your freakin' eyes and cut.

10 The really scary thing about Allison is that she is an AOL user. That means she's here, in the U.S. I shiver to think.....

11 The ID thing is water under the bridge - I myself felt it was a mistake without at least family permission. Either way - back on topic It doesn't look good for her. The MSM is in a bind. Its staked itself out as essentially anti-Bush's Iraq - but can't acknowledge its own fears and dislikes of the nature & ideology of the actual enemy. Engage a muslim (conservative or otherwise) in discussion - you will discover their contempt and distain for the Western Left and its values - its amazing! At least she had the courage to go outside and confront her fears and aprehensions to cover a story (regardless of her slant). The rest of the MSM will remain in their hotels and within the Green Zone and phonne it in ala Hunter Thompson.

12 Guess the mothership has arrived!

13 And all along I thought the anti-Christ was going to be a man, and it turns out to be female named Allison. Who'd a thunk it?

14 So Alison, I believe Jesus is the Son of God. One of the three parts of the Trinity and I will never change that belief. I am willing to leave you alone with your heresy. What would you do with me?

15 actus, go back to getting ripped apart by Goldstein. Clod.

16 How ironic that the leftard Allison posted right after me, considering what I had said. It's going to be great when they do decide to try to take over America, I'm going to build a mountain of skulls and park my recliner on top of it.

17 "actus, go back to getting ripped apart by Goldstein." Mr. 'i'm not end of history but I know you are."

18 Actus, just go back anywhere but here!

19 Alison, go take your Midol.

20 That screed by Allison has to be the best one yet. It isn't a lack of Midol that caused it, slug, but a complete lack of any sense. My God, girl, seek immediate medical attention!

21 Rusty, I think someone is trying to provoke a poopstorm against this alison by posting her email address here attached to this crap. Especially since you said the poster tracks back to an AOL address but apparently uses a yahoo email.

22 I think you are doing a good job Rusty. When hostages are brought to the attention of the media all the time it does save the hostage's life. When people forget about hostages, the terrorists kill them. Look at Dean Sadek, Aban Elias and Jeffrey Ake. They have been missing for a year and nothing has been mentioned of them. Dean and Aban's captors never made a single demand. Their families have been silent. In my opinion, the fact that Roy Hallums's family(God bless them) kept Roy's plight in the media helped him greatly. It kept him alive because the terrorists knew that Roy's family and compnay were willing to negotiate.

23 I can't believe Allison is anything but a troll. But assuming she isn't, you can see what we're up against. Self-loathing American liberals so bent on trying to be fair-minded, that they lose touch with reality and endanger this country. I'm with the guy who wanted to get 'em all with just one bullet. I'm sure some of you remember the late 60s in the US. That was wild and sometimes violent. But I can't ever remember the kind of vitriolic hatred expressed by the left for the country that makes their pathetic lives possible. Makes me want to puke.

24 According to the Associated Press, The name of the group that kidnapped Jill Carroll is The Revenge Brigade. The name appeared in a logo on the video. It looks like Al Qaeda was full of shit when it said they kidnapped her.

25 As if NOT revealing the identity of Carroll would have kept her safer. Puleeeze. And Allison, could you repeat that please?

26 thirdee Safer? No. But it would have shielded the family here in the US from media attention which could have been unwanted (at a time of family crisis) and disturbing. Its my understanding Rusty spoke to the family prior - I hope so. If not, (and it was my family) I would be pissed. Anyone want to argue that with me - feel free. It may appear I'm siding with actus on this particular point - so what.

27 I think it was common knowledge in the journalism ranks that Jill Carroll was the only female reporter in Iraq working for the Christian Science Monitor. The press already knew it was Jill, so I don't know why Rusty publishing her name had any effect on the family, but hey, I could be wrong. I do know that Rusty has been there for the hostages when no one else even cared, and that covers a lot of sins as far as I am concerned.

28 Had the family asked us not to publish her name, we would have respected their wishes. It was the CSM that asked, not the family, and not because it might hurt the family. For some odd reason these organizations believe that the less publicity the better.

29 Also, had the CSM asked us we also would have complied for a time, but they didn't. I guess we are a little below their radar screen, eh?

30 More from our good friend Alison, perhaps from a previous life. http://victoriaadvocate-proxy.nandomedia.com/special_sections/I_remember/story/2154489p-2495918c.html

31 Rusty That's all you gotta say - I trust you. When my unit first deployed to Iraq that was one of our fears - some guy getting himself captured - and the media camping out in front of the family's home for reaction. NYC is THE media market - imagine the possiblitiy. We set up an ad hoc rear group just in case .. off the clock, civilian clothes - even touched bases (un-offical of course) with the local PD pcts. Anything goes down - we'd be there. Media would expect an unopposed circus - instead they'd get a variation of "the family business approach".

32 First of all, I do not believe Alison is a female. Female muslims are not allowed to speak as she did in that post. Second of all, the male terrorist supporter is in a country that allows the use of the internet. This means they could very well be in the US. As someone else pointed out, that is a very scary thought, but it is possible there are many of them here. We have allowed them to come here and hide out, waiting for the right time. It's coming, don't think for one moment we are safe from them here. They are fanatics, incapable of reason or morals as we know them. They hate our way of life, our freedoms, and the fact that, while we are not perfect, we have options in life. They do not, and will never have. We can never be like you, so we will kill you ubless you become backward, fanatical, and violent. That is the long and the short of it. They cannot be reasoned with, understood, changed, shamed, or sanctioned. They have nothing to lose and no incentive to live tis life well. The only incentives given to them are to die for allah so they can go to heaven Got the picture????? Geeeeezzzzz. How mny people will have to star in one of their snuff films before the people in the rest of the world wake uop? Or do we want to be afraid in our own neighbourhoods of these things happening here? It's coming folks.

33 Why bother reacting to a denizen from the Mothership? Its un-necessary wear and tear on the keyboard.

34 I think that whoever kidnapped this woman and is threatening to kill her are agents of Satan and despicable demonic monster scumbag sons of whores who deserve to die a slow torturous death.. What bunch of evil woman killers..you morons.. you lowlife monsters..

35 >>>but I'd like to line 'em all up and shoot them with one bullet if I could, just to avoid wasting more than one bullet. roflmao!!!

36 Family permission? Since when did that stop the major news networks from publishing names of kidnapped people known worldwide, huh? IMHO if Rusty was the first to publish in America it doesn't change anything at all. Please don't pay any attention to the noise of the tinfoil brigades, whose agenda as we know is to divert attention and blame everyone else except the evil kidnapping thugs who created this situation in the first place. Shame on them, not Rusty.

37 Somebody call CNN, and find Eason Jordan. It turns out somebody really is targeting journalists and reporters.

38 I agree with the decision to publicize the name of the hostage. It humanizes her and makes bad propaganda if they kill her. I recall that the Dept of Defense advised the families of Vietnam POWs not to draw attention to their husbands in Communist captivity, for fear it would make their situation worse. It was bad advice. When the wives mounted their own propaganda campaign to publicize the plight of their husbands, it turned the tables on the North Vietnamese. Their treatment improved from that point forward because so much attention was focused on them. Admiral Stockdale claimed that his wife saved his life by publicizing his situation. Quite frankly, the State Department has never impressed me as a bastion of good judgement. I would not accept their advice at face value. That said, my gut feeling is that the reporter's kidnappers are common criminals posing as terrorists who will settle for a ransom covertly paid. We should not pay it but rather post a reward for information leading to the capture or killing of the kidnappers.

39 You see, once again, religious beliefs cloud a persons mind. Alison believes that Islam fights for a good cause, "ALLAH". When in fact she had no knowledge of ALLAH when she was born. ALLAH was taught to her by her parents because that is what they believed. She (like so many others) failed to to stand up for her self. Be a leader not a follower. She (like so many others)fall upon a "follow" state of mind. NOTE* I am not a DR. in the phsycological area. I am not a doctor at all. I consider myself an American because I live here, I was born here. I am a "leader" I choose what I want to believe in. I have read the stories of Jesus and Allah and see no difference in the sense that both state that what they do is for good and to believe in them or in Jesus's case, his father. I do not care for either. I don't know of any God's. I have never met one and if you have, by all means introduce me to him/her. What I do see is racial, religious, mislead psycos taking an innocent civilian and killing him/her. I don't recall seeing a U.S. Military soldier doing this. I don't see President Bush living the "high-life" while his country lives poverty. I like the way America does business. We have become the most powerful country because we have everyone from around the world (that includes muslims) unite with us. They help pay (with taxes) and defend their own freedom. This is what no other country will give them. If Islam is so great why do muslims move to America. Does Allah have stock in 7-eleven stores. (LOL- j/k .I had to throw that one in.) Listen, all I'm saying is that we are all human beings and just because we have different beliefs and opinions. we don't need to fight over that. You have to live for the moment. GET A LIFE AND WHEN YOU DO, ENJOY IT!

40 The Islamic Witch test If she can demonstrate her support for terror her 'credentials' will win her release. If she is innocent she will be beheaded. The irony being that rather then being burned at the stake, as a witch, she is released to burn us. So we can only hope she is a collaborator and so earns her safe release. That is why, I suspect, her fellow newsies wanted to cover up the abduction as that would provide them time to demonstrate she 'deserved' to be released. Also... How many of these 31 newsies siezed were on their way to an interview? Doesn't that always seem to be the pattern? So why isn't anyone investigating the potential 'leaks' of these interviewees to terrorists?

41 I feel for Jill, just the same as I would for anyone (including muslims) who is threatened and/or killed without reason. She like so many others were doing what they enjoyed most, telling the truth. She reported so many things that were vital to everyone. She saw first hand what was really happening. The only mistake was being there. (my opinion) Just because you want to be noble and do the right thing doesn't always mean you have to put yourself in harms way. As I can say for myself. I wouldn't be there unless I really had to. She had a choice just like others (nicholas berg). It's the same as what's going on in the next city. For instance, The next city over from yours is known as a high crime rate with killings almost everyday. Do you buy a house there. HELL NO!! And that is what she did. She knew the consiquences and put up tent in there front lawn. I feel bad saying all this but if I have to spell this one out to save lives, I will. America has Military. They are trained to defend and kill if necessary, Oh and some of our U.S. Military soldiers do have Islam background. How's that for Ironic. But, just the same they too are brave and they too are Americans that I would stand next to and be proud to defend our freedom. With that said, let them handle the situation, mean while, any non-military person, please stay away from there. I wish the safe return of Jill and everyone else there, especially our troops. Don't be religious, BE CIVIL

42 T.B.: There's lots of killing done by non-religious people, too. Don't fall prey to "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." YBP

43 Point Taken Youngbourbonprofessional, i was just speaking to the issue at hand. This war is based solely on religious beliefs. "Jihad". But, I do see your point as well. I think others have jumped on the band wagon. Also, I didn't mean "don't be religious" as it came out wrong. Be religious and have your beliefs but don't try to make others understand them. It's offensive.

44 Dear Taco Bandit: Hmmm. How about "Try To Explain Why You Believe Something But Don't Force Your Beliefs On Others"? Pax, YBP

45 the U$ should release all iraqi female prisoners- the only reason they hold them is for bargaining chips against iraqi males who participate in defending their homeland. once they are released- and according to the BBC they just released all but 2 of the iraqi female prisoners today, then Jill should be released. this website still sucks balls tho'

46 YBP, I take it that you are religious. If so, may ask what religion? Whay are you religious? an Why did you choose that religion out of so many religions? Taco Bandit

47 That is true you are no Doctor or anything in that nature. I am a native American, I was deprived learning Islam, I was born Muslim and since I found Islam by the grace of Allah leading me where I belong. That is where you are correct, I would have been weak and could not claim such if I were only taught by my parents Islam, but for my strength that Allah has given me to be a true good Muslim I am more stronger and more wiser then the Muslims of Islam that were brought up Islam by their parents. I do not have to answer to any of you, I only have to answer to Allah. But as a good Muslim, I would like to offer this to you as you were in the dark and now that you have been en lightened by this truth you it may help guide you and make you realize that what I speak is of only truth. As for me being a female and you saying that I as a female Muslim am not allowed to speak you see that is how deprived you also have been and without knowledge of Islam. Allah expects of a woman the same loyalty and faithfulness as of the man. Allah expects the woman to act accordant and feminine yes but Allah Loves more the woman that can fulfill all of Allah's wishes and then to be loyal to Allah's wishes to help spread protect and defend Islam. Please all of you go to your local Mosque and you can ask for a Quran and read it. You should not fear the truth. It is typical for Americans to ignore the truth and to not accept it. But the time has come that it is demanded to live by the truth and no more lies. You will find out that you CANNOT be a true Muslim If you do not Believe and accept Jesus as Allah's messenger. You see, you people do not know anything about Islam you just listen to all the lies. None of you accept Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) Allah's last and final messenger. This is the conflict and the problem, you then try to turn around and cause chaos and create problems by saying that Jesus, Allah's messenger is in fact Allah is in fact GOD. Do you know how ignorant you people are to even suggest such an ignorant thing? It shows that you disrespect Allah and you do not appreciate your lives. The USA just wants to create chaos spreading their evil ways so they can profit and change and be in charge. You have no respect for any one or anything. You think the way that others live are wrong because you could not live the way they live. Go to another country a poor one and you will see who has the principals who has the values and who are the happy ones you will see that you are the losers and you are the jealous and you are the evil ones filled with hate, to just destroy and take over not thinking about any one or anything. Only your greedy selves in what you can get and take.

48 The false prophet seeks to decieve by speaking of Jesus. Yes Lucifer tells many lies and appears as an Angel of light. The basis of Satanism is to offend god. That is why they say the Lords Prayer backwards. It's the same as when terrorists call out to god as they butcher an innocent. No man or woman can live and "equitable relationship" with God. What man can stand before God and be judged. None not one. Well there is one whom Allison speaks of. But had she ever known him she would see the idol worship and how the offense to God in his name make Lucifer smile. We are bless because of Gods will not in spite of it. Tell me if Islam is doing God's will why are it's countries not the most blessed. Would God ever bestow such great blessing to our stewardship if it were as you describe? Would he let so many of his children in the middle east suffer if they deserved better? It's not us screwing up the world and blaming us for it misplaced. You reap what you sow and the middle east is lying in the bed that it made itself. The wages of sin is death. I'll send you one Gospel if you want to save yourself from the Prince of Lies.

49 That alison person just reinforces the problem in defending these animals in any way. As a native American, you should be shot for treason for defending them. You think its ok to butcher people? You think its ok to torture women and children? You think its ok to saw off peoples heads, tape it, and send the tape to anyone? Wow. You are some piece of work. You are sick. This just proves Pres Bush's reason for needing to listen to people's conversations in an attempt to stop these morons from commiting terrorism here in the US. You and John Walker Lindh. Even US citizens can be supporters of these fanatical hoodlums. We are at war with an enemy we can't see. We are at war with ghosts, cowards, and sickos. They disguise themselves as civilians so we can't tell who is good or bad; we can't tell who they are either there OR here. Mr Bush, order our civilians out of that part of the world and proceed to take care of business. The first bombs should drop the second they harm Ms Carroll. They should have dropped when they killed the first US civilian hostages. Liberals .. sit down and shut up on this one.

50 liberals are a bunch of communist in hiding

51 Well,I still think everything I said before was right...but as someone posted on here before...This is about "Jill Carroll".However, it is about her,and I've said really all I can say in reguards to her...I just dont think it hurt anything by voicing my opinion about other things as well...And The only reason I did that is because I was sick and tired of alot of you saying its Bush & his administrations fault for everything that is happening.You can only say that so many times before you start pissing people off...You only do that because you dont understand the facts of the situations we get put in...If you take the time and look at the facts of each situation...Then you will see what I'm talking about...and you will also see that everything you thought before was pretty fuckin' stupid...Then & only then will you finally come out of your denial state of mind & take your first step into reality...Anyways,moving on...I'm having a hard time forming an opinion on the "No Negotiating With Terrorist" subject... Usually my answer is "Hell No"...but then I think about if it was one of my loved ones in that situation...I would do everything I could to save them...and the U.S. is conducting raids as we speak to try & save Jill...but they wont negotiate with terrorist...and I understand that...but just think if it was the Presidents daughters being held hostage...You think he would negotiate then???...and Im not knocking my President at all...I'm all for him...but whether you're a democrat or republican or whatever else...The U.S. Policy is "No Negotiating With Terrorist".That goes for even the highest in power in our political offices...but secretly... you really think they're not gonna negotiate for their sons & daughters?I think they would... but for us little people they just turn the other cheek...that goes for "Jill Carroll" too.All we can do as hope & pray her captors will release her...or that we will get to her in time...My thoughts & Prayers are with her family & loved ones...Lets just hope for the best....

52 Alison...you're truly a fuckin' retard... Shut The Hell Up & go fix me & Dee a sandwich!!!

53 I agree, you can't negotiate with terrorists. However faggots like Jesusland Carlos, brad and Jesusland Joe call me a liberal. Oh how I would love to break their knees with a baseball bat.

54 Alison is definitely a retard, but ptobably a retard with explosives in the closet. If we are lucky, Bush will spy on Alison before she becomes the next suicide bomber. If Ms Carroll is not released, BOMBS AWAY on Iraq!

55 I feel sorry for the agents who spy on her...something that nasty you could catch over the phone...And I agree...BOMB AWAY!!!

56 T.B. I became a convert to Catholicism after studying the major religions because I found it to be the truth. YBP

57 If God is as pissed off at organized religion as I think He must be by now, don't think I want to be involved in any of it lol BTW, yes I DO believe in God .. a loving God. The God I know would never reward those terrorist sickos that do their disgusting deeds in the name of their god ... how SICK!!!!

58 This Alison is not an American. Her use of the English language is very much like an Arab would have when they come here to study in a university. Sorry, Alison, but you are an imposter. I just wonder how many of these jihadist sympathizers we have in the US. Thank you, Jesus, for blessing us with the 2nd Amendment.

59 I went to middle school and high school with Jill Carrol, hell my best friend went on a date with her and I had several classes with her. I hope to God she makes it out of Iraq alive and in one piece. But, if I saw Mr. Bush today I would spit in his face because I know that if it was one of his daughters in her spot he would try everything in his power to get her free. The man is only concerned with himself and his kind. (wealthy) God please be with Jill.

60 They have no right to kidnap/Kill innocent people like that ! They are just a bunch of ignorant insurgents who are using religion for their own ends ,I`'m a Moslem but killing people and kidnapping people is not even in the "Koran" and now the question is how could they do that and everytime they kill someone they always said "ALLAH AKBAR" That is tottaly Bullshit !ALLAH has nothing to do with kidnap/killing and things like that ,every religion teach that killing and kidnaping people is inspiring evil !!!! But anyway for Jill Caroll and family I hope that all is going to be fine and we shall pray for it. *PS. Sorry people my english is poor and correct me if I'm wrong

61 HEY, IT IS WHAT IT IS.YEAH ITS PRETTY SAD TO SEE WHAT HAPPEND TO JILL CARROLL.BUT CAN YOU REALLY BLAME THE TERRORISTS.THE IRAQI PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT.A LOT OF UNFAIR TREATMENT BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND I CANT REALLY BLAME THEM AT ALL.IF I HAD A COUNTRY, AND THE U.S. WERE CONTINUALLY BOMBING IT FOR OIL PROFITS AND KILLING INNOCENT LITTLE CHILDREN,(BECOUSE BOMBS HAVE NO NAME ON THEM) - I'D BE A LITTLE UPSET TOO.YOU KNOW.FAR MORE INNOCENT IRAQI'S HAVE DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE U.S. THAN YOU REALLY THINK.SO WHY BE MAD AT THE TERRORISTS.THEY ARE ONLY DOING WHAT THEY FEEL IS RIGHT.THE UNITED STATES HAS DESTROYED IRAQ'S LANDSCAPE AND KILLED TOO MUCH PEOPLE.ITS ONLY CALLED BAD KARMA.ASK THE AFRICAN AMERICAN,HE CAN TELL YOU RAW STORIES OF WHAT HAS HAPPEND TYO HIS PEOPLE AS WELL TOO.I'M HEAVILY SURPRISED THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS DON'T PICK UP A GUN AND FIGHT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AS WELL FOR ALL THE MISTREATMENT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.BUT NOBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT THAT.FREE JILL CARROLL - FREE JILL CARROLL THEY WOULD CHANT.ONLY TO FALL ON DEAF TERRORIST EARS WHO WILL MOST LIKEY KILL HER INNOCENT SOUL ONLY FOR WHAT HER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE GLOBE.I GUESS ITS WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS "AN EYE FOR AN EYE".SEE THE PROBLEM IS THAT JILL CARROLL IS THIS REPORTER LADY WHO IS AGAINST THE U.S. WAR AND SPEAKS BAD OF THE PRESIDENT,BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THAT ITS TOO LATE.PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ANYMORE.THEY ARE JUST TIRED AND FED UP AMERICAN EVIL.DON'T BELEIVE ME ? ASK THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HIROSHIMA.THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT AND CONCEEDED.THEY FEEL AS IF AN AMERICAN LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OTHER LIFE OF PEOPLE IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.THE ONLY AMERICAN LIFE THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THAT IMPORTANT IS THE NEGROE PROBABLY.(BUT WHO CARES ABOUT HIM,HE'S ONLY HERE FOR MANUAL LABOR ANYHOW.)BUT STILL I GUESS THEIR ARROGANT CRY FOR JILL CARROLL'S FREEDOM MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE HEARD AS TERRORISTS ALWAYS DO.ITS A SHAME . MIGHT AS WELL NAME A STREET AFTER HER OR SOMETHING !

62 Jill Carroll's story is interesting except she might die. I am *NOT* on top of the data and kinds of techniques you are. I want her to go free though same as everyone. My message is that she's a victim of police entrapment. Bin Laden is an extortionist who can obviously have ties with the police. All the Iraqis, particularly the women, who are in the US now must be aware of her abductors identities. Apart of the confusion to get results in her case is due to Stalinist politics and more hidden agendas which you probaly think possible. I believe that she is still alive and I will continue praying for her with my mother.

63 ALISON, Poor, Poor Alison. You have taken every word I have said out of context. I am not denying you of your rights to be a muslim. I was mearly suggesting that you should put down the "religious shield" and come to realize one thing. Realize that you "in a universal sense" are like every woman, man, or child that has ever walked this earth. You are no different except that the fact that you hold your own beliefs. Thus, it changes your personality, your perception in life, and your aura. This is what creates the karma around you. You praise ALLAH, excellent! Prasie ALLAH if that's what makes you sleep at night. (my opinion) You praise something that is written in a book some odd years ago. A book written by someone you don't know or will ever know. If that is your GOD, than so be it. If I could however, recommend "Clifford, the Big Red Dog" you might enjoy life better as he doesn't believe in Jihad or that every one else in the world are infidels because they didn't read his book. (my opinion) I believe this would save you the hassle and it would save the world many lives. Here's a few questions. there are so many religions out there in the world. I have come accross so many different opinions on personal beliefs. What makes yours more important? Is it important because you say so? Is it important because others believe the same? What if you lived your life through Allah all this time and when you die, there is no ALLAH? what if that GOD is another GOD, say; "Jesus" or maybe "Bumba" (The supreme god and creator of the Boshongo, people in Zaire)Why not, they are GODs just like your GOD. You can both sit down and argue till your both dead and then low and behold, you are both wrong. You come to find out that there was no GOD when you got there. What is wrong with that? Was your life that terrible that you had to quit believing in yourself and start putting faith in another? How can you be 100% and I mean really 100% that your GOD or anyone else's GOD in that matter are the true GOD? What is so wrong with opening your eyes to the beauty that lies around you? I know of one thing, we were all given a gift. A gift of each other. We (me, you and all those that live) have what no GOD will ever have a chance to do. We have a chance to show the GODs that no matter what kingdom they reside in. Our kingdom is here and now. We have a chance to prove them wrong! They may want us to fight, I don't know. But, if that's the case, I say screw 'em. We can be better than that! Here's a thought: If you want someone to tell you how to live your life and promise something better in your after life, call me. I will tell you what to do and promise you the world. And when you die and there is no after life then you will see that it was infact not me that has lied to you but, yourself that has lied to you. Then you can come back to me and complain. You can pay me what you give to your Mosque each week. Forget what you hear, believe what you know!

64 Note* How is it possible that America and countries alike are capable of getting so many different religions, cultures, and races to live amongst each other in unity for so long? Is it wrong for ALLAH biding muslims to live and learn from infidels as they have and still do? You hate our religion and our life style yet you bang on our gates to let you in it. CHRIS -- I'm sorry for you and the family and friends of Jill. Out of all of us on this blog, you appear to be the closest to her. I hope she returns safely. My heart goes out to her. YBP -- congrats on finding your truth. I was born into catholic myself and to speak freely ment I could not be biased for one religion. I gave up my right to be catholic for a better right. I gained the right to say we are all gods in one way or another. If being a god is what creates, then we have created many. If being a GOD is what explains only that, that can not be explained, then we have found a reason for it (i.e.higher power) We are all heroes in some sense and some form. You can save a person by smiling and acknowledging them.

65 My prayers are with Jill Carroll and her family. I am constantly following her story on the media and hope that she has the same outcome as Roy,only shorter. Carrie and I were on CNN last night on the Carol Lin Sat evening show and talked about how we have 311 days of experience in what we did in our situation . Carrie has made a new website hostagefamilymatters.com Every hostage over there matters. We felt that Roy was forgotten at times and that was very painful. It seems that the media is covering Jill much more and that makes me very happy. It is a hostage crisis if there is any hostage anywhere... they are all important. I thank the Jawa for always being there to remember Roy . Rusty brought it out in the beginning all the way to the wonderful finish! I am sincerely appreciative of Dr. Rusty. I hope Jill and the others have the same miracle as my family, God Bless, Susan Hallums

66 I pray every day for Jill. God Bless you!!!

67 We the people of christ, love Jill. Psalms 31:4 Pull me out of the net that they have laid for me: for thou art my strength. Psalms 35:17-18 how long wilt thou look on? Rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions. v18 I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among the people. Psalms 102:19-20 v19 for he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; form heaven did the LOrd behold the earth; v20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death. May God himself free Jill.

68 God is with Jill. I have studied the Bible and I have studied the Quran. I have found them to be quite similar in teachings. Although I view Alison to be somewhat misled, I also view some of you to be misled. I say that respectfully. I must say in Alison’s defense that it is true, Jesus was/is NOT God as most Christians view him. If "Christians" would simply read a Bible without being lazy and allowing priests and pastors etc... to dictate it's meaning to them, they would find this very Truth. We all have the God-given ability to understand for ourselves. Jesus NEVER once proclaimed to be God in the original Bible. Don’t want to trust me just because I’m not YOUR priest or pastor that you’ve blindly trusted? Then I challenge you to go read it for yourself. If you haven’t already studied it for yourSELF, then you don’t have any right to even try to deny what I’m saying. For 30 years of my life I was told that Jesus was God - and simply because I was told this, I believed that he was (I was raised Catholic and am now of no denomination - just "spiritual"). That UNtruth about Jesus came from another persons understanding instead of my OWN understanding... an untruth that has been handed down from generation to generation. It wasn't going to stop in my family until I picked up a Bible and read it for mySELF. The fear instilled in Christians that they will perish in the afterlife if they don’t believe what someone has told them to believe is what has kept them from leaving the organized religion and from even daring to question it. It was all based on money and organized control. Most Christians are still prisoners of that age-old continuing control. Don’t want to believe me or trust me? I don't blame you - you shouldn't be trusting pastors and priests with your life either. So go get your very own Bible that you do trust and start reading it. I have no desire to convince you – your own Bible will do that if you dare to put down your fear and simply read it. I only suggest you start with the New Testament since that’s where Jesus teaches you about himself and what you need to be doing with your life. Don't trust yourself to understand it for yourself? Then you're not trusting that God has any "power" to help you!! Do you want to believe people - or God? You decide. To anyone else not hung up on everything I’ve just typed: A simple fact of life has always been, “you can't expect someone else to change when you won't even try to change yourself”. Being a hypocrite is in conducive to anything. There are "religious fanatics" in EVERY religion. Just because there are religious fanatics in every religion, that doesn't make each religion "wrong". There have been just as many "Christian" fanatics killing innocent people in the history of the world as there have been any other type of religious fanatics killing innocent people. Just about every religion has blood on it's hands. Most Christians would simply be appalled at the history of Christianity and the innocent people it has killed simply for not believing in it!! The place to start in making it all stop is for each of us to take responsibility for our own spirituality... Christians as well as Muslims. Notice I said spirituality and NOT "religion". They are two totally separate things. Even if you never picked up a Bible in your life, or a Quran or any other spiritual teaching material, you STILL have the God-given ability to understand good from bad for your SELF. Live in good conscience. By your example others will follow. Trust that God guides you!! When people are knocking their heads together on an issue, it's because neither side is being open-minded. If you're being open-minded, then it's IMPOSSIBLE to knock heads with even someone who is trying to knock heads with you. If you feel you are knocking your head with someone else’s head, then therein lies your warning that you are being closed minded. We have to stop shutting out the Muslim understanding (as well as any other religions understanding) simply because we fear it based on it's fanatics. The basics of every religion (without fanatics) are saying the exact same things. We simply have to find the common everyday language where we ALL realize this fact. There is where peace will begin to flourish. Alison is having the same problem other people on this blog seem to be having: you can't force your religious opinions on anyone else. It simply doesn't work. You have to take what you've learned in your "religion" and apply it to life in everyday terms. Instead of talking at people with all yer religious mumbo jumbo - bring it down to today’s life and terms! In language we ALL understand. Then, keep in mind, the only thing ANYONE can truly change is themselves. Start with yourSELF. That's the challenge in the Bible. It's the same challenge in the Quran. Are you willing to make the changes from bad to good in yourSELF that bring you closer to perfection? If not, to coin someone else's quote on here, "you reap what you sow". Love to all… God is with Jill.

69 It is apparent that most people here, and around the world, Buddishts, Christians, Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, Homosexuals, Atheists; and all the other labels that people have been slapped with; or they have slapped upon themselves; are ignorant. This is why there is war.

70 No - it's because there are people pretending to be God by sitting in a "judgment seat" and getting "pissed off" and hateful towards people who don't see everything THEIR way - as if "their way" were the ONLY way; as if "they" are "perfect". NO ONE is perfect! If anyone were perfect, that perfect person wouldn't even be here. Pointing fingers only causes MORE hate. But Loving and at least trying to understand everyone else causes people to open their minds so that the lines of communication stay open and the possibility for positive change can take place. It's the responsibility of EVERYONE in the world to stop judging. There isn't just one person or group of people or even multiple groups of people with "labels" in the world that are guilty of judging - ALL peoples are doing it. For each of us in the entire world to NOT point our own fingers at ourselves so that we can change the only person that we even CAN change is "ignorance".

71 Sometimes it's not enough to speak truth to power; power can be very 'ignorant' when its beliefs and values are called into question. It is the responsibility of every human being to question just how much or how little 'power' they have. It's very bleak when all this strife and unrest is happening at the same time that people around the world are still concerned with their own petty squabbles and inconsequential hate and bitterness. Someone or something has to give in. Will the powers that be do it? Or will we keep fighting for someone else's beliefs? Does open lines of communication instill in everyman the real power to look past their own indignance or does it provide them with more fodder to fuel the flames of their burning desire for vindication? I burn everytime I see people spread hate and fire and believe in its justness and righteousness. And though speaking truth to power may not always be enough, I still believe in its potency and potential.

72 Truth IS 'power'. But depending on how much faith and understanding you put in knowing it, determines the magnitude of the power. Then again, this isn't the place that TRUE Truth/power reins. The material world is non-existent in the spiritual world and vice versa. So really, I have no place to speak. I realized this last night. We only dream that we have any sort of control over anything... when really, we don't. All we each can do is continue our own personal journey to what we consider real Truth. My understanding and my process of continuing to understand new things works for ME. Truth is powerful in MY little corner of this world. I've witnessed Love and Truth transform the gravest of situations into what others might call "miracles". But that doesn't necessarily mean my understanding can work on a greater/global scale. I'm not Jesus and I don't think I have enough understanding to be so self-sacrificial for the greater good. I apologize if I have expressed my opinions disrespectfully here! I think I have a lot of left over passion stirring in me from my initial realization that I had been deceived regarding what the Bible REALLY says. I think that is what provoked me to respond on this blog. I don't know what I thought I would accomplish - I apologize. I need to put it to rest once and for all in my own heart. If I could speak to Jill I would say: Keep being who you are... it appears that you Love the Truth and have been willing to stand up for it in your life. There is nothing more honorable than that. Hopefully, your captors will realize this and let you continue to help them. I've never met you - but I Love you - you are a wonderful example of what we all should be. I admire you and I pray for your safe return. I also pray that your captors will realize that NOT harming you will help the world to respect them and their cause. Love to all... God is with Jill.

73 Whoever this Alison is should be taken a prisoner herself. Would her family cheer for her like at a football party if she was flashed acrossed CNN pleading for her life? Why not find out? She has no regard for anyone's rights, feelings or freedoms - but, she has the right to have her own. Her language skills do not sound like that of an American. Someone before had mentioned that also - good call. Not even a REALLY bad U.S. student. If she hates us, why is she here? For an "education"? If we're so horrible than why can't she educate herself in her own country? Why take a university spot away from an American student? I am a strong believer in the 1st amendment. I think we all are to some extent. She's not an American. Even if it turns out she has a birth certificate for here, she wouldn't be one because she would be classified as a traitor. So, she's not entitled to the first amendment. It only applies to our citizens. This is also why I am a huge believer in the 2nd amendment. And people that speak like she does make me thankful we have it. My heart goes out to Jill Carroll's family. No one would want to see their girlfriend, sister, daughter or granddaughter go through this. Nor would they want to endure it. If Alison wants to practice "jihad", go for it. Do it overseas in your "homeland" and take care of the job for us. Not every person who is Islamic is like this. That's sad because we group them in. However, Americans can not tell a good person from a bad person and we're not willing to see another 9/11 if it can be prevented. I think we can all agree. So Miss Alison, instead of popping a Midol, you should follow in the footsteps of another anti-American extremist. Since you already speak like a genocidal Hitler, pop a cyanide capsule and wait for us to find your body. You give women a bad reputation, you psycho bitch.

74 Who cares if she's executed??? Why in the hell is she over there??? She SHOULD BE EXECUTED for being so STUPID! It's a fucking war zone people....Stay out if you don't want to face the consequences. I have no sympathy for this dumbass.

75 I'm not calling her a genius, nor am I saying she should be there. I said it was a rough situation. Very much for her family because they didn't make the choice. My sympathy was with them - reread my words before you twist my words. I have not ripped anyone apart, nor do I plan to. You are an American and I'm an American. I have family that has been KIA for this country and friends and family in Iraq now. My only hatred is for those who plot against us. They are the focus and deserve the nasty shit that's been said. Not those who don't think. I refuse to waste anger on an American who thinks with their ass. They are still one of us. In the long run, that's what matters. When you turn against your own it doesn't make you any better than the terrorists. They turn against their own and strap bombs to their chests. Should she be there? Hell no. It was her choice and now she has consequences. It's out of everyone's hands. Am I going to bash her because she's about to be beheaded? No, because it's not fair to the family. However, to go as far as to say it should be done to her, that's a bit sick. It's like you are endorsing what the terrorists do. It's ok to behead to teach a lesson. It's ok to take down the trade centers because it teaches a lesson. It's time THEY were taught a lesson. Do you honestly think her parents didn't tell her the same shit you said before she left? She should have listened.

76 She obviously went there because she is an activist. She wanted to DO something that was important to her. Many great people with noble causes endanger their lives. That doesn't make them stupid. If more of us would do something instead of complain and argue more would get DONE. People are different, she is exceptional. So is everyone else over there risking their lives. She realized there was a place not so comfortable as her own surroundings and wanted to make a difference against all odds. Everyone has at least one correct piece of this puzzle - if all would listen to one another instead of killing anyone who crosses their own personal line. I am reading the Bible for myself and its interesting you say to start with the NEW TESTAMENT. I believe in starting with the first page. I've been going to church long enough so to me, its the right thing to do. Only, I find the OLD TESTAMENT to be extremely violent so far. For example, when people complain about food, GOD curses them to be so stuffed with food that it comes out of their nostrils. What about babies heads being bashed on rocks?? I look for scientific proof also. We have the dead sea scrolls, Noahs Ark in Turkey, etc. My boyfriend had a highschool teacher who particicipated in the exorcism that the movie was created from. He taught in a private school in Missouri, the exorcism done in St. Louis. The govt says they don't negotiate with terrorists, but in reality they do. The things we know are frightful, but they are only the tip of the iceberg. I have great concern for our children and grandchildren. Surely everyones heard of the New World Order. One or two sites on any topic could be lies, but there are thousands on this one. Current day Babylon is not in Iraq, but America. Bush is, at least was friends with Osama. The FBI even spyed on John Lennon. This govt does not like anyone who promotes peace. God bless this woman, all hostages, and every soul in Iraq and America to do the right thing with their lives.

77 It's interesting to observe individual views on this matter. For that I respond. When I first heard that Jill Carroll was captured I could not avoid thinking about it. I'm well aware of the horrible acts that have taken place up to this point- on America's side and on Iraq's side. It hurt to hear about these events. But this was different. After witnessing footage of Jill's disappearance, something drifted with me as I went about my week. Never had any news story whispered like this. I had only seen brief footage of her kidnapping. Why did this "mean something to me?" Days later I witnessed a first video release on the evening news. I didn't know the facts. I didn't know her background. What I did know was that she needed someone. When I looked into her eyes I found myself in her shoes, knowing that if there was one soul who cared for my plea, one soul who "really cared" and didn't forget my name with the news story seeing me as "another hostage" it would count more than life itself. This is her only hope. This is what the tears in her eyes plead for, as I witnessed tonight, January 30, with a second video release. If I could I would snatch her from that dreadful position right away, not caring about statics, background, or views. She's human. I'm human. That's enough for me. It has not been the television set that has given life to my thoughts of Jill. The night I saw the first video release I went for a walk in the night, my thoughts far from her captivity. Then it happened. I saw her face flash into my mind. I refused to disreguard this "hunch" though it would have been convenient to do so. At that moment I laid aside my exciting plans for the next day and did all I could do: I asked, if it was his will, for God to help her. To set her free. This is not a story of religion. These are my feelings, plain and simple. I prayed longer that night than I had prayed in years. "Pleaded" would be a more fitting word. With the thought of her I could not refrain from it. Days went by. I went about life. She was never far. I knew where I was and I knew where she was. She was hanging on to every second as I was sitting comfortably in my bedroom. I cared from the bottom of my heart. Tonight the same thing is true for all of us. Our lives are not at stake and our hearts aren't beating with fear. Jill has thought of things we haven't even come close to in our lives. Let's keep that in mind. Everyone here has something important to say. I'm not asking you believe as I believe. I KNOW you desire Jills release. I KNOW your heart goes out to her reguardless of your view. This isn't religion speaking. This is human dignity. We know what we would care about if we were in her shoes: The right to live. I know the situation isn't hopeless. To some of you that is a crazy thing to say, and it is. But I believe it. There are things we can't explain that live in the realm of possibility. Life teaches us that. This I leave in closing: "keep her in mind"

78 I saw Jill's tears in the last video recorded by terrorists: it is a shame their behaviour! I know nothing about Jill, besides I'm an Italian citizen not an American one, but when I saw the video, my first feeling was rage. How is it possible so much hate to a person? Terrorists are men like the others: we have the same heart, but they comletely forgot it and could be ready to die for their idea. The only thing I can do now is praying for her and maybe, when she is freed, she will read this message. God bless you, dear Jill

79 I read only now the Alison's message.. I remember you that God created everything for life not for death. Infact, also who lives for death(like the terrorists) wants to say something positive, because Man wants to be happy! So, terrorists surely want to be happy but think that their happyness consists in imposing their idea. And this is an error! Always men thought that the only way to save the humanity consists in killing a part of men. This is false, infact we have a lot of examples: the French revolution, the Russian revolution, Auschwitz: they are illusions! No, the world is always the same, and the evil is the same. The evil in the world didn't die, and all of us can do it: How many times I love a person but sometimes I don't treat her well, although I love her. There is only a hope for our world: that God comes in the Earth to help us. There is only a fact in the humanity in which God didn't kill a part of men to save the world, on the contrary died for evey man, and then raised again to show us that He is stronger than death. This is not an idea, but is a fact. You can believe in it or not, but it is a fact! Bye and sorry for my English

80 I just reread what Alison posted on here. First I decided that I had forgotten what she had typed... then, before I began to read it all again, I realized that I should keep an open mind and really try hard to understand what she was saying since her English isn't so good. I decided it was only "fair" and that it couldn't do any harm to just simply keep my own mind open. That's what I always hope for people who are listening to me or reading me to do for me as well... so it was only fair. Now it seems to me that, because of the broken English, Alison's meaning behind her words can easily be misunderstood. Compounding that problem is the fact that she comes across as "accusing" by using the word "you" a lot. What Alison may not understand is that most people don't like to be accused of anything and once they have been, they immediately put themselves on the defense. That's just human nature. So it's not a good thing to help people be defensive by accusing them of anything when what you really want to do is help people understand what you understand - especially if what you are saying truly is good. Ok... so I got past the broken English and then I got past the accusations and I read in-between all those things. And now what it's sounding like she is saying is that she sees there are bad people of every nationality and creed etc... just as there are good people of every nationality and creed etc... and that she is standing up for all of the GOOD Muslims, not the bad ones. She agrees that people who do bad things are not worthy of God's Love and protection. And this all seems to be the same things everyone else on here is saying, just in broken English and with accusations that put people on the defense. She's also talking about the wrath of God - which most people believe in as well - and that it will effect ALL "bad" people, bad Muslims as well as bad Christians etc... and that the bad people won't be able to escape it. However, the good people will be protected because God "knows his own" kinda thing... and she's not just talking about good Muslims either, she is also saying that ALL good people of all nations and creeds etc... will be protected. She refers to this sort of thing as the "truth" that she knows and she's warning everyone - much the same way the Bible does. She's also appealing to Christians to understand that the Quran talks about Jesus and that Muhammad (the writer of the Quran) teaches that anyone who doesn't believe the things Jesus taught is not a true and good Muslim. She agrees and is empathizing with Christians to try and show that she is not attacking them, rather she believes Jesus' teachings. Although, she disagrees with the thought that Jesus was/is "God". Which is the same thing a lot of "spiritual" American's understand as well. As I do myself. She's also trying to explain something she claims to understand about "Bush and Bin". She's trying to warn EVERYONE that Bush and Bin are both being misled and therefore they are misleading everyone else. She doesn't agree with EITHER ONE of them! And she reiterates that she is all for only what is good - as God wants her to be and she appeals to everyone to be the same way else they "reap what they sow" kinda thing. Basically, she's saying everything we are all saying. Only we couldn't get past the broken English and the number of times she used the word "you" and "evil" and "satan" and "Allah" etc... it's a problem with semantics... not what she's actually saying. It's no wonder a person gets frustrated enough to turn hateful over simple misunderstandings of semantics. This proves the same thing I said before though: we have to stop using words from the Bible or the Quran to try and communicate with! We HAVE to bring it down into simple terms that we ALL understand - like "good", "bad" and "indifferent" etc... so people will stop being defensive and so it doesn't look like we are pointing fingers thus putting people on the defense. Alison, are you reading me??? I hear what you are saying! And I see how badly you want to help and get your understanding across to people... but if you truly want to help, then you have to be careful that you are not appearing to put blame on people - because then they won't listen to what you are trying to say - they will close their minds to you instead of opening them to you (that's just human nature) - and then it won't be only their fault that they are not understanding you, it will be your fault too because you "blamed" them instead of "Loved" them. "Communicating" isn't just all about whether or not other people HEAR you - you also have to take responsibility for HOW you are saying what you want to say. And, if you truly want to be a good Muslim and believe as the Quran teaches - then yes, you have to also believe what Jesus taught - and one of the MAIN things Jesus taught was to LOVE EVERYONE - even those that PERSECUTE you!!!! When Jesus was killed/persecuted, he CONTINUED to LOVE even the men that HATED him and sentenced him to death. He did everything he could to UNDERSTAND them and their point of view even though they didn’t understand him. He never had anything bad to say about them and he NEVER ONCE said anything bad to their face either! He TRULY LOVED them all the way down deep in his HEART! He even secretly prayed to God and said, "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do". He didn't say it TO them - he said it to GOD only. He said it in his HEART. And in case you don't understand what that means, I'll tell you how I understand it and maybe that will help you draw your own conclusion: I think it means he truly wished them no harm... not from him or from God, especially since he knew that they just didn't understand and therefore didn't really deserve for bad things to happen to them for what they were doing. He wished them only good. Alison, Muhammad teaches this very same thing. Say what you have to say with nothing but LOVE in your heart, as Jesus did, and people will begin to understand what you are saying. And they should, because it seems to me you are saying good things - just maybe in a not so good way. Alison, think about what you said, "Americans must reestablish a new government and Islam must establish a new Jihad with principles by the Quran only." You're leaving out something from the Muslim religion! Don't forget that Muhammad also teaches Muslims to be like Jesus! How can Muslims be like Jesus unless they study what Jesus taught as well as study the Quran? According to Muhammad (since he teaches to also follow Jesus' teachings), the Jihad should be based on BOTH the Quran AND Jesus' teachings! Jesus' MAIN message is to LOVE EVERYONE! Although he taught so much more. I hope I haven't come across as a bad person. I'm trying really hard here to be careful to not point fingers at anyone yet to say plainly what I understand so hopefully it all makes sense to everyone. Alison, I’m really trying hard to do my part by studying the Bible AND the Quran and to understand ALL people’s points of view. I just want to ask, do you think the “good Muslims” that you speak of are doing the same thing? Are they also trying to be like Jesus as well as Muhammad? Because I think that’s what we have to do in order to make a difference, don’t you?

81 Michael... Your words could have very well been my own. You put it so perfectly! I can't stop thinking about her either - and I won't, as long as I know in my heart that it is doing some good. And it is... I'm sure! We are her. We are all one.

82 Truth, She is not alone. You know as I do.

83 I thought this was about Jill but just like everything else, the religious zealots have to shove their agendas/ideologies down our throats every chance they get. When is everyone going to wake up and smell the coffee there is no GOD !!! nor has there ever been We are all ALONE!!! Now and Forever so deal with it. Why is that so hard to accept? Maybe if people focused more on how to deal with this life and not some so called promised after-life we wouldnÂ’t be in this situation. Religion makes me sick. The answer our current problems is the annihilation of the entire human race. This planet needs a hard reset. Can you say Ice Age! F you all!

84 This goes out to Dog, My name is Michael. Your previous comment suggests you believe in no God. I respect your believe. Your words do more "shoving" than anything posted. Just as you "believe" there is no God, others believe in the possibility of God. Don't mistake "honest belief" for "zealot belief". I do more thinking of today than tomorrow. I do more thinking of Jill than the afterlife. Your words were ironic to hear, because "dealing with this life" and dealing with today is the only way we can ever grow. That's the only way I've come to believe principles my "open" mind has weighed for itself. I know the people you speak of. Don't mistake one for another. By shoving upon others what you "BELIEVE"(there is no God, ect.), you become the very thing you claim to detest. Religion does not make you sick. The way people think is what makes you sick. Many are not open minded. I can stand with you on this matter. Lack of curiosity creates a state of mind that blocks out growth. I like to say "now is forever". And this about Jill, here and now. The best way I've come to deal with what frustrates you is by holding to the confidence in my own heart. And I AM confident that there is HOPE for Jill. I AM confident that those who hold her in their thoughts make a difference. I DO believe in possibilities beyond our comprehension, standing confidently in the light that you don't. It's easy to accept hopelessness. It requires no strength. It's easy to say everything is meaningless. It requires no thought. Religion has nothing to do with this situation. It never did and never has with anything else in history. Only thoughts and intentions. Religion defines nothing. It is only a word used in conjunction with someone's mentality. "People" make or break this world. And everybody has thier own thoughts and beliefs in life, reguardless of what "religion" they claim to be. Let's focus our "thoughts and intentions" on Jill Carroll.

85 Well said Michael!

86 I have prayed often for Jill during this trial but more importantly, I have prayed for her capitors. I believe she is still alive because God has heard my prayers along with millions of others of us. The men who are holding Jill have hearts and minds like all the rest of us...God will somehow, someway, impress on one of the captors that what they are doing is wrong - no matter what religious belief he shares. Every day until Jill is released, I will continue to pray for the men who hold her captive...

87 I love the strengh that good people can bring out. This is the kind of strengh that makes a difference.

88 STRENGTH! My mistake.

89 What I meant was "STRENTH". My mistake, though you probably knew what I meant. Meaning is the main thing.

90 O.K., for the last time S T R E N G T H .

91 For anyone who has said something reasonable here, thank you. For anyone who hasn't turned this board into something other than what it should be, thank you. Jill is a friend of a friend.

92 lol Michael

93 hmm...

94 Truth, yes I read and I thank you for your understanding in all matters all thanks to Allah. I feel the way I write if I do not get too proper all can understand me as you ere able to the ones that will understand me are the ones that want to understand even if I spoke a different language then anyone if any one really wants to understand in for the good Allah is all know er Allah is all wise he will make it so all can understand. But anything that is good in this world is hard work bad is easy. It is all up to us as individuals as to what we want and what we do about it.

95 But I can tell all people in the world this that the ultimate reason for most negative and fighting among each other then the evil that conflicts it is us as brother and sister in a home one trying to get our parents attention always trying to be better then the other so we get noticed no matter what way we do it is always for recognition and mentally this is what is happening between each of us fighting as brothers and sisters trying to win Allah's Love trying to get his attention this is what it all comes down to atleast for the good ones this is what it comes down to. But if we think about this and picture it and care enough to understand it you will see that this is the truth. What Allah our one GOD wants as our parents want is for each of us to get along to make Allah proud of us as brothers and sisters and some times we are being selfish and UN appreciative that we do not even think of why we do what we do and most to even think about why they would simple feel to bad and hurt for the way they have acted that it would hurt them too much to consider to change and admit and accept the truth so they go and ignore to try to hide their true feelings and the truth.

96 So what do you think Clyde?

97 I think I'm about ready to go to sleep...

98 I've been thinking a lot about that "Dog" person's comment on here. Funny how he/she used the word "God" backwards as a name for posting on here! I just simply can't see any logic in his/her comments. I always pride myself on being able to put myself in another person's shoes and see how they see things - and I guess I can understand how he/she is frustrated... but still, ALL of these issues - ESPECIALLY "religion" are important when talking about Jill. Jill has respected the Muslim religion. She appears to me to be a very open minded person, which, that in itself, warrants respect for her choices. Since Jill has been open minded enough to show respect for the Muslim religion, then that should warrant our respect for it as well... or at LEAST an open minded approach to even the possibility that there must be some importance and relevance in it! So I just have to rule out "Dog"s comments as being just plain ignorance and/or fear from ignorance. Religion IS what even Jill's situation is ALL about. To NOT discuss it while discussing Jill would be "wrong"! When we can break down the barriers that "religions" have placed between us, then there won't even be any situations like what the world has been dealing with since 9/11. The Islamic culture feels misunderstood... and they ARE!! Thus they are lashing out. And at the same time we are misunderstood TOO! So we are lashing out as well. "Religion" plays a HUGH role. It HAS to be discussed, EVERYWHERE, in order to dispel fears and misunderstandings! Maybe I can help in even a small way... is there anyone here reading this that doesn't know much about the Muslim religion and who maybe has some fear about it or just some questions that maybe I can help explain? I'm not a Muslim, but I have studied the Quran... maybe I can help by explaining in UNbroken English, in terms American's are used to hearing.

99 Alison: You're right about people understanding you if they want to understand you. But you still have to take responsibility for EXPRESSING GOD/Allah. It's not enough to just KNOW God/Allah - we also have to EXPRESS God/Allah. If we're not expressing God/Allah, then God/Allah isn't truly WITH us! It isn't enough to just KNOW what's in the Quran or Bible... we also have to LIVE it. Just telling other people HOW to be or even going through rituals that SHOW we know about God/Allah (like kneeling down and praying) isn't enough - we must also BE it all the way down deep in our hearts and souls!! If not, then we are doing the OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught. Jesus taught us to not only make clean the outside of our bodies, but also the INSIDE as well. That means our hearts. We have to BE what we want the rest of the world to BE. Does that make sense? We can't just say whatever we feel like saying and then leave it up to some magical "being" outside of our self to make it all come out right. We have to take RESPONSIBILITY for expressing God/Allah correctly. And that means doing it with nothing but Love and respect for not only ourselves but for EVERYONE around us. Do you like trying to guess at what people are saying? I'll bet not. So then you shouldn't expect other people to guess at what you are saying either. And you can't just say "Oh well, Allah must not want them to understand." That's not fair to Allah. Allah gave us the intelligence and the patience to choose our words wisely - if we don't, then we are being lazy. It's like you said, "... anything that is good in this world is hard work, bad is easy." We can't take the "easy" way out. We have to do the "hard" work and WORK at expressing ourselves in ways that others can understand. I'll leave you with your own thought, "It's all up to us as individuals as to what we want and what we do about it." What do you really want?

100 Alison: I like the things you said in your last comment. It seemed clear to understand. I agree with what you are saying too. But there is something I understand differently... I think people are wrong for trying to please God as if God were something outside of us. Do you know what I mean? God isn't outside of us. There isn't anything to "please" on the outside of us, other than other people. This is where I think so many religions have it "wrong". They paint a picture of there being some person type of God who is separate from us that can point a finger and make some sort of magic happen. I don't agree with that. I see it as a very wrong concept. I see God as being a PART of us - not separate from us. We choose to express God or we choose not to express God. Period. No magic. We're in control of it. God is something to be expressed - not seen as if God were a separate being apart from us. This is why "no one has ever SEEN God". The closest anyone can come to "seeing" God as a separate being from us is to "see" God in a flower, a bird or in the eyes of a child kind of thing. It's LOVE, beauty, care, principle, harmony etc... There are 7 synonyms used in the Bible to describe God, and they are: Life, Love, Truth, Mind, Soul, Principle, Spirit... none of which are TANGIBLE "things" or "beings". God is not material. So to even try to "win God's attention" as if God were separate from us is silly. We're not in "competition" with each other - we ARE each other! But I think you're right - what you said IS what people are thinking - but I know all the way down in my heart that they are wrong and that's why all of their efforts to "win God's attention" don't work It just ends in disaster. So we have to help in anyway we can to help people understand that trying to "win God's attention" isn't even going to work in the first place. We have to express God in order to know God.

101 I think Jill was expressing God with her work in Iraq. That's the hope that I hang onto that she will be fine.

102 Are you going to let him get away with that gramma?

103 No! Right turn Clyde!

104 No! Right turn, Clyde!

105 What In The Blue Hell Was That???

106 lol

107 Anybody got $10 bucks I could borrow?

1 Who gives a shit about their stupid f'ing religion! If they are doing anything terroristy in a mosque, it is fair game. Bomb the place. At this point, is there really any hope of mending the schism between the west and Islamofascism anyway? NO! So let loose the tomahawks and to hell with those hadjis. If their religion was so sacred, they wouldn't use the mosques as rallying points for insurgents and IEDs anyway. Violence is the only thing these people understand, so lets oblige them. Enough pussyfooting around; we need to take lessons from the Israelis and simply brutalize these people. Beat them into submission. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am so f'ing sick of these people kidnapping and killing noncombatants, planting roadside bombs and all manner of other cowardly shit, staging all of it from mosques, and then becoming outraged when these same mosques are targeted for raids. Are IQs just lower in that part of the world? It is the same logic that makes them think it is their duty to come to America to destroy buildings, which is cool, but the thought of an infidel in the holy land is cause enough do do what? Come to America and destroy buildings. Beheading someone in the name if Islam is cool, but conducting a search of a mosque is a inconsolable outrage. Enough is enough. Fuck their religion and fuck respecting their religion. Nuke them until they glow and then shoot them in the dark. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

2 As I have said, these people deserve neither compassion, sympathy, OR respect. They have no problem with killing any of us, our women, or even children. Nothing is off limits to them. NO apologies, NO symapthy. They hate us and our way of life, it's that simple. They hate that we have a system that, while not perfect, enables to live far better than their rat-like existences. They hate that our ideals enables us to have choices in life while they remain dominated and ruled by a backward set of beliefs under threats of losing their heads. THEY CAN'T STAND IT These people cannot be fixed or reasoned with in any sense. They will never have peace, they would not know how, nor are they willing to learn! War and death are all they know or understand. I am all for getting this problem under control in any manner necessary so that the rest of us can live peaceably.

1 Cue the tearful hostage Video. Those AQ "Lions of Allah" are some real tough guys when they point weapons at women and make them beg. I know that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi claimed he would not kill a women. He also claimed he would have released Margaret Hassan if he had her, but she was murdered and found inside Fallujah which at the time was his stronghold. I still have my doubts if his "Lions" weren't the ones behind it. I hope for her safe return.

2 We'll definitely be seeing a video of her soon. Since A l Qaeda's the group behind it. It doesn't look good since she's an American. I hope people don't forget about her like they did about Jeffrey Ake and Tom Fox.

3 I am adopting a wait and see attitude on all hostages from now on if they are not military or associated. It is a dangerous environment and it is getting like you need a scorecard to know whos who walking around it.

4 I'm just a teensy bit suspicious that all these kidnappings are not much more than publicity stunts. Wait for the book, and mark my words.

5 Well she's an American so she's not in on it. The kidnappers may let her go since she's a woman but who knows. You thought the peacekeepers faked it but guess what? They are still missing and probably dead.

6 Who cares about this journalist! i bet she is a liberal commie traitor who should be shot on sight! I bet she is pro-abortion too! We should be happy that al-quaeda took this book reading liberal out of america! hahahahahahhahahaha ahhahahahahahahahah ....this is how ridiculous you guys sound. ernie

7 Ernie is an uninformed IDIOT. The kidnapped woman works for one of the most respected, conservative newspapers in the world -- and you can bet that she's also opposed to abortion. It's very sad that such a quality minded ournalist has been kidnapped - or any human being for that matter. It's stupid idiots like Ernie who deserve to be kidnapped and tortured. Take the time to learn the truth before exposing your ignorance, you fool.

8 What's wrong with being pro abortion? I don't support abortion but this is America and women have the right to choose. If they want an abortion,let them. Also just because a person's liberal doesn't mean they deserve to be kidnapped and beheaded. So to answer your question, who cares about the journalist? I do because she's a human being. Unlike you. ASS!!!

9 You don't support abortion but you support a woman's right to choose what? Abortion. That means you support abortion. j/s.

10 Hey george, nobody cares what you say, because you're such a moron that you couldn't say anything of consequence even by accident. Fuck off with your little friend ernie ya dipshit.

11 Go fuck yourself you far right mother fucker. No I don't support abortion but if woman want to do it. Let them. I can't stop them. Think. And go fuck yourself Maximus. OHHH I'm so scared. Mommy he hurt my feelings.

12 Let me explain better. I'm 18 years old so I'm not married. If I had a wife and she became pregnant, I would not want her to have an abortion. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I killed my child. However if other women want to have an abortion then I won't stop them. This is America and they have the right to do what they want. I don't know them personally so it's none of my business what they do. I'm a moderate so I support some of what Democrats and Republicans do but I also think they both screw up on some of what they do. Now do you understand Jesusland Joe? By the way, what in the name of Jesus(Pardon the pun) is J/S???

13 Hey you guys? I think we're forgetting about the important thing in this situation here...a young woman was kidnapped and is posibly being tortured. What does it matter what she stands for? She was kidnapped doing a job that's intention is to keep us informed about the current state of the world. Her professors at UMass Amherst are now my professors and all of them can only speak about how wonderful she is as a person. Please don't turn this into an argument about religious questions - just wish and hope and pray or do whatever you do to ask forher safe return, do your arguing somewhere else. Thanks.

14 There is no end to the lunacy of these people, nor are there any boundaries as to what is off limits for them ... NO act is taboo to them if they think it furthers their craziness. I feel for this young woman and pray for her return alive and well, however, the chances of this are not good. Killing a woman has more shock value than killing a man and they know this. Their goal is to shock and anger us as much as possible, and to try to make us feel powerless at their hand. No one can reason with fanatics.They do not want nor are they incapable of comprehending reason. I say STOP trying to understand them. We should not try, nor should we apologize for our actions in attempting to rescue any of our people from them. If any one of them is offended, TOO BAD. I believe the only people we should pull out of there are our civilians and then deal with these people in any manner that is necessary to get them under control before we find ourselves having to do it on our own soil. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

15 Agreed, I'm praying for this woman.

16 While Jill Carroll remains in the hands of the terrorists, we must not cease to pray for her and to take what actions we can. Jill is an intelligent and resourceful young woman. Let us pray that God gives her the words to say to her captors which result in her quick release.

17 I knew Jill when I worked at the Collegian at UMass. She is sharp, fair and compassionate. Let's hope they realize just what a valuable member of our humanity she is; it is obvious. I pray for you, Jill and for your family and hope for your safe return.

18 I knew Jill at the Collegian at UMass as well. She's a real person who has been part of people's lives. At the Collegian she was hard-working, dedicated, and extremely bright. I can see from her articles and reporting work that she hasn't changed. I am keeping her in my prayers, regardless of what her views are on abortion.

19 What do her personal views have to do with anything? Isn't this why we are over there in the first place? Anyone who makes this an issue is as sick as the terrorists. It is their agenda to kill anyone who isn't as twisted as they are, and who doesn't subscribe to their fanatical points of view. Don't sink to their level.

20 Keeping things in perspective, there is a human out there who is in danger. A woman that could be your wife, your sister, your best friend, your co-worker...even you, imagine. Sending prayers to Jill that she is comforted & protected, alive & well. Asking for God's blessings to resolve this matter & bring her & other hostages back to their family & friends, who are missing & loving them. Show us that there is good in this world. Pls leave politics & judgements aside when it comes to human suffering. Thank you. Grace

21 I am so sorry to hear that Jill's captors have now threatened to kill her, and are making impossible demands on the US as ransoms. Have we had had enough? Mr Bush, You now what must be done. These people need to understand that we no longer will stand for their fanatical behaviour.

22 I feel really bad for that young lady. I feel bad for all the innocents that get hurt on any side at war. War is a very ugly beast and should be avoided. This is a war of power, greed, and lies. One religious nut trying to take over another. They both want the very same thing. Take over the world and make everyone live under their God. That is a war zone. What was she doing there, cause it was the cool thing to do. War is not a game. It's not like tree hugging, or save the whales. I pray she stays safe.

23 I believe Ms Carroll was honestly trying to help this situation, and that she did know the risks. I do not believe this in any way justifies her kidnapping and possible death. Anyone remember Daniel Pearl? Were we not paying attention? What about all the other Americans that have died after him? People that were there trying to help these people. They do not want help. They cannot fathom living any other way than they have for the past thousands of years. There is no reason or intelligence here. HELLO !!!!!

24 Are you people insane? The Christian Science Monitor is NOT a conservative newspaper nor does it have anything to do with religion. They are a left wing rag in Boston. Jill Caroll has been writing hit pieces on the US Government for a few years now, she is a terrorist sympathizer. The irony of this story is- Now she will be depending on the marines (the people she hates so much) to come rescue her from her ordeal.

25 These people are evil. And anybody, whether American or other, that criticizes the war on terror and sympathizes with these animals, have this girl's blood on there hands if she is killed. Why? Because the anti-war, careless statements give the enemy hope and prolong this insanity. May all the radical Muslims burn forever in hell! And, may you sympathizers burn with them!

26 These terrorist know that the U.S. will never give in to their demands.Thats the whole point.They are just eager to kill as many Americans & Jews & any of our allies as they can. Although the dumbasses fail to realize that by killing all these innocent people is just gonna make things worse for them.I hope they wise up & release this young woman,because killing her isn't gonna change 1 damn thing.They know it wont.They just wanna kill as many as they can. I think we should just take over Iraq completely, because as soon as we leave there & it does'nt matter if it's 10 years from now.It's still gonna be the same & even worse once we leave.You can not teach the unteachable.If these dumbasses want us out of there.Then they need to stop beheading people.If any of them had a brain.Then the smart thing to do would be to release this young lady. Oh & by the way Ernie...I hope you burn in hell you worthless piece of shit!!!

27 Clyde ... FINALLY, a fellow voice of reson! These people are making unreasonable demands for Ms Carroll's release simply in an attempt to justify their behaviour to their people, and to send their own people a message, as wel as the US. They want us to be afraid of them, period. They want everyone to fear them and to feel powerless against them. Trouble is, they are such cowards that they can't fight us like men. They scurry around refusing to wear any uniform or be recognized, always hiding their faces, do sneak attacks and then running away, torture and kill women and helpless children. They are cowards, having no honor whatsoever. They deserve nothing from us. I believe we should pull ALL of our civilian police, contractors, and humanitarian workers out of there and take care of business. If bombing them into submission is what works, then that is what we need to do. No mercy, no sympathy. Get them under control so we can move forward and deal with other things that need attended to ...

28 Why hasn't the media had a lip reader tell us what Jill is saying in the video? It seems pretty obvious that this could be done.

29 I am certain the Government has done this. It is possible they are not releasing that for various reason I can think of.

30 Look at those who have been kidnapped and held hostage in Iraq so far. Notice what most of them have in common. Recently an entire group of American peace activists, who are against the war and seeking an end to the US occupation were taken hostage, and now Jill, who is also very sympathetic to the Iraqi people, is now being held. Remember also how the man who was beheaded, was shown to be wearing an orange jumpsuit, exactly the same as those worn by US held prisoners, he was sitting in a chair exactly the same as those used in Abu Griab Prison, and even the walls looked the same as in Abu Griab Prison. Why can't people do the math on this and come to the obvious conclusion? Well many do, as do many others around the world also, but Bush loyalists are in complete denial of the obvious. They would prefer to believe that Iraqis are intentionally harming their own cause by targeting those who are sympathetic to them, and that US military, who have been caught red handed several times torturing prisoners, are somehow above doing these things to keep the public supportive of their occupation. I am a loyal American. It is because I love my country that I am outrage by such things, and I must stand up for what is right, by standing in opposition to the Bush administration.

31 Well Natasha...I understand what you're saying...I just happen to disagree with you...It is so easy for people to point the finger at Bush now isn't it??? I do not agree on everything Bush has done,but I'd rather have someone like him in there then someone like John Kerry...The reason I voted for Bush is because I think he's the best when it comes to security...If John Kerry had of won we probably would have done had another attack like 9/11 & had some kind of massive weapon smuggled into 1 of our cities...I dont know about you,but I would much rather have car bombs & suicide bombers,& everything destoyed over there then I would here in America...It is so easy to jump across the mexican border...Who knows how many terrorist are already here & just waiting for the right time to strike...I agree with Bush invading our privacy by tapping our phones...All the democrats & liberals have nothing better to do then bitch & complain every chance they get... Thats what's weakening America...Not the bush Administration...If people are'nt talking about anything illegal on the phone,then they have nothing to worry about...If people wanna talk to their lawyers...Then the smart way to do that is in person any damn way...Im so sick of people blaming Bush for every gidamn thing that happens. He's the one who's the President...Not you....He's the one whom which the majority of the country voted for...Not You....He's the one who is there & knows whats really going on...Not You...Dont let the media corrupt your mind...They are very good about doing that sort of thing...especially to the weak idiots who believe them...OMG...Hurricane Katrina Wiped out New Orleans...Come On Everybody...Lets Blame Bush!!!Omg Everybody...Bush must hate blacks.... Come On Everybody...Bush Is A KKK Member...Omg I stomped my toe...Wait...I know...I'll just Blame Bush For that too...WAKE UP YOU FUCKIN" REJECTS...Bush is a damn good president considering all the bullshit he has had to deal with...Look how much he's changed by looks since he was elected...Thats stress...Because everything he tries to do to make this country better...you have Democrats & Liberals trying to fuck everything up...How is this country ever gonna get anything done when you have dipshits like John Kerry & Ted Kennedy,Joe Biden, & all those other jerk offs trying their best to destroy this country...They're rich...Our Opinions mean nothing to them...They would'nt piss on us if we were on fire...I dont see a good future for America.With just 2 years left we'll never get anything done...& even if we do...It wont be long enough...because once a democrat gets in office they'll just change it back or make it worse then it was before...If I had it my way...I would want Bush on for a 3rd term...We should deport all the illegals,Foreigners should not be allowed to vote,or run for any type of political office... Everything is just going to hell...Taking the pledge of allegience out of schools...Taking down certain Christian symbols simply because its offensive to illegals who are over here jacking our jobs,living on welfare,collecting food stamps,living off our goverment...living off our tax dollars...Oh,but when we,us,The Real Americans...The ones that were born & raised here are broke,or in a bind...When we need something they put us in the back of the line,or just flat out tell us Hell No!!!There is more to just being an American then being born here...If You think that by coming over here from another country & starting a new life makes you an American...Then you better go have your head examined...because you will always be a foreigner to America...You have to be born & raised here to consider yourself an American...I believe we have alot of big problems ahead of us & we're gonna have to Reunify ourselves...Get our priorities straight...And Stand United like we should be...Deal with these Islamic fucks so our children dont have to go through this bullshit... These terrorist organizations are a bigger threat then most people care to acknowledge...They Must be stopped...As you can see Iran is starting up their bullshit...Any country that has a Prime Minister who says Israel should be wiped off the map & says shit like the holocaust never happened & then says "Oh by the way,We are gonna build us a nuclear weapon",has no buisness having a nuclear weapon...And if America does'nt do anything about it,you can bet your ass Israel will...Israel will nuke there ass without hesitation...and wont give a damn if we like it or not...Americans Freedom's are slowly deteriorating...We are slowly but surely losing rights...Freedom of Speech is not as it should be anymore...They wanna lock you up now for speaking your mind...Oh & another thing...All the lawsuits on hospitals & Insurance companies & all the others are mostly caused by foreigners coming over here & faking injuries to themselves trying to get a pot of gold...That has got to stop...That is costing our goverment lots of money...Money that could be helping poor Americans...Anyways...I've spoken my mind... I wish the best for "Jill Carroll"...I hope she comes back home & I hope all the sorry piece of shit terrorist burn in hell forever...Oh...And Ernie...I have'nt forgotten about you ya little bitch...I hope you step on a shovel & knock your fuckin' teeth down your throat...Then I hope you choke to death on them & join your friends in a burning hell...

32 Listen, with all due respect, I am nobody obviously, I don't know this woman personally or something, but being human, she should not die especially at this young age, and its not wrong for her friends (directly or indirectly) to vent out their love or frustrations here. For the ones who have been giving ridiculously negative comments regarding Jill her, you don't know anything what they are undergoing! All you can go is bla bla bla, lets take Iraq over, bla bla bla, they want us to negotiate, bla bla bla, Bush government aint doin anything, bla bla .. whatever! Amanda, LAB, Dan ... ignore these ignorant fools and keep those sprits high, she will come home. There's still hope ..

33 The NEOCONS have committed the same grave error of conscience and character made by the people of Germany under Adolf Hitler. Hitler rose to absolute power on the national panic caused by the Reichstag Fire, and Bush has taken the same advantage of 911. This world has always been a dangerous place, and freedom has always been very costly. The wise know that freedom is priceless, and they know also that the safety Bush promises in exchange for it, is a mere fools ransom. Why do you think they call America the land of the free 'and' the home of the brave? If you are not brave enough to live here in freedom, then by all means live in a safe and orderly police state, but do so somewhere else. I hear the PRC is very safe and orderly. There are no drugs, no muggings, no terrorism, and the streets are clean too. If that is what matters to you most of all, then by all means, please get your stupid ass on plane and go!

34 I hope with all my heart that Jill is released and comes home safe, but I have a feelings she is a very aware and smart woman, and by now she knows who really kidnapped her. I can just see it her eyes, and I just know somehow she desperately wishes she could tell us.

35 What do you think is happening to her while she is waiting for the execution?

36 thes terrorist sons of bitches are cowards. ,aking their people do their dirty work while they sit in lavish palaces with their women. whats more they use their people and islam for their own greed manaical ends. peole of islam wake up! you must break free from those that put you in bondage.

37 Thursday, January 19, 2006 From democracy to Captive BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — As a deadline neared for hostage American journalist Jill Carroll, Muslim leaders and her pleading mother appealed Thursday to kidnappers to spare her life and set her free. Referring to demands from Carroll's abductors that Iraqi women be released from U.S. custody, a senior Iraqi official said six jailed Iraqi women were due to be freed by the U.S. military. Not just another beautiful face,but another beautiful AMERICAN face. So we have been wondering fro a long time now......what does our government in charge stand for? or are the suspisions correct and and they dont stand but are controlled by the anceant middle east? Are we going to ler our girl....that's right ( Our Girl) whose only plan as a journalist was to bring demography to seed in the middel east with comasssionate reports and storys of burnt out life in Iraq? Do you want to wake up every morning to this-----> Well have a nice day at school now son,and study the rebelion hard so you can show the world that even though we are a 3rd rate country we can offer a better show then the blai witch .So go on now Son,go suck some 1st rate blood and get a real good taste for it now. was that totally out there....out of controll,maybe even stupid? Well not any more stupid as the complete waste of man power,service men and woman lifes, millions on millions if not billions of dollars spent to show a ungrateful people the meaning of democracy. Yes they are learning all right, learning that the bush administration is a first rate fear factor machine,and doesn't have the balls to go in there...take the chance,and get the girl or not but put an end to this terrorists activitys once and for all. Will some one in the Bush administration please wake up!,and lets get moving into a peaceful future,and if that means taking out a natation full of terrorists.........do it all ready. I believ in second chances...third ,fourth,even fifth chances if that is what it takes. But if after all that time and effort the only response we can get back is ( off with her head!) Man....I mean put the playboy mag down and get out of the john Mr. P/ Do Something! Help me Mr. President! BOO HOO HOO HOO..snif! some body call 911 please. Have you seen this girl?Call Us.... we can help.Do you know where our childeren are?BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — As a deadline neared for hostage American journalist Jill Carroll, Muslim leaders and her pleading mother appealed Thursday to kidnappers to spare her life and set her free. Referring to demands from Carroll's abductors that Iraqi women be released from U.S. custody, a senior Iraqi official said six jailed Iraqi women were due to be freed by the U.S. military.Read some other blogs.

38 These beast abductors must be killed. . . the only thing they know is to raise funds by abducting people. Our society must not give importance for these kind of people. by recognizing them, they are also very happy since they thought they are important. They are evil and considered as social cancer.(Neneng C.Rellama-Philippines)

39 Clueless, they are known to torture female Americans with electricity, using car batteries, and I heard some other rumors too... It might not be all that good that she is pretty I am praying for her

40 The Iraqis want the US out of Iraq right? Yes they do, and supposedly they take hostages to make the US get out. Why would the Iraqis take peace activists and sympathetic journalists as hostages? They are not stupid. They know that if they did such things it would only make the American people more supportive of the occupation. Look at the timing of these kidnappings. They always happen when support for the occupation is failing. It is not Al-Qaeda. It is Al-CIAda. Use some common sense.

41 http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3828678 ABC NEWS Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape By Amber Rupinta (01/19/06 -- DURHAM) - A Duke professor says he is doubtful about Thursday's audiotape from Osama bin Laden. Bruce Lawrence has just published ?Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden,? a book translating bin Laden?s writing. He is skeptical of Thursday?s message. ?It was like a voice from the grave,? Lawrence said. He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements. ?There?s nothing in this from the Koran. He?s, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim,? Lawrence said. ?He quotes scripture in defense of his actions. There?s no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific events, no reference to past atrocities.? While the CIA confirms the voice on the tape is bin Laden?s, Lawrence questions when it was recorded. He says the timing of its release could be to divert attention from last week?s U.S. air strike in Pakistan. The strike targeted bin Laden?s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and killed four leading al Qaeda figures along with civilians. Lawrence believes faulty Pakistani intelligence led to the strike and the civilian deaths, and the tape was leaked by Pakistani authorities to divert attention from their mistake. ?It led to a failed military operation where America got blamed, but they people who are really to blame are the ones who provided the intelligence,? Lawrence said. ?I think this is an effort to say were not going look at this terrible incident that happened.? Another element that Lawrence takes issue with in bin Laden?s latest message is it?s length - - only 10 minutes. Previously, the shortest was 18 minutes.

42 Catching on yet? Christian peace activists and a journalist very sympathetic to the Iraqi people, Jill Carroll, are taken hostage. Then a supposed audio tape of Osama bin Laden threatening terrorism in the US is released. Now just whose agenda do these things serve? It is brutally obvious. The Bush administration is working overtime, to get the American people to support the Iraq occupation, and the immanent invasion of Iran. Wake up people! It's not Al-Qaeda. It's Al-CIAda.

43 I don't like everything he does or says, but his website has some great information, and you NEED to know what is really going on. Use the link. http://www.infowars.com/

44 What In The Blue Hell Is Going Through Your Mind Aaron???

45 And Where The Hell Did My Last Comments I Posted Run Off To???I Think They Dont Like Us Dee...

46 Natasha??? You would'nt by any chance be from Baltimore,Maryland would you?

47 Why is it that people feel the need to post views about things they couldnt possibly understand and have no intention on doing a damn thing about?Hey, how about putting on a military uniform and bringing your self over here and helping rid the world of these fanatics that you have no understanding of!That woman needs prayer not people who would venture to guess what side of the political fence she rides on or whether shes pro abortion or not.makes me sick to know that i defend your right to freedom of speech.

48 Anyone who claims it makes them sick, to know they defend the right to freedom of speech of those whom they disagree with, are not the defenders of liberty they wish us to believe they are. Out one side of his mouth pours hate, while out of the other side of his mouth oozes references to prayer. Who does that remind you of?

49 Has anyone interpreted what she was saying?!

50 as i look around iraq,Natasha......where are you?oh yeh, sitting in the states attempting to belittle others.i dont hate people like you and some of the others on this site.i just hope one day that the insurgents find and take people like you hostage instead of people like Jill Carroll.so sit in your little world taking your safety for granted and ill keep despising the fact that her life is in real danger and all you people can do is post bullshit on a web site about her.oh and by the way,rest easy knowing that we'll keep kicking in doors and dodging bullets trying to find her.god bless.....out here

51 He says he doesn't hate people like me, but he hopes the insurgents take people like me hostage, instead of people like Jill Carroll. He is obviously very confused. He advises me to, "sit in my little world taking my safety for granted", while he kicks in the doors of terrified Iraqis, dragging them off to Abu Graib Prison for "interrogation". Such despicable acts do not make me feel safe. I do not take my safety for granted anymore than the poor Iraqis do now. One would have to be a complete fool to take their safety for granted since the "Patriot" Act, what with the new secret police, and the NSA spying on us and all. Sadly now we must fear our own government. The way things are now, taking ones safety for granted is not only stupid, it is absolutely impossible. By the way. This "mongoose" guy is not in Iraq. They do not allow soldiers to log onto the INTERNET and go on forums discussing the occupation. They totally do NOT.

52 Natasha, you must be cute cuz you sure ain't smart

53 Oh. Ouch.

54 LOL...I Think One Of You Is Scared & The Other Is Glad Of It...

55 Clearly you rarely ever do though, and once again your words make this evident.

56 Oh Shut Up!!!

57 When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing Bill Arkin By William M. Arkin Monday, Feb. 1, 1999 "Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command. At least the voice sounds amazingly like him. But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape. Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors." "They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues. A Box of Chocolates is Like War Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy. For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future. "Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare. PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations. Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives. To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup. Allah on the Holodeck Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world. The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad? But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990? According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air. But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources. And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like? The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that [CENSORED] has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions." War is Like a Box of Chocolates Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands. Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations. The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword. Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future. "We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

58 Oh Gee...That Was Something we sure did'nt know.. Thank you for the momentary Glimpse of Day-Ja-Voo

59 Hey Natasha...Can I borrow $10 bucks???

60 There are those who are not aware of that, and I posted that for their benefit. There are other people in this world other than you. What is said or done by others, does not necessarily relate to what you want, or are already aware of.

61 More On New US Containment Camps. Just in case of what? Jan. 24, 2006, 11:05AM (BW) KBR Awarded U.S. Department of Homeland Security Contingency Support Project for Emergency Support Services By Business Editors (c) 2006 Business Wire ARLINGTON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 24, 2006--KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL). With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. "We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support," said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. "We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed." The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts. ICE is one of three agencies that make up the Border and Transportation Security (BTS) Directorate of the DHS. The mission of the BTS Directorate is to secure the nation's air, land and sea borders. ICE, the largest investigative arm of the DHS, is responsible for identifying and shutting down vulnerabilities in the nation's border, economic, transportation and infrastructure security. KBR is a global engineering, construction, technology and services company. Whether designing an LNG facility, serving as a defense industry contractor, or providing small capital construction, KBR delivers world-class service and performance. KBR employs more than 60,000 people in 43 countries around the world. Halliburton, founded in 1919, is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the petroleum and energy industries. The company serves its customers with a broad range of products and services through its Energy Services Group and KBR. Visit the company's World Wide Web site at www.halliburton.com.

62 Our government keeps growing LARGER, and our rights to privacy and freedom of movement, continue to be reduced as the economy teeters on the brink of collapse. Now the Bush administration has funded the building of massive internment camps right here at home. I don't care if you are a conservative or a liberal. These things are cause for grave concern. Clearly it is high time for all of us to drop the partisan bickering, and begin taking a very hard look at what is taking place in our own land for a change. Our entire way of life, the very freedom we have fought for in so many wars, is threatened not from outside by terrorists, but from within, by the very people who claim to protect us. "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

63 Oh Geez Natasha...You're pretty hostile for a barnyard animal...

64 Well Natasha...I agree with you on some things... You just need to work on pointing your finger at somebody else besides the Bush Administration for once...

65 I'll be waiting to hear about that $10 bucks...

66 Oh & by the way...The world does revolve around me...I'm just that damn great!!!

67 Natasha...Maybe I can help make you feel better about yourself...So Repeat After Me............ "I LIKE ME"..."YOU LIKE ME"..."AND I'M GOING TO HELP YOU"..."LIKE YOU"..............."SMILE"...

68 I sure hope Jill comes home safe. I have not heard any news about her, and so I imagine she is still alive. I think if they had killed her they would be using that for propaganda, and so I think that may be a good sign. Maybe I am just believing what I want to believe, but I can't help it. I really really hope this has a good ending.

69 its her own fault reporters should not be there on there own will

70 fuckin retard

71 Billy...You ot to not talk like dat...You just a boy...

72 Release of al-Qaida Detainee Still A Mystery 31 Jan 2006 - UPI RABAT, Morocco: Mystery surrounds the release by U.S. authorities in August 2004 of a Moroccan, suspected of being once the bodyguard of Osama bin Laden. Abdallah Tabarak, a former Moroccan transit worker, was captured in 2001 and taken to the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But then in August 2004, he was suddenly released and now Tabarak lives near Casablanca, almost a free man, reports The Washington Post. His case comes to light as the Pentagon gets ready for the first of its military tribunals. It points to the mysteries of U.S. priorities in deciding who to keep and who to let go, said the Post. When captured, Tabarak was suspected of being the bodyguard for the al-Qaida leader, who had worked on bin Laden's farm in Sudan and helped run a gemstone smuggling racket in Afghanistan. But neither the Pentagon nor official in Morocco would publicly offer any explanation why he was released. Tabarak's attorney says his importance as an al-Qaida figure has been exaggerated. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060130-101121-8626r [end UPI release] Hmmmmm Why was Abdallah Tabarak, Osama bin Laden's bodyguard, released by the US from Guantanamo, and yet most US prisoners have no known associations to al-Qaida? This is not the first time this has happened either. Why would "al-Qaida" kidnap peace activists and journalists, who oppose the US occupation and are sympathetic to the Iraqi people, instead of Haliburton employees or something? If "al-Qaida" is really that incredibly stupid, then why have US forces, not swiftly defeated them as promised? Why does "al-Qaida" release video and audio tapes whenever support for the war begins to fall again? Use a little common sense people. It's not al-Qaida. It's al-CIAda. We are on to you al-CIAda. Release Jill Carroll!

73 http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml What Really Happened By Cindy Sheehan t r u t h o u t | Perspective Wednesday 01 February 2006 As most of you have probably heard, I was arrested before the State of the Union address last night. I am speechless with fury at what happened and with grief over what we have lost in our country. There have been lies from the police and distortions by the press (shocker). So this is what really happened: This afternoon at the People's State of the Union Address in DC, where I was joined by Congresspersons Lynn Woolsey and John Conyers, Ann Wright, Malik Rahim and John Cavanagh, Lynn brought me a ticket to the State of the Union address. At that time, I was wearing the shirt that said: 2245 Dead. How many more? After the PSOTU press conference, I was having second thoughts about going to the SOTU at the Capitol. I didn't feel comfortable going. I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me, and I knew that I couldn't disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket, and I didn't want to be disruptive out of respect for her. I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns, who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media, and everyone knew I was going to be there, so I sucked it up and went. I got the ticket back from John, and I met one of Congresswoman Barbara Lee's staffers in the Longworth Congressional Office building and we went to the Capitol via the underground tunnel. I went through security once, then had to use the rest room and went through security again. My ticket was in the 5th gallery, front row, fourth seat in. The person who in a few minutes was to arrest me, helped me to my seat. I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled, "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat, and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?" By the way, his name is Mike Weight. The officer ran with me to the elevators, yelling at everyone to move out of the way. When we got to the elevators, he cuffed me and took me outside to await a squad car. On the way out, someone behind me said, "That's Cindy Sheehan." At which point the officer who arrested me said, "Take these steps slowly." I said, "You didn't care about being careful when you were dragging me up the other steps." He said, "That's because you were protesting." Wow, I got hauled out of the People's House because I was "Protesting." I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things ... I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct." After I had my personal items inventoried and my fingers printed, a nice Sgt. came in and looked at my shirt and said, "2245, huh? I just got back from there." I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain. What did Casey die for? What did the 2244 other brave young Americans die for? What are tens of thousands of them over there in harm's way for still? For this? I can't even wear a shirt that has the number of troops on it that George Bush and his arrogant and ignorant policies are responsible for killing. I wore the shirt to make a statement. The press knew I was going to be there, and I thought every once in awhile they would show me, and I would have the shirt on. I did not wear it to be disruptive, or I would have unzipped my jacket during George's speech. If I had any idea what happens to people who wear shirts that make the neocons uncomfortable, that I would be arrested ... maybe I would have, but I didn't. There have already been many wild stories out there. I have some lawyers looking into filing a First Amendment lawsuit against the government for what happened tonight. I will file it. It is time to take our freedoms and our country back. I don't want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether or not he/she has paid the ultimate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government. That's why I am going to take my freedoms and liberties back. That's why I am not going to let BushCo take anything else away from me ... or you. I am so appreciative of the couple of hundred of protesters who came to the jail while I was locked up to show their support. We have so much potential for good. There is so much good in so many people. Four hours and 2 jails after I was arrested, I was let out. Again, I am so upset and sore it is hard to think straight. Keep up the struggle ... I promise you, I will too.

74 Well,If that was exactly how it happened.Then I think they were wrong for hauling her out of there.In any case,I think they should have waited until she started running her mouth like she usually does,before they arrested her.That would have been a powerful blow against her if she had of.You can't blame Bush for it either.I know most of you democrats & Liberals like to jump at every oppertunity to blame Bush for some bullshit like that.The next thing we will hear is how Bush ordered her to be removed from the building.I sympathize with her over the loss of her son,but she has gone too far.She obviously does'nt understand the reasons we are at war.She is just so upset over her sons death she's gone insane.So I understand she has lost,but she must still pay for her actions,& she deserves the way she has been treated for her past actions.If I had of died when I was over there.I sure as hell would'nt have wanted my mother acting like that. I feel like that would disgrace my name.Everybody has their own preferences though.That's just mine.Her son chose to be a soldier & soldiers have a duty to defend their country by going into harms way.It's sad that we have to go to war,but it's necessary.If we do not confront these problems now,then we endanger the future generations.(OUR CHILDREN THAT IS).Alot of people don't think ahead of what will happen in the future if we do not take action.Thats why most of them come to retarded ass conclusions,because they don't acknowledge all the facts.Alot of people who are not political or never pay attention to what happens around the world usually,automatically make snap decisions & stupid remarks like it's wrong to be over there, Bush is evil,we're just stealing oil,stupid shit like that.Like my sisters for example.They know nothing about the world,yet they think they do. All they care about is what happens around them. They dont know who we are fighting.They dont know who attacked us on 9/11 except that they were terrorist.Hell,They would have to look it up just to find out who "President Bush" is.They dont take the time to vote for anything,even when it myte benefit them.Nor do they vote for presidential elections.My point is they know not 1 damn thing.All they hear is the rumours flowing through the air and they start running their mouths saying they're against the war.When they dont even who the hell we're fighting,or where we're fighting.They dont read the papers or watch the news or anything of that nature.They are not aware of what is happening around their country. Yet they like to bitch & complain when things dont go their way.It just pisses me off,because I see alot of that.They're the type that follows the crowd.Not knowing that they're following the wrong crowd.They're all in their late 20's.They should know better.Ofcourse,a couple of them are blondes.(Go Figure).Thats the problem with people here in America.Alot of them are afraid of failure & they panic.They're too scared to try & be independent.So instead they follow the crowd. The Democratic crowd,The Republican crowd & all the others without understanding the facts.It is very important to vote whether you like any of the parties or not.You simply must vote for whom you like the least.One way or another somebody is gonna win,& in my opinion if you don't vote,then you should sit back,seal your lips,& keep your opinions to yourself.I think we should be more stricter in our schools today.Make sure that todays youth is very well educated in these matters,because todays youth is losing interest in learning such things.Part of the reason for that is because we're not strict enough in school.Stricter by meaning kids should focus more on their work & make sure that each level they're at,that they have fully understood the subject.Then move on to the next.Where I went to school in the late 90's we hardly learned anything about the goverment.(And Yes It Was A Normal School).We were simply briefed on those subjects then moved on.I just know that I would want my kid to learn as much as they can,& understand the facts of how everything works.I dont want my kid to be the type who follows the crowd,& makes snap decisions about things they know nothing about.I dont want them to hear those rumours flowing through the air,& believe it without knowing the facts.Alot of you myte think Im a little off track,& that this is not the right place for me to be expressing my opinions.Why dont you tell that to "Natasha".She's the one who makes me go all haywire here.This is not her first time to do that either.I feel it's relevant,because all these things we talk about,are connected just about.Anyways,Lets keep hope alive for "Jill Carroll".May she return home safe & sound.

75 Oh By The Way "Natasha",BITE ME!!!

76 Oh,1 more thing "Natasha".Quit copying articles out of magazines,& posting them here.I'm the only who ever responds to them,& they suck.You just drive me nutz!

77 Why do you hate freedom?

78 Release of al-Qaida Detainee Still A Mystery 31 Jan 2006 - UPI RABAT, Morocco: Mystery surrounds the release by U.S. authorities in August 2004 of a Moroccan, suspected of being once the bodyguard of Osama bin Laden. Abdallah Tabarak, a former Moroccan transit worker, was captured in 2001 and taken to the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But then in August 2004, he was suddenly released and now Tabarak lives near Casablanca, almost a free man, reports The Washington Post. His case comes to light as the Pentagon gets ready for the first of its military tribunals. It points to the mysteries of U.S. priorities in deciding who to keep and who to let go, said the Post. When captured, Tabarak was suspected of being the bodyguard for the al-Qaida leader, who had worked on bin Laden's farm in Sudan and helped run a gemstone smuggling racket in Afghanistan. But neither the Pentagon nor official in Morocco would publicly offer any explanation why he was released. Tabarak's attorney says his importance as an al-Qaida figure has been exaggerated. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060130-101121-8626r [end UPI release] Hmmmmm Why was Abdallah Tabarak, Osama bin Laden's bodyguard, released by the US from Guantanamo, and yet most US prisoners have no known associations to al-Qaida? This is not the first time this has happened either. Why would "al-Qaida" kidnap peace activists and journalists, who oppose the US occupation and are sympathetic to the Iraqi people, instead of Haliburton employees or something? If "al-Qaida" is really that incredibly stupid, then why have US forces, not swiftly defeated them as promised? Why does "al-Qaida" release video and audio tapes whenever support for the war begins to fall again? Use a little common sense people. It's not al-Qaida. It's al-CIAda. We are on to you al-CIAda. Release Jill Carroll!

79 I dont hate freedom...You just annoy me...

80 Then why not go over to Usenet or something? I bet they could use a good trolling.

81 Oh Shut Up ya little brat!!!

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84 So called "Al-Qaeda", THE BASE in Arabic, was in fact the US code name for CIA funded and trained anti Soviet insurgents, operating in Afghanistan during the early 1980s. QUESTIONS Why was Abdallah Tabarak, Osama bin Laden's bodyguard, released by the US from Guantanamo Bay Prison, and yet the US admits that most "detainees", prisoners, have no known associations to "Al-Qaeda"? Why would "Al-Qaeda" kidnap peace activists and journalists, who oppose the US occupation and are sympathetic to the Iraqi people, when they could abduct people who are a threat to them? Why does "Al-Qaeda" release video and audio tapes whenever support for the war begins to fall again? Use a little common sense people. It's not Al-Qaeda. It's Al-CIAda. We are on to you Al-CIAda. Release Jill Carroll !

85 Was Jill Carroll abducted because she got to close to the truth about Al CIAda? The following article appeared in the May 23, 2002 edition of The Christian Science Monitor. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s02-coop.html Debunk the myth of Al Qaeda Its size and reach have been blown out of proportion By Kimberly A. McCloud and Adam Dolnik MONTEREY, CALIF. – News reports indicate that Al Qaeda, ousted from its camps in Afghanistan, is now on the loose, spreading terror around the world. Several recent attacks have been claimed by or attributed to the terrorist network, including an assault on a Jewish synagogue in Tunisia, multiple explosions in Yemen last month (including one at the US Embassy compound), attacks in the Philippines, and a fire in the Milan metro. But is Al Qaeda really behind all these attacks? Analysts cite differences in modus operandi compared with alleged past attacks, as well as more probable perpetrators in those recent incidents. Still, Al Qaeda is likely to be the top suspect in future incidents. Victims, including states, may even blame Al Qaeda for political reasons, namely to gain US sympathy and support. Would-be terrorists the world over may be inspired to perpetrate attacks, seeking to feel they are part of what they perceive as a large, powerful terrorist movement. The public perception that Al Qaeda is running wild is likely to increase fear, especially among Americans. Such concern, when translated into a heightened vigilance about one's surroundings – particularly in light of this week's warnings about future attacks in the US – may not be a completely bad thing. But unchecked public fear, taken to an extreme, could immobilize citizens, jeopardize civil liberties, and lead America into too many fights abroad. The United States and its allies in the war on terrorism must defuse the widespread image of Al Qaeda as a ubiquitous, super-organized terror network and call it as it is: a loose collection of groups and individuals that doesn't even refer to itself as "Al Qaeda." Most of the affiliated groups have distinct goals within their own countries or regions, and pose little direct threat to the United States. Washington must also be careful not to imply that any attack anywhere is by definition, or likely, the work of Al Qaeda. This phenomenon of "exaggerated enemy" is not new. In 1983, three spectacular suicide bombings in Beirut were claimed by the previously unknown "Islamic Jihad." Numerous subsequent attacks were attributed to the group. And while the intelligence community concluded that "Islamic Jihad" was a nom de guerre for the Lebanese Hizbullah, it was clear that many of the subsequent attacks were unrelated to the militant Shiia organization. Still, the campaign succeeded in creating the image of an invincible force, and "Islamic Jihad" became a symbol to follow – much as Al Qaeda is today. The US must be careful about its use of the term "Al Qaeda." Meaning "the base" in Arabic, it originally referred to an Afghan operational base for the mujahideen during the Soviet occupation in the '80s. In the current context of Osama bin Laden's terror network, this name was imposed externally by Western officials and media sources. Mr. bin Laden has, in fact, never mentioned "Al Qaeda" publicly. In the quest to define the enemy, the US and its allies have helped to blow it out of proportion. Posters and matchbooks featuring bin Laden's face and the reward for his capture in a dozen languages transformed this little-known "jihadist" into a household name and, in some places, a symbol of heroic defiance. By committing itself to eradicating terrorism, the Bush administration has put itself in a difficult position, especially if "Al Qaeda" begins popping up all over the map. While the US government must be diligent in protecting its citizens, it cannot try to extinguish every terrorist flame that appears without further encouraging the phenomenon as well as exhausting its resources. America must choose its battles wisely. Resisting immediate attribution of attacks to Al Qaeda is the first step in defusing the enemy. While the Bush administration has not necessarily been blaming all post-9/11 attacks on Al Qaeda, it has passively allowed others to claim themselves as Al Qaeda or to blame it. By allowing Al Qaeda to become the top brand name of international terrorism, Washington has packaged the "enemy" into something with a structure, a leader, and a main area of operation. An invisible, amorphous enemy may be even more frightening. But we must be honest with the facts in order to construct a viable long-term strategy to combat terrorism.

86 Just in case you misunderstood me before "Natasha"...SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

87 Why do you hate freedom?

88 No...Just You!!!

89 You don't hate me. You don't even know me. No. You just hate the truth.

90 An Al CIAda psychological operation (psyop) in action. "Why did it take five months for what Western media dubbed 'instant reactions to the insult' to materialize?" 'Muhammad cartoon' proved fake Imam added 3 especially provocative images to fuel outrage Posted: February 8, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48718 One of three especially inflammatory but undocumented Muhammad images distributed by a Danish imam as an example of an "anti-Muslim environment" in the European country turns out to be a poorly reproduced copy of an Associated Press photo taken at a French pig-squealing contest. The weblog NeanderNews pointed out the image used by Imam Ahmad Abu Laban was a faxed copy of AP's Aug. 15 photo of Jacques Barrot competing at the annual French Pig-Squealing Championships in Trie-sur-Baise. Since last week, Muslims throughout the world have engaged in protests and deadly riots in response to 12 cartoons caricaturing Islam's prophet Muhammad published in September by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and three much more provocative images that Muslim leaders have been unable to document. One of those images of mysterious origin, which never were published, is from the AP photo. Another depicts Muhammad as a pedophile demon and a third has a praying Muslim being raped by a dog, according to the weblog Gateway Pundit. Abu Laban, leader of the Islamic Society of Denmark, took the images on a tour of the Middle East in December to rally support for his protest against the newspaper and Danish government. Tour spokesman Akhmad Akkari explained the three drawings had been added to "give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims." Akkari claimed he didn't know the origin of the three images, saying they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. But he rejected a request by the Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet to speak with the people who supposedly received them. In a television interview, Abu Laban told Fox News the cartoons came from threatening letters, but he has not replied to the network's request to provide copies of the letters. A profile of Abu Laban Friday night on Danish television documented his close ties to the Egyptian terrorist group Gamaa Islamiya. Another program the same evening showed him speaking in English on Danish television in condemnation of the boycott of Danish goods, then, in an interview with the Middle East news channel al-Jazeera, happily remarking in Arabic about how well the boycott was going. Walid Phares, senior fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington, asked in an article published on Counterterrorism blog, "Why did it take five months for what Western media dubbed 'instant reactions to the insult' to materialize?" Leaders of the Muslim community in Denmark said they attempted to resolve the matter locally by asking the newspaper or government to apologize. But some analysts, Phares said, "see more of a greater agenda: taking advantage of the harm made by the pictures to impose a new political order in that Scandinavian country, and beyond." Abu Laban seemed to affirm that in the interview with Fox News, which was noted by Gateway Pundit. The Muslim cleric told reporter Jonathan Hunt of his demand that Danish leaders "within their abilities and competence and within the concept of dynamism of liberalism to create … a new set of rules. … " Hunt: So, you want a new set of rules for the way Western Europe lives? Abu Laban: Yes. [the cartoons in question are here] http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48718

91 What makes this bitch anymore important than the previous hostages that were killed? WTF are you people thinking. Ohh... let's give in to the terrorists, let us obey their every word and release other terrorists. Wake up you liberal jerks, stop being so god dam soft. Why should the United States do anything for her? afterall, we don't give into terrorist demands. They can kill her for all I care. P.S. Somebody should tell her to stop dressing like a terrorist, she looks ridiculous with that cloth over her head.

92 Another perfect example of how morally superior Christians are to those barbaric Muslims huh? By the way. Women are required to wear that "cloth" over there. It doesn't matter who they are or why they are there.

93 So much of what is happening are propaganda stunts sponsored by U.S imperial agents to fan the flames of war and aggression. With that said I'd say things do not look good for Jill. My guess is that she will be brutally killed, on video of course, so the world can witness the villan Arabs, who according to W "have no soul." Thusly American sheeple are made ready for the attack. Orwell spins in his grave. jamie jamie

94 Very well said Jamie. It still amazes me how blind so many people are to these things. It all seems so very obvious to me. Certainly the modus/opportunity/timing and motivation revealed by the agenda being profited, would be enough to make any decent police detective or FBI investigator, place BushcoHaliburtoninc as the number one suspect if kidnap/extortion/serial murder unsubs were being profiled. The structure shows these things to be standard wartime 'making of the enemy' propaganda. But the degree of viciousness and callous nature of methodology exceeds anything previously done in wartime by anyone to garner civil support for a war. In light of these things W's accusation of 'their' supposed soulessness is doubly chilling.

95 “There’s a complete lack of empathy from senior officers who don’t know what it’s like to be a combat soldier on the ground,” Rebrook said. “There’s a whole lot of people who don’t want to help you. They’re more concerned with process than product.” [article excerpt] The Charleston Gazette February 07, 2006 Soldier pays for armor Army demanded $700 from city man who was wounded By Eric Eyre Staff writer The last time 1st Lt. William “Eddie” Rebrook IV saw his body armor, he was lying on a stretcher in Iraq, his arm shattered and covered in blood. A field medic tied a tourniquet around Rebrook’s right arm to stanch the bleeding from shrapnel wounds. Soldiers yanked off his blood-soaked body armor. He never saw it again. But last week, Rebrook was forced to pay $700 for that body armor, blown up by a roadside bomb more than a year ago. “I last saw the [body armor] when it was pulled off my bleeding body while I was being evacuated in a helicopter,” Rebrook said. “They took it off me and burned it.” But no one documented that he lost his Kevlar body armor during battle, he said. No one wrote down that armor had apparently been incinerated as a biohazard. Rebrook’s mother, Beckie Drumheler, said she was saddened — and angry — when she learned that the Army discharged her son with a $700 bill. Soldiers who serve their country, those who put their lives on the line, deserve better, she said. “It’s outrageous, ridiculous and unconscionable,” Drumheler said. “I wanted to stand on a street corner and yell through a megaphone about this.” For the rest of the article go here. http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2006020623?pt=0 Face it. They don't care about any of us, or anything other, than getting what the want.

96 Hey guys Guess what? Jill Carrol doesn't have enough insight or individuality to know not to where bell bottoms under that stupid burka. So much for the independant thinker with strong opinions. Just another dumb girl which puts her in the majority.

97 One does not "where" pants, one wears them. What a stupid ass.

98 Thanks for the correction, Natasha Let me practise for a second. I don't wear baggy pants or pants that are stacked up at the bottom. I don't wear baggy pants or pants that are stacked up at the bottom. I don't wear baggy pants or pants that are stacked up at the bottom. Now-Girls are dumb and where bell bottoms all the time and pull their eyebrows out into nothing because almost all of them are dumb Like Jill Carroll. I'm so glad that I'm 37 and my sex drive has declined to the point where I don't have to talk to girls any more. I used to have to talk to them when I was younger but now I'm free. I'm also very glad I've never been married because I don't want to do anything for any women and I don't care what their hopes and dreams or opinions are about anything. I also am not going to listen to someone's talking to me about nothing constantly. Here's a little advice for you younger guys out there. If you want to get laid act as though you care what the girl has to say and keep the conversation about nothing. If you bring up anything complicated, 99% of the time you're going home alone. Also, don't get married because once the sex dies off you're stuck paying the bills of a nagging woman who will always be complaining and you'll never get anything out of the situation. For all you Carroll fans, don't worry they're not going to kill her. They'll let her go and then she'll have a press conference in her bell bottoms.

99 Thanks for the correction, Natasha. Let me practise for a second. I don't wear baggy pants or pants that are stacked up at the bottom. I don't wear baggy pants or pants that are stacked up at the bottom. I don't wear baggy pants or pants that are stacked up at the bottom. Now-Girls are dumb and where bell bottoms all the time and pull their eyebrows out into nothing because almost all of them are dumb Like Jill Carroll. I'm so glad that I'm 37 and my sex drive has declined to the point where I don't have to talk to girls any more. I used to have to talk to them when I was younger but now I'm free. I'm also very glad I've never been married because I don't want to do anything for any women and I don't care what their hopes and dreams or opinions are about anything. I also am not going to listen to someone's talking to me about nothing constantly. Here's a little advice for you younger guys out there. If you want to get laid act as though you care what the girl has to say and keep the conversation about nothing. If you bring up anything complicated, 99% of the time you're going home alone. Also, don't get married because once the sex dies off you're stuck paying the bills of a nagging woman who will always be complaining and you'll never get anything out of the situation. For all you Carroll fans, don't worry they're not going to kill her. They'll let her go and then she'll have a press conference in her bell bottoms.

100 Oops misspelled wear again and practice too. WHere's Natasha when I need her?

101 My heart goes out to Jill, but only because she's a total babe. I don't think I'd be paying attention if she wasn't good-looking.

102 Now we have the true Natasha. Conspiracies everywhere! No matter what it is, no matter who did it, the CIA is behind it! I'm wondering; is this the bumbling CIA who couldn't get any intel straight and couldn't connect the simplest of dots - or the CIA who controls the world as if it were their own private puppet show ... MuWAHAHAHA. (Sooper sekrit note to self: remember to tell Natasha "'tis best to link to information on the net instead of copying and pasting reams and reams of someone else's work.") Natasha, you're proving to be a real lightweight, dear.

103 OK. Who brought the trollhouse kookies?

104 Uh, excuse me - "troll" speaking: For your information there are logical and reasonable explanations for all your "conspiracies". Not that logic or reason comprises any part of your repertoire. 1) ICE facilities - ICE facilities serve many purposes. They are not detainment camps in the manner you imply no matter what you read in the media. That is all hype and baloney. They are for containment purposes for emergency reasons such as disease outbreaks that may occur naturally or by reason of mass immigration of infected persons or by reason of deliberate measures like a terrorist organization which may spread, by any means, something like typhoid, plague or any type of infectious organism. They are also for the detainment of mass illegal immigrants as well as for the use of military personnel to facilitate proper procedures of containment for any manner of issues. If they're building new facilities, my guess would be that they finally intend to detain a great deal of illegals and facilitate their deportation. Sure, such things, like anything else, could be used for nefarious purposes, but this is not for the "secret" purposes of detaining American citizens or anyone for political reasons as the media vaguely implies. 2) Cartoons - To imply that the origin of the anomalous cartoons used by the Danish Imams were CIA contrived measures to enrage the Muslim community is ridiculous. The Danish Imams did this to enrage their own people as it is "their" support which is waning. 3) Jill Carroll - To imply that the CIA is "controlling" Ms. Carroll's kidnappers to drum up waning support for the war is absurd. Common sense dictates that this provides more fodder for the opposition to the war than anything. Hence my remark, is this the incredibly stupid CIA or the fantastically smart CIA? There are many and varied reasons to be angry at our government that are legitimate and well founded. To make phantasmagorical, conspiratorial stuff up only detracts from those legitimate issues. Furthermore, I understand it's hard for you to see (you know, "forest for the trees" and all that), but trolls are people who show up new in blogs and immediately display a manner contrary to that of the majority of the group, calling people names, disseminating unproven and unfounded conspiracies, displaying moral superiority and propagating thoroughly debunked or non-factual information. Contrary to your belief, those of us who come here regularly and have for a long time are educated objective people. We don't fall for every conspiracy that comes down the pipe and prefer fact over fiction or imagination. Of course, I could just be a CIA puppet planted here to deflect criticism and obfuscate the issues here. Or I could be a "blind Bush supporter" who can't tell truth from fiction as I lockstep to my master's command and the Zionist conspiracy. Or I could simply be a realist. Whatever the case, your opinion of me means nothing.

105 I am not going to rise to the bait being trolled by those who wish to divert the topic of this thread. I don't care who the trolls "really are", and I not going waste my time speculating upon their motives. Such childish nonsense is a complete waste of time. I hope that Jill Carroll will be released unharmed very soon. I think such hope is still well within reason, and to me her safe return is of primary importance. I look forward to hearing some good news about her very soon.

106 Tralfamadorians, Annanuki or Illuminati anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?.............Beuller?..............Beuller? Carroll?.............Carroll?...............Carroll?

107 hahaha. Divert the topic of the thread? Oh, that's rich. Your hypocrisy is amazing.

108 I wonder what the Nazis called their "detention facilities"? I wonder also what official explanation the Nazis gave for their construction? The Nazis put on a good show for those sent to check out their "detention centers". That much is known. New prisoners, who hadn't already wasted away from starvation or showed obvious signs of torture, were given nice new prison jumpers and good food, to show the visiting investigators how well the "detainees" were being treated. Why even the acronym ICE is friendly isn't it? So how could anyone even think the new camps, being built all over the country right now, are anything but good wholesome mass detention centers? Oh dear. It just occurred to me how they could. They think. They may also remember history.

109 Ashville Citizen Times http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/COLUMNISTS08/60224032&SearchID=73237066393288 Detention centers for who, exactly? by Jim Buchanan February 26, 2006 6:00 am Columnist Tom Hennessy beat me to the punch on today’s topic in a column published Feb. 3 in the Press-Telegram of Long Beach, Calif. The points he made also occurred to me, and they bear repeating. Here’s the story: In late January Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton, was awarded a contract valued at up to $385 million to build detention centers. On U.S. soil. The story didn’t make much of a dent. It landed on A7 of the New York Times, and was barely picked up anywhere else. A KBR press release says: “The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Custom Enforcement Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.’’ Apparently if the centers aren’t built, KBR won’t get paid. And apparently, this is a contingency contract, not a commitment, that could cover the next five years. KBR and Halliburton — Vice President Dick Cheney’s old firm — have been rolling in taxpayer dollars of late. KBR does a lot of work in Iraq, things like feeding the troops. They’ve also got some experience in building detention centers. The facilities at Guantanamo Bay come to mind. Hennessy called for details about the proposal from elected representatives in California (a call I’ll repeat to those from North Carolina). He finished his column with this: “Let’s not have it said, years from now, that no one ever questioned this.’’ Hear hear, brother Tom. What questions? Well, let’s look back at that press release. “In the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S. …’’ An optimist would say that’s wise planning. A pessimist would wonder just what could spark such an influx and why we should be planning to build detention centers. A true cynic would wonder just what constitutes an emergency influx. There are, after all, an estimated 10 million illegal immigrants currently in the country. Anyway, this thing sounds like a plan to deal with immigration. But it could … “support the rapid development of new programs.’’ And those would be … what, exactly? The bottom line here is that there are plans ready to build large detention facilities in the United States. Not “illegal immigrant relocation centers,’’ not “emergency housing facilities.’’ Detention centers. This at a time when the government seems bent on probing and prying into the lives of Americans — while feeling no obligation to let citizens in on what’s going on. Say another terror strike hits; perhaps everyone on the “no-fly’’ list should be put in camps. Thing is, people on that list have included infants, at least one U.S. senator, and the chairman of the House Transportation Committee. Maybe I should be fitted for a tinfoil hat. Maybe this is no big deal. Whatever. This stuff gives me the willies. Hennessy is right. We have to ask questions. We especially have to ask them in an era of fear.

110 Can we get any alien world domination theories in here. Farrakhan's always talking about the mother ship hovering just outside our atmosphere. If we ad the twelve supreme court justices to the six members of the board of governors on the federal reserve board we have eighteen. But if we throw in Jill Carroll it becomes Farrakhan's ancient evil number nineteen he's always complaining about. That's gotta mean something. Muwahahahaha You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that cannot be done. Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here! What do we have?

111 This is both the current and genuine US ARMY document: Army Regulation 210–35 Installations Civilian Inmate Labor Program Headquarters Department of the Army Washington, DC 14 January 2005 UNCLASSIFIED ----------------------------------------------- SUMMARY of CHANGE AR 210–35 Civilian Inmate Labor Program This rapid action revision dated 14 January 2005-- o Assigns responsibilities to Headquarters, Installation Management Agency (para 1-4j). o Makes administrative and editorial changes (throughout). This new regulation dated 9 December 1997 o Provides Army policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations. o Discusses sources of Federal and State civilian inmate labor. ------------------------------------------------ Headquarters Department of the Army Washington, DC 14 January 2005 Installations Civilian Inmate Labor Program *Army Regulation 210–35 Effective 14 February 2005 History. This publication is a rapid action r e v i s i o n . T h e p o r t i o n s a f f e c t e d b y t h i s r a p i d a c t i o n r e v i s i o n a r e l i s t e d i n t h e summary of change. S u m m a r y . T h i s r e g u l a t i o n p r o v i d e s guidance for establishing and managing civilian inmate labor programs on Army installations. It provides guidance on establishing prison camps on Army installat i o n s . I t a d d r e s s e s r e c o r d k e e p i n g a n d reporting incidents related to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and/or prison camp administration. Applicability. This regulation applies to t h e A c t i v e A r m y , t h e A r m y N a t i o n a l Guard of the United States, and the U.S. A r m y R e s e r v e u n l e s s o t h e r w i s e s t a t e d . During mobilization, the Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management may modify chapters and policies contained in this regulation. Proponent and exception authority. The proponent of this regulation is the Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management. The proponent has the authority to approve exceptions or waivers to this regulation that are consistent with controlling law and regulations. The proponent may delegate this approval authority, in writing, to a division chief within the proponent agency or a direct reporting unit or field operating agency of the proponent agency in the grade of colonel or the civilian equivalent. Activities may request a waiver to this regulation by prov i d i n g j u s t i f i c a t i o n t h a t i n c l u d e s a f u l l analysis of the expected benefits and must i n c l u d e f o r m a l r e v i e w b y t h e a c t i v i t y ’ s senior legal officer. All waiver requests will be endorsed by the commander or s e n i o r l e a d e r o f t h e r e q u e s t i n g a c t i v i t y and forwarded through their higher headquarters to the policy proponent. Refer to AR 25–30 for specific guidance. Army management control process. This regulation contains management control provisions and identifies key management controls that must be evaluated. S u p p l e m e n t a t i o n . S u p p l e m e n t a t i o n o f this regulation and establishment of command and local forms are prohibited without prior approval from Assistant Chief of S t a f f f o r I n s t a l l a t i o n M a n a g e m e n t (DAIM–ZA), 600 Army Pentagon, Washington, DC 20310–0600. Suggested improvements. Users are invited to send comments and suggested improvements on DA Form 2028 (Recomm e n d e d C h a n g e s t o P u b l i c a t i o n s a n d Blank Forms) directly to Assistant Chief o f S t a f f f o r I n s t a l l a t i o n M a n a g e m e n t (DAIM–MD), 600 Army Pentagon, Washington, DC 20310–0600. Distribution. This publication is available in electronic media only and is intended for command levels A, B, C, D, and E for the Active Army, Army National Guard of the United States, and the U.S. Army Reserve. Contents (Listed by paragraph and page number) Chapter 1 Introduction, page 1 Purpose  1–1, page 1 References  1–2, page 1 Explanation of abbreviations and terms  1–3, page 1 Responsibilities  1–4, page 1 Civilian inmate labor programs  1–5, page 2 The process  1–6, page 2 Chapter 2 Establishing Installation Civilian Inmate Labor Programs, page 4 Policy statement  2–1, page 4 *This regulation supersedes AR 210–35, dated 9 December 1997. AR 210–35  14 January 2005 i UNCLASSIFIED ----------------------------------------------- Contents—Continued Negotiating with corrections systems representatives  2–2, page 4 Governing provisions  2–3, page 4 Procedures for establishing installation civilian inmate labor programs  2–4, page 7 Chapter 3 Establishing Civilian Inmate Prison Camps on Army Installations, page 8 Policy statement  3–1, page 8 Negotiating with correctional systems representatives to establish prison camps  3–2, page 8 Governing criteria civilian inmate prison camps  3–3, page 8 Governing provisions for operating civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations  3–4, page 9 Procedures for establishing a civilian inmate prison camp on Army installations  3–5, page 9 Interservice, interagency, or interdepartmental support agreements  3–6, page 10 Chapter 4 Reporting and Recordkeeping, page 10 Incident reports  4–1, page 10 Media coverage  4–2, page 10 Recordkeeping  4–3, page 11 Appendixes A. References, page 12 B. Memorandum of Agreement Format, page 13 C. Sample Inmate Labor Plan, page 19 D. Management Control Evaluation Checklist, page 23 E. 18 USC 4125(A), and Executive Order 11755, page 23 Figure List Figure 1–1: Civilian Inmate Labor Program process, page 3 Figure B–1: Sample format for a memorandum of agreement, page 14 Figure B–1: Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued, page 15 Figure B–1: Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued, page 16 Figure B–1: Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued, page 17 Figure B–1: Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued, page 18 Figure B–1: Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued, page 19 Figure C–1: Sample Inmate Labor Plan—continued, page 20 Figure C–1: Sample Inmate Labor Plan—continued, page 21 Figure C–1: Sample Inmate Labor Plan—continued, page 22 Glossary Index ii AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Chapter 1 Introduction 1–1. Purpose This regulation provides Army policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations. Sources of civilian inmate labor are limited to on– and off–post Federal corrections facilities, State and/or local corrections facilities operating from on–post prison camps pursuant to leases under Section 2667, Title 10, United States Code (10 USC 2667), and off–post State corrections facilities participating in the demonstration project authorized under Section 1065, Public Law (PL) 103–337. Otherwise, State and/or local inmate labor from off–post corrections facilities is currently excluded from this program. 1–2. References Required and related publications and prescribed and referenced forms are listed in appendix A. 1–3. Explanation of abbreviations and terms Abbreviations and special terms used in this regulation are explained in the glossary. 1–4. Responsibilities a. The Assistant Secretary of the Army (Installations and Environment) (ASA(I&E)) will— (1) Provide policy guidance and resolve policy issues. (2) Provide overall program direction. (3) Serve as approval authority for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations. (4) Provide procedural guidance on real property acquisition, management, and disposal relating to establishing prison camps on Army installations. b. The Assistant Secretary of the Army (Financial Management and Comptroller) (ASA(FM&C)) will— (1) Provide reimbursement policy guidance on interservice, interagency, and/or interdepartmental support agreements between installations and corrections facilities to establish civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations. (2) Provide reimbursement policy for civilian inmate labor utilization, other than reimbursement for inmate labor itself. (3) Review all actions pertaining to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program for compliance with Army financial management guidance. c. The Chief of Public Affairs will— (1) Monitor media coverage on installation civilian inmate labor programs and civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations. (2) Coordinate all proposed media coverage of potential national interest concerning the Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program and civilian inmate prison camps with the Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management (ACSIM) prior to release. d. The Assistant Secretary of the Army (Manpower and Reserve Affairs) (ASA(M&RA)) will— (1) Provide policy guidance on inmate labor utilization issues pertaining to existing in–house resources. (2) Provide policy guidance and procedures for apprising installation government employee labor unions of proposals to use civilian inmate labor and, for existing installation civilian inmate labor programs, apprising these unions of changes in agreements with corrections facilities governing inmate use. e. The Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management will— (1) Execute the Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program. (2) Develop and implement policy and procedures for using civilian inmate labor and establishing civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations. (3) Serve as the focal point for staff coordination on issues pertaining to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and/or civilian inmate prison camps. (4) Conduct a program review in accordance with AR 11–2 once every 5 years. (5) Provide policy guidance on functions for which civilian inmate labor can be used. (6) Review reports of availability pertaining to granting the use of Army real property. (7) Immediately inform the Chief, Legislative Liaison of approval of civilian inmate labor programs and civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations to facilitate notification to interested members of Congress. f. The General Counsel and the Judge Advocate General will review all actions pertaining to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and civilian inmate prison camps for compliance with applicable laws and regulations. g. The Chief of Engineers will, in those cases involving use of Army real property, handle all matters pertaining to granting the use of Army real property. h. The Provost Marshal General will— 1 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- (1) Monitor reporting of serious incidents, that is, walkaways, escapes, riots, disturbances, and any criminal activity by civilian inmates occurring on the installation under AR 190–40. (2) Provide policy on law enforcement operations on Army installations. i. Heads of other Army Staff and Army Secretariat agencies will provide advice, as necessary, on aspects of the Civilian Inmate Labor Program within their functional areas of responsibility. j. The Director, Headquarters, Installation Management Agency (HQ, IMA) will— (1) Ensure that their installations participating in civilian inmate labor programs comply with 18 USC 4125(a) and other applicable laws governing civilian inmate labor, Executive Order (EO) 11755, and all provisions of this regulation. (2) Review and endorse installation memoranda of agreement (MOA) and Inmate Labor Plans to establish civilian inmate labor programs and proposals to establish civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations, and forward such MOA, plans and proposals to Headquarters, Department of the Army (HQDA) for approval. (3) Review and endorse installation requests for changes to Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program policy. (4) Annually review installation civilian inmate labor programs against the key management controls listed in appendix D. k. Installation commanders will— (1) Comply with 18 USC 4125(a) and other applicable laws governing civilian inmate labor, EO 11755, and all provisions of this regulation. (2) Submit the following through command channels to Headquarters, Installation Management Activity (SFIM–PL), 2511 Jefferson Davis Highway, Taylor Building, Arlington, VA 22202–3926: (a) Memoranda of agreement and Inmate Labor Plans to establish civilian inmate labor programs. (b) Proposals to establish civilian inmate prison camps. (c) Written notification of termination of civilian inmate labor programs. (d) Revisions to existing memoranda of agreement requiring changes to Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program policy. (e) Requests for guidance on any Civilian Inmate Labor Program situation that is not addressed in this regulation. (3) Annually review their civilian inmate labor programs to determine if their programs continue to generate cost avoidance. (4) Annually review their civilian inmate labor programs against the key management controls identified in appendix D. (5) Report all contacts with State or local corrections system on possible use of civilian inmate labor, facilities, land, or installation through command channels to Headquarters, Installation Management Activity (SFIM–PL), 2511 Jefferson Davis Highway, Taylor Building, Arlington, VA 22202–3926. 1–5. Civilian inmate labor programs a. Civilian inmate labor programs benefit both the Army and corrections systems by— (1) Providing a source of labor at no direct labor cost to Army installations to accomplish tasks that would not be possible otherwise due to the manning and funding constraints under which the Army operates. (2) Providing meaningful work for inmates and, in some cases, additional space to alleviate overcrowding in nearby corrections facilities. (3) Making cost–effective use of buildings and land not otherwise being used. b. Except for the 3 exceptions listed in paragraph 2–1 d below, installation civilian inmate labor programs may use civilian inmate labor only from Federal corrections facilities located either off or on the installation. c. Keys to operating an effective civilian inmate labor program on Army installations include— (1) Establishing a comprehensive lease agreement, interservice, interagency, and/or interdepartmental support agreement (ISA), and/or memoranda of agreement with the corrections facility. (2) Developing a cooperative working relationship between installation personnel and corrections facility personnel. (3) Working closely with installation government employee labor unions to ensure union leaders understand the program and have current information on program status. (4) Training all installation personnel involved in the operation or administration of the program frequently. (5) Developing a public affairs plan informing the installation and the surrounding local community of the program and work projects assigned to civilian inmate labor. 1–6. The process Figure 1–1 diagrams the Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program process. The flowchart reads top down and left to right, starting with the decision to establish both a prison camp and an inmate labor program (the diamond–shaped box in the upper left corner of the diagram labeled “prison camp inmate labor?”). The diamond–shaped boxes are decision nodes; the rectangular boxes are steps in the process to establish a civilian inmate labor program, establish a civilian inmate 2 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- prison camp on post, or do both. Follow the arrows through the flowchart. Chapters 2 and 3 address procedures for establishing a civilian inmate labor program and/or on–post civilian inmate prison camp. Figure 1–1. Civilian Inmate Labor Program process 3 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Chapter 2 Establishing Installation Civilian Inmate Labor Programs 2–1. Policy statement a. With a few exceptions, the Army’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program is currently limited to using inmates from facilities under the control of the Federal Bureau of Prisons (FBOP). Section 4125(a), Title 18, United States Code allows the Attorney General to make available to other Federal agencies the services of Federal inmates and defines the types of services inmates can perform. The FBOP provides civilian inmate labor free of charge to the Army. b. The Army is not interested in, nor can afford, any relationship with a corrections facility if that relationship stipulates payment for civilian inmate labor. Installation civilian inmate labor program operating costs must not exceed the cost avoidance generated from using inmate labor (see para 4–3 for a discussion of cost avoidance). c. Guidelines in this regulation for establishing installation civilian inmate labor programs pertain to negotiating with Federal corrections facilities only. Currently, there is no overarching law that addresses establishing State and/or local civilian inmate labor programs on Department of Defense (DOD) military facilities when these programs use inmates from off–post corrections facilities. d. However, there are 3 exceptions to using State or local civilian inmate labor from off–post corrections facilities— (1) Section 1065, PL 103–337, allows the Army to conduct a demonstration project. This demonstration project tests the feasibility of providing prerelease employment training to nonviolent offenders in a State corrections facility. The demonstration project is limited to 3 Army installations. The 3 Army installations participating in the demonstration project may use inmates from an off–post State corrections facility. (2) Army National Guard units leasing facilities from the Army or occupying State–owned land or facilities may use inmates from an off–post State and/or local corrections facility. (3) The prohibition against use of State and/or local civilian inmate labor from off–post corrections facilities does not apply to Civil Works projects where the Army has statutory authority to accept voluntary contributions in the form of services from State or local governments. If contributed, inmate services are combined with materials or services paid for with Federally appropriated funds; the use of civilian inmate labor must also comply with the provisions of EO 11755. The use of civilian inmate labor under these exceptions must still comply with the requirements of this regulation. e. Installation commanders must address, in memoranda of agreement with the corrections facilities, all items in the governing provisions (para 2–3 below). f. Section 4125(a), Title 18, United States Code and EO 11755 are incorporated into this regulation at appendix E. 2–2. Negotiating with corrections systems representatives Installation commanders may initiate discussions with FBOP representatives concerning use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations, subject to the governing provisions listed in paragraph 2–3. Installation commanders are not authorized to negotiate with representatives of State or local corrections systems or governmental agencies regarding civilian inmate labor from off–post corrections facilities (see para 3–2). 2–3. Governing provisions The following provisions govern the Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program and must be reflected in agreements with corrections facilities concerning the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations: a. No use of land or facilities. No use of land or facilities on installations is involved in executing civilian inmate labor programs, except for designated work, latrine, eating, and vending areas. (1) Installation commanders will establish areas where inmates are prohibited from entering, and any other restrictions that are deemed necessary. These areas will be outlined in the memoranda of agreement between the installation and the corrections facility. The intent is to preclude fraternization between inmates and civilians, military personnel and/or, family members and to ensure their safety at all times. Army policy on prohibited areas is to restrict inmates to the on–post civilian inmate prison camp (where applicable), work areas, latrines, and vending machine areas. (2) Inmates will not enter or work in or near family housing areas at any time. (3) Inmates will not work in day care centers, youth services and/or school–age service centers, schools, recreation centers, and/or libraries, or similar facilities, except when these facilities are closed to the public, or when the likelihood of inmate contact with the general military community or family members is remote. (4) Inmates will not work in areas where medical supplies (drugs, syringes, and so forth) are stored unless the medical supplies are secured and the inmates are under constant view by Army personnel. (5) Inmates will not work in areas where firearms and/or ammunition are sold or stored, nor in areas where alcoholic beverages are sold, stored, or served. b. Nominal costs. The program must be without direct labor cost (for inmate labor itself) or expense to the 4 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Department of the Army except for nominal costs for equipment, materials, and supplies used in inmate labor details, program administration, telephone calls to corrections facilities, lunch time meals, transporting inmates to and from corrections facilities, and other similar costs addressed in paragraph 4–3, below. Inmates participating in the program will not be recompensed from Department of Army appropriated or nonappropriated funds. (1) Inmates are not Department of the Army employees and are not regarded as such. Inmates must not be referred to as employees. They will not be paid from Department of the Army funds, nor receive any personal or private gratuity for work accomplished or services rendered. Interservice, interagency, or interdepartmental support agreements and/or memoranda of agreement with the corrections facility must not create any appearance of employment of inmates. (2) Installation commanders have authority to determine and absorb nominal costs associated with their civilian inmate labor programs. Nominal costs are minor costs incidental to civilian inmate labor program operations. Nominal costs may be costs for equipment, materials, and supplies used in inmate labor details, program administration, telephone calls to corrections facilities, lunch time meals, transporting inmates to and from corrections facilities, and other similar costs addressed in paragraph 4–3, below. Installations may absorb nominal costs associated with their program on a nonreimbursable basis. However, installation commanders will not reimburse the corrections facility for inmate labor, either as payment of funds or establishing credits in memoranda of agreement or ISAs as payment for inmate labor. (3) Inmates are not allowed to operate Army vehicles or equipment unless they possess the necessary valid operator’s licenses, have been given proper training in vehicle operation and safety by Army personnel in accordance with AR 600–55, and are authorized to operate the vehicle or equipment by both the installation and the corrections facility. (4) Operation of Army vehicles by inmates is permitted only when absolutely necessary for completion of work. Inmates will not be permitted to operate vehicles unless in a secured area or under direct observation of installation or corrections facility personnel. Training to operate Army unique vehicles and/or equipment should be provided by the Army. (5) No personal vehicles will be used to transport inmates to and/or from corrections facilities, or to and/or from work sites. (6) Enforcement of inventory, control, issuance, and return of hand tools and equipment provided for inmate labor details must be controlled by installation plans and/or standing procedures. c. Services provided to installations. Services provided to the installation must be in accordance with 18 USC 4125(a). Such services are constructing or repairing roads; clearing, maintaining, or reforesting public land; building levees; or constructing or repairing any other public way or works financed wholly or in major part by funds a p p r o p r i a t e d b y C o n g r e s s . I n m a t e s m a y p e r f o r m c u s t o d i a l t a s k s , b u i l d i n g d e m o l i t i o n , d e b r i s r e m o v a l , m o w i n g , landscaping, painting, carpentry, trash pickup, transporting debris to and from recycling centers, and other similar activities. No other services are allowed by law. d. Work performed. Work performed by inmates will not interfere nor conflict with approved projects for which resources have been allocated and funds made available for performance by contract or Army civilian labor force, or with work which can be accomplished within authorized personnel ceilings. The Civilian Inmate Labor Program was created to provide installation commanders with an alternate labor source to perform valid requirements. Civilian inmate labor does not compete with existing in–house or contractor resources. e. Participants. Only inmates classified as minimum level security will participate in the Civilian Inmate Labor Program. Minimum level security inmates do not need constant guard. Corrections facilities will be responsible for ensuring that only minimum level security inmates participate in the inmate labor program and for selecting inmate participants. (1) Memoranda of agreement with the corrections facility will state that the installation commander will direct the removal of any inmate deemed undesirable or detrimental in any way to the mission, soldiers, family members, or civilian employees of the installation. (2) Under no circumstances will the following types of inmates be permitted in the Civilian Inmate Labor Program: (a) A person in whom there is a significant public interest as determined by the corrections facility superintendent in coordination with the installation commander. (b) A person who has been a significant management problem in their current corrections facility or in another facility. (c) A principal organized crime figure. (d) An inmate convicted of a sex offense or whose criminal history includes such conduct. (e) An inmate convicted of a violent crime or whose criminal history includes such conduct. (f) An inmate convicted of the sale or intent to distribute illegal drugs who held a leadership position in any drug conspiracy, or has been involved with drugs within the last 3 years while in prison. (g) An escape risk. (h) An inmate who poses a threat to the general public as determined by the corrections facility superintendent in coordination with the installation commander. 5 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- (i) An inmate declared or found insane or mentally incompetent by a court, administrative proceeding, or physician, or under treatment for a mental disease or disorder. (j) An inmate convicted of arson. (k) A Federal inmate convicted while on active duty, presently serving a sentence for that conviction. f. Army personnel. Department of the Army personnel will not be involved with custodial aspects of inmate labor details. (a) The Warden and/or Administrator of the local corrections facility is charged with the responsibility and accountability for the control and custody of inmates on labor details at all times. Any use of Army military or civilian personnel to guard, control, discipline, or otherwise exercise custodial supervision is prohibited. (b) Army military or civilian personnel may oversee the work to be performed by inmates or inmate labor details. Oversight is defined as telling inmates what they must do by specifying work to be accomplished. This oversight includes training inmates in performing assigned work, using special equipment, and safety precautions. Oversight also includes showing inmates the location of the work site and performing quality assurance inspections of inmate work to determine if the work performed meets quality, quantity, and timeliness specifications. Oversight may also include requiring inmates to sign time cards at intervals established by the Warden and/or Administrator of the local corrections facility. If an inmate cannot be located to sign a time card or is otherwise found missing from an assigned work area, Army personnel will immediately notify the local corrections facility point of contact staff supervisor and the installation military police. g. Property damage. Generally, any interference with or damage to property under control of the Department of the Army, incident to the execution of inmate labor details, will be promptly corrected by the corrections facility as directed by the installation commander. However, the installation commander has the prerogative to decide first to thoroughly investigate the incident prior to directing the corrections facility to correct the situation; if the installation commander opts to first investigate the incident, both Army and corrections facility personnel will participate in the investigation. If it is determined that the damage or interference resulting in a loss was caused by an inmate or corrections personnel, both the installation commander and the corrections facility superintendent will be briefed on the findings, and the installation commander may— (1) Request the corrections facility to promptly correct the situation. (2) Direct that the inmate and/or corrections personnel be removed from the installation. (3) Direct that the program with the corrections facility be discontinued. (4) Decide on any combination of these options. This does not include damages, breakage, or breakdowns occurring to equipment or other property due to normal use, or poor and/or unsafe operational condition. (a) All memoranda of agreement with the corrections facility must contain a clause addressing how property damage and/or interference will be redressed. An example of this clause is included at appendix B, paragraph 5e. The aforementioned clause has been used successfully in memoranda of agreement with the FBOP. It is offered as suggested terminology. There is no specific requirement that the corrections facility be held automatically responsible for any loss or damage; this should be resolved on a case by case basis by the installation commander. (b) Investigations may be conducted through AR 15–6 procedures or a report of survey. h. Operation. The Civilian Inmate Labor Program will operate in such a manner that it will not interfere with the operation and/or mission of the installation as determined by the installation commander. i. Safety. Inmate accident compensation procedures set forth at Section 301, Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations (28 CFR 301) apply to all work performed by FBOP inmates. However, installation commanders should check with their legal advisor to determine potential liability for injuries, accidents, or deaths caused by FBOP inmates or corrections facility personnel. (1) Corrections facilities have their own safety program and will generally provide safety training to all civilian inmates participating in the inmate labor program. Installations may provide safety equipment; for example, shoes, goggles, hard hats, and so forth or negotiate this with the corrections facility. Installations providing this equipment will ensure that the equipment is in safe and serviceable condition. (2) Installation personnel will provide safety training to inmates and inmate labor details and corrections facility personnel specific to the type of work being performed. Such safety training will also cover accident and/or hazardous working conditions reporting. Installations should provide any required special protective equipment, materials, tools, and supplies in safe and serviceable condition. (3) Inmate training must include safety instruction as required by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) in 29 CFR 1910 which establishes specific training requirements and places the responsibility for such safety training on the employer (the corrections facility). Inmates will report for work details with this OSHA required training already completed. (4) Inmates will not be assigned work which is inherently dangerous, or of high risk; for example, hazardous materials cleanup, firefighting, and so forth. j. Emergency medical care. The Army will provide emergency medical care and first aid. In the event of an on–post life threatening situation, the local military hospital will respond with emergency medical service, or the installation will provide transportation to the nearest available hospital. The corrections facility will be promptly notified of such 6 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- medical emergencies and/or serious illnesses. The corrections facility will reimburse the Army for all emergency care costs incurred on behalf of the civilian inmates and/or corrections facility personnel. The corrections facility will provide routine medical care for civilian inmates. k. Security. The corrections facility retains control and custody of the civilian inmates at all times. In addition to defining areas off limits to inmates, installations should consult with and incorporate corrections facility security requirements into their memoranda of agreement. For example, the FBOP does not allow inmates to have access to or use installation phone lines, fax machines, computers and/or computer systems, nor to accept a gratuity of any kind at any time. Also, inmates will not be used in areas where classified information, personnel records, medical records, or other confidential or sensitive data is discussed or is in plain view. Inmates working in areas where such information is locked or secured will be under constant view by Army personnel. l. Training of Army personnel. The corrections facility will provide training and indoctrination to all Army personnel who will oversee inmate work. Training will cover inmate discipline, staff conduct, inmate accountability, and corrections facility safety program. This training is mandatory. This training will be provided at no cost to the Army and at least on an annual basis. m. Public affairs. Installations will develop a public affairs plan that informs the installation and the surrounding local community of the program and work projects assigned to civilian inmate labor. This will largely mitigate potential negative repercussions from using and having inmates present on the installation. Press releases involving inmates will be issued only by the corrections facility, in coordination with the installation public affairs office, as corrections facility officials are responsible for protecting the privacy and other rights of inmates. Press releases regarding the civilian inmate labor program should be coordinated with the corrections facility superintendent. One copy of the press release will be routed through command channels to HQDA, Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management, Plans and Operations Division (DAIMMD), and HQDA, Office of the Chief of Public Affairs, Public Communications Division (SAPAPCD). Press releases do not require HQDA approval prior to release. (1) Media representatives should not be allowed to interview inmates nor take photographs of inmates without the corrections facility’s and installation public affairs office specific approval. (2) Requests for interviews or photographs of inmates should be referred to the corrections facility superintendent and the installation public affairs office. 2–4. Procedures for establishing installation civilian inmate labor programs Procedures for establishing installation civilian inmate labor programs apply to both off–post corrections facilities and on–post civilian inmate prison camps. a. Upon finalizing negotiations with the corrections facility, the installation commander and corrections facility superintendent will prepare a proposed memorandum of agreement, using the format at appendix B, covering all aspects of the Civilian Inmate Labor Program under consideration. This agreement will include, but is not limited to, the governing provisions in paragraph 2–3, above. In addition, the memoranda of agreement must include provisions for reporting serious incidents and negative media coverage, addressed in paragraphs 4–1 and 4–2, and the projected cost avoidance from using civilian inmates addressed in paragraph 4–3, below. b. Installations will prepare an Inmate Labor Plan governing administration and operation of the inmate labor program on the installation. This plan will include, but is not limited to, procedures for assigning inmate labor details, oversight and/or monitoring responsibilities, procedures for requesting inmate labor details, training of personnel involved with the program, required security and/or safety measures, environmental considerations, and any installation reporting requirements. Inmate Labor Plan format is determined locally. c. Memoranda of agreement and/or Inmate Labor Plans will be reviewed as needed by the installation commander and corrections facility superintendent to incorporate changes in Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program policy and other factors affecting the terms and conditions of these documents. d. The installation Staff Judge Advocate (SJA) will review the memoranda of agreement and Inmate Labor Plan for legal sufficiency and to ensure that inmates will not be performing functions contrary to law. Other installation functional proponents will review the memoranda of agreement and Inmate Labor Plan from a functional perspective. e. Installation civilian personnel offices will inform installation Government employee labor unions of proposals to use civilian inmates and comply with any bargaining obligation under 5 USC 7101 et. seq. (Federal Labor Management Relations Statute). f. Requests to establish civilian inmate labor programs will be submitted through command channels to Headquarters, Installation Management Activity (SFIM–PL), 2511 Jefferson Davis Highway, Taylor Building, Arlington, VA 22202–3926. Requests must include HQ, IMA endorsement and copies of the proposed memoranda of agreement and Inmate Labor Plan. The HQ, IMA endorsement includes an SJA review of the memoranda of agreement and Inmate Labor Plan for legal sufficiency. Other HQ, IMA functional proponents will review the memoranda of agreement and Inmate Labor Plan from a functional perspective. g. Installations will not implement civilian inmate labor programs, nor incorporate revisions to existing memoranda of agreement and/or Inmate Labor Plans requiring changes to Army Civilian Inmate Labor Program policy without 7 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- HQDA approval. Appendix B contains the format for installation memoranda of agreement; appendix C contains a sample Inmate Labor Plan. Chapter 3 Establishing Civilian Inmate Prison Camps on Army Installations 3–1. Policy statement It is not Army policy to solicit offers from correctional systems to establish civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations. Nevertheless, the Army recognizes that these correctional systems may approach installations to lease land on which to build corrections facilities, or to lease unoccupied facilities. The Army will evaluate requests to establish civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations on a case by case basis. These prison camps will house minimum and low security inmates, as determined by the correctional systems. However, the Army’s primary purpose for allowing establishment of prison camps on Army installations is to use the resident nonviolent civilian inmate labor pool to work on the leased portions of the installation. 3–2. Negotiating with correctional systems representatives to establish prison camps Installation commanders will not initiate formal discussions with correctional systems representatives to establish civilian inmate prison camps on their installations. Installation commanders are not authorized to negotiate with these representatives without first obtaining HQDA approval to proceed. Once approval is granted, installation commanders may enter into negotiations, subject to the provisions of this chapter. a. Establishing civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations is separate from establishing civilian inmate labor programs, as discussed in chapter 2 above. Establishing civilian inmate prison camps does not automatically institute a civilian inmate labor program. Procedures for establishing civilian inmate labor programs, incident to establishing civilian inmate prison camps, still apply. b. As noted in paragraph 2–1, above, civilian inmate labor programs are limited to use of inmates under the control of the FBOP. Accordingly, establishment of a State civilian inmate prison camp under a lease pursuant to 10 USC 2667 does not permit the creation of a civilian inmate labor program. c. Section 1342, Title 31, United States Code precludes the United States Government from accepting voluntary services unless specifically allowed by statute. The Army has determined that accepting inmate labor with no associated cost for inmate labor is equivalent to accepting voluntary services from corrections facilities. This precludes using State and local civilian inmates from off–post corrections facilities. However, inmate labor programs using State and local civilian inmates from on–post prison camps is allowed. Section 2667, Title 10, United States Code governing leases of DOD property allows acceptance of inmate labor as payment in kind for real property leased to correctional systems for use as prison camps in an amount equivalent to the fair market value of the lease interest; however, such labor is limited to maintenance, protection, repair, improvement, and restoration activities on the leased facilities. 3–3. Governing criteria civilian inmate prison camps The following criteria apply to establishing civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations: a. Since the correctional system has full responsibility and authority over the use and occupation of the civilian inmate prison camp, all claims for property damage or personal injury arising therein are the responsibility of the correctional system, not the Army. b. The installation commander and HQ, IMA must assess the impacts that the prison and prison population will have on the installation, military mission, and installation population. At a minimum, the installation commander must consider mission security, possible impacts on military families living on–post, and community concerns. c. Prison facility sites should be separated from the general installation population to the maximum extent possible. At a minimum, prison facilities should not be located in close proximity to family housing, dormitories, or community support facilities. d. Prison facilities should not be located in close proximity to critical mission areas where surveillance of activities could become a source of intelligence data. e. Location of prison facilities should be in keeping with the requirements and objectives of installation comprehensive planning concepts and environmental considerations at the individual installation. f. Civilian inmate prison camps will not be collocated with military confinement facilities. g. Using installation facilities is acceptable when buildings are scheduled for demolition, or are not needed for current or programmed mission requirements and can be rehabilitated. h. The correctional system will provide the primary source of funding for establishing, operating, and maintaining prison facilities. i. Support and services provided between the Army installation and a Federal civilian inmate prison camp will be delineated in a formal ISA in accordance with Department of Defense Instruction (DODI) 4000.19. There should be no 8 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- need for any reimbursement policy where State corrections facilities are concerned because the cost of doing business with a State corrections facility should be factored into the lease agreement. j. Correctional systems’ use of Army real property will be in accordance with AR 405–80. k. AR 42041 establishes policy, responsibility, and procedures for acquisition and sale of utility services. A separate contract form is required for use in the sale of utilities and related services. 3–4. Governing provisions for operating civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations Civilian inmate prison camps on Army installations are subject to the following provisions: a. No weapons other than those authorized for the security of the civilian inmate prison camp and public protection will be permitted on prison camp premises. Storage, possession, control, and use of such weapons will be in accordance with corrections facility policy and procedures. b. No alcohol or controlled substances other than those under the control and supervision of the corrections facility medical personnel will be permitted on civilian inmate prison camp premises. Storage, possession, control, dispensing, and use of such drugs will be in accordance with corrections facility policy and procedures. c. The corrections facility must have a comprehensive written security plan; a contingency plan for handling walkaways, escapes, riots, serious incidents, job actions or strikes, and any other disruption; and a plan designed to ensure that adequate medical, sanitation, recreational, and other humanitarian services are provided for the inmates housed at the civilian inmate prison camp. These plans will be made available to the installation commander. d. Army personnel will not be involved in quelling or suppressing riots, disorders, and similar incidents within civilian inmate prison camp premises. Military police may not respond to or investigate incidents which occur within the civilian inmate prison camp and involve inmates or correctional facilities personnel, unless the installation commander determines that such action is reasonably necessary to protect personnel, equipment, or facilities under his or her control. They may gather information to fulfill AR 190–40 reporting requirements. Military police may take immediate action to save life or property or protect a Federal function. They may detain and restrain walkaways, escapees, and persons who commit a felony or breach of peace in their presence. However, inmates detained by military police will be turned over to civilian authorities as soon as possible. Military police will continue to perform military law enforcement duties to maintain good order and discipline on the installation, such as patrolling and criminal investigation of incidents occurring outside the prison camp, even if these activities indirectly enhance the camp’s security. e. Civilian inmate prison camp personnel must request approval from the installation commander before using riot control agents or deadly force to quell prison riots, disorders, or other incidents. f. Army personnel will not be involved in any manner with civilian inmate prison camp operations, except as otherwise specified in paragraph 3–4d, above. 3–5. Procedures for establishing a civilian inmate prison camp on Army installations The following procedures apply to establishing a civilian inmate prison camp on Army installations. These procedures are separate from those procedures discussed in chapter 2 above for establishing a civilian inmate labor program. Installations desiring to both establish a civilian inmate prison camp and an inmate labor program must follow the procedures outlined in chapters 2 and 3 of this regulation. Establishment of a civilian inmate prison camp does not automatically establish a civilian inmate labor program. Separate documents must be executed for each action, as outlined below. However, as noted in paragraph 2–1, above, civilian inmate labor programs are limited to use of inmates under the control of the FBOP. Establishment of a State civilian inmate prison camp under a lease pursuant to 10 USC 2667 does not permit the creation of a civilian inmate labor program. a. Installations will submit a proposal to establish a civilian inmate prison camp through command channels to HQDA, Assistant Chief of Staff for Installation Management, Plans and Operations Division (DAIM–MD), 600 Army Pentagon, Washington, DC 20310–0600. The proposal must be signed by the installation commander, be endorsed by the chain of command at all levels, and address the following areas: (1) Proposed civilian inmate prison campsite, intended use for existing buildings, planned renovations, or new construction. Include a site drawing of the planned area. (2) Proposed number of inmates to be housed and security level of inmates. (3) Proposed number of inmates to be used in work details, if applicable. (4) Economic analysis of the cost and/or benefits of establishing a civilian inmate prison camp. The analysis must include all the costs of providing all utility needs, such as water supply, wastewater treatment, stormwater, solid waste management, electricity, and central steam or hot water. The analysis must also describe the planned method of reimbursing the Army for these costs and how a transfer of funds from the corrections facility to the Army will be effected. (5) Synopsis of the correctional system’s request to establish a civilian inmate prison camp. (6) Compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act, the Stewart B. McKinney Homeless Assistance Act, and any successor legislation. 9 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- (7) Local community reaction, including family member reaction to establishing a civilian inmate prison camp on the installation. ( Summary of the benefits the Army will derive from establishing a civilian inmate prison camp. Address the services the Army will provide the prison camp and the services the prison camp will provide the Army in return. However, keep in mind that for State civilian inmate prison camps established pursuant to a lease under 10 USC 2667, the services that the prison camp may provide to the Army are limited to maintenance, protection, restoration, repair, and improvement of the leased facilities. (9) Risk assessment regarding the facilities proposed for outgranting. Address the viability of establishing a civilian inmate prison camp. (10) Correctional system security plan for the civilian inmate prison camp. (11) Proposed length of time of agreements (ISAs and lease and/or permit). (12) Report of availability of real property and/or facilities proposed for outgranting. b. Upon receiving HQDA approval, installations may request the Corps of Engineers district office to proceed with preparing the appropriate outgrant document with the correctional system for the right to use Army real property and facilities, and, for Federal civilian inmate prison camps, prepare a permit and an ISA delineating the services to be rendered by the civilian inmate prison camp and the support required from the installation. One copy of the outgrant document and the ISA, where applicable, will be forwarded through command channels to HQ, IMA (SFIM–PL). c. For Federal civilian inmate prison camps, the outgrant document will reference the ISA governing services the installation will provide the prison camp, and the services the prison camp will provide the installation, if applicable, under the memoranda of agreement establishing an installation civilian inmate labor program. The outgrant document by itself does not establish a civilian inmate labor program. A separate memoranda of agreement with the corrections facility is still required. All outgrants of Army real property will be prepared in accordance with AR 405–80. d. Installations intending to establish a civilian inmate labor program using inmates to be housed in the on–post prison camp will follow the procedures outlined in chapter 2 above. 3–6. Interservice, interagency, or interdepartmental support agreements The ISAs documents the services installations will provide the Federal civilian inmate prison camp and the services the prison camp will provide the installation, in return. The ISAs will be prepared in accordance with DODI 4000.19 and AR 37–49 and will cover the same period as the outgrant document. The ISAs are subject to annual review to examine current costs and determine next year project assignments. Installation commanders have the authority to negotiate and approve ISAs locally. Executing an ISA does not establish a civilian inmate labor program. A separate memoranda of agreement with the corrections facility is still required in accordance with the procedures delineated in chapter 2 above. a. Utility sales contracts and memoranda of agreement establishing civilian inmate labor programs using inmates from the on–post Federal civilian inmate prison are attachments to the ISAs. b. The ISAs will require the Federal civilian inmate prison camp to have a mutually acceptable utility and/or energy conservation program and an environmental management plan. The prison camp will provide assurance that it is resourced to carry out these provisions. c. No credits for inmate labor will be given to offset support services provided to the Federal civilian inmate prison camp. Chapter 4 Reporting and Recordkeeping 4–1. Incident reports Serious incidents, that is, walkaways, escapes, riots, disturbances, and any criminal action involving inmates participating in the civilian inmate labor program and/or occurring in onpost civilian inmate prison camps will be reported in accordance with AR 190–40. One copy of incident reports will be provided to HQ, IMA (SFIM–PL), and HQDA, Office of the Chief of Public Affairs, Public Communications Division (SAPA–PCD). Accidents involving inmates will be investigated and reported in accordance with AR 385–40. 4–2. Media coverage Any media coverage involving inmates participating in the Civilian Inmate Labor Program, or involving onpost civilian inmate prison camps, will be reported through command channels to HQ, IMA (SFIMPL), and HQDA, Office of the Chief of Public Affairs, Public Communications Division (SAPA–PCD). Report media source (newspaper, magazine, radio, television), name of media source (and radio and/or television channel), date of coverage, synopsis of report, and whether the report had local, regional, or national coverage. Provide copies of the article and/or script, if available. 10 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- 4–3. Recordkeeping Installations will maintain records of their civilian inmate labor programs. These records will be used in higher headquarters efforts to assess program utility and assess the effectiveness of key management controls identified in appendix D. The management and final disposition of all civilian inmate labor programs and civilian inmate prison camp records will comply with AR 25–400–2. Recordkeeping will cover the following topics: a. For civilian inmate labor programs— (1) Summary listing of all work projects employing civilian inmates, including project duration, number of civilian inmates used on the project, number of corrections facility personnel supervising work details assigned to each project, and number of Army military and civilian personnel engaged in oversight activities per project. (2) Cost avoidance generated from civilian inmate labor. Cost avoidance is based on determining the dollar value of inmate labor by equating inmate work performed to the dollar value and costs of similar work if performed by authorized and funded positions, or by contract. Cost avoidance must be calculated using the following equation: Cost avoidance=Dollar value of civilian labor (including fringe benefits, monitoring, and overhead) and/or contracts for functions inmates now perform (including overtime) minus Cost of equipment, materials, and supplies furnished to inmate labor details minus Costs of transporting inmates to and from corrections facility (as applicable) minus Inmate meal costs (if provided) minus Program administration costs minus Any other costs associated with the civilian inmate labor program. (3) Synopsis of special incidents and/or military police (MP) reports involving civilian inmate labor. This includes significant events and anticipated problems. (4) Media inquiries and responses provided. (5) Synopsis of any complaints and/or concerns from the surrounding off–post community and family members regarding inmate labor, together with any action taken to resolve the complaint. (6) Borrowed military manpower returned to duty resulting from inmate labor. b. For civilian inmate prison camps— (1) Monthly average daily population for the facility. (2) Any Right of Entry violations and corrective measures taken. (3) Direct and reimbursable obligations for support provided to the civilian inmate prison camp, to allow for analysis of spending trends. (4) Synopsis of any complaints and/or concerns from the surrounding off–post community and family members regarding the civilian inmate prison camp, together with any action taken to resolve the complaint. (5) Synopsis of special incidents and/or MP reports involving the civilian inmate prison camp. This includes significant events and anticipated problems. (6) Media inquiries and responses provided. 11 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Appendix A References Section I Required Publications AR 11–2 Management Controls. (Cited in para 1–4e(4).) AR 15–6 Procedures for Investigating Officers and Boards of Officers. (Cited in para 2–3 g(4)(b).) AR 37–49 Budgeting, Funding, and Reimbursement for Base Operations Support of Army Activities. (Cited in para 3–6.) AR 190–40 Serious Incident Report. (Cited in paras 1–4 h(1), 3–4d, 4–1, and D–4c(5).) AR 385–40 Accident Reporting and Records. (Cited in para 4–1.) AR 405–80 Management of Title and Granting Use of Real Property. (Cited in paras 3–3 j and 3–5c.) AR 420–41 Acquisition and Sales of Utilities Services. (Cited in paras 3–3 k.) AR 600–55 The Army Driver and Operator Standardization Program (Selection, Training, Testing and Licensing). (Cited in para 2–3b(3).) 5 USC 7101 et. seq. Federal Labor Management Relations Statute. (Cited in para 2–4 e.) 10 USC 2667 Leases, NonExcess Property of Military Departments. (Cited in paras 1–1, 3–2 b, 3–2c, 3–5a( .) 18 USC 4125(a) Public Works; Prison Camps. (Cited in paras 1–4j(1), 1–4k(1), 2–1a, 2–1f, and 2–3c.) 28 CFR 301 Inmate Accident Compensation. (Cited in para 2–3i.) 29 CFR 1910 Occupational Safety and Health Standards. (Cited in para 2–3 i(3).) 31 USC 1342 Limitation on Voluntary Services. (Cited in para 3–2 c.) DODI 4000.19 Interservice, Interdepartmental, and Interagency Support. (Cited in paras 3–3 i and 3–6.) Executive Order 11755 Prison Labor. (Cited in paras 1–4j(1), 1–4k(1), 2–1d(3), and 2–1f.) PL 103–337, Section 1065 Demonstration Project for Use of Army Installations to Provide Prerelease Employment Training to Nonviolent Offenders in State Penal Systems. (Cited in paras 1–1 and 2–1 d(1).) 12 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Section II Related Publications A related publication is a source of additional information. The user does not have to read it to understand this publication. Army regulations and pamphlets are available on the Army Publishing Directorate’s Web site at http:// www.apd.army.mil. AR 5–9 Area Support Responsibilities AR 5–20 Commercial Activities Program AR 25–400–2 The Army Records Information Management System (ARIMS) AR 190–47 The U.S. Army Correctional System 18 USC Chapter 303 Bureau of Prisons (Available at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/USCODE/INDEX.HTML.) 18 USC Chapter 305 Commitment and Transfer (Available at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/USCODE/INDEX.HTML.) 18 USC Chapter 1385 Posse Comitatus Act (Available at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/USCODE/INDEX.HTML.) 28 USC 1346(b), 2671–2680 Federal Tort Claims Act (Available at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/USCODE/INDEX.HTML.) DODD 5525.5 DOD Cooperation with Civilian Law Enforcement Officials (Available at http://www.dtic.whs/directives.) FAR, Part 22.201 Convict Labor (Available at http://www.arnet.gov.far/.) Section III Prescribed Forms This section contains no entries. Section IV Referenced Forms DA Form 11–2–R Management Control Evaluation Certification Statement (Available at http://www.apd.army.mil.) Appendix B Memorandum of Agreement Format This memorandum of agreement (MOA) format addresses agreements between Army organizations and Federal corrections facilities under the control of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Prisons (FBOP) and is the template for developing such agreements. This MOA format contains all required clauses for compliance with Army policy on using civilian inmates. This MOA format may be modified to accommodate State/local civilian inmate use authorized under the exceptions cited in paragraph 2–1d of this regulation. Users of this template should make the appropriate substitutions indicated in bold print and bounded by parenthesis to tailor this template for their own use. 13 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure B–1. Sample format for a memorandum of agreement 14 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure B–1. Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued 15 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure B–1. Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued 16 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure B–1. Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued 17 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure B–1. Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued 18 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure B–1. Sample format for a memorandum of agreement—continued Appendix C Sample Inmate Labor Plan This sample Inmate Labor Plan may be used as a template to develop user Inmate Labor Plans. This sample Inmate Labor Plan contains all required clauses for compliance with Army policy on using civilian inmates. Users of this template should make the appropriate substitutions indicated in bold print and bounded by parenthesis to tailor this template for their own use. User Inmate Labor Plans may be a regulation, letter of instruction, policy memorandum, or other document of the user’s choice. 19 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure C–1. Sample Inmate Labor Plan—continued 20 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure C–1. Sample Inmate Labor Plan—continued 21 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Figure C–1. Sample Inmate Labor Plan—continued 22 AR 210–35  14 January 2005 ----------------------------------------------- Appendix D Management Control Evaluation Checklist D–1. Function The function covered by this checklist is the administration of the Army’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program, which is currently limited to using inmates from facilities under the control of the Federal Bureau of Prisons. D–2. Purpose The purpose of this checklist is to assist HQDA, HQ, IMA, and installation program administrators in evaluating the key management controls outlined below. It is not intended to cover all controls. D–3. Instructions Answers must be based on the actual testing of key management controls (for example, document analysis, direct observation, sampling, simulation, other). Answers that indicate deficiencies must be explained and corrective action indicated in supporting documentation. These key management controls must be formally evaluated annually. Certification that this evaluation has

112 Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77 News Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott, New America Media, Feb 08, 2006 Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says. BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities." The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when. To date, some newspapers have worried that open-ended provisions in the contract could lead to cost overruns, such as have occurred with KBR in Iraq. A Homeland Security spokesperson has responded that this is a "contingency contract" and that conceivably no centers might be built. But almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law. For those who follow covert government operations abroad and at home, the contract evoked ominous memories of Oliver North's controversial Rex-84 "readiness exercise" in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary "refugees," in the context of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States. North's activities raised civil liberties concerns in both Congress and the Justice Department. The concerns persist. "Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters," says Daniel Ellsberg, a former military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of its activities in Vietnam. "They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo." Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants. As Alonzo Chardy reported in the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987, an executive order for continuity of government (COG) had been drafted in 1982 by FEMA head Louis Giuffrida. The order called for "suspension of the Constitution" and "declaration of martial law." The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a memo by Giuffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff. In 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 188, one of a series of directives that authorized continued planning for COG by a private parallel government. Two books, James Mann's "Rise of the Vulcans" and James Bamford's "A Pretext for War," have revealed that in the 1980s this parallel structure, operating outside normal government channels, included the then-head of G. D. Searle and Co., Donald Rumsfeld, and then-Congressman from Wyoming Dick Cheney. After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets. One month later John Brinkerhoff, the author of the 1982 FEMA memo, published an article arguing for the legality of using U.S. troops for purposes of domestic security. Then in April 2002, Defense Dept. officials implemented a plan for domestic U.S. military operations by creating a new U.S. Northern Command (CINC-NORTHCOM) for the continental United States. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called this "the most sweeping set of changes since the unified command system was set up in 1946." The NORTHCOM commander, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced, is responsible for "homeland defense and also serves as head of the North American A-e-rospace Defense Command (NORAD).... He will command U.S. forces that operate within the United States in support of civil authorities. The command will provide civil support not only in response to attacks, but for natural disasters." John Brinkerhoff later commented on PBS that, "The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war." Then in response to Hurricane Katrina in Sept. 2005, according to the Washington Post, White House senior adviser Karl Rove told the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, that she should explore legal options to impose martial law "or as close as we can get." The White House tried vigorously, but ultimately failed, to compel Gov. Blanco to yield control of the state National Guard. Also in September, NORTHCOM conducted its highly classified Granite Shadow exercise in Washington. As William Arkin reported in the Washington Post, "Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military's extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control." It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law. Many critics have alleged that FEMA's spectacular failure to respond to Katrina followed from a deliberate White House policy: of paring back FEMA, and instead strengthening the military for responses to disasters. A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.

113 "To imply that the CIA is "controlling" Ms. Carroll's kidnappers to drum up waning support for the war is absurd. Common sense dictates that this provides more fodder for the opposition to the war than anything." If it were known, to the public, that elements within the intelligence community (including but not limited to those embedded in the CIA) were the ones behind her kidnapping (and most if not all of the other kidnappings as well) then yes it would galvanize public opposition. They pretend to be Al Queda however, because the object is to gain support 'for' the war. It is called the making of the enemy. The kidnappings also always take place when support for the war begins to wane. Now just whose timing would that be? Not Al Queda's certainly, because it runs counter to their agenda, of undermining support for the war. "Hence my remark, is this the incredibly stupid CIA or the fantastically smart CIA?" Could it be that the so called "stupid CIA" mistakes, regarding pre Iraq War intelligence, were really careful manipulations of public opinion? Once again, to garner public support, 'for' the war NOT against it. Could it be that really, the whole "oops we messed up sorry our bad" bull shit, is an exercise in plausible deniability also? The CIA knew Iraq had no WMD, and so did Bush. They lied. Perfect timing really, since a director already planning on retirement, could also "be a big man" about admitting "the mistakes" which happened on his watch. But Bushco Haliburton Inc and the rest of the CFR global corporate alliance get their war. For them, it is all about the objective, by whatever means necessary. Once again. Why in the hell would Al Queda kidnap sympathetic journalists and peace activists? They are too stupid to know how bad that makes them look? WHAT WHAT WHAT! These supposed geniuses who pulled off 911 right in NORAD's face, being also so elusive and magically effective, that they remain a huge threat to the whole planet?! Please use your head for a change. Drop the partisan crap and the hurt feelings. Take an objective look at what really is. It was some body else doing the kidnapping and executions, and the actual perps being Al CIAda figured, what the hell, we can erase this nosy enemy/sympathetic journalist 'and' those pain in the ass Christian peace activists, at the same time. I am not saying these things were done openly by the legit CIA, but rather by embeds within the Agency, and other operators of oh, say, ONI, NSA and lessor known hard/black foreign allied subintel groups, not to mention mercenary KGB left overs, who are part of shall we say a "wider agenda". I do not for one moment assume the CIA to be "stupid", and neither do I presume them to square straight and decent boy scouts either.

114 Oh my God. You Nerds are going berzerk. So far I've said girls are dumb and you guys are on State Department Reports. Let's go this way because I'm giving up here. Did the CIA sell crack to inner city minorities to fund the CONTRAS? Anyone?...............Anyone?............ Beuller?.................Beulller?............ Natasha?..............Natasha?........... Anyone here have frickin sharks with frickin laser beams mounted to their frickin heads? Oh and Natasha any allegations of CIA boy scout molestations?

115 Honestly, Jill should have chosen her "friends" more carefully.

116 I dont thinl she's coming home if shes even still alive

117 When they bring Jill's body back how will they identify the it since she'll have on the low rider bell bottoms, tramp stamp tattoo on the lower back, pierced navel, hair parted down the middle, the big chunky shoes and the high cut t-shirt just like all the other dumb girls?

118 Jill's not coming back, guys. She may have become part of a CIA mind control plot. Super sekrit note to self: try to score with natasha-she's probably like pretty hot and stuff. I'm glad I've still got my inner monologue. Muwahahahahahahah!

1 A number from 2 to 9, no questions, I'll check tomorrow.

2 Apparently she didn't get the memo - these people are crazy fanatics who accept the most ruthless indiscrimate violence directed at innocent men, women and children as completely legitimate - and anyone not with them are either infidels or heretics. I guess she wants to understand them. good luck.

3 If she's a euro-commie, she'll live. They're on the same side.

4 Anti-American - yes. But the left walks a strange fineline with radical islamic fundamentalists. Beyond the first line they have nothing in common, except suppressed hatred and fear. One day, it will blow up in their faces - what is apparent is the left's fear and willingness to be intimidated by it. In an odd way - being anti-American is safe.

5 Note - typically the MSM and leftists would be tripping all over themselves to physically embrace and interview these guys - but this is not the case. They will do it only from afar - less the make a mistake like her.

6 It's extra-special news when a *female* journalist gets kidnapped, so that goes right out in front of the headline. I'm kinda jaded lately, so female journalists aren't high enough on my pity hierarchy to work me into a lather. Now, if she had been a developmentally disabled, blind, Jewish, HIV positive female journalist, that would have made my day, but the media let me down again. I feel so unmotivated.

7 Common sense would say that if one chose to travelling to a notoriously dangerous neighbourhood in a dangerous country, that necessary precautions would surely constitute more than just a translator - perhaps pay for armed body guards or an unmarked police escort or maybe just do the interview over the phone. Whatever the case, I hope she makes it out okay.

8 I read this article last night at blackfive: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/01/cnn_despicable_.html#comments note this reference: When we were doing offensive operations out here, we had 25 plus reporters from CNN, USA Today, the NY Times, Time Magazine, among others. Now that the bombs aren't dropping and the cities have been stabilized... we had 1 reporter here for the elections. She is from the Christian Science Monitor. He was talking about elections, around the Syrian border. might not be referring to the same, however.

9 These female terrorist sympathizers seem to be deadly for the males involved. The poor driver killed. It was also the Intelligence Agent that was killed trying to ransome the horrid Italian communist journalist Sgreana. Of course, the Italians have handled this very maturely by deciding to charge the American soldier at the checkpoint instead of the cavalier communist whose antics led to the agent's death. If the journalist does not issue a sympathetic statement on behalf of her misunderstood captors, I apologize for being too harsh.

10 She's American, not a communist European. The four peacekeepers are probably dead but I could be wrong.

11 And yes, apparently she didn't get the "GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ" memo. We'll being seeing her in a hostage video in a few days. She's an American so she will be held for some political demand.

12 She may be as anti-American as can be, but just the fact that she is American will probably get her killed. I hope she makes it out OK, but like I've said before, anyone walking around that country without a belt-fed machine gun pretty much deserves to be kidnapped simply out of principle. Darwin at work maybe?

13 Does anyone know the name of the translator who was murdered?

14 The Christian Science Monitor says his name is Allan Enwiyah; other sources say he is Alan John Ghazi.

15 Shes crazy tring to make a report, while in middle of a battle zone! but she'll be missed when her deadline expires & gets killed. I wonder if they're going to have a video of her execution like they do the other american or other hostages?

16 Now is the time to Pray, Pray, Pray!

17 It is time to Pray but also time to understand that what She did was for the common good and that should be for both American and Iraqi people! And as the people for common good I apeal to the hearts of those who have her. Please free her she is full of love and grace you can see it her face!

18 She is anti-American, she deserves it!!!